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January 23

Notes and references

What is supposed to come first? For instance, Test^[a][1] or Test^[1][a]? RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

RodRabelo7 Help:Explanatory notes has The Sun is pretty big.^[1][a] TSventon (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Notation from official government source

Case in point. The United States Government NTSB or the FAA publish a letter, document, image, etc. on their offical web site or their official alternate sites linked to from their official web sites, such as twitter @NTSB_Newroom, a NTSB Flickr photo album, etc. Are these considered reliable sources? Do we have to wait until some third party (NY Times, etc.) notices and says on their website "Hey the NTSB just did this"? If commenting in a Wikipedia article that the NTSB or FAA published an item and a brief reference to the jist of the content, and same official web site or official alternate site is already linked in the External Links section of the article, what options are there for notation? For example, could I just say "(see NTSB Flickr link below)" or is a footnote stricktly required? QualityMattersJoe (talk) 02:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@QualityMattersJoe: Hi there! Publications from the NTSB or FAA are primary sources, where as a news organization is a secondary source They're both reliable sources, but Wikipedia prefers to use secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Whether a source is primary or secondary, we would create a footnote when the source supports a specific statement in the Wikipedia article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Assuming notability has already been demonstrated, should we still prefer to use the news source? The newspaper generally won't use an exact quote and it won't provide the same context as the government report, so it seems to be more likely to introduce an ambiguity than to clear one up. Ironically, we're not really allowed to make sense out of any ambiguity by reviewing information from additional sources, because that would be WP:Synth. We are required to worship at the altar of WP. This is all doctrine, so use of logic and reason constitutes heresey heresy! Fabrickator (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: WP:PST states "Deciding whether primary, secondary, or tertiary sources are appropriate in any given instance is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense, and should be discussed on article talk pages." GoingBatty (talk) 03:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

How to search inside a short description in JWB

I'm thinking of doing a JWB run to change instances of Nur-Sultan inside short descriptions to Astana, but I have no idea how to search inside shortdescs and I don't know a single bit of regex. Can any fellow Wikipedians help me with this if possible? Thanks, Prodraxis _(talk) 02:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Prodraxis: Hi there! Try (\{\{\s*[sS]hort description\s*\|[^\}]+)Nur-Sultan to $1Astana for these articles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty for the help! I might use this when updating other shortdescs in the future as well. Prodraxis _(talk) 04:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Remove protection from Help:IPA/English

Hello. Help talk:IPA/English recommended to me to report here because it warned me its namespace (Help talk) was less watched. I would ask if you would remove protection from the Help:IPA/English page. It would be better to allow IPs to edit this page because I believe the reason of protecting this page is obsolete. --2601:204:E681:F150:6940:5789:671A:99B9 (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, If you want to request unprotection, please go to this venue and request it. Regards, Prodraxis _(talk) 03:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Bosaso

@Dolf133 user always running to edit Bosaso history section by escaping discussions and compromise among editor, I am requesting your intervention Muscab30 (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

This is beyond the scope of the help desk, see WP:DISPUTE.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Bangor, Oldtown and Milford Railroad

Hi Folks!! If anybody has any time, could they tell me what page number the Bangor, Oldtown and Milford Railroad appears in the Bangor Daily Whig and Courier, July 27, 1836, in [1] Thanks. I'm trying to clean the reference up and can't view newspapers.com. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 09:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Scope_creep have you tried WP:TWL? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Edward Smith's name appears on page 3, per https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/662667437/?terms=Edward - I've updated the reference in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 21:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

How to add this image to infobox of Batley Variety Club?

File named The Batley Frontier - geograph.org.uk - 413091.jpg on Wikipedia Commons Danstarr69 (talk) 10:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: That's not an appropriate image to replace either of the current images in the infobox. It does not illustrate the article's topic, as required by MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE. It would be great, though, in the Batley_Variety_Club#Closure section of the article, which mentions the building's fortunes after the variety club closed. WP:Extended image syntax gives instructions on how to add it, if you need them. Bazza (talk) 10:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Bazza 7 I didn't say replace, I said add.

As I've just pointed out on Teahouse, it spent...

Roughly 11 years as Batley Variety Club

At least 30-35 years as Frontier Nightclub

And has currently spent around 7 years as a JD Gym Danstarr69 (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: The majority of the article's current content is about the variety club, with other subsequent uses confined to a short section at the end. MOS:LEADIMAGE suggests just one image for the lead to illustrate the article's topic. The place for other images is in the most relevant article section (MOS:IMAGELOC), and your proposed addition should follow this. The image showing the interior of the club should be moved from the infobox to the paragraph which describes the interior, where it is appropriate. Bazza (talk) 11:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Where to find the history of Wikipedia

I'm sorry if this question is a bit off-topic. Wikipedia:History of Wikipedian processes and people, Wikipedia:Historic debates, and stuff like that all only goes to around the early 2010s, then it stopped. The History of Wikipedia page also feels very lacking as well. It just feels that there's something that has erased all of Wikipedia history, like in the Matrix... CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The problem may be that the information is scattered all over, including on meta. WP:NEWS has links to a lot of possible sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Lost article

I was asked to reveiw a wikipedia article that I had been cited in. Unfortunately the email I was sent went to my old work email address and I can no longer access it. How can I find this page to check my citation. It still appears not to be published. Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 17:22, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Providing the name of the article would help, are you saying that you don't know what the article is called? Theroadislong (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The article was not published yet on wikipedia, wikipedia emailed to ask for me to reveiw how I was referenced. Is there a way I can search for articles that are still being processed? Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 17:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

"Gillis, Lucy Gwen" is mentioned in reference 39 in the Mangrove crab article. Is that what you are looking for? -- John of Reading (talk) 17:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe the article was about connectivity, which I have searched for and as I cannot find it I believe it is not published yet. Is there a way I can search for articles that are still being processed? Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you know the title of the work of yours that had been cited? A search like this one searches all pages on Wikipedia, both those that are part of the encyclopedia itself and all the behind-the-scenes pages such as half-written articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

It seems highly unlikely that "wikipedia emailed to ask for me to reveiw how I was referenced" that's not how it works here. Theroadislong (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. I will go through this link. Best wishes, Lucy Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 08:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know I found the article. Acutally it was published but a slightly different name (Faciliation Cascade) and I am well cited. Facilitation cascade

Thank you for your help, still a bit odd I received that email. Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 08:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lucygwen. I echo Theroadislong in saying that the email you got is highly irregular. "Wikipedia" does not send out such emails (it doesn't exist in that sense). It is possible that a particular Wikipedia editor sent you such a mail, but I cannot imagine why.

The most likely is that this was sent by a scam-merchant, hoping you would pay them to "improve" your presence in Wikipedia - see WP:SCAM.

John has shown you how to search for draft articles. It is also possible that the "mention" they were referring to was in a draft article which has since been deleted, or has been edited and no longer mentions you. Sorry I can't be of more help. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the email took me directly to the wikipedia and the article page and did not ask me for any details or any money. I was in the process of moving jobs so I could not go any further than with my reveiw, and how the cited my and other scientists was fine as far as I could see-so I don't believe it was a spam email but could be. I will search for through the draft articles! Thank you for your reply, the replies have been very useful :) Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 07:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know I found the article. Acutally it was published but a slightly different name (Faciliation Cascade) and I am well cited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitation_cascade

Thank you for your help, still a bit odd I received that email. Lucygwen.gillis (talk) 08:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lucygwen.gillis: Your email address is shown in the source so that's how somebody found you but it's odd that they mailed you. It may still have been a scammer trying to get you interested before asking for money to alledgedly do something for you in Wikipedia. If the mail sounded generic then somebody may have written a script to scan Wikipedia sources for email addresses and spam them. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lucygwen.gillis: You might like to know that our sister project, Wikidata, has an entry about you also: Lucy G. Gillis (Q59682659). See d:User:Pigsonthewing/About you for more. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

yet another screwup

I've done something wrong here that is making the username link to User:Example, and I can't figure out what I did. Can anyone troubleshoot? Valereee (talk) 17:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

To correctly link you should do User:StarryNightSky11|StarryNightSky11 you accidentally did User:Username|StarryNightSky11. I will fix this for you. Paulpat99 (talk) 17:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

An Infor.

my question : is celebrity's Wikipedia made on their permission? Do they suggest us about what to be inputed in their Wikipedia page and what not ? Pls reply to this AL Creation (talk) 23:22, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@AL Creation: Please don't ask in multiple places. This is answered at the Teahouse. RudolfRed (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

January 24

Experimenting: can I get rid of these category members?

I am working on a new project and I have Category:Community feature requests index. Unfortunately Wikipedia:Community feature requests/preload and Template:Community feature requests are in the cat and I don't want them to be. Can it be fixed? Commander Keane (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Commander Keane: Wrapping the category link in the template as well as the transcluded template in the /preload page inside <includeonly> tags should do what you're looking for, I believe. Tollens (talk) 07:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! --Commander Keane (talk) 07:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Export policy or guidance

Is there any policy or guidance that tells when user can perform export? Sometime the export can damage entire Wiki pages when export templates and modules, especially from other language wikis. I just would like to hear your opinion. AntanO 09:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Traditionalist conservatism

Reference help requested. Hi everyone, I am trying to reference a section on Organicism where I state that Edmund Burke believed in organicism. Unfortunately, the website is paywalled, and the other websites have very problematic source formatting (date, title) issues. If anybody can repair the link or find a source that formats nicely, please do. Thanks, MonsieurZro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philipbrochard (talk • contribs) 09:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Blocked IP addresses

Hi, some of my colleagues need to make changes to some pages for Griffith College and their IP addresses seem to be blocked so they are not allowed to edit the pages. Can I provide a list of IP addresses to be allowed? Thank you GC2024 (talk) 12:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

GC2024 If your colleagues have accounts, they should request unblock from their accounts; they should receive instructions on how to do this when they attempt to make an edit(but they may see the unblock appeals guide as well). Whether the IPs can be unblocked will depend on the reason for the block- it is not permitted(for example) to edit via a webhost or VPN.

If you or your colleagues work for the College, you need to declare as paid editors, see WP:PAID for instructions. 331dot (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Helloa, GC2024. Your choice of words "some of my colleagues need to make changes" suggests that you and they may be holding an erroneous understanding of what Wikipedia is. Please be aware that your college does not own the article about it, and does not decide what should be in it. You and your colleagues as welcome to make edit requests for changes to the article, but it will be indepedent volunteer editors who decide what to do with those requests. ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Laura Micheli

Reference help requested. should I Delete the entire write up added or I ammend the reference

Thanks, Volkbonik (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Volkbonik The reference you wanted needs to use {{cite web}}: something like this. There has been a brief discussion about whether Olympedia is a reliable source (see archives at WP:RS) but overall it does seem acceptable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

... note that the template {{sports links}} used as an external link in the article already links to the same webpage. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Name of an article

Is it possible to change the name of an article? Sigal1111 (talk) 15:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes it is, but brand new user accounts can't do that. More details may give a more detailed answer, but see WP:MOVE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

John Lorenz von Mosheim

Is this the same man known as John Lawrence Mosheim, D.D., And Chancellor of the University of Gottengen, Author of AN ECCLESIASTICAL HISTORY, ANCIENT AND MODERN FROM THE BIRTH OF CHRIST TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENT CENTURY: IN WHICH The Rise, Progress, and Variations of Church Power ARE CONDENSED In their Connexion with the State of Learning and Philosophy, and the POLITICAL HISTORY OF EUROPE during that Period. [ . . . ] IN SIX VOLUMES. To the whole is added AN ACCURATE INDEX. First American Edition. Volume IV. PHILADELPHIA: PRINTED BY STEPHEN C. USTICK, No. 79, NORTH THIRD STREET, 1798. 2603:6011:7F00:55F3:8D36:6679:3560:C30F (talk) 15:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

This help desk is for asking questions on using or editing Wikipedia. For general content questions, the WP:Reference desk is more suitable. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. Given the information at Johann Lorenz von Mosheim, that would be "Yes". Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

About Company Infobox.

Can we write company's present legal name in "Formerly" option of Infobox company?

Like it's written in Wikipedia page- ITC Limited. Sayeed2k (talk) 15:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Sayeed2k, I am unsure what you are asking but it seems like there is nothing Wikipedia can do about it. Next time you have a question like this try posting it in the hep section of the site you are having trouble with instead of here where it will just waste time. Hope you can get your problem fixed though! Best regards, TypoEater (talk) 16:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

OH MY GOD I'm so dumb... I wish I could delete this.

I have no idea why you would want to put the present name in the slot for the former name.

Please excuse my mistake, I am internally screaming right now.

Apologies from TypoEater (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I asked this because i have seen some Wikipedia pages of companies, their present name is written in "Formerly" like Wikipedia page- ITC Limited, it's present name is written in "Formerly" as 'ITC Limited' (2001–present). Sayeed2k (talk) 16:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Sayeed2k I don't think it is correct to include the current name as a former name as at ITC Limited. ITC Limited has had several maintenance tags for years so it is probably not a good example to follow. TSventon (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, yes present name can't be write in "Formerly". Sayeed2k (talk) 17:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Date of birth change

I am Christopher Britton Actor. The date of birth on my Wiki page is incorrect. All I want to do is change it to the CORRECT date.....December 23, 1948. I am now 75 years old. Would someone please make this correction. Thank you. Christopher Britton Dennis Vine (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Dennis Vine - you asked this back in August 2023 and were advised "As for getting your birthdate corrected, I suggest you post a request to that effect on the article talk page. Be sure to provide a WP:reliable source for your birthdate!" - It appears you did not do that, but the advice remains the same.
We have no idea who you actually are, but are claiming to be Christopher Britton, whilst using a different user-name. We need a WP:reliable source for the Date of Birth, so it can be verified, both now, and at any time in the future. - Arjayay (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you an agent or representative of Mr. Britton? 331dot (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

13 years is a remarkable discrepancy: it would mean that instead of being a teenager in his first role in 1979 (which is consistent with other information in the article), Britton was actually 31. We would need to see a convincing published Reliable source to corroborate this claim.

I note also that the entirety of the article's biographical text (i.e. not the appearance tables) is unreferenced. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.47.60 (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the date as uncited, without adding another uncited date. Citations are key. You can confirm your identity to us by following the guidelines at Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects#How can I prove my identity to the Wikipedia Community?. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

How to cite cast

@InfiniteNexus: The motion capture artist for Ayalaan is credited 11th while the voice actor is credited 2nd. Whats the protocol? DareshMohan (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:FILMCAST (sorta) and overwhelming consensus, in billing order. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

The motion-capture performer should be indented in the list or incorporated in prose. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Procedure for converting an article to a redirect

Is there any procedure for performing this action? Could anyone direct me to specific WP guidelines regarding it? Thank you. – Primium (talk) 18:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Primium maybe WP:BLAR? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! – Primium (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Cinderford Rusty Pole Article

People keep vandalising the article by trying to delete it as a joke, this needs to stop as it it frustrating to have to re-submit the article. Cinderfordtownassociation (talk) 19:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

No they are not deleting it as a joke. You and some of your suspected other accounts are deleting the notice that there is a deletion discussion. This won't change anything. If you think that this article should be kept, please discuss at the deletion discussion and give a compelling argument for why it should be kept. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Cinderford rusty pole

@Cinderfordtownassociation: You appear to be the vandal. The article has been nominated for deletion, and you have been repeatedly deleting the notice at the top of the article, despite it containing the instruction "do not remove this notice before the discussion is closed". Bazza (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

This is a genuine article why would it need to be deleted???? Cinderfordtownassociation (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Recentism for why it was nominated for deletion, and also look at the the deletion discussion. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 19:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cinderfordtownassociation: If, instead of vandalising the article, you participated in the deletion discussion — a link for which is in the notice you keep deleting — then you could see why other editors think the article should be deleted. If you disagree, that is the place to say so and why. Bazza (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked this account for a violation of the username policy, promotional editing, disruptive editing, and making false accusations of vandalism. Sockpuppetry also seems likely. Cullen328 (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry has been confirmed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Terry535353tvdgd. Cullen328 (talk) 19:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Madame Roland

I could not obtain the publisher of this book - ref number 1 in this article. please help. Thank you 101.182.70.182 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I know little about French publishing, but the title page seems to indicate "Administration De Librairie", which was associated with the author and bibliophile Paul Lacroix, who was probably the author of the book. writing under the pen name "Le Bibliophile JACOB". Cullen328 (talk) 21:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Please help - - I cannot place the right publisher's name in the right section in citation number 1 - please can you place the words "Administration De Librairie" where "publisher" is meant to go? Please? Thank you 101.182.70.182 (talk) 21:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure you can! If you're using the source editor, just change |publisher=Unsure to |publisher=Administration De Librairie in the first citation. If you're using the VisualEditor, click footnote 1 and the edit button, then scroll down to the Publisher field and change "Unsure" to "Administration De Librairie", then click "Apply changes" and "Publish changes". Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Rather more important than the publisher is, I think, the author. As Cullen328 and OCLC 458179424 indicate, the author behind the pseudonym was Paul Lacroix. You could use the "author-link" attribute for this. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

NAD+ (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide)

NAD+ (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) Oldboy6666 (talk) 22:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Oldboy6666: Hi there! Did you have a question about the Wikipedia article Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide? If so, the best place to ask is the article's associated talk page, Talk:Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

department of housing and construction in sydney

i dont want to ask a question but couldnt find a page where i could set the record straight on the above governmrnt department in sydney. i worked for that department and the dates are wrong. the government department of housing and construction was before 1977 because i got a job there around september 1977 and it was named the above department so i dont know who the source of your info is from but it was known as department of housing and construction well before i joined. and the department mostly built public housing places. 114.76.247.167 (talk) 23:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. Any information must come from published sources, not your personal recollection. RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It would be helpful if you would specify which of our six million articles you are referring to. I haven't found a "Department of housing and construction" for Sydney, but I have found three for Australia: I'm guessing you are referring to Department of Housing and Construction (1978–1982), but maybe you were looking at

• Department of Housing and Construction (1973–1975), or
• Department of Housing and Construction (1983–1987).

Each of those has citations to sources, though I confess that the source that is cited for the recreation of the department in 1978 (http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/SearchOld.asp?Number=CA+2747) does not currently seem to be accessible.

In any case, the place to bring up such a question is on the Talk page of the relevant article. But note that unpublished information, including personal recollection, is not accepted as a source for Wikipedia. You would need to find a published source for the department having existed in 1977. ColinFine (talk) 00:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

January 25

MLB players

Looking for height and weight of players. Can’t find. 2604:2D80:6A8F:B500:CC95:579E:7A39:31C0 (talk) 00:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If its not in the article for the player, ask at WP:RDE RudolfRed (talk) 01:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

What needs to be done?

For years, notable WWE personnel Nick Khan did not have any article. I created it first and it was moved to Draft:Nick Khan. I worked independently on it and hours later, someone creates Nick Khan again. What needs to be done? BinaryBrainBug (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BinaryBrainBug! I moved the Nick Khan article you created to the draft space. At the time it was moved, it contained two short sentences and one citation. As such, it was not ready to be in Wikipedia's main space yet because the article didn't indicate whether Khan is notable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. The draft space provides editors somewhere to work on their article and potentially receive feedback from other editors before having it published for the world to see. I hope that helps! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking back, some of the content, especially the sources (like archive links) seems to be copied from my work. Not trying for dispute but tagfing the reviewer Significa liberdade and creater Mechanical Elephant to have their say. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

BinaryBrainBug, if it is clear that your original work was copied from the draft to the new article, then that is a problem. But sources are not your original work. Any editor is free to write a draft at any time. And any autoconfirmed editor is free to write a new article at any time, if the topic is notable. It is not a race and we are not giving out brownie points for "first to write a certain article". The encyclopedia comes first. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

BinaryBrainBug, I looked at your article at the time it was created. It consisted of two very brief sentences and a single reference. The other version consisted of two dozen sentences and sixteen references. The comparison is striking. Cullen328 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, I am not here to take credit. However, the fact that I expanded and submitted the draft with reliable sources and then a another user created the article, knowing about the draft in queue is concerning, makes the whole system of draft review pointless.

About the copying, it's not about original work, but comparing the sources cited and archived, it seems that the user was at least aware of my draft. Again, I am not claiming ownership, I have problem with the review system and the user creating the article despite draft already existing without communicating with me doesn't seem respectful or good faith. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 08:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I have now moved the draft to Nicholas Khan as redirect to retain page history. What needs to be done with Draft:Nick Khan? BinaryBrainBug (talk) 09:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Table - not quite as I want

Caption text

A	B	C
Info A	Info B	Info C
About all of above

I have used:

{| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border: none;"
|+ Caption text
|-
! A !! B !! C
|-
| Info A || Info B || Info C
|-
|- style="border-style: none; height:1em; background:White;"
|colspan=3|
|-
|colspan=3|About all of above
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What do I need to change to remove the vertical lines on the otherwise blank line (the one with the White background)? BlueWren0123 (talk) 03:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

hi @BlueWren0123! the blank cell does not have vertical lines to me as you have used colspan on them. are you referring to something else? 💜  melecie  talk - 03:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No, for me it has the 2 vertical lines at the surround of the table. I have no lines within the table for that row.

Thinker78 - I looked at the 2 table option, but it seems that I would then need to change the horizontal sizes if I make any changes. I had hoped keeping to one table would avoid that BlueWren0123 (talk) 03:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@BlueWren0123: Tables are for presenting tabulated data. See MOS:TABLES. It seems you are trying to use tables for a purpose (e.g. formatting) other than that permitted. If you give a more detailed idea of what you are trying to achieve, then there may be other solutions to recommend. Bazza (talk) 10:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7:I am intending to use the tables for presenting tabulated data but to ask the question I presented just sufficient to ask the question. I was being concise.

I have information which will be best understood when presented in rows and columns and so a table is the most appropriate presentation style.

If the implementation of Tables is not going to work as I would like, then I will certainly consider other possibilities. Rather than create a large table and then find that it will not present the information clearly, I have asked for help. I try to consider the presentation of the data together with the gathering of the data. To use other than a Table for the data that I am gathering is not a 'best fit'.

Your recent arrangement of information into a table on Miner's inch in my opinion is an improvement. Your decision to use the flexibility of the Table arrangement seems well considered. Surely you are using formatting to display the data.

Why then do you tell me that using a Table for formatting is a purpose other than that permitted.

Could you not have tried to answer my question instead? BlueWren0123 (talk) 13:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@BlueWren0123: By "formatting" I meant formatting of page layouts. Some editors use tables to make columns of text. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Your requirement is unusual: why do you need your table to have an empty row (which you referred to as a blank line)? It is that which lead me to ask you for clarification about what you are attempting to achieve. Bazza (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

In the 'About all of the above' I intend to put clarification that applies to many of the cells above. To repeat that within the cells would be unnecessary clutter. I already have a presentation method for that that is within the MOS. BlueWren0123 (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@BlueWren0123: If the explanation is not tabulated data, then it should not be in the table. You can follow the table with normal text, or a list of explanations, or use notes to help with your explanations, or a combination of all of those. An example of using notes can be seen at District line § Four Lines Modernisation (4LM). Bazza (talk) 13:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

That does not answer the question of why you want a blank line. Why not simply:

Caption text

A	B	C
Info A	Info B	Info C
About all of above

This is no longer a productive exchange for me. Please deal with the content of my question. I probably will not respond further.BlueWren0123 (talk) 13:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@BlueWren0123: I'm assuming that you are referring to User:BlueWren0123/Basic? If you are not, then ignore the rest of this comment; if you are, it would have been helpful to say so from the start.

To answer your specific question: you can remove the two side borders of the blank row's single cell by adding style="border: none;" to its properties.

Your table, though, has two errors in it:

1. The completely blank row consisting of a single cell has no data in it. Its sole purpose is to act separate the rows above and below it, meaning it's being used for formatting the display of the table. It should not be present in the table.
2. It is not clear what the bottom row is as it is structurally covered by all three column headers. Because of this, it does not meet WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Its contents ought to be outside the table.

Should you add a table of that design to an article your edit could be reverted for the reasons I have attempted to give you above. Bazza (talk) 14:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Make a second table. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 03:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Do not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Removed edits

I've just had a couple of edits removed and, as a newbie, find this process really off-putting. That someone can just nuke text and not explain why is really not a good experience. Is there somewhere / way that I can ask whoever it was? Thx. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 13:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

The place to ask is either User talk:Seasider53 or Talk:Jimmy Carr. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thx SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@SecretSquirrel9: I suggest reviewing the information in WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, as this is a normal process of editing Wikipedia.

@Seasider53: When reverting good faith edits in the future, please describe why you're doing so in the edit summary. GoingBatty (talk) 15:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thx. I think I'll only do 1 edit a day in future. I'd added 3 lines, on diff aspects of Standup and all were removed - so I'm clueless as to whether it was 1 or all that @Seasides53 objected to.

I did think for a second it was an IT issue as I'd had an "exceeded rate limit" message and then found i was logged out (even though I'd checked to remain in for 1 year). I ended up logging back in 3 times (?) so something wasn't happy on the site (unless I happened to hit the page the second that it was being "reverted"). I have VPN software but it was disconnected at the time as I know many sites don't like it.

I've had enough today!!!! :o))) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Template and Article alerts for WikiProject

I'm new to templates and lua scripting, and just made a template for Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronic literature. I would appreciate it if someone could check that I did this correctly - and I would love advice on how to connect this to the Article Alerts section on the project webpage so we can see recently updated pages covered by the project. We only need a very basic template and so on to start with as we don't have any system for assessment yet. Thanks! Lijil (talk) 14:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

United Hotels of America

This article is very well done and matches my memory of details from my father who was the last Treaserer of the company. I would like to contact the author on a different aspect of the chain. How do I do this? Kody's Grandma (talk) 15:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kody's Grandma: Hi there! You may start a conversation on the article's talk page to talk with those editors interested in the article. If you go to the article and click on "View history", you'll see all the users who edited the article. GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kody's Grandma: I assume you mean United Hotels Company of America. There are many contributors. The main author can be contacted directly at User talk:DACC23. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Supercentenarians

I use Fandom to track supercentenarians. Fandom referred me to Wikipedia as the source. My question: The list of names for 2024 does not contain a (chronological number) as it has in past years. For example, compare https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_supercentenarians_who_died_in_2023 and https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_supercentenarians_who_died_in_2024

Having the names by number would be very helpful.

Thanks Steve Emperor43 (talk) 15:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. We cannot help you with Fandom or any other website. You will need to contact whatever help forum you can find there or fix the issue yourself. I don't understand what you mean by Having the names by number anyway. Wikipedia has a List of notable supercentenarians, not all supercentenarians. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Emperor43: I'm also unsure which numbers you refer to. I suspect you mean superscript numbers in square brackets like ^[2] after the names in wikia:gerontology:List of supercentenarians who died in 2023#List. They are not intended to number the rows. They are numbered references where ^[2] means the second numbered reference on the whole page and so on. A table row might have 0, 1 or more references. If you click the number then you jump to the reference text at the end. Nobody has added references to wikia:gerontology:List of supercentenarians who died in 2024 so there are no such numbers there. Wikipedia is not affiliated with Fandom and I doubt you can get somebody here to add references. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

How can I publish a translation from my contributions?

Hi! I have translated an article and it's now in my contributions section, but I cannot find out how I can submit it and publish it. Thank you, Machi MavrikiM (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MavrikiM. In general, the answer is that you can move the draft to main article space. But in your case this does not apply, for two reasons:

1. Your account on English Wikipedia is too newhas not made enough edits for you to have that function available

2. Judging by your user name, you have a conflict of interest, so you should not move the article to mainspace yourself, but should submit it for review. I have added a header to User:MavrikiM/Kostas Mavrikis to allow you to do so when you are confident that it meets English Wikipedia's requirements for referencing and notability (which may be stricter than Greek Wikipedia's) ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You also need to sort out the citations. Most of them use the parameter "ημερομηνία=" which is unknown in the English language Wikipedia. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Copyright question: using a photo of a diskette with a label

The main image of Electronic literature is a photo of a floppy disk with a label on it - the disk contains a classic work of electronic literature, a hypertext fiction by Shelley Jackson. The article is currently undergoing a GA review and the reviewer raised the question of whether the label might be copyrighted, regardless of the photographers of the diskette having specified that it is CC-by-SA. Are there any copyright specialists who know whether that would be the case? If a diskette label is copyrightable, could the author or the publisher in question give permission to use it, or do we need to find another image? Lijil (talk) 17:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems to me that the Eastgate logo clearly pushes it into the realm of a copyrighted item, like the dustjacket of a book. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I represent someone who wants to change their profile and edit it how she would like. Is that possible?

I represent someone who wants to change their profile information/photo and edit her bio how she would like. Is that possible? Zachliss123 (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If this relates to Nathalie Kelley, I suggest you start by reading Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, as you have been told repeatedly. And no, it isn't possible to edit a Wikipedia article to reflect how the subject 'would like'. This is an encyclopaedia, not social media. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Zachliss123 If you are compensated for your representation, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 18:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If your client wants to put up a profile someplace that she controls, she can do so. But it sure as hell won't be in Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Zachliss123, you have been indefinitely blocked from directly editing Nathalie Kelley since October 12, 2023. You are at high risk of being blocked from all of Wikipedia because you have failed to comply with the Paid contributions disclosure, which is mandatory and non-negotiable. Do so in your very next edit. At that point, you can make neutrally written, well-referenced, formal edit requests at Talk: Nathalie Kelley. Please read Wikipedia:Ownership of content and have your client read it too. Cullen328 (talk) 19:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

The tone of replies in this section is not acceptable. This was the enquirer's fourth ever edit!

The enquirer is a self-declared manager of the client in question, and as such should be professional enough to have learned the rules of this site before trying to use it in ways contrary to its well-publicised purposes and conditions of use. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.47.60 (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Zachliss123: You may find our FAQ useful: Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Biography Page

How do I create an article in the biography format? What do I do? Lesliharris (talk) 22:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Lesliharris, first make plenty of edits, based on reliable sources, that improve some of the many articles that already exist. When you've become adept at this, read and digest Help:Your first article. (Oh, I'm assuming that the bio is not for your boss or similar. If it is, please choose some "outlet" other than Wikipedia.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

"Commons category" or "Commons category-inline"?

Is it better to use the template "Commons category" or "Commons category-inline"? For example, on the Uruguayan Civil War page. JackkBrown (talk) 22:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

JackkBrown I checked with "what links here" and template:Commons category is used without a bullet as in Achilles, while template:Commons category-inline is used with a bullet as in Altruism. TSventon (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: The template instrucions at template:Commons category#Location says "Do not place this template in a section all by itself without floating left." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you have changed the original question you asked but I think it should be placed in a links section, not references. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: there are no external links on the Uruguayan Civil War page, so I removed the "External links" text and, consequently, also the "Commons category" template. JackkBrown (talk) 23:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

The Commons cat is an external link since it's going to a different website. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: yes, I know this, but it makes no sense to create a paragraph ("External links") just for the "Commons category" template. JackkBrown (talk) 00:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I think WP:MOSSIS is what we're looking for. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

account

Where is my personal account? 205.155.143.58 (talk) 22:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Nobody other than you will know. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If you don't remember your account name you can try Special:PasswordReset to have it emailed to you, but only if you have already set the email address for the account RudolfRed (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

January 26

Help downloading WP:AGF page to a pdf?

--OhioStandard (talk) 00:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)