Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Color/Archive 5

Proposed deletion: Silver (color)

Silver (color) (via WP:PROD on 28 December 2007)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 06:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Shades of color

I created a Template:Shades of color designed to standardize the various shades of ... templates and make them easier to maintain. autocollaspe should probably be enabled by default, but I need to set up some template parameters so that for example on the List of colors page they don't collapse there. I converted all the shades of templates that I'm aware of to using this new base template. PaleAqua (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

With the recent creation of Variations of color pages, e.g. Variations of green I wondering if the naming of the templates and categories should be revisited. While personally I prefer the shades of nomenclature, as variations of... sounds very awkward to my ears; I am not as against using variations especially if that is the preference for the minor shade articles. PaleAqua (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Dog coat color category

The article Coat (dog) has a large section on colors. I don't know if/who/how it should be added to the purview of this project, as is the horse coat article. But I think it merits it. Best, Shlishke (talk) 02:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Color swatches, color wheel colors, and other strange stuff

Violet (middle violet) (#8B00FF)
#8B00FF

The color articles remain a confusing mess. The biggest contributor, User:Keraunos, collects unsourced trivia, makes up names, measures RGB numbers out of an old book, acts like "color wheel" is a unique thing, and adds ugly little color swatch templates along with factoid-laden info boxes and comparison strip charts to lots of color articles. As far as I can tell, he seldom engages in discussion, but I hereby invite him again.

The trouble is that this stuff is all presented as if true or verifiable, when it's mostly not. Within certain systems like the X11 or HTML colors, I think it's fine to present a sample and the numbers; they come across on a web browser as perfect examples of how the use of those named colors in web pages will appear. For pretty much anything else, the numbers don't make so much sense. The use of terminology like "Green (color wheel)" for codes like 00FF00 is based on a certain logic of an HSV or HSL color wheel to represent an RGB space, but is this any kind of standard or sourced terminology? If so, what's the source? He cites verizon for "Violet (color wheel)", but there's no such name on the page.

And what about that Texas stamp collectors' site that he likes to cite as a source for "NBS" color names and values? Sure, they measured the RGB of their scans of a bunch of stamp colors; but does that make it a reliable source for color data? I'm skeptical. Or he'll use sources like BF2S Forum for "electric violet" even that that page calls it "violet"; or hexcode for "deep violet" even though the hexcodes page doesn't have color names on it.

I'd like to hear what others thinks, and what direction we should take to improve things. Dicklyon (talk) 01:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for a top-down approach. As we fix up our most important articles we'll be better able to see what sources are and aren't out there on color, which will make every article better. However, I can see that some articles just don't belong on wikipedia and need to be merged or deleted as soon as possible. We should pick one to delete as a precedent and then systematically move through them all. Wrad (talk) 02:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that the information boxes should move away from being RGB/HSV centric to be include stuff like symbolism, common pigments and dies, wavelengths and frequencies (or complementary ones) if possible etc. I don't think that most articles should have more than one color infobox. And I think swatches should be in general removed and pictures added. Too many of the sources for color coordinates are arbitary, original research or contradictory. For example colourlovers is a website I've seen referenced a bit. It allows user color coordinate submissions, and often has numerous different entries for names if searched.

I do like what Wrad and others have done with the article on green. Perhaps we should nominate articles to focus on, similar to how green was brought forward. The list of colors in Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution, or even just focusing on the main articles for each of the shades of series in some order might be a good way to start that.

As for deleting or merging articles and sections, we probably need to come up with some clear guidelines on what to include and what that should not be included. Colors beginning with "Pale ...", "Deep ...", "Light ...", "Pastel ...", "Dark ...", "Medium ...", etc.. in general don't need there own article or even section. Also colors named after objects or things probably should not have there own page unless the color is notable separately (Orange would be one such notable color). I think my creation of the page Ivory (color) was probably on the borderline of this distinction and may have been a mistake in hindsight... PaleAqua (talk) 04:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been harboring a secret wish to make Primary colors a featured topic including Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. Wrad (talk) 04:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How about we agree to work on removing all the sections and infoboxes on colors that don't have a reliable source? In some cases the name and history is sourced, but not the info. In others, the name and all are unsourced. I often just take them out, but if we had consensus that this is a good direction, we might keep ahead of them. Dicklyon (talk) 04:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. We need some way to keep each other posted on what's going on, though, by way of AfDs, at least. Wrad (talk) 04:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I definitely approve of this effort. I asked someone with lots of AfD experience a few months ago, and it was suggested that the best approach is to put articles up in batches of a few at a time, so that AfD commentators/voters aren't overwhelmed. There are dozens of unsourced stub color articles which should rightfully be merged or deleted, so this will take a while. A good start is Category:WikiProject Color articles needing infobox sources, but that isn't all of them (and some of those may be worth keeping). --jacobolus (t) 13:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Just as an aside, Category:WikiProject Color articles needing infobox sources is now a hidden category, see Category:Hidden_categories for a little more information. While there is not general consensus yet on this, it appears that it is being used on all the lacking sources categories. The "Misc" / "Show Hidden Categories" tab of my preferences may be used to always display such categories at the bottom of articles. PaleAqua (talk) 22:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I know I'm coming into this a little late, but I agree with the thoughts here. I was just looking at Blue and there's a whole section on Variations. Which would be fine, except it's defining hex and other values for things like "dark blue". It looks like someone just went down the list of web-safe colors or something. That info can be very useful; I'm just not sure it belongs in an encyclopedia rather than some sort of color index. I'd rather see a couple sentences along the lines of "several shades of blue are often termed 'dark blue'; these include....." and then pull in darker blues from other articles. (Similar to what's been suggested for Green.) The infoboxes with swatches and exact values should go away except for very specific colors (such as branded colors), and even then the swatches should have a disclaimer that they'll look different on a monitor, etc. Agree that photos are the way to go, especially for broader categories like "dark blue".

I don't have much time for editing these days but happy to help out if this is the sort of direction we're moving. I keep meaning to get to the library for some sources but that doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon :( -- Laura S | talk to me 14:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the color wheel colors, it’s very simple. I’ve stated this many times before in color project discussions. The 12 major color wheel colors on the HSV color wheel, which are located at 30 degree intervals, are: red 0 degrees, orange 30 degrees,yellow 60 degrees, chartreuse green 90 degrees, green 120 degrees, spring green 150 degrees, cyan 180 degrees, azure 210 degrees, blue 240 degrees, violet 270 degrees, magenta 300 degrees, and rose 330 degrees. Keraunos (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I moved your comment down. But when you inserted it in the middle it made the replies to Dicklyon appear to be to you. Also do you have a source for using Chartreuse at 90, Spring at 150, Azure at 210, etc? PaleAqua (talk) 23:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The is no need for a source. It is a simple mathematical formula based on the hex codes of the colors. By arranging all the pure chromas, i.e. hues in which at least one of the r, g, or b hex codes is 255, in a circle, it is easy to see which colors are at which angles. Keraunos (talk) 07:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

A source for this notion "color wheel colors" would be useful, too. Sounds like specifically an RGB color model color wheeel; does that make it eligible to called THE color wheel? I don't think so. These books seem to mostly think that "color wheel colors" refers to the colors in the RYB color model. Dicklyon (talk) 00:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The color wheel being referred to is obviously the HSV color wheel, not the outmoded and outdated RYB color model which nowadays is only used to teach children in grammar school. The HSV color wheel is obviously much better because you can get much brighter colors by using it instead of the RYB color wheel which does not allow a bright cyan or magenta. Keraunos (talk) 07:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

It is necessary to in the case of the colors orange, azure, and violet to distinguish between the web colors and the color wheel colors of the same name, since they are different. In the case of green, X11 green (web color lime) is a color wheel color at 120 degrees on the HSV color wheel, whereas HTML/CSS green is a darker color that is mixed with gray and is therefore not on the color wheel but inside the color sphere in the "southern hemisphere" (the shades or darker colors). Keraunos (talk) 07:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

HSV is a quick hack of limited-gamut device-dependent RGB made for 1970s-era computer graphics work, and these names of yours (“spring”, “rose”, &c.) are as far as I can tell completely made up. If there is an article about color wheels it should be historically accurate, comprehensive, and not original research. —jacobolus (t) 00:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The HSV color wheel is the best color wheel that is available at the present time because it gives the brightest colors. It is the color wheel that all the web colors are based on. Keraunos (talk) 07:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The color wheel concept is important because the color wheel is the equator of the color sphere. White is at the north pole and black is at the south pole. All possible colors are at the surface of or within the color sphere.

The tints or light colors are in the "northern hemisphere" of the sphere and the shades or dark colors are in the "southern hemisphere" of the sphere. The achromatic colors are along the axis of the sphere--a line from the north pole to the south pole of the sphere. Keraunos (talk) 07:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

An aside about swatches. Color swatches are nice because they allow one to view the color over a larger surface area and thus get a greater sense of the character of the color. The color bands on the color boxes are too narrow. If you look at some of the other Wikipedias, as for example the Italian Wikipedia, the color boxes have much broader color bands on top that makes it easier to get a sense of what the color looks like. Keraunos (talk) 07:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Harlequin (color)

Harlequin (color) is up for deletion. I can't find sources on the net or I simply lack the expertise on color to do so. Perhaps you could help--Lenticel ^(talk) 08:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Amazingly, quite a few people are suggesting to keep it, even though the only thing we know about it is that it appears in one 1930 dictionary of color names. What's up with that? Dicklyon (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

There are no rules about what makes a color article notable. We need to fix that. Wrad (talk) 01:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Human_rainbow

I think its in your scope! Gaogier ^Chat! 02:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What makes it notable? The GBR catalogs just about any feat that can be verified. --Adoniscik (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

List of color topics

Anyone maintaining this, or is it yet another useless list? --Adoniscik (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if anyone uses/maintains it, but such lists can be useful for their 'related changes' links, such as this one. --jacobolus (t) 21:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice, I learned something! Isn't this better? --Adoniscik (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think there's a similar list somewhere under WikiProject Color, which is therefore not in the Article namespace, so the list in the article namespace is probably worth killing. --jacobolus (t) 02:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Unnotable color article clean-up

I'm implementing a plan at the Variations of green article. I'm going to round up all articles on shades of green with sparse content and put them all into this article, and turn their current articles into redirects, then see if I can't organize the central article in a readable way. Help and support will be appreciated. Wrad (talk) 03:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I've begun the work, moving info from the article in the Shades of green category into the variations article. I'd like to move more of them in, but I'd like to see more support for the process on this page. Basically, I'm thinking we should move as much as is reasonable into the Variations article, and then determine what is actually notable, and then delete what isn't and expand what is and find a good way to present the information better with that article. Wrad (talk) 03:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Strong support. Especially working on one article at a time; an informal collaboration. Thanks for taking the initiative, I'll help out if I get a chance. -- Quiddity (talk) 04:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye, nice initiative. Started going through what's there and going to take a look at what sources I can find. PaleAqua (talk) 04:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Color

Sample Color
Common connotations
Colorful
Colour coordinates
Hex triplet	##FF0FF
sRGBB (r, g, b)	()
HSV (h, s, v)	()
CIELChuv (L, C, h)	()
Source	[Unsourced]
B: Normalized to [0–255] (byte)

I've added a nocoords parameter to the infobox that prevents any of the coordinates from being displayed, but keeps the picture, symbolism, caveat etc. Might be useful alternative for unsourced color coordinates.PaleAqua (talk) 06:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The spelling parameter no longer works. All color infoboxes now use 'color' for the spelling. I'd fix it if I knew how. VMS Mosaic (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll look at fixing it. PaleAqua (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed now. Sorry about that, lost a pair of braces when I was cleaning up the template as part of my changes. PaleAqua (talk) 02:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a color called "Camel"?

Template:Map caption (see example of its work here: Republic of Ireland, under the map of Europe in infobox) names some light shade of orange as "camel". Neither Wikipedia, nor Wiktionary mentions "camel" as a color. Can this word (in English) be a name of such color? 92.39.161.221 (talk) 19:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It's listed in the A Dictionary of Colour ISBN 1854183753 page 79 as "The fawn colour of the camel; beige". Whether it's a notable color name is another question. PaleAqua (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Can someone help me color a link?

.01 Cabal <- I want to make that white, but font tags around it doesn't do a thing. It's a link, so it remains blue. Enigma ^message 17:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, when I removed the rename (|.01 Cabal), it was willing to color it. Not with it, though. Any idea? Enigma ^message 17:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I managed to fix it via testing. Seems separate font tags were needed. linky. Enigma ^message 18:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Pink

Anyone considered protecting pink - it seems to get vandalized regularly. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 07:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The 6 principals

I was directed here from Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Principles, but I find no discussion of the six principals on that page. Is there a discussion of the reasoning behind the Principals? Where can I find it? Or how/where can I start it? Stephenlegh (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Color/Archive 4#Proposed Wikipedia policy/guideline on color/colour articles and swatches in the most recent talkpage archive. (You could also have used the whatlinkshere toolbox link Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Principles :) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Abney effect diagram

Hi,

Can anyone recommend a good reference book for colour-related topics? In particular I am trying to find out if Image:Abney-effect-animation.gif is a good representation of the Abney effect. If you could comment about it on this page it would be greatly appreciated. thanks, pfctdayelise (talk) 12:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

You should really document on the image description page how it was made. For example, did you assume a linear RGB space when you added white light? That would be a typical big mistake. See gamma correction and sRGB. Dicklyon (talk) 05:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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Infoxbox color cleanup plus variations.

I've made some changes to the Infobox color template to support adding samples of variations to the infobox as well as cleaning up some of the parser functions used, as well as the spectral coordinates header not showing if only one of the parameters was specified. You can see a sample on the template page itself plus at Variations of pink(this rev). I'd be interested in what you think. PaleAqua (talk) 06:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting and fun color name site called Name That Color

This color name site, Name That Color: is very popular and includes most of the Web colors, some Wikipedia color list colors, the Crayola crayon colors, and the Xona.com Color List(Resene Paint Colors): all on a single list of more than 1500 colors. There is also an HSV color wheel on which you can move a cursor around, get a slice of the color wheel at that point, and find out which of the codes of the colors on the list is closest to the color you have chosen. Of course it can't be used as a source because it contains Wikipedia colors but it is fun to play around with. I just found this a week ago. Keraunos (talk) 05:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xanadu (colour). —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:27, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Purple vs. Violet

We have two separate articles for these, but they are the same thing. The purple article tries to argue that they aren't, but it is uncited and contradicts itself. Wrad (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

What contradiction do you see? Violet is the color of short-wavelength light, while purple is the color of a mixture of long and short (red and blue/violet) wavelengths. On a CRT screen, you can't make violet per se, but a purple of the same hue can sometimes be a credible substitute. The representative colors chosen for the color icons are pretty strange though, with violet being redder than the purple. Dicklyon (talk) 03:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, no contradiction, just some repetition. Still, from a scientific perspective they are only different some of the time. From a cultural perspective there is very little distinction at all. I think we're making a mountain out of a molehill by separating them so much. Wrad (talk) 04:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What definitions do you prefer? How would you treat them both in one article? Dicklyon (talk) 05:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I would have to do it as I go. I'm just bringing it up here to prepare people for what might later be a merger of some kind. Wrad (talk) 05:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Merging purple and violet would be absolutely and totally absurd and unwarranted. Violet and purple are not the same!! They are totally different! Violet is a color on the spectrum. Purple, according to its scienfific definition in color theory, is any mixture of violet and red light. The range of purple colors can be seen on the straight line of the line of purples on the CIE chromaticity diagram. In colloquial English it is true that a purple can be any color between red and blue; therefore, in colloquial English, violet can be regarded as a shade of purple but purple is NOT a shade of violet either colloquially or scientifically. Keraunos (talk) 04:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Keraunos, we agree for once! Let's celebrate! Dicklyon (talk) 04:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That all may be true, but the two are not mutually exclusive, and, I feel, are being separated too much. As you say, violet is a shade of purple. Also, most people couldn't tell you the difference and I believe that shows in our culture. Wrad (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

In the same way that red is a shade of purple. But red gets its own article, as it is a distinct color category, as is violet. Dicklyon (talk) 00:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

But there is nowhere NEAR the cultural confusion between red and purple that there is between purple and violet. The comparison doesn't hold for that reason. (It would be a bigger deal if you could show that the article on purple doesn't mention red, but it does). Wrad (talk) 01:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed the degree of cultural confusion is different, but the comparison I was making holds. What do you propose to do about the confusion difference? Dicklyon (talk) 02:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Value and saturation

In Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Normalized Color Coordinates it states that a fully saturated color should be at 50% value but most of the coordinates used at Wikipedia show fully saturated colors with a value at 100%. Which is the preferred method for Wikipedia? Justin Foote (talk) 01:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I corrected it per the sourced article on HSV color space. It's not a wikipedia issue, just a mistake from 2005. Dicklyon (talk) 04:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed article: List of trademarked colors

I'm interested in creating a list of trademarked colors as a companion to the Color trademark page, and would be interested in getting the help, suggestions and feedback from this group. I have created a very rough version in my user space: User:Zzyss/List_of_trademarked_colors

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Orange template lagging?

I just added Portland Orange to Template:Shades of orange. For some reason, it shows up on the template page, and it appears in the template in Portland Orange, in Amber, in Apricot, and in various other articles, but it's not showing up for me in Orange. Local cache has been bypassed and other browsers/other machines tried. What've I done wrong...? Or do I just need to wait? Thanks for any assistance. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 18:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, it's present now; I needed only to wait. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 20:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:Shades of brown up for deletion

Just a heads up, there is discussion to delete Template:Shades of brown at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 January 3. bahamut0013^words_deeds 14:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Links to find the shades / variations of articles

Since it looks like there are a few variations of articles these links might be useful in keeping track of them all. They are mostly at: Special:PrefixIndex/Variations of. While there are shades of... Special:PrefixIndex/Shades of and Special:PrefixIndex/Hues of articles, none of them seem to be colors. Finally all of the templates can be seen at Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Shades of in addition to the Category:Shades of color. I'm wondering if the shades of color category should actually have the variation articles as well as the shades of template. PaleAqua (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Wording for color sample navigation boxes.

I've just did a little bit of clean up on all the shades of templates. They should now autocollapse like normal navigation, though a state parameter can be used to override that. I've also added a caveat that shows up at the bottom of all the templates, but think it could be worded a bit better. The default text is located near the bottom of the source of the page: Template:Shades of color. PaleAqua (talk) 06:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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"Blue or Red? Exploring the Effect of Color on Cognitive Task Performances" PMID 19197022

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We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

List of Colors A-Z Hex/RGB/HSV Corrections.

I am making a Photoshop swatch file from the Color List for my own use. I noticed that many HSV numbers and a few RGB values did not match the assigned hex code. I've opened an account so that I can correct these numbers in the table as I go down the list. Some H values were in decimal format (such as 67.5),but for consistency I've changed them to integers. I hope to complete the entire A-Z list. At this point I will not touch the color name to hex assignment or spelling styles of the color names. Please feel free to contact me with any questions,advice,or concerns you may have. Bluenectarine (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Requst for Comment

I made a change in wording HSL and HSV from one word to another. One of the users of that page disagreed with the wording. It is discussed here. SharkD (talk) 05:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. I misunderstood the original text. SharkD (talk) 05:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Symbolism

The color articles have a section titled symbolism in the infobox. They aren't cited in most of articles and this seems to leave them open to people adding long lists of anything to do with that colour e.g. What is the use of this section and how is it decided whether or not something should be included? Smartse (talk) 20:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I used to try to keep them down to what references back up, but people are always adding stuff along with whatever cheap web ref they can find and the list gets ridiculous. Wrad (talk) 15:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Article to exclude (and one to include)

For some reason the article Image gradient has been included in your WikiProject Color (Mid-importance, Stub-class). This article has nothing to do with colour, so should be excluded. Also, the stub article Color gradient has been omitted; you might want to take a look at that one. HairyWombat (talk) 14:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

“Image gradient” is describing something different from “color gradient”, but both are absolutely relevant to color! Image gradients are used all the time for processing/modifying the colors in images. –jacobolus (t) 22:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Popular pages

I have requested a list of popular pages for this project at [1]. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Color to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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Colors, pigments, dyes, paints, or what?

I am confused about the scope of this project, in particular the contents of the color lists. For example the navbox Template:Shades of red lists "Rose Madder" (which is the name of an oil painter's pigment) and "Alizarin Crimson" (which is the name of another artists pigment, a synthetic version of Rose Madder and therefore essentially the same shade of red). On the other hand there is evidence for use of alizarin crimson (color) as a particular (immaterial) shade of red, which may be the shade of both Rose Madder and Alizarin Crimson, but may also be the shade of alizarin-dyed cloth (as used in the uniform of the British Red Coats and (guessing) the Canadian Mounties).
So please clarify what those lists are supposed to contain: vernacular names of colors, technical names of colors, names of dyes, names of artist pigments, names of car paints, or what? If they are to be technical names, perhaps one shoudl specify the domain (I would guess that manufacturers of car paints, wall paints, textiles, plastics, etc. each have their own idiosyncratic color names). All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 12:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I don’t think any of it has been very coherently thought through. If you’d like to work on making lists more scientifically accurate, better sourced, &c., you’d see no objections from me. :-) –jacobolus (t) 22:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Method Santana - First universal lexicon for the color for all the languages

Recently I created the page http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9todo_Santana in the spanish wiki and http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Santana_Pomares for the author of the method. I think this articles are necessary in this english wiki because is an innovation for the colour.

I can´t translate to english because i haven´t the necessary knowledge of your language. Please help me to translate if you can.

Thank you. --Idiomacolor (talk) 12:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• The article is clearly promotional and no indication was given that the method has got any significant use except by its author. I do not care about it having an article (it has been patented so the method itself is verifiable) but the contents should not be more than one paragraph and a link — and that is being generous. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Conducting research on WikiProjects

We are professors at Carnegie Mellon University conducting research on how online groups operate, with a strong history of research on Wikipedia.

We would like to discuss collaborating with you with the goals of both improving integration of new members into your WikiProject as well as advancing the understanding of the science behind online groups.

Our recent research has shown that joining a WikiProject boosts editors' contributions to the project substantially, and that specific kinds of interactions between existing project members and newcomers encourage newcomers to contribute more and longer. We are now working on translating these findings into interventions that will increase the vitality of WikiProjects, helping them attract, motivate, and retain members who are knowledgeable and able to contribute to the project.

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Rostaf (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, this is a pretty small and only semi-active wiki-project. People work on the pages that interest them, and discussion happens on article pages rather than at this page. At least as far as this project is concerned, my guess is that joining a wikiproject is *correlated* with increased contributions to color-related articles, but I'm skeptical of any statements about causality. Good luck though. –jacobolus (t) 22:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with jacobolus about the activity level of this project. Haven't seen much activity here lately. Though many of the project and former members (someone cleared out the list of members a while back) still make edits to various color related articles. I keep meaning to put in more time myself but haven't been that active. A lot of the editing going on lately (at least the stuff I see in my watchlist) is to individual named color pages, and mostly "In human culture" sections, figuring out which RGB value exactly equals which color, and what schools have what colors as their school colors. It would be nice to see more of a focus on color theory and a slightly broader look at the topic. Anyways good luck with your research. PaleAqua (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

RFC: color model or color solid, use same reference color in examples?

I would like to direct your attention here after a failure to reach consensus following a 3O. The issues at hand are whether the term "color model" or "color space" should be used to describe HSL/HSV except when describing their application in physical color modeling solutions; and whether the same reference color should be used throughout the various example images. Thank you. SharkD  Talk  21:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Concept for color articles

Now that we can use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}, I am proposing the idea that we can use this to our advantage for color articles where we use it to colorize the article title. Does anyone support this idea? ANDROS¹³³⁷ 02:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Nope. It would be distracting for no benefit. –jacobolus (t) 05:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

To follow up, some of the articles on which you tried it – Cyan , Yellow, and Pink – make the problems with coloring the top-level header quite evident: none of those text colors is readable against a white background. I’m reverting these, and I’d suggest not coloring more article headers. –jacobolus (t) 07:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh well, it was a failed experiment. ANDROS¹³³⁷ 15:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

It is of course worth keeping thinking of ways to make articles better. Hope I don’t seem curmudgeonly in stamping this one out. :) –jacobolus (t) 01:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Tawny (color)

Should this be listed in the template orange or brown?

• Template:Shades_of_orange
• Template:Shades_of_brown

If so, than Twany will need the template at the bottom of the page. Thanks, Marasama (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Large amount of original research

I stumbled upon the problem because the page Ruddy was on my watchlist as highly vandalized. Today I noticed that Keraunos (talk · contribs) added a good deal of original research to it, including arbitarary assignment of color and adding arbitrary shades. The given citations did not mention color rudy: they were mere color conversion pages for the particular color code. I haverted them and noticed Template:Shades of red in which some colors looked dubious to me (I understand this may depend on monitor's RGB settings; BTW such warning must be added into color articles). I arbitrarily picked a couple of colors and saw exact same problem: unreferebnced color codes. See eg. Persimmon (color), where the color is taken from an arbitrary image of persimmon, and Carmine (color), which has a single reputable ref, for the shade Light Carmine Pink, cited from ISCC-NBS Dictionary of Colo(u)r Names (1955).

I would suggest the project participants to set up a system of proper attributing names to hex/RGB from reliable sources. It is quite possible the same color may be defined differently in different sources. I am sure thare are authoritative sources for colors, especially in particular industries, such as textile or automotive; some colors probably may be trademarked. It will be interesting to have all this industry-wise info. - Altenmann >t 05:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I tried dealing with the OR problem for a while but just got overwelmed. I would say a good majority of the information on most color pages that currently exists is original research. It's one of the reasons I don't edit color articles as much as I used to. I did make an attempt to put together a list of usable sources at Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Sources for Color Coordinates. PaleAqua (talk) 06:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I’ve tried in the past to suggest some alternative approaches, but it’s hard to come up with a consensus. If I had my way, all of the hundreds of color name articles would be consolidated into a dozen or two, with a few extras for special cases like International Klein Blue or School bus yellow which have specific meanings and histories, and most of the (dubious) RGB coordinates would just be tossed out. The articles would end up looking something like the great job Wrad did with Green. As it is, most color articles are arbitrary dictionary-entry-like stubs, and IMO reflect badly on the project. The big problem, of course, is that color naming in general is an arbitrary and culture-dependent exercise (Albert Munsell was complaining about this same thing >100 years ago). Feel free to give improvements a shot. I'll chip in what help I can in the discussion. If nothing else though, Keraunos is dedicated and enthusiastic... can't fault him for that. :-) –jacobolus (t) 10:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Template help

I'm trying to get the colours on Template:STM color to match the colours on [2] any ideas how this can be done ? Thanks, GrahamHardy (talk) 17:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you link to the template? (As far as I can tell template:STM has been deleted.) I'm not sure what you're asking. –jacobolus (t) 19:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done I assume you meant Template:STM color which is used by Template:s-line. How the template works is documentationed at Template:STM color from what I see. A software color picker such as the DigitalColor Meter application included in OS-X can be used to get the color values. (Note doing this is original research and the direct claim of those numbers being anything can't be stated in articles based on this.) Looks like the blue used is 2A3174 for T10/T11, 6DBD41 for T17/T18/T19 and E24A34 for T13/T14. I've made the changes to the template as well as added links back to the docs and a sample table that can be used when changing the colors. BTW, this is really outside the scope of this project. PaleAqua (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Deletion discussion of Category:Shades of spring green

Can any members of this project shed any light on the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 26#Category:Shades of spring green?

This category doesn't seem to me to fit into the category scheme at Wikipedia:WikiProject Color#Color_subcategories, and I have done a little googling, but am seriously lacking in expertise ... and not may others have commented so far. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Replied at the discussion, I had been thinking of listing it for deletion myself since I first saw it pop up. I believe the navigation template for Spring green should also go. PaleAqua (talk) 13:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)