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Benet Academy[edit]

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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to eventually nominate it for FA. This article has already had a peer review and recently passed GA. I would appreciate suggestions on how to make it more comprehensive and how to improve the prose.

Thanks, Benny the mascot (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry this is taking me so long - will review in the next 24 hours. Sorry, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

No need to rush...I have other ways of keeping myself busy. :) Good luck on your FAC, by the way. Benny the mascot (talk) 03:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for being so understanding - this looks pretty good to me, so here are some mostly nit-picky suggestions for improvement.

  • One thing that is sometimes hard to do is to provide context to the reader about things the author is familiar with. I am fairly familiar with the Chicago area, but was not that sure where Lisle was. A brief description would help (x miles west of the Loop / downtown Chicago) or a map with a dot would help too.
  • I also was confused by mentions of the college, but no real resolution on what happened to it - it took me a little searching here, but I assume it is what is now known as Benedictine University in Lisle. The article mentions the university as the site of buildings The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[20] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[12], and in terms of a scholarship at the academy, but I think it needs to explicitly say what happened to the college after the academy split. I realize that this article on the Academy, so it need not be a lot of detail, but some is needed.
  • The map is nice, but I am guessing the Census does not show buildings (only streets and water), so the source for those needs to be given explicitly - this will be checked at FAC.
    • I've already provided sourcing on the Commons page. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The capitalization of College and Academy by themselves seems a bit odd, though it is done consistently as far as I can tell. The Wikipedia:MOS#Institutions says if it is the generic word (college, academy) by itself it should not be capitalized.
    • I fixed the ones I could find. Let me know if I missed any. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The lead just seems sparse to me - especially the second and third paragraphs. My rule of thumb is to make sure every header is in the lead somehow - are Demographics and the Christmas Drive there?
    • I mentioned the Christmas Drive a little bit, but the Demographics section is already somewhat covered in the lead. ("Benet's average ACT test score has exceeded statewide and national averages, and more than 99 percent of students have gone on to college after graduation")
  • The language is decent but I noticed a few rough spots reading - I will try and come back and point some more out soon, here is one to start
    • Classes began on March 2, when Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street for four months. FOur months in one day? Wow that's concentrated teaching! Perhaps Classes began on March 2, and for the next four months Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street. would be better. I am also not sure students can be remedial - I thought classes were? Could be wrong
      • Sentence replaced with a small revision regarding the usage of "remedial". Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback! Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
More from Ruhrfisch

I will try to point out language that needs work here, as well as any other issues that I notice

  • Lead It was founded in 1887 as the all-boys St. Procopius College and Academy by Benedictine monks in Chicago, who also operated the St. Joseph Bohemian Orphanage, which along with St. Procopius later moved to Lisle, approximately 25 miles (40 km) west of Chicago.[6] Could this sentence be split into two? As it is now it is quite long and complex - I would start the new sentence after the word orphanage. Also could the year(s) for the move(s) to Lisle be added to provide context?
  • Capitalization of college? The orphanage closed in 1956 to make room for St. Procopius Academy, which then separated from the College in 1957. (In Internet Explorer you can search for a word and it highlights all the matching terms in yellow - might be worth checking caps on college and academy this way)
  • Tweak sentence Sacred Heart merged with St. Procopius Academy in 1967 on the St. Procopius campus to establish Benet Academy [on the St. Procopius campus].
  • Also, any idea where the name "Benet" came from? a ha - here it says Benet is an English form of Benedict
  • Unclear Benet's performing arts program stages multiple musicals ... I think it would be clearer to say Benet's performing arts program stages a musical annually... perhaps saying since when
  • Need to be consistent on names - in the text it is "Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict..." but the image caption is just "Abbot Nepomucene Jaeger" (no John). I also wonder since St John of Nepomuk is not well known in the US, if a link would be in order?
  • Suggested reoganization Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict was the pastor of the parish[.] , which served approximately 16,000 to 20,000 parishioners. Chicago at that time had the largest Czech population of any other city in the world outside of Prague and Vienna. Roughly 50,000 Czech immigrants were served by the three Czech parishes of Chicago, which included [16,000 to 20,000 parishioners at] St. Procopius.
  • The source says they were teaching high school classes then, so I would clarify that in Only a two-year [high school] program was offered at the time; the college offered its first four-year high school program in 1904.[9]
  • Might flow more smoothly as The first Bohemian abbot in the United States, Abbot Jaeger[, the first Bohemian abbot in the United States,] founded a Bohemian monastic community in 1894...
  • What does better atmosphere mean? The college and academy continued to grow in Chicago; in 1896 the Abbey bought the 104-acre (42 ha) Morris Neff farm in Lisle to gain more space and a better atmosphere.[9] Cleaner air than in the city?
  • Since I am assuming that the present Benedictine University still is on the site because they are the re-named St Procopius College, I think that needs to be made clearer in this: The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[21] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[13]
  • OK I am stopping the rough spots here. I think this would benefit from a copy edit before FAC. There are a few other things I noticed:
  • What makes Remembering Lisle a reliable source? See WP:RS
  • The alt text for the mascot should desribe it as a bird, not a redwing (there might be those who think of the Detroit Redwings or even Red Wing Shoes

Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 00:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice! I've fixed most of the issues you've brought up; I just need to get that copyedit completed. Benny the mascot (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Campus Threads[edit]

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Non-notable store. DMacks (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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Joseph Spiess Company[edit]

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This company has been out of business for 20 years. Even when it was around, it was not known outside of the western suburbs of Chicago. There are few sources for the information and the article is not linked anywhere. I do not believe it is notable enough for an article and it should be deleted. Bbob221 (talk) 16:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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  • Prominent coverage of one store's demolition here, with a more local article on the site here . Some local small press book coverage here. I agree there isn't much. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete, I rarely heard of this store when it was open and I live in the area. I was surprised to see it had a wikipedia article. No one I've talked to knows of this store. And the article has uncited information. It needs to be deleted. -- NBA2020 (talk) 19:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete all the coverage seems to be local. If there are any articles about this company from out of state, then I might support a WP:GNG.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete as expected, everything is only trivially localized and there's nothing actually convincingly better. Certainly nothing to suggest new now because the company is closed. SwisterTwister talk 18:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Kevin Burns (Illinois mayor)[edit]

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He is not notable enough of a politician to get his own article. There is a lack of sources in most of the article. It contains much outdated information. Needs to be deleted Bbob221 (talk) 16:24, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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  • Delete mayors of places with under 25,000 people are almost never notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:49, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep, per WP:BIO "Major local political figures who receive (or received) significant press coverage". Large amount of mentions / coverage in the Chicago Tribune[2]. He has been mayor of an Illinois county seat for over a decade, with coverage as a US Congressional primary candidate as well. --Dual Freq (talk) 12:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete, I agree he is not notable enough. I live in the area where he is Mayor and he has not held a higher office than Mayor of Geneva. Yes, he has run for higher office, but was unsuccessful. I don't think he plans to run for higher office anytime soon. Plus, Geneva has less than 25,000 people. Both St. Charles and Batavia (neighboring towns) have populations bigger than that, but their Mayors don't have articles. Finally, a lot of the information is outdated and unsourced. I agree this article needs to go. -- NBA2020 (talk) 19:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • A population of 21K is not large enough to get a mayor over WP:NPOL #3 just because he exists. If there were a genuinely sizable volume of sourcing here, then things might be different — but of the four sources here, three of them are to his local community weekly newspaper (a source that's not widely distributed enough to get him over WP:GNG all by itself), and the only one that's in a major daily newspaper is just supporting the names of his kids, rather than any substantive content that would have anything to do with making him belong in an encyclopedia, and doesn't appear from its title ("Mayors pick their spots for quiet, communing") to have all that much else to offer. And having been a candidate in a congressional primary doesn't assist his notability, either — a person does not get over NPOL by being a candidate for office (or by being a candidate in a primary), but only by winning the election and thereby holding office. So that counts for nothing, and we can evaluate this only by virtue of the office he did hold — and the office he did hold is not one that gets him into Wikipedia if the sourcing for it is this weak. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Mammoth Springs, Illinois[edit]

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Hoax. Supposed USGS cite is actually about Flowerfield, Illinois. Fits this user's pattern. Smartyllama (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Same pattern as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertha, Florida. Start with real populated place (GNIS 1771854) and build a hoax on top of it. • Gene93k (talk) 19:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep real page, just removed the unverified crap, which anyone could have done. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete instead as the lay of the land still suggests this user is making noticeably questionable articles, best deleted if there's still the factual questionability. SwisterTwister talk 07:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete Even with the unverified stuff gone, this doesn't look like an unincorporated community - GNIS doesn't explicitly indicate it is, just that it was a populated place (based on a source from 1901), and the coordinates place it on top of Oakbrook Center. This source claims it was the site of a spring, but not a community or populated place, so this may just be a GNIS misclassification. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 12:37, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep - Government-recognized populated place, based upon THIS. Carrite (talk) 17:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Merge or Redirect into Fullersburg, Illinois; otherwise, Weak Keep and maybe rename to "Mammoth Springs (Illinois)" because it's more about a spring than a settlement: Part of the Bnnnperdue mess; this looks like it might have a chance at WP:GNG but I haven't found enough significant coverage to prove it, just a paragraph or so here and there. It appears to be mainly a (former) water spring, apparently owned by a single property owner, more than an actual settlement or community; I've only found one mention of a student in 4-H supposedly living in "Mammonth Springs, Illinois". This is a site in the area that, at that time, was called Brush Hill or Fullersburg, and is what "Spring Road" is named after. It's mentioned in passing in a few sources:
    • Chapek, Etta Susan, Oak Brook  in Thompson, Richard A. (1985). DuPage Roots. DuPage County Historical Society. Retrieved 2016-07-04. : "It was the Talmadge Family that is said to have been rudely awakened one night by the sudden eruption of a mammoth spring on their farm. The great volume of water was later harnessed and provided many homes in the Oak Brook/ Elmhurst area with running water for almost a generation before its depletion. It also contri­buted to the success of the Mammoth Spring Ice Company, established on the south bank of Salt Creek at Washington Street by the Ruchty family." The 1874 Atlas & History of DuPage County, Illinois map on the same web page shows the location, but not named: It's on the northwest side of the property marked "G.H. Talmadge" in section 23, about where the DoubleTree Hotel is now. (The adjacent "R. Reed" property is now Oakbrook Center shopping mall, the OfficeMax/shopping center across 16th Street, and some part of Oakbrook Terrace on the other side of the Kingery Highway.)
    • Bulletin of the Illinois State Geological Survey (1939), Issue 65, Part 1, p. 34 also known as Geology of the Chicago Region: Part I. General; Part II. The Pleistocene, Issue 65, Parts 1-2, but it's only a snippet view on Google Books. The same paragraph exists in 1 or 2 other issues of the Bulletin. The paragraph is: "The largest spring in the Chicago region is three miles south of Elmhurst and 3 1/2 miles north of Hinsdale, on Spring Road just west of Salt Creek (Hinsdale quadrangle). It is almost in the center of section 23, T. 39 N., R. 11 E. Its unusual size seems due to subdrainage from an abandoned part of the creek valley west of the present route. The old valley contains basin-fill which is saturated to the surface. Elmhurst secured its municipal water supply from this spring until the population of the own exceeded 5,000. On the Chicago Folio map (1902) it is called Mammoth Springs, but the new map, though showing it, gives it no name."
    • There's a photograph of the Mammoth Springs Ice Company's operation in Hinsdale by Sandra Bennett Williams (2013), p. 19), but no other mention of it as a location; it's unclear from the photo whether the ice is actually taken at Mammoth Springs or they just used the nearby name for their company further south.
    A reminder that a GNIS entry is not an indication of legal status, therefore not WP:GEOLAND on its own, and this is not even a census-designated place, and maybe not even be what someone would call a settlement. --Closeapple (talk) 21:51, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Note for closing admin: If this ends in merge/redirect, since I rewrote the article as a two-sentence summary stub, I can just copy-paste my own sentences into Fullersburg, Illinois (or whatever other target) under my own username so I show as the author in the page history and we don't have to "preserve attribution" from this article page. --Closeapple (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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  • Merge but I'm ok with deletion too. I concur with Closeapple that a GNIS entry is insufficient to pass WP:GEOLAND. This place isn't a place by any terms of WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND. Ok, there was a spring. We can verify that, and that it had an impact on the local population. But, there's nothing that supports the idea, in any official way, that this was any sort of town, village, settlement, what have you. Information about the spring can be verified and merged. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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  • Merge per Hammersoft. Doesn't seem like a real place. Prevan (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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