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Please take care not to add {{tl|stub}} to an article like [[Susan Landau Finch]] which already has a specific stub tag. It just wastes other editors' time. Please also note that stub tags go after categories (per [[WP:ORDER]]): if you go to the right part of the article you are more likely to spot that there's already a stub tag present. Thanks. [[User:PamD|<font color="green">'''''Pam'''''</font>]][[User talk:PamD|<font color="brown">'''''D'''''</font>]] 23:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Please take care not to add {{tl|stub}} to an article like [[Susan Landau Finch]] which already has a specific stub tag. It just wastes other editors' time. Please also note that stub tags go after categories (per [[WP:ORDER]]): if you go to the right part of the article you are more likely to spot that there's already a stub tag present. Thanks. [[User:PamD|<font color="green">'''''Pam'''''</font>]][[User talk:PamD|<font color="brown">'''''D'''''</font>]] 23:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

== stub tags ==

Please take care not to add {{tl|stub}} to an article like [[Susan Landau Finch]] which already has a specific stub tag. It just wastes other editors' time. Please also note that stub tags go after categories (per [[WP:ORDER]]): if you go to the right part of the article you are more likely to spot that there's already a stub tag present. Thanks. [[User:PamD|<font color="green">'''''Pam'''''</font>]][[User talk:PamD|<font color="brown">'''''D'''''</font>]] 23:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry!

Sorry, I should have foreseen the enormous interest that gathers around anything falafel-related. But I did immediately ask la:Usor:Iustinus, a long-term friend who is interested in Egyptian etymologies for food words (and whose Ph.D. is in this precise field) to comment. Meanwhile I quite see your point and I have added a note on the talk page to clarify my view.

Sorry also for not joining in at Aleppo soap as you asked. I have been busy; but my honest feeling, looking at the page, was that it was in a protean state (like all of Wikipedia around the year 2003) in which little if anything could yet be done because no reliable sources had yet been found.

All good wishes Andrew Dalby 17:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, sourcing

FYI, I reverted your edit to Noah's Ark, which only added named refs to each sentence in the paragraph. Per your question in your edit summary, I thought I'd comment here to explain. Typically, you're right, we don't need to add a reference to every single sentence. I believe it is WP:V that mentions "dubious statements" must be cited, but typically we don't worry about citing uncontroversial facts. For those contested bits, if a reference is listed a sentence or two after the statement, that is sufficient for sourcing. Adding named refs throughout a paragraph only serves to clutter the prose (and reflist), and gives the reader a sense of added weight, as though a plethora of sources had been provided, when it reality it was only one or two. It also makes editing the sections harder, since one has to filter through all the ref tags littered through the text. I see you've been around for a while, so perhaps you know all this, and your edit summary was intended to be rhetorical. Either way, I figured I'd explain the revert. If the sources you listed cover that material, we can just remove the fact tags, instead of duplicating named refs every sentence. Feel free to engage me on my talk page, or the article talk page, if you have any questions/concerns/etc. All the best!   — Jess· Δ♥ 02:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

nutrition facts

Hello, Thanks for your comments, your right the recipes for these foods are variable but usually I put the nutritional information for the most prepared recipe which is a typical one but I might be more specific by mentioning the ingredients used. Regarding my sources i have gone through many food websites and found shahiya.com and allrecipes.com the only websites that have nutritional facts for Arabic recipes. I am adding information from these websites that I consider reliable sources since I am a dietitian and have personally checked nutrition facts of some of these recipes and found that they conform to the USDA nutrient database. Regarding my sentence I will modify it Thanks, هاوية التغذيةNF 08:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by هاوية التغذية (talk • contribs)

Termes (olive oil)

Just a friendly note on Termes (olive oil). Although the article truly does not indicate the importance of the company, it's been around since 2007 and already had two speed requests removed. Consensus has been in the past that articles like that need to go to AfD rather than speedy. Cheers!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

reply

Im not adding links for SEO reasons, i have explained why im adding the nutritional information from these websites that i trust and consider reliable sources. Anyway if my work is not considered valuable for wikipedia im gonna stop adding any posts. Thank you. هاوية التغذيةNF 06:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by هاوية التغذية (talk • contribs)

Eating habits of the Alans

Hi Macrakis! There is this interesting remark of Ammianus Marcellinus that I came across and which alludes to the way (and as to what?) the Alans used to eat. It is in Latin I wonder if you could spare a couple of seconds and look into it? Is Graminea standing for Gramineae? Many thanks! The details could be useful for various food-related wiki articles. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I somehow secretly hoped that the Alans were 'exposed' by A.M. as 'grain eaters' (in the form perhaps of kashk :), gachas :)) but I guess it had been more easy for them to simply tuck in the flesh of their accompanying flocks. They were definitely carnivorous, meat affording. Yet I found this interesting passage on them: (see link)"Like the barbarians on the Rhine and in southwestern Gaul, the "bandits" of Armorica had been tamed and were now growing grain."
As for what you call a wonderful collection of absurd etymologies, yes, they seem now obsolete indeed though you never know if the author struck genius with some of the more daring of them at least. What he basically does is to point out at the kinship between the Ancient Greek and the Celtic languages of Gaul and Britannia. Since the Celtic languages are quite obscure and very few of us have a fluent command of them at present, I think that we should give the author at least the benefit of the doubt.

(on a side note, how many a Greek suspect that their krevati ('bed') survives as the English crib) Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "Where did you get the krevati>crib etymology?" From here (check CRIB at the bottom right of the page) Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "Again, a 1783 publication on etymology is surely out of date!". You mean it is past its selling date!? That should not always amount to a defect unless expiring food is involved (and even in this case, some aged cheeses like barrel aged feta or classy teas such as Pu Erh, let alone vintage clarets improve their properties over the years). Anyway, joke apart, you are right and that's why I wouldn't go that far and make straight use out of these dodgy references in the wiki articles. Also, the author is one...Vossius. "The whole compiled from Vossius, ... and other etymologists. By the Reverend George William Lemon". Fair enough then! The 18th century abounded in polymaths, some of them incredibly smart and open minded religious men, especially when compared to our own hyper-specialized (and frankly speaking sectarian and narrow minded in its excessive prudence) century.But then I guess that wikipedia is above all a 21st century project and we must obey its peculiar ethos.
Re: "...the original meaning in English was not "a bed for an infant", but "a barred receptacle for fodder". A crib was baby Jesus' bed, or at least this was the term the Germanic people used for it. Afaik their Christian terminology had to adapt to whatever words were available at that time in their vocabulary. Interesting that the moden word creche comes from crib too...

creche "Christmas manger scene," 1792, from Fr. crèche, from O.Fr. cresche (13c.) "crib, manger, stall," ultimately from a Germanic source, cf. O.H.G. kripja, O.E. cribb (see crib). Also "a public nursery for infants where they are cared for while their mothers are at work" (1854). Probably related to Ger. krebe "basket." Meaning "child's bed with barred sides" is 1640s; probably from frequent use in reference to the manger where infant Jesus was laid Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 08:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Passes away

Sorry. My mistake. I've clarified my comment now. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

John the Apostle

I have previously posted to the article's talk page (here) regarding the language template. Do you have the time to respond there? Regards Tiderolls 04:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Noah's ark

Thanks - interesting discussion, lightened my day. A sensible article on the ark would start from the proposition that it's a theological story with a theological purpose, and looking for a real ark or flood is about as sensible as looking for the real Screwtape. But I don't think that article's editors are the type to look for sensible treatments. PiCo (talk) 04:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quiz

Hi Macrakis and ``Hronia Pola``! I wonder if, as a self-declared foodie, you could spare a couple of seconds by having a look at a food-related quiz that I devised in the form of 10 already existing wiki articles that I am not quite sure that you are aware of (and which we ought to improve in 2012). Start by reading the names (without clicking on the links) and see if you know at all what they stand for (culinarily). So what is a Cullen Skink?, a Noilly Prat?, a longaniza?, what are the two different drinks that correspond to the names Pommard and Pommery?, what's the dondurma?, which country does the Bomba rice hail from?, what herb is called in Turkish Frenk maydanozu ("Frankish parsley")?, what is a flummery?, what's the difference between tempeh and tempura? and finally what edible mollusca is called in Spanish "caracol"?

At least 8 correct answers out of ten are needed in order to pass the test. 10 out of 10 would make you stand apart as a true connoisseur... Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 16:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I failed on Cullen Skink, Bomba rice, and Frenk Maydanozu... Well done anyway! I bet you thought that Bomba(y) rice must Indian! As for the Frankish parsley of the Turks, well, chervil is quite an obscure herb anyway, though I'm surprised that you failed to connect it to the Greek φραγκομαϊντανός Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Börek

Cited article doesn't connect the Romanian word 'buric' "navel" with the food. That's correct. It doesn't. It is the missing link that ultimately invalidates the hypothesis. But buric is the rhotacized version of umbillicum, something that those who analyze the etymology of umbilico clearly specify (see etimo.it). Could it have entered the Turkish lexical/gastronomical repertoire? I really doubt since the map of boreka (see map) does not cover Romania. Also, there is the Italian burriche to be found on the same map but I guess that it is unrelated to 'navel'. Or is it?

A photo of a plate filled with burriche à la Ferrara. They look like kourampiedhes to me :)Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Now I found where I had seen the reference to "kurabiye" that I asked you the other day. Macrakis, in relation to the the change you made about Dolma: Those words (wrong usage) were added by me, some time ago. The reason was, mostly, in Turkey we see this use as vulgar, ignorant. (Upper class POV :-) Secondly, I think (personal observation POV) there are so many Turkish food "büfe"s in Europe (in German speaking countries called "imbiss") run by people who emigrated there to work as blue collar workers, and after making some money changed to independent (small scale) business owners, that they destroyed a bit both the Turkish food they sell and also the name list; simply because most of them were not very qualified to do what they do. (Some of them have excelled in taste but that is another thing.) Last but not the least of course, I also (again personally) believe that Turkish words have been altered or given wrong meanings by other nationalities of the Ottoman Empire, like in the case of using sarma and derivatives for dolma or viceversa. Thank you for deleting my unreferenced contribution, although I still think it was useful. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 13:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Isola Bella

Re [this edit]. Yes, that’s the literal translation of course: but wasn’t the island actually named as a contraction of Isabella, wife (or something) of one of the Borromeos? Ian Spackman (talk) 07:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually do ignore that: I see that we give the derivation at the start of the article proper, and it is useful to include the literal translation. Ian Spackman (talk) 07:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: R bugs

Sir, software bugs should be mentioned in the software articles. Especially in stable releases. Wikipedia strives for unbiased assessment of things, correct? If we do not mention bugs, this won't be unbiased. Bug in the "stable" release is a notable and reproducible feature.

And - deleting a section is vandalism, isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.66.10 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Levantine, derogatory/pejoritive/insulting

I was researching the term "Levant" in order to better understand a piece of literature. I think I am (at least a little) representative of many users, in that I was familiar with the term "Levant" but had never in my life heard the term Franco-Levantine. Furthermore, I never would have run a search on that term, and Wikipedia does not offer that term at all when I search for "Levant" or "Levantine" Therefore your burying the "derogatory" part in the Franco-Levantine section would have prevented me from understanding the literature I was researching.

Now I see that my efforts to improve the article have resulted in the article becoming worse; the "citation needed" section about "Levantine" being derogatory (in the post WWI years) has been moved/deleted. Is this a case of political correctness? Is someone worried that the Levantine community will be offended by reporting the fact that in the post WWI years "Levantine" was often used in a derogatory manner?

Golindouch

Chalk it up to a brain fart. I've revised the cats. Though I suspect if she's pre-congregation she'd be venerated in the Catholic Church as well; such is my experience, as far as I know. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Crème Chantilly

Bonjour :). Puisque vous parlez français, je me permets d'utiliser ma langue maternelle, ce sera plus simple... Ce que vous avez écrit au sujet de la Crème Chantilly est tout simplement faux... Si vous aviez seulement lu le fichier PDF cité en référence [1], vous auriez constaté qu'il est fait mention du chateau de chantilly pour le déjeuner de la baronne d'Oberkirch. Ce n'est pas du tout le château de Versailles !! Traduction : it's not the château de Versailles but the château de Chantilly ! Le hameau du château de Chantilly a ensuite inspiré la reine Marie Antoinette pour la création d'un hameau identique au chateau de Versailles... C'est clairement expliqué dans le PDF page 4 [2]. Savez-vous seulement lire le français ? Apparemment, pas du tout... Deuxièmement, la fr:crème fouettée et la fr:crème chantilly sont deux recettes différentes. Je suis français, et je suis bien placé pour le savoir je pense ? ... Il y a deux articles différents sur le wikipédia francophone... Désolé de vous contredire... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleur44 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re-bonjour. Je vois que vous comprenez le français, félicitations :) ... Vos sources ne sont pas vérifiables, pourriez-vous me donner un lien consultable en ligne ? En français "whipped cream" se traduit exclusivement par "crème fouettée". La crème fouettée, comme son nom l'indique est simplement "battue" sans aucune addition. La crème Chantilly, comme indiquée dans l'article de wikipédia, contient du sucre et de la vanille. Pourquoi la baronne d'Orberkirch aurait-elle utilisée le terme "crème chantilly" s'il s'agissait simplement de "crème fouettée" (= whipped cream in english) ? La crème chantilly a été créée au château de Chantilly, voici la raison pour laquelle elle porte ce nom... François Vatel était « contrôleur général de la Bouche » du Grand Condé au château de Chantilly en 1663, il en est plus que certainement l'inventeur. Si le nom de "Chantilly" ne vous plait pas (pour une raison que j'ignore), vous pouvez la renommer "Freedom Cream" si vous préférez :) ... Le french bashing est toujours à la mode dirait-on ? :) :) :) ... Je vous invite à lire la section "Stub Placement" dans la page de discussion [3] : 1 : Creme Chantilly is not the same as whipped cream. Whipped cream is 100% pure cream whipped until thick. Creme Chantilly is whipped cream that is sweetened and usually flavoured with vanilla - 2: The French name for whipped cream is more exactly crème fouettée. In my use of French (I'm a native speaker) this refers to the pure unsweetened version, while crème Chantilly is sweetened and usually lightly vanilla-flavoured. So this does not exactly refers to the same thing, even if the two are obviously related. I do not know about English use however, which may differ somewhat. Bertrand Bellet (talk) 13:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC). etc... Question subsidiaire : pouvez-vous me dire de quel pays provient la statue de la liberté ?? Bientôt on pourra lire sur Wikipédia qu'elle est une création américaine :) ... (humour) ... Fleur44 (talk) 17:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Vos sources ne sont absolument pas vérifiables, pourriez-vous faire une copie intégrale du texte d'origine ou mettre un lien vers le texte d'origine ? La crème fouettée ne contient aucun additif, la crème chantilly contient du sucre et de la vanille. C'est la recette : "Pour faire la crème Chantilly, on prend un demi litre de bonne crème de lait, on lui incorpore 50 grammes de sucre pulvérisé et vanillé, puis on fouette le tout; au bout de quelques minutes le mélange devient léger et ferme, il gonfle qu'on appelle une crème Chantilly." [4] "La cuisine rationnelle des malades et des bien portants" (1907). Autre source sur la crème fouettée cette fois-ci : : Creme fouettée : Crème qu'on fait mousser en la battant [5] "Larousse Grand Dictionnaire du XIXe siècle (1869)" . Il n'y a pas de sucre ni de vanille dans la crème fouettée !!! Vous écrivez vraiment n'importe quoi pour avoir raison. Fleur44 (talk) 19:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to Absolute Value

Macrackis,

I appreciate the spirit of your recent edits to the absolute value page. Given your background, you are well qualified a contributor to the substance of this page. However, as an inclusionist, I find it necessary to take a strong stance in favor of retaining mathematical material that you, and, indeed, even I, may take for granted. Speaking specifically about your choice to remove the "trivial application of the chain rule", I believe that, for most of the people of who would visit this page, the derivatives of functions involving the absolute value are not trivial. It is easy for someone who teaches at the graduate school level to take certain mathematical skill sets for granted when the reality is that most people do not posess them. Therefore, I have decided, rather than reverting your edit, I am going to simply add the material once again, and provide a link to the chain rule. My hope is that you will see this as a fair compromise that is best for the average reader.KlappCK (talk) 14:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for cleaning up after my messy editing. I sometimes get preoccupied with the math at the cost of clarity in my verbal description of the material.KlappCK (talk) 04:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

canonical

Quite right, it was a bit well camoflaged for me. If you are happy to do the split then I will not object. Op47 (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Commonwealth realm

I will raise your edit on the talk page for input. Hope you take the time to explain things for us. Thanks. 86.45.54.230 (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


leary-letvinn

Bud Collins' article is trash. I can sum up his entire article in a few words. According to Collins, Lettvin says "Bullshit", therefore he wins. Bud Collins article is clearly biased, far moreso than anything I've added to the page. At this point I've distilled the contents of my contribution to PURE facts. There is nothing in my post that cannot be substantiated from the source material.

Lettvin brought insults, religion, and anecdotal evidence to the debate in support of his position. I was quite surprised that such a renowned scientist presented his case in that manner, but fact are facts, and that is what he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.233.163.45 (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Yes, I have seen those pages. How is the original research page even relevant at this point? Perhaps you could elaborate on exactly what the problem is with my contribution yourself rather than linking me to irrelevant pages. Which fact that I've posted in particular do you believe is untrue?

The original research page reads "such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist".

The facts I presented are not original research! The one or two sentences I had that may have been construed as such have been removed several edits ago. All that is left is pure unadulterated facts that are easily substantiated by reviewing the source material.

And as for neutral point of view, I'm neutral, though I'm beginning to suspect that you're not. Was Jerome a friend of yours? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.233.163.45 (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Socratic Barnstar
I award you this barnstar because you are skilled and eloquent in your arguments. Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tripe soup (Flaki)

-- moving this to Talk:Tripe soup --

Tripe soup (flaki) place of origin is Poland in the early 14th century. It's very traditional soup to the Polish people please keep what I had done do not change it. Comparing from other nations that we're influenced from Poland the soup looks nothing a like....... I know many Romanian, Turkish, and other peoples they do not eat this food as people of Poland. For Romanian, Turkish people it's like pizza not an everyday food as it has not origin in from their country but still part of their nation cuisine... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrueHistoryPoland (talk • contribs) 23:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please check...

... Talk:Ottoman period in the history of Serbia#Consensus on name once and for all --FocalPoint (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: tripe soup

Please bring it up at WP:EWN. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your perspective would be valued

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed in a significant way since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

  • 1. As the originator of the page Eggah, I thought you might like to know that User:Pare Mo initiated a merge request to merge Eggah into Kuku. See Talk:Eggah#Eggah merge to Kuku if you wish to comment. You will see that I oppose the merge.
  • 2. Why did you originally name the page Eggah (with gg). Standard Arabic transcription should be Ajjah (with jj). Since the name is used throughout the Arabic speaking world for omelettes, I think a standard transcription is desirable over any one dialect. Could it be that Claudia Roden (the one and only reference) uses that spelling? If so, remember that Roden, based on her heritage, probably uses either an Egyptian or a Syrian Halabi pronunciation, not standard Arabic. After the merge discussion is put to rest and the article is expanded to include national variations, I would be in favor of renaming the article 'Ajjah. (unsigned comment by User:Atefrat 2012-06-13T03:44:30‎)
(Hey Makrakis, the following comment may belong directly under your "Support" comment on the Eggah discussion. I just wasn't sure if it customary behavior to place a rebuttal there, so I put it here.): Should we merge Beef bourguignon, Carbonade flamande, Goulash and Mechado? After all, they are all basically beef stews. Should we merge Eggah and Kuku? After all, they are both basically 'vegetable cakes bound by eggs'. Wait a minute: Kuku is, indeed, a vegetable cake bound by eggs. But Eggah is an egg dish flavored with vegetables. (based on the egg-to-vegetable ratios of the two different dishes) --@Efrat (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gourmets of the world: Unite!

Hello.

Is kouramphie? the same thing as "kurabiye"? Is Thinkfood only an Armenian who does not have much sympathy with the Turks or is he also a bit "obsessed" with Ottoman food etimology? :-)

All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody Christmas in Cyprus, 1963

Would you like to contribute to the discussion in WP? It is a humanitarian issue... Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Syntactic sugar

Hey there,

So it looks like you're the man for the job : ) Would you be so kind as to add an example to the lead section of the Syntactic sugar article? I would, but I'm not an expert.

InternetMeme (talk) 21:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fair. So, do you feel up to the task? Or do you know anyone that is? If not, I'll do my best, but I'm not really qualified to explain it very well. But anything's better than nothing at this stage.

InternetMeme (talk) 23:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hell Gate Bridge plaque.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Hell Gate Bridge plaque.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Sreejith K (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Tymshare SuperBasic

The article Tymshare SuperBasic has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No established notability through secondary sources

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Baklava

Hi, Macrakis. How are you doing? (Ti kanis?) Would you mind putting Turkey on top at the "regional variations" section of Baklava. I could do it myself; it is the most approppiate thing to do, as no-one here would normally think Afghanistan and Cyprus have invented -or made famous worldwide- this dessert. However, there are people who instead of looking at the edition itself prefer to concentrate on the contributor and search for conspiracy behind any simple edition. This is why I request you to kindly do it; not for me, for the sake of baklava... Thanks in advance and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Excalibur (coating)

The article Excalibur (coating) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not a notable product. Sources, such as they are, are a patent, a company brochure and one text that includes it in a list of the manufacturer's products (trivial coverage).

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pastirma

Please see my comments. Regards --Greenmaven (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to WikiProject Brands

Hello, Macrakis.

You are invited to join WikiProject Brands, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of brands and brand-related topics.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Surf and turf

I now better-understand your perspective upon reviewing your recent edit summary in the Revision history for the Surf and turf article regarding use of the book Grilling Surf and Turf in the article. This makes sense, and I won't revert the removal of the book. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 03:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boundary between meta-circular evaluation and low level languages

Hello good sir. I recently noticed that you are an expert on the design of programming languages. I have a question about a decent way to design a very efficient language that is still meta-circularly capable.

Let us assume that we would like to design a high level meta-circularly capable language ALPHA, and we would also like to translate it into low level commands in a language known as OMEGA before actually executing the code. However, we are worried that OMEGA is so low level that meta-circular evaluation would become completely impossible (or simply very difficult) at that level. Instead, we might choose to translate into the languages BETA or GAMMA rather than OMEGA.

Is this right? Is it possible for a language to be so low level, that the meta-circular evaluation of a higher level language becomes extremely difficult to design? Or can it be mathematically proven that any Turing complete language can always implement any meta-circularly capable language, even if that higher-level language is completely translated into the very basic Turing machine operations?

Also, most importantly, would it be possible to find Wikipedia article(s) or scholarly article(s) on this particular topic? I would like to see the facts for myself.

Thank you very much for your time. --Carrot Lord (talk) 07:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the reply on my Talk Page. It is good to hear a bit of knowledge from a very experienced software designer. --Carrot Lord (talk) 15:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Borges Influences

I wonder what your opinion is of the (unsourced) lists of influences on the author pages of authors such as Dostoevsky, Kafka, Flaubert, Kant, David Hume, Faulkner, etc.? As far as I know almost every author page on Wikipedia includes these lists. In this context it seems unreasonable to single out Borges for persecution. (Best wishes by the way, I am only eager to find a solution for this discrepancy.) Anti-Macrakis (talk) 18:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note the discussion here: Template_talk:Infobox_writer, which indicates that the influenced section may well be removed from the template for the reasons you have mentioned. Anti-Macrakis (talk) 19:01, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I think the best thing to do is to have a limited list of influences with citations linking from the box itself. I understand that that section is very susceptible to fly-by edits, which is unfortunate. However, the reason I am so interested is that on any author page this section provides a quick reference for further reading, which is useful for someone like me who uses author pages as reading guides. - Anti-Macrakis (talk) 20:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Goulash and Aloo goosht

Hi M.! Can you check the Turkish language reference of my latest edit which alludes to the common roots of the two dishes? Do you agree with it? Thanx in advance! Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in the source you cited to support your claim. Apostolos, I notice you have repeatedly played fast and loose with unsourced and poorly sourced claims of etymological connections like this. You really need to stop. It's disruptive. Hands off from all topics related to etymology; you clearly lack the qualification to read and recognize reliable sources about such matters and distinguish them from unreliable ones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alright then, Fut.Perf. If you say so... (BTW Long time no see :)) Yet (unlike you) I am quite fluent in Hungarian language so let me make good use out of this expertise. It is important that you too stay away from topics that do not entirely overlap with your fields of interest and competence. "Gulya" translates in Hungarian by "beast". The Hungarians (and their language) consist of multiple tribal and ethnic layers, the Persian speaking Jassic_people being just one of them. Perhaps "gulya" (herd of cattle, multitude of beasts) and the Iranian "gosht" come from the same source given the fact that these Iranophones live since the early Middle Ages in the midst of the Hungarians and having become by now one and the same people. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC) This reliable source says that "Gulya szavunk elsődleges jelentése ' szarvasmarha' lehetett, s felmerült kaukázusi származásának ötlete." (The original meaning of the word Gulya must have been that of "beef cattle" and the theory of the Caucasian origin of the word is credible) Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 13:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC) P.S. I apologize to Macrackis for having to answer Fut.Perf. as he interfered quite unexpectedly in what was a dialogue between me and you.[reply]
I'll move this discussion to Apostolos' talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alright then... this is the link I was talking about.... Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Davis (Unicode)

Hello! Glad to see you are interested in Unicode related topics. Curious though, where your information on Unicode / Mark are from? Some of the items aren't quite correct. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 16:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Added a reference for CLDR. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 20:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greek alphabet

You are correct about the age :) my mistake, thank you for the help. Lactasamir (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Gigablast

i have taken the content from your saved version of the gigablast wikipedia pages an put it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigablast with some slight modifications. it has been there for a while without issue, but it has come up for a speedy deletion yesterday. i stated on the Talk page as to why it should not be deleted. do you have any advice (i am new at this)? Wiki12rt (talk) 16:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

now a deletion articles page has been formed. is there a way to vote on that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gigablast_%282nd_nomination%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki12rt (talk • contribs) 16:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Food

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Notability (Gigablast etc.)

Though I certainly agree with you that articles on non-notable subjects don't belong on WP (i.e., I am not an "inclusionist"), and that we really do have to take seriously the significance of coverage, I don't agree with your interpretation of some of the rules.

In particular, it seems to me that undergraduate textbooks are an excellent indication of notability -- like encyclopedias, they are tertiary sources which must choose significant topics in their area. Academic works can also be excellent indicators of notability, though (like all sources), they have to be used judiciously: even if there is a whole (and very interesting) book about an 18th-century barber's writings, that doesn't mean that the barber himself (described by the book as a nobody, an individual commoner) is notable. Trade magazines are often good sources for the topics they cover, even if the topics fly below the NYT or WSJ's radar, though of course you have to be careful.

As for articles which often get bad edits from COI accounts, policy is I think pretty clear about this. Notability inheres to the topic, not to the text of the article or its contributors. Just because an article is of poor quality, or poorly edited by a COI editor, does not mean it should be deleted, unless it is "exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten". It should be improved, not deleted. I don't think your Covenant Eyes example[6] shows the contrary; only that Covenant Eyes didn't have significant independent coverage. --Macrakis (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.
I agree that academic sources often indicate notability; I was mistaken when I voted at the Gigablast and Vivisimo AfDs. (You may quote me as having said so if you like.)
I still feel that trade magazines are usually not good sources for proving notability; we can debate this more if you like.
About your last paragraph: I agree with that too.
Cheers, —Unforgettableid (talk) 20:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Watching the watchlist, Nils von Barth

Hello, Macrakis. You have new messages at Nbarth's talk page.
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Slavery article

Hi, Please don't remove reference to where the Greek word came from in the slavery article. It is very important. There is a very long talk about it in the talk page of the article, so give it a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZYXW9876 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It already was discussed a thousand times and there was consensus to keep it in as it is relevant how the word got twisted to mean something totally opposite. And I am discussing it here because if you would have looked at the talk page you would have seen that. I am not going thru this again. And I am reverting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZYXW9876 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stop reverting or you will be blocked, or removed from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZYXW9876 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cornell French Toast Project

Hi Macrakis,

Thank you so much for your feedback, it is much appreciated. Sorry for the errors. Getting back to you about the nutritional information, we added it again with references to the USDA, because we were under the impression it was taken down due to lack of sources. Is this not the case? Thanks again for your input.

Laurenjlloyd (talk) 03:00, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

APL

Please feel free to edit the first section as you wish as long as it states clearly that it is a HISTORIC language. This is the most important information for everybody that reaches this page. I didn't know what APL was and had to read 3-4 pages until I realized the only fact I needed to know. Uffish (talk) 09:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tripoli, Greece

Hello. I would like to notify you that there has been going some sort of edit-warring on this article during the past two weeks[7] over an old edit of yours[8]. Your input in the relevant talk page will be welcome. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conseils de l'ordre des médecins en France listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Conseils de l'ordre des médecins en France. Since you had some involvement with the Conseils de l'ordre des médecins en France redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conseils de l'ordre des médecins en France listed at Redirects for discussion

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Pantomime

Thanks for the message, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater: By simply reverting a series of edits, you deleted an unrelated request for citation. I have made some minor tweaks to what you did that I think you will find acceptable, for clarity and to merely fill out your shorthand to full sentences. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel's Sex/Gender

Hi Macrakis, With regard to this edit (12:19, November 16, 2013) and this edit (12:55, November 16, 2013), I reverted the changes you made back to this one (23:17, November 15, 2013). I did this pursuant to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View Policy, which calls for "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic..." My full explanation for this revision pursuant to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View Policy, along with a response to your concern over the Blogspot.com article and About.com page, is provided on the Gabriel Talk Page (12:44, November 17, 2013). Crice88 (talk) 19:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Versatile person

Versatile person
You are a Versatile person (maybe is not good English, Sorry) Gsarwa (talk) 03:17, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have read your User:Macrakis and I think you are a versatile person which know technical and digital issues, languanges and also arts (architecture). Commonly who know well about languages and arts have difficulty in mathematic, but you got both. If you also know well about phylosophy, certainly I will call you a Perfect person.Gsarwa (talk) 05:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

stub tags

Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article like Susan Landau Finch which already has a specific stub tag. It just wastes other editors' time. Please also note that stub tags go after categories (per WP:ORDER): if you go to the right part of the article you are more likely to spot that there's already a stub tag present. Thanks. PamD 23:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

stub tags

Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article like Susan Landau Finch which already has a specific stub tag. It just wastes other editors' time. Please also note that stub tags go after categories (per WP:ORDER): if you go to the right part of the article you are more likely to spot that there's already a stub tag present. Thanks. PamD 23:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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