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Archived discussion for November 2007 from Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.

November 30

  • The Clinton story blurb needs to be changed to campaign office and not headquarters. The office in question is a sattellite office and not the headquarters. Grant.alpaugh 21:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Changed. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be a minor change to make it more clear that the teddy bear was named Muhammad. Also the teacher's name doesn't need to be in the headline, as teacher could just as easily link to her article. Grant.alpaugh 17:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Neither relevant article describes the teacher in question as an ex-employee of the school: I have seen no comment that suggests that the school has withdrawn support from her, and most importantly, at the time of the naming, she was a teacher at that school. Why then has the headline been changed to read "a former Unity High School teacher"? If she has been dismissed by the school, it should be in one or other of the articles. Kevin McE 13:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Given that she is being deported, I think its safe to call her former as you wont be teaching there anymore. However, I do agree that the word former is not nessisary in the ITN blub and should be removed as it does tend to suggest she was either dismissed or quit (neither of which is true). Russeasby 16:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
She's now been pardoned and released [1]. Hammer Raccoon 16:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Updated. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

November 29

Pervez Musharraf
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The Peninsula Manila.
--Howard the Duck 08:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that's an amazingly large article for a brand new event. Modified for verb tense and posted. The image doesn't look like much of anything, especially if you don't already know that The Peninsula Manila is a hotel, but we may be forced to use it when Sharif gets rotated off. Thanks, BanyanTree 08:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I myself was even surprised, they made it in like 2 hours... --Howard the Duck 08:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Update: Change siege to assault as the government soldiers started to assault the hotel and those inside. --Howard the Duck 08:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Updated. Note that the suggested image of Trillanes is non-free fair use and will not be used on the Main Page. - BanyanTree 10:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

November 28

I'm not quite sure though whether to note this fully yet, as not all of the votes have been fully counted and the final results are still far away, especially due to the fact that elections will be repeated in several locations. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
In a number of prior cases, I suggested waiting until 100% of the votes had been counted. But 99.93% of votes in Croatia and 95.85% of votes from abroad having been counted is close enough. I endorse putting this up, and suggest: "The Croatian Democratic Union retains a plurality in the Parliament of Croatia." We don't know what the future, the cabinet formation, holds, so we shouldn't speculate on that. AecisBrievenbus 23:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 00:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Considering that the greatest winner of the election is SDP, I'd insist on actually including them in the news as well. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a suggested wording? Admins look for clearly worded suggestions that are backed up the article and reliable external sources. You can safely assume that admins are completely ignorant about that actual topic. - BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I have - presented it in the very first line. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Aecis rightly notes above that ITN items avoid speculation. Beyond the very minor issues of verb tense, the major issue is that you yourself expressed uncertainty about the merits of the blurb. Suggestions that ask posting admins to make decisions about content, as well as the complicated enough issues of ITN-worthiness (note the kerfuffle above), tend to fall through the cracks. Aecis suggested a blurb stripped of speculation as well as a clear statement on why it was worded the way it was and his suggestion was put up. Note that the point is moot as we are well past the period of "timely interest". BanyanTree 01:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

November 27

Is this really eligible? Very short, still market as a stub, hardly of international interest. Please, don't put items only on your own initiative. --Camptown (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
First of all, this article is concise, not "short", and is still marked as a stub since it will be expanded substantially within the coming days. Is it of less international interest than the 2007 Writers Guild of America strike? This protest has so far been much more intense than the 2005 civil unrest in France, which was featured on ITN prominently in 2005. Are you objecting that I added an article that I created myself? If so, say so please. I was not aware that there was a rule on ITN that states you cannot add articles you have updated personally. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 22:00
I am objecting to the posting of items that have not been reviewed. And Jacoplane who started, "nominated", and posted it right away should know better. --Camptown (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I posted this article hours after I started it. If any other admin feels it should be removed, I will not wheelwar with them. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 23:04
Well, you've hardly posted it "hours", but just it a little more than 2 hours after your self-nomination on this page; and by then - it should be pointed out - there was no reaction in relation to your nomination. I'm certainly not against self-nominations, but why do you think that this particular news item is of such importance that even expected expansion of the article will excuse the stub from reaching the frontpage? --Camptown (talk) 12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The ITN system is dependent on trust - and that the admins follow the basic rules. As admin Jacoplane has abused his admin credentials, I'd expect him to remove the article from the mainpage and return it for further consideration here. Bondkaka (talk) 09:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I wish to comment on the underlying assumptions in some of the above comments, while avoiding actually joining the argument. This page is not a review, but a centralized location where non-admins can suggest items to be posted. Suggestions are not subject to majority approval or consensus, which both require time and are therefore counterproductive to the whole "timely update" aspect, but are rather posted by any admin who feels they are a good candidate. (This is precisely why occasional admin catfights on ITN are expected and even necessary as items are re-evaluated by other admins.) For much of the history of this page, there was very little activity here and admins were often obliged to search for updated articles, including by doing their updates. I've lost track of the number of articles I've updated and posted directly to ITN, only rarely putting items up here when I felt that there might be a question of notability or update quality needing a second opinion. There is no absolute requirement to post items to the candidates page before updating ITN. - BanyanTree 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I think this is definitely notable and of international interest. This is not a unique event, and it's certainly not confined to Paris or France. Recent riots in Amsterdam were dubbed "Parijse toestanden" (Parisian situations), to give just one example. AecisBrievenbus 22:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


I support this. One of the biggest stars of America's most popular sport being murdered seems notable enough. Plus it is on the front page of BBC Sport. ---CWY2190TC 12:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Screw BBC Sport, it's on BBC News. However I'm concerned about the "notable within his field of expertise" criteria since he's not that well known (the Skins aren't playoff contenders during the past seasons except on 2005 when they made it to the playoffs barely and shocked TB in the Divisionals). --Howard the Duck 13:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
He's fairly well known. Most NFL fan fans would know who he is but he only played in the league for 4 years. just because his team airn't that good doesn't make his non-notable. Buc (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
After reading his articles, you're right, "most NFL fans" know him, while most American football may not. He barely made it to the Pro Bowl, now if it's LT, Favre or the two Mannings died spectacularly then that's ITN material. --Howard the Duck 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't see how this could pass the same criteria that Antonio Puerta's death failed on (see Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates/August 2007). Hammer Raccoon (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. For me, this is the most apt comparison to Taylor's death. If Puerta didn't make the cut, I don't see how Taylor should. Grant.alpaugh 11:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I, personally, will not post this. Sean Taylor was notable within football, but he was far from the peak of his field. If Peyton Manning or LT or Favre died, then sure, but not a one-time Pro Bowl safety who nobody who doesn't follow football would have ever heard of before. Also, this hasn't been posted on Portal:Current events, but I wouldn't put it on ITN, anyway. -- Mike (Kicking222) 20:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Support posting posting, he was well known amongst NFL and NCF fans. His shooting was definitely unexpected and tragic. ~Sasha Callahan (Talk) 21:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
And I don't think that if Lawrence Taylor died, that would be ITN-worthy. He's been retired for at least 15 years now. ~Sasha Callahan (Talk) 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Mike was making a reference to LaDainian Tomlinson rather that the the original LT. That said, this is very marginal because while Taylor was probably not very well know to the general non-American football fan. That said, he was notable to those who would've been interested in knowing about him, and was one of the better players in his posistion, so i suppose you might consider him an expert in playing free safety, and it is getting considerable coverage on non-sports news sites, so i'll support this. Thethinredline (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Plus he was well known for off the field actions. Steve Irwin was on the MP when he died (I think) and wouldn't say he's anymore notable. Support. Buc (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
While this is largely irrelevant, and has no bearing on the Sean Taylor nomination, i would argue that Steve Irwin was 'more' notable that Sean Taylor. I mean he had a TV show (which was probably seen in more countries than American football), starred in a movie about himself, appeared on a lot of talk shows and the Prime Minister of Australia even commented to the media about his untimely death. Sorry about this rather weird tangent i've gone off on Thethinredline (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
No, that was a legit tangent. I'm a huge football fan, and I never liked Steve Irwin, but these people can't be compared. Taylor is someone who, until today, not a single person who didn't follow football was aware of, whereas Irwin was, undoubtedly, the single most notable person in his field (at least, right up there with the Goodall). I understand everyone's points, but I still personally don't think he is even close to the threshold for being placed on ITN, and I'm not going to do it. -- Mike (Kicking222) 23:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
A more appropriate comparison might be Bob Woolmer, whose unexpected death was featured. Although I get the impression that Taylor was somewhat less significant in his field than Woolmer. ReadingOldBoy (talk) 08:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

November 26

The current ITN item is outdated - the storm veered away from Bicol and instead hit the Northern Luzon. --Howard the Duck 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Updated and moved up in the column. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Nawaz Sharif
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't really know how to word it. Heres some sources [2][3]--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 18:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ITN doesn't cover events that have not happened, or at least already begun. To make sure that is covered, please return and post a suggestion once it has started. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It will begin today. I endorse adding: "United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert convene at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland." AecisBrievenbus 12:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

November 25

The MS Explorer
The MS Explorer
  • At last there appears to be two PD image of the Explorer! --Camptown (talk) 11:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
They aren't quite PD, but they are certainly Free. I can provide others if desired; it's mostly a matter of me sorting through several thousand photographs in order to find them. --Constantine (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, the images don't need to be PD. All free images (PD, GFDL, CC) are OK on the front page. --Camptown (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for suggesting the pics. Definitely something to think about when the incoming AussiePM's pic gets stale. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Do any free images of the ship listing in the ice from the crash exist that we can use? • Lawrence Cohen 21:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Probably not, unfortunately. It might be possible to find some later, as there were likely a number of pictures taken from the other ships, but it will take a while for those to start appearing. --Constantine (talk) 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I should note that there are now two more pictures of the Explorer on Commons, but both are from two years ago. They are closer and thus may be more suitable for smaller sizes, however. --Constantine (talk) 05:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
There is now an image of the ship listing that has an explanation for why it is in the public domain, due to it being from the Chilean Air Force. I don't know the details of this argument, and there seems to be a slow debate in Commons in the template's talk page as to whether the claim is valid in general, but it possible that the picture would be acceptable. --Constantine (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Nice find! Where is the debate there? I didn't see anything linked here. If that is a fine image I'd say replace the Australian with that. • Lawrence Cohen 07:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Problems: (1) Need to verify that it came from the Chilean Air Force (a URL to the original source would do) (2) Doesn't really fit with rules at the top of Commons:Template talk:PD-Chile. --74.14.18.193 (talk) 16:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Hagibis to re-enter Southern Luzon, Philippines in the onslought of Typhoon Mitag in Northern Luzon, Tuesday or Wednesday. ABS-CBN News
  • Two typhoons to batter Northern and Southern Philippines simultaneously in the following days. ABS-CBN News
    See the format for suggestions above. This is not Portal:Current events. - BanyanTree 08:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a common and expected pre-election procedure. Saakashvili, if he wins, will get his job back. Is Nino Burjanadze the first female head of state in Georgia? I ain't sure if this temp job is significant enough. This is not a first time for her, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Well I'm not sure, I'm not Georgian and just think that new heads of state and government should go up on the ITN. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Nader al-Dahabi cites no references. Please add citations. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
This is the same as the above. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

November 24

  • Typhoon Mitag leaves the Bicol region with 6 deaths before traversing towards Aurora-Isabela Provinces Monday morning.
  • Typhoon Mitag changes course, expected to make landfall in Aurora-Isabela Provinces in the Philippines tomorrow packing maximum sustained winds of 175 km/h - 210 kp/h moving at 11 km/h NW as opposed to the previous forecast of landfall in the province of Catanduanes. Aurora and Isabela provincial governments were ordered to take immediate evacuation of residents in low-lying areas. Meanwhile, several families who evacuated in the Albay Province are now allowed to go back to their homes but nevertheless, PAGASA in a press release mentions that there is still a possibility that the typhoon may once again change its course. (04:32 GMT)[GMANews.TV]
Shouldn't this just fall under the currently posted article? Unless the course change or potential course change isn't hugely notable beforehand, probably not worth mentioning that aspect on the Main Page. • Lawrence Cohen 05:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to remove the ITN blurb about this for the meantime or change the blurb since the 200k evacuees returned already as the typhoon changed its course to bypass the Bicol Region and instead is currently heading into Aurora-Isabela border. --Howard the Duck 07:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone already put this in. It's also pretty significant, since he's most likely to lose his seat (being one of only two outgoing PMs to have done so) and also due to the fact that he's been the second-longest serving PM in our history. Oh, and don't forget that we'll need some sources:
John Howard concedes election defeat (ninemsn)
John Howard concedes defeat (smh.com.au)
ætərnal ðrAعon 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Rest assured, federal elections in Australia are notable enough for ITN :) AecisBrievenbus 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
BTW, it would be could if we have his picture in the news section too ætərnal ðrAعon 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted --Stephen 12:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please put one the images from Kevin Rudd in?

Thanks to whoever did put that pic. But just a heads-up, next to "More than 150 are killed by floodings in Papua New Guinea following Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba", the old "(pictured)" is still there. 122.99.82.107 (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

November 23

Posted. Thue | talk 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Big-time storm. --Howard the Duck 11:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thue | talk 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Source[4]--Issue61 (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no updated Wikipedia article to point to (yet), so the story doesn't qualify. Thue | talk 23:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

November 22

i support this; i was just gonna post it here but i see Djs91 has already. its pretty significant--Lendmevoice1 (talk) 01:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. The word "fail" implies an opinion as to the proper course of action, which I have attempted to avoid by choosing "refuse". Thanks, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted, in chronological order, as it seems that its inclusion just balances out the template with TFA. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
And...I've been reverted by someone who thinks that overall balancing of the Main Page columns is not done by DYK. Sorry, BanyanTree 06:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

November 21

In France, rail workers and Paris Métro personnel go on strike in a wave of public-sector strikes against planned pension reforms. --Camptown (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

This item was posted some days ago, but removed for being questioned for being to stubby. Since then, the article has been somewhat updated and as it covers an intersting phase in the recently elected Sarkozy government, it seems to meet the ITN criteria. --Camptown (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Its definitely interesting, but what is the international scope or impact of this? • Lawrence Cohen 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The very existence of this article is, IMHO, gross recentism. It is highly presumptuous to assume that this strike will have any greater significance than any number of previous industrial disputes in recent French history, and in times to come would probably be proportionately dealt with by one sentence in an article on French industrial relations. Does the existence of an ITN section precipitate articles of recentism? Kevin McE (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, ITN is an important thing, I think. But I don't think ITN feeds anything, really. As for this article, thats what I was getting at--work stoppages in France aren't a big deal. They happen all the time. If it was a major French airport in Paris it might be worth mentioning, if it caused travel in Europe to foul up, or something like that. This is on the scale of the bus drivers in Los Angeles stopping work or the London underground operators stopping. • Lawrence Cohen 17:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not just railway personnel that have gone on strike, teachers and some newspapers have gone on strike as well. But it's not just that: several TGV lines have been sabotaged, including IIRC the northern line to Brussels and the eastern line to Strasbourg and Germany. I think that's significant and international. AecisBrievenbus 11:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
See 2007-08 Australian region cyclone season#Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba. --Howard the Duck 03:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Endorse, 71 deaths in a cyclone is notable. And it would replace a cyclone (Sidr) with a cyclone (Guba), which won't harm the content balance of ITN. AecisBrievenbus 17:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Support as well for the Guba addition. • Lawrence Cohen 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted, with more than 150 deaths according to the article :( AecisBrievenbus 12:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
As it is likely that more information will be available over the next week with the relief efforts, the section on Guba is becoming too big to handle like this. So now I have split the section to its own article, Cyclone Guba, to make it easier to organise and expand more information. Could the main link in the news template please be changed? RaNdOm26 (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Fixed. AecisBrievenbus 15:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The actual text uses the word 'floodings', which my spell-checker, at least, says does not exist. Use 'flooding' or 'floods', please. Radagast (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

November 20

Major event, and the actual tpart of the article with the information is in the HM Revenue and Customs article

Support, link to newly created article here: 2007 UK child benefit data misplacement. Yorkshiresky (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Support in some form. I added the suggested link to the formulation. But I think the item should be reformulated to mention identity theft. Thue | talk 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I added something in with a link to identity theft --Hadseys (talkcontribs) 00:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I've also re-worded it from families into households, because family tends to indicate parents and children etc, when this may not be the case, it could be foster parents, adoptive children, etc. --Hadseys (talkcontribs) 02:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted, thanks --Stephen 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
International relevance? Grant.alpaugh (talk) 08:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
  • What international relevance does an explosion in the Ukraine have? --Hadseys (talkcontribs) 14:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not British, and I thought a problem of this size was interesting. I also was in my local news. So it probably has some international interest. Thue | talk 11:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I would think a massive data security leak which affects millions of people has relevance for the way data is stored in other countries. If nothing else gives them a chance to laugh at us bungling Brits. 15:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, just asking the question. I realize that data security and identity theft are international issues, just asking if on the surface it wasn't simply a British problem and not much more. I just thought it a fair point to ask, and I agree with you about the Ukraine article, that is dubious at best. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 00:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't find the strike notable before, but with more people joining I think they are. Random89 (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
See format for candidate suggestions above, in particular on links and emboldening. - BanyanTree 21:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry. I reworded it and wiki-linked it. Random89 (talk) 07:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Been off-wiki for a bit and just got back on this page. Sorry nobody responded sooner, but I have posted the most recent related suggestion above. Cheers, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

November 19

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 21:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 18

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change : Surprised no one mentioned this, suggest this as it's clearly global in nature:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases its fourth report on climate change indicating that Earth and humanity are now in permanent danger due to global warming.

Recommend this be added. • Lawrence Cohen 00:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I support the addition of this item.-gadfium 02:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Support. - Shudde talk 02:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 17

Please suggest items in the format suggested above, as well as making the required updates. - BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 15

Balibo Five

A New South Wales coroner concludes that a group of five journalists, known as the Balibo Five, were deliberately killed by Indonesian forces in 1975 in order to prevent them exposing Indonesia's 1975 invasion of East Timor. AAP via stuff.co.nz — Is of international importance because may mean war crime committed, Balibo Five included two Australians, two Britons and a New Zealander. - Shudde talk 03:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Note: I really do think this should be on the main page. It's a non-trivial and major event that is of international importance. Certainly compared to Barry Bonds anyhow. - Shudde talk 02:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I can support this being on ITN for at least a day or two before cyclying off. Its international in scope, enough. As for Barry Bonds, American baseball is very popular in more than just America (Japan, for example). Bonds is also arguably one of the Top 3 biggest names still in baseball, and for coverage in the past 2-3 years between the scandals and baseball records, scored as much of a quantity of coverage as Michael Jordan ever did in his heydey during the various years of the Chicago Bulls owning the NBA. Definitely noteworthy, on his entry. • Lawrence Cohen 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Barry Bonds shouldn't be up there, but I'm not sure this should either. Is this really news anywhere besides Australia and maybe Indonesia? —dgiestc 06:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Well it's about security forces from one country killing several foreign reporters while they invade another. It's entirely international, and non-trivial. It's certainly more significant then yet another chapter in the Barry Bonds and drugs saga. - Shudde talk 09:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
      • I didn't say it's nontrivial, but just because it involves two countries is a pretty weak justification as "international". Can you show "front page" level coverage in, say Europe or the U.S.? —dgiestc 17:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
        • Have you read the article? It involves Indonesia and East Timor, and the journalists were from Australia, New Zealand and Britain. That's five not two. - Shudde talk 22:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Barry Bonds

(Note to non-Americans: This is like David Beckham getting indicted.) -- Mwalcoff 00:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm on the fence about this one. Bonds plus investigations into steroid use is nothing new. Perhaps this should go up when a verdict is delivered. Hammer Raccoon 01:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
By the way, not that I doubt the significance of Bonds, but "top story everywhere" is a bit misleading. As of now, its (unsurprisingly) nowhere to be seen on BBC News. Hammer Raccoon 01:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
BBC World News right next to the story on Bhutto. SashaCall 01:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Come on, what's next, Britney Spears arrested for drunk driving, Michael Jackson for child molestation and Hayden Panettiere for saving the dolphins? LOL. Also, an admin may have to look to WP:ERRORS there's an error which is not fixed for a like a day already. --Howard the Duck 02:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
The indictments against Barry Bonds are related to the allegations of the use of anabolic steroids, so it's not completely irrelevant. AecisBrievenbus 02:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
But there's no final decision yet, it's only an indictment, it's like spring training to put it on baseball terms (trial - regular season, sentencing - postseason), and in sports, we only post the final result. The Hayden Panettiere save the dolphins issue is more "international" than this, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 02:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
But one of the top stories in CNN, BBC, Fox News, etc This is a Secret account 04:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
ITN is not Wikinews, CNN or the Beeb. --Howard the Duck 05:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be noted that the charges are in connection with the BALCo investigation. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 17:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont think this should be on ITN, if we cant have something as big and worldwide as the start of a major sporting world cup, we shouldnt have something like this in there. -- Cstubbies (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the blurb mention which country this is happening in? Anyway, just to sum up, it appears that the significance of this story is that somebody (who is very famous in one country) has been accused of committing a not particularly serious crime. I really can't see the importance of this. Bistromathic (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Um, federal charges of perjury and obstruction of justice are quite a serious matter. Bonds could theoretically go to prison for years. Anyway, to understand the significance of the Bonds matter, you have to understand the iconic nature of baseball in America and the career home run record in particular. This is not your everyday story of a celebrity getting in trouble with the law. The steroids saga has a particular resonance in American culture, just like the Black Sox Scandal in 1920. That said, I'm glad it's been placed under the story of the cyclone.-- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Cyclone Sidr

Over 1,000 fishermen are missing and mass evacuations are taking place in coastal regions of Bangladesh as Cyclone Sidr approaches with winds in excess of 130 kt. Yorkshiresky 20:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Support listing Cyclone Sidr but it will likely have effects far beyond just fishermen and I believe the wind speed should be given in kph. —dgiestc 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
    Cyclone Sidr makes landfall with wind speeds up to 240 kph in the Sunderbans of Bangladesh following massive evacuations.
    Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
    I propose it mention that the cyclone killed over 1000 people, and remove the evacuation notice. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
    Updated. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

November 14

This is of less clear ITN-worthiness and LGBT rights in Nicaragua doesn't offer any context on what happened between 1994 and 2007 to cause the change. Please post here again if the article is expanded. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Others went over it and added English-language news source. It would be really great if en.wikipedia.org spread the news of this positive example to the backwards countries. 212.23.126.20 (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • A magnitude 7,7 earthquake near the Chilean town of Antofagasta rocks northern Chile, causing widespread damage and power outages, and disrupting copper production. Two deaths have been confirmed, and at least 117 are injured. Andreas Willow 23:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted, with formatting changes. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Anders Fogh Rasmussen
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 09:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

High speed one to be posted on ITN? Seems good, as its taken just over 10 years, and it is finally here! ACBestDog and Bone 21:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

November 13

Well, all explosions that kill someone gets posted so might as well suggest this. --Howard the Duck 14:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
If there are articles, that is. Nearly 400,000 Congolese forced from their homes in fighting directly related to the 1994 Rwandan Genocide this year alone and we've managed to get a decent update in time for ITN once. Enough of my soapboxing... Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

November 12

Article is light, unmoved, and this may be recentism --Stephen 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Supporters of Hamas and Fatah have clashed on the Gaza Strip, during commemorations of Yasser Arafat's death three years ago. There doesn't appear to be an article about this though. AecisBrievenbus 19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Then we're missing a fundamental prerequisite for ITN. --Stephen 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

November 11

I have written a more complete article about the election, so it should probably be bolded as the main link, and it would be nice if we can link to both candidates. I would suggest something like:
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 10

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 9

Definitely interesting enough... is this product global or just mainly in Australia? • Lawrence Cohen 03:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Australia, North America, and other are catching up. One of the article refs states it's distributed to 40 countries, I think. The article was created as a result of the recall. The only catch is that it's Bindeez in Australia and Aqua Dots in the US, hence my referral to it as a "children's toy", rather than the proper name. Invites a click to find out more if nothing else! --Stephen 04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Does not seem to have international impact for ITN, though its certainly interesting. Probably a good candidate for DYK though. Russeasby 03:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe two of the victims were in the US. And the toys were made in China. SashaCall 05:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe this has international impact: the toys were produced in China and sold in at least two continents (Australia and North America). Add to that a wave of recent recalls of Chinese products, like the pet food scare, for instance, which was posted on ITN. I support putting this up. AecisBrievenbus 12:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted, now internationalism is confirmed --Stephen 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

November 7

Space Shuttle Discovery landing at the end of STS-120
I don't see any info in the article about a state of emergency, though I admittedly used a quick text search, so will go with TheFEARgod's suggestion. Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
BBC article reporting on the state of emergency. I suggest ITN is updated to reflect this. Hammer Raccoon 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • One high school student is confirmed dead and six others are feared killed in a school shooting in Finland. Prolog 15:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • No comments but requests elsewhere, so I posted an updated version myself. Prolog 16:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This article puts the death toll at eight. Hammer Raccoon 16:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Updated as I made that edit. Hammer Raccoon 16:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Eurostar
Certainly, traffic starts November 14, replacing the Eurostar terminus at Waterloo station, but the inaugeration seems more notable than the actual shift in the time table. --Camptown 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 00:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

November 6

Avenida Méndez, Villahermosa, Mexico
  • Flooding in Mexico has displaced at least 200,000 people and at least 70 people are missing.
Suggested by Johntex\talk 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Please format suggested ITN hooks for standard verb tense and with an emboldened item in the future. There is a crop of that image that would work I think - just above the guy's head to get the boat and flooded street - but I can't do it myself at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion, BanyanTree 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for posting this and thanks for the format tips. Johntex\talk 14:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Mexico's a big place. Could we reword this to 'Flooding in the Mexican states of Tabasco and Chiapas...'? Aille 14:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Done. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Is there any precedent for posting strike actions on ITN? I feel there should at least be a discussion on this particular one. Hammer Raccoon 20:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
It looks like a good item to me. Johntex\talk 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
See the talk page Nil Einne 05:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Its a small nation, but still a current event of international importance. This is my first ITN suggestion, feel free to reformat, I am no writer. Russeasby 15:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

November 5

The results table at Template:Guatemalan presidential election, 2007 hasn't been fully updated though, and more importantly, doesn't seem to be consistent with [6]. AecisBrievenbus 12:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Seems updated now [7]. Time to post it? --Camptown 14:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. Is there a free (PD) pic of Colom ? --PFHLai 15:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Commons:Image:Colom1.jpg (right). --199.71.174.100 20:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the pic. I've just posted a cropped version. --PFHLai 15:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

November 3

Proposed. Not quite sure what part should be in bold. EconomicsGuy 13:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2

Fourth highest position in the most populous country in Africa, and the Etteh story has basically paralyzed West African news for weeks. A lot of international observers paid more attention to this then they would the normal changing of a House of Representatives speaker because it was seen as indicative of whether the notoriously corrupt Nigerian political establishment had the will to boot one of its own. Some people say it could signal a major turning point towards a less corrupt National Assembly. So, I think its of international importance; certainly as important as the Alberto Gonzales story, which was featured. Will add it if there are no objections shortly. Picaroon (t) 01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I oppose putting this up. The election of a Speaker is barely newsworthy, regardless of the circumstances, and the information about both the election of the new Speaker and the corruption case involving Etteh is minimal at best. Fourth highest position != highest position. AecisBrievenbus 01:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between this and Alberto Gonzales? Attorney General is far lower than fourth in the US, correct? Or do you just want me to write more in each of them? (This can be done.) Picaroon (t) 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
That means any controversy by the Captains Regent of San Marino has a chance, since after all, it's too far away from the U.S. --Howard the Duck 09:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
What a shame this story appears not to have made it. Aille 03:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Posted. You may want to update Political corruption in Nigeria as well as suggest that as the bolded link. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, if there African news that should be posted it should be controversy about Chad and Europeans who "kidnapped" children. It's not even at the BBC News website - Africa section now (dunno about the previous days). --Howard the Duck 14:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Cerf's Up-marquee-20071031.jpg

International importance.

I disagree. What is notable about him happened 60+ years ago, his death is not notable. He was not a leading figure in his field of expertise, and his death was not unexpected, at age 92. He doesn't meet any of our criteria for recently deceased people. AecisBrievenbus 01:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The Mexican flooding should definitely be featured in ITN; it's as relevant and as important as the California fires we featured for days. • Lawrence Cohen 21:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
This should definitely be included, but are these floodings part of Hurricane Noel or not? If so, they should be mentioned in one blurb. AecisBrievenbus 22:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
From The Guardian article I quoted: "The flooding was not related to tropical storm Noel". Anyway how abut this for a blurb:
"More than a million people are affected by flooding in the Mexican state of Tabasco." Hammer Raccoon 03:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The reason I asked it is this BBC News article, which says: "The floods were triggered by storms that crippled Mexico's oil industry." Is there a Wikipedia article on those storms? I couldn't find anything on 2007 Atlantic hurricane season. BTW, the floodings have also affected the state of Chiapas. AecisBrievenbus 13:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

November 1

No, it's not. Something like an multi-time Olympic gold medalist having to give away their medals is ITN worthy. A random athlete retiring from a sport isn't all that big. --Plasma Twa 2 07:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
If she does return all of her trophies and prize money (not gonna happen) then it'll be ITN worthy. --Howard the Duck 09:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The reason I brought this up for consideration is that it 1) involves a notable tennis player (winning 5 grand slam singles titles, 9 grand slam doubles titles, 38 WTA Tour singles titles and 29 WTA Tour doubles titles is no mean feat); 2) involves a notable topic (doping in sport); 3) involves a highly notable tournament (Wimbledon). AecisBrievenbus 11:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps if Hingis had won Wimbledon... But she went out in the third round, and its not even as if cocaine is a performance-enhancing drug. Had this happened when Hingis was at her peak, then this would be sure-fire ITN material. As it is, she already retired once before, and she hasn't won a Grand Slam for eight years. Hammer Raccoon 15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
If Hingis was U.S. American then we wouldn't even be discussing about this here... --Howard the Duck 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
American athletes being busted for various drugs isn't exactly earth-shattering news, anymore. Sometimes its even slow-news-day fodder. • Lawrence Cohen 22:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)