User talk:Moni3

The thing that makes you exceptional, if you are at all, is inevitably that which must also make you lonely.
—Lorraine Hansberry

Münchausen by Internet

I believe this articles bests suits under the medicine project as it talks about an specific syndrome. It would be great if it would follow WP:MEDMOS in its sections and WP:MEDRS in its sources (altough referencing is already quite good). This would be specially important to become a GA.--Garrondo (talk) 09:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you suggest in the way of article layout in light of the fact that what is cited is just about what there is on the topic? I don't have access to two medical journal articles that I might be able to add info about. One of them I believe is a more clinical look at the Kaycee Nicole hoax. I'm not sure what the other one is. There is a book chapter by Feldman on it, but I did not find anything in the book chapter that was not previously covered in the journal articles already cited. The article at GAN right now, but under Internet culture. --Moni3 (talk) 12:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That would be psychology project, rather than medicine project, of course. I don't think anyone's proposed a major biological basis for the factitious disorders yet, although there are very likely biological risk factors we don't know about yet.

Here's the list of stuff I found on EBSCO and Medline on Munchausen by Internet. Some is probably duplicate to what you already have, some looked novel -- I didn't cross-check. The ones that are not available full-text you can probably get from interlibrary loan at an academic library. Let me know if you have trouble -- If full-text is available, I can get that easily. I don't mind asking for a few ILL things myself, but I don't want to take undue advantage of the reference librarians for projects not really related to my official existence.

Also check here: www-usr.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/psycyber.html Mirafra (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Munchausen's syndrome by Google.Citation Only Available (eng; includes abstract) By Griffiths EJ, Kampa R, Pearce C, Sakellariou A, Solan MC, Annals Of The Royal College Of Surgeons Of England [Ann R Coll Surg Engl], ISSN: 1478-7083, 2009 Mar; Vol. 91 (2), pp. 159-60; PMID: 19317939 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

The article addresses a woman who complained of persistent ankle dislocation, with a history of multiple hospital visits in Australia and the UK, who presented to doctors with an X-ray copy she printed from the internet. The article alerts physicians to the possibility that factitious disorder patients may be getting information from the internet that they use to exaggerate their claims.

Delusional parasitosis facilitated by web-based dissemination.Citation Only Available Vila-Rodriguez, Fidel; Macewan, Bill G.; American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 165(12), Dec, 2008. pp. 1612. [Letter] Database: PsycINFO

This is a letter discussing a 57-y.o. male with a past of drug abuse and schizophrenia who was convinced he had parasitosis, and a family of a 2-year-old who launched an unprecedented publicity and lobbying campaign to find the name of a condition that clinical perceptions acknowledge to be delusional parasitosis. The 57-y.o. presented himself as having the same condition as the 2-year-old after reading about it on the internet. The letter writers' point is that the internet can mislead patients, and when people go online or participate in support groups with others who confirm their diagnostic fears, such communities can perpetuate false perceptions and they become delusional when a community supports their concerns.

{Münchausen syndrome with forgery on biologic results. A case report}Citation Only Available Pseudoleucémie par falsification d'examens biologiques: genèse d'un syndrome de Münchausen. (fre; includes abstract) By Thabuy F, Marzac C, Renaud MC, Fardet L, Tiev K, Tolédano C, Texier PL, Cabane J, Kettaneh A, La Revue De Médecine Interne / Fondée ... Par La Société Nationale Francaise De Médecine Interne [Rev Med Interne], ISSN: 0248-8663, 2008 Nov; Vol. 29 (11), pp. 924-8; PMID: 18387714 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

In French.

A simulated case of chronic myeloid leukemia: the growing risk of Munchausen's syndrome by internet.Citation Only Available (eng) By Caocci G, Pisu S, La Nasa G, Leukemia & Lymphoma [Leuk Lymphoma], ISSN: 1029-2403, 2008 Sep; Vol. 49 (9), pp. 1826-8; PMID: 18608864 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

Legal issues surrounding the exposure of 'Munchausen by Internet.'Citation Only Available Feldman, Marc D.; Peychers, M. E.; Psychosomatics: Journal of Consultation Liaison Psychiatry, Vol 48(5), Sep-Oct, 2007. pp. 451-452. [Letter]Database: PsycINFO Full Text from ProQuest

Legal issues surrounding the exposure of "Munchausen by Internet".Citation Only Available (eng) By Feldman MD, Peychers ME, Psychosomatics [Psychosomatics], ISSN: 0033-3182, 2007 Sep-Oct; Vol. 48 (5), pp. 451-2; PMID: 17878508 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text Full Text from ProQuest

Factitious Ovarian Cancer: Feigning via Resources on the Internet.Citation Only Available Levenson, James L.; Chafe, Weldon; Flanagan, Phelicia; Psychosomatics: Journal of Consultation Liaison Psychiatry, Vol 48(1), Jan-Feb, 2007. pp. 71-73. [Journal Article] Database: PsycINFO Full Text from ProQuest

Article discusses a woman who presented to doctors with ovarian cancer after researching on the internet. Does not discuss manifestation of presenting a medical crisis over the internet.

Forensic web watch--medicolegal aspects of paediatric pathology.Citation Only Available (eng; includes abstract) By Liggett A, Swift B, Journal Of Clinical Forensic Medicine [J Clin Forensic Med], ISSN: 1353-1131, 2003 Sep; Vol. 10 (3), pp. 201-4; PMID: 15275022 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

Article discusses internet coverage of child abuse cases in the area of pediatric forensic pathology. It mentions Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

Munchausen's syndrome by proxy web-mediated in a child with factitious hyperglycemia.Citation Only Available (eng) By Vanelli M, The Journal Of Pediatrics [J Pediatr], ISSN: 0022-3476, 2002 Dec; Vol. 141 (6), pp. 839; PMID: 12461506 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

Letter written about a parent who used the internet to research hyperglycemia and subsequently masked his daughter's blood glucose by fabricating a blood sugar diary.

Gaining vicarious self-esteem through associations with medical doctors: A self-enhancement explanation for factitious illness behavior.Citation Only Available Waxmonsky, Jeanette Audrey; Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: The Sciences and Engineering, Vol 63(5-B), Nov, 2002. pp. 2612. [Dissertation] Database: PsycINFO Full Text from ProQuest

Dissertation on Factitious disorder. May offer insights on motivation, but not directly related to internet communications.

{Munchausen syndrome mimicking Meniere's disease}Citation Only Available Syndrome de Munchausen mimant une maladie de Menière. (fre; includes abstract) By Kos MI, Guyot JP, Annales D'oto-Laryngologie Et De Chirurgie Cervico Faciale: Bulletin De La Société D'oto-Laryngologie Des Hôpitaux De Paris [Ann Otolaryngol Chir Cervicofac], ISSN: 0003-438X, 2002; Vol. 119 (3), pp. 159-63; PMID: 12218870 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

In French.

Munchausen by Internet: detecting factitious illness and crisis on the Internet.Full Text Available (eng; includes abstract) By Feldman MD, Southern Medical Journal [South Med J], ISSN: 0038-4348, 2000 Jul; Vol. 93 (7), pp. 669-72; PMID: 10923952 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text HTML Full Text PDF Full Text

Patient pretenders weave tangled "Web" of deceit.Citation Only Available (eng) By Stephenson J, JAMA: The Journal Of The American Medical Association [JAMA], ISSN: 0098-7484, 1998 Oct 21; Vol. 280 (15), pp. 1297; PMID: 9794296 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

Responses to unsolicited patient e-mail requests for medical advice on the World Wide Web.Citation Only Available (eng; includes abstract) By Eysenbach G, Diepgen TL, JAMA: The Journal Of The American Medical Association [JAMA], ISSN: 0098-7484, 1998 Oct 21; Vol. 280 (15), pp. 1333-5; PMID: 9794313 Database: MEDLINE with Full Text

Article discusses medical responses to potential patient emails asking about a condition they may have learned about online. Factitious disorder is not mentioned or alluded to in the article.

Thanks, Mirafra! I'll try to get hold of these over the next few weeks. --Moni3 (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

• Amanda Baggs [[1]] [[2]], a potential case of Munchausen by Internet, with, standard Munchausen (ie, her complex and strategic use of doctors, her selective presentation of her own medical records on her website [[3]]. Autism diagnoses start in 2000, 20 years old, she claimed DID (multiple personality) in 1994 to ___, then Schizophrenia in about 1996 to ___, then Autism in about 1998 and especially 2000.--CommunityCenter station2 (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
• May also be a case of Selective Autism, analogous to Selective Mutism [[4]]. Starting in about 2000, but especially in 2007 with her YouTube video. Above report shows CNN's statement that her youtube video popularity (about 500,000 hits in 2007) was their primary reason to do a story on her ..... they call her a "YouTube sensation", etc.--CommunityCenter station2 (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of this case. I reliable source and an expert in the field must state she is an example of Munchausen by Internet before it can be added to the article. --Moni3 (talk) 12:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello?

Hi Moni,

Whassup? I dunno, I'm Catholic and AcoA enough to think, "Moni's ignoring me; she must be mad at me!" But of course, I hear a horn honk whilst driving and the first thing that comes into my mind is, "What'd I do?" So I choose to believe that you've been busy or having a senior moment or something. So would it be insulting if I were to go ahead and put History of Sesame Street up for peer review? Like I said last week, I've been working on Angelou articles, but I'd like to move forward with the history article. I'm also thinking about putting up Singin' and Swingin' and Gettin' Merry Like Christmas through the FA process, but later on, so I don't overwhelm myself. That way, I'd be eligible for one of those cool Four awards. Anyway, hope you're having a nice Advent! --Christine (talk) 14:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring you. I'm in some kind of Wikipedia action limbo. Not so disillusioned that I can tell everyone to piss off and retire, not temporarily insane enough to force myself to take a break, but not motivated to do anything else, like improve the articles I constructed or review other ones. I do not know to what I owe this malaise nor how to escape from it right now. Any ideas, talk page stalkers?

But on to things you give a shit about: I think you're safe enough to re-nominate the article. Give me a few days and I may be roused enough to review it. --Moni3 (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

When I feel that way I patrol CAT:CSD and leave helpful messages for newbies who have no clue what they are doing. Every once in a while I connect with an excited new user and end up pseudo-mentoring them. Their enthusiasm tends to spark the same in me. And sometimes I go find a bunch of books/articles on a topic unlike anything I've written about before and start reading...and that inspires me to begin writing again. Good luck! Karanacs (talk) 15:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes when I feel like that, I decide to learn something new. Whenever I pick up a new topic I get excited about learning all over again. Earlier this semester, I learned how to make a webpage, for example. Awadewit (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The butterfly queen of ADD topic skipping, aka ME, might not want to do that. At times I think I spread myself too thin, welcoming intellectual catnaps such as the one I am in now. The CSD idea is an interesting one. But then, wandering around till I fall face down in a puddle of my own drool is also alluring. --Moni3 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I enjoy CSD tagging when I feel that wikiennui, I find it cathartic. I used to consider myself an inclusionist, but now I think that wikipedia would be greatly improved if 80% of its articles were deleted. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 15:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I recently took a few days off Wikipedia to stare at stuff instead of be productive. Somehow I found my way to an sophomoric humor website stocked primarily with boner jokes. Not sure why I would find that so hilarious, but it was a new experience. I came across this article titled 7 reasons why the 21st century is making you miserable that keys in a lot to what frustrates me so much about Wikipedia sometimes. Specifically the points about criticism, online company making us lonelier, outrage machines, and feeling worthless. Curious about what others think when it relates to Wikipedia. --Moni3 (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

That was going to be my advice, to just take some time off, and go watch silly things on YouTube (Muppets videos always do it for me, like this one [5], which is wonderfully Muppetery weird). If I could psychoanalysis you a bit, my dear, I would say that you've been through a lot emotionally the past several weeks. You've recently gone through a significant loss, ya know. You worked on Amazing Grace, which could've contributed to your malaise, which by the way, I do give a shit about! (I find that I also get a case of the doldrums right after emotional and spiritual experiences. I hafta say, when I saw that you had worked on Amazing Grace, it warmed the cackles of my cotton-pickin' little heart.) So give yourself some time and...wait for it...grace.

So would any of Moni's talk page stalkers like to peer review History of Sesame Street? I guarantee that it will give you a little emotional lift. And while you're at it, maybe you could ease Moni's burden by promoting it to GA, if you think it deserves it. ;) --Christine (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Moni, given how attuned you seem to be to wackiness and shenanigans in general, you may have already seen this, but, if not, watching Forklift Driver Klaus - The First Day on the Job may lift your spirits. Nothing intellectual about it, but the good old (educational!) German carnage may well inspire dutiful action, or at least provide some blood to keep your drool company (puddles do need companionship, right?) Эlcobbola _talk 17:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Christine, good advice. To illustrate the deliberate neglect of using my brain, I downloaded several songs from Wham!, spent much of my Thanksgiving weekend playing a stupid match 3 computer game, and gained some perspective on how crazy I am not by watching Hoarders. Combined with all the dick jokes on cracked.com (fartminge? thundercunt?) the days I spent not editing were quite diverting. I wish I could see that film, Elcobbola. I need a good shocking laugh. Maybe I'll spend some time watching Mystery Science Theater's educational short films.

After voting for ArbCom, in case anyone running cares, here's my statement for posterity: if you screw up and have to make some huge confession of misdeeds, or worse that it's reported in a major newspaper like the whoring governor of South Carolina, and I voted for you, you suck. But I suck worse for voting for you. So don't do that. Seriously. --Moni3 (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Just for the record, Moni, no matter how much I screw up (and I do!), and not even remembering whether or not you voted for me, I am pretty sure I will never equal the whoring governor of South Carolina. Although I'm not entirely certain which part is worse, the whoring or the governorship. Risker (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I suspect becoming a governor fries the brain. The idiot "running" my state wants to secede- illegally. Setting aside the whole voting thing, I'm embarrassed that we attended the same school. Karanacs (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

That's hardly the worst thing Rick Perry has done - I'm currently a little more bothered by this. Because, let's face it, Texas will never actually secede - that's just transparent pandering to utter lunatics his base, so he doesn't get out-crazied by a challenger from the right in the primary. But he may have signed off on an innocent man's execution despite evidence of that innocence, and he definitely seems to be quashing the follow-up investigation until he's safely re-elected. And to cut Sanford some slack, he's just a guy who met his soul mate a little late in life and happened to be married. It's messy, but it happens - a lot of the kids I went to school with had parents who had divorced under similar circumstances. The title of Whoring Governor must be earned. MastCell ^Talk 19:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I voted for you, Risker. No tearful confessions of the Jimmy Swaggart type. No leaving Wikipedia alone for months while you freaky freak your soulmate on another continent without appointing someone to make life-saving and life-altering decisions in your stead. No declaring yourself the Solemn Nation of Riskerpedia and plagiarizing everything I've written on your own site. No bad Son of Risker sequels who battle it out with your antagonists in epically pathetic edit wars. I feel like grabbing a habit and a ruler and whapping knuckles. --Moni3 (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I promise, Moni! Really I do. High dudgeon for me would be "Damn, sorry, I messed up." And should I ever plagiarise you, I promise to include an external link. (You know your life is overtaken by Wikipedia when you include words in wikilinks when writing business emails.) Risker (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I once signed a work email with 4 tildes. Karanacs (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't tease you with an unwatchable movie. The last link on the page is the YouTube file. Who says violating WP:COPYVIO is always a bad thing? :) Эlcobbola _talk 19:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Moni, although I gave it my best effort, I can't find those boner jokes on that website; please point me to them (frat boy boner jokes will counter bluejays, wood chippers, and unfortunate Christmas cards any day). Regarding the "7 reasons", I have mixed thoughts. One of my four dearest friends is a remarkable woman I first met and knew for a very long time on the internet, before we became close IRL; if not for the internet, my life would not be graced by her friendship. And ... since I don't like to expose myself to friends after crying all night (the crazy whore factor), I've not answered the phone since last night and have appreciated the e-mails I've gotten. But I noticed the weirdest breach of etiquette, an internet-induced discourtesy. Everyone knows my dog was my son's, and how much he adored that dog, and that he's away at college. I have at least half a dozen people sending their thoughts to me on Facebook who are as close to my son as to me, adding on "Please tell your son ... " and yet every one of them has my son on their Friend list, and not one of them has gone to his page to say a word to him. What a perfectly strange thing ... it wouldn't take a second to drop him a note on FB, and it seems the most basic common courtesy ... internet-induced efficiency leading to thoughtlessness ... they can post to one place, my page, and know he'll see it. How impersonal. Damn: I'd best finish my ArbCom page before I get in touch with my inner bitch. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

PS, the quote at the top of your page is priceless. Here's a sappy one for you and me:

• Where you used to be, there is a hole in the world, which I find myself constantly walking around in the daytime, and falling in at night. I miss you like hell. ~Edna St Vincent Millay

Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Boners, James Bond's boners, worst porn ever, sex lessons you never got but should have, types of internet trolls (a different kind of dick), errant sex tips from Cosmo...srsly...keep going. --Moni3 (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're a fan of Flight of the Conchords (or if even if you've never heard of them), I'd recommend this probable copyright violation. MastCell ^Talk 20:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I have never seen that before. However I could not watch it all the way through without the woman sitting behind me singing, "It's business...It's business tiiiimme". Apparently she has seen it. Love the idea and I'll watch it through all the way when I'm not at work. I countered her singing along with sending her to see Klaus. She says he's the angel of death. "Manga blood! Look at that!" A very productive day. --Moni3 (talk) 21:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I did have a long term flash mob-type idea for the birds wikiproject. A while ago we had a run of red-x'ed critters, and mused a while that if we buffed up 20 or 30 bird species beginning with "Red-.." it'd make the WP:FA page look pretty funny... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

@Mastcell, I remembered that episode, but this was another of my favourite ones :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Bambi effect

I tweaked the paragraph that you asked to be clarified. I hope that suffices; if not, please drop me a line. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

What is wrong with you?!?!111

"hiding one's radioactive superpowers and siding with Mothra against Godzilla"

Clearly, -Mothra- is the good guy. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

You should resign from ArbCom. I demand it now. --Moni3 (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I haven't even won a seat and you already want me gone. :( !!!!!!!!!!!1111111 Ottava Rima (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Specify why http://www.special-guests.com is unreliable.

You claim that "http://www.special-guests.com/reisman4.html is not a reliable source per WP:RS". Explain why this source is unreliable. MichaelZoe (talk) 22:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:RS, Articles should rely on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

• It is written completely in first person.
• The site hosting the source is not a third party that fact checks. Anyone may write anything they wish, it seems.
• The author cites not sources. These claims should be in a publication that is peer reviewed, such as a scholarly journal or a prestigious newspaper.

What makes you think it adheres to Wikipedia's reliability policy? --Moni3 (talk) 23:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

You're invited!

Wikipedia:Meetup/Miami 3 is coming up in the near future, you are invited to participate. Thanks Secret ^account 17:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Artistic...

I can do it... but it's not always the best for an encyclopedia. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I was going to post something hilarious, but the cold meds give me an even shorter attention span for pancakes. But remember this: I may have left the house this morning without my pants, and the bees will come to kill us all.

Bees. --Moni3 (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration Motion's regarding Mattisse

The Arbitration Committee has passed a motion amending Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse The full voting and discussion for the original clarification and motions can be found here

• Mattisse (talk · contribs) is placed under a conduct probation for one year. Any of Mattisse's mentors may impose sanctions on his or her own discretion if, despite being warned or otherwise advised, Mattisse repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to any expected standards of behavior and decorum.
• Editors are reminded that baiting, antagonistic comments, and other such behavior is disruptive. Uninvolved administrators are encouraged to handle such circumstances as they would any other disruptive conduct, including appropriate warnings and advice, short page bans, as well as escalating blocks for repeated or egregious misconduct.
• Editing of the the page User:Mattisse/Monitoring, as well as its talk page and any other pages created for the purposes of carrying out the mentorship, shall be limited to Mattisse (talk · contribs) and her mentors for the duration of the mentorship. Users wishing to comment upon any aspect of the mentorship may contact the mentors directly, or on a subpage designated for such a purpose. Modified by next two motions.
• "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Alerts" will be set up for the community to report issues to the mentors.
• User:Mattisse/Monitoring is moved to "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Monitoring".

For the Arbitration Committee,

Seddon ^talk|^WikimediaUK 01:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Original Annoucement

Ottava Rima

Sorry if you feel offended. My intent was only to make some points in Ottava Rima's defense that may not have been made in previous discussion. I will say no more and he can, of course, delete unwanted content from his talk page. Be well. 173.52.187.133 (talk) 19:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not offended. I assume you put all the effort into your post because you think someone is going to read it and respond or care. OR's talk page probably will not elicit that kind of response. --Moni3 (talk) 19:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Salve. It was not very much effort, and there was no expectation that I could say anything that will change WP. I do not see how OR could be an issue when everything on the page at the moment is an expression of personal sentiment. I would not have said anything on Ottava Rima's page at all if it were not for MZMcBride's edit which I though a little disrespectful (although I doubt disrespect was his intent), and which was unanswered. Feel free to remove anything of my edits there you choose. I will not object. Be well. 173.52.187.133 (talk) 19:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the unending smoke-colored snow, I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our hill and hear the music rising from them up the long, steady falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into bed. I said some words to the close and holy darkness, and then I slept. — Dylan Thomas, A Child's Christmas in Wales Peace and joy this holiday season. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

As I've said elsewhere... hope this card isn't too spammy. It's one of the few things I really love to read this time of year. Best to you and yours, Kafka Liz (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

No message from you is spam. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas. --Moni3 (talk) 00:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Mass tagging of ABBA

You're on a quest to find all the right citations for this article, right? Otherwise, mass fact tagging like this makes it seem as if someone else should find all the cites for the article.

Don't get me wrong: the article should be cited, but here you have a perfect opportunity to do it yourself. That's what Wikipedia is for. I've done it many times. There is work behind the tag. Are you willing to do it? --Moni3 (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Tagging is the first step. Yeng-Wang-Yeh (talk) 18:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to make sure that you had other steps planned. Is this the case? Will you be finding cites for all these tags? --Moni3 (talk) 18:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

TPS stalker question: image ghosts

When imaged are re-loaded for better versions, sometimes the previous notgood version shows. I don't know why.

See Amazing Grace, portrait of John Newton, which should look like the good version I uploaded here: File:Newton j.jpg. The article, however, shows the previous version, kinda blue and bloated.

Another instance is in Palmetto Leaves in this section, where the illustration of "Old Cudjo and the Angel" has a wide border around it, but I cropped it, re-uploaded it to File:Old Cudjo illustration in Palmetto Leaves.jpg without the border. Yet it still shows up in the article.

Am I the only one who sees this? I'm sure I'm missing the smallest punctuation mark in code that I should know...magically somehow... to fix this. Anyone know what the magic code is? --Moni3 (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

• bump*

I see the same thing you describe, Moni, but I have no idea why. Weird! LadyofShalott 18:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Carlaude also shows the old image of Newton. LadyofShalott 18:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm seeing the new images on all three pages. I think you (plural) might have cached an old version of the pages/images. If you follow the instructions at WP:BYPASS and/or WP:PURGE it might do the trick.  Skomorokh  18:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I have never looked at those articles before clicking on Moni's links above though. <shrug> LadyofShalott 19:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I see this on two separate computers: my mac laptop at home, and a PC at work. The John Newton image just started doing that when it was shifted to Commons and deleted from Wikipedia. Except, I switched out both the Wikipedia and the Commons images. I am thoroughly confused. --Moni3 (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Obviously, your computers are possessed. I cast out the demons! You're welcome. APK whisper in my ear 21:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I've had the same problem. The way I get round it is to give the image I'm uploading a different name from the one I uploaded earlier—obviously the destination file name remains the same though. Works every time. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:45, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Chalk me up as another who's had this problem. Sometimes clearing the cache resolves the problem, but, more often than not, it does not. It has, however, always resolved itself in time. Sometimes making a null edit (or substantive one, for that matter) to the section containing the image remedies the issue as well. Эlcobbola _talk 22:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

The Wordsmith^Communicate is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

oh thank you!

Moni, how delightful to receive a greeting from you! When I look at my sentence structure, I sometimes think: erk. Do have a nice break. It's a few weeks of good relaxation, which of course I've wasted by being an ArbCom election coordinator—time Sandy think would have been much better spent slaving away at FAC. :-)

2010 is going to be a good year for WP and for all of us. Tony (talk) 15:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Wasted? Has an ArbCom case been opened? What a measure of success. No virtual blood has been shed. Should that make us proud or ashamed? I don't know. I look forward to the next decade, because this one kind of sucked. September 11, Hurricane Katrina and the three others I went through in 2004, a miserable divisive presidential administration, and quitting teaching--which was the hardest thing I've ever done. But there were some very good times. I met someone extraordinary and got married, I began painting as if it was a gift dropped on my head, and I came to Wikipedia and grew in thirty different ways during this decade.

Here's hoping more knowledge and understanding does not mean the same amount of sadness also comes with it. --Moni3 (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings and all that ...

		Happy Holidays
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

To you, too!

How wonderful it is to receive a Christmas greeting from Moni3! I think that one of the best things that happened to me WP-wise was gaining you as a wiki-friend. You inspire me to give back to this project. For 2010, I will venture into Sesame Street and Maya Angelou FACs, and will look forward to following your exploits as well. Hope that you and yours have a blessed holiday, too. Thank you. --Christine (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, what she said. I wish we could come down to Gainesville this week, but with so little time off from school (and so many people traveling at the same time) it's just not in the cards. So have dinner at La Fiesta for me, and have yourself a merry little Winter Solstice. Cheers! Scartol • Tok 20:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Is this the queue? Shall we break into a rousing rendition of Jingle Dogs/Cats or something? Feliz Navidad, Moni! Have a holly, jolly Christmas. Make the yule-tide gay. (Okay, I'm all out of Xmas songs, promise.) 2009 has been crazy-busy for me -- in a good way -- but 2010 is looking a lot less hectic, which will hopefully lead to some interesting wiki endeavors. :) When are you in town? We should totally meet up. María (habla conmigo) 21:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

We're doing the red train in St. Augustine tonight. Hope you know what that means. We'll be doing that around 6 pm, I think. Otherwise, we'll be in the area until the 26th and back again from the 30-31. What do you think? --Moni3 (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

We will have the roasted beast with a few family members and make merry. I wish that all of you could come by and enjoy a quaint Northern Idaho Christmas. Don't worry--we're in a college town that makes Idaho a little bluer, so you gays are safe. Love-love! ;) --Christine (talk) 22:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Mutual about getting to know you here, Christine. I spent many happy years in Colorado enjoying the holiday season there and it is indeed a beautiful time, just as I imagine Idaho is. Once I drove 30 minutes through Idaho.... It's just as beautiful here, though. Wish you could see the old part of St. Augustine lit up completely, palm trees and all.

And to Scartol, please let me know the next time you are down here. I hope your real life work load lets up somewhat. I miss seeing you around here regularly. --Moni3 (talk) 00:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I can highly recommend Idaho - I spent some time with family in Boise and Pocatello....and Yellowstone is cool...:) Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Moni, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas! (And the whole slightly drunken thing would have fit in very well at my family gatherings...it's actually required at one of them ;)) Here's to 2010 being a much less stressful wiki-year. Karanacs (talk) 02:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, Casliber, that's southern Idaho; I'm talking Northern Idaho, which is way better and prettier than the more drier parts of the state. I'm not a native, but only moved here six years ago from California, and have never looked back. There are seasons here! There are no ugly times of the year here, unless you count the times when the snow's melting and black from the road salt. Then a nice rain comes and it's pretty again. The fall, which is my favorite time of year, can be breathtaking with the colors when the trees change. Actually, that's when I fell in love with little ole' Moscow, Idaho. Wouldn't live anywhere else in the world. Plus, the services for the kids are probably the best in the country. Affordable, eclectic, diverse, and close enough to bigger cities like Spokane and even Seattle. The only thing I miss is the really good restaurants, although there's a new sushi place that just opened up in town that's not half-bad. --Christine (talk) 05:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I like Seattle, so if that ain't too far, it ain't half bad ;) sounds lovely - I have family tying me down to urban living so am jealous of those that can afford acreage of some sort. We did drive up and take a look at Mt St Helens in 1991, which was amazing....Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Will you adopt....

this lonely Valais Blackneck wandered onto my farm...(switzerland is right next to Sydney you know), will you adopt him? Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, gee. Let's see. What's the coin return on such an animal? I already have 10 alien cows....hmmm... --Moni3 (talk) 00:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

	<font=3> Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2010! Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

May your stocking be stuffed with barnstars and DYKs. Finetooth (talk) 05:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

And now, for FV's traditional last-minute nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Here’s wishing you a happy end to the holiday season and a wonderful 2010. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:27, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Dreaming of Wikipedia

I've dreamt of Wikipedians whom I've never met before, making it an awkward discussion with shadow-people since my mind cannot picture them.

Last night I dreamt I was being accused of making up the shit in Birmingham campaign. Rather, and more accurately, Wikpedia was being accused of exaggerating the events of the article and it was about to be placed up for deletion. It was a struggle to make reasonable statements refuting these accusations, and not stooping to calling the accusers the idiots they were. I lost that struggle a few times. --Moni3 (talk) 15:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

That's intense, mine was just of blue and black letters on white screen.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

o.o NW (Talk) 22:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Juliancolton's RfB

Hey there Moni. I saw your vote at Julian's RfB, and it seemed...inconsistent to me. Looking at a past couple of successful RfBs, I don't see any similar oppose of yours at Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Nihonjoe 4, Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/MBisanz, or Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Avraham 3. While it is perfectly fine to just oppose one candidate for lack of work in contentious areas, neither Nihonjoe, MBisanz, or Avraham had substantially more work than Julian in a contentious area (and indeed, they all have far less total content work). Other stuff does exist, and all that, but still, I'm not sure if it is quite fair to single out Julian for lack of content work. Feel free to respond; I would be happy to discuss this further. Best regards, NW (Talk) 22:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This is an interesting and challenging question and has no simple answer. But here are my multiple answers nonetheless. I did not vote in those RfBs because I did not know they were happening. I am just that deliberately sheltered. I used to have the RfA page on watch, but that drove me nuts and dumped it. I only saw that Julian was up for bureaucrat because I tripped over it on someone else's talk page. This happened both times.

So if you prefer consistency, then under what parameters? Should I vote in all RfBs? Is it my duty to do so? Is my !vote and related commentary invalidated because I miss one or all other RfB votes? Ever the quiet rebel that I am, I just posted what I thought. --Moni3 (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense to me. I was just wondering, would you have voted similarly in the other three cases? NW (Talk) 23:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

As a side note, I'm not sure I agree with your analysis of those earlier candidates. MBisanz was active as both an Arbitration Committee clerk and on OTRS before becoming a 'crat; both positions entail direct participation in some of Wikipedia's more challenging and controversial areas. Nihonjoe also had experience on OTRS. Avraham worked as an OTRS volunteer and checkuser, and furthermore was previously active on Israeli-Palestinian articles, which are some of this site's most controversial. MastCell ^Talk 23:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Quite different cases. And like Moni3 I just trip across RfA/B cases, preferring to leave them to the Hounds of Hell who frequent such places. --Malleus Fatuorum 07:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

XMas Discussion

Greetings. I don't recall removing anything from the XMas discussion. If I did, I assure you it was inadvertent. I've checked the talk history but couldn't find anything. If you could help me out with more specifics, I'd be obliged so I could offer a public apology.

I also wanted to say thanks for rewriting the disputed passage. When I attempted to do so, I was reverted. Your rewrite, together with wikipeterproject's recent reorgs, is certainly a great improvement. My only remaining misgiving is that it still feels out of place. I would expect History/Usage of "X" for "Christ" to deal with historical usage, not controversy over current usage. As such, I think the second paragraph ("The word 'Christ' and its compounds....") would make a better lead-in. I proposed adding a separate section on Controversy, where I think the material under discussion would better reside, not only topically but because I think the controversy is significant enough to deserve a more detailed treatment. However I don't seem to have generated much interest. CNJECulver (talk) 07:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

A noiseless patient spider, I mark'd where on a little promontory it stood isolated, Mark'd how to explore the vacant vast surrounding, It launch'd forth filament, filament, filament, out of itself, Ever unreeling them, ever tirelessly speeding them. And you O my soul where you stand, Surrounded, detached, in measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, throwing, seeking the spheres to connect them, Till the bridge you will need be form'd, till the ductile anchor hold, Till the gossamer thread you fling catch somewhere, O my soul." —"A Noiseless Patient Spider" by Walt Whitman Happy New Year Awadewit (talk) 05:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you as well. Walt Whitman is more difficult to read and appreciate when "Ring Ring" is playing. --Moni3 (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Dark was the Night, Cold was the Ground Blind Willie Johnson

Dr. Phil APK

Analysis: This was a Freudian slip of the mouse.
Question: Why does Moni hate Jimbo?
Discuss.
APK whisper in my ear 21:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I will thank you to not point out my moments of absolute stupidity. Is that too much to ask?

Enough of an explanation for you? --Moni3 (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I suppose. Our session has ended. That will be $200, please. APK whisper in my ear 21:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Decade !!

And a very Happy New Year to you, too !!! I did wake up without a hangover, several times, in a bed strange to me, and that's as far as I went with that :) I ran my tail off from one thing to another, with no free time ... but accomplished eventually all I had to accomplish, and am looking forward to 2010! I hope you have a happy and healthful New Year ! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

For the editor who always bring a smile to my face...

		The Surreal Barnstar
		You make Wikipedia a thoroughly enjoyable place to edit. Your humor lightens up the serious environment and reminds us of our absurdity. Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

In appreciation of this prestigious award, I must say that coyotes in rocking chairs observe naked sloppy joes floating perfectly in bowls of plum juice. (Or, thank you!) --Moni3 (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think that sentence squarely qualifies as surreal....maybe a nice Dali painting would go nicely right about now...or some Laurie Anderson...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

No problem. Let me know if you change your mind. --Moni3 (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Glades

I'm coming forth with a detailed article on the Okeechobean. I think you'll find it interesting, My rough draft. Sorry about the citation I wiped out. Put it back in and fix it as you like. I'll proceed on with this and post it asap. Noles1984 (talk) 21:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC) in frozen N. Florida.

BTW, I wouldn't mind your thoughts on the above thus far. Thank you. Still frozen. Noles1984 (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

You ain't whistlin' freakin' Dixie there, neither. Jiminy it's cold here. 25 degrees when I got up this morning. Let me take a look and get back to you. After I burn all my silverware to keep warm. --Moni3 (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It is even cold here....down to 18C...and it's summer. Still beats stinking humidity and the run of high 30s and humid days we suffered before Xmas...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Join a worthy project...

Wikipedia:WikiProject Magical Realism Reconsidered! Awadewit (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Glades II

Moni3 wrote: "It is perplexing why only the Hawthorne Formation would be discussed (in the Geology and ecology of the Everglades article where only a brief summary of geologic issues exists) when other formations such as the Miami Limestone and the Fort Thompson Formation affect the soil and plant life of the Everglades more profoundly. I am not trying to own these articles, but maintain them with very high standards. Communicating what you are trying to achieve would be helpful. I am not opposing incorporating new or different information as long as it is well-cited and reliable and adds to the overall comprehensiveness of the articles."

Hi Moni... You are absolutely correct with respect to "soil and plant life". Other geological articles (stored) were to follow but maybe I was misplacing what I had written in the wrong article and should be on the 'glades article itself. I was trying to establish a more exact origin and explanation for the base of the Everglades with the Hawthorn Group entry as that is the first rock (that we know of) placed through carbonate disposition and overlying the basement rock. I will write articles on the Caloosahatchee Formation, Anastasia Formation, Miami Limestone, and the Fort Thompson Formation and link to the main Everglades article. Noles1984 (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground

On January 10, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 06:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Righteous. --Moni3 (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Moni, thank you for writing that article. After reading it I found the clip online (Youtube) and listened to it ... again, and again. It's ... indescribably moving. Just wow. Funny that you can get a doctorate in music and never learn this stuff; I guess we live in the era of compartmentalization. Anyway, lovely article. All the best -- Antandrus (talk) 18:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you for your comment Antandrus. Very much. I think you're not alone in not being aware of this song. I myself, being a big fan of blues, was not intimate with it and it registered as what I can only describe as background noise in films or other soundtracks until I heard it again in Walk the Line and set out to find it. There are some days I am unable to listen to it it's so lonely and sad. To think that some extraterrestrial life will get hold of it and what they might think of the planet and beings that helped form and create it is quite a thing to contemplate. But then, to think they will also get hold of the aria from The Magic Flute is also interesting...

Thank you for taking the time to comment! --Moni3 (talk) 18:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

LGBT GA

Hi, I was wondering if you would like to work on an WP:LGBT related article with me to get it up to GA, in about a week or so? It is my only Wikiproject that I haven't gotten a GA in, and really haven't done a whole lot in, let me know. CTJF83 chat 20:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Which one? --Moni3 (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I hadn't thought that far into it. Anything you have been wanting to work on? I love Chicago, so maybe Lakeview, Chicago? Otherwise I'm open to your suggestions. CTJF83 chat 20:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Chicago, eh? I attempted to rewrite the Jane Addams article, but got sidetracked. A user is insistent that Addams should not be listed in LGBT people in the United States, or whatever that category is, and the cited paragraph about Addams' personal life was removed. Check the recent history back to August 09 of the article. The whole thing is a disaster. I started a sandbox here. There are, I think, two museums in Chicago dedicated to Addams or Hull House? What do you think? Someone else being involved may help me pick up the pace. --Moni3 (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

That will work, especially if you are well on your way to getting it to GA. It may be a few days till I start (I'm getting the stitches out of my hand tomorrow, and not sure how long till I can type well), but I look forward to working with you. CTJF83 chat 20:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

If you haven't used the book already, I can rent The Gay 100 from the library and see what it has, she is number 26 of the 100. CTJF83 chat 20:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I have to take a bunch of books back to the library and re-check out some books on Addams that I have already returned. (I hope they are available!) If you are in Chicago, images of Hull House or the Addams museum might be very good for the article. We can divide the work up between us, depending on your availability to sources. I can, for instance, work on her biography if you concentrate on Hull House and Addams' work in it. We can work on her pacifism together. If you have something else in mind, let me know. Let me know what you have access to in the way of books. I imagine the Chicago Public Library would have quite a bit about Addams and Hull House, as might the museums, although you may have to purchase those books...

Addams is a big topic, which is why the current state of her article is scandalous. It might take a few weeks or months to do this. You up for it? --Moni3 (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'm up for it, I also get more motivated when I'm working with someone. I actually live 2 and a half hours from Chicago, I just like it a lot cause it is a huge city, and a great gay neighborhood. We have an extensive library network here though, with books available to be sent to where I live from Chicago suburban libraries. Have you read The Gay 100 yet, or should I get it from the library. CTJF83 chat 20:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, Addams deserves an FA, so we should approach the sources and writing from there. I have a list of the materials my library has at the bottom of the sandbox. Not everything can or should be checked out, but we certainly should include the most comprehensive and notable sources. I am using the list at the bottom of the sandbox because that's what I have access to, but her museum or Hull House will be able to tell us which of these are the best. If there are some that are not listed, then let's discuss how we can incorporate those. I don't think I have The Gay 100, but if it is what I think it is, it's a compilation of specific information about the personal lives of historic figures. I have seen books like it like The Gay Book of Days. We can source Addams mention as #26, but for sources on her personal life, it is best to go to more comprehensive books or journal articles, like Faderman's Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers, which I have. Faderman makes a point to discuss the way Addams' personal life is treated by historians. I will try to get to the library this week and check out Addams' autobiography Twenty Years at Hull House, and American Heroine: The Life and Legend of Jane Addams. I had two other books about her social activism and pacifism, but maybe I'll just cut back and concentrate on two books at a time. I have a tendency to try to read five at a time and I get frustrated when I can't read them fast enough... --Moni3 (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, If you are looking for a specific book, and your library doesn't have it, try this and I can get the book (make sure after the search the far right it says all libraries). I'll see what I can come up with on Hull House. Also, do you want to move our chat to User talk:Moni3/Chicago so we don't clog up your regular talk page? CTJF83 chat 01:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

FAC reviews

While Amazing Grace is at FAC, I should be reviewing five to ten articles.

• Cock Lane ghost
• Murder of Teresa de Simone
• Rebbie Jackson
• 1937 Social Credit backbenchers' revolt
• Apolo Anton Ohno

More to add when I finish these.... Moni3 (talk) 00:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

South Florida Wikipedia editors Meetup

I proposed a new meeting day, time and place here [6] under the section "New Suggestion" NancyHeise ^talk 07:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Amazing Grace expansion and edit summary

		The Multiple Barnstar
		I was looking through the FA candidates, and saw your Amazing Grace one, where you said "and then all the sudden, in 24 hours, I had gotten all inspired to write this article". Out of curiosity, I sought to find where your edits started, and found the big rewrite and was impressed. As an added bonus, the edit summary—which I fully second—made me laugh out loud at 4:40 AM local time, in an apartment building where I live among many other families. Well done, Moni3. --an odd name 09:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

What an awesome message to wake up to. Thank you very much. I'm so glad you enjoy the FAC intro at least (do let me know if you have opinions about the article as well). And we all know that Conservapedia can suck it. That should be reiterated often. Thanks again! --Moni3 (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Ugh

[7] I'm seriously rusty. I can't believe I didn't see all that stuff. --Andy Walsh (talk) 05:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Heh, no worries. We all see or miss things inexplicably. Yesterday I found out someone had changed the wording of a subheading to something ridiculous in an article I wrote months ago, and I had no idea... --Moni3 (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Signpost

Moni, awesome! The first thing I would suggest is a book review. I'm not sure what your interests and background are beyond a little bit of familiarity with your article work here, but this one might be really interesting: http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745328911& . Pluto Press has sort of a political science/sociology/critical theory/quasi-marxist orientation, I think, based on the two books I've read from them, and this book isn't specifically about Wikipedia but about the broader changes in learning and education that Wikipedia is emblematic of. If that doesn't catch your fancy, maybe something else listed at the review desk? If you'd like to do a book review, you can email me your mailing address and I'll request a review copy for you.

If you'd rather not do a book review, then let me know what aspects of Wikipedia, etc., that you care most about and I'll try to suggest something else.--ragesoss (talk) 20:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 Haiti Earthquake

Moni, I am a little bit concerned as for the past flux of income external links in the article. If there's anything else we could delete there please, do the honours. I've been monitoring this section for the past 2 days. Thanks for what you have done. Great work !
Krenakarore (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I generally do not pay attention to external links in any articles, but I would need assistance keeping out the questionable links to potentially fake aid organizations and that weird headline one. Whatever you and other editors can do would help. --Moni3 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm on it. I'll get in touch with a few other editors. Thanks !
Krenakarore (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Geology of the 2010 Haiti earthquake

I'm concerned that User:2010HaitiEarthquake created the above article entirely with content cut and pasted from 2010 Haiti earthquake without providing any attribution per Wikipedia:Splitting. Not sure what should be done but something should be noted so that this content isn't passed off as the user's own per the licensing agreement. --Pontificalibus (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

He did (and initially deleted it from the parent article). I don't think he knows what he's doing. He split another from that one calling it Aftershocks of the 2010 Haiti earthquake which is up for speedy deletion. There may be some room to expand the Geology of the 2010 Haiti earthquake article, which is why I have not reported it. I hope someone good with geology may take it up. --Moni3 (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I just saw the new speedy criterea A10, and so labelled it with that. If there is to be a Geology article, it would be best to start over. --Pontificalibus (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Probably. Terrible to say it right now, but as long as he leaves the parent article alone, the others can be dealt with when the main one is less hectic. --Moni3 (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

You probably already know, but both the articles you mention now re-direct to the main Earthquake article. ('one purpose' editors are so ....annoying! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

haiti images

thanx for the advice. please realize the reason I keep doing that edit, is because the pics look just as ugly when they are stacked on top of each other... so I will "stagger" them per MOS but please realize that is something you can do just as easily as me, instead of insisting on a revert to an ugly layout over and over. Thanks again. Fancy-cats-are-happy-cats (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

lol please read the mos before you complain to me about your mis-comprehension of it... here's the exact quote "Multiple images in the same article can be staggered right-and-left" so again thanx for your help... Fancy-cats-are-happy-cats (talk) 04:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks a lot Moni for all your help at 2010 Haiti earthquake. Relief efforts and rescue will probably be closed by the Red Cross, so I think it's okay to wait for a motion, as that's usually what the Red Cross issues once there is no hope. Thank you for orchestrating the article to remain neutral, shaping it to keep reliable, and monitoring it. Maybe one day it'll be an FA of yours. ceranthor 16:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:MRR: many thanks and suggestion

Hi. First and foremost, many thanks indeed for volunteering to help out with the educational assignment Magical Realism Reconsidered. As always with such projects, it is of course the responsibility of the students to take the lead in editing the chosen articles, and above all to do the research and contribute reliable sources. But any help, however small, that established Wikipedians can provide, perhaps above all in guiding new users unfamiliar with the technicalities and protocols of the encyclopedia, as well (at a later stage) with copy-editing suggestions and the MOS, is very much appreciated. Please, however, feel no compunction to go above and beyond what I know is your usual generosity on the site. The project's success or failure must depend in the last analysis on the effort that the students put in. But I know that they will be extremely grateful for anything you are able to do, and indeed it is ideally part of the project that they also learn to work with people such as yourself: they are contributing to a public site, and their ability to negotiate with other editors and deal with feedback is an integral part of the exercise.

My only suggestion is that, in line with the discussion here, you might want to indicate on the project page an article or articles that you are particularly interested in watching and helping with. Again, you should not feel you have to do this; we are pleased for you to aid the project in any way that you see fit. But it does help if a particular group working on a specific article feel that they have an experienced editor or two to whom they can turn in the first instance.

Again, many thanks. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I've not forgotten. I've been involved in something a little too realistic. Magic might be a good diversion, but I found out I have a TFA in 10 days and I need to read a biography to make sure it's updated, and I've neglected almost all the other articles I've worked on. I even have an FAC up, but it's not getting any reviews. I promised to review a bunch and got sidetracked by the aforementioned article. I will pop in soon and pick an article in a week, hoping that the need to patrol this so vigilantly will have waned some. --Moni3 (talk) 00:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem, no problem at all. The last thing in the world I want is to harry you. I will try to return to FAC reviews shortly, so that I can be giving back, too... --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your note

Hi Moni, I looked at your guide, and it looks good, for "covering" a fresh natural disaster and perhaps other types. I think a major aviation (or transportation) accident does have a lot in common with most disasters during the first week, when there is a large influx of news reports and new editors, but after that there may be significant divergence. For example (I'll focus on aviation for simplicity), after an airliner crash there is often a "rush to judgment", typically based on speculation in local media and websites, which have limited (or unknown) aviation expertise. Since there are often living persons affected by what we write, as well as grieving victims families, it is critical to keep this speculation off our pages, and focus on the highest quality sources, esp. for technical issues. Major transportation accidents will typically be followed by litigation, with victims lawyers suing all individuals and companies they consider responsible. This may lead to even more intense pressure on the wiki article, since every word may affect potential jury pools, and this responsibility requires us to be even more careful in what we say. Another key difference from natural disasters is the official investigation, which begins immediately after a transportation accident (a "Go Team" is typically sent to the scene within hours), and continues for many months, often years, until a final report is produced. It is usually best to stick to the interim reports of the official government agencies, even though they may be sparse and terse, and avoid media speculation about technical issues, since the latter is often wrong in the long term. WP:BLP can become a key issue, as some editors may be eager to assign early blame to individuals or organizations based on some lawyer's statement, or speculation in a news report. In general, we should avoid interpreting primary sources (e.g. detailed technical reports) ourselves, esp. for any contentious BLP issues, and use the highest quality secondary sources (e.g. widest circulation mainstream publications) to give us the big picture. As bottom line, there are many similarities early on, but transportation accidents are generally caused by a chain of human errors, and the focus of the article, which soon shifts to the investigation process, is different from natural disasters. It may make sense to separate natural disasters from transportation or man-made ones (e.g. Bhopal?), and perhaps a separate one is needed for breaking major transportation accidents. Let me know if I can help any further. Crum375 (talk) 03:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed comments. Perhaps a section about transportation or man-made disasters, such as Bhopal, should be added, and you are more than welcome to do so if you are interested. Otherwise, I can take your comments and try to integrate them into the guide, or change the guide if you think it's better, to reflect natural disaster articles. I'm interested in what you think, so please let me know. --Moni3 (talk) 04:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The extent of Crum's comments make me think you might want to find hurricane and flood experts as well, since they may also have some differences. Moni, I looked at the article, and was shocked that such a new article, with mainpage coverage, is in such beautiful shape. Congratulations ... I'm glad you're back in the saddle, carving out a new niche. (Speaking of niches ... apparently I've got a new one as well ... see my talk.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll consider your suggestions about hurricanes and floods, Sandy. I should make it clear that the article is not in the shape it is because of me. There are a score of editors who deserve barnstars for what they have done. --Moni3 (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)