:WOW, Wolfie! Wonderful news! It's time to celebrate!! [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:WOW, Wolfie! Wonderful news! It's time to celebrate!! [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::<small> {{u|Atsme}}, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! {{smiley|4}} --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::<small> {{u|Atsme}}, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! {{smiley|4}} --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:This is wonderful to hear, my friend. I saw your ping almost immediately but have wondered how to respond to something so joyous. But as I went on a walk tonight, thinking of what to say, I looked at the sky, weblike with its stars, punctured, the moon occluded by its own shadow, I thought about navigating knowledge and fragility and incompleteness and the impossible task of representation. (I think of the quote I shared before.) There is a wonderful song by Cap'n Jazz, "Oh Messy Life", that I have loved since I first heard it - and which has made its way into many of the papers I've written over the years, from subjects ranging from pure math to epistemology. "Fire is motion / Work is repetition / This is my document / We are all all we've done". Your life is your document - and that includes Wikipedia - and you are so much. [[User:Urve|Urve]] ([[User talk:Urve|talk]]) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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I have read with interest your talk page and contributions for a long time, though I don't know if we have interacted before. Your grace is admirable. This quote, I found a day or two ago, reminds me of you; it was written in the context of lesbian (auto)biography and historiography, but it resonates with indigenous and other history-making, too.
Urve, Your words honor me greatly. We may have an impact on others in ways we never know but if you have thought of me then we have interacted in even the smallest of ways. My hope is not just that my Song would have a lasted affect on my fellow humanity but that I would be willing to listen and allow others to impact me. That is how we evolve and grow our character. Your Song has done this. Thank you, Rainbow. --ARoseWolf17:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this... On the day she died, a dear friend wrote: "How does one speak truth to power when power already knows the truth?" Maybe you are different than me, but the impossibility of representation, of some things, those which are so powerful they deceive us, like love and humility and grace, troubles me - you wrote above about journaling, and that speaks to a closer truth than anything ever can. Maybe not a factual truth - we always find ourselves remembering things differently than they happened, each memory remembering not the event but the last time we remembered it - but certainly, the emotive truth, which may matter more.
I have always been enamored by your idea, of listening to others and letting them impact us, unreservedly, allowing ourselves to be washed over by the music. We are as much ourselves as we are those we love. Urve (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Urve: Yes! They are part of us, completely. Our Song was carried and nurtured by them for many years and now we carry their Song in us. Having an open ear to listen for the Song of others and allowing it to impact and become a part of who you are is so difficult of a task to master. So many build walls around themselves. Nothing can pass through walls and it isolates us from each other. What we should be building are filters. I am just as guilty as the next for building walls. It's so natural to do. Filters allow the free flow of information, ideas, emotions and communication but can also protect us from dangers. It allows us to breathe and expand or contract as we need to. This is very necessary on Wikipedia. Too often we are confronted with walls. It's hard to communicate and build upon the foundation of the encyclopedia when everything is walled off. Confrontation and agitation is around every corner. It is such a pleasure when we encounter those with filters in place that want to hear and listen to ideas, even if they disagree. They want to communicate and are open to change. That is most beneficial to the encyclopedia. It is also essential to our lives if we are to truly thrive in this existence. --ARoseWolf13:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wishing you well
Hey there ARoseWolf, I saw that you changed your name. I also noticed that you are dealing with a serious health issue right now, and wanted to say hello and wish you well. I hope that you have a complete recovery and that the medicine does the trick. It sounds like you are in good spirits, and are surrounded by excellent care-givers. I have found from my own experience that when the going gets rough, Wikipedia is an excellent hobby to get one's mind in a creative place. Hope the Wild River and Wild Lake articles are coming along swimmingly. Netherzone (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Netherzone. I did change my name. This seemed more fitting for me though I still give credit to my inspiration on my User page. It is always good to hear from you and I love hearing these experiences and how others dealt with them. Being here has been a help to me, more than I can express. All of you are such an encouragement. The articles are coming along. They will get to the place where they are ready when the time is right. Thank you again for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf16:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It warms my heart to see your posts, as they mean you are fighting and able to work. Even if that is a bit here and there, it helps with our progress. Know that every day as I write, you are in my thoughts. SusunW (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am a warrior. I have fought my entire life, sometimes without even knowing. It's in my blood, pun intended (lol). I am still singing, Susun. I know its easy to say but I want each of you to know that I do feel your thoughts directed at me and I appreciate them more than I could ever express. Thank you for sending me your positive thoughts. Instead of growing weak, I grow stronger because of it. Love will win this fight. Life will win this fight. --ARoseWolf12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hear you and understand. It is indeed the gift of people in our lives that make the fight worthwhile, that help us appreciate the beauty (and the ugliness) of life and that push us forward. SusunW (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and Gerda Arendt: Had a fever that spiked to 106 before it finally broke last night. Imm may not be on much today. I depends on how I feel. They took me for xray to try and find the second infection. As of yet unknown. I am better today but they have on oxygen. --ARoseWolf15:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please take care of yourself. Hope they are able to discover the cause of infection. Sending you positive thoughts and strength. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, SusunW. The fluids, anti-biotics and oxygen seem to be working their magic but time will tell. They don't have a clue where to begin with the infection so they want to treat it broadly and see if that takes care of it. In regards to Wikipedia, I saw this today and my heart lept with joy. Vivaldi is one of my favorite composers and I found several arrangements of Italian classical music to keep me occupied and fill my heart with the beautiful reminders of my adventures in the Italian countryside. --ARoseWolf19:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Cello is one of the instruments I have learned to play though I am no where near professional level on any of them. I used to take my pan flutes and various singing bowls out to play for the eagles when they returned during the short summer months. They sure do bring a smile. --ARoseWolf19:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love you finding yourself what I wanted to tell you when back from another outing with other friends, red roses, pics perhaps tomorrow, - I am behind with some taken sooner. I hope you found those new today, covering last weekend, 17 18 19. Keep that page watched, please. Vivaldi: the cellist who played for us the first two movements of No. 6 of the Vivaldi thought there wasn't much to tell about these pieces, - I'll tell him he was wrong ;) - That Largo should bring fever down. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, watched!! I used to listen to Vivaldi all the time. I need to get back to that place again. It does so much more than bring the fever down, it has always lifted my soul. Thank you for sharing and bringing back those memories. :) --ARoseWolf20:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello ARoseWolf -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
today
I really hate to see you having a bad day (mentioned above). Get the temp. down, and get back to mending your body. Get well - that's an order. ;-) — Ched (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, Bad days are relative. I can't truly have a bad day when I am still living life and learning and experiencing. The fever is gone and my temp is normal again, albeit with a little help from antibiotics. I am severely neutropenic so my body can't fight off infections right now. I've never taken so many medications in all my life but I am thankful it is here because it gives me a fighting chance and that's really all this warrior can ask for. One way or another, I am determined to live life to the end, regardless of when that is. I am restrained to these white walls, physically, but my Spirit still roams free over land and ocean, valley and mountain. If you were one of my brothers I would tell you where you could put those orders (I told you I am feisty) but because you are such a good friend I will accept and follow that order. Thank you, Ched. You are amazing! --ARoseWolf12:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully you will escape those 4 white walls soon. I think positive that you will have a long, healthy, and very happy life ahead. Sending cyber-hugs your way. — Ched (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your boldness in expressing what is a somewhat unpopular view on Jimmy’s page. I don’t necessarily agree, but you definitely have expressed it in a thoughtful way and it’s a valid viewpoint. And I agree we should focus on writing articles and not be slave to any particular metric! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aussie Article Writer, you prove the point that we don't have to agree to appreciate each other. :) Thank you for the kind remarks. I will admit that I find myself not sharing very often because of multiple reasons. I know many others feel the same. They don't want to bring attention to themselves because of a valid fear of being singled out. For me it is that I often have felt the intimidation of not knowing the proper wikilinks to policies and the wikilawyering. I tend to respond out of the general knowledge of what Wikipedia is with a personal spin that I acknowledge is my own. It's not polished by any means but it's genuine and comes from a good place. I don't really mind taking an unpopular stance when I know it is valid, relevant and genuine. If it is not reality then I generally will admit that as evidence is brought forward and my view of it changes. I, for the most part, won't be afraid to speak up because of experiences in the past which kept me silent. Again, thank you. The key to our collaborative success is kindness. --ARoseWolf15:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Friend, that I agree with. I have to constantly remind myself of this one core fact every day. In fact, I really need to remember that even when others were unkind to me, the urge to do likewise is not healthy, or acceptable. I gotta work on this, one day at a time. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aussie Article Writer, this is something we all struggle with because we are human. I have bad days and sometimes I even take frustrations out on others or maybe even turn something said into a misunderstanding which could escalate into bitter feelings. Being human is a mixed bag and you really never know what you are going to get. Pain and experience can also leave one jaded. I does come natural to relate with others but that doesn't mean it is always easy or that I am capable when blocked by self. Still we try. --ARoseWolf13:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your message on my talk page on fr-wp concerning les sans pagEs
Hi, thank you for your message on my talk page on fr-wp! Do you think you could share the link to the project you are doing for Women in red? I would really appreciate.
Also your message seems to be an automatic translation, and some passages are a little unclear, but you can write to me in English if you wish. Warm regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nattes à chat, no, its probably my French. I grew up in Italy near Provence and my rendition of Parisian French is probably a bit off. Who knows, I may have snuck in some Italian. Ha! If you want to check out the list I am working on you can see here, User:ARoseWolf/Wikipedia Projects Supporting Women. This is just a start and any additional information on Les sans PagEs would be greatly appreciated. --ARoseWolf19:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure if it was you or RudolfRed who gave me the answer of “even if you misplaced your mobile device, if you purchase a new device, and login with your Apple ID, the FreeOTP app should still recognize you” in retrospect, I dont even know how or why I didn’t think of that before asking the question, that was a no-brainer, it crossed my mind today. Thanks to you both once again. Celestina007 (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Celestina007, I had to use 2FA a while back when I was being stalked by my ex-husband and friends to secure my account. I've since removed it but had limited knowledge of how it worked. I am glad it has been resolved for you. If you ever need anything else or just want someone watching your account a little closer just let me know. Watching and reverting vandalism and hateful speech is really the least I can do for another human being and a fellow editor here. --ARoseWolf17:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Historical overview of projects supporting women
Hi! Thank you for starting this. I don't know if my edits/additions were helpful vs. not in line with what you were envisioning. Please let me know, as I'd be happy to remove anything which isn't a good fit. --Rosiestep (talk)
Rosiestep, you are such a sweet soul but I started this for WiR and because this was something you wanted. I just love contributing. It is all for this project that has brought me so much joy just being a part of it, especially during this time when I've felt so alone. Whatever you and project wants is what it will be. I just do my best to make it happen --ARoseWolf01:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so happy that y'all are getting to know each other @ARoseWolf and Rosiestep:. Had planned on coming here today to check on how your treatment is going ARoseWolf and tell you how good it is to see you being able to contribute so much. Just made me smile even more to see this conversation. Two of my favorite people, supporting each other cannot help but make me happy. SusunW (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Treatments are going well actually. They think I am responding to the latest round of chemo but we will know for sure when its done. I am still fighting off the secondary infection but I have felt really well the last few days. Contributing to this list has helped too. It's been fun looking for information and reading about each project. I feel he positive thoughts from my friends here and my family back home. --ARoseWolf20:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is lovely to know. I figured you were feeling pretty good, but treatment is just overall not fun. I am thinking of you. SusunW (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW: Thank you!! I truly mean that! Sometimes people say it just to be nice but I want you to know that I genuinely feel the positive energy and it does make a difference. --ARoseWolf20:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, and Ipigott: I can see us sitting around drinking coffee and sharing life experiences. I see it with my Spirit eyes and I am there my friends. Thank you for your thoughts and constant vigil over me. This community means so much to me. We are a part of something so vibrant, so energetically positive that the colours swirl fast around us. --ARoseWolf13:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be lovely to sit and have a coffee with each other? Perhaps some day that will happen. Sending you energy this morning and hope. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not we can have coffee together, I think it is great we can keep in touch day by day and collaborate on Wikipedia. I'm so glad to hear the treatment is going well and that you have been feeling better. With your strong love of life, I'm sure the improvement will continue. If you have any other ideas about what we can work on together, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Ipigott, and Rosiestep: My latest numbers show improvement. My white count went from 0.1 to 0.6 and is 0.9 today so my body is responding. Because of the remoteness of our homestead we discussed renting a place here for me to stay if I should be released which would happen if my count gets above 2.0. My sister-in-law said she would come down to stay with me in that eventuality. It's not ideal but would be best while my body continues the recovery process but will keep me close enough to the hospital. And I continue to dance to the Song of Life! --ARoseWolf17:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely fabulous news! So happy for you that your body is responding well to the treatment. I know how wonderful it is to be out of a hospital environment. Even if it isn't to your own homestead, just being among your own stuff, being able to pick your own food (I never once ate that jello they gave me at every meal), and not constantly being woken for checks of this or that is a relief. May you continue to improve and sooner rather than later be able to transition away from the hospital. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, The Most Comfortable Chair, Netherzone, DGG, Urve, Ritchie333, Parkwells, GenQuest, Atsme and I hope I didn't miss anyone but I wanted to tag all of you. Your thoughts. Your caring. Your love for other humans is what fuels the star inside each of us. Thank you all for your continued positive vibes directed at me. I still have hurdles to jump but we are finally running the race in the right direction (lol). And I have one word for the hospital jello cup, Don't (lol)!! --ARoseWolf18:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
jello? yellow? enjoy improvements, that sounds sooo exciting! (I once read a book of a couple telling the story of her breast cancer, and get treatment in Bonn, and the food is awful ... - they tell it from both perspectives, husband and wife, - sorry, forgot the title.) - As you saw already: my 12th today? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. A yellow flower pic to come (possible for August 2022), yellow roses are hidden in last year's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Like that! I uploaded 4 more pics. In the evening, there was a rainbow from the little steple, imagine. I took a pick but it's sort of not good enough. Bees this time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So glad you're heading in the right directions Rose Wolf. Keep taking good care of yourself and you'll be back to 100% in no time.
It's hard to believe its been a year since I found Wikipedia. What I have learned in a year is that this is a difficult yet rewarding place. I have had the good fortune of meeting many amazing people, some of which may not feel the same about me but that's okay. I have learned that there is a lot more to editing here than simply signing in and writing articles, so much more. I am appreciative of the collaboration and especially the discussions where there have been disagreements. We can grow and evolve naturally with no adversity to overcome or reconcile but we learn to appreciate growth when facing those things. My growth here and in life is founded in reconciliation of ideas, thoughts, philosophies, if you will. A comparison of my experiences and thoughts to others. I do not look at disagreements I have had here with others as being a negative whether my thought prevailed in a discussion or not. I take from those discussions and evaluate my own views, apply those thoughts where my evaluations dictate change is needed and evolve to continue my path. I've had a lot of time to think sitting in this bed and captured by the walls of this hospital. It has been a good time for reflection. I recommend anyone set aside that time though please don't get leukemia to do it (lol).
To those I may have offended along the way, my sincerest apologies, and I hope this finds its way to you. Never is it my intention to offend though I understand enough about humanity to know its impossible not to offend someone simply by breathing. I do empathize with you and your views in our discussions are and were valid and considered, always. Where I have made mistakes know that it has not fallen on deaf ears and I take it to heart to make changes in my approach to rectify and correct the trajectory of my journey here constantly. You are the catalyst for my growth. You have not impacted me negatively but helped to affect a positive change in my life and editing here. It's a small consolation, I know, if I could I would formally apologize to each I have offended to convey the sincerity of my heart. You are a jewel and I believe you are precious and I am sorry if anything I said or did damaged you in any way.
To those who have recognized the heart of me and have acknowledged it at some point over the last year, thank you. You are those I consider friend, confidant and the ones I have looked to at, specific times and in general, for strength, guidance and assistance. You have not let me down. Each of you possess something that attracted my being to yours, even if simply as passing ships in the night. It is nice to see the light of others and know I am not alone in a world that can seem, at times, so cold, distant and dark. I have known the depths of the shadow and I have known the depths of love. Love can overcome.
It has been a joy, a privilege and an honor to be among such amazing and talented people for the last twelve months. I hope to continue on this adventure with each of you and I look forward to the future of Wikipedia, my small part in it, and what may be just around the bend of the river. --ARoseWolf18:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy anniversary! It is hard to wrap my head around you being here for only a year. Seems like our spirits have known each other much longer. Sending you strength and energy for the adventures ahead. SusunW (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and GenQuest:, thank you both. I have felt the same about several people I have met here, Susun. My personal belief is that our Spirits have tapped into the musical strings of Life where Colors are born and Notes of creativity ebb and flow. We just found that the tones of our hearts, on some level, vibrate at the same frequency and this causes us to feel that depth reaching as far back as humans have existed, through time and space, in each other. It is warm and inviting. A rich and intoxicating love of fellowship. --ARoseWolf15:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am inspired by what you have written in this section. I think it is important to acknowledge milestones, such as your 1 Year Anniversary on Wikipedia. For sure, for some editors, it's inconsequential, and then for others -you, me, plus...-, it's a life-changer. Happy Anniversary, Asareel. So glad to have finally met you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, I have followed most of you for a year. Unbeknownst to me, I had people following me. Life is a web of strings attaching us to people, places and things which are, themselves, tied to other people, places and things. I see those connections through music and colors. Life is an extraordinary thing we know so little about or understand. We are constantly finding new species of life on the planet our entire human existence has known. It is estimated that we only understand about 15% to 20% of our oceans. There are still possibly hundreds, if not thousands, of new species of fauna, insect and animal yet to be discovered. The human eye, which is one of the most intricately complex cellular organs known to humans, only allows most to see approximately 5% of the known light and objects in the universe. Even with the help of telescopes and various filters we barely scratch the surface. We look out on the darkness of space and think there is nothing there but emptiness. There is so much more. More than our minds can grasp or understand with its finite yet remarkable capacity. But even the human brain is an unknown. Its estimated that the average human uses about 10% of its capacity for learning and understanding. Some utilize more and we call them genius. Mathematicians, scientist, engineers, great composers, poets, painters and sculptors in history, philosophers, doctors, and even some of the biggest villains the world has ever known were thought to use a higher percentage of their brain. The sum total of every human thought is found here on this blue oasis in a vast and complex structure that is our known universe. And that's only what we know and have seen. Some can see more. We call them gifted but in fact its just a part of reality, a part of our genetic code that is unlocked. Its not really superhuman, just more human, fueled by the desire for exploration, and grounded by the common curse that all humans face through time and space and that is the fleeting nature of our personal existence. That is why Wikipedia must succeed and why it must be driven by the need to catalogue humanity. All of its glorious triumphs and all of its less than stellar achievements. The love, the hate, the indifference, war and peace, joy and harmony, sorrow and shame. All of it needs to be recorded and all of it is important to the future understanding where it came from and how it evolved. I'm not saying it falls squarely on Wikipedia but now is the time in which we have been given and we are being asked what we will do with this time. Our decision will determine how well the future understands the strings that bind us together and whether they are able to build upon the Song that is the human existence on this universal plain. Long read, I know, but it gives you a little insight into my world and my overall goals for life which is sometimes masked by actions that seemingly don't line up but I have always had somewhat of an unorthodox way of influencing positive changes in others. --ARoseWolf14:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We had a discussion a couple of days ago .... but I cannot remember where, but I remember that you asked for a link to the University of Edinburgh's 50 plus editathons and its hereVictuallers (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Victuallers, Yes! Thank you! I am working on the list now so this is perfect timing. I am moving entries around to place them in chronological order within their section. --ARoseWolf16:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wondering if it wouldn't be best to include this in a paragraph or two about workshops supported or supporting Women in Red with a link to the page rather than listing each edit-a-thon since it coincides with our monthly events within the project itself? It also has a lot of other useful information on the page too. What do you think Ipigott? Rosiestep? --ARoseWolf16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When she says "met", Rosie means in person, by that time we had done a couple of live presentations together and cooperated on 100s of articles and dozens of editathons. We are presenting at Wikimania on the 15th August (where the emerging history will be mentioned). This will be my fifth talk at a Wikimania, my fourth virtual one and third with Rosie. I hope to add some early history for you, but it feels odd as I have learnt to ignore incomplete accounts/mistakes on Wikipedia where you are involved in the subject. Our collaboration with the BBC, Newnham College and our profile drive via DYK, Twitter and Pinterest etc. are important. Great work. Victuallers (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ARoseWolf: In some cases it may be difficult to see to what extent the WiR virtual editathons led to physical meetings and workshops. Maybe we should simply ask for reactions from our participants and those responsible for associated projects. If Rosiestep agrees, it might already be useful to send a request for reactions and suggestions to our international mailing list, perhaps with a similar request in our WiR invitation for September. I think we should also be careful not to include too many WiR events which are already listed in our template as there have also been similar activities in connection with many of the other women-related projects we have mentioned in the overview.--Ipigott (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ipigott, I definitely agree with keeping it more simple. The balance is finding at what point the list becomes so large that we lose most readers before they make it to the bottom. I don't know that having a complete list of WiR edit-a-thons and events is necessary but I do think highlighting several is important towards conveying the message the list is trying to get out there. I don't know that we simply need to add an event based on results or even participation but, like Ian mentioned, maybe reaching out and getting some feedback would help us narrow down what that criteria needs to be. Victuallers, this has always been a collaboration. If you have anything to add to the history of projects supporting women on any of the Wikimedia platforms then please do add it or let us know what you see that needs to be there. I'm the newbie here. I'm like the little school girl being inundated with so much information that I get lost reading about it all. Everything that all of you have done here leaves me in awe. It's why I felt some intimidation by even taking this on as much as I have. Rosie, Ian and you are so amazing and I put SusunW in that category too. Not that I have idols but if I did you all would be up there. There are so many more from these projects that leave me speechless. I look at all of these projects that we have added and I am blown away by the efforts of so many. Speaking of which, I don't mind saying, Rosiestep, your answers to those questions for the Board of Trustees election was superb and spot on. I thought you were thorough but not too wordy, if that makes sense. I commend you for seeking this position and I really enjoyed reading all of the answers from every candidate. --ARoseWolf13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ARoseWolf, thank you. I really appreciate our kind words.
As for how much to include vs. not include, I get that this is tricky. Personally, I'm an "Inclusionist" in the wiki world so I'dd opt for gathering all the info you can -historical record sort of thing-, and then parring it down by using the "hide" button for some of it, or even maybe a subpage if that makes sense. Today, WiR is 6 years old, but someday, we'll be 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, etc. years old. This kind of historical record that you're creating is vital to documenting the work that early Wikimedians (e.g. the first 20 years) have done. Wait too much longer, and it'll be easy to forget about who did what and when. Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, I'm glad you mentioned that because I was just thinking about the use of subpages. I can most definitely do that. I am very grateful for the opportunity to work with you all to gather together this historical account and build something that I believe will be beneficial through the years as the projects mature. I don't want the hard work of others to be forgotten or lost to time. I view what this list/article represents as a sort of Wampum belt weaving the colors of our foundation together and so that the generations that join after us know what they are building on. --ARoseWolf20:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully request that you clarify what you meant when you said "what the editor said by bringing you into the discussion was completely inappropriate". It was in reference to WP:ANI#Piotrus' concerns about User:BrownHairedGirl, however, MPants was complaining about me despite it being a different editor (Levivich) that brought an MPants thread into the BHG discussion. (Plus, I was not bringing MPants himself into the discussion, I was agreeing that it is odd that the MPants incivility thread did not result in sanctions while the BHG thread resulted in a block [although followed by an unblock, but the thread is still open]). 19:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC) TOAThe owner of all ☑️
TOA: I don't see the need in the mud slinging that so many engage in on AN/I and in Arbitration. There was only one reason to bring up another situation to try and make comparison and that is to make a personal point of disagreement and because someone has an axe to grind against the system or individuals. I have said this before and I will repeat it, everyone that is breathing is biased and for their own reasons. Levivich and I agree and disagree on things at times. You and I obviously disagree on some things. I am sure MPants and I disagree an some things. The same could be said about me and many other editors. Without interests there can be no conflict. Conflict of thought and perception can be beneficial when done with an open mind. I refuse to explain, in any detail, every comment I make about my perception or feeling concerning the approach of every editor for which I have agreed or disagreed. Primarily, because I am not here to change their point of view, only adjust and apply my own. I can agree with a principle without agreeing with the approach. I will say that the incivility and pure hatred in some of the comments I've read concerning that thread are astounding, to say the least. It's pure poison and destructive, the way human beings can treat other human beings over a disagreement. Unexpected, no and that's the part that is truly sad. That we have come to expect this kind of language and treatment as permissible in a situation where we are expected to be civilized. My opinion is that there are a lot of mad and angry people who really need some introflection and probably some time away from the computer and encyclopedia. That is all the detail I am able to offer. Excuse me if my expressing empathy for my fellow editor caused you or anyone offense. It doesn't change my opinion and it won't stop me from expressing empathy, regardless of whether the person on the other end is in the right or wrong based on consensus perception. I don't base my life philosophies or personal convictions on consensus perception. --ARoseWolf20:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Riddle
I decided to take you up on asking a riddle on your talk page! Here it goes, hopefully you haven't heard it!
"Solomon the powerful and wealthy king chooses to test his most loyal and trusted minister, Benaiah Ben Yehoyada, by asking of him an impossible task. The king asks Benaiah to find for him a ring, knowing full well that the ring does not exist, which has magic powers. “If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy,” he tells him. He expresses his desire to wear the ring for Sukkot, which is six months away. After months of searching, Benaiah finds himself, the night before Sukkot, walking through the poorest neighborhood of Jerusalem. He happens upon a jeweler, who, when asked if he’s heard of such a ring, produces from his pocket a plain gold ring, to which he adds an engravement. Benaiah reads the inscription and smiles. He returns just in time on the eve of Sukkot to give the king the ring he has requested. The king laughs and takes the ring, but upon reading the inscription, becomes very sad. What was engraved on the ring?" ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk19:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FormalDude, Can I pretend I haven't heard it? That would be dishonest. גם זה יעבור "This too shall pass". I've used that in philosophy of Life. Everything is fleeting. Its a great riddle and an even better lesson. --ARoseWolf19:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FormalDude, Una corda di cinque metri è attaccata a un cavallo. Il cavallo è distante 7 metri da una pila di fieno. Come fa il cavallo a raggiungere la paglia? Translated roughly: A 5-meter rope is tied to a horse. The horse is 7 meters from a pile of hay. How does the horse reach the straw? --ARoseWolf20:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When my Papa would ask riddles and we would answer with more questions he would say, "Are you asking or telling?" (lol) I miss that man so much. Ahhh, positive thoughts. Someone answer. --ARoseWolf20:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, sharpen your pencils: The professor's set of WikiTannicaWorld-cyclopedia on the shelf comprises ten volumes. Each volumes' page section is 2 inches thick. The front and back covers are each 1/2 inch thick. Bobbie the bookroom decides to eat his way through the collection, starting at the outside of the front cover of volume 1, and ending at the last page of volume 10. He can eat 1 inch of pages every hour, and 1 inch of cover material every two hours. What is the quickest Bobbie can finish his journey? GenQuest"scribble"20:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like something we learned in school one day. I failed miserably. I much preferred to be chasing bear cubs. The math is simple. Its 39 hours but then its most likely not the answer we are looking for. --ARoseWolf21:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm going wrong on variable q, I think that should be 1 hour since I put variable C as one inch. But that would change the result of the question to 29 total hours. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk21:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No actually I went wrong on variable r. It should be 2 hours because it takes 2 hours for the worm to eat 2 inches of pages. So each book would take 4 hours total, and at a total of ten books that would be 40 hours, but he is not eating the last cover, so that takes off one hour to give you 39 hours, as ARoseWolf said. I'm not sure how you get 33 hours. Maybe if I reverse the equation I can figure it out. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hint #2: ARoseWolf, FD Impressive formulation. Ad you are now on the right track. This one frustrated me no end when it was first proffered to me. Then (after a hint) I applied logic and visualization to it sometime later, and it was a face-palm moment. GenQuest"scribble"21:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You presented your efforts quite well, FormalDude; I've never seen anyone try a formula on this like you did. I think I used chalk, a blackboard, and a diagram eventually.
Answer: The key is you have to visualize the book collection as it would appear on the professor's shelf, that is reversed. Remember, the front cover of each book is to the right when the books are on the shelf–the back covers are on the left. So Bobbie doesn't even touch book one, since he is starting at its outside cover–he just goes to town eating through the BACK cover of book two which is to the right of him. The eight books (volumes 2–9) to the right of Bobbie's starting point take 4 hours each to tunnel through. (32 hours.) Then, at the other end, he comes out of volume 9 already at the back cover of volume ten, at which point he just eats through the back cover to get to last page (1 hour) leaving all the pages and front cover of volume 10 unmolested. Now its your turn again! GenQuest"scribble"22:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I definitely should have drawn that out visually. That is (contrary to what I said earlier) quite the riddle! Gonna be a hard one to follow. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk22:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know this one, and just want to clarify that this is the type of riddle (sometimes called lateral thinking puzzles) where you can ask yes or no questions (sometimes the answer is "it doesn't matter"). I am happy to answer such questions if FD doesn't mind. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This was fun. I recommend doing this often. Anytime anyone comes up with a riddle they can add it here. Definitely is better with more people involved. --ARoseWolf12:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Three months ago I was diagnosed with leukemia. I was listening to Andrea sing Ave Maria this morning and I didn't hear the doctor come in the room. He patiently waited for the song to finish and that's when I noticed him. I really get into the colors of some songs (lol). Three months ago I came here very sick. Today, I am officially in remission. I will be leaving this hospital before the end of the week. My temporary home here is ready for me and I am ready to move forward with life. I can not express how thankful I am for every single person here who ever had a single caring thought for me through this. I believe you have been through this with me and, though the fight is not over, we are winning. I laid here for the past hour crying, tears of relief and tears of joy. Every moment of pain, every setback, every fear was conquered by the outpouring of love, kindness and the caring spirit found all over my talk page. I am so, so, so grateful for each of you. You have been a light for me during some difficult and dark days. I tagged most of you but I am certain I missed a few. I wanted to say thank you!! --ARoseWolf13:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Asareel, I am literally crying tears of joy! My spirit knew that you were a fighter and my own battle with cancer told me that fighting an illness is just as much of a mental battle as a physical one. I am so happy for you. In the beginning of your journey I told you that I was sitting by your side. Know that I am still there. Best wishes for your speedy return to your life. SusunW (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Susun, I have felt you by my side many days. Thank you for your quiet strength. You pushed me to fight harder. This was my battle and I had to wage it. You are right, in some ways the mental side of this far outpaces the physical. I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends. That included my Wiki-family. This community is so unique. I love it. --ARoseWolf13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you've got through this. I've seen relatives who haven't been so lucky succumb to cancer and I hope that you really are on the mend. I think we often forget that behind every editor is a human being which we don't know very much about, or at least we only know what we're allowed to know. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Ritchie. You are so correct. Too many are lost to this disease every year. The very first thing my doctor told me when we started treatments is that this was a marathon. The team here told me this was going to be grueling and hard. I had no idea just how hard. But they also told me that they were going to go through it with me and help me along the way. I can definitely say that staying positive is a key element. I wanted each of you to know a little of what I was going through because I am human and I wanted you to see that side. It does kind of personalize it. --ARoseWolf13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Asareel, oh my gosh; such happy, good news! I'm here with my cup of coffee, and one of you, too, giving you a virtual hug. Thank you to modern medicine for helping my friend. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So glad to hear that you are on the mend and getting sprung soon. Stay strong and play hard. You seem to take things that life throws at you on your terms, A; and I like and admire that! It will serve you well. Very happy for you! p.s.: I will shortly have a Krispy Kreme donut in your honor—I see you already have your coffee. Many cheers, GenQuest"scribble"13:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy that Krispy Kreme, Gen (lol). I love life, the ups and downs. You can't expect to learn if you don't experience it. Even when it throws you something like this cancer, you just have to keep living until there is no life left. You have to. Its funny but I was asked if I ever had a moment to reflect on the possibilities of this being the end. No, not really. I have too many mountains to climb, too many sunrises to sing to, too many moons to howl at. Too many things to do here on this planet. Even more to do within this encyclopedia. I don't have time for that. Giving up was never and is never an option. I probably never will concern myself with the end. I will most likely be singing and dancing when it comes. --ARoseWolf15:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so very glad that everything is going well for you. It's easy to care for good people, so it's no surprise that you have so many supporters. — Ched (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ched, I have to say that one of my single most favorite moments on Wikipedia was the gift you gave to me of the Rose and the Wolf. You are a sweet and caring person. I honestly and truly love each of you. I haven't met a person here, even those I have had a disagreement with, that I don't respect and love with all my heart. We are humans and we sometimes have conflicts of interest with each other. That does not mean anyone here is my enemy. I leave room for us to be human. From the very first day I opened my eyes I have seen life in my own unique way. You have seen it through yours. How could I say I am right and you are wrong when you have never seen through my eyes and I have never seen through yours. My duty is to love and support. That's what I will do. I will always empathize even if I disagree. I celebrate our scars that reflect where we have been and the hazards of the journey. My path forward is lit so bright from the beautiful souls I have encountered along the way. --ARoseWolf15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great news, Asareel, and I'm so glad to hear you can now start relaxing again. I never had any doubts you would pull through but it's fantastic to have medical confirmation. All those difficult days in hospital have paid off and next week you'll be able to return to your friends and family. Your contributions to Wikipedia while in hospital have been impressive. I hope you can still find time for us when you get back home. Please let me know if there's anything I can help you with, either on Wikipedia or more generally. Even if you have not been able to see their smiling faces, you obviously have been in the hands of dedicated medical staff. It's so good to hear that they have once again been successful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ian, I don't plan to ever leave this community and I will always do what I can to offer support and assistance where I am able. I still have a journey to seeing all of my family again. I will have to stay close by for additional testing over the next few months to confirm I am in full remission before going home to stay but this is a monumental step. This medical team has been phenomenal from day one. I was so blessed to have them taking care of me. My contributions here seem so small but I enjoy doing them and I fully plan to continue and hopefully become more involved. --ARoseWolf15:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ave Maria! Returning from an outing with friend, after a great time with others yesterday, I am late to this thread. I dedicate a butterfly to you and your wonderful resilience. Never saw a thing like that butterfly with transparent wings, and never a thing like your strength. How do you like this Ave Maria, sung by Chanticleer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh Gerda!! You have no idea how much you have meant to me. I think I've probably turned to you during the hardest days just trying to stay positive and look to the future. It was hard. I never thought about giving up but there were times when I lost motivation. A picture, a kind word, a cheerful attitude picked me up when I needed it most. You introduced me to so many amazing people I never had the opportunity to meet here, some I have, and opened their Song up to me. You have had such a massive impact on my brief time here as an editor. Thank you for everything and the butterfly too. I don't believe you captured this picture by coincidence, my friend. --ARoseWolf15:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is wonderful news! You have a strong spririt, and that combined with the excellent medical care licked the leukemia. I'm certain the remission will continue throughout the next few months and into years. You've got this! I never had any doubts that you would get through this with flying colors (pun intended). I will eat some New Mexico green chile in your honor with my breakfast tamale! (Chile and coffee are my drugs of choice, ha ha!) Blessings to all. Netherzone (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone, Yes, Yes! Eat a chile for me. Thank you for your faith in my recovery. The medical team here definitely was an enormous factor. I am just so excited! I am beside myself. The nurse came in for vitals and told me I am simply glowing. Probably all the radioactivity but, hey, glow any way you can (lol). Honestly though, it's me reflecting the beautiful light that is everyone here. You all are my blessing. --ARoseWolf16:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Hi, fellow chile lover! I swear by the fact that chile is serious medicine. Sometimes in the Fall I will buy a ten pound sack, roast it, peel it, and freeze it for the coming cold weather. I never wear gloves, and absorbing the chile juice through the skin like that makes EVERY little ache and pain throughout my body go away - for days. I think it also has mood-elevating properties that give a person a sense of well being. And it makes the house smell so good. Sounds like you have a great chile sauce collection; I will have to look for Marie Sharp's. Netherzone (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone and ARoseWolf: And in honor of Alaska, her "Smokin' Marie's" was inspired when she watched Salmon being smoked there. OMG, it is divine! And yes, living in the land of no winter (yay!) we get all sorts of chiles fresh year round. The do have amazing healing properties.
@Netherzone and SusunW: I keep an herb garden inside and we have a small greenhouse that I grow some vegetables in during the growing time which isn't long. My favorite is wildflower salads. I can grow things a little longer because of the heated greenhouse but nothing is going to hold by -60°F for long so I am still limited by that. My eldest brother wants to build a larger greenhouse but, I keep telling him and he understands, the larger it is the harder it is to keep warm. We may have to go with several smaller ones. --ARoseWolf19:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Mmmm, girl, we need cultural exchange time. I'm petitioning the UN. I'll bring the wild flower salad, you bring the chile's and hot sauce. Netherzone, you want in on this? You can bring Tamale's. Its been a while since I've had a good one. --20:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OMG, ARoseWolf, fabulous idea! Netherzone there is a torilliaria 1/2 a block from my house where we can get masa freshly ground (methinks customs wouldn't let you bring it in). Also here they do tamales in banana leaves rather than corn husks. It'd be cool to make both so we can compare. I have banana trees in the back yard, as well as a chaya bush (tree spinach), which makes amaaaaaazing tamales. I shall try very hard not to eat up all my Smokin' Marie's, because right now travel to and from Belize is limited. (Usually I have a steady supply as every visitor from there knows what to bring me, LOL) SusunW (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, Yummy, freshly made masa and a selection of banana leaf and corn husk tamales, with different fillings. I'm not a vegetarian, so I do eat pork & red chile tamales and chicken and green chile tamales, but cheese and green chile is one of my favorites also. I sometimes make slightly sweet breakfast tamales with dried fruit filling that gets softened during the steaming process. Pour a little cream on top before eating, and wow! Do you use the chaya as a filling or a wrapping? Tree spinach sounds AMAZING! Are you in Belize? For some reason I thought Costa Rica. Netherzone (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone Southern Mexico now (Yucatán), but before that in Belize. I'm not a vegetarian either, but I do eat vegetarian a lot. Chaya, cheese and caramelized onions with or without grilled meat is typical here and I love green chile or red chiles in them. That fruit one sounds amazing. SusunW (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so happy to hear this news, and so happy for you! (I take it as a victory whenever I log in here and find good news instead of bad.) We only crossed editing paths recently, but I can truly say that every interaction we have had has been an absolute pleasure. And the thought of a greenhouse full of vegetables is such a lovely one. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Tryp. I agree that it has been a pleasure. I try to keep it that way though the opposite is sometimes unavoidable. it's especially lovely when you can have a greenhouse full of fruits and vegetables in the Arctic Circle. It looks like a rain forest in my little greenhouse during the short growing season (lol). With my sickness this year the greenhouse is, sadly, dormant. I've been helping them prepare from here as much as I can. We would normally start winter supply runs this month but we are two weeks behind on those already. It's going to be close. The first real snows could fall as soon as the end of September into early October so the race is on. They will be starting to get some twilight now but only about four to five hours of it. We will start seeing temps on the decline now. High's everyday are in the upper 40's to low 50's and it will get down to near freezing at night. In September it really starts declining fast. In another three to four weeks we will see low temps drop into the lower 20's and 10's. --ARoseWolf12:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Atsme, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! --ARoseWolf19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is wonderful to hear, my friend. I saw your ping almost immediately but have wondered how to respond to something so joyous. But as I went on a walk tonight, thinking of what to say, I looked at the sky, weblike with its stars, punctured, the moon occluded by its own shadow, I thought about navigating knowledge and fragility and incompleteness and the impossible task of representation. (I think of the quote I shared before.) There is a wonderful song by Cap'n Jazz, "Oh Messy Life", that I have loved since I first heard it - and which has made its way into many of the papers I've written over the years, from subjects ranging from pure math to epistemology. "Fire is motion / Work is repetition / This is my document / We are all all we've done". Your life is your document - and that includes Wikipedia - and you are so much. Urve (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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