Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan

Wikipedia ads	file info – show another – #207

Talk & archives for WP Japan
Project talk 2006 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2007 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2008 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2011 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2012 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2013 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2014 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2015 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2016 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2017 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2018 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2019 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2020 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2022 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2023 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Task force talk/archives ↔ Baseball (1) Bibliography (1) ↔ Cinema (1) ↔ CJKV (1) ↔ Districts and municipalities (1) Gaijin tarento (1) ↔ Military history (1, 2, 3) Music (1) Mythology (1, 2, 3, 4) Owarai (1) Politics (1) Prefectures (1) Royalty & nobility (1) Science & technology (1) Shinto (1) ↔ Tokyo (1) ↔ Transwiki ↔ = joint task force
Old notice board All of 2004 Jan–Mar 2005 Apr–Jun 2005 Jul–Oct 2005 Nov–Dec 2005 Jan–Feb 2006 Feb–May 2006 Jun–Dec 2006 Jan–Jun 2007 Jun 2007 – Sep 2008
Related talk/archives Anime and manga (index) Hello! Project (1) Pokémon (index, PAC (1, 2), PAC 2) Sumo (1, 2, 3) Square Enix (index) Tokusatsu (index) Trains (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
Search the archives:
V·T·E

Ryukyuan Shinto -> Ryukyuan religion

Wanna talk about moving this back (officially)...I think the word "Shinto" is restrictive and misleading. DaAnHo (talk) 07:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Mori Ranmaru

This article is desperately in need of a definitive reference on the nature of the relationship between Mori Ranmaru and Oda Nobunaga. Unfortunately, every English-language history of Nobunaga I've read tends to elide the relationship almost completely rather than address explaining it to a Western audience, and I don't read Japanese well enough to have confidence in my ability to do serious historical research in that language. Does anyone have good source for this? — Gavia immer (talk) 17:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Translation help

I am trying hard, but cannot make sense of the following two sentences which are needed for this list:

細川藤孝（幽斎）は、関ヶ原の戦で徳川方に属し、丹後田辺城において、６０日にわたって西軍を引きつけて籠城 した。その際に、石田三成方の兵が城を取り囲むなかで、藤孝から古今伝授の奥義を受けた烏丸光広に贈られた太刀とされ、昭和になって再び細川家の所有する ところとなった。 (source)

Basically, what I would like to know is what the origin (or meaning) of the sword's meibutsu (Kokin Denju no Tachi (古今伝授の太刀) is. An exact translation is therefore not necessary.

Some proper names that occur in the sentences are: Hosokawa Fujitaka, Battle of Sekigahara, Siege of Tanabe, Ishida Mitsunari, Karasumaru Mitsuhiro. bamse (talk) 21:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want to know.古今伝授の太刀 means the tachi 烏丸光広 received when he was initiated the "kokin denju", the secrets of Kokin Wakashū. As for 古今伝授, see the fourth paragraph. Oda Mari (talk) 05:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

That's already quite useful, thanks. If I understand correctly, Hosokawa Fujitaka initiated 烏丸光広 in the "kokin denju". I am still confused about the battle part and where the various persons were located during the battle. bamse (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The literal translation of the above sentence is as follows:

"Hosokawa Fujitaka who later joined the Tokugawa side at the Battle of Sekigahara was besieged in the Tanabe castle by the Western Army for 60 days. At that time, besieged by the Ishida Mitsunari side, the sword was presented to Karasumaru Mitsuhiro when Hosokawa Fujitaka initiated him into the "kokin denju". Later in Showa era, the sword became to belong to the Hosokawa family again." ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I got a bit confused about all the different sides and battles. So Karasumaru Mitsuhiro and Hosokawa Fujitaka were both inside Tanabe castle during the siege!? bamse (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Karasumaru Mitsuhiro was sent to Tanabe castle for seeking the pacification of the battle as an Imperial envoy by Emperor Go-Yōzei. So he was neither side of the battle. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Japanese corporate titles

Help from anyone with a more versatile keyboard than mine, with the original Japanese, would be appreciated. ISBN 9781873410127 pp. 81 seems to be as good a source as any, should you need it. Uncle G (talk) 00:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

This page may be a good source ja:役員 (会社). It lists the legal and unofficial corporate titles and also refers to the titles used in North America, France and Germany, as well as China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. For government posts, see ja:役職. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 06:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Madara (Japanese myth)

Found and tagged, please help cleanup.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure but isn't this a hoax? It seems to be derived from Madara (manga) or List of Naruto antagonists#Madara Uchiha. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

There's no article for it on the Japanese wiki. The books referenced in the article do seem to exist, but whether or not the text in the article is attributable to them is another story. This article seems somewhat dubious. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep, sounds awfully dubious to me. Notice also that the main author of the article only has contributions to Naruto related articles. If this was a VfD I'd vote "delete". TomorrowTime (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I asked for AfD. Oda Mari (talk) 06:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Romanization confusion

How would "エラクゥス" be romanized? For background, it is the Japanese spelling of the name "Eraqus".24.13.125.86 (talk) 05:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

"Erakusu" or "Erakuusu". ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I would macronize the first u.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, "Erakūsu" would be correct. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Government by assassination

お疲れさまです! I just created this stub, I have been looking (and forgive me if this topic is specifically covered by another article. The concept itself fascinates me, but I don't know enough to write well on it. Can any of you help? 有難うございます! --Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Ministry of the Military (Ritsuryō)

This was improperly cut-and-paste moved to this strange unWiki name, anyway we can move it back and preserve the edit histories?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Copied and pasted from where? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 03:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, Hyōbu-shō, I knew I forgot something, ごめん.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Now at the correct title: Ministry of the Military. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:03, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Kutsukake Tokijirō

Kutsukake Tokijirō article has been proposed for deletion because of "doesn't prove notability". There is 70 000 webpages on this theme, but if not notable, then it should be changed to disambig page. Keep article or keep disambig? --Snek01 (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Being listed on websites isn't enough to prove notability; you need reliable sources like published books or magazines or something. It might be possible to save the article, but you'd need to find a bunch of sources about the character. I found a few books relating to him, but they seem to be more about one of the films. I would say use the Japanese version of the article, but it's not much better. Maybe you can expand a bit more on the character? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 19:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

It appears that the various films are just adaptations of a single play. My suggestion would be to write an article on the play, which can have a discussion of the character in it. In turn, if you can find sources for the assertion that this play was filmed seven times, it would easily pass the notability barrier. — Gavia immer (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

A serial manga version in a biweekly magazine イブニング from Kodansha started on March, 2010. See the bottom right. Oda Mari (talk) 07:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Convenience store Shisa in Isigaki island Japan.jpg

御疲れ様です! Can any of you more familiar than I am take a look at this? It just seems like copyright paranoia to me, and I would prefer someone knowledgeable to weigh in. 有難うね!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

dubious file

The photo caption is below.

『アサヒグラフ支那戦線写真』第二四報（昭和一三年一月五日第三〇巻第一号）に掲載された写真　提供＝朝日新聞社
「避難区に潜入していた敗残兵（12月17日河村特派員撮影）」と説明されている写真。
（「敗残兵」とあるが服装から見て警察官かも知れない。安全区国際委員会には市当局から450人の警察官が移管されていたが、大半は西大門外で屠殺されたという）

However, the file name is Chinese policemen to be killed, Nanking massacre.jpg. The file Description is English: About 450 Chinese policemen working in Nanking Safety Zone were sent out of the city under escort of Japanese troops. Most of them were killed out of the west gate of the city. The file source is 支那战线写真,第24报, published on 1938-1-5. from 洞富雄，《南京大虐杀》

It's nonsense. The original caption is The remnants of a defeated troop who were in hiding in evacuation zone.(photo by correspondent Kawamura on December 17) 避難区に潜入していた敗残兵（12月17日河村特派員撮影） by Asahi graph China front pictures 24th (First, volume 30, January 5, 1938)『アサヒグラフ支那戦線写真』第二四報（昭和一三年一月五日第三〇巻第一号）

The below comment was writen by Tou Tomio(洞富雄). (The caption is "The remnants of a defeated troop", however they might have been policemen by their clothes. 450 policemen were placed under the authority of International Commitee of Safty Zone from the city authorities. Most of them were allegedly killed out of the great west gate.)（「敗残兵」とあるが服装から見て警察官かも知れない。安全区国際委員会には市当局から450人の警察官が移管されていたが、大半は西大門外で屠殺されたという）

The original text is The remnants of a defeated troop who were in hiding in evacuation zone. The policemen killing is only the Tou Tomio's conjecture. This file name and description should be corrected.--Bukubku (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Eulsa Treaty#Requested move

There is an ongoing discussion to move Eulsa Treaty to Japan-Korea Protectorate Treaty or 1905 Protectorate Treaty. Please participate in the discussion. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Nippon or Nihon?

At exonym and endonym, I need to know which should be used, Nippon or Nihon? --70.134.48.188 (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Both "Nihon" and "Nippon" are suitable romanizations of the kanji 日本.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Yup, it really depends on who you ask. "Nippon" tends to be a little more formal (or used for more formal things like banknotes and official documents), but that's not always the case. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 03:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Both are correct. The Cabinet officially approved both last year. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 04:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

two "o-warai" tarento

Can somebody who (unlike me) has some knowledge of or interest in tarento take a look at Egashira 2:50 and Hiroshi (owarai)? They're unsourced collections of allegations of naughtiness or incompetence. (Or, if you prefer, they "raise BLP concerns".)

(If you're wondering how I reached these article on people of whom I'd never heard, now and again I look through the list of "alumni" in an article on this or that Japanese university. [This time it was Kyushu Sangyo University.] There are usually plenty of minor exponents of those Japanese arts curiously popular among anglophones, many of whom are alumni merely on some editor's say-so.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Postwar Japan

This page could use some serious cleanup, can anyone help?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

The current article looks US-centric to me. Our foreign relations are more multilateral. For economic history, the "postwar period" is rather long, and can be divided into sub-periods. For example, we have a template like this: ja:Template:日本の経済史. I think we need to write more on the bubble and post-bubble years, citing information from pages like ja:平成, ja:昭和 and ja:昭和ノスタルジー.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 05:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving Ingen

There is an open-ended discussion-thread here about changing the name of our article about the 17th century Buddhist priest Ingen.

Should the article be re-named Yinyuan or Yin-Yuan?. Please participate in the resolving this small question. --Tenmei (talk) 21:54, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

FLC of national treasure swords

The List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts-swords) is currently a featured list candidate. Comments, questions and suggestions are welcome at the nomination page. bamse (talk) 08:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

"famous alumni", etc

Ugh.

This kind of thing is endemic in en:WP (let alone ja:WP).

That it's endemic doesn't mean it shouldn't or can't be fixed. (Indeed, I fixed it for this university.) Here's what I think needs to be done for any list of teaching staff or alumni:

1. Link all the names
2. Delete any, however eminent, that is redlinked
3. Source each person's relationship to the university (RS only!)
4. Delete any name that can't be sourced within four months or so

If the list of references promises to be excruciatingly long, then do away with the list and use a category instead. (Of course, inclusion in the category should require a RS.)

How does this sound? -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

This is something I have also noted recently, and agree entirely with your suggested course of action. --DAJF (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

You and I have made a start. Now all that has to be done is the remaining 98% of the work on that article, and all the work on hundreds more universities. A thrilling prospect! ¶ [later:] Hoping to bring down the former figure to a more manageable 96%, I decided to "source" one more claim. I clicked on the bios of five more artistes. Not one sourced the claim that the person had graduated from the particular university. For at least two of these articles I clicked on any vaguely authoritative-looking source provided for the article; as a whole none told me anything. One article even implored editors to augment it by translating from the Japanese article; inferring that the Japanese article would be good, I took a look -- and no, it was a dreary chronology, completely unsourced and richly meriting warning flags of its own. (I'm not sure that I have ever seen an article in ja:WP that merited translation.) Eventually I found one source (NYT!) for a second person's study. -- Hoary (talk) 14:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, enough of Geidai.

That article had, and still has, four photos of individuals said to have studied or taught there (of which at least one is copyright with a very dubious "fair use" rationale). No evidence was presented either in that article or in the biographical articles for the relationship of any one of these to the university. And I've given up looking in ja:WP for evidence for anything -- ja:WP seems to be a collection of factoids vaguely remembered as seen on the telly, or similar.

I've now sourced two of the four individuals. As for the other two, I'm pretty sure that Sakamoto and Kitano are indeed related, but I got tired of looking for solid evidence. And the lists of alumni and faculty members remain largely unsourced.

Japanese universities are a disaster area within en:WP. I'd hope that we can at least agree:

• to stop adding any claim of affiliation -- having studied there, having taught there -- that isn't reliably sourced
• to remove any redlinked people
• to remove any non-linked people

By contrast to the intermittently interesting article on Waseda University, that on Tokyo Zokei University is a mere stub but at least every single claim of affiliation is backed up with a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Tōgō Shrine flea market

Is it true that the Tōgō Shrine flea market in Tokyo has been discontinued in 2010 (info added to the article by an ip)? If yes, what was the reason? bamse (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't find any reliable accounts of it closing. It's not on the Japanese version of the article. Unless any sources can be given to back up the claim, I'd say it's just hearsay. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 19:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be true. Its home page says so. (Google translate) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

So it will end in December, but hasn't ended yet. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 00:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

No. The message was posted last year. The last market was held on December 6, 2009 according to other sources.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

What other sources? The page you linked to gives no year for the information, only a month and day. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 00:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I just found this blog which says "2009年の12月6日が最終開催日だったんですね。" And this blog says "東郷神社の骨董市は、昨年１２月６日をもって終了。" Obviously those links shouldn't be used and I'm not finding an actual RS to back up the claims so it can be sourced on the page, but there you go. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that's good enough to know the date. It's possible a local newspaper would have covered it, but we'd have to have access to the newspaper archives to confirm that. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 00:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The year in which December 6 is Sunday is 1998 and 2009. ;-) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 01:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but who besides you is going to look up something like that? ;) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Vernacular architecture

After provisionally linking from my new article Katsuhito Nakazato to nagaya, I clicked on the latter and found myself in an article about some very old geezer who'd been a member of the Imperial family of the best birth and who was forced to die because of unreasonable reasons. (Most alarmingly: In 1988, the former site of Nagaya's residence was discovered with many wooden tablets and historic relics on the construction site of a Sogo department store. Sogo did not care and continued construction. Twelve years after the department store's completion, Sogo went bankrupt [unsourced]. Damn!) All in all your typical en:WP Japanese bio, although it fails to tell us which blood group he had and which commercials he appeared in.

I'd been naively expecting an article on plain old 長屋. But I think that the only reference to these in en:WP is here in "Housing in Japan". This tells us: In premodern Japan, commoners typically lived either in free-standing houses, now known as minka, or, predominantly in cities, in machiya (町屋) or row-houses called nagaya (長屋). Examples are still visible in Kyoto. It doesn't start to explain what these "row-houses" are, and the impression it gives of their belonging to the past and tourist spots hardly squares with the book I have in front of me now, Nakazato and Nakano's 長屋迷路, a collection of photographs taken in Mukōjima and elsewhere in Sumida-ku less than a decade ago.

Is there nobody hereabouts equipped to write about Japanese architecture? -- Hoary (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ink Music: In the Land of the Hundred-Tongued Lyricist

Ever heard of this film? No, I hadn't either. Which is OK in itself, but when I saw it spammed I got rattled. You may disagree. -- Hoary (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Anyone interested in kids' picture books?

This triggered this. -- Hoary (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Three old documents, translation help

Please help! For the "content" column in List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents), I am struggling with the translation of some Japanese texts related to three ancient documents. The documents and some links are:

1. Rigen daishi　hitsu shobunshō (理源大師筆処分状), [1]
2. Stone in Nasu County (那須国造碑, nasu kokuzō hi), [2], [3]
3. History and Legends of the Kōryū-ji temple (広隆寺縁起資財帳, ｋōryū-ji engi shizai chō); source required

I don't need an exact translation, just one or two lines about the content of these documents. bamse (talk) 14:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

How about these?

1. A letter of dismissal written by Rigendaishi.
2. Stone monument in remembrance of Atainoide/Ataeide/Ide of Nasu.
3. Catalogue of treasures and historical record of the temple.
   What kind of reference do you want? How about this? [4] Oda Mari (talk) 08:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. As for 1., who was dismissed and why? If I am not mistake, the link says something about an elderly head priest and "unsuitable" (for health reasons?), but I don't manage to make sense of the parts of that sentence. By "source required" in "3" I meant any kind of source speaking about the content of that document. bamse (talk) 08:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Gokkun

A dispute has arisen on this article about whether including an illustration is appropiate. Project members are invited to visit the talk page to contribute to the debate. Caveat for project members - this article is about a sexual activity. Exxolon (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Akira Kurosawa

I am pleased to announce that the article Akira Kurosawa, formerly a B-class article (rated as of Top Importance by Wikiproject:Japan), has recently been nominated by me as a Featured Article. It would be appreciated if participants in Wikiproject:Japan would go to the Featured article candidates page and have a look.

Regards,

Dylanexpert (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Japan and divorce

I wonder if this source can help things out:

• Lah, Kyung. "Divorce ceremonies give Japanese couples a new way to untie the knot." CNN. September 7, 2010.

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Food task force?

Resolved

Do we already have a food task force? I started a stub for Narutomaki topped on ramen.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

We don't have one right now, but I'd support having one. Anyone else interested in one being created? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I've done several translations of food articles. Could be marginally useful. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd be interested as well. Would be a new field for me, so not sure if I could be of much help though. bamse (talk) 17:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've created one: Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Food and drink task force. Please be sure to tag articles appropriately. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there a category for those articles? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Nihonjoe. I find it odd that nobody wrote anything on narutomaki despite the popularity of ramen and the Naruto franchise. It seems that we need to work on many food and drink articles. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 12:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I just tried tossing in a category on the template, but my templating skills are disappointingly lame. Nihonjoe, can you take a look? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. It may take a day or so for those articles already tagged a part of the task force to show up in the category. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you mention it to WP:WikiProject Food and Drink ? Perhaps it should be a joint taskforce? 76.66.200.95 (talk) 06:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Nope, but you did. I've left a note there as well. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Is this article named right?

Resolved

The article Myouyama seems to be named wrong, provided sources (in talk page) give different names, and user wrote "canji" seeming to indicate a weak grasp on romanizing words. Maybe it is OK, but I thought I would put it here for someone to check. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, it could be any of the locations listed here, though many are redlinks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Could it be 妙山 instead? I'm having a hard time finding either name near Mt. Fuji. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 16:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, a bit more. The article links to this topographical map. I've lined it up more or less on Google Maps. This is a review of a place nearby and says "鉄砲木ノ頭　てっぽうぎのあたま　（明神山）". So maybe it's supposed to be called Myōjinsan? (I'm also starting to question the notability of this article: a grassy area on a mountain that's referenced by unreliable sources?) — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 16:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I moved to the correct name. Oda Mari (talk) 17:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Mount Fuji article used to have a big problem with tourist activity spam (paragliding, etc.). I suspect this article is just an outgrowth of that, rather than a location that's notable in its own right. Good luck getting any location article deleted, though. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Japan Go Association

I was wondering about how to translate Nihon Ki-in. It appears to have been translated into English as Japan Go Assocation, which sounds peculiar. I would expect Japanese Go Assocation to be used. However, I have also seen it said that Japan Go Institute is the correct literal translation. Does anyone have any opinions on this?--ZincBelief (talk) 11:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Women in Japan

The page Women in Japan is in need of expert attention. It cites few sources, and has been tagged as an essay and possibly original research. Five potential sources are listed, but with no footnotes or in-text references. Cnilep (talk) 15:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It appears to be a rip from http://countrystudies.us/japan/73.htm. Apparently the articles on that site are cited to Ronald E. Dolan and Robert L. Worden, editors. Japan: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1994. It looks like you can also access it from http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/jptoc.html and go to 'Gender Stratification and the Lives of Women' at the bottom. (You can't bookmark it; something about temporary locations.) What I'm not sure about is whether it's copyvio or plagiarism; either way it doesn't belong. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Good call; a couple of pages up is the notice, "Copyright © 2003 - 2010 Country Studies US," meaning it is a copyright violation. I have tagged the page for speedy deletion. Cnilep (talk) 17:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Nope, it's a work of the US federal government (Library of Congress) and thus in the public domain. The Country Studies copyright claim is bogus. Jpatokal (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Toshiya Fuji - can you help?

This previously PRODded article on Japanese actor Toshiya Fuji is about to be nominated for AfD due to lack of sources. On the face of it ("He appeared as Gaku Hoshikawa (or Five Red) in the Japanese tokusatsu television series Chikyuu Sentai Fiveman between 1990 and 1991."), he might just meet the criteria for WP:ENT but several editors have tried, and failed, to find any reliable third party sources for the text. IMDB and TV.com seem to be the only sources we can find (which is not enough). More detail on the article talk page. I'm posting here in case anyone in this project might like to take an interest.--Plad2 (talk) 06:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Article has now been nominated for deletion. If anyone would like to comment, they can do so here.--Plad2 (talk) 05:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Quick translation help

Sorry to bother again. For List of National Treasures of Japan (writings), I'd like to know what keiringe, nangakuge (渓林偈、南獄偈) are about. The official museum's page is unfortunately in flash and a bit hard to read for me. Hope that somebody can help. To get there: start here, then click on "禅" (right of the three menus), then on "大燈国師墨蹟　渓林偈、南獄偈". The explanation should appear on the left side of the screen. I don't need a precise translation. Thanks in advance. bamse (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

渓林偈 is a poem about nature's great harmony when 大燈国師, aka ja:宗峰妙超 , looked at a copse in the late fall. 南獄偈 is a poem about the grandeur of 南嶽衡山/Mount Heng (Hunan) and the admiration for the Chinese emperor then. Oda Mari (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! bamse (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Reading help

What is the reading for 与宗悟大姉法語? It is the last entry in this table, i.e., a sermon by Shūhō Myōchō (宗峰妙超) from 1330 and located at Daisen-in, Kyoto. The last part is most likely hōgo/sermon, but I can't make sense of 与宗悟大姉. bamse (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure how the whole words read in Japanese. However its meaning is "Sermon for Sōgo Taishi" [5] or "Sermon dedicated to Sōgo Taishi" 与(yo, for or dedicated to) 宗悟大姉(Sōgo taishi) 法語(hōgo, sermon). Taishi (literally Great sister)is a honorific title for nuns. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. bamse (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan to do list

Hi! While the "Featured content candidates" on the WP:JP page appear to be automatically generated and up to date, those in the template (such as this) seem to be outdated. Is this a known problem? bamse (talk) 23:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that the to do list has been updated for a long time. People tend to just use the project page instead. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, I just thought that the template was updated automagically as well. bamse (talk) 09:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

That would be nice. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

League of Diet Members Believing the Objectives of the Holy War

League of Diet Members Believing the Objectives of the Holy War seems Taisei Yokusankai. See the first contribution, this article is almost the same one. The article title is very suspicious, there is no original Japanese title on the page. I think the first editor creat his coined word.--Bukubku (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

The original title was "League of Diet Members by leaving [sic] the objetives [sic] of Holly [sic] War". How about redirecting the current title to Taisei Yokusankai? -- Hoary (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Redirect is a resolution. However, the titile seems one Wikipedians coined word, so the redirect title is inappropriate.--Bukubku (talk) 00:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

A lot of articles link to this oddly titled and misbegotten one. Probably most do because of the template, but offhand I don't know. Whatever is done, should be done while aware of incoming links. However, all of this is a secondary matter. Primary is: Is there anything to "League of Diet Members Believing the Objectives of the Holy War"? Let's wait a little, to see what others think. -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I found ja:聖戦貫徹議員連盟. I corrected the page title.--Bukubku (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Much ado about nothing

There's a discussion at Talk:Mu (negative) over whether 無 in Japanese "commonly" refers to its English interpretation of 'your question is meaningless'. Additional feedback welcome. Jpatokal (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Bump! Jpatokal (talk) 12:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear Nothingness. What you have there is either someone thoroughly arrogant and blissfully unaware of their own brusqueness or you are being trolled. I might comment when (if...) I make my way through all the comments, if I have something meaningful to add. I do want to express my commiserations to you for having to deal with people who think saying stuff like "I read Japanese children's books, and I have Japanese friends, so there!" is real impressive. TomorrowTime (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I have to confess that I haven't even read most of the talk page... simply sourcing the sensible bits and flagging anything dubious directly in the article is probably the best way forward. Jpatokal (talk) 12:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The VAIBS guy is back

Remember the VAIBS article? It appears that particular editor is back, and another of his articles is facing imminent deletion here. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, in case some of you hadn't noticed. TomorrowTime (talk) 13:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

New proposed draft for Sea of Japan naming dispute

The article Sea of Japan naming dispute has been under full protection for about 1 month due to an edit war that occurred in August. Discussion on the talk page stalled at the end of August, and there are not many active participants on that page. Since that time, I have been working on a wholly new draft to fix, as best as I could, many of the numerous problems on the article. Since this article falls within the purview of this Wikiproject, I am inviting members to come participate in the discussion on the talk page at Sea of Japan naming dispute#Major overhaul, which explains the current articles deficiencies (poor sources, disorganized, etc.) and what I have done to fix them. In that section you will find a link to the draft version in my user space. While this article and its subject are clearly a contentious matter, I sincerely believe that we can create a useful and NPOV article about the subject through the careful involvement of more editors. Thank you for any help you can provide. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Senkaku Islands Content Split/Removal

Hi everyone. I would like to discuss the Senkaku Islands article, specifically (a) all sections i, ii, and iii that give the actual arguments used in its dispute, (b) the one section on the history of the dispute, (c) and the one section that is not about the islands themselves.

(a) Moving all of the disputable contents to a separate article would help readers better understand what information is being disputed and what is not.

(b) Although the current list of historical events is more on the factual side, it is centered on the dispute over the islands. As such, it would disproportionately distract from the islands themselves and may be better combined in a separate article with the sections mentioned in (a).

(c) The information in this section might be related to the islands outside of Wikipedia, but as far as how articles are organized, it has nothing to do with the topic--in fact, it does not even mention the islands.

Lastly, although I would love to move around or rephrase any content so that it could be agreeable to Wikipedia guidelines, I don't think it would be the best practice if questionable edits were practically to become a burden for other editors. In which case, I would think that removal--following discussion on the relevant Talk Page and Noticeboard--should be justified despite loosing the questionable contents.DXDanl (talk) 02:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

So, you're proposing something like Senkaku Islands dispute be created to house most of the dispute content, with only a brief summary being included in Senkaku Islands? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Word lists by frequency

Hello, I created this article. May you help to expand this article, if I remember well, Japan also have its own frequency list.

Yug (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)