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Merge of Satos

This article about the free-ranging urban dogs in Puerto Rico should be merged here, it's better dealt with under this article rather than as a separate topic. Fences&Windows 02:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laika

Is probably the most famous stray. Which others are notable? Drutt (talk) 08:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Malchk from Moscow is quite well known. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article at Malchik. Drutt (talk) 00:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well written, but a sad story. osm2066.213.185.78 (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nature and Scope of this article

This article is titled as if it were about free-ranging urban dogs in general, but if you read it it's clearly only about those of central Eurasia. Except someone recently stuck Latin America in the lead, which is true but there's nothing in the article about them. This whole article deserves a fundamental rethink. Chrisrus (talk) 03:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Lead

Feel free to edit:

Street dogs, known in scientific literature as free-ranging urban dogs or urban free-ranging dogs, are unconfined dogs that live in populated areas. They live virtually wherever there are cities and the local human population allows. Street dogs may be pets which have strayed from or simply allowed freedom by their owners, or may never have had an owner. Street dogs may be true mixed-breed dogs, a literal mix of purebred dogs, ancient unbred landraces such as the Indian pariah dog, more recently evolved naturally selected "breeds" such as the Sato.

Move to "Street dog"

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 08:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Free-ranging urban dog → Street dog – Move this to "Street dog" as per WP:COMMONNAME. Chrisrus (talk) 19:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. I doubt if most people would have heard the current term. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 21:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't gotten such a laugh out of a supposedly serious (or should I "scientific") title since I stumbled on "revenue enhancement". "Free-ranging urban dog" sounds like an ingredient in a healthier bosintang. — AjaxSmack 00:18, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it sounds like an attempt at a politically correct title. Heavens, we would not want to offend the sensibilities of these dogs by characterizing them as "street" dogs. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 04:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the reason. The term Free ranging dog was invented as a technical term to avoid distinctions inherent between Stray dogs, which implies having strayed from their owner, feral dog, which means never having been socialized, wild dogs, which having been feral so long it's become a wild animal. Street dogs are like village dogs, which implies ignorance of streets and urban life, but both might be sort of "community owned" and cared for, and make the rounds from friendly place to friendly place and even be neighborhood-named. Street dogs are distinguished fron rural free ranging dogs in general, which includes viliage dogs and rural people's uncontained and stray pets and rural feral dogs. I gather the term "free ranging dog" was arrived at because for the purposes of ecological studies and such, it doesn't matter so much why the dog isn't contained. But "urban free-ranging dog" is synonymous with "street dog" and so, barring some important reason why not, WP:COMMONNAME should prevail.

If you intend your comments to imply support for the move, please indicate so by adding typing Support along with them. Thank you for your support; it doesn't matter to me how you arrived at that support; I'm just saying that isn't not a polically correct thing. Chrisrus (talk) 06:15, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I did not intend to support the move but nor do I oppose it. I'm not versed in canine typology and don't care to research the topic. I suppose my view is only helpful in weighing of the issues of clarity or principle of least astonishment for a non-specialist reader. — AjaxSmack 20:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article title is better with its common name. "Free-ranging urban dog" seems to have very deep meanings for me. Angelica (talk to me?) 15:38, 08 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Amusing title, but WP:COMMONNAME here. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. What about stray dog, which is already a redirect to this article? Here is an ngram. Kauffner (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Please see Free-ranging_dog#Stray_dogs_vs_feral_dogs. Chrisrus (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment from Mcris31

I see no point in adding UK to the list, without any content. It seems to me it's a mock or prejudice Mcris31 (talk) 11:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would be perfectly reasonable to remove the section because it contains no information, but how is it a "mock" or "prejudice"? Are there no street dogs in the UK? Feel free to either remove the section or write an article about UK street dogs. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have been there and they were none. Which country are you from and have you been in UK? For example in my home country Romanian capital Bucharest are 64000 free street dogs, you can't miss them :( Mcris31 (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Negative connotation throughout

This article is very negative throughout. Things such as the "Quality of life" section are filled with a casual tone, and use negative terms without anything to back them up. Other parts are unsourced, such as the "people are often bitten" in the Romania section. The India section is entirely unsourced and in my view might be counted entirely original research. Also, the section on Serbian street dogs claims the dogs are a serious problem, but doesn't back this up.-86.148.85.9 (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So fix it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the facts are wrong, it's better to find citations than to delete facts. I tried to do this with a NYT article for the Indian section. Chrisrus (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think, you can safely say "people are often bitten" if you can say there are many dogs and use "global middle" proportion between numbers (it is safer to say "High numbers of street dogs may be related to high numbers of people being bitten" though). Sincerely, 212.41.54.249 (talk) 05:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Street dogs in Bangkok

Any reason why street dogs in Bangkok should be a separate article? I see that there are also articles on street dogs in Moscow and street dogs in Bucharest. I think the gist of these should be pulled out and integrated here. Otherwise we are going to end up with a hundred "Street dogs in [name of city]". Worse still, it might spur editors to start creating "Vagrant cats in ....." "Urban pigeons in ... Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a reasonable suggestion to me. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If there were enough sources published about, say for example, "Urban pigeons in Rome", there should be a separate article about them. Chrisrus (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dogs in urban environments listed at Redirects for discussion

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Merger proposal:Sato (dog)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge reliably sourced content. Cavalryman (talk) 21:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Sato (dog) to Street dog#Puerto Rico. Per WP:NOTDICTIONARY, this does not warrant a standalone article, with a minor amendment the Street dog sub-section could reflect everything pertinent in the Sato article. Cavalryman (talk) 04:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - merge or delete. The article states that "Sato is a Puerto Rican slang term referring to a mixed breed dog". Wikipedia is not a dictionary WP:NOTDIC, and certainly English Wikipedia is not a foreign word dictionary. William Harristalk 08:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge, though a redirect may be sufficient. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose delete Sato dog is a specific term^[1] by which many people in the business of animal shelters and volunteering in P.R. know the Puerto Rico stray. Plenty of sources reflect the term to use for P.R. stray dogs is Sato. A past discussion to delete the article was keep. Merging would in essence delete this article. Maybe the article could be redirected to new article Sato Project and Sato Project may meet notability because it's featured every time there's a natural disaster in Puerto Rico including the man-made one that led to so many strays on the island to begin with. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.travelandleisure.com/animals/puerto-rico-street-sato-dogs

Comment Sato also means mixed breed so how could it be merged or redirected when it means two things? It's a mongrel and more often than not also a street dog.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Eloquent Peasant, I remain unconvinced that you have provided enough to maintain this as a separate page, can you provide any WP:Reliable sources? Otherwise, despite your objections, consensus here is clearly for a redirect. Cavalryman (talk) 08:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Cavalryman Hi. Here are some WP:RS

1 WP:RS https://www.travelandleisure.com/animals/puerto-rico-street-sato-dogs The caption of the image refers to the dogs as sato, i.e. "sato/boxer mix", "sato/beagle mix", "poodle/sato mix"

2 WP:RS The Village Voice https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/03/22/the-great-puerto-rico-doglift/ "mixed-breed satos..."

3 WP:RS NYT https://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/06/us/puerto-rico-tackles-issue-of-stray-dogs-suffering.html "mixed-breed known as satos"

4 WP:RS El Nuevo Dia https://www.elnuevodia.com/noticias/mundo/nota/perrollamadolazarosobreviveainyeccionletal-1867235/ "Antes del intento de eutanasia, el sato había sido atropellado" Before the lethal injection the sato had already been hit by a car. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Eloquent Peasant, the first and second websites you have provided are not reliable sources, they expressly state in their terms of service that they do not warrant the accuracy of any information on their website. The forth merely mentions the term without any expansion upon it. Per WP:GNG, a subject is deemed to be notable if it “has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject”, I and clearly those above are not convinced that threshold has been met. WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Cavalryman (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

It has been several days and I can see you have been very active elsewhere on the project so I presume you have no other sources to contribute to the discussion. As such I am going to close the discussion. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 21:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

south america

Seems a section on south america is needed.

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+== south america ==
+Seems a section on south america is needed.