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Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity

Trying to make a connective path with others using the (talk) page, I am having trouble learning how to do this. I have limited understanding in binary two-point systemizing a talk page, my abilities are some what limited when it comes to operating a computer. I need a better way to... Two & "three-point" systemize a talk page. Is there a blog? Lmreva (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Use a system of Lkasc counting. A correct system of systems can overcorrect realdata and ruin any damage you try to mitigate politically. Your issue of dictate is a personally emotional- therefore personal meaning goes into your work, Lmreva.

As it is, ask a fractured German construct on how to [utility, utilitize; brasileran dataservif girl/team/mixed dictate dykas work]

The term itself is dykas - a movable system of point to 3point dehe-tent constructs. Jewry dictates this to be a cross between Schwarzscild radii and Einstein-Rosenberg Dose-Bose condensates. Try an icelet in a freezer in a Kards or Circle K.

Good day, m'sierue.

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[in short, go get mad at stranger, repeat till clinical histories come through. b'diad.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by V0konc (talk • contribs) 20:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lmreva, welcome to the Teahouse. Talk pages are not meant to be forums for discussion of article subjects - they are for discussing improvements to the articles. Also, Wikipedia's articles are based on what reliable sources have said about a subject, not on the opinions or research of Wikipedia editors. You appear to be seeking to discuss and include your own original research. This is best done on some other website - see a list of possibilities at WP:Alternative outlets. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You have created Draft:Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity. without references. My guess is that is your original thinking. There is no potential for this to become an article. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that draft is fever dreams, the result of too many psychoactive plant experiences, or an alien from the future come back to save us with his method for time travel, but I'm pretty sure it needs to be deleted. Heiro 20:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Heironymous Rowe You can disagree with a topic and/or the content, but please never disparage the creating editor. David notMD (talk) 23:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How do you "systematize a talk page"? None of that draft makes sense to me. David10244 (talk) 06:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft is now up for MfD here Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity. per Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes. Heiro 17:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Inner-space travel... Is infact real, to better help people understand the vectors involved, a different approach must be made to this draft... Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity has always been in existence... Naturalist physics and or those conventional wisdoms that deal with closed-looped mathematics are what they are, there is nothing that I can do about that. I am learning here, however, kinematics of an orbiting-particle system... Is with respect to the observers "size & time" domain... I cannot change the truth of the matter, it makes no difference to me, but it may for others. Lmreva (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lmreva, Wikipedia is not, in the end, about what is real or true, but only about what reliable sources say is real or true. If you are able to publish your research in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, it can then be summarized and cited here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If I understand this correctly, Nikola Tesla's work concerning spliting the positive would be a reliable source, comming under the category of Kirchhoff's loop rule, as well as... Being a "non-reliable source", ( Has not been in a "certain" peer-reviewed scientific journal, of which, can only be accepted by conventional wisdoms)? If I am thinking right, I would then need to look into peer-reviews of scientific journals concerning kinematic engineering? Thank you for your help, it is greatly appreciated. Lmreva (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lmreva, I think the answer to your second question is "yes". You would need to publish a paper in a peer-reviewed physics or engineering journal. As for your first question, Nikola Tesla put forth a great many theories, some of which have received widespread scientific acceptance, some not so much. The widespread acceptance is what's important here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

how do you add a barnstar?????

I am trying to add one on the user@Moops but can't find the thing. 47.203.176.217 (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. The built-in option to add a barnstar only appears for folks who are logged in to an account. You will need to find the appropriate code and insert it manually. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

In case if anyone was wondering, they have created an account, Nice user2, in advance. Tails Wx 18:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait, what?! It look like I accidentally logged out before I sent this question!Oh, wait... this was sent a long while ago! Nice user2 (talk) 21:23, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

On the page Wikipedia:Barnstars it shows you the code to add to the page for each barnstar. RudolfRed (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

help

i know ive seen an article or page on the youtuber graystillplays, but i cant find it, can someone give me a link? Allaoii ^talk 18:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Allaoii. Are you referring to Draft:GrayStillPlays? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

no there was a legitimete page with pictures and everything. Allaoii ^talk 18:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Allaoii, there was an AFD discussion about the subject, and was eventually deleted. Is this the article (which is now deleted) that you were referring to? Tails Wx 18:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

maybe? is there a way to view the deleted version? Allaoii ^talk 18:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii, you might be able to find an archived version via the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, or possibly a scraped version on some other wiki, but non-admins can't view deleted articles here on Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

how do i do that? Allaoii ^talk 19:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Type in the URL into the box on the website. Though, seeing how snapshots are static, I don't think the search function for Wikipedia (through the Wayback Machine) will work, so directly entering the website (here, it would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graystillplays) into the search box and seeing the snapshots would be more optimal.

You could also check Deletionpedia (not affiliated,) to see if they have anything. Explodicator7331 (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Only administrators can access the deleted page. You may request it to be undeleted and be draftified. (though it'll be hard considering that a draft already exists.) Tails Wx 18:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

then can you give me a link to the edit that removed it? maybe i can get around there Allaoii ^talk 19:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It's in the deletion log. Might want to contact Czar to see if they're willing to restore and draftify. Tails Wx 19:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

huh? please link me to said deletion log, the one you provided brings me to the place to draft it Allaoii ^talk 19:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii, maybe this will work better: 1. You can also just cancel out of the edit window. There is very little left to see, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Saying this more delicately ;)–here. Tails Wx 19:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

cancel out of the edit window? Allaoii ^talk 19:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii As an admin I can view the deleted page. There is nothing significant about the person there - just one paragraph pushing his interest in making videos. It did not meet WP:NBIO, and any attempt to recreate an article should be done from scratch with much more in depth reliable sources about him at Draft:GrayStillPlays. If they don't exist, there can't be an article about him - it's as simple as that. You can find a copy of the deleted article at a site totally unrelated to any Wikipedia project. It's called deletionpedia.org. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:25, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

i remember a real page with a picture and sections on his childhood and everything Allaoii ^talk 18:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii Nope. I've checked the deleted version and there was never anything like that on Wikipedia. Maybe you remember stuff from another platform. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

maybe i was just imagining it, either way can you send me a screenshot of the deleted page? Allaoii ^talk 17:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I know if a new article is published?

I created a new page. How do I know if it is 'live"? Soldier Friend (talk) 02:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It's "live", such as it is, here: [1]. That's in your user sandbox, so it's not a Wikipedia article. I think you'll want to have a look at WP:AUTOBIO. -- asilvering (talk) 02:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It is live in your sandbox, but it is not in the main article space. Google won't index it there. That is the direct answer to your direct question. Now for answers to questions you didn't ask: Your contribution is not ready to be moved to mainspace yet. It has no sources, therefore it fails our verifiability requirements. You need to demonstate in-depth coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources. Please see Help:Your first article. I hope that is useful. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I was having trouble adding links. I'll try again tomorrow with a fresh brain Soldier Friend (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Standard sections for biographical articles. Do not add hyperlinks. See Help:Referencing for beginners for ref format. All content must be either verified by references or removed. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the teahouse. I found you created a biography on your sandbox, this is a good start. You need some realiable sources for providing WP:Notability fot this person. Lemonaka (talk) 03:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I am used to a bit of a different format for publishing. I tried again with links and a photo my friend sent me. It was getting rejected because it wasn't from my own phone. I will see if it was accepted. Thank you for being helpful and hand-holding all the rookies like me. Soldier Friend (talk) 04:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Soldier Friend, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it's not just the format that is unfamilar to you: it's the whole purpose of Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is not the information that you (or I, or any random person on the internet) knows: it summarises what published reliable sources say about a subject, nothing more. I suggest looking at WP:BACKWARD.

More generally, I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to some of our existing six million articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before trying the challinging task of creating a new one. That task is even more challenging for an article about a living person, and yet harder if you're writing about somebody you know (as I'm guessing you are). ColinFine (talk) 10:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I will continue to read and try to get the article presentable. The person is indeed among the living. I have not met him personally. I don't feel comfortable making improvements on anyone else's articles, but thank you for the suggestion on WP:BACKWARD. I'll keep at it and thank you so much. If I can't get past the hurdles, it's not the end of the world. Soldier Friend (talk) 14:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Soldier Friend! To further help you understand how Wikipedia works (which we all had to and most of us are still doing), let me pick up on something you said: "I don't feel comfortable making improvements on anyone else's articles . . . ."

If you mean "articles about someone else" – don't worry about that, subjects of articles have no 'ownership' of them, and are strongly discouraged from even editing them*, they are "Wikipedia's articles about them," not "their articles on Wikipedia." We are protective of people's legitimate rights and safety, however: I recommend you read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, which we observe strictly. (*or writing them, see Wikipedia:Autobiography.)

If you mean "articles written/edited by other people" – again, don't worry about it. Wikipedia is by definition a crowd-sourced, collaborative enterprise. Nobody owns the words they enter here, because by the Terms of Use, they are irrevocably donating them to Wikipedia. See the essay Wikipedia:Ownership of content.

Most articles have (or will be) edited by many different contributors. You are welcome to help improve any article, and if you make a mistake in good faith, nobody will mind, they'll just correct it. We operate on a Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, so you can boldly make a change/addition/deletion you think is good, another editor may disagree and revert it, and then you two (and others) can discuss it on the article's Talk page or on either of your own Talk pages. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.141.181 (talk) 16:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Developing consensus on a protected page

I proposed a modification to a protected page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#A_few_more_dates_for_context . I don't have permission to edit myself, so I detailed what I could. Two months later, somebody replied to say that there's no consensus so the changes were rejected.

So, how does one develop consensus? I forget the acronym, but the usual procedure is to make a modification, then wait for a "VIP" to arbitrarily revert it, then hold the discussion, but that can't be done if the page can't be edited. The fact that the request got no reply for months indicates that posting to the talk page is not the way to start the conversation. What's the right approach to initiate the conversation? B k (talk) 04:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The Talk page is the right place - I'm surprised to see someone say it has no consensus if no one has argued against it in so long. You could try following up with the editor who declined on their own user talk page. But also - it's just extended confirmed protection, and you're not far off from that yourself (you need 500 edits). Go chip away at a maintenance backlog or something and you'll be able to edit the page directly and get into all the WP:BRD arguments you desire. Be mindful of the WP:DS on that article in particular. -- asilvering (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. I'm not sure of the etiquette of when it's appropriate to DM somebody, so your indication that that's OK on WP is useful. But as per your suggestion, I probably won't worry about petitioning and will get back to it whenever I can just edit the page myself. B k (talk) 04:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, B k: Don't "DM" somebody: there is a strong preference for discussions to be held in public, so post on the editor's user talk page. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

2018 St Louis Cardinals season (baseball)

Hello. Have a problem. Go to batters section. Go to edit section, I entered about 15 players that were inadvertantly erased. Can you put back the player data that was erased in the most current additions I made? Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Please disregard. The problem has been worked out. Sorry about that.Theairportman33531 (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, wikimedia don't have an auto-save feature. So if your network is not stable, you can have a try for working on Office Word first, then copy it to wikimedia. Lemonaka (talk) 09:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

My draft for my article submission was declined and I don't really understand why.

My draft for my article submission was declined and I don't really understand why. Could someone please help.? It sounds like is was declined because of the subjects lack of notability which doesn't make sense because the subject is actually very well known. Draft -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alice_Jacobsen Almighty059 (talk) 05:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Almighty059, the template at the top of the draft invites you to "see the guidelines on the notability of people". Please read and digest them; and if you have questions about how they're related to Draft:Alice_Jacobsen, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

She for sure fits the guidelines, and I think at least one of the sources meets all the sourcing requirements - @Almighty059 my recommendation is finding more reliable sources aka newspaper articles or maybe muesum pages about the artist. Overall I think this artist is notable enough for a page LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

LegalSmeagolianYou can move the page yourself to mainspace or resubmit to AfC. While AfC reviewers generally take a dim view of resubmissions without improvement, I think this meets the threshold of likely to survive a deletion discussion, as the Chicago Tribune wrote an obit for them. Slywriter (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright I'll WP:BOLD and do it LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Notability Understanding

I need some help to understand GNG Guideline. I am sharing one news links, Do you think this source is indepth, independent? Could you please share 2-3 sources which are indepth, independent related to any person. I just need an understanding.

What are the other best ways to improve my GNG understanding? Lordofhunter (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lordofhunter. That link is to a sleazy, clickbait website that is trying to peddle gossip and personally identifying information about minor "celebrities". It is pretty much the opposite of an actually reliable source. All you need to do is to look closely at that website to see that they spread rumors and repackage press releases. Developing the skill to evaluate the reliability of sources is essential for any long term Wikipedia editor. Cullen328 (talk) 07:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Lordofhunter, that page tells me, inter alia, "Ratan Tata's Parents are the most searched topic on the internet." This is a surprising assertion (complete with Trumpian capitalization of "parents"). The page tells me this immediately above a photo of the business end of a penis, a photo that has the caption "Sex Lasts More Than 3 Hours Without Viagra! Write Down The Recipe". I suspect that "sex" and "penis" are among very many topics (not all of them related to sex) that are searched much more often than this person's parents. Glancing briefly at this page (before hurriedly closing it), I'm surprised that you would take it at all seriously. -- Hoary (talk) 07:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It may be independent, but doesn't look reliable (WP:RS). I couldn't find an about-page but there was this: "FreshersLive - No.1 Job site in India. Here you can find latest 2023 government as well as private job recruitment notifications for different posts vacancies in India."

Examples:[2][3][4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Based on your explanations, I am sharing 3 sources. Do you think they are acceptable for GNG? 1. Manoj Modi, Right Hand of India's Richest Man 2. Rakesh, India's Warren Buffett 3. News Based on Ola (Uber of India) CEO's Tweet. I am not sure about this 3rd kind of news. Gråbergs Gråa Sång, & Cullen328 need your opinion also, please. Lordofhunter (talk) 02:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lordofhunter, please do not start a new post that way. If you have more to add, simply add it to this post here. I've moved your reply. 97.126.96.89 (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Indian "news" sources are partuclarly difficult to judge. So many of them, even the mainstream publications, tend to weave in stories based on opinion or recycled press releases into otherwise fact-checkable coverage. I recommend avoid an Indian source if a non-Indian reliable source is available. In fact, this decision was made by the community when developing the article 2020 Delhi riots to avoid Indian sources in favor of foreign news services based in India, because all Indian news outlets were clearly incapable of providing neutral coverage of the topic. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Anachronist Exactly, even, I felt that Indian Media are not doing that great coverage. Indian Media is influenced by govt, however, I request you share your analysis of the source I shared. As if it is an Indian personality, sources might be majorly, Indian only. Lordofhunter (talk) 07:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Scam email

Hi! where do I report (what I suspect/believe to be) a scam email delivered via the wiki-email system? Licks-rocks (talk) 08:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Licks-rocks. Please file your report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, carefully following all of the instructions at the top of that page, and providing complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 08:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Another way to report this is forward the email to ca@wikimedia.org, which known as trust and safety. They may deal with it rapidly. Lemonaka (talk) 09:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If this is related to AfC, Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning suggests this can be forwarded to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org, too. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

4. What are the main differences between Genocide, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Ethnic Cleansing?

What are the main differences between Genocide, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Ethnic Cleansing? 5.195.227.208 (talk) 09:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Might this by any chance be school homework? That aside, do you have any question about the use of Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. This page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia, and it isn't a general question asking forum- for that you could try the Reference Desk- or you could look at the articles on those subjects(like genocide). 331dot (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Genocide is killing large amounts of a certain race. War Crimes are acts that violate international humanitarian law during war, Crimes Against Humanity are acts done to cause as much pain and suffering as possible, and Ethnic Cleansing is killing/ removing members of an ethnic/religious group that are viewed as "unwanted". Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

For whatever reason when I saw "Crimes Against Humanity" my brain went to Cards Against Humanity... I don't know why either. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Club On a Sub 20 well, now they don't have to do their own homework! David10244 (talk) 10:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

error on talk page archive

I don't know why, or how to fix it, but on my User talk:Govvy/Archive13 page, the New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023 box hasn't closed and seems to have engulfed two other archived posts. Anyone able to fix it for me?? Govvy (talk) 11:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

There was an unterminated div tag. Maproom has now added a terminating </div> for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Just got back, saw that, thank you guys. Govvy (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Copyrighted imagery on a web "basemap"?

Hello! I am wondering what the thinking is on using an online mapping app to create a custom map for a Wikipedia article. I think it would be considered "own work." But what if the "basemap" is copyrighted?

Here is an example. I recently created a draft article for consideration called, "Watershed Delineation." I created a map for the article using a Python script that I wrote and some open source mapping tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Watershed_delineation#/media/File:Lost_Creek_Reservoir_Watershed.jpg

The basemap, or map background, added by default by the Python library "contextily" is "Stamen Terrain." It's created by a company called Stamen, whose maps are used all over the web, using data from OpenStreetMap. The rendered map displays text at the bottom that says "(C) OpenStreetMap contributors."

It seems that you are allowed and encouraged to use this data as long as credit is given, based on this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

So would this map image (and others like it) be considered acceptable as-is? Or would I have to do something else for proper attribution? Thanks! Mheberger (talk) 12:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mheberger Whilst I'm no expert on copyright - nor indeed on map-making- I'd say that you gave the correct attribution (assuming any maps you used were themselves derived from OSM). However, that attribution should go in the entry on Commons, and not within the actual map image itself. I would suggest removing the text from the map, and replacing it with a scale to give some idea of size of the watershed. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Nick. That makes sense. I've updated the map to add a scale bar and remove the attribution text, which I've added on the file's Wikimedia Commons page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lost_Creek_Reservoir_Watershed.jpg Mheberger (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I have made draft of Indeep Koirala

 Courtesy link: Draft:Indeep Koirala

I have made draft of Indeep Koirala who is a journalist of Nepal please go through it and let me know the changes to de done. CreateNewPage01 (talk) 14:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

CreateNewPage01 Hello. I think you refer to Draft:Indeep Koirala? I've added the information to allow you to submit the draft article for review. I would note that you cannot use Wikipedia as a source per WP:CIRCULAR. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I've replaced that ref with {{citation needed}} tag, and added one to another unsourced statement. —Wasell^(T) 🌻🇺🇦 15:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello CreateNewPage01! Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want your draft reviewed, there's button on the draft for you to submit it for review. Good luck! - UtherSRG (talk) 14:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello CreateNewPage01. I suggest you look at WP:notability, WP:42, and WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 14:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

You also ought to read recent entries on User talk:Koiralaindeep. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Blocked for evasion of a previous block Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Interpretation of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTWHOSWHO

I just did a bit of copyediting on 2010 Keswick coach accident, an English road incident in which three people were killed. I was surprised to see that the three people were named. I'm aware of both the above named policies, so I have removed the names as part of my other edits to the article. I strongly suspect someone might push back on the removal of the names. Did I interpret the policy correctly? Was I right to do so? Feedback would be very useful, as would a watching eye on the article because I don't want to start an edit war. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe you might have. From what I understood, the people can be named, just not extensively talked about. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Why do wikipedia articles about myself have to be in-depth?

I was making a wikipedia article about myself that wasnt super in-depth, and it got marked for deletion. Please reply as soon as possible ProConYT (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ProconYT, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a medium for promotion, or a random collection of information. Please read What Wikipedia is not, and notability for more information. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@ProConYT: As Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash). says, it's multiple published sources that have to be "in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)". The article itself can be brief, called a stub, if there are good sources. Wikipedia only wants articles about subjects which have already received in-depth coverage elsewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I am guessing an article or draft about yourself was Speedy deleted (only Administrators can see details). Autobiography is frowned upon but not forbidden (see WP:AUTO). However, if no references, no potential to become an article. As for Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash)., also no refs, and expect it to disappear soon. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@ProConYT So far, none of your 10 edits here have been deleted. Nor, as far as I can tell, have any yet been marked for deletion. That said, Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash). is never going to meet our Notability criteria for computer games, and it was 'declined' after you submitted it for review. That's not the same thing. Drafts that remain unedited for 6 months do get deleted however - and that's also happened to drafts I've started but never finished. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Year collages

Could someone point me to some useful pages about events of the year image collages (e.g. 2022) giving me more information about them? I would like to create some for pages that lack them someday! - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! 16:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Pinging The ganymedian, who seems to have created that one and some others. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thanks! - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! 17:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@L'Mainerque Hi there! What questions may you have? As of late, some editors have expressed the want to have a consensus of votes upon potential collages and what photos should be included, so I have only made/edited a few in the last month or two because people voting takes a very long time. I myself am still waiting on any word of some collages I have made that some users deleted for this reason. The ganymedian (talk) 03:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@The ganymedian, you have already answered my question about what editors think about the addition of collages (that it needs consensus), so that's out of the way! Second, I am wondering on what your process is on making them, such as the software that you use, and how you attempt to gain consensus on the collages.

Thanks, - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! - 13:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@L'Mainerque For the "how" part, please see H:PIC and pages linked from there. The section on imagemaps is relevant for the collage you mentioned that's used at 2022. Consensus is normally sought on the Talk Page of the relevant article so that anyone with the article on their WP:Watchlist will see the discussion. In some cases for less high-profile articles you can just be WP:BOLD and then follow the usual WP:BRD process if anyone objects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull, thank you for that explanation! - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! - 14:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Administrators needed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How do I speak to Wikipedia administrators about a very interesting phenomenon? Millions are articles are incorrect but most people don't understand. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 19:23, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Article content issues may generally be addressed by any editor, feel free to give your concern here- but keep in mind that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say. I find your comment "millions are articles are incorrect" curious. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Example one out of millions:

The Crown Heights riot is considered a Black American riot.

That's 100% slanderous and false. It has nothing to do with Black Americans.

Two South American children were hit by a Jewish man's car. A Jewish ambulance assisted the Jewish driver and passengers and left the SOUTH AMERICAN children under the car dying. This caused an IMMIGRANT from TRINIDAD to be angry and seek revenge. A TRINIDADIAN killed an innocent Jewish man with no relationship to the accident. How the hell is a neighborhood of immigrants running amok classified as a Black American riot. It's a Caribbean and South American versus Jewish riot. This trash misinformation is typical and in MILLIONS OF ARTICLES. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If those sources are accurately summarized here, but are in error, you will need to take that up with the sources. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Could you please provide identifiable proof of this being the cause of the riots? Explodicator7331 (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a place that anyone can edit - if this is true I suggest finding a reliable source, citing it, and editing the article LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not about sources.

The source and the Wikipedia article clearly say the children are Guyanese immigrants and a Trinidadian guy killed a Jewish guy. ZERO TO DO WITH BLACK AMERICANS. There is no excuse. The article is slander. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If you think that the sources are not being accurately summarized, you can either edit the article yourself or start a discussion on the talk page. If you are reverted, you should then definitely start a discussion on the talk page. This is how Wikipedia works. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If the issue is the article does not use the term Caribbean Americans (if those were the principle communities involved in the unrest) then you can make that change as long as you provide appropriate sourcing. It seems like many other sources, such as https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/disasters/riots-crown_heights.html, refer to the division as between the African-American community and the Jewish community. I also think it is quite problematic that you use the term "immigrants running amok" - seems like you may need to analyze your own biases. regardless, this discussion is better suited to the relevant pages talk page. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Of course, after lying it became a Black American riot. It was all immigrants and anybody saying otherwise is a liar. Trinidadians and Guyanese are not Black Americans no matter how much you lie about it. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 20:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources say. If you think the article does not reflect what is said in reliable sources, you can try to fix it. If you think the sources are unreliable, you can try to challenge them (we have a place for that - WP:RSN). Calling us liars is not going to accomplish anything. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll refer you to this article. I think you are letting some personal bias impact your thoughts on this issue. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Your racist narratives wanted this to be a Black American riot. The media refused to classify Gavin CATO (a Spanish name) as a South American boy. Do you know where Guyana is? It's not America's 51st state. How is he Black American? 2600:8802:3A12:E700:CD98:4710:36DD:848C (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suspect that you think that administrators control Wikipedia: that's not really the case: they have access to certain tools that other editors don't (including deleting articles and blocking users) but generally operate according to a consensus of editors. Setting and changing policy is not done by administrators, but by editors (including the admins) in discussion.

We certainly have millions of articles that are unsatisfactory, and a proportion of those will certainly contains errors. 331dot is right that you can talk about problems with individual articles on those articles' talk pages. But if there is some more general issue you want to discuss, the Village pump is probably the best place. ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

See Reliability of Wikipedia and Wikipedia:General disclaimer. David notMD (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Information Hunting

So, I am pretty new to Wikipedia. I was asking about tips and tricks that people use to find helpful sources to expand on a page. It seems like for every piece of information I find, someone has already discussed or talked about. Is it usually a hard process to find new information or is there something that I am missing that could help enhance my knowledge? Any information is greatly appreciated.

Thank you Devin Bender (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

yeah it is hard - what types of pages are you primarily looking to edit? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Devin Bender, it certainly can be hard to find, from reliable sources, information about popular subjects that neither has already been added to the relevant articles nor is mere trivia. But I've never had trouble finding subjects that clearly don't interest many other Wikipedia editors but do interest me. Which subject areas are of interest to you? -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Devin Bender It really helps to read some articles about how to use Google and other search engines effectively. (Try some of these). Having basic skills at searching for (or exclude) particular set words or phrases, or using Google Books to find Reliable Sources is a very valuable skill to acquire for a Wikipedian.

There are literally tens of thousands of articles (if not millions) of articles that need people like you to use their search skills to find and add citations to unsupported statements in articles. All these articles have been flagged up in one way or another. Here's just one tip to find ideas for you to work on:

• In desktop mode, next to your User Page tab, you'll see a 'Homepage' tab. Click on it.
• It will offer you 'suggested edits' to make. But before you do anything else you ned to click on 'Easy Edits' and deselect all the options shown.
• Now, in 'Medium edits' select only the box marked Find references (sources for existing articles)
• Click 'Done', and now you can rapidly scroll through around 20,000 suggested article titles that need improving with citations until you find titles that interest or intrigue you.

...the rest is up to you!

Hoping this is of interest. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Finding sources is tricky, and it can take some practice. A lot of it depends on what types of articles you're working on. For most subjects, you can use Google Scholar or a similar academic search engine, especially if you have access to paywalled articles (check with your university and your local library, they usually offer some form of digital access). News articles are useful for current events, but make sure they're from reliable outlets. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources gives a rough idea of how reliable different sources are considered to be. And as Nick said above, Google Books is incredibly helpful. One other valuable resource that every Wikipedian should know: The Internet Archive. It can give you access to old webpages that might otherwise have disappeared, and it has a huge collection of books available to borrow for free. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

oh yes - a very good point. The Wayback Machine is wonderful for retrieving non-functioning links and finding new ones that work (or linking to archived versions). Never delete a dead link, as this can still be used by others to find current sources. Just flag it as dead like this: . Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all for the kind words and helpful tips. I will definitely keep this all in mind when I am editing. Devin Bender (talk) 19:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

how to find suggested highlighted edits from the Wiki editor

I received my article back, declined, with some places in the footnotes marked in red, I need to see what was marked in order to see what I need to correct. Now I can't find the view that had these red letter markings, just the draft in regular black and blue. Where can I find this version? Florence S. Boos (talk) 01:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, I think you're asking about some aspect(s) of Draft:William Thompson Boos; unfortunately, I don't quite understand which. Perhaps somebody brighter than me will be able to help. Meanwhile, and independently of that, your user page looks like an article draft. Please either (A) move it (e.g. to User:Florence S. Boos/Florence S. Boos, or Draft:Florence S. Boos) and work on it as a draft, or (B) alter it so that it does not look like an article draft. -- Hoary (talk) 02:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It was an article submission of a draft: William Thompson Boos, and the submission was rejected. Shall I still move it under my name? This could be confusing because I had to submit a self-description, and I don't want the two to be confused.

The issue is that the editor sent it back to me, but with markup. I can't find his markup, and I need this to make the revisions. Florence S. Boos (talk) 02:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, various points:

• Do you see the error messages in red when you view this version? If you do see them there, whereas you don't see them when you look at Draft:William Thompson Boos, this is because the problems causing them have been fixed in the meantime.
• You're welcome to leave Draft:William Thompson Boos where it is while you improve it.
• Eagleash wrote "Headings should be in sentence case". I have fixed this.
• A vastly more important problem remains. "Life", "Personal", and "Book and views" are unreferenced. All must be referenced (and to "reliable sources").
• Please decide on the purpose of the current content of User:Florence S. Boos. Is it a description of you, the Wikipedia editor, or is it intended as the draft for an article? If the former, please make it look less like an article. (A change from third-person to first-person would be beneficial.) If the latter, please move it. (You should see a "Move" option for it.)

-- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. This is wonderfully helpful. Are my headings o. k. in formatting? I'll give sources for the "life and views"--these are of course in his books and articles, and I will cite them. As for his life, I can cite his obituary. Thanks so much, Florence Florence S. Boos (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, I have already reformatted the headings, leaving them in a satisfactory format. For certain kinds of assertion, somebody is a "reliable source" for himself; for plenty of other kinds, not. Please read and digest "Wikipedia:Reliable sources". -- Hoary (talk) 04:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Want to link to a YouTube page of Michael Scott from the Office on my userpage... whitelist?

I want to link to a YouTube page on my user page. It is a fun and short clip talking about wikipedia. I thought it would be cute to include on my userpage, but the site is blocked. I get it. It's YouTube, probably should be blocked, but I want to include just this one clip. Please help me to whitelist it for my user page.

Since I can't even paste the link here for informative purposes, if you google , "Michael Scott on wikipedia", it is a 13 second clip with about 609,000 views as of this writing. That is the exact link I want to include on my userpage as a light hearted little reference to the project that we are all working on in the brackets with the 'here' word on my userpage. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Moops, full YouTube links are not blocked, but ones put through URL shorteners often are. Is this the link you wanted? 1 97.126.96.89 (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I will try that now then. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Got it up. My request is satisfied. Should I delete this post then now that it has been fulfilled? TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Moops: No need to do that. The information here may be useful to others. The "why can't I link to Youtube" question does come up now and then because the URL shortener domain youtu.be is blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess a follow up question then... Why is the shortener blocked, when the full URL is not? Seems silly, but maybe I am missing something. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe that would be because in general URL shorteners of any type can not be relied upon to always point to the same URL. JohnRussell (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edited Draft:SM City Bacoor

not done to edit help in teahouse 112.206.193.27 (talk) 04:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Is this a question, or a request? Please rephrase in a way that people are likely to understand. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

edit add +1000 bytes and done 112.206.193.27 (talk) 05:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

edit it! 112.206.193.27 (talk) 09:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Note left at editor's talk to see List of shopping malls in the Philippines for examples of referenced articles about SM malls. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I add refrences to an article?

I am trying to add references to an article, but I don't know how to do that. Can I have some help? KittensMittens2 (talk) 04:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

KittensMittens2, please see Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Proper way to cite WorldCat book entries?

<ref>{{cite web |author1=((Book Author: Marjorie Weinman Sharmat)) |author2=((Book Illustrator: Marc Simont)) |title=Nate the great |url=https://www.worldcat.org/title/590501 |website=WorldCat OCLC |publisher=Book Publisher: Coward, McCann & Geoghegan, New York, 1972 |access-date=10 February 2023 |quote=Summary: Nate the Great solves the mystery of the missing picture}}</ref>

Looking for advice on the proper way to cite WorldCat web links to book entries. In the reference above I used the "Book Author" "Book Illustrator" "Book Publisher" in those fields, which seem to really be intended for the website author, website publisher, etc. Could that info all be added into the quote field? Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 04:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please let us know the article you're referring to and the context for the reference? Are you really citing the website, or citing the book instead? GoingBatty (talk) 05:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Article is Nate the Great. The only copy of the book I have access to has an updated title page (c)2004 that doesn't list the original publisher (Coward, McCann & Geoghegan) that WorldCat verifies.

The newer version I have only lists: "Published in the United States by Yearling of Random House Children's Books, a division of Penguin House LLC, New York. Previously published in hardcover in the United States by Delacorte Press, an imprint of Random House Children's Books, New York, in 1972.

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell: Thanks! It seems that your goal is to provide a source for the statement that the publisher of the 1972 edition was Coward, McCann & Geoghegan. Therefore, I suggest:

<ref>{{cite web |title=Nate the great |url=https://www.worldcat.org/title/590501 |publisher=WorldCat |access-date=10 February 2023}}</ref>

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! JohnRussell (talk) 05:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

using {{About|}}

On The Endless River these two lines at top :
{{About|the Pink Floyd album|the 2015 South African film|The Endless River (film){{!}}''The Endless River'' (film)}}
{{About|the Pink Floyd album|the 2019 film adaptation of the album|Ian Emes}}
What's the best way to combine them so " This article is about the Pink Floyd album. " isn't repeated twice.
Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 05:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding to template

I was hoping to add a country to this template Template:Artists by nationality, but I am confused how the template can be edited? Trying to add List of Nigerian artists. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@PigeonChickenFish: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the source code for the template, I see the template is looking for articles named "List of artists from xxx". Therefore, I created List of artists from Nigeria as a redirect to List of Nigerian artists, and the template updated itself. Hope this is what you were looking for, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you!PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I mark an article as overly focusing on a specific time period?

I found this article Korean influence on Japanese culture and it is overly focused on medieval and ancient times while completely ignoring modern times aside from a section I just added. Is there a template to put there to indicate this issue? I see a biased to recent events template, but if anything this article is biased against recent events. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I think the template {{Missing information|Your Text}} is closest to what you are looking for. You can replace the "Your text" to something else. @Immanuelle Carpimaps (talk) 07:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, you're right to say that recent influence has largely been ignored in the article. But I suggest you work to improve and augment what is currently written about it. The simple statement that Yakiniku is seen as having a Korean origin and became popular in the 20th century comes with six references, some of which are hard to understand. the rise and success of kpop has increasingly come back to influence jpop in many ways such as choreography: then how about adding a few of the other ways? -- Hoary (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Charles Brenton Fisk references

I noticed that article that I wrote "Charles Brenton Fisk" has a C-grade on Military History WikiProject because of failing the references criteria. How can I improve the references in the article? Thanks, Carpimaps (talk) 07:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

As a minor example, Carpimaps, the article's Fisk had a son, Josiah Fisk, who is from Boston, and his daughter, Miranda Fisk, who is from Putney, Vermont. They are children of his first marriage to Ann Warren Lindenmuth. In his second marriage, he married Virginia Lee (Crist) Fisk of Gloucester at Rockport. Mass. is sourced to a tiny newspaper article that does no more than mention the Fisk–Warren marriage. Where are the sources for Josiah, Miranda, and Virginia? (And what does it mean here to say that a child is "from" this or that place?) -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

There's a book Here that may be useful. Here is information on another book. Here is his New York Times obituary. Here is information from the Atomic Heritage Foundation. Here is an article from the Harvard Gazette. Those were all first page results by searching Google for Charles Brenton Fisk. In general, you want to look for reliable sources from things like books published by reliable, academic publishing houses, well-respected journals and news sources, university and museum based sources, stuff like that. --Jayron32 13:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Transfer articles to other wikipedia language sites

Hi, I've found an article in the english version and want to copy, translate and adopt it for the german wikipedia site. Is there a copy mechanism, or do I have to do the manual process? Thx Peter LaptopLederhose (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LaptopLederhose. Pleade read WP:TRANSLATEUS and WP:TRANSLATE for the reverse. Probably the most important point is that translations in either direction need to be attributed properly. This is a non-negotiable requirement with real world legal consequences, so please be very careful. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

List Pages notability Guidelines

Please share the guidelines for listicle pages. Please check my new page also. Draft:List of Lok Sabha members from Rajasthan Lordofhunter (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Lists. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Added more sources in sm bacoor

@Hoary ask your question edit my Draft pls ok? 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary need more 15 sources 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I too am not sure what you're asking. But if you're asking other people to edit your draft, the answer is that somebody might, but that Teahouse hosts are here to answer questions, not to collaborate on people's drafts. ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I think you're asking something about, or requesting something for, Draft:SM City Bacoor. But I've no idea what. -- Hoary (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary edit 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Hoary is unlikely to want to edit your draft because the issue is that suitable sources of information probably do not exist. The world is full of shopping centres and Wikipedia limits those it covers to the notable ones: see that link for what that means. You may shop there but that does not make it a suitable topic for an article unless you can find independent reliable sources that cover it in detail as a piece of interesting architecture or for its cultural significance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I note that this mall is already mentioned in List of SM Supermalls and that's likely to be all that is justified by Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

As commented in response to a Teahouse query earlier today, a note was left at editor's talk to see List of shopping malls in the Philippines for examples of referenced articles about individual SM malls. However, I agree with Turnbull's point - not every mall deserves an article. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Accepted My Draft

my was is Draft:SM Supermalls (disambiguation) in teahouse pls Accepted My Draft 112.206.193.27 (talk) 14:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

are you asking for us to accept your draft? its a good disambiguation, but i'm not sure the average editor can approve a draft (correct me if im wrong) -a really self-degrading name(speak of the devil)- 14:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Declined for the reasons stated at the draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

This is not really what disambiguation pages are used for. It's more for things with the same name. If you want to add general information about the brand overall, you might want to create a list article. (See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists & Help:List) UpdateWindows (talk) 19:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@UpdateWindows See section immediately above this one. There already are list articles at List of SM Supermalls and List of shopping malls in the Philippines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Help Finding More Sources

Hello. I'm trying to find some sources for this draft page I'm working on. However, I can't find any other reliable third party sources. Does this mean this topic isn't notable enough to be on Wikipedia or am I not looking deep enough? LeGoldenBoots (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

LeGoldenBoots, for note, the reliance on the song's playback pages as references make me assume why the submission got declined, but other users can correct me if I'm wrong. - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! - 15:36, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@LeGoldenBoots I had a quick look to see if I could find an independent review but failed. It looks as though it will be difficult to meet WP:NSONG and you might have more success in writing about Soft Knees and including it there, assuming that's not their only work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

editors accused of systematic distortion

There is a recent scholarly article [5] in an academic journal dedicated to the Holocaust that accuses a group of editors here of systematic distortion of articles. Does Wikipedia know about this? Red Slapper (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Red Slapper, welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on what you mean by "Wikipedia". Some editors have read it and are discussing it in various places. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Red Slapper Given that the article has only just been published, then probably not. However, The Holocaust in Poland has led to ArbCom cases such as Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland. I note that many of the citations in the published article which purport to be links to Wikipedia don't work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Red Slapper, to add to the above, posts like these ones are liable to be seen as personal attacks. I would recommend reverting and not making such comments in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Red Slapper: This may be a useful topic for Wikipedia's internal newsletter, known as The Signpost. If you go to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom, you'll see an option to "Submit a Topic". If you do so, and if there's a volunteer willing to write it up in The Signpost, it may become more well known in the community. --Jayron32 15:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

One of those users was blocked in 2011, so I wonder why the article mentions them Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Jayron32:, I may put a note there. Red Slapper (talk) 16:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

This is the first time I've heard of this article, but I believe it's important for people to know about, due to the accusations involved. - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! - 16:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

There is an already-closed discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Wikipedia’s_Intentional_Distortion_of_the_History_of_the_Holocaust. I suggest that the topic is one that requires extensive reading before anyone not familiar with it makes a comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

The topic area also has an unusually wide-ranging ArbCom sanction which covers project space discussions - such as, I believe, this one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It's already noted above. I believe that the sanctions are merely the "standard discretionary sanctions" under the broader WP:ARBEE framework; this was recently overridden by the WP:CTOP process which is similar to discretionary sanctions. People can read about this at their leisure. --Jayron32 16:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

The limitations are slightly more stringent - APL is under ECR restrictions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Without getting into the recursive-circle-of-hell loop that this would get us into, that technically means that you can't even tell me about that, because this is an "internal project discussions related to the topic area". Your involvement in this discussion is a violation of that, given that you aren't ECP yourself, and you've demonstrated awareness of the sanctions, which means you're subject to them yourself. Yet sometimes we let shit slide because it isn't a big deal. Unless you really don't want me to. Let's just say I knew that as well, but didn't bring it up for fear of creating our little recursive loop of death here... However, thank you for doing so. --Jayron32 19:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I figured it was best to bring up the sanctions before even more folks wandered unheedingly into them. I tried to word things very carefully. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

New Article

I am the Manager of an international fashion model. Her Wikipedia has been edited many times with wrong info. Recently, it was taken down. Is she notable enough to have a Wikipedia page? Mahlaghamanagement (talk) 17:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mahlaghamanagement, welcome to the Teahouse. Please review WP:PAID and make the appropriate required declaration. It will be hard to answer your question unless you tell us the subject's name - who is she? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

OP is now blocked due to their choice of user name. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Teahouse. Thank you for your help and reply. Her name is Mahlagha Jaberi.

I am not getting paid or compensated. Myhanh N (talk) 18:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Myhanh N, how is this account related to the account which started this discussion? Is the same person operating both accounts? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Teahouse. I am the same person. I had to change my username to be able to communicate with you. The other username @Mahlaghamanagement was blocked because it didn't fall under the Wikipedia rules and policy. Myhanh N (talk) 18:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Mahlagha Jaberi has not only been repeatedly created and deleted, but is currently creation-protected. As of August 2021, she was apparently not notable. Perhaps things have changed in the interim. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:41, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes I am aware that Mahlagha Jaberi has been repeatedly created and deleted. Not by my doing, but by other random sources, who was providing wrong info on her. How do I bypass the creation-protection to ensure the right info about her is published and not changed? Myhanh N (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Myhanh N, you stated above I am the Manager of an international fashion model. This definitely means you qualify as a paid editor - please make the required declarations.

If you want to attempt to recreate the article, then - after making the declarations above - you can attempt to write a draft article. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You must find such sources, summarize them, and cite them. See Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners.

Once the draft is ready, follow the instructions here, which I'll quote for you: Editors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, or use the deletion review process.

I warn you right now that this will likely be difficult, time-consuming, and perhaps frustrating. There will be a lot of reading and probably a lot of revising when folks point out problems with your draft. You will probably not get a lot of help from fellow volunteers. I recommend looking very honestly and carefully at the sources you can produce, then making a decision about how best to use your time. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, everything you publish will be subject to editing by other editors. You will not have any special control over either the draft or the article. in fact, your contributions will be given extra scrutiny because of your conflict of interest. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Page is missing or deleted

Greetings - I am the new representative for Menlo Micro - menlomicro.com; for some reason our page is now missing. How do we get it turned back on? Makspeak (talk) 17:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Makspeak, welcome to the Teahouse. Please review WP:PAID and make the appropriate required declarations. The article (Menlo Micro) was deleted for the following reason: Fails WP:NCORP. References are typical of a startup, run of the mill funding/spinout news based off of PR and press-releases. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS. Please click on the links to understand what those phrases mean. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND, but the issues must be addressed if you want it to return to main space. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

What to do with a poor article?

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia and I have come across a few articles while doing the copyediting tasks that the entire article is just not well-written or sourced well. I don't feel like I have the expertise to make big changes yet, so is there a way to point it out to other people or a place to post it or something?

Here is an example: MNA Media

Thank you for your help! Libs4Libraries (talk) 18:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You could certainly tag it with {{refimprove}}, as the only ref is for their address. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe {{one source}} as well, as there is only one reference. BTW, the tag has been added by Victor Schmidt. Tails Wx 19:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! Is there a list of tags that I could get to draw from? I didn't know how to create one, but this will be super helpful going forward! Libs4Libraries (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Libs4Libraries, there's a long list at Template index/Cleanup. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Libs4Libraries: If you're going to use {{one source}}, then {{refimprove}} would be redundant. At the bottom of both those template pages is Template:Citation and verifiability article maintenance templates, which shows many other templates. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

New Article

I am considering writing a new article for the book, The Image of Man: The Creation of Modern Masculinity by George L Mosse. My plan is to simply read the book and then write an article saying what's in the book. I'm not sure if this book meets Wikipedia's standards of notability, and if so, I'm not sure if I'd need to cite extra sources in order to write this article.

My friends and I are already planning on doing a reading group for this book, and I think it wouldn't be too much hassle for me to write this article, assuming I don't have to do too much extra research on top of reading the book itself. Mauss1925 (talk) 18:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mauss1925, welcome the Teahouse. I'm afraid you would definitely need to do extra research in order to prove that the book is notable. The standard for books is at WP:NBOOK. Reviews by professional critics are the standard things people look for when trying to demonstrate a book's notability. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

We do have an article on George Mosse. You might be able to find some useful sources there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You, writing your summary of what is in the book, is not sufficient. I strongly suggest you look at articles about famous/significant books to gain an understanding of what a book article entails. For example, in The Fight (book), the summary of the book is not referenced, as the book itself is the source of information, but what establishes the book notability are the referenced critics' reviews of the book and commentary about Mailer. David notMD (talk) 19:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Super Punjabi Movie

I tried to create the Wikipedia page for the new Punjabi Pakistani movie Super Punjabi and made a draft. It got declined and had many credible sources. VickSPaul1 (talk) 19:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Super Punjabi - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

There are only two sources. The first is an interview, which does not count for Wikipedia notability. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How to categorize a half-album?

How to categorize a half-album in the |type= field of an album infobox? The Template:Infobox album doesn't have a half-album. Note that a half-album is not an EP, it's one half of a full studio album with two halves/parts -- first and second. Bostonite01310 ^talk 21:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bostonite01310, welcome back. Looks like your only option at the moment is to choose other. If you want to suggest that half be added to the list of options, you can either make an official edit request or just start a discussion on the template's talk page, Template talk:Infobox album. It would be helpful to determine and suggest an appropriate color for the new field as well. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me do that. Bostonite01310 ^talk 21:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

An obsolete redirect

Hello, I'm trying to delete an obsolete redirect Draft:Church of Our Lady of Zvonik but I do not want to screw up accesses to the article, as it seems to be still listed on xtools as a draft... any help or advice would be most welcome thank you! ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@The Emperor of Byzantium this?, just from looking at it, I don't think it's a problem at all. If someone was looking at an old link to the draft, they'd be redirected to the article. Making it useful. However, if I've looked at this completely wrong do correct me. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 21:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

No No @AdmiralAckbar1977 the redirect works, I'm just trying to clean up a mess I made during the transfer from draft to article... I'm happy to leave it, but if there is a way to close this redirect so it does not show up on xtools as a draft I'm happy to sort it ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 22:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry haha, my bad. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 22:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

No need to apologise @AdmiralAckbar1977 its not a trap haha ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You can request deletion under WP:CSD for G7 as author, anyone else as G6/13 . Not sure why the bot hasn't picked it up as a G13 candidate since it hasn't been touched in 11 months. Slywriter (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Upon asking around, leave it alone. It's actually standard and drafts that get accepted by AfC retain the redirect forever. Slywriter (talk) 00:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

How to do?: Single citation, multiple page references

Very very new here, thank you for being patient. I am editing a page. I created an inline citation which included a page number. A note was generated for me with the correct information. Now I want to cite the same source, but refer to a different set of pages. Can I do this in the visual editor, and if so, How? If I have to use the Source Editor, is there a very simple set of instructions to guide me?

Thank you. SP-lava (talk) 22:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

SP-lava, does WP:REFNAME provide what you are looking for? Slywriter (talk) 22:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Turns out I needed Template:Rp. SP-lava (talk) 22:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

SP-lava, named references together with Template:Rp. -- Hoary (talk) 22:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

If you are talking about using a different page number of the same book see Template:Rp. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Press 'insert' then 'template' then type 'rp' in the Visual Editor toolbar to use it. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Bless you, this is what I needed. I managed to wrangle my way through doing it in the Source Editor, but it is really cumbersome. The Visual Editor solution you provided is so much easier for someone new. Thanks! SP-lava (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

And SP-lava, note that Rp is very flexible. As an example, you want to specify pages iii and 61–67? Easy: {{Rp|iii, 61–67}} gets you . -- Hoary (talk) 23:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Flags on page

Hi, I’m having some trouble understanding some things happening on the Talk:Temu (company) page. I am a Temu employee who has only become interested in improving this page over the past few days – I was not involved in anything going on there before then. I recently made a proposal on Talk and declared my conflict of interest. Talk:Temu (company)#Request for more clean up and removing flag

By way of background, Temu has been the most downloaded app in the United States on iPhones since September. More popular than even TikTok. This page was recently cut down to just five sentences by editors who took out what seem to be valid sources, like CNBC articles, as well as many unacceptable sources and a bunch of promotional statements. According to a message on the article's Talk, it looks like someone with an undeclared conflict of interest contributed heavily to the page. That editor had since been banned.

There was an undeclared paid editor tag put on the page on December 15, saying that content needed to be fixed. After that, an editor worked on cleaning up the page and left a note called Talk:Temu (company)#Undisclosed paid tag, on December 24th, saying that the “article appears to be neutral now, and the linked sources seem to be reliable”. Yet that editor also said the undisclosed paid editor flag was appropriate because that editor had been banned from Wikipedia. WP:TC says that tags like this are not supposed to be punitive. They are supposed to be temporary, until problems are fixed. I asked for the tag to be removed because all the problems were fixed. And I suggested an additional improvement in sourcing. Instead, another flag was added saying the subject may not be “Notable”.

But it's easy to find many feature articles about the company by doing a Google search. [6](Wired), [7] (Entrepreneur Magazine), [8] (Business Insider), the [9] (MIT Technology Review), and the [10] (San Francisco Examiner), [11] (CNBC), [12] (Wall Street Journal). I just posted Talk:Temu (company)#Sources to show Notability, a list of the major feature stories,

These flags don't seem to apply here. It just seems punitive against an editor who was already banned, and possibly Temu. Am I not understanding this situation properly? Thanks for your help. Snowy2000 (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your candour, Snowy2000, and for your constructive and helpful use of Talk:Temu (company). I've asked questions there; let's see what answers you get. And now, it's pedantry time. "Permablocked" is informal for "blocked for an indefinite period". Blocks (which unfortunately are rather common) are different from bans (which are much less common). -- Hoary (talk) 06:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Snowy2000. The current version of the article is dramatically different than the promotional version of two or more months ago, and is now neutral. Also, the list of coverage in reliable sources that you provided here and on the article talk page make it clear that the company is notable. Accordingly, I have removed the flags/tags. Cullen328 (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Viewing Specific Edits to an Article

I was wondering if there was any way to see the specific edits made to an article. For example,

Earth is the THird planet from the sun.

Being edited to become,

Earth is the third planet from the sun.

Is there any way to highlight the edits that were made, or do you have to read through the entire article and find the edit on your own? CATCTATTACCAC (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I have answered the question on my own.

For anyone who may still have the question, you can find the highlighted edits if you go into the "View History" and then select the "Compare selected revisions" tab after selecting the desired edit.

It will show date, time, the editor's ID, and the number of bytes added or removed from the article. CATCTATTACCAC (talk) 06:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@CATCTATTACCAC, on the history page you can also select "Find addition/removal" to search for changes that add/remove specific text. It probably wouldn't work in this particular case because the only change is in capitalization, but in most cases it's a useful way to find the change that introduced some specific text. CodeTalker (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Why do some pages not have thumbnails in search results?

When searching Wikipedia, I noticed that some entries have thumbnail images and some do not. In particular, the Civil Air Patrol entry is missing a thumbnail when displayed in search. Why is that? I can't see any difference between it and other entries with thumbnails. Matthew Congrove (talk) 06:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Matthew Congrove, welcome to the Teahouse. The image is chosen by mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. Civil Air Patrol has no image in the lead with allowed size and height-to-width ratio. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter, very helpful! Matthew Congrove (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

New Page Publish issue

As a new creator, I created a page for a Kannada movie called 'Hosa Dinachari' with all the published articles and references, on Wikipedia a couple of days back. The page seems to still be in draft, and not published yet. As a fresher to Wikipedia creator, I would like to know why and feedbacks if any Darsh Csr (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Darsh Csr, when you'd like to submit Draft:Hosa Dinachari, just post {{subst:submit}} at the top of it. (Incidentally, I read that the story "revolves around three different families work on their dynamics to heal each other": heal each other of what, and dynamics of what?) -- Hoary (talk) 08:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film recommends that plot summaries should be 400 to 700 words. There is other useful guiding content. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit to a page has been rejected by "Dormskirk"

Hi. I am trying to edit a page about "Alan Scott-Moncrieff", who was my grandfather and the edits I am making I know are correct. I have had my edits rejected by expert called Dormskirk who says edits need more verfiable sources. I am trying to contact him but go on to his page but don't understand how too begin a dialogue with him. Also some of the information I have about my grandfather I have no "verifiable" evidence for but know it to be true, is it possible to put information up of this nature. Final thing how on earth do I prove to Dormskirk my edits are true, for instance I tried to put up other family connections such as the fact that Charles Kenneth (CK) Scott Moncrieff was his first cousin but that was rejected too. Simply an indisputable fact but I have no idea how to evidence it. Thanks for any assistance. Sean Seangypsy (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Seangypsy, you can respond under Dormskirk's comment (wherever that is), just as I am now responding to your comment. But no, you may not add an assertion simply because you know it to be true, just as I may not add an assertion simply because I know to be true. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Verifiability. -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary. What you have written below about me responding to Dormskirk yesterday is not correct. I only saw Dormskirks comments about half an hour ago and responded then. The question was relevant when I asked it. Seangypsy (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

PS This is odd. On User talk:Seangypsy, Dormskirk told you something very similar to what I've written immediately above, and you responded to it there, yesterday. You can't prolong the dialogue: this would be a waste of your and Dormskirk's time, because verifiability (as defined in Wikipedia) is a core policy of Wikipedia, allowing for no exceptions. If, or so far as, this policy seems onerous, Wikipedia is not for you; you'll have to publish elsewhere. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 11 February 2023 (UTC) My mistake, sorry. -- Hoary (talk) 12:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

This comment is incorrect. I only saw Dormskirks comments half an hour ago and replied then. I have no idea what time zone you are in but would appreciate you verifying what you have said and once you see you have made an error correct it please. It implies I am wasting peoples time and is not fair. I also asked how to use the Talk page and that hasn't been answered. Seangypsy (talk) 12:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Seangypsy As to how to use Talk, every editor has their own Talk page. Also articles. You could either leave a comment on the person's Talk page or on the article Talk page. If the latter, remember to invite the editor to see it via a 'ping'. There are several ways to ping. for example double curly brackets with a u| before the editor's name, as I did at the beginning of this comment. David notMD (talk) 12:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Reverting edits does not mean that person is an expert, only that in this instance you failed a basic requirement of Wikipedi - verifiability. The same will apply to any other information about Alan Scott-Moncrieff that you hope to add. Ancestry.com is not considered a reliable source. Your question on your Talk page about photographs is interesting. Copyright is usually held by the photographer, but that may not apply to photos taken by government employees - in your query, military. David notMD (talk) 12:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

So much to think about. Copyright never even crossed my mind. Alan was my grandfather so I have good photos owned by the family, the military photographer ones are a much higher standard though. Seangypsy (talk) 12:56, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, my mistake: my apologies. But I don't understand what problem it is that you're facing with talk pages. It seems to me that you're using your talk page and this page rather well. If you say what the problem is, somebody here can help. (Though if the problem is that Dormskirk is intransigent about verifiability, then yes, Dormskirk is right to be intransigent about it.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Lastly, ref #1 of the article is to Burke's Landed Gentry Scotland. That would be a valid ref if the genealogy you want to add is presented there. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Its ok. Now I know I can reply to messages I will do it that way. The talk page is not obvious to me how to add a comment but don't worry. I have most of the answers I need now. Thanks for acknowledging the error. Seangypsy (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

accept to Draft:2025 in video games

hey ill help you a draft accept you a name was 2025 in video games 122.53.44.157 (talk) 12:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that the above utterance is somehow related to this history. Some editor less sleepy than I now am, please take over. -- Hoary (talk) 12:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hoary, I'll take over. IP editor, I believe per WP:CRYSTALBALL it is too early, when 2025 comes around the draft may be accepted, but it's too early and can be merged with List of video games in development#2025. Until then, I don't believe it will be accepted, sadly. Tails Wx 12:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Might be important to note that unless the draft is worked on in the meantime, it may be deleted under WP:G13. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 14:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't know what this edit was for. Are they trying to redirect pages related to video games to the draft? In the meantime, I've declined the draft as too early. Tails Wx 15:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

A question on DYK

So I need someone experience in DYK to answer my question:

I'm currently working on Jenin Camp, hoping to get it onto the DYK section one day. However, instead of directly working on the article, I'm slowly updating it in my user space here. But I've just read User:Shubinator/DYKcheck and it says that DYKcheck scans the last 100 edits for a move from userspace. Does this mean that updating in userspace before merging with the mainspace article and nominating is not allowed?

This is my first piece of work on DYK, so forgive me if the question seems silly. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 13:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@The Bestagon As you probably know, the DYK rules are at WP:DYKRULES. An existing article obviously can't qualify as new into mainspace, so either it needs to be expanded 5-fold or taken through a good article nomination. I guess you are developing the article with the intention of meeting the "expand 5 times" criterion: and you seem to be making good progress, aside from some minor errors in the citation formatting. The check you mention is, I think, one that would confirm the article had been moved to mainspace within the required seven days from its nomination, which won't apply to your expansion. So, just be careful how you place your big "5-fold expansion edit" back (so as not to accidentally overwrite something that has been added to the article in the meantime). You might be wise to make that change fairly soon and then allow other editors to contribute and review your changes. You'll still have a few day to tweak things in mainspace before you nominate. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to know how

I want to know how to be a good editer, do you have any tips — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCrimsonnova (talk • contribs) 14:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Start with reading WP:TUTORIAL. And don't do stuff like this: [13] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

You started your account yesterday, and all of your edits so far were reverted either for being factually wrong or simple vandalism. Going forward, if you add or amend content, have a valid reference. If you remove referenced content, provide a better ref to confirm what you removed was wrong. David notMD (talk) 16:56, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

You can use this article as one way to start, also check out Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines for information on what is and what is not allowed here. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:09, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

How am i doing?

Hello Wikipedians

I am very new here and have edited a few sites, received two messages, and then tried out the Wikipedia adventure, but I kept getting stuck at one point and started again many times only to find the same issue. The issue was to do with editing; I was pretty sure I was doing it correctly, but it kept saying "Save," which I assume is "Publish." It didn't seem to save, though, as it kept telling me to go back and edit. I don't wish to make mistakes or get told off, so I am trying to learn, but I'd like some feedback if possible. Many thanks Biijou1995 Bijou1995 (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bijou1995 Hi, welcome to the teahouse. Wikipedia adventrue has a lot of bugs, yeah, a lot of. It's no longer under maintained. So if you'd like have a try for edits, just have a try on your sandbox and do some copy edits for a start point. Lemonaka (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

On the talk page it mentions Please note that this project was created but is only semi-actively maintained by User:Ocaasi. Please contact him for bug or feature requests, or suggest fixes yourself. A list of all of the pages and code involved in the game is at WP:TWA/Index. You can of course report bugs or other issues on the talk page or contact him directly as stated above. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Help with bigotry & xenophobia.

Hello,

Unfortunately I've come across an old Wikipedia editor that seems to speak in a very bigoted & xenophobic manner about diff groups of people. To be specific, talking about Romania he wrote "...the south where evil has always regained and poured in to other civilised regions of this country... I'd really like to see when Ferentari [i.e. a marginalized neighborhood in the capital of Romania] will become the European Capital of Culture... oh, wait, most likely never, of course!)" in an edit summary. When I confronted him about such behavior, warning that I'll report him & it's unacceptable on Wikipedia (I'm also Romanian), his reply was: (Eng translation)

Xenophobes are you (plural) and if you want Hungary [I told him he can join Viktor Orban, but not on Wikipedia], you can go there yourself (although they are more civilized than you (plural), so I don't know what to say)! I have no reason to go to Hungary. Also, what problems are you going to cause me, hehehehe?! What xenophobic remark? I am so tired of some of these disgraceful things (ro. mârlănii) and you (plural) are the Aces of that in Europe, that is certain. This is what I and millions of Romanians in this country, real Romanians, can say, nota bene (ita. "take note")! I don't have to continue anything, it's not like I'm from Bucharest (i.e. uncivilized), and as far as Romania goes, know dear lady that, even if you like it or not, it was and still is a multicultural country and I say this as an ethnic Romanian, very good Romanian speaker (much better than you, that is clear). I know the history of my country very well, unlike others! ....

And on and on they go, proceeding to insult me & make all sorts of bigoted comments like: "I know more languages than you have school years. I don't know how old you are, but I'm not going to allow you to address me in a 'per tu' manner (fr. informally), because we don't come from the same region" etc. As one of the millions of people living in the areas this man is talking about, I really ask someone on Wikipedia to give at least a warning to such individuals, for such discourse. It is unacceptable, especially from an established editor...

Thank you. Dhyana b (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dhyana b, and welcome to the Teahouse. The place to report problems about editor behaviour is WP:ANI. But please read the notes at the top of that page carefully before you post there. ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Dhyana b (talk) 19:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dhyana b Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. Besides WP:ANI mentioned by ColinFine, you can also have a try on Wikipedia:Dispute resolution if this is a content dispute. Lemonaka (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. It wasn't about their actual edits, it was about how they were commenting in the summaries & on their Talk page. Dhyana b (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dhyana b: Now that you have brought this up for discussion at ANI, you should disengage and let others take over. The chances of you posting something inappropriate increase the more you respond. Your actions are also going to be evaluated per WP:ANI advice and you should now only respond when queried about them by others besides Rosenborg BK fan. You brought this to ANI to seek input from others; so, give them the opportunity to do so. Try not to WP:BLUDGEON the discussion, even unintentionally, by responding to every post Rosenborg makes. If they continue to post inappropriate stuff, the hole they're will only continue to get deeper without anyone's help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Now that the other user has been blocked for 48 hours, I strongly suggest that you (Dhyana b) stay away from their user talk page and don't post there anymore. Nothing good will come of you posting there at this point. If the other user continues to post inappropriate comments on their user talk page, they will be dealt with by administrators. If you feel something is so bad it needs immediate action, seek assistance from the administrator who blocked the account instead of engaging with this other user. If their behavior continues after their block expires, seek administrator assistance asap. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Best to ignore it and report it to the appropriate notice board such as WP:ANI after reading the instructions before posting, for administrator assistance, if you are involved in a content dispute seek dispute resolution. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I didn't know I wasn't supposed to respond, I thought I needed to explain as well. I just saw these messages now, bc I was caught up in the other discussion. Will remember if this ever happens again. Dhyana b (talk) 00:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Email not working

my email address is not working, whenever I try to confirm am told that the email was sent to my preference, what could be the problem? was blocked?or what is happening?.Then,is there any principles which governs this area of emails in the Wikipedia? Which might have gone wrong? please help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 20:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

What e-mail provider do you use? Ruslik_Zero 20:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

what is a barnstar

Hello i need help with what a barnstar is and what to do with it (if you can). Stuuf5 (talk) 20:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Barnstars are individual awards given to one user by another in recognition of an edit that was helpful or significant to Wikipedia. For more information you can read more here. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 21:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Sandbox

I’m very new, wrote the beginnings of an article in my sandbox as recommended, and it just disappeared while I was still writing. Do a have to save periodically? Should I write the text offline and copy paste it so this doesn’t happen again? I’ve done the tutorials, but am, honestly, a little frustrated. I’m working from my iPhone, perhaps that’s an issue? I haven’t got a desktop at the moment. Thanks for any guidance! HamiltonJoyce (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

It shouldn't need saving periodically, just once you are finished typing then click the Save changes button otherwise any information not saved will be lost and have to manually typed again from scratch. It should work fine on a mobile device or desktop. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 21:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Declined

Hi- this is my third submission and the page was declined again with the same message as the second submission even though i made many changes. Can you please help me? Page is for: Ashley Nicole Moss- User: Manager1393 Manager1393 (talk) 21:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Look at the reason left by a reviewer as to why the article as declined. Only once the conditions of the reason are met, will the same or different reviewer then be inclined to accept the submission. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 21:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

yes- i have. it is for the same reason as the second submission... but i have made those corrections. Manager1393 (talk) 21:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

She is a sports Journalist for radio and TV... all of her sources are reliable and factual. Manager1393 (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

She was just ranked by Forbes 30 under 30 for her contribution to sports journalism. All of the references can be verified... I'm not sure what else you need. Manager1393 (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Make sure you're using Reliable independent sources, only once satisfied will a reviewer accept the submission. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I understand... but they are all independaent reliable sources. Can you please give me an example from something that needs to be changed from her submission? Manager1393 (talk) 22:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

As I've mentioned the reason a reviewer declined the submission was because independent reliable sources are required, once they're added and a reviewer is satisfied with them then the article will be accepted, I don't have those rights at this time so I can only help you so much, best advice I can give is follow the reason the article was declined and eventually once sorted a reviewer should accept it. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The draft article states that the subject is the host and co-creator for Laces Out, under Sports Illustrated. This means Laces Out, and Sports Illustrated in general, should not be used as references. They are not WP:INDEPENDENT. HerrWaus (talk) 23:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

so i can only use one as a source? Manager1393 (talk) 23:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Manager1393. I've only looked at the first three of your references in Draft:Ashley Nicole Moss: the first two are not independent, and the third mentions her in passing. Which three of your references satisfy all three of the criteria of being independent, reliable, and significant coverage? Only sources which do so contribute in any way to establishing that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

I also need to ask: what is your relationship with Moss? You created an account in September, with the name "Manager1393", and you have worked on nothing but your draft about her. Are you her manager? If so, you must make a formal declaration as a paid editor. ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes- I'm her manager... i am not getting a fee for creating her page.

Can I not include past work?

What do you mean by not independent? Manager1393 (talk) 23:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Manager1393, since you are her manager, you must make the Paid contributions disclosure with your next edit. This is mandatory and non-negotiable. The first reference is published by her employer Sports Illustrated, and is therefore not an independent source. The second reference is an interview, that consists of her talking about herself, and is therefore not independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what people or their employers or associates say about themselves. Acceptable Wikipedia biographies summarize what published reliable sources that are entirely independent of the person and their associates say about the person. We do not include content generated by press releases, public relations campaigns or marketing efforts. Cullen328 (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Do not think about this as a "page". Think of it instead as a "neutrally written, properly referenced encyclopedia article". Cullen328 (talk) 00:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Again... i do not get paid so therefore I have no contributions to disclose.

And... if I can't mention Sports illustrated how will the reader know who she is? Manager1393 (talk) 00:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

If you have never been paid one penny by this person, then please explain why you are calling yourself her manager, Manager1393. Is this a volunteer position? Are you an intern? In any event, I highly recommend that you make a very robust and complete disclosure of your conflict of interest on your now non-existent user page, because otherwise, you are risk of being blocked. Nobody said that you cannot mention Sports Illustrated but rather that coverage of her by Sports Illustrated itself is worthless for establishing notability. Cullen328 (talk) 01:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Wood

Hi there, My name is Patti Wood, I see some things on my Wikipedia page that are not accurate and there are many things that could be added. Can someone help me. I am a body language expert. 73.43.106.95 (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Please make formal edit requests at Talk:Patti Wood, providing published reliable sources for any corrections and additions. Cullen328 (talk) 23:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You may also use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to make your requests. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I messed up the Toriel page

I messed up the Toriel page by putting a non-functional redirect in Categories. It should say The Ruins in italics on the Video Game Locations page.

How do I do what Wile E. Coyote did with the fictional birds category by making it not show up on the page itself? GoutComplex (talk) 23:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@GoutComplex If there were a redirect to Toriel called The Ruins, you'd put the category there: however, that's currently not the case. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

An entry by me about me declined

I received a notice that a manager had erased a proposed entry I had submitted. No reason was given except that he or she said "Wikipedia is not a place for you to be writing your autobiography.--Bbb23." That's simply nasty and wrong. I have written my own memoir, in fact, published by the University of Rochester Press. I more than qualify according to Wikipedia's criteria for significance. I am aware that Wikipedia discourages people from writing their own entries and I understand why. But mine is very careful and specific and it responds to the fact that references to me appear already in a number of other entries. Do I need to present more support than that? Or than the numerous awards from mainstream professional organizations I have been given? I am baffled by this arbitrary decision and am not sure what to do. PaulLauter (talk) 02:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't the place to post your resume/autobiography. It's not explicitly prohibited, but it's strongly discouraged. Even if you do have reliable sources to back up claims stated in the article, it is seen as a conflict of interest. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 02:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

If you have a book published, this doesn't automatically qualify you as a person for validity in a Wikipedia article. I made that mistake myself in the past with writing articles on authors who had books "published" (these were all linked to self-publishing platforms), and even a book published by a stronger source like a university press can be shaky territory. If all that's notable about you is your book, then the book itself (assuming it's had any significant coverage) would be the prominent subject matter, not you. "University presses" publish numerous works every year, most of which don't get Wikipedia pages. If you really believe that you yourself deserve a Wikipedia page, you should wait for a neutral party unconnected to you to write it, because as @TheManInTheBlackHat says, it's a conflict of interest to write an article about yourself. Wikipedia will also publicly mark articles suspected of self-promotion, and this can look bad for you as a public figure, so you might want to avoid that. Without mentioning who it was exactly, I found this tag on the Talk pages of a few actors who have Wikipedia pages:

PetSematary182 (talk) 03:16, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Linking to a category in an article

Noticed that on Clarkson's Farm an editor linked to a category in the body of the article. Is this acceptable (according to the MOS)? TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 02:44, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

A little search shows that it may be fine as the MOS has a section dedicated on how to do it correctly.[14] Schminnte (talk • contribs) 02:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for "Death Factory"?

"Death Factory" happens to be the name of 2 separate movies (both horror), but is also more importantly the name attributed to Nazi extermination camps. On the page for the film Death Factory (2002 film), I added the following:

For the 2014 horror film also known as Death Factory, see The Butchers (film). For the extermination camps during the Holocaust known as "death factories", see Extermination camp.

If you type in just "death factory" on Wikipedia, the search result will automatically bring up Extermination camp and nothing else. I had intended to add something similar to the other 2 pages, but then I considered that it might be inappropriate to have this at the heading of a page about Nazi concentration camps; such a serious subject matter with disambiguation references up top to 2 slasher films on its page might be somewhat offensive. I was wondering if it would be more appropriate to have a separate search disambiguation page for "death factory" instead, and if so, how to request a disambiguation search page (I don't know how to do it myself, but I've seen it done for multiple works under the same title or multiple people with the same name). PetSematary182 (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)