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Bot helping with categorization[edit]

I was thinking it might be useful to have a bot add the {{WikiProject Japan}} banner to articles in categories with the word "Japan" in them. There are just so many articles to check now that it's hard to keep up manually. Thoughts? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Anyone have any input on this? When requesting a bot do something, we usually need to have a consensus discussion we can point to. Thanks. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
How would the bot hondle it? Would it put the {{WikiProject Japan}} banner on, say, David Suzuki, who is categorized under Category:Canadian people of Japanese descent and Category:Japanese Canadian internees but is born and bred Canadian? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, since that would fall under this project being a Japan-related topic. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
So having Japanese blood is the only requirement for the {{WikiProject Japan}} banner? Is there a guideline for this? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Anything Japan-related falls under the scope of the project. I suppose if having Japanese blood was the only connection, that wouldn't necessarily put them within the scope, but this person was put in a concentration relocation camp during World War II, so they would definitely fall under the project's scope. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
So the bot would distinguish between Category:Canadian people of Japanese descent and Category:Japanese Canadian internees? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
If you programmed it that way, yes. There can always be a list of categories it should ignore. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I am not familiar with how bots work. What if somebody accidentally added an article to a "Japan" category? Would the bot also deal with removing WPJ banners? bamse (talk) 12:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
There would be a log that could be reviewed. We could also make an exclusion list, adding articles which may be in those categories but aren't really within the scope of this project. For an article accidentally added and later removed from those categories, we could see if the bot could review articles to which it had previously added the banner to see if they still qualified. We can request any number of features (though all might not be able to be included in the bot's tasks). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


Pardon my ignorance, but when one refers to "Ibaraki, Japan", as here, is there a general consensus at which of the several items listed at Ibaraki it presumably refers to? Ibaraki Prefecture? Ibaraki, Ibaraki? Ibaraki, Osaka? TJRC (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

@TJRC: Hm. For the purposes of diambiguation here, I think the default should go to Ibaraki Prefecture. With regard to the case on the website, it's a little hard to say. (City, country) is the general convention, but without more information, there's no way to be certain. I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
On the website you reference, it could be either the prefecture or the city. Most of the time, though, when people in the western world give a place like that, they are referring to the city and country, as Jethro mentioned. If you are not sure, I would go with the prefecture as the city is in the prefecture. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to the both of you. It's a pretty good bet, then, that it wouldn't be Ibaraki, Osaka, anyway? This is for the article Helen Huang, just in case I wasn't clear.
I have the impression that this might be like when someone says they're from New York: you may not know whether they mean New York (state) (Ibaraki Prefecture) or New York, New York (Ibaraki, Ibaraki); but you're be pretty sure they didn't mean New York, Texas (Ibaraki, Osaka)... right? TJRC (talk) 03:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Right—most people wouldn't be aware of an Ibaraki in Osaka. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. First of all, it depends who "most people" are. Most people in the Western world wouldn't be aware of any Ibaraki full stop. So if somebody employed at Huang's school wrote her biography, they could have shortened "Ibaraki, Osaka, Japan" to "Ibaraki, Japan" without even bothering to look it up.
Second, the comparison with a village of 20 people in Texas is a horrible example. Ibaraki, Osaka is a city of 280,000 people, and according to this list it is larger than any city in Ibaraki prefecture. Ibaraki's main train station is just 10 miles (12 minutes, two stops) from downtown Osaka. Ibaraki prefecture on the other hand has other prefectures wedged between it and Tokyo.
I'd say it is equally likely her parents were working in Osaka and living in Ibaraki, which is basically a suburb of Osaka. So no assumption should be made without further evidence. From a practical stance, an email address is listed at that link. Would it be out of the question to contact her directly and solve the mystery? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
No, what I said is awfully empiric. Google doesn't even turn up a mention of the Ibaraki in Osaka until the second page. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's interesting. When I click your link this is the third hit. I guess not all googles are alike. But let's not try to guess what area of a country someone is born based on a single page of google hits. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Most likely because Google knows your location—the third hit for me is this. Regardless, even for you I imagine the hits for the prefecture outpace those for the city in Osaka by quite a few times to one. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't read Chinese, but this article seems to suggest she was born in Osaka. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I googled "黄海伦" AND日本 AND 钢琴(piano) in Chinese. However I can't find anything related to 茨城 or 茨木. So we can't determine the place where she was born. I think this discussion is unconstructive.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I think it's very constructive. The next best thing to certainty is knowing about the uncertainty. If we can't identify the correct place with confidence, it's best to just note it as such rather than wikilink with false authority.
For now, I'm just going to mark it as "disambiguation required", until and unless an authoritative answer emerges. Thanks to all who are participating here; it's helpful. TJRC (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I wrote to her and asked that she update her Juilliard bio page to clarify which one. We shall see if she will do that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Testing the revised MOS:JA#Modern names[edit]

I've started an RM to test community receptiveness to the heavily revised version of MOS:JA#Modern names we now have. It seeks to move Hikaru Utada back to Utada Hikaru (which was renamed under the old 2008 version of this guideline, which strongly leaned toward Westernized name order).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  08:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Black Kohtaro Minami[edit]

An edit war seems to encompass Kamen Rider Black (character) and Kamen Rider Black RX (character); see details at talk:Kamen Rider Black (character) -- (talk) 05:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested Move & Discussion on Romanization[edit]

There are two separate, but related, discussions on the Talk:Kamen Rider Black (character) page - an RM, and a discussion on romanization. Input from uninvolved editors would be appreciated. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 05:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement![edit]

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Please note that Izakaya, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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Babymetal needs your help[edit]

Could you please look at what happened to the Babymetal article. Before and after. (Or just look at the edit history.)

For example, it may need someone from WikiProject Japan to just say that this was a reliable source (Oricon) and this was a reliable source (Barks) and this was a reliable source (Musicman-Net, Barks) and that this edit changed the meaning of the original sources that were reliable, too,. Could you please do something?

(As you may remember, things like that happened before and that's why I'm asking someone more experienced with Wikipedia traditions to help. After all, the article was carefully sourced, it looked okay and now it's partially deleted and has warning templates.)

By the way, it seems that it all started here at the Administratiors' noticeboard. Just for you to understand how it may have started. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

The Super Girl / Supergirl[edit]

Some input for a Japanese name discussion would be appreciated: Talk:Supergirl (Japanese TV series)#Requested move 26 January 2016. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Glossary of anime and manga[edit]

Some input for this discussion would be appreciated: Talk:Glossary of anime and_manga#Obscure terms. I as understand, the topic starter finds some of the terms obscure and not likely to be "encountered by your average reader" and therefore thinks they should be removed. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Rola (model) article under discussion at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard[edit]

The Rola (model) article is currently under discussion at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard following a request by a representative from Rola's management agency to remove a paragraph in the article about the arrest of her father. Interested editors may wish to comment at the relevant entry there. Thanks. --DAJF (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)