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how to clear sandbox?

I feel like an unfortunate cat. Trying to clear my sandbox to write a new article, but it seems to be stuck redirecting to my last edit on page Edith Diehl in some endless loop. I'm not sure where this redirect came from. Any thoughts? noranoodle (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, noranoodle, and welcome. When you click on the User:Nora Lockshin/sandbox link, it does not let you open it, but redirects you to the Edith Diehl article. But, watch out! Just under the title of the article ("Edith Diehl") there is small text that reads "(Redirected from User:Nora Lockshin/sandbox)". Click on that text, and you will open the sandbox itself. Then you can edit it the same way you edit any page. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've changed the redirect to a link, & you can do whatever further edits you want. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much to Vanjagenije & David! Seems all clear now! noranoodle (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey Vanjagenije & David Biddulph. When I click on the small redirect text underneath the article the resulting page says: "This is a redirect from a page that has been moved/renamed. This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links that may have been made, both internally and externally, to the old article title. This template automatically tags any redirect that results from a page move. For more information, see the category." I can't seem to edit my Sandbox without editing the article. I think I may have moved it incorrectly when I published it. Any ideas? Thanks so much! AlexHollender (talk) 04:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
That's not a problem. When you see that message, you can still click the edit tab, and replace that redirect by whatever you want the new content of the sandbox to be. To be on the safe side, before you do that you can click on the "What links here" link in the left hand toolbar to confirm for yourself that nothing (or nothing significant) is relying on that redirect to get to your moved article. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, David Biddulph is right. That message does not prevent you from editing. You can freely edit the sandbox and remove that message. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey - thank yo so much David Biddulph & Vanjagenije. I guess I had sort of developed tunnel vision and was missing the obvious edit tab right in front of me, despite having read this thread and others! Thanks again for your help AlexHollender (talk) 00:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing my Wikipedia Article.

I have already received a TON of support and help from people here at teahouse about an article I am writing about a Boy Scout Camp in Oregon and I appreciate all of it! The comments have been nice and generally people like the article. I was wondering if anyone would like to review the page and help me to figure out any more edits. I think I have more than enough reliable sources and the content should be already spell checked, etc.

Thanks for all the help! You guys rock! Here is a link to the article.

-JacobJacob Mehringer (talk) 00:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I have changed the link to the article into a wikilink. Vycl1994 (talk) 00:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

edit content box

Hello, I'm working on the Lee Oser article, and I need help editing the Content Box. I'm unsure why the font sizes in the box vary; I would like to edit them. Thank you for your assistance! Brittneyhren (talk) 01:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I have tried to tidy up some of your non-standard formatting. There are still a number of aspects to consider, including the following:
  1. You have started with level 3 headings, rather than level 2.
  2. You have included references in section headings.
  3. You have included external links within the body of the text, which Wikipedia does not do.
  4. You have tried to use Wikipedia as a reference, which isn't allowed.
  5. You've got a stray "ref>" in one of your refs.
  6. You have used bare URLs in your references.
  7. You've started section headings with numbers, which isn't normal in the Manual of Style.
I'm sure that you will find other aspects to improve, but hopefully the above will give you a start. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Communication in Russian

I'm not a total newbie to Wikipedia, but I hope I'm not too experienced to get an answer here :-). Somebody just posted a large block of text in Russian on my user talk page, and (as a non-Russophone who was completely failed by Google Translate) I have no idea what it says. Is there a place like WP:PNT where I can ask somebody who speaks Russian what the guy is trying to say? Thanks!
Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

@CogitoErgoSum14: Absolutely. Head on over to the language section of the reference desk. I would be shocked if you didn't have an answer in a few hours. However, just as a back up, of that is not fruitful you could try asking someone listed at Wikipedia:Translators available#Russian-to-English (but I'd check their contributions first to make sure they're active). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Jalen McMillan

Hello Wikipedia community, I have been trying to create a page for the world famous Jalen McMillan and my article keeps getting deleted. Someone please help me DerekHoytink (talk) 15:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Your draft article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jalen McMillan has been rejected, but you can still work on it and resubmit. As the reviewer said, the article needs to show evidence of the subject's notability (as defined by Wikipedia:Notability (people) or perhaps Wikipedia:Notability (music)). The article will be approved if you can resubmit a draft which shows evidence of notability. It may be the case that the subject is not (yet) notable by Wikipedia's criteria, in which case the WP:AKON rule applies. --LukeSurl t c 15:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, DerekHoytink. If this person is actually "world famous" as you say here and a "global figure" as you say in the draft article, then surely it will be an exceptionally easy matter for you to find significant coverage in reliable, independent sources and then you can add those to your draft article. By the way, social media sites do not count. When I search on Google News and Google Books, I find pretty much . . . . nothing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I update a logo on a page for my company?

I created an account to make edits/image updates for our company page and do not see how to replace the image in the right navigation box. (talk) 14:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, but please don't ask the same question in multiple places - I will answer at the Help Desk - Arjayay (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello. You have what we call a conflict-of-interest regarding the article on your company. We therefore would prefer you not to edit the article directly. Instead, please go to the talk page of the article in question and outline what you would want changed with the article. Add the code {{request edit}} after your request to send out a signal for help. You will probably need to point out where on the internet your company's new logo can be found. --LukeSurl t c 15:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion, updating the logo of a company is not a COI edit. It is an entirely neutral edit, which ought to be a non-controversial edit, if the company has changed its logo. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Wanted to write article on my college in India

Hello Team,

I want to write an article about my college in India named as Kelvin Institute of Technology. I read some guidelines about usernames and type of article we can write. Kindly guide me is it fine if I write my article on college and want to publish it with title as Kelvin Institute of Technology.

For your reference, here is the authentic official website of the college

Thanks in advance for helping

Regards ````— Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyankaBerry18 (talkcontribs)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse! You can create an article on your school as long as it is notable, that is, you can find a variety of outside reliable sources of information that discuss it. Since you are close to the subject, it's a good idea to have others look at it first to make sure it does meet the notability requirements and is not biased. To do this, you can go to articles for creation and submit your page as a draft. (But right now the drafts are highly backlogged; it may take over 3 weeks to get a review.)
You can also see your first article for more information on what. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 17:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Anon126

Thank you so much for your response.

Will do as suggested. Priyanka Berry 03:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyankaBerry18 (talkcontribs)

Hello PriyankaBerry18. There is a strong presumption here, based on longstanding consensus, that all accredited degree-awarding institutions such as high schools, colleges and universities are notable. Please write your article from the neutral point of view, and include as many high quality reliable sources as you can find. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:50, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Cullen,

Thank you for your response. It was a great advice.

Priyanka Berry 04:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyankaBerry18 (talkcontribs)

Most reliable, up-to-date online source for taxonomy

Hi! I'm writing an article on a fish species. It also has a few subspecies. Where can I find the best online source for species naming (as well as who named it, and when)? Sources tend to contradict one another. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bananasoldier - Ask the experienced subject specialists at WP:WikiProject Fishes or WP:WikiProject Tree of Life (Taxonomy), they are likely to know what the better taxonomy sources are. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Bananasoldier (talk) 05:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Photo up loaded to my page

How do I put a photo on the Wikipedia page about myself Balvenie Street (talk) 09:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Balvenie Street, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may upload few photos of yourself, but only if you are the author/copyrights holder of the photos. You should go to Wikimedia Commons (if you have Wikipedia account, you automatically have Wikimedia Commons account). Click "upload file" on the left, and the rest is easy. When you upload a photo to Wikimedia Commons, you can use that photo here in Wikipedia. You may use the photo for your user pages or in the Teahouse, but you should not try to insert photos of yourself into articles. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

John Barbirolli

Last November I made my first edit on Wikipedia. I added an account told me by my aunt in the 1960s, of an occasion she had with John Barbirolli when they were children. I recently checked the Revision History of the biography and found that after my entry in the "Early Years" section, I musf have done something wrong, because the rest of the paragraph following the entry, is shown as a very long line in a different font. Could someone correct this, because at 83 years old, I find it hard to understand how to do it myself. George Edrupt24.226.64.186 (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

You started a line with a space. This causes text
that looks like this
Don't worry, such errors are easily fixed.
What was more important was that such personal recollections aren't really appropriate for an encylopedia. Unfortunately it comes under the label "original research" here. This is specifically prohibited on Wikipedia, for reasons outlined at Wikipedia:Original Research. --LukeSurl t c 21:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
LukeSurl - Thanks for pointing out my error. I had thought that my aunt's anecdote would broaden the image of Sir John's humanity. But rules are rules. I first learnt about Barbirolli at school, because I went to St Clement Danes Grammar School during the war at Oxford, then after, on DuCane Road in Shepherds Bush, London. Sir John had attended the school when it was on Houghton Street in Holborn. (talk) 13:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Logo problems


I was left a message saying that a file I uploaded (File:Tetrosyl Group Ltd Logo.jpeg) will be deleted in 7 days if I don't attach it to an article. I wanted to use it on a page awaiting review (Articles for creation/Tetrosyl) but it was taken out with the note: "See WP:NFCC#9 non-free files can only be used in articles using AWB" - I wasn't really sure what this means so could someone explain it a bit more?

I'm assuming because it's a logo I can't upload it through the commons (would this give users entitlement to use/modify the image?) Thanks HFMURRAY (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi HFMURRAY. Basically, Wikipedia needs a fair use rationale for using non-free files like logos. Part of that rationale is that the logo is an indispensable part of an article, but if there is no (live) article (since your page is still a draft) then that criterion can't be fulfilled. Your best bet would be to simply wait until the article is approved and moved to mainspace, then upload the logo again if it gets deleted in the interim. You're absolutely right about uploading to Commons (it would be speedily deleted as a copyright infringement there). Yunshui  14:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Yunshui, I figured as much - I'll wait for the verdict on the article before worrying about the accompanying image! HFMURRAY (talk) 15:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

(re-)assessment request

Hi all, I am looking for a "(re-)assessment request" for my article about Camp Meriwether and didn't know how to get that. Mehringer (talk) 02:20, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi John. You could have asked the user who gave it the initial ratings when it was less well developed, User:Evrik, by posting to his talk page (see Help:Using talk pages), however there's little need to do so now because most likely he will see this post given that I linked his name here, so he will get a notification. A dedicated place to make your request would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Assessment#Requests for assessment. By the way, when you want to link to any Wikipedia page, you only need to enclose its exact title in doubled opening and closing brackets, rather than providing a hyperlink. Thus, the article is linked by typing [[Camp Meriwether (Oregon)]]. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
  • The article has many issues. I suggest you work on it in a draft form. --evrik (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Merging articles

Hey Folks, I have an oldy BUT a goody, there is an article called list of solo pieces for the cello, all of which could and should be called, sonatas. Cello sonatas can and do have other instruments. Sonatas are not just a solo instrument per se. HOWEVER, I cant see the distinction, in short, here is a list of solo pieces for cello, called sonatas, and here is a list of cello sonatas, which do also include other instruments. My contention is, WHY are the seperated? Can we merge them? How do we merge them, and of course, WHERE do I go to gather a consensus, BECAUSE, the merge would NOT happen until a majority of folks concur...certainly...Coal town guy (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

An example of a survey in support/favour of a proposal can be found at Talk:Scarborough, North Yorkshire - see section 7 'requested move'. You could do something like this? Flarp (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Showing code on Wikipedia

Hi, I was wondering what the standard wikimarkup is for depicting code on a wiki. I've seen lots of different examples around the place, but can't seem to find the recommended implementation. Thanks! --J8t (talk) 19:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

From Wiki Markup : "There is no commonly accepted standard wikitext language. The grammar, structure, justification, keywords and so on depend on the particular wiki software used on the particular website. For example, all wikitext markup languages have a simple way of hyperlinking to other pages within the site, but there are several different syntax conventions for these links."
Wikipedia uses MediaWiki. You can get help at Help:Wiki markup or there is a summary at Help:Cheatsheet
Flarp (talk) 00:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
@J8t: Hmm, after reading your question and Flarp's answer I'm not quite sure what you're asking (or whether it's been answered). (I'm definitely thrown off by the fact that your section header refers to Wikipedia specifically but then you're talking about "a wiki" in the body, and I was wondering if how it sounds is what you intended to convey or whether it was a terminology issue.) Anyway, I'm going to answer a different interpretation of your question. If you are asking about how to display the underlying code to others when discussing it, then I don't think there is any recommended implementation. The manner of display is at user's discretion, or changes depending on context so no brightline rule would work. A short snippet of some code in running text might be set off by placing code tags around it, e.g., <code>|author=</code> produces |author=, or you might use color to really set it off, e.g., |author=. Also, using alternating colors to get the point across is very effectively used in the manual of style (though not for code necessarily). If you wanted to highlight some code that you're recommending someone copy and paste somewhere, such as from a table or infobox, you might use <pre> tags, e.g.:
|{{some template}}
which produces:
|{{some template}}
and if you were showing some snippet of css or javascript you might use "syntaxhighlight", e.g.,
<syntaxhighlight lang=css>.suggestions { max-height: 0; overflow: hidden; }</syntaxhighlight>
which produces:
.suggestions { max-height: 0; overflow: hidden; }
Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

delete uploaded image

Can anyone tell me how to delete image that i have downloaded?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Are you sure you mean "downloaded" and not "uploaded"? Downloading means you copied an image you found here to your computer. If that's what you mean, well, just drag it into the trash or whatever method you normally use to delete any file on your computer. Since that's sort of basic, I suspect you may mean an image you had on your computer that you transferred onto Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons by uploading it. If so, it really depends. Can you tell us the name of the image? It might be that you can simply place the template {{db-g7}} on it to request its deletion if it's local. But it's difficult to guess without the specifics.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi! If an admin were to merge an article into another, and the merged article becomes a section of the latter, does the edit history also combine? When else does edit history combine? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Hello Bananasoldier and welcome to the Teahouse! Please see our help page on history merges, as I think it will answer all of your questions about this process. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 15:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bananasoldier. No they don't combine. What you are describing is a text merge. When a text merge is [properly] done, at the time that the content is merged to the new location, copyright attribution notes are placed in the edit summary of the "merged from" article and in the "merged to" article noting the merge taking place and linking to the other article. See Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge. This allows anyone studying the page history to follow the thread from one article to another to see the edit history (and copyright owners) of content that was actually created elsewhere. But the edit histories have separate origins and must remain separate. This is completely distinct from a history merge, where the actual edit histories of two pages are spliced together. This is a very common source of misunderstanding. History merges are normally only done when the pre-existing content from one page is improperly copied and pasted to a new location (rather than properly moved to the new location), so that the history of the new page is actually a continuation of the history of the prior page but has been bifurcated into two locations.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Bananasoldier (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Cite "product label"?

Hi! A product's packaging has information on its "back-story" and history. Am I allowed to cite it as a source? If so, is there a cite template for it? Thank you, --Bananasoldier (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bananasoldier. Here's my opinion: The information included on product packaging is certainly not an independent source. As for whether it is a reliable source, I think that depends on how strictly an independent government agency regulates the claims made on the packaging. So, perhaps the nutrition claims are pretty accurate, and the list of ingredients. But who verifies the claims regarding the product being developed by, for example, a couple of folksy farmers presented as real named Bartles & Jaymes, who it turned out, were entirely fictitious? On the other hand, other products may include little anecdotes on their packaging that are 100% true. The best course of action is to rely on what reliable, independent sources say about the back-story and history. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Cullen. I see what you mean, as the little stories on the products could be merely promotional and not necessarily true. Also, I noticed that there is a "cite video" template. This can only be used for professional videos, as in PBS or documentaries sold in retail, correct? I've seen some articles that cite a Youtube video. Youtube is not a reliable source, however, because anybody can publish videos, right? --Bananasoldier (talk) 06:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
A large percentage of YouTube videos are not considered reliable, Bananasoldier, but some are. If a generally reliable media outlet has an official YouTube channel, so that there are no copyright concerns, and the content has professional editing and a reputation for fact checking and correcting errors, then those specific YouTube videos are considered reliable sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Bananasoldier (talk) 07:19, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Unable to keep logged in

When I log in, I consistently mark the box "Keep me logged in (up to 30 days)"; however, I must redo the log-in daily, sometimes several times in a single day. I generally work off my iPad. Does anyone find log-in continuation more unstable on iPads than on PCs? Strudjum (talk) 07:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Strudjum, does this only happen when you switch devices? (from your iPad to your PC?). Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 07:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Are Flickr links ok for image reference?

Hi Guys, would very much appreciate if anyone has time to look in on my article as it's been in the queue for a few days now and I'm slightly paranoid. Normal no? There are places in the article where I'd like to refer to pictures of graffiti taken on streets. Is clear in Wikipedia? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Martinez, Graffiti Artist

Many Thanks in advance Graffitinucular (talk) 13:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Graffitinucular. The answer is - it depends. You'll need to check each individual image for the correct licence; the one that's permissible is CC-BY-SA (Creative Commons, Attribution, Share-alike). If it's licensed as NC (non-commercial) or ND (non-derivative), then you can't use it here. All are possible on Flickr.
I'll try and take a look at your submission shortly. Yunshui  13:20, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. Read your note. I thought I had chopped it down enough. As you can see I've struggled because I haven't mastered encyclopedia speak. Compared to some other street artists I looked up here, it's tame in singing the guy's praises. Could you possibly see your way to chopping out what you know doesn't belong? I'm simply trying to list a guy who deserves a place on Wikipedia. Thanks for your patience Graffitinucular (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Yep, can do. Give me a few minutes. Yunshui  13:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I've changed the url in your question to a wikilink. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
One last question for anyone who knows. If I link an Amazon page which is already out of stock and print, is that acceptable? There's a used copy of his illustrated bio there and nothing else I've seen. Graffitinucular (talk) 08:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
No, Amazon's not considered a reliable source - much of the content is user-generated and it exists only for commercial purposes. Unless you're trying to reference the fact that Amazon once stocked a particular item, there's no need to link to it. Yunshui  08:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Right, got it. Thanks Graffitinucular (talk) 08:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stairs NGO

I made a new page and it was deleted by user:CindamuseZeshanAhmer (talk) 08:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. According to the log report, the page was or contained a copy-and-paste of text from [1]. This would be considered a copyright violation, and Wikipedia must, for legal reasons, delete such content quickly. Also, Wikipedia is not that interested in repeating what an organization says about itself, and is rather more interested in what in reliable sources that are independent of the subject have to say about them. I would recommend drafting a new article in your own words, using a wide variety of sources which are independent of Stairs NGO. You can do this at Draft:Stairs (NGO). As long as your draft is not a copyright violation, it will not be deleted. --LukeSurl t c 08:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Attesting notability - WP:ACADEMIC

Hi there, I created a page on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sven Voelpel. Due to - non extensive coverage in independent nor reliable sources, therefore non-notable - submission was declined. I added many references now and changed the writing style. Voelpel's proven and recorded h-index of 20 is given. Shouldn't this be enough facts for his notability? Adding more would color it completely blue. Help and advice for resubmission welcomeJacobsflem (talk) 09:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I want to contribute here while using Tor. Is there any way?

I like to use Tor to browse the Internet whenever possible to bypass USA government surveillance programs that scare me.

Since I joined Wikipedia a few months ago I had hoped to be able to apply for an exception to Wikipedia:No open proxies, and I think I now have a good enough editing record: I have an account, contribute very frequently to Wikipedia—every day—and have managed to rack up just under 4000 edits without any blocks, bans, or even warnings. Though I've heard vandals have abused Tor in the past, is it possible at all to use it here? It's not like I plan to vandalize anything.

While trying to figure this out, I noticed Wikipedia:Advice to users using Tor linked to the Unblock Ticket Request System, but am not clear if that's where I should go, since all it talks about is appealing existing blocks from administrators, not block exceptions to Tor. I can't tell if it's a bad link and no longer an option or what.

Also, would I be forced to use Tor all the time? I use multiple computers to edit Wikipedia, one of which is pretty slow and I don't expect to be able to use Tor on. I don't want to get something and then get it taken away from not following the rules.

Thanks in advance, meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Wrong venue: Somebody responded offpage and this question is probably more appropriate for the Help Desk anyway. Nevermind. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 09:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Article waiting for review

Hello. Three weeks ago I created an article titled TimeCamp. I would like to ask how can I check the status of the article? What is the estimated time of waiting for the review? Thanks Magda Rogoz (talk) 14:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

You can find your contributions with the "Contributions" tab at the top of any page. In your case this goes to Special:Contributions/Magda Rogoz. There you will find your AFC draft listed as Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/TimeCamp. Category:AfC pending submissions by age gives you a clue as to how many pages of what age are awaiting review. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your reply --Magda Rogoz (talk) 14:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Glancing briefly at your draft I see that there is at least one external link in the body text, which is not allowed, and there are also at least two obvious spelling mistakes. These would not necessarily cause the draft to be declined, but the fewer obvious faults there are the greater the chance of it being accepted, so it may be wise to correct them while you are waiting for the review. If you do so, you don't need to resubmit, as the AFC remains in the queue. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Gaames Unlimited

Hi my page on a reliable company in India was deleted bu user cindamuse. This had reliable sources in press as referencesShireenDJ (talk) 09:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
It was also excessively promotional, and was largely copied from the company's own website - I'm afraid such content is not at all suitable for Wikipedia, referenced or not. Yunshui  09:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I am assuming that this may have referred to Gaames Unlimited. I have therefore added a new section heading as it didn't seem to be related to the section in which it had been placed (except that both articles had been deleted by the same administrator). --David Biddulph (talk) 16:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Uploaded image not showing

Recently i made a page on book series The Chain Gang (book series)). Some thing is going wrong with the uploaded image Please tale a look and solve the problem

Fieryarrow (talk) 17:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I have modified your link above to a wikilink. --LukeSurl t c 17:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Hi Fieryarrow. When you modify an infobox, such as the Infobox comic book title which exists in The Chain Gang (book series), you should not specify anything other than the filename in the |image= parameter. You have written
|name=[[File:The Chain Gang series logo.jpg|240px]]
which has confused the template. All you need to write is
|name=The Chain Gang series logo.jpg
You can specify a |imagesize= if you like, but it will default to 250px anyway, which should be OK. --LukeSurl t c 17:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you

It Looks neat now Fieryarrow (talk) 17:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

My article is stuck in my Sandbox

I'm having trouble submitting an article on Wikipedia. The article appears to be stacked in my sandbox. I have requested help in reviewing the article, but no one has responded. How do I get the article uploaded? Alternatively how do I delete the article that is stuck in my sandbox, so that I can resubmit it. SR.MBA (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi SR.MBA, to request the article be reviewed, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article in your sandbox :) Samwalton9 (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Why is my bio/article not searchable?

I wrote my first "article" when creating my profile. It's a biography. However, when I search my name in Wikipedia, nothing comes up. Any help is much appreciated.

MichaelJoy46 (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi MichaelJoy46, and welcome to the Teahouse! What you created was a user page, one which isn't generally seen by readers. If you actually wanted to create the page, I would move it to AFC, but you should read WP:BIO and WP:COI first, which help creating a page about yourself. Thanks, Matty.007 19:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

People want clarification


I am Balvenie Street and have updated my details on your site. Now I am the person (JL) and yes I am still alive and the details on the site are correct for your information. Can you tell me what is the problem with the information and do you want me to give you info here about who I am? thank you JL Balvenie Street (talk) 14:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi! As I see, you edited extensively the article on Jimmy Lindsay. If you are him, than you are having what we call a wp:conflict of interest. Wikipedia is intended to be neutral, but writing about yourself in neutral way is very hard. So, It is very important for you to read and follow this: WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. As you can see in that guide, it is recommended for you to declare your conflict of interest on you user page (User:Balvenie Street). This is how to declare your conflict of interest: WP:COI declaration. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Of specific relevance to you may be Wikipedia:Autobiography#If Wikipedia already has an article about you, Wikipedia:Autobiography#Problems in an article about you and Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Factual_error_(from_subject). --LukeSurl t c 16:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I have interest in this because this article is about me and is very good and just needed more information Balvenie Street is the street I stayed in (No 44) in Shawhead, Coatbridge. I have completed all that I want to write now, because their is not any more information to put in. That's not to say I wont have more information for you About my new job here in Kercem Ajax FC in gozo malta. Thank you for your quick reply. Cheers Balvenie Street Balvenie Street (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Edits are constantly being reverted

Hi, there's a user that keeps on reverting my edits on Kim Yuna's article. I don't know if its a troll account or not. I can't talk to the user because it has no talk-page. Please help.Masterpeace3 (talk) 11:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Masterpeace3 and thanks for your post. I have warned this editor and reported their username as it is a breach of wikipedia policy. Flat Out let's discuss it 11:20, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Masterpeace3. I just want to tell you this: every user has his talk page. It might be empty (as it was in this case), but that does not prevent you from leaving messages on the (empty) talk page. Technically speaking, the talk page does not exist at the beginning (the link is red), but as soon as you leave a message it does exist (the link becomes blue). Vanjagenije (talk) 13:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
There seem to be multiple editors (some relatively new) on both sides of the issue of whether to include this info (Yuna Kim's conversion to Catholicism). However, until today, there's been no discussion on the talk page. I just started a discussion (Talk:Kim Yuna#Religion) and invite Masterpeace3 and anyone else involved to chime in there. TJRC (talk) 00:13, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Just starting out on an article

I'm just starting to write an article. It is on an article for creation page. I need time to put it together and will becoming back to it and making changes before final submission. My question is simply that if I hit the save button, it saves my work somewhere and I can come back to it and make changes before the final hotshot submission?

Bruce Rout (talk) 23:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. As you have discovered since you wrote your question, you can save updates to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Roxy's Ruler and keep coming back to update the draft until you are ready to submit it for review. Another option would have been to have started your draft as a userspace draft. Another editor has added to your user talk page a welcome message with numerous useful links, of which Your first article will be of particular relevance to you. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Getting started with a basic description page for a US company

Hi, I am John Novack, with the company Inspire, of Princeton, NJ. I created a profile and tried to write a basic company description, but frankly I don't know what happened to it, and I want to either retrieve that draft or delete everything and start over. Thanks. Inspiredotcom (talk) 15:05, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have such a thing as a "profile".. There are user names, and yours is User:Inspiredotcom, for your account which was created in December 2013. More significantly, Wikipedia has articles on subjects which meet its notability requirements (and you need to check the link to see what Wikipedia means by notability). Back in 2009 another user, User:Veenadavidson, tried to create an article Inspiredotcom but it was deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". It was also a copyright violation. Some details of the problems, and links to useful advice (including on conflict of interest), are at User talk:Veenadavidson. As well as reading that previous advice, you now need to be aware that your username, giving the impression that it represents an organisation rather than an individual, is not acceptable, so you need to read WP:CORPNAME and choose a new user name to represent you as an individual. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Just to note, what was created was an Articles for Creation draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/About Inspire. Thanks, Matty.007 19:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
... though the AFC mentioned was not created until some time after the original question. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
So it wasn't. Sorry, I probably should have paid more attention to the times. Thanks, Matty.007 20:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for this feedback. Unfortunately, what happened in 2009 has nothing to do with my employer, Inspire, of Princeton, NJ. In Dec. 2013 I tried to set up here as a company profile, and "Inspire" was not available as a username so I went with Inspiredotcom. Apparently, that tied me somehow to the 2009 actions of someone in the UK. Can I just change my username then? Thanks again. Inspiredotcom (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Having now looked at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/About Inspire, I see that you have misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia, not a place for posting a "company profile" to advertise the company. More seriously, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material. I included a link in my earlier answer to WP:copyright violation, but it appears that the material in your AFC draft is drawn almost entirely from copyrighted material at and , so it will have to be deleted. If you are the owner of the copyright you could donate it using the procedure at WP:donating copyrighted material, but in general material from company websites is too promotional to be appropriate for an encyclopedia, which is looking for a neutral point of view. You need to read about editing with a conflict of interest (which was another link I gave in my earlier answer). --David Biddulph (talk) 02:21, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Reference Help

I'm trying to create a new article, but keep getting this error message. What am I doing wrong?

There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist}} template (see the help page).

Rebecca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjvisser (talkcontribs) 23:18, 6 February 2014‎ (UTC) - (user had tried to sign, but signature wasn't processed because of the ref tag without nowiki)

Try Referencing for beginners. I added nowiki tags to prevent the quoted wikicode from messing up display of the Teahouse. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Note that in the error message which you quoted, the words "help page" were in blue, indicating that they were a wikilink. In this case, the link would take you to specific advice for the error on your page. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I tag an article for something like copyright violation or Vandalism?

I am wondering just in case anything popped up in a article :)


Happy Attack Dog (talk) 23:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Happy Attack Dog. You do not need to tag copyright violations or vandalism. If you are sure that those issues exist, then act immediately. Remove any content that is a copyright violation, and revert or delete any vandalism. Please be aware that vandalism has a narrow definition here. Vandalism is defined as a "deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page." If an editor contests your reversions, please be prepared to explain them. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


An article was written that took work from my nonfiction book without permission. It also included a photo from the book without attribution. I am very upset. It took me years to write my book and another one is going to be published soon. Stealing is not okay! What can I do? (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, 162 and welcome. This is a serious matter, called a copyright violation. Can you point us to the article and the part that is copied so that it can be removed? Thanks, --Jakob (talk) 13:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
120.52, are you referring to File:Andrew Cap Tilles, Young Man, Late 19th Century.jpg and Andrew Tilles? --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 16:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
A substantial portion of the article on Andrew Tilles was lifted from my book without permission. My photograph was also taken from my book without permission. I spent a great deal of money to have the photo restored. I am livid. I spent years researching my first book. How can I get the name of the contributor? I want the article removed. Since the author is also claiming to be in the midst of writing further articles that probably come from my book, I want to ensure that they are not published. (talk) 21:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
If the photo in question was published in the United States before 1923, as the image file asserts, then the image is in the public domain, and can be freely used by anyone. If you are kind enough to retouch a public domain image and then put that improved image on the internet, then the image is still in the public domain. If you believe that the image is not in the public domain, then please explain why, and if there are facts that I am not seeing so far, then we can take whatever action is appropriate. The article Andrew Tilles cites many sources, but the one used most is a book called Talk with Tilles: Selling Life in Fort Smith, by Nancy Ellen Carver. If the article summarizes and properly paraphrases the content of that book, without large numbers of direct quotations, or unattributed quotations or close paraphrases, then that is what an encyclopedia does, and there is nothing wrong about it. But if material is copied extensively without quotation marks and proper attribution or is too closely paraphrased, then that is a copyright violation. Please point to those specific passages, and they will be removed.
The "View history" tab at the top of any article allows anyone to see which editors have contributed to an article over time. In this case, the main contributor is Belshay. You can express your concerns directly to that editor on their talk page. However, I encourage you to assume good faith of an editor trying to improve this encyclopedia, unless there is clear evidence of misconduct. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

About the copyrights of the corporate logos

Hello guys, I just wonder whether the Corporate Logos that are released from the corporate's official website UI page or that are to be found online easily, but are neither consisted of a sequence of letters or words nor first published 90 years ago, violate the Wikipedia copyright regulations....? If not, can I upload the image files? In that case, would be the appropriate copyright tag? Hansel Mar (talk) 04:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Hansel Mar. In general, corporate logos are copyrighted, and can't be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a Creative Commons license. However, under the legal principle of fair use and our guidelines on use of Non free content, low resolution copies of corporate logos can be uploaded here on Wikipedia for strictly limited use, for example in the article about that company. Follow the procedures in that guideline carefully. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

how do I create a sub-page or sub-section in my sandbox

I'm having trouble creating a sub-section in my sandbox Maidmarian55 (talk) 03:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC) -- (talk) 04:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)How do I create a subpage

Hello 75. My best advice would be to go to WP:About the Sandbox, which will show you all the ins and outs of working with your sandbox. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
@Maidmarian55: Hi Maidmarian. A sandbox is any subpage of your user or user talk namespaces that you are using as a draft place to work (there is also a new draft namespace but I don't want to go too far afield), and it takes the name form of: Your username, followed by a forward slash ("/"), and then a title (which does not need to be, or literally include, "sandbox", which is just a synonym for a workspace and has no special property vis-a-vis the software – it's just the word we use). Thus, User:Maidmarian55/SomeName, if you create it, e.g., by typing [[User:Maidmarian55/SomeName]], previewing or saving that somewhere thus displaying a red link (User:Maidmarian55/SomeName), and then creating that page, will result in a "sandbox" for your use.

Accordingly, when you created User:Maidmarian55/sandbox/Assignment Section, you successfully created a sandbox, though there was no need to include "sandbox" in the title; it could have just been User:Maidmarian55/Assignment Section.

But it would probably be best to create intuitively named sandboxes. So, for example, as I see a focus of the assignment includes subjects related to the New Mexico State University, if you were to try your hand at an article about the NMSU Arthropod Museum, a good sandbox name would be User:Maidmarian55/NMSU Arthropod Museum. Then work on the content there until satisfied (making sure to cite to reliable sources and avoiding copying and pasting anyone else's work from anywhere). When it's ready for the mainspace, it can be moved there. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Nominating an article for deletion

Hi all,

I wanted to ask for some advice regarding nominating an article for deletion. I was originally planning to rewrite this article Art of Murder: Hunt for the Puppeteer as the flow and grammar were quite poor, but after giving it some thought, I believe the game has very little notability and was wondering if the right thing to do was to nominate it for deletion?

Please could someone have a quick look and give their opinion. I don't want to do the wrong thing and upset someone!

Thanks Lucyloo10 (talk) 09:19, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Your first instinct is correct. With the exception of copyright violations (and some irredeemably terrible articles) deletion is almost always a question of notability. This seems to be a notable game, so it would be much better to rewrite. Feel free to be very WP:BOLD in the material you remove from the article. In my opinion the article would be better replacing the entire plot section with a one-paragraph summary. --LukeSurl t c 10:10, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help. Its a bit of a minefield when you first start out and I didn't want to do the wrong thing. Cheers for taking the time to help out :) Lucyloo10 (talk) 10:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Although I included plenty of citations, the article was denied because of notability and citations. Someone that is published in a book on Oxford University Press and has multiple newspaper articles and blogs written about them should be considered notable, right?

Although I included plenty of citations, the article was denied because of notability and citations. Someone that is published in a book on Oxford University Press and has multiple newspaper articles and blogs written about them should be considered notable, right? Maybe I'm not using citations correctly, but I've tried to include as many as possible

Thanks (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. I declined your article back when it had significantly fewer citations. It has a higher chance of being accepted now. Please note, though, that I have removed reference groups that caused many of the references not to show. You should continue to improve the references by adding more information to them and using an acceptable date format. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Being written about in newspapers certainly contributes to his notability. His own publications mostly do not, and being written about in blogs almost certainly does not. --ColinFine (talk) 09:19, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you ColinFine. None of the citations listed were his own publications although I think someone else listed one as his own. Thanks for the information though. I thought that public blogs about someone would be an acceptable source.

Also, Thank you Anon126 for the review. This is an almost overwhelming process for me. I never knew that wikipedia could be so complicated. Thanks for taking the time and if I can find anything else, I will add it.2601:9:200:51F:BDA8:881:5FAB:B6CF (talk) 10:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Round Table

Dear fellow writers, I have written an article on a round table concept set up recently in Frankfurt, Germany. I would like to link it to other organisations, that have a similar concept. Basically bringing in Small and Medium Size Entities together, for an informal evening of presentation and socialising.

Does any one know of such website on Wikipedia?

Best regards, param (talk) 09:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Unfortunately the article you have written, German Malaysian Round Table - GMRT has more serious problems. Firstly a Google search for "German Malaysian Round Table" pulls up nothing apart from this article and a corresponding page on the German Wikipedia which says that the German Wikipedia has deleted an article with that name twice. From the content of the article, and phrases like "If you need more information on GMRT or are interested to initiate your own chapter in your city of residence contact us at..." show that you are trying to use Wikipedia as a supplement to your existing web presence. Wikipedia is not a free web host, and it is detrimental rather than useful for Wikipedia for companies and organisations to use Wikipedia for the same purposes as their main websites. It is almost certain that this article will be deleted within a few days. --LukeSurl t c 10:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse! I have tagged German Malaysian Round Table - GMRT for speedy deletion as an article about a club or group that does not credibly indicate the significance or importance of the organisation. To enquire about the existence of websites that have a similar concept to your group, you could try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Information regarding a company

Hello, One of the articles i have written isnt accepted within the Wiki article format. I have written clear facts regards a company and non bias points. What am i missing?


Shaunsdata (talk) 12:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I assume you mean Tlc domestic services? Wikipedia does not aim to have an article about every company in the world. That would be millions and millions of articles. We only have articles about companies that are "notable", you can find out what this means at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Because the article that you wrote presents no evidence that the company is notable by these standards it will be deleted. --LukeSurl t c 12:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Welcome, Shaunsdata. What you are missing is sufficient material to assert that the company is notable together with sufficient references to verify that notability. The references must come form reliable sources, too, so it's quite arduous to create a new article, the more so when you are new here.
Part of the challenge you face is learning your trade. You might find User:Timtrent/A good article worth a detailed read.
Keep asking questions as you learn. Fiddle Faddle 12:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi my page was rejected can someone help?

the page I was creating is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mojdeh MarashiZoe amico (talk) 20:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


the page I was creating is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mojdeh Marashi was rejected can someone help?Zoe amico (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Zoe amico, and welcome. You're article was rejected primarily because of bad wp:referencing. It has only one wp:inline citation, and even that one in a wp:bare URL. Wikipedia articles need to have multiple reliable, independent sources that significantly cover the subject (see: WP:42). Your reference pint to a web page that does not even mention Mojdeh Marashi. Your external links also point to some web pages that either do not mention him, or mention him just in passage. You have to improve referencing if you want the article to be accepted. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Where did my un-reviewed article go?

Hi, I started an article, got about three paraghraphs in and submitted it for review. THEN I created a login for myself. So it appears that the article I created isn't linked to me. At least, I can't locate it.

I have some photos to add, and I want to get back in there. Where'd it go? Thanks Frankienkatie (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Telling us the name of the article would help. I expect it's at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/YourArticleNameHere, where "YourArticleNameHere" should be replaced by whatever name you chose for the article. Regarding the photos, are you aware of the copyright concerns? Huon (talk) 21:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey Frankienkatie. As Huon says, it really would help if you told us the name or your best recollection of the name. Anyway, assuming you actually and successfully saved the page while editing as an IP, and a search of what you think it was called is not finding anything, you might try looking at your IP address's contribution history. To do this, log out, then type somewhere on Wikipedia (anywhere) the four tilde signature code (~~~~), then click "show preview" and then click on the IP address revealed. Unless your IP address has changed since you edited with it (which is possible), you should see the page you saved listed. Also, if he page was deleted, you might look at your IP address's talk page for a deletion notice. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Is this your article? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mike Gonzales (Athlete) Theroadislong (talk) 22:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks everyone for the replies! Yes, Theroadislong, that's it! I just returned to find that my article was accepted. Whew! Thanks again for the help! (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)