Talk:Black Lives Matter

Recent dispute about the "officer in Oregon" content

Content is being removed by Willbb234, who says that the content is "irrelevant to BLM views on law enforcement." Since the content is being removed and added without discussion, I wanted to try to start a discussion about the content. If it doesn't belong in that section, is there another section that it does belong to? There is a quote in the article about a response to the content: “I am highly offended, and I think other people should be,” said Teressa Raiford, a community activist involved in Black Lives Matter and Don’t Shoot Portland told the Oregonian. “I think it’s very unprofessional, especially someone in his position.” Perhaps the content can be reworded to include this, to more appropriately fit into the section? I don't feel that a blanket removal of the content is appropriate, but perhaps moving or rewording it would be a step towards resolving the dispute? - Aoidh (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I do not anticipate that Willbb234 is going to engage in any discussion at all. They seem only interested in plowing through. Jorm (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I think I agree with you. I am in favor of including the content, and think the response is helpful. However, I don't believe it belongs in the "Views on law enforcement subsection", as it's not primarily about how BLM views LE. Further, that subsection is part of "Criticism", and the content isn't primarily about criticism of BLM for the LE views. Could it belong in "Disproportionate policing of Black Lives Matter events"? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 22:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to engage in discussion with someone who blanket reverts and blatantly violates 3RR. Good day. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I think that would be a good place to put it. - Aoidh (talk) 22:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I feel that's a good place, too. I doubt we need to worry about Will; I'm certain they're headed for a topic ban soon enough. Jorm (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. Kind regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Willbb234: Either engage in constructive discussion or stop editing the article. Edit warring by you and Jorm aside, your edits are disruptive and neither adhering to consensus nor policy. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization

Should we capitalize "B" for Black? But in all newspaper articles, press releases, journals, and other encyclopedic purpose that capitalized Black. --Frontman830 (talk) 03:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I would support that change. Per MOS:PEOPLELANG capitalizing all ethno-racial color labels (Black and White) is endorsed by consensus, as is all lowercase (black and white). Mixed use (Black and white) has no consensus for or against usage. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 04:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Same as the New York Times and the Associated Press, always they used Black for capitalization (according to the AP Stylebook). --Frontman830 (talk) 02:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

And more! Those were factored into the discussion over the MOS. Again, I support the change but would recommend waiting to hear from at least one other editor. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Frontman830, the policy FFF mentions is newish. Previously we capitalized neither, and when RS started to capitalize Black, we discussed. The consensus seems to be that we aren't ready to enforce B/W, b/w, or B/w yet. We'll have to see how it shakes out in the mainstream press, and especially among those RS that lean conservative, in order to gain consensus for one style. There's an interesting chart from September 2020 here —valereee (talk) 12:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Including these ethnic words also been capitalized as Hispanic and Latino and Indigenous? --Frontman830 (talk) 12:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters/Archive 32#Proposed update to MOSCAPS regarding racial terms for the recent RFC, and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Discussion about capitalisation of Black (people) for ongoing discussion. Per WP:CONLOCAL, discussion here is pointless under the circumstances. FDW777 (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I would say that the wider consensus which determined MOS:PEOPLELANG explicitly endorses the use of local consensus, since it give multiple options. Do you have a different reading? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

There are many words been capitalized Black for Black nationalism. --Frontman830 (talk) 07:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I hadn't actually looked at the guideline itself, I just knew about the RFC and assumed the existing consensus was for non-capitalisation (since the point of the RFC was to capitalise). It strikes me as strange the manual of sttle would defer to local consensus, since the whole point of the manual of style is to maintain consistency across articles. FDW777 (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

It's an extremely unsatisfying result. While we're in this limbo together, want to chime in on what you think this article should do? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 21:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Blue plaque

@FDW777 and Qetuadgjzcbm: just to forestall some possible editing conflict, I wanted to clarify that the plaque itself says Black Lives Matter at the top, so it's definitely related. However, I support the results of FDW777's revert, as the sources do not support it being the first connected to the BLM movement and it's not clear from the sourcing that this one plaque merits mention in a very broad-scope article. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I will confess not actually looking at the image of the plaque, just searching the articles for BLM/Black Lives Matter and finding no matches in any of them. FDW777 (talk) 21:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Sentence looks wrong

This line under Policing use of excessive force, looks wrong: "About half of those killed were white, and one quarter were black, making the rate of deaths for black Americans (31 fatal shootings per million) more than twice as high as the rate for white Americans (13 fatal shootings per million)." Shouldn't it be "About half of those killed where black and one quarter were while [...]"? Celsiuss (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It's right. There are far more White people than Black people in the United States. Despite more White people being killed by police in absolute terms, Black people are killed at a much higher rate (according to this source). Firefangledfeathers (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Cuba

Fox and other right-wing sources say that BLM [I don't exactly know what this means, since the Wikipedia article calls it de-centralized, though "it" does have an executive committee etc.] issued a statement supporting the Cuban government in the wake of the summer 2021 protests in Cuba and that the statement drew strong negative responses: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-lives-matter-blames-us-praises-cuban-regime-social-media-erupts; Also https://www.nationalreview.com/news/black-lives-matter-blames-cuba-crisis-on-cruel-u-s-embargo/amp/, https://www.newsweek.com/why-black-lives-matter-defending-authoritarian-cuban-regime-opinion-1610283 (this last opinion piece has an image of what purports to be a text from BLM.) 79.134.37.73 (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't BLM, which is de-centralized, but the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation that put out that statement. And they did not claim support for the Cuban government, they called for the end of the Cuban embargo. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

when is the date going to be celebrate in america?

• YOUTUBE 12 people created the greatest social movement in history and ended slavery in their lives (English)

See sources on video

Flylikeaseagull (talk) 12:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)