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Finacle

Hi Andy, I'm currently rewriting Finacle. I need your opinion. Do you think I can take it to DYK? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

You only have around 540 character of prose. It had more than that on 18 June. Per Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules, five times expansion would be needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about the size. I can get it beyond 1500. I took down promotional/copyvio texts. I was talking of a hook wise. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

There's always something that can be sued as a hook. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Steve Ormerod

Hello! Your submission of Steve Ormerod at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

2nd Hum Awards

Hello, Andy Mabbett, i want you to add one more Parameter in Infobox film awards which is: best_drama_serial_popular, could you please add this parameter, as it is necessary for description in 2nd Hum Awards. You can visit this page for further description, but, it is important to mention this parameter in Template box of film Awards. And one more could you change the previous parameter best_drama_serial to best_drama_serial_jury. Please i am waiting for your action. Fushan ^{talk to Faizan} July 08, 2014, 20:36(UTC)

Please see Template talk:Infobox film awards#New drama parameter proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/John McClure (producer)

Andy, significant issues remain on this nomination going well beyond the one blacklisted source. Please stop by as soon as possible to deal with them. At this point, you owe QPQs not only on this nomination, but on the Beryl Randle and Steve Ormerod nominations as well. The Beryl Randle is two weeks overdue at this point, and I imagine the nomination will be closed within a week if you don't supply a quid pro quo review there, with Steve Ormerod not far behind. Thank you for taking action on these. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

About Selma (film)

You placed an 'outdated' tag on Selma. The film is still in production or post production, and is not scheduled for release until December 25, 2014. If you have specific information that should be added to the article, please make the edit, or raise the subject on the talk page. Otherwise those of us who have worked on the article must guess at what you mean. - Neonorange (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I placed the tag because the article includes dated events, in the past, but refers to them in the future tense. This should not need a talk page explanation; nor guesswork. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I assume good faith, but had you done that in the beginning, no guesswork - and no exchange of messages. It is an inappropriate tag; I'm removing it. 'Dated' means old information, not improper tense. Without your explanation of your use of the word guesswork is all that's left. - Neonorange (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

And to save guesswork on your part, an amplified explanation: dated means old and superseded information. - Neonorange (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

And I've restored it; "is scheduled for June 23–26" is "old and superseded". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I see some of your point. This now seems to be a discussion in philosophy/philology. The tense is one problem, and, I think, the main problem. On the other hand, WP:RS are easy for the projected shooting schedule; but not so easy about the projected shooting schedule having finished. I've edited on only one film article. However, I believe the fact that this article was published in Wikipedia six months before the film's first limited distribution is perhaps part of the problem. I think the future tense is proper as that is what the references state. It may very well be that principle photography is done, but there may not be any WP:RS more recent, and we can not draw such a conclusion. Your tag still is not really the best flag that you have found something wrong. I hesitate to get into convoluted constructions such as - it was reported in May that shooting in Selma would be done in the fourth week of June. It is not as if the World Cup schedule was reported in a Wikipedia article published in March, and by mid July there had been no update. - Neonorange (talk) 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I do think your concerns are valid. I don't think the tag is helpful, especially for attracting help from someone who has not worked on the article. I'll think about a solution. One approach is to completely remove the sentence you mention. Then, when (if it does) a WP:RS 'principal shooting ended' appears, insert a new sentence. Can you think of a more precise tag? - Neonorange (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

tl;dr. The article is outdated. It requires an update. If - for whatever reasons - you cannot make the update, go and do something useful elsewhere, and leave it for someone who can. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:cite doi RfC

Because you commented at this discussion, I would appreciate your views at this RfC on the particular issue of DOI templates. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2014

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Chrome

Nominated Chrome for FAC today, FYI: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1. Grab your popcorn and watch the show. Montanabw^(talk) 22:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Beryl Randle

Hello, Andy. Would you like to address the issue raised by 97198, please? Please respond on the DYK nom template. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@PFHLai: Thanks for the reminder; that's now done. I don't feel comfortable with these reviews, and wish there was some other way to offset some of the large volume of work I do for Wikipedia, in other spheres, against my nominations. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:20, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, Andy. Your wikicontribution is much appreciated. To be honest, I ain't too comfortable with these reviews, either. Oh, well.... --PFHLai (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #117

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persondata

I saw your message at WikiData about the possibility of a lua template. Before I do anything, are you ok with me proposing the removal of persondata? Can I email you the proposal before I post it, so you can look it over? Bgwhite (talk) 19:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Yes, to both. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

See User:Bgwhite/Sandbox. Feel free to edit away. Bgwhite (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I have posted the RFC here. Bgwhite (talk) 21:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; I've had your draft open in a browser tab for the last few days, but couldn't think of nay improvements. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Flass

The location is here, but I'm afraid I don't know what information it is you need/how to add to the article. Can you help? J Milburn (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! J Milburn (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@J Milburn: My pleasure. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:58, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Break character in titles in templates

Do you know why there is a gap added by using the break character in the infobox template in articles such as James Gibbons. The gap looks awkward, as if there is a line of text that is missing. It is created by adding a break character before the person's name. If it is a style that has been agreed on, we should add it to the template directly, but to my eye it looks awkward. What do you think? Is it possible it is there just to add more color to the infobox? Look at James Roosevelt Bayley for one where I removed the gap. I am sure this has been discussed already, but you would be the one to know. You can change back Bayley after you peek at it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I think they're a legacy from a time before the template layout was improved. Remove them, as I just did on your former example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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You have violated an active ArbCom restriction. Please self-revert immediately or you may be subject to an Arbitration Enforcement action. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Nikkimaria, you need to leave more info than just a threat. Which article and what restriction? Bgwhite (talk) 01:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Pigsonthewing_and_infoboxes, Albert Schram. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

(watching) I looked at the article which had not come to my attention before. The edit improves Wikipedia. It's unfortunate that arbcom restrictions prevent that, see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

No, Nikki, as an intelligent reading of the relevant diffs shows, I did no such thing. But you're still stalking my (and others') edits. How many times have I (and others) told you to stop doing that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I confess that I also fell for the first impression. We know from the case that looking at a diff without context can result in strange evaluation. Do you remember that you reportedly deliberately parachuted into infobox editing disputes in such contentious areas (causing the comment "concerns me deeply"), where all you did was uncollapsing an infobox and placing it in the normal position. Nobody questioned the false evaluation (I tried at least), - that concerns me deeply. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's find out. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

What I see: an editor who worked on the article inserted infobox material in edits such as this, and you, Andy, only formatted it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Like I said, an intelligent reading... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #118

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Template: Pink Floyd singles

Hi, I'm beatleswhobeachboys. If you're okay with it, I would like to, rather than delete the template as you preposed, use it by placing it in the Pink Floyd template, similarly to the Beach Boys template below:

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The Bugle: Issue C, July 2014

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• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 17. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 22, and to all Wikipedias on July 24 (calendar).
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Clarification request: Infoboxes

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