Talk:Taiwan

2021 年 4 月 1 日半保护编辑请求

Taiwan is a province of China, it is not an independent country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clCRgDpqFzo Tessy-0 (talk) 04:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Not done: this has been discussed to death on this talk page - and over many years (see the archives). You'd need to establish consensus for a change like that, it's not something that can be handled through a simple edit request. BushelCandle (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Is this an april fools joke? Not to mention, using CCTV as a source out of ALL sources? This has to be a joke Tisthefirstletter (talk) 05:01, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Country with limited recognition

I think it should be stated in the first lines that is a country with limited recognition. It is a important fact and keeps the article impartial. Also i dont know why are the references 15 and 16 in the first line, they are not related to that sentence. Astroch00 (talk) 22:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I know that the CCP and its robots obsess about how much recognition Taiwan has or doesn't get (and announce that this is a reason to commit armed aggression) but the rest of the sane world doesn't wake up and go to bed each day with the largely unrecognised status of Taiwan as a major concern.

That Taiwan is a country with limited diplomatic recognition is mentioned clearly in the last paragraph of the lede (and explored at length later in the article) and this means that due and impartial weight has been given in our article to the PRC's bully boy tactics and flouting of the UN Charter rights of self-determination.

"By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter." (The United Nation General Assembly Resolution 2625 (XXV): Declaration of Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, 24 October 1970) --BushelCandle 23:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

This has been discussed to death [1] just a few months ago and you're not bringing up any new points. DrIdiot (talk) 14:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I do feel like the lead section is not impartial because the three first paragraphs treat Taiwan as any other country, only the fourth paragraph really explains the complicated sovereignty issue. In my opinion, other versions of Wikipedia (French, German and Chinese) are much more neutral/impartial. Even in the article on China itself, the fact that sovereignty over China is disputed is already mentioned in the second paragraph. De wafelenbak (talk) 11:46, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I just had a look at the China article's introduction. While you are technically correct, the two segments on disputed sovereignty within the introductions of the China and Taiwan articles are not truly comparable. The China article's introduction consists of four paragraphs. The first is the brief geopolitical summary. The second, which contains almost three times as many words as the first, outlines the fundamentals of China's history from ancient times up until the present. Meanwhile, the third discusses Chinese politics and human rights issues, and the fourth discusses the Chinese economy and the Chinese military. There are brief comments about the Chinese Civil War towards the end of the second paragraph, including the fact that the Republic of China took refuge in Taiwan in 1949 and has remained there ever since. The information is not entirely accurate, or it is otherwise misleading. For example, it says "resulted in a division of territory", which, while somewhat true, is also blatantly false, since Taiwan was never under ROC sovereignty, but rather occupation, from 1945 up until 1952. The San Francisco Treaty of 1952 also never legally ceded Taiwan to the ROC, although it did relinquish Taiwan from Japanese sovereignty. Furthermore, the idea that "Both the PRC and the ROC currently claim to be the sole legitimate government of China" is also outdated, since the current ROC government, under the DPP administration, does not explicitly support the territorial claim to mainland China. It must also be said that the entirety of the rest of the China article is heavily biased towards favourable views of China. Additionally, the Chinese territorial claim to Taiwan, whilst never outright supported, is frequently alluded to, on the basis of "Taiwan is a province of the ROC that is claimed by the PRC". Taiwan is never ascribed its own agency as a distinct entity throughout the article. | In the Taiwan article, there are also four paragraphs in the introduction. The first is the brief geopolitical summary. The second is the history segment, much shorter than the China article's equivalent history segment. The third is about Taiwan's politics and economy. The fourth is about Taiwan's political status, the territorial dispute with China, and the Taiwan independence movement. It is comparatively the longest paragraph, around double the length of the three others, and around two-thirds the length of the China article's history paragraph (which is far too long, in my opinion). The fourth paragraph in the Taiwan article's introduction heavily delves into Taiwan's political status, with much more nuance and differing opinions, and does not just attempt to present opinions as facts, as the China article does. In fact, the China article does a poor job of explaining the entire situation, relegating Taiwan to the status of a mere island that is contested by two rival Chinese governments, completely ignoring the native inhabitants. In my opinion, the China article's segment about the Chinese territorial claim to Taiwan in its introduction should be more like the Taiwan article's segment, not the other way around. However, it seems that certain individuals would like to see the opposite result, with Taiwan being relegated to the status of a "Chinese internal matter" or the "Taiwan question/issue/problem" within its own main article. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Geographic description for intro

It's misleading to mention PRC in the intro without mentioning their complicated relationship.

current version: "Neighbouring countries include the People's Republic of China (PRC) to the northwest, Japan to the northeast, and the Philippines to the south."

But it should be possible to keep both sides of politics out of the intro paragraph by describing physical location without national boarders, or at least without describing PRC as a "neighbouring country".

Irtapil (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Apparently your preferred version[2] is

Taiwan is located long the Western edge of the Pacific Ocean between Japan to the northeast and the Philippines.

That's a huge geographical omission just to avoid a political issue. Kanguole 13:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

All countries have complicated relationships with at least some of their neighbors, Taiwan’s relationship with Japan is also complicated... Why the focus on China? You appear to be trying to insert politics rather than remove it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

It's confusing to say that a part of China is also a neighbor of China. TFD (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

What part of China? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Or is the question, which part of which China? --Tærkast (Discuss) 20:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Horse Eye's Back - politics and location should be kept separate. Another example is - Ireland (the country) has a complicated relationship with the UK but one wouldn't leave out the descriptive location of Ireland (the island) because a part of the island is politically part of the UK. The Ireland article and this article goes on to describe the political situation in the following sentence/paragraph of the lede so I really don't see the issue. It is important as editors that we try to read articles (especially the lede) as though we are newcomers to the subject. Clarity and simplicity. The article goes into more detail for those who want to be more informed but removing the PRC from its geographic place in relationship to Taiwan is inaccurate and misleading. Robynthehode (talk) 22:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Point One - "Borders", not "Boarders". Point Two - This article is a national/state article, not a geographical one, so there's no discrepancy with mentioning borders. Point Three - As another user has pointed out, pretending that China (aka the PRC or mainland China) doesn't exist creates more problems than the current situation, wherein the PRC is described as a separate country from Taiwan/ROC. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 11:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

Edit nominal gdp of Taiwan to:

$32,123 (nominal) to align with “economy of Taiwan” wiki page. Taiwan’s gdp has increased due to strengthening exchange rates, and rapid growth during covid. 

Source: [6] "GDP: Preliminary Estimate for 2020Q4 and Outlook for 2021" (PDF). dgbas.gov.tw. Directorate-General of Budget Accounting and Statistics Executive Yuan. Retrieved 22 February 2021. 73.231.12.156 (talk) 14:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done I reviewed the source, the Economy of Taiwan page, and similar country pages which I noticed were already using 2021 preliminary estimates as well. Therefore, it was a reasonable and consistent change to make. Thank you! TimSmit (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2021

Taiwan is not a country. It's not recognized by U.N. 174.0.243.226 (talk) 19:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: see [3] DrIdiot (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021

Its not people’s republic of china , its a independent country so do remove that . 103.217.232.115 (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The article doesn't say that it's part of the PRC, just that the PRC claims it (which is unambiguously true) Vahurzpu (talk) 18:34, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021

Taiwan is a separate country not republic of china. 2409:4071:2119:EE76:46F3:FC79:7279:1D6D (talk) 09:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done, situation explained in the article. CMD (talk) 10:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

Change Taiwan being a republic of China to an Independent country being threatened of annexation by China Scorpion1138 (talk) 15:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See also the notices at the top of this page and many, many discussions throughout the archives of this talk page. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan being ignored by the world

All official outlets have begun to change the status of Taiwan from being an independent country to now a republic of china. Unless they have been officially annexed, this cannot be allowed to pass. Scorpion1138 (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

There is no county such as Taiwan.

Taiwan is a province under Republic of China or People's Republic of China. So Taiwan is not a country.

Please make correction.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.135.136 (talk) 23:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

While it is true that there is technically no sovereign state claimed or otherwise that goes by "Taiwan", as I understand it, Wikipedia labels most countries with their common English vernacular names, of which in the case of the Republic of China, is commonly known by as "Taiwan". JadeEditor (talk) 06:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the OP means Taiwan Province or Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China. Note that neither includes the entire territory of the political entity known as Taiwan. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Petition to change name to True China

Petition to change name to True China — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.23.40 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

see all the talk page discussion about this in the archive, this is not going to swim.Slatersteven (talk) 16:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

True China sounds like what a rapper would name their kid... No we will not be naming this article that. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Related move request

There is a related page move request President of the Republic of China → President of Taiwan--Uaat (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)