Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 75
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reasoning -24.45.106.109 (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this page has not yet been deleted. Please see WP:PROD for the instructions for responding to a proposed deletion. Lectonar (talk) 07:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
insistent IT systems
reasoning -Irshad Alam Shaikh (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me why the page insistent IT systems was deleted? Irshad Alam Shaikh (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
- I've answered at my talkpage and offered to userfy it [1]. Acroterion (talk) 03:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Małolat
Article was deleted due to having insufficient references per the criteria for biographies of living persons. There are a plethora of accurate references from the Polish Wikipedia I will port upon undeletion as I continue my endeavor to translate the more popular Polish rappers' pages into English. -Bgmur (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Done. I have reset the PROD-blp's clock so that you have ten days to add references. JohnCD (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've added the appropriate references and removed the prod! -Bgmur (talk) 20:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Emery Emery
reasoning -Copprman (talk) 23:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Page was deleted with no discussion.
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning people. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning people will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. Lectonar (talk) 06:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Petr Cibulka, Czech politician.jpg
Cibulka is a fringe Czech politician (his party got 1% of votes for their best nationalwide election). He had a bio on his page (archive), photo and a disclaimer that anyone can use his materials. Everything was in Czech language. The photo survived 6 years until some zealous deleter, citing F11, deleted it recently. The photo was allowed to be used, is used elsewhere [2] and the information about permission was present on the description page. It wasn't any formal licence, his pages state on the bottom (in Czech): Whoever will, without our permission and without changes, diseminate our materials is our best friend!. I cannot imagine what restrictions one can see here. (If undeleted, please insert it back to Petr Cibulka, I edit here only occasionally and may miss it.) -Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done The bit that says "without changes" is not compatible with the freedom to make derivatives that we require. Remember Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit (including the pictures). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Andy_Laode_Abdul_Hasan
not enough reason to delete it while I am still working on the detail of the article -Dark star in ocean (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done - As announced at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Laode Abdul Hasan, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Mark Arsten (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Christopher du pont Roosevelt
significant public figure and grandson of FDR -75.250.125.31 (talk) 04:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. I will notify user Michael A. White (talk), who proposed it, and who may choose to nominate it at WP:Articles for deletion, which would start a debate lasting seven days to which you would be welcome to contribute. The article needs to show, with references, how he is notable in Wikipedia's sense in his own right; just being the grandson of a president is not enough. JohnCD (talk) 10:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Afghan_Hound_Academy
This is an informative website which is in concept and development stage coupled with a discussion group concerning afghan hound dogs and has recently been cited in Dog News USA as one of the most informative and respected Facebook discussion groups available. We are developing the website further. Academy is an on line educational resource using the Facebook API. The reason for the wiki page is to add this to the encylopedia due to its status as a very relevant touchpoint for people involved in afghan hound dogs from the American Kennel Club to over 1400 people globally who enter into debate on the breed. This was not entered for promotional reasons and is not simply a blog forum. The Academy is quickly becoming a very important touchpoint for these niche global community in the past months since its inception hence why I write this and say that this article should NOT be deleted and be reinstated. This was deleted by Smalljim within 10 minutes of being published. Thank you... -Josephleebrown (talk) 10:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning companies. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning companies will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Harold Jaffe
Hi guys ...
I am unaware of why the page was originally deleted. Harold Jaffe is a renouned author of international regard. He's published countless stories and 18 books that have been translated across nine languages. He is also the 30-year editor of Fiction International, which has been named one of the world's top literary magazines.
More information can be seen at the following websites:
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~hjaffe/bio.html (academic website) http://www.fictioninternational.com/ http://www.jaffeantijaffe.com/
Parenthetically, Jaffe is referenced numerous times throughout Wikipedia itself, including reference to his contributions to the literary form of bizarro fiction.
It seems appropriate that he should be included in WP.
Thanks.
--Madscribbler (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC) -Madscribbler (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. GB fan 19:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Jneiro Jarel
Reason it was deleted is inaccurate -Indigo84 (talk) 15:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
It states that certain content was removed from this page due to a "potential copyright issue". I'm not really sure which part of the article this specifies but, I am Jneiro Jarel's personal assistant and the original author of the material which has been removed. I created part of it as a promo statement for his 2010 release "Android Love Mayhem" (which has been re used in various online medias and publications); I am the original author, however. I also wrote the original content on this page which I recently made several edits to, in order to condense the topics of discussion. I planned on making several more edits and tweaks to this page, due to the fact that Jneiro's new album was just released on August 21st. This is all interfering with that process now. I read the section on possible solutions to this content removal but, quite honestly, it was like reading Chinese, lol. If it could be put to me (in simplified terms) what I need to do in order to have the content put back on the page, and to prevent things like this from happening in the future, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. :-)
- You will ahve to prove that you do indeed own the copyright to the text. One way to do this is to put a CC-BY-SA-3.0 license on the bottom on the copied pages (http://www.grooveattack.com/2005/01/20/features_103/ http://www.grooveattack.com/2010/09/10/jneiro-jarel/). And another ways is described at WP:PERMIT. You can state your case at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 August 22. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
smartshehar
reasoning Please userfy the page in my workspace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nakshatrasups/Smartshehar so that I can edit it -Nakshatrasups (talk) 08:00, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done Since you posted it 3 times already I suspect that you have a copy. You need to make this less promotional before it can appear on Wikipedia. Words like "you" cause this to have the wrong style. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Grassroots Shakespeare London
- Grassroots shakespeare london · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions] contribs) deleted page Grassroots shakespeare london (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content): Also WP:CSD#G11 - unambiguous promotion) The significance was explained. This is an award nominated company. It is significant that it was only established a year ago and has significant recognition on the London fringe scene. It has been recommended by the Evening Standard, which has a significant standing in the London community with a distribution of 700,00 and by Time Out, also a significant publication with significant weight. It is no more unambiguous promotion that the RSC having a page explaining who they are. This company is making a name for itself in London and while that might not seem signicant to someone with no knowledge or interest in the London theatre scene, it is of significance to Londoners and those interested in its theatre. This company has performed at the RSC and as part of the World Shakespeare Festival, which are significant accolades and significant venues. They have also been nominated twice for the significant Off West End Awards, all of which was linked and explained in the article. This is extremely significant in the London theatre scene. The person deleting the article did not request any further information which could have easily been supplied. They are no more insignificant than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Night_Out_Presents incidentally this theatre has closed down and this article is out of date. I would like this article to be reinstated. I am happy to edit it but it is worthy and significant enough to be included in Wikipedia}}
This page was deleted 23:55, 23 August 2012 Amatulic (talk -Stellagirl21 (talk) 00:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Userfied - the page has been restored to the userspace at user:Stellagirl21/Grassroots Shakespeare London . You may work on improving the article's assertion of notability at its new location, but please contact Amatulic (talk · contribs), the administrator who deleted the page, before moving it back to the article space. Please see the criteria for speedy deletion and the relevant notability guidelines - articles that are not in compliance will be deleted. --Tikiwont (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I received permission to post the image -Ephrayim (talk) 03:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done The file doesn't seem to have been uploaded yet. Please check Wikipedia:Uploading images, Wikipedia:Contact us/Permit and Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials as well as the links on your page.--Tikiwont (talk) 19:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Palm Beach Makos
reasoning -Steenster (talk) 15:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
How is it fair to delete the page of the "Palm Beach Makos" when the same type of minor league team the "Palm Beach Mariners" remain in Wikipedia.Our team provides a public service as a community based non-profit. Both college students and school age children have done reports on the team. We have been invited to judge presentations on the Makos by college students at Northwood University. The question has come-up on dozens of occasions as to why there was no info on Wikipedia on the Makos. The students did research via google, yahoo, and other search engines. The Mariners remain in Wiki and the Makos are deleted immendiately. The only different in the two teams is that the Mariners are managed by a 50 year old guy with no formal education whom lives with his mother. The Makos are managed by two African American retired Marines (combat veteran and disabled veteran) with post graduate degrees. This is a insult to our organization, our military service, and the military branches that support the Makos. Please restore the Makos page. Please call me to discuss I can be reached at [details removed]
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning companies. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning companies will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. GB fan 15:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: you do not help your case by attacking your rivals' manager, but it seems Palm Beach Mariners has also been deleted. I'm sure both teams are worthy organizations, but Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. JohnCD (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
SPA3102
reasoning -OmniNegro (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This article was deleted for some reason. The item is still being sold at Newegg and other sites. The item has not been replaced with another model, and is still being used by many people. I do not understand why the article was deleted. Cisco/Linksys still supports the device. Various VOIP providers support it.
If there is a real, legitimate reason for the deletion, can you please explain? I tried linking this to a friend for reference since I am trying to convince him to save money by switching to VOIP.
If nothing can be done to restore the page, is there a way I can get a copy of the old page before it is lost forever? I will host it myself if I must. I love the device and think something must have happened accidentally, or that a competing product is trying to bury the competition.
Thank you in advance for any replies.
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. Sent to AFD. GB fan 14:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
THC_(band)
grounds for deletion seemed not fully resonable given the topic. Also there are several articles referring to it. Even if some of the information in the article are doubtful there's no ground to delete it completely. If anything it should be pointed out what is not reliable -178.200.248.124 (talk) 04:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. Sent to AFD. GB fan 14:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Nandini Sahu
Please restore the article on my user page, so that I can more work on it. In my view there is mistake to delete the article, anyhow I would like to improve the article on my user page. Thanks. -Justice007 (talk) 07:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done - As announced at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nandini Sahu, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Joe Decker (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. GB fan 14:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Invisionix
This Open Source group has existed since 2003. Please do a Google history search. -IlonDalon (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Done as it was probably out of scope for A7 however I have put a prod on, so we need to you add some claim of importance, more than it started in 2003. Then you can justify contesting the prod. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Pie Magazine
This magazine is an international Canadian Publication and there is a great deal of evidence in regards to it's inclusion here including several new references and articles about the magazine. -99.231.210.199 (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Done A7 not quite appropriate for a magazine, should have had a prod instead if some one wants to. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Kingsley Uyi Idehen
I am an employee of the company Kingsley heads, but that is not my primary motivation for having this article restored, even if the content needs work (which I will readily grant). Here are several external links for reconsideration of Kingsley's notability, including news reports and industry publications:
- 2003 InfoWorld Innovator: Kingsley Idehen May 23, 2003 -- http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-management/2003-infoworld-innovator-kingsley-idehen-983
- Kingsley Idehen: a Short Biography March 12, 2004 -- http://seunosewa2.blogspot.com/2004/03/kingsley-idehen-short-biography.html
- A conversation with Kingsley Idehen about open source Virtuoso (Former URL: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/04/27.html#a1437) -- http://jonudell.net/udell/2006-04-27-a-conversation-with-kingsley-idehen-about-open-source-virtuoso.html
- LDOW2008 Posted on April 22, 2008 by Rob Styles -- http://dynamicorange.com/2008/04/22/ldow2008/
- Kingsley Idehen opens Linked Data Planet in New York City June 18, 2008 -- http://www.zdnet.com/blog/semantic-web/kingsley-idehen-opens-linked-data-planet-in-new-york-city/167
- Kingsley Idehen, CEO, OpenLink Software; RDFa and Structured Data; Jon Udell's Interviews with Innovators 49 minutes, 22.7mb, recorded 2009-09-02` -- http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail4233.html
- Talking with Kingsley Idehen about mastering your own search index Posted by Jon Udell September 9, 2009 -- http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/09/09/talking-with-kingsley-idehen-about-mastering-your-own-search-index/
- 7 questions to Kingsley Idehen: "By declaring its context, Linked Data can be made more easily reusable by others" 15 June 2010, by Tassilo Pellegrini -- http://www.semantic-web.at/news/7-questions-to-kingsley-idehen-x22-by-declaring-its-context-linked-data-can-be-made-more-e
- Open Linked Data, Serendipity, and the Future of Web interview by Danica Radovanovic, August 2, 2012 -- http://www.danicar.org/2012/08/02/open-linked-data-serendipity-and-the-future-of-web/
Thanks for your consideration. -MacTed (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Further -- this page went through a deletion and restoration in 2008 under its previous WikiWord (yeah, that's red, because the redirect targeting the new WikiWord was also deleted, but the history is still shown there), and thus this page was not eligible for PROD (see #4) at all! -MacTed (talk) 13:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest: please read and observe Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest. JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
homonegativity
requesting article to be e-mailed to me for review 'off-Wiki'. -Pekoebrew (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- This article has not been deleted, only redirected, so the previous content is still visible in the history. To see it, click on the title, when you will be taken to a section of Homophobia, but if you now scroll up to the head of that article, just beneath the title you will see (Redirected from Homonegativity) and clicking on that link will take you back to the redirect, when the "View History" tab will give you access to previous versions. JohnCD (talk) 13:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation John. --Pekoebrew (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Gary Shaw; Gary E. Shaw; Gary Edgar Shaw
This article was originally submitted with the assistance of my son GDShaw (Garan D. Shaw.) I then checked it for accuracy, making a few changes. My suspension as to why the article was deleted, is that I have led a Horatio Alger type life, which some people find unbelievable. Everything in this article is true. I came from a poor background to having worked for prominent persons such as US House Speaker Carl Albert, Hugo Mann (German Retailer/Industrialist), Jim Senegal (CEO of COSTCO), have had many accomplishments and and awards which are all a part of my biographical information. I can understand why my biography may seem by some to be a self promotion but I assure everyone that everything in the article was meant to be a biographical documentation of my life. In example, when I say that I have met and conversed with six presidents, is this a self promotion or a statement of one of my life's biographical experiences? I find it somewhat offensive that persons who have never met me , talked with me or have no first-hand knowledge of my life, label my biography as self-promotional. I respectfully request that this article be undeleted. Thank You, Gary Edgar Shaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.129.88.226 (talk) 23:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done. This article was deleted as a result of the deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Gary Shaw; Gary E. Shaw; Gary Edgar Shaw so, as stated at the top of this page, it will not be undeleted here. If you consider that the discussion was wrongly decided, or you have new information, you should first approach user Courcelles (talk), the administrator who closed the discussion; then, if your concerns are not addressed, you can go to WP:Deletion review. Please understand that having met or worked for notable people does not confer notability in Wikipedia's terms, and that writing about oneself or one's family in Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, for reasons explained at Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. JohnCD (talk) 08:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Cross generation ship
Never got a chance to address the suggested merge to the generation ship article; I'd like to have the article restored to my userspace and/or have a copy of the source emailed to me to see if there's anything worth salvaging. Thanks! -Wingman4l7 (talk) 01:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Done. Text of article emailed for your interest, but I don't see anything that could be merged because of complete lack of sources - it's all OR and speculation. JohnCD (talk) 08:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
4shared
The reason why I would like to keep this page available is because it may be helpful to some people, and may be of use to those individuals who utilize the page and others who may be interested about it but do know know many details about it nor how it works.
Which holds accurate content and dependable representation of itself, usability are closely intertwined, designing with accessibility in mind benefits everyone.
These links are references from the popular and trusted web sites, who wrote about 4shared or mentioned it. If you could please take a look, and reconsider to make the page available as it fits the criteria.
Thank you.
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,201643-order,4/description.html http://www.crunchbase.com/company/4shared http://www.pcworld.com/article/125729-7/store_it_on_the_web.html http://techie-buzz.com/press-releases/4shared-mobile-app-for-symbian-and-iphone.html http://comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2009/11/Brazilian_Internet_Properties_Attract_Large_Audiences_from_Around_the_World/(language)/eng-US http://privacy.truste.com/privacy-seal/New-It-Solutions-LTD-/validation?rid=b1a9e118-8fff-41a0-b6a4-5cb20219e036 http://www.businessinsider.com/4shared-free-music-streaming-app-for-android-2011-4 -Youngblood20 (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done - As announced at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4shared, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Courcelles (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. GB fan 17:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
The Foothills Paper
reasoning -76.87.73.64 (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC) 00:24, 31 August 2012 Explicit (talk | contribs) deleted page The Foothills Paper (Expired PROD, concern was: fails WP:Nno third party sources)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. GB fan 17:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Maria Redaelli-Granoli
Oldest living European, born 1899. Even a child could see the relevance. Also for many other supercentenarians there is an own article. -87.78.253.196 (talk) 08:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done this article has not been deleted it was redirected to another article. GB fan 16:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Watch Acheloos TV online
Live Steam Link to where people can watch the channel -Markysparky2012 (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done No page has been deleted. Your link to Acheloos TV has been removed as inappropriate as explained on your talk page. --Tikiwont (talk) 08:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Telejay
Legit Online TV streaming website -Markysparky2012 (talk) 00:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- It hasn't been deleted yet, but will be as soon as an admin sees it. Also why are adding exlinks to telejay's website to articles on all those other stations? Kilopi (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Trademark brand name. If you delete this one, please delete other trademark brands, as facebook, google, mercedes, levis, coca cola, mc donalds, etc. If posting a trademark brand is about money, just tell me how much you need to publish this, and others like this. -71.200.196.30 (talk) 03:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning companies. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning companies will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. --Tikiwont (talk) 08:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
File:Taklamakan desert sand dunes landsat 7.png
The file was deleted as a source was not provided. It is NASA WorldWind image. World Wind is a software by NASA which provides LANDSAT imagery of the globe. I do not think there would be any other reference to cite as the source of the image. -Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 04:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Raleigh Moncrief
Anthony Bradbury deleted the page because of A7 (No explanation of the subject's significance). But the musician has been "the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself" (WP:BAND). -124.85.228.201 (talk) 18:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Not done. The first thing to do in a case like this is discuss it with the deleting administrator. Someone else has already raised it with him - see User talk:Anthony Bradbury#Raleigh Moncrief and User talk:Chubbles#Raleigh Moncrief. If you have evidence of more non-trivial published comment, I suggest you provide links for Anthony Bradbury to assess; then, if he is not willing to restore the article and you still unhappy, you can take your concerns to WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Sources: XLR8R ([3]), Tiny Mix Tapes ([4]), Exclaim! ([5]), and CMJ ([6]). 124.102.108.5 (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- See User talk:Chubbles#Raleigh Moncrief and User talk:JohnCD#Raleigh Moncrief. If you want to take this further, the next step is WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 23:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sources: XLR8R ([3]), Tiny Mix Tapes ([4]), Exclaim! ([5]), and CMJ ([6]). 124.102.108.5 (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
ALLEN NEILSON RAGHU VARMA
references will be added in short period -ALLEN NEILSON RAGHU VARMA 11:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- This was deleted as no claim of importance, and also seems to have a large subtopic of "Simon chart". However if you place your multiple independent reliable and substantial references here I will reconsider. As it was the article was not in the style of an encyclopedia entry and so would need to be substantially rewritten. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- See also: TRIPLE MIND SIMON CHART, and User:TRIPLE MIND SIMON CHART, User:Anr varma, and and creator(s), and contribs by User:Kalainesan . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Christian Harrison
reasoning -Ksnow (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
01:52, 12 February 2011 Ron Ritzman (talk | contribs) deleted page Christian Harrison (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Harrison)
I request that this page be undeleted. It was originally deleted because of lack of notability. Now that Harrison has made the quarterfinals of the US Open in doubles, I think he is notable enough. Ksnow (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)Ksnow
Not done. This was deleted after a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Harrison so, as stated at the head of this page, it will not be undeleted here. First, ask the closing admin, Ron Ritzman (talk); then, if you are not satisfied, you can go to WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
The Quad Shopping Center
Found a few sources but too tired to add them right now. Can someone at least undelete the article and throw it in my userspace so I can fix it up later? -Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Done to User:TenPoundHammer/The Quad Shopping Center. Check with King of Hearts (talk), the closing admin, before you return it to the main space. JohnCD (talk) 15:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
celebrationmultimedia
reasoning -Celebration Multi Media 14:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebrationmultimedia (talk • contribs) 14:42, 3 September 2012
Not done. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a free advertising site. (Note: account username-blocked by Daniel Case). JohnCD (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Mazda B-Series (North America)
Article was redirected to Ford Ranger (North america). While it's true that the B-Series line was merged with the Ranger, before 1993 the B-Series was a completely different vehicle who's only similarity with the Ranger was that they were both compact trucks. The article that is intended to replace the article for the B-Series does not include any information on pre-1993 Mazda trucks and does not detail differences in the post-1993 Mazda branded varient of the Ranger model. Without the Wikipedia article, there is no detailed history of the North American B-Series -68.171.231.80 (talk) 06:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing to do here as no deletion was involved; the previous article was still there in the history beneath the redirect, and has now been restored by an IP. If this is disputed, it should be discussed on the article talk page, not here. JohnCD (talk) 08:51, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Red5 Media Server
Notable -Mondainx (talk) 17:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Apparently someone considers Red5 as "Not Notable"? How is this the case since the server itself was a huge milestone in the reverse engineering of Flash Media Server and is the basis for Wowza and many other servers that followed it? The FREE open source project has been around for over 6 years and is still active and innovating. The server project is also well know throughout the world and amongst Adobe itself. Adobe also hosts a video tutorial about it on its site: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/360flex-conference/building-red5-applications-by-chris-allen/ If the article was simply deleted due to "self promotion" then why would this article still be allowed to exist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wowza_Media_Server
Not done. This article was deleted as a result of the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red5 so, as stated at the top of this page, it will not be undeleted here. WP:Notability, in Wikipedia's sense, is not a matter of opinion but of showing references to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - see WP:42. The recently deleted article was only three lines, gave no indication of importance or significance, and gave no references but www.red5.org. If you can find independent references to confirm the claims you make, I suggest you write a userspace draft article (advice on how to do that on your talk page tomorrow) and then approach user ThaddeusB (talk), the deleting administrator, for agreement to post it. As far as other articles go, we know that many are below standard, so What about that other article? is not an argument that is accepted - each is considered on its own merits. JohnCD (talk) 23:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
MMOBomb
A ScrewAttack partner site, one of the most highly-ranked MMO sites, and the most-subscribed YouTube channel of all MMO sites. -64.138.237.101 (talk) 00:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning websites. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning companies will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. Mere view numbers don't fulfil that condition. --Tikiwont (talk) 10:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
R.M. Engelhardt
Subject Has Citations-Notability -Poemflower (talk) 00:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to bring new citations to the attention of the the previous editors in regards to author-poet as deleted R.M. Engelhardt. Here are several links that have been provided as well as article quotations in his regard to his notability as a writer/poet on the internet and websites. There are also several previous links to his works-books listed in your previous documentation as well that closely deserve attention.
Thank you.
- http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AEngelhardt%2C+R.+M.&qt=hot_author
- http://albanypoets.com/2012/04/albany-wordfest-the-founders-reading-april-15
- http://albanypoets.com/2012/03/2012-albany-word-fest-founders-reading
- http://albanypoets.com/about-albany-poets
ALBANY POETS HISTORY Albany Poets (then, AlbanyPoets.org) began in May of 2000 by poets R.M. Engelhardt and Thom Francis as a way to promote poetry and spoken word in the Albany area by featuring local poets, spoken word performers and events on the Internet. R.M. Engelhardt was the poet responsible for first creating AlbanyPoets, then with coming up with the idea for Albany WordFest, an idea a myriad of poets have been carrying out since 2001.
Not done. This article was deleted as a result of a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. M. Engelhardt so, as stated at the top of this page, it will not be undeleted here. The administrator who closed that discussion is no longer active so, as Dlohcierekim (talk) has advised you, you need to make your case at WP:Deletion review. Note that WP:Notability, in Wikipedia terms, requires evidence of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The links you supply above are to a list of Engelhardt's works and the website of his group; what is required is independent comment about him, such as reviews. If you wish, I will "userfy" the deleted article about him - move it into a sub-page in your user space where you can work on it, to prepare an improved version to be considered at Deletion review. Read WP:Your first article, WP:Notability, and WP:Notability (people), particularly the section WP:CREATIVE. One suggestion at the deletion discussion was that it might be easier to show notability for Albany Poets. JohnCD (talk) 09:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Otherness (band)
reasoning -Rhett 27 (talk) 02:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. If a deletion was applied to "Otherness (band)" and I think I have clearly explained why it is an important article, then can you explain me what's the difference with this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Others_(band)???
Thanks for your time and consideration
Regards xxx
M
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning music. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning musicians or music groups will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Bound for Glory (band)
band is still active and performing -203.98.215.5 (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning music. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning musicians or music groups will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
File:Kymlardner.jpg
reasoning -86.161.35.228 (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I am Kym Lardner, owner and commissioner of this image and I aprove it's use on Wikipedia
This image is found on my official website, http://kymlardner.com/about.html
Neil Z. Miller
Neil Z. Miller is a notable voice in the field of medical journalism and the vaccine community. In addition, the article on Neil Z. Miller can be edited to include his two important vaccine studies that were recently published in a peer-reviewed journal. -NathanWright (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - this article has not been restored because it does not appear to meet our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning people. In general, Wikipedia considers a topic to be notable if there exist multiple reliable sources of information on the topic, external to the subject itself. Articles concerning people will be deleted on sight if they are considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion, or if they do not contain a credible assertion of the significance of the subject. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Anne K. Block
The original article was deleted with little discussion after the subject repeatedly whitewashed the article, removing all citations and sources. The subject is an individual of great regional import who has attempted to recall at least 11 elected officials including the current Executive of Snohomish County, whom she has attempted to recall three times. Snohomish County is a region of world import, it is the home of Boeing and the third largest county in Washington State. It contains the largest port no the west coast. Block's actions greatly affect the governance of this region. In addition,Block is a pioneer in utilizing the Public Records Act. Block has filed numerous large requests and related court claims. She targets municipalities that cannot process the volume of documents she requests and then files suit. Her requests have caused hearings and proposed law changes at the state and federal level. Her actions have resulted in the bankrupting of small municipalities and the resignation of multiple elected officials. While none of her numerous legal actions have been sucesful, Block has cost the state millions of dollars and her posting of embarrassing (publishing unsourced claims of elected official's supposed STDs or affairs) or private details obtained through the records process has caused several elected officials to resign. Every action that Block files must be contested by a team of City, County or State officials and while her usual practice is to withdraw her motions the day before the case, the government and targeted officials must go through the cost and time of preparing. The Seattle Times states that these costs now occupy over 35 percent of Block's hometown's yearly budget. Block maintains a twitter account and an online news site to promote her activism, and her recall attempts and litigation are covered by all of the major regional media outlets including daily newspapers with circulations in excess of 500,000 subscribers per day. The Seattle Times has published numerous articles on Block including a front page investigative report conducted by the Times' Pulitzer Prize winning team. The other regional dailies and every broadcast outlet have also covered Block. The article in question, while in need of work, is backed up by primary sourcing consisting of articles from major, respected daily newspapers, regional broacsating outlets, and original source documents from courts and municipalities. Block did not shirk the attention of the page but instead deleted all of the sourcing and chose to write in the third person about her accounts. I would like to achieve a neutral, well-sourced version of the article as it is a subject of great importance both in the State of Washington and regionally. Please consider undeleting this page so we can create an informative and fair BLP. Thank you. L8incoub3rt (talk) 00:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC) -L8incoub3rt (talk) 00:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done. This was an attack page, contrary to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia is not a soapbox. See WP:Articles for deletion/Anne K. Block. If you want it restored, you will have to make your case at WP:Deletion review, but first read the policies I have linked, and WP:Biographies of living persons. JohnCD (talk) 19:34, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment. I am new at Wikipedia. It is my intent to write a fair, sourced, neutral piece. I have read your links and will follow the advice you have given me. However, I have one question/point to run by you. Encyclopedic content should be factual. Factual is different from balanced. In some cases, there are not an equal number of sources that paint point/counterpoint pictures of individuals. It has been stated that the Anne K Block article was an attack page. I agree that it was far from a finished prodct, and that it needed work. However, if the page was an attack page, then it was only an attack page because that's what the sourcing dictated. I would ask any editor to read the Seattle Times piece that is used as the most prominent source in the article. I found 25 other secondary sources but used the times source the most because it is the largest and most respected journalistic outlet in the region. What if the facts as reported by secondary sources don't paint a balanced portrait? Thank you very much for your input. It is appreciated. L8incoub3rt (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- The last two lines of your first request above say that you want a neutral, well-sourced article, but the previous twenty or so lines are sustained anti-Block polemic. The strong impression given here, in the edit-wars on the deleted article, and by Anne Block being reposted by another single-purpose account within a week of the deletion of Anne K. Block, is that the citizens of Snohomish County want to use Wikipedia as an arena for their local political battle. That is absolutely not what an encyclopedia is for.
- Yes, it is possible to construct a balanced biography where sources are largely negative (we manage to cover Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot), but it requires care in considering the overall impression given. If the author's opinion of the subject shines through, and the selection of sources is relentlessly one-sided, then the article is an attack, and we will not accept an attack as a basis for development. See WP:BLP#Balance, in particular the sentence:
"The idea expressed in WP:Eventualism – that every Wikipedia article is a work in progress, and that it is therefore okay for an article to be temporarily unbalanced, because it will eventually be brought into shape – does not apply to biographies. Given their potential impact on biography subjects' lives, biographies must be balanced and fair to their subjects at all times."
- See also WP:COATRACK, particularly the sections WP:BITR and WP:CHERRY, and the guideline on WP:Conflict of interest. I am sorry to quote so many policies and guidelines, but this kind of situation is far from new, and it saves writing it all out at length. JohnCD (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
HP Envy
This page was deleted because it was dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page, however there was no deleted or non-existant page related to it prior to deletion. -Bgibbs2 (talk) 03:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
WT:Articles for creation/The Gravity Theory of Mass Extinction
- WT:Articles for creation/The Gravity Theory of Mass Extinction · ( logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
I CSD'd this article without knowing that copyright permission was on file. It was not mention in page comments. I will have to learn how to check this - :- ) Don 16:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - I see the article author Jstheorist (talk · contribs) says on your talk page that he is John Stojanowski, the author of the paper copied, and has "given Wikipedia the right to freely distribute", but how has he done that? We can't just accept an OK from someone on the end of a wire - permission needs to be confirmed by one of the ways described at WP:DCM.
- More seriously, even given permission, this fails WP:No original research - he has lots of references, but he has combined what they say to produce his new theory, and that is WP:SYNTHESIS and not allowed: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." JohnCD (talk) 19:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you, but CSD was reverted once by another editor, so I assumed there were no other problem. Bad assumption. I will check on the permission and notify the author that the OR has to go. Thanks John. -- :- ) Don 19:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think it's salvageable - the whole thing is OR. If posted, it will certainly go straight to AfD. The other key passage in WP:NOR is: "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to announce such a discovery." There are plenty of Ghits, but they are all about his book, I don't see any independent discussion. There is, for instance no mention of this theory in Google Scholar. JohnCD (talk) 20:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you, let's at least give the editor a chance to respond. -- :- ) Don 22:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- Editor's response is here. Cancel the undelete. -- :- ) Don 09:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think it's salvageable - the whole thing is OR. If posted, it will certainly go straight to AfD. The other key passage in WP:NOR is: "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to announce such a discovery." There are plenty of Ghits, but they are all about his book, I don't see any independent discussion. There is, for instance no mention of this theory in Google Scholar. JohnCD (talk) 20:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you, but CSD was reverted once by another editor, so I assumed there were no other problem. Bad assumption. I will check on the permission and notify the author that the OR has to go. Thanks John. -- :- ) Don 19:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Lucius (video game)
Invalid speedy deletion: "G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page: more at User talk:Zeizei123 - please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox". The article may well be crap, but that's not what G8 is for. -▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- It wasn't asserting importance but not being eligible for A7 itself, it had been redirected by an editor to its developer Shiver Games already tagged itself for speedy deletion. Athaenara (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) then deleted the company and the redirect per G8. If you think the game now deserves a game, I'd suggest you go ahead, if you want to start from what (little) was there let me know and I'll userfy.--Tikiwont (talk) 12:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done Oh, my mistake. It was put up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests so I thought I'd check it out, there was no way for me to know it was a redirect. Thanks. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Tereza Mrdeža
Tereza Mrdeža is a tennis player who competed for Croatia in 2012 Fed Cup. See her official profile: http://www.fedcup.com/en/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100042619 , therefore meets notability criteria -Vinz57 (talk) 21:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. Please update the article accordingly. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Mr. Len
Contesting PROD. -Chubbles (talk) 17:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
- Since Sarah Stierch also invoked A7 and there currently aren't any references, I've userfied it at User:Chubbles/Mr. Len. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Jamin Thompson
the guy is a real person and a great local athlete in my town -204.11.170.48 (talk) 00:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done - As announced at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. The article about the tennis player was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamin Thompson, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you mean the sme person amd believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Courcelles (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Forbidden_City_Football_Club
Was there any debate or questionning as to why the page should be deleted? -171.208.99.231 (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. there was no debate about this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Riette Burdick
reasoning -Ioscat (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC) I already had a reference in the article, and it was still removed.
Done. I have restored the article and reset the ten-day clock. You need to find a better reference than IMDb, which is not considered a reliable source because it is user-editable. If the article is to be kept, you also need more significant coverage to establish WP:Notability. JohnCD (talk) 21:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Category:Armenian terrorism
Category was deleted for the reason that 5 years ago a category with the same name was deleted as the result of this discussion. And the user which deleted it today guided by Wikipedia:CSD#G4. But as you can see from the discussion results and deletion summary, 5 years ago this category was deleted because just one article linked to it. Today I have recreated this category and added 22 articles and 3 subcategories. And as it's stated in the Wikipedia:CSD#G4:
"A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion. This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies ...".
So as you can see reason for the deletion is no longer applied for this situation. But user which deleted the category also removed all links from articles and by this he created artificial situation when his position seems correct. -Wertuose (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done. Decisions of deletion discussions are not reversed here - see top of page. The 2007 discussion you linked shows that the reason for deletion was not primarily that the category was under-populated, but that the name was considered inappropriate. The closing admin mentioned the possibility of creating a new category "without the baggage of the current name". Re-creating the category with the same name does not improve it, or overcome the reason for deletion. If you wish to challenge the result of the 2007 discussion, or my recent G4 deletion, the place to do that is WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 21:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
File: Logo for Center of Academic Research and Training in Anthropogeny
- File:Logo for Center of Academic Research and Training in Anthropogeny.png · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
reasoning -Benirschke-Perkins (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done. That file is stated to be licensed under CC-BY-NC-ND (i.e. non-commercial, no derivatives), which is too restrictive for Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA because it does not allow derivatives or commercial re-use. JohnCD (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Digital Treak
The administrator deleted it because he didn't knew about this record label, Its recently founded and its from India, Please undelete it, Our website is on maintenance mode and will be active in 2 days. Meanwhile you can check our Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/digitaltreak -Djamogh (talk) 21:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done. Wikipedia is not a place for new organizations to announce themselves. See WP:Notability, WP:Conflict of interest and the WP:FAQ/Organizations. JohnCD (talk) 22:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
File: Logo for Center of Academic Research and Training in Anthropogeny.png
- File: Logo for Center of Academic Research and Training in Anthropogeny.png · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
reasoning -Benirschke-Perkins (talk) 02:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The Creative Commons license for this logo can be found at this URL: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/
This logo can be freely copied, distributed and transmitted, as long as it is not used for profit and/or altered in any way. Furthermore, the creators of the logo would like to be credited when if/when the logo is used. This complies with Wikipedia's goal to be a free content encyclopedia.
Not done. It does not go far enough to comply with Wikipedia's goal. Being credited is not a problem (that is the BY bit); but the "'not used for profit and/or altered in any way" restrictions (the NC-ND bit) are not compatible with Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA, which allows both derivative works and commercial re-use.
- However, there is a "fair use" exception for "non-free content" which complies with all ten of the conditions at WP:NFCC#Policy, and a logo like this probably qualifies. See Wikipedia:Logos for advice on how to upload it with a {{non-free logo}} template and a non-free use rationale. I have not restored your image because, in order to comply with WP:NFCC#3b, what you upload should be a low-resolution version, no larger than actually required on the page.
- If the logo is a registered trademark, life gets still more complicated, see Wikipedia:Logos#Trademark concerns. I am sorry this is all so difficult, but copyright law is a nightmare and image copyrights are worst of all. JohnCD (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2012 (UTC)