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June 23

How do I make a page in a different language while linking it to an English page?

The page Law of the United States is only in 5 other languages, and I wanted to make one in Slovak. How do I create the page and make it show up under the same title but in the Slovak section? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! Metaalla 11:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking, new questions go at the bottom of the page. The page you are currently on is a transcluded archive page that will only be visible for another 18 hours or so.--VectorPotential^Talk 11:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question moved to Wikipedia:Help_desk#How_do_I_make_a_page_in_a_different_language_while_linking_it_to_an_English_page.3F_2--VectorPotential^Talk 11:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate images with different licenses?

I found Image:GeoreOrwell.jpg while looking up George Orwell on Wikimedia Commons. I'd say it's the same picture as Image:George Orwell (Eric Blair).jpg, except it is darker and is in public domain. I'd prefer to have the latter used, but I'm unsure about the licensing. Which is my best bet? --The Dark Side 01:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use Image:GeoreOrwell.jpg. Prodego ^talk 04:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prevent user from editing,like a bot?

I remember coming across a template that prevents bots from editing a certain page. Does this also comply with regular users? I'm not talking about blocking them, but preventing them from editing your user/talk page. –Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 03:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Page protection. ~ Wikihermit 03:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's {{nobots}}, apparently according to bot policy. It shouldn't affect normal users. --Haemo 03:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is I don't want a certain user editing my page. All and others are welcome. –Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 03:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way to ban a specific user from a specific page. If you are having problems with that user, go through the dispute resolution process. -- Kesh 03:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I've tried RFC and mediation. So there is no way to prevent a user from editing your user talk page?... –Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only blocking. Can you be more specific as to the problem? Prodego ^talk 03:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If all dispute resolution has failed, and other editors are involved in the dispute, you can take up a request for arbitration. If the ArbCom (arbitration committee) agrees that you are being harrassed, they can warn the user to leave you be and, if the user does not, they can be blocked from Wikipedia. -- Kesh 03:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, which page don't you want me to edit? --NE2 04:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As stated at the top, his/her User & Talk page. -- Kesh 04:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I missed that. I've never edited his user page, and I'm going to edit his talk page if I need to say something to him. --NE2 05:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not if I can help it. –Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 14:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well Imdanumber1, the whole point of a talk page is so people can contact you, and I would expect NE2 to be able to use it if he finds it necessary. Prodego ^talk 16:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So long as NE2 is not actually harrassing you, there is no need (nor method) to prevent contact on your Talk page. If you feel it has crossed into harrassment, go to ArbCom, since you indicate other dispute resolution processes have failed. -- Kesh 20:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Matrix Revolutions

I noticed in the article "The Matrix Revolutions" that it said there were no plants shown in The Matrix series until The Matrix Revolutions. But there are plants shown in The Matrix when Trinity is flying the helicopter and when Neo flies just before the credits. How would I correct the article?

71.221.220.143 05:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Click "edit this page" at the top of the article, the make your change in the body of the text. --Haemo 05:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Long introduction

Is there a tag for articles with an overly-long introduction? •97198 talk 07:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - {{intro length}}. See WP:TMC for others. Tvoz |talk 07:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

christopher elliott

i deleted my contact details. i have also edited the college details. so it's not advertising. i was ignorant to the fact and had no intention of advertising. simply just put down all details. i have edited them out and below is the new article. is this acceptable? kind regards Chris (email removed)

"bio" removed, not necessary for the Help desk

It seems that you are posting this in response to an editor's comments on your talk page. A better place to put this would be your talk page, or theirs, as this help desk is the place for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Specific concerns like this should almost certainly be taken up on talk pages. If you have any questions, let me know! Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 08:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kiandra snow club - linked to the modern history of skiing

I have made a page that I feel is very imortant and should be considered. The following message now appears on that page. This article is uncategorized. I do not understand the instructions given to do so, and request that if you agree that the page detail is important then would you please categorized on my behalf.

Kind regards, sealark

Norman Clarke — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sealark (talk • contribs)

Hi there, Norman! Just so you know, you can sign your posts on pages like this one by typing four tildes. (Just like this: ~~~~). I'm going to take a look at the article you've mentioned, and see what I can do. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 08:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note, I've responded further on your talk page. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 08:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphanbot deleting my images

At page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale%C5%9F an orphanbot keeps deleting my images. The images are all my own work and I categorise them as such, but it still deletes them from the page.

How can I stop it doing so?Pabloenlondres 09:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... looks like the images don't have "sources" associated with them. Have you checked out the guidelines at WP:UPIMG? You may find your answer there. If not, leave a message on my talk page, and I'll see if I can help you sort it out! Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 09:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Charlie, I do register my images as "Own work, all rights released (Public domain" but only some seem to then get classified correctly, whilst the others say "Who created this image? Who owns the copyright to this image? Where did this image come from? etc". I don't know why it does this. Can you help? Paul Pabloenlondres 09:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on your talk page, and I suggest we move the discussion there. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 09:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting an article - Henry Manning

I'm interested in the life of the Cromwellian spy Henry Manning. Unfortunately a site search arrives at a 100% relevancy to Henri de Man, the Belgian socialist thinker in the early 20C.. The chap I'm looking for was at the court of the exiled Charles II (of England) at Cologne and Brussels, until his discovery as an agent of the Protectorate government and his execution in 1655.

Jatrius 09:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, well there are two places you can go with this. The reference desk may have more information, if you are doing research. If you want the article to be created, you can list it here. Let me know if you have any other questions! Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 09:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google:"Henry Manning" Cromwell finds some possible links. This page says he worked for a John Thurloe, who does have an article. Talk:John Thurloe mentions that his article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition. You might see if that mighty work has an article about Henry Manning. --Teratornis 11:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Jatrius 11:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

to open a company in mauritius

dear sir

i am intersiting to open a company in your country can you guide me the procedure how to open a company in mauritius and how much does it costs.

Sorry, but this is a place to ask questions on the usage of Wikipedia, not opening companies. —Anas ^talk? 10:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might like to try the reference desk. This is for wikipedia related questions. Viridae ^Talk 10:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try: Google:open a company in mauritius. See: Offshore company. --Teratornis 11:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slideshow WIkipedia?

Is there any way to get pages to show, in alphabetical order, like flipping the pages in a book? It would be interesting to pick a 'page number' of wikipedia and just start flipping through it -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 10:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The closest you will get (to my knowledge) is the random article link, in the top left under the wikipedia logo. Viridae ^Talk 10:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Allpages shows all pages in alphanumeric order. You can start at a given letter, for example: Special:Allpages/B. See: Help:Special pages. --Teratornis 10:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not flipping through them one by one, though, which is why I asked that question specifically. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 14:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

help

if i ask a question on reference desk, after some days it disappears, how can i find it again as answers and discussions come there?59.92.5.237 10:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can:

For example, try searching both desks with a paraphrase of your question:

How do I look up old questions - Help desk
How do I look up old questions - Reference desk

--Teratornis 11:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you create an account, then you can click a link saying "my contributions" which will give a list of edits with that account, including date and a link to the edited page. The IP address used to ask the above question had no prior edits[1], but IP addresses can change each time you connect to the Internet (it depends on your connection). PrimeHunter 12:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil words-root words and meanings

I have been fascinated by many Tamil words which express deep meanings. One among them is 'ALLAM' [1]Allam in Tamil means nascent Water (fresh water). Examples: Kutralam - The water that pierces i.e falling water. Allawayan: referring a big water body as mouth, Allapulai:Water flowing hole or mouth. Alankatti means nascent ice pellets

Need help changing the title of this article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_journal

This article is about Yoga Journal, a magazine. I think the title should therefore have the "J" capitalized.

thanks

--IwantCleanAir 13:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To remane a page click on the move tab at the top of the page. Note: You should check with out users on the Article's talk page before moving the page. --Lwarf ^Talk! 13:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect this user is not yet autoconfirmed (less than 4 day old account, unable to move pages) so I've moved the page in question, especially since it was just a capitalization fix. Nihiltres^(t.c.s) 13:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

9/11 page

Dear Wikipedia,

I am writing about the page on the 9/11 attacks. It appears to be locked for editing, and yet I feel that it has a number of ommisions, and is certainly does not reflect a balanced opinion, stating confidently the official version of what happened, when there is currently a strong 9/11 truth movement (including hundreds of experts on various subjects from all over the world) which does accept the "official" version of what happened that day. I feel that you have a responsibility to give people the chance to make up their own minds, rather than just regurgitating the official story which is fundamentally flawed and goes against all kinds of laws of science. The only negative sentence I could find on the entire page was "The Commission has been subject to criticism." You don't even MENTION the 9/11 truth movement, let alone the possibility that the government story could be flawed. I am not a "conspiracy nut", just a concerned Wikipedia user that wants a balanced 9/11 page which at least admits the possibility of a series of events other than that of the official story (which cannot be true, as has been proved by experts time and time again). Since the mainstream media refuses to admit these possibilities it is up to sites like yours to let people have all the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.22.158 (talk)

The 9/11#Conspiracy theories, 9/11#See also and the displayed {{Sep11}} all link to 9/11 conspiracy theories. These theories don't appear to have sufficient notability to deserve major mention in the main article. Wikipedia content should be based on coverage in Wikipedia:Reliable sources. PrimeHunter 14:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article about 9/11 Truth Movement. PrimeHunter 15:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center and the lengthy discussion on its Talk page. Also note, it is not up to "sites like (Wikipedia)" to promote against-the-mainstream opinions. We report verifiable information that is notable. A number of the conspiracy theories do not satisfy either. Those that do are rather well documented here. -- Kesh 21:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answers, although I am still scaptical about the balance of opinion on all these pages. For example, on "Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center", the overview ends with "Mainstream engineers, investigators, and industry experts have dismissed controlled demolition of the WTC buildings as a conspiracy theory." I don't agree - some have, but many others have not.

trying to put "hangon" onto a page nominated for speedy deletion

One person nominated a page I'd created for deletion. I read the message and clicked on the blue link to the page to put "hangon" on the page. I was greeted by "this page does not exist". I looked at the deletion log. The page had been deleted by a second person 6 minutes after it had been nominated by the first person.
Because the page does not now exist, I can't put "hangon" on it. I've done various searches, but I can't find anything that tells me what to do in these circumstances. Please advise.
(Note: I understand why the page was nominated. I understand why the page was deleted. (Though I would have thought one should have longer than 6 minutes to respond - but let's not get side-tracked.) What I want to know is, given I can't put "hangon" on the page, what do I do next?) Thanks, Pdfpdf 15:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should contact the admin that deleted it and get others users and you to oppose its deletion and give reasons for so and why it is worthy to be left on Wikipedia. Also expand it. Wikihobby ҈ ^►^talk

Wikihobby should have explained that you should nominate your article at WP:DRV. Corvus cornix 04:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peak hours

In bot policy it says that bots should slow down during "peak hours" but it doesn't say when those hours are, could someone please tell me. Thanks, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 16:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt any bots actually do slow down, but here is a graph of requests to the servers. Prodego ^talk 16:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question about whether a certain addition is permissible and my rights

I have a question about whether a certain author's viewpoint should be inlcluded in an article about georaphy. In particular, on the Sub-Saharan Africa page, whether the inclusion of an Afro-centrist's belief that "the Sahara" is an imaginary division, though it is in fact very real, geographically, racially, historically, politically, culturally etc. should be included in the article. Does this not "influence" readers? And if this is allowed, should we not then question whether the Mediterranean sea is imaginary? whether Europe really begins with spain and not Morocco? in other words, should this not at once be removed? Also, is it not my RIGHT to edit article that I feel are POV, include certain sources but not others, link certain labels but not others? to present a distorted POV explanation? particularly as concerning Living People, countries, cultures that are for the most part helpless? ( such as nomads ) Mariam83 16:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't understand, but you have to keep a neutral point of view or else your contribution might get reverted, or, even worse, you could get banned. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 16:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What if the articles are hijacked by people who consider their POV/biased contributions neutral? Mariam83 16:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the National Geographic considered a reputable science journal? Mariam83 16:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The best thing you can do is rewrite the article to include the other side, do not delete biased contributions unless it is nothing less than obvious vandalism (like "Nazi's are idiots") or original research, just add the other point of view but only if it really is a point of view, i.e. has proper sources, etc. As for the National Geographic, it's pretty good, but I don't know if it's a reputable science journal, you may wish to ask at the reference desk. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 16:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles should satisfy Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If different Wikipedia:Reliable sources have published different points of view, then different views may in some cases be mentioned (without claiming one of them is "right"), but it depends on the notability of each viewpoint (for example how many or who have expressed it). If an editors own viewpoint has not been published by a reliable source then it should not be added, and other editors can remove it. It is the responsibility of editors who want to include information to give reliable sources. PrimeHunter 16:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

how do i.............

how do use the english part of this webpage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.79.216.209 (talk)

Can you be more specific about what you want? This help desk is part of the English Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org. If English is difficult for you then there is also the Simple English Wikipedia at http://simple.wikipedia.org, but it is far smaller then the normal English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 16:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to delete images?

Aparantly all my images are copyvio's. So how do I delete them?

Images: [2]

Can someone help me, I wish not to get banned (yet).

~~ AVTN ^Talk 16:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

QUESTION..

I would like to know if i can take further info about songs.. Like the instruments that have been used or the hardware staff.. If you know anythingabut that or any other site i can get this information.please tell me.. Thank you for your time.. Harris(mind_bug)

Try Forte, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 16:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appopriate Cleanup template?

I recently stumbled across this article, and there are so many things wrong with it I really don't know what to tag it with. Suggestions? Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 17:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! That article looks bad! No citations or sources and only external link is to a site of pictures of a bombing. I tagged it for cleanup but it may require a re-write. and I also removed some of the obvious nonsense. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 19:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

devlopment in industry in world till today59.161.111.20 17:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest stopping at your local library. This sounds like a homework question. We don't write papers for you. -- Kesh 21:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But we do have the article Industrial history. PrimeHunter 22:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help with article format

Hi, I'm working on the List of Texas A&M University people, a list of notable alumni, former students, faculty, and presidents of Texas A&M. I'm trying to figure out a way to indicate former students (those who did not graduate from the university). I thought about adding an asterisk next to former students, but I am wondering if there is a better idea to distinguish alumni from former students. Any thoughts? By the way, at Texas A&M there is no such thing as an "alumnus" as people who attended A&M are all considered former students ; that's why the subtitle says "notable former students". BlueAg09 (Talk) 19:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page messages

How can I stop getting unwanted messages on my talk page? Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 19:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What are you referring to? You haven't recieve any messages on your Talk page so far. You can't simply protect your Talk page entirely, as it's intended as the place where people can contact you if they need to discuss an article or your actions. -- Kesh 21:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the talk page has received messages [3] but today it was redirected to the user page (where no messages have come yet). That sounds like a bad idea to me. Redirecting the user page to the talk page is OK. PrimeHunter 22:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good catch. I missed it had been redirected to the User page. Yes, as PrimeHunter says, it's a bad idea to redirect your Talk page to your User page, especially when your link for "Talk" on your User page goes right back to the Talk page. The Talk page is intended for people to leave comments to you, as well as warning messages when your actions are questionable. I would suggest letting those messages remain. -- Kesh 22:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heed the warnings that people are putting on your Talk page, and they won't need to leave the warnings there in the first place. Corvus cornix 04:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transfering E-Mail accounts

I'm getting a new computer, and that means that my old E-mail adress will change. Is there a way to redirect my current account to the new one? Thank you

Just change the email setting in your preferences at the top of the page. -- Kesh 21:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question on talk pages

What should I do when an IP starts a talk page like a test, for example inserting random text, images, etc? How do I tag the talk page for deletion? —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 20:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a Talk page attached to an article, I would just blank the content, and put a normal Talk page header on it (like {{talkheader}} ). Just leave the page there until actual content is added. If it's a Talk page with no associated article, use a Speedy Deletion template and mark it as an orphaned Talk page (like {{db-reason|orphaned Talk page, G8}} ). -- Kesh 22:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 22:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can also use {{db-talk}} on talk pages with no article. PrimeHunter 22:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do you make a wiki on something? helpme

How do you make your own wiki on something?

Have you looked to see if Wikia has what you want?--Werdan7^{T @} 20:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki and Search the help desk for this question which comes up routinely. --Teratornis 21:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Autistic spectrum

There is a question that has concerned me about kids having Autism. I know a girl that has this and I have gotten told that she has a reversed chromosome that is backwards and I was wondering have you got any answers about this. When I work with her. She just sits by me for like 3 or 4 hours just sitting down being quiet and we both do things to keep her busy. I haven't seen it just yet but one day she just got mad and just took a hunk out of someone's arm and then she just goes over to the person and says she sorry. I don't know what it is. There is just something that sets her off and then she back to her usual self. She is very loving and friendly. I just would like to know how can a person have a---- Reverse Chromosome tht is Backwards?------

Wikipedia doesn't give medical advice. Miranda 21:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But, you may find information at Autism, or at our reference desk. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 00:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

find chris griswold

i need to find him to get unblocked...help me find him — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.159.56 (talk)

You can post a message at User talk:ChrisGriswold but User:ChrisGriswold says he is taking a long wikibreak. Others can unblock you. See Wikipedia:Appealing a block. PrimeHunter 21:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

body text is not available to me to edit

Hi,

I've registered, and clicked on the 'edit this page' link, but then the text of the original page is not there for me to edit!??

I've gone to the sandpit, and it's taught me how to make stuff bold, or insert a line etc., but not how the whole system works.

How do I go about appending, correcting, changing an existing page text?

The page I wanted to add to is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multyfarnham

I was born there, and my family founded the monestery there in c1214 [citations will be provided too!,] our family tomb is inside the monastery so I wanted to include a reference to that in the article, but on trying to edit, the text of the article was not available; I only was able to edit the external links and so on.

Regards, Declan --Subskinboi 20:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds as if you clicked the edit link next to the Multyfarnham#External links section heading. However, most of the article text is inside the (too-lengthy) lead section. To edit that text, you must click the edit tab at the top of the article. See WP:LEAD and WP:LAYOUT for guidelines on how to divide the too-lengthy lead section into standard article sections. --Teratornis 21:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Click the "edit this page" tab at the top. It sounds like you clicked the "edit" link to the right of External links.~~ PrimeHunter 21:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hey!!! I was first [4]. Don't insert your answer first just because it's more detailed, better written, more helpful, full of nice wikilinks, and , ehm, forget it ;-) Good answer! I'm striking mine. PrimeHunter 21:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised we got no edit conflict, since I probably had started typing my reply before you did (given that I needed more time to look up the various pages I linked to, and you probably typed yours extemporaneously). I don't know how my reply ended up above yours. Had I seen your reply before I started editing, I would have eliminated redundant wording from mine. Oh well. It would be nice if the Help desk provided a way to let a volunteer know if another volunteer is in the midst of editing an answer to a particular question. One ugly method would be to quickly post something like "I'm working on the answer" to encourage other volunteers to work on another question in the meantime. --Teratornis 16:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

em help! Template broken

I've just broken a template here can someone fix it? --Fredrick day 21:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done You removed one too many sets of }} --69.118.235.97 21:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

history yugoslavia

history yugoslavia— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.179.108 (talk • contribs)

History of Yugoslavia?--69.118.235.97 21:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tools to help visually-imparied use Wikipedia

Are there any tools available to help visually-impaired users view Wikipedia?

Thank you,

Rfahring 21:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are some spoken articles, but that's all unfortunately I can think of. The Internet, unfortunately, and Wikipedia are not visually-impaired-friendly yet. Sorry. Evilclown93_(talk) 00:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can't display foreign characters properly.

I am reading Wikipedia articles with Sanskrit words, but the words appear as question marks. I am using Mac OS X and have a Sanskrit font installed. How can I get these characters to appear correctly?

Thanks. Sincerely,

76.27.220.189 21:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. here is an example page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit

June 24

Good Article Icon

I seem to remember an icon that was placed in the top right corner of good articles, the same way the featured article star is. Did we get rid of it, or did it never exist and I don't know what I'm talking about? --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 00:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently so... Look at WT:GA. I think they are trying to re-do it. Apparently, it was stopped because the GA system was broken, but now there's an assessment/backlog clearing drive to improve it. Evilclown93_(talk) 00:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at this [TfD debate]. Evilclown93_(talk) 00:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting a Line

I noticed a line in an article that (in my opinion) does not speak about the topic. Is it better to ask for a concensus in the talk page first or to just go ahead and delete it with an editing summary?

Well, I always think its best to delete first only if you think it won't cause much controversy. If you think your change will be reverted, starting an editing war, or if you aren't sure, leave a talk page message to be safe. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 00:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick responseZ1720 00:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Overly technical information

I think I remember seeing this in the past, but is there a policy/guideline detailing what to do with over specialized information? (For example: highly detailed, technical information on a subject that the average reader would not understand and just confuse them) Michael Greiner 00:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Make technical articles accessible. You can add {{confusing}}. PrimeHunter 01:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Pokemon

How do I contribute to Wikiproject Pokemon? (LatiRider 03:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Edit any Pokemon article constructively. You could also formally join WP:POKE by adding their category to your user page or adding your name to their members list if they have one. --tjstrf talk 03:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon. -- Kesh 03:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

@@

I noticed on the Phione article that there is a @@ right below the links may I remove it or shold it be there? (LatiRider 03:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I've gone ahead and done that. Probably just a typo. -- Kesh 03:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that shouldn't have been there. By the way, you can feel free to be bold and remove anything you think is a simple error on a page. If it turns out it wasn't, someone can always revert you. No need to ask us about every change you want to make. --tjstrf talk 04:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was added by a bot [5] but I agree it looks like an error. I will inform the bot owner. PrimeHunter 04:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saving

Am I allowed to save pictures of wikipedia and use them personaly (eg. MS Paint)? (LatiRider 04:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

No, images uploaded are only for use with Wikipedia. See WP:NOT#WEBSPACE. -- Kesh 04:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Kesh misunderstood your question. Nobody is going to stop you from saving images off of Wikipedia and using them for your forum avatar or whatever. (What Kesh says is correct, but it relates to using Wikipedia to host your personal images, like you might use Photobucket or something. You shouldn't do that.) --tjstrf talk 04:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I may have misread the question. -- Kesh 04:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to add copyrights for pictures

How do I add the copyrights for my pictures? Also I have contacted the man from whom I received the pictures, which I added. --Seantkane 04:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for uploading images here, you need to choose an appropriate copyright tag among those listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All. Please see also Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Guidelines for detailed instructions. Peacent 04:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help Desk on Navigation

Could You put a link to the Help Desk on the navigation box to the left so people could directly link to this page if they had a question? (LatiRider 04:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I certainly can't. If there is a way, you'd need to be an administrator at the least and possibly a developer to make the change. As is, we link to Help:Contents, which I assume is where most people get to this page from. Good idea though. --tjstrf talk 04:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which navigation box are you referring to? Is it the one below the Wikipedia logo at the top left of all pages? PrimeHunter 04:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He might be on a different skin. --tjstrf talk 04:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LatiRider has changed right to left.[6] No answer to which navigation box so I guess it was the one below the logo (a lot of pages have additional navigation boxes within the page text). There are people who are able to edit that box, but I think the "Help" link to Help:Contents in the interaction box below it is sufficient. PrimeHunter 05:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Help link is sufficient for users who have enough experience to use it properly. Perhaps a skin for new users who intend to edit could add a toolbox link: "Ask for help with editing this page" which would open an edit window to the Help desk pre-filled with a link to the originating page, and four tildes to generate the user's signature. That would address the two most essential items most new users omit from their Help desk questions. (There could also be a skin for new users who only intend to read Wikipedia, with extra features to support that.) --Teratornis 16:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rotate images

How do I rotate images. I posted 3 images to wiki, they were properly oriented on my computer but wiki went with an old file and has em upside down?

wiki upload help was NO Help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.77.117 (talk)

Hmm... did you save the images on your computer after you had rotated them? Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 05:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot?

I noticed in one of my question's answers that someon said a bot placed something, although it was removed. Anyway, what is a bot? PS:sorry for asking so many questions. (LatiRider 04:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

No big deal. Take a look at WP:BOT. ~ Wikihermit 04:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might see also Internet bot, perhaps the article could give you a clear definition. Peacent 04:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For even more details: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Bot. --Teratornis 13:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prounciation

Could you add a prounciation to some names? LatiRider 05:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We are creeping up on 2 million articles. Quite a number provide pronuciations for names and words; others don't. If you find a name that you think needs pronunciation guidance, you can add that detail yourself as this is the free ancyclopedia that anyone can edit and all the content is added by volunteers just like you. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation) if you have the ability and desire to add this material yourself. If not, and you want to request this for a particular article, go to that article's talk page and suggest it.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary has pronunciations for some words. You can easily link a Wikipedia article to the corresponding Wiktionary article (if one exists) by placing the {{Wiktionary}} template in the Wikipedia article's External links section. For example, see this in action in: Hospital#External links. --Teratornis 13:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page history

It is really strange because my past few edits are not showing up in the page history. I've reverted some vandalism on Talk:Main Page, (thought I did anyway) warned the user only to find there was another warning for the same vandalism I thought I reverted. Checked the page history, there was no edits by Spebi. Any ideas what is going on? +spebi ~ 05:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone probably beat you to the punch. If two editors revert vandalism at the same time, whoever got in first gets the History note. The second revert doesn't go through, as it's already completed. This happens a lot on frequently watched pages (like Main). Had it happen to me twice today while monitoring Special:Recentchanges. -- Kesh 05:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhhh, all clear now. Thanks ;) +spebi ~ 05:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sound card

my souond card didn't work in red hat 7.what is do?

The Wikipedia Help Desk is only for asking questions about Wikipedia only as stated at the top. Ask your question at the reference desk for computers here. Thanks. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 06:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

any engineering subject

I NEED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS FIELD. PLESE SEND ME ALL THE INFORMATION BY E-MAIL.(<email removed>)

Hi. This is an encyclopedia so we have lots of articles on engineering topics. Please see Category:Engineering. We don't email people with information and it's a bad idea to publicly post your email address here unless you love receiving spam. If you have a specific engineering question, please ask it at the reference desk. This page is for questions about how to use Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit 07:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the name of an article

The name of the page I created is "Doctor of nursing practice" but I want it to read "Doctor of Nursing Practice" with the n in nursing and the p in practice capitalized. How do I change this?

Thanks, (<email removed>)

You need to move the page to a new title "Doctor of Nursing Practice". Click the "move" tab next to edit, history, and follow the instructions there. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 09:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1.) If you're not logged in or just recently opened your account, you may not be able to move an article at all.

2.) In the case of this article, there already exists a redirect from Doctor of Nursing Practice to Doctor of Nursing Science. So you can either work at the article on Doctor of Nursing Science (and whoever enters "Doctor of Nursing Practice" will be redirected to your work). Or, if you believe that "Doctor of Nursing Science" and "Doctor of Nursing Practice" are actually not the same (as also stated in the article) and (!) should be dealt with in two articles, then you can enter an article onto "Doctor of Nursing Practice"; it's not just possible to "move" the article you created onto an existing redirect--please either ask an administrator (e.g., you can do this on this page), or more simply, since you have been the only author so far, you can also just copy-paste your article onto the redirect (see before); in this case, please also adapt the "Doctor of Nursing Science", indicating that there is a separate article for the Doctor of Nursing Practice. - Either way, the original article "name" (lemma) without the capitalized letters [namely Doctor of nursing practice] should be deleted if you've finished moving your text: You can request deletion by placing {{delete}} into the article text; please make sure to explain that you've relocated the content.

Generally, I would also like to recommend the articles Wikipedia:How to write a great article and Wikipedia:Tutorial to you; they may give you a few new ideas about formatting etc. Hope this helps! :o) --Ibn Battuta 10:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

delete image that claims to be "fair use"

Can someone tell me what's the right procedure to request deletion of a "fair use" image without rationale of use? [The claim that those images will be deleted after 7 days is a pretty empty threat if we look around...] Which tag should I use? Do I have to put it somewhere up for deletion? (Where?) ...

I'm talking about this image, whose uploader has agreed to the deletion since the image was uploaded years ago when no free images were yet available (unfortunately, the comments are in German...). Today, we have enough free images on the Commons and further images on other Wikipedias, and the only remaining article that uses the image is postage stamp design--and there should likewise be plenty free images of postage stamps illustrating the same thing; consequently, a request for a rationale on the talk page of the article has not been answered for four weeks.

In short: I think there's no doubt that this fair-use image should be deleted because there are enough free images displaying the same, and I just wonder how to proceed from here. Thanks, Ibn Battuta 10:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you have a fair-use image than can be replaced by a free one. In this case, you should tag it with {{subst:rfu}}. See WP:IFD for more information. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 10:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right on target--thanks a lot! --Ibn Battuta 10:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crossings Out

Just wondering why all the latest comments at Talk:L. Paul Bremer have a line drawn through them? I added a comment to the page querying this, and it too appeared with a line drawn through it! What's going on? Colin4C 11:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed it. Someone tried to strike out one word but didn't close the XHTML tags, so it struck out everything from that word onwards. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 11:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Colin4C 11:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for Creation

Hello, I am trying to help in AfC, but I do not quite understand the instructions for what to do in the case of nonsense or a personal attack. Could someone please help? Thank you very much, Neranei 13:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation is probably the best place to discuss it. I have no AfC experience. PrimeHunter 19:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

<noinclude></noinclude> tags

What do <noinclude></noinclude> tags do? Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 18:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are for templates - when someone creates a template, and they put it into a page, everything on the template page is put on the other page. However, if some of the template is put in those tags, it is not put on the page. Also, the <includeonly></includeonly> tags include something when it is put on a page (known as transclusion) , but not when it is viewed on the template page. Stwalkerster talk 18:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colors on my watchlist

What do those green or red numbers on my watchlist indicate? Dragon Smaug 19:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They mean the number of letters added or taken away from the article. (Red is taken away, Green added) :) Stwalkerster talk 19:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) Dragon Smaug 19:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

question about citing same source multiple times

In many articles, the same source may be used to support sentences in different parts of the article and it is appropriate to reference each one. I can use WP:CITE but then each reference to the same book or article is listed completely as a separate number in the references section. For example see the refs 1 and 2 in puberty. I cannot find the method to make subsequent uses of the same citation simply refer point to ref 1 where it is listed in full. Just point me to an example of a page that does it right and I can figure it out. I am also asking this question on the talk page of WP:CITE and will watch both places for answers. Thanks. alteripse 20:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Footnotes#Citing a footnote more than once. PrimeHunter 20:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that does it. alteripse 20:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help me please!

I've managed (accidently) to mess up the references for Aqua (band) while adding some extra. I'm still quite new and I'm not used to the coding for citing sources. I've tried and it's gone wrong. Frankly, I don't know what to do. Please would someone who know how to do this take a look at the article and do it properly. Escape Artist Swyer | Talk to me | Articles touched by my noodly appendage 20:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it. Whenever you add in text citations, always be sure to place a {{reflist}} in the references section to make the references show up in the article. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 20:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Escape Artist Swyer | Talk to me | Articles touched by my noodly appendage 21:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Resolution reduction so image complies with Wikipedia's non-free content policy

What resolution is wise to use when you reduce the resolution of an image so it will comply with Wikipedia's non-free content policy?

Thank you Akiramenai 20:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that'll depend, a bit. Wikipedia's default image thumb size is something like 200 to 300 pixels wide, I think, so perhaps that's a good starting point? – Luna Santin (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page Creation

Hey! :-)

I can't figure out how to create a page and I've looked all over but I can't find a link or anything to creating a page. Please tell me how? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taytot1995 (talk • contribs)

Type the name of your page in the Search box, or click a red link in any article. Then click the red text "You can create this page". HandigeHarry 21:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Be warned that Wikipedia deletes several articles every minute for violating various policies and guidelines. (Just in the time you probably took to find the Help desk and type your question, a whole bunch of new articles from users like you got deleted. Ouch!) I'm not trying to be insulting here, but if you're having trouble finding pages such as Help:Creating a new page, maybe you haven't spent enough time reading the lengthy manuals yet to know how to create new articles that "stick." You might end up asking Why was my article deleted?. Before you sink a lot of time into editing, you might want to tell us about the article(s) you want to write, so we can advise you on how to avoid falling prey to the deletionists. --Teratornis 02:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Software suggestion

How to suggest a change in the wiki software?

What I want is this: In my watchlist preferences I ticked "Hide bot edits from the watchlist" and I unticked "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes". The result is that manual edits are hidden when they are superseded by a bot edit. I cannot imagine that this was intended, so I suggest to modify the software. HandigeHarry 21:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'll want to take that suggestion to the WP:Village pump. This page is only for questions about how things work right now, but there's a section on the VP about suggestions for changing the software itself. -- Kesh 22:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link colours

I have noticed that some internal links here appear to be external links, with respect to the colour, and also that, on several image pages, the word "image" on the tab at the top of the page is red. What are the reasons for these anomalies? Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 22:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It may depend on what browser you are using. Here is the difference between Google.com (Wikipedia article) and Google.com (external link to the actual website). I see a funny box and arrow after the second link but not the first. I don't know what you see.

The image tab could be red if the image was uploaded recently without source information. A red tab at the top of the page, for "article", "discussion", "user page", whatever, means that nobody has edited that page yet. It's possible for an image to be uploaded on Wikipedia but nobody has edited the image page yet. Yechiel Man 23:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help finding categories

I have difficulty finding an easy-to-use list of categories. At some point I stumbled on a searchable list of categories, but I have been unable to find it again, and lost my bookmark. WP:CAT frankly baffles me, and even the talk page is intimidating. -- Rob C (Alarob) 23:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you mean [7]? To get here, go to "special pages", then "All pages", then select the category namespace. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's it! Thanks for showing me how to navigate there. -- Rob C (Alarob) 23:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In case you don't know, it's possible to search in the whole category name by clicking Search below the normal search box to the left and then use the search box at the bottom with Category checked and the rest unchecked. PrimeHunter 00:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can also search Wikipedia categories with Google. You can remember useful search URLs by adding them to your user page (see mine at User:Teratornis#Useful searches). --Teratornis 02:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

June 25

Barnstars

Where can i find the different types of barnstars? Atrocity1313 (Contact me)

I think Wikipedia:Barnstars is the page you are after. Raven4x4x 00:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem uploading "The Rings of Reality", R. Stewart Hall, 2000. I am Everett Allie

I have tried to upload a manuscript with its permit and description, using the uploader. When submitted, I god an error message that the file was empty. This is a large file. Would that be the problem?

Everett E Allie (email removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speciesup (talk • contribs)

If you are trying to create a new article by uploading a manuscript file in some other format, that's not how Wikipedia works. On Wikipedia, articles consist of wikitext that we edit ourselves. Wikitext is a markup language that is unique to the MediaWiki software and unlikely to be the same as whatever file format your manuscript uses currently. In general, MediaWiki is incompatible with almost every other form of word processing software, but there are some tools that can convert from some formats to wikitext. See User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Imp for a few. Another problem is that articles on Wikipedia cannot be verbatim copies of copyrighted works. If The Rings of Reality is a notable work, you may write an article about it, but the full text of the article does not belong here. If the work is in the public domain, you might be able to upload it to WikiSource. --Teratornis 02:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Broken bulleted list

At Alewife (MBTA station), there is an "Attractions" section. If I edit it, I see each item beginning with an asterisk. If I press {Preview}, I see bullets by the items. But going back to the actual article itself, I see no bullets. Any ideas why, or what can be done about it? Matchups 01:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see bullets for items beginning at the left edge, and no bullets for items beginning to the right of the image of the red line. This appears to be how the browser renders the page. If I change window width then each bullet comes and goes depending on whether the item starts at the left edge or not. I don't know whether this a HTML specification but I would just ignore it if this is what you see. PrimeHunter 02:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) :Yeah, the problem is that the "MBTA Red Line" template to the left of the text you're trying to edit conflicts with where the bullets belong. As a result, the bullets are hidden and do not appear on the page. (I didn't see them in the preview either.) If you remove the template, the bullets reappear, but I think it's fine the way it is. Another possibility is to devise a workaround by adding something similar to bullets using unicode or nowiki tags. Please ask me on my talk page if you want to do that and don't know how. Yechiel Man 02:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Matchups probably meant that the bullets were displayed when only the Attractions section was edited. This section does not contain the Red line, so there are no problems. PrimeHunter 02:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted bio of Joey Jett

Hi,

I tried to put up a biographical page today for Joey Jett, an upcoming skateboarder who has gained local fame and is gaining national attention. It was automatically deleted and I have no idea why. I tried to restore it with no luck.

More info on Joey is at his official site at www.joeyjett.com and I am authorized to post information about him.

Why was this deleted twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SiriusCreative (talk • contribs)

Welcome! We receive similar questions more often than you might think. Please read Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? Most likely, Joey Jett failed Wikipedia's guideline of notability, and was deleted according to the speedy deletion policy for unremarkable people. Wikipedia's definition of importance tries to be more strict than what you are expecting (although you'd be surprised at some of the articles that sneak in somehow). I'd be willing to review a copy of the article if you have one with you, or if you can ask the administrator who deleted it to undelete it temporarily. You will probably need to accept that Wikipedia chooses not to have an article on every subject. Yechiel Man 02:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joey Jett was manually deleted [8] with summary "CSD A7(Bio): Biographical article that does not assert significance". See also Wikipedia:Notability (people). Biographies should have Wikipedia:Reliable sources showing they satisfy the guidelines. PrimeHunter 02:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The short summary is that Joey Jett needs to be written about by reputable publications, and you need to cite them as reliable sources in his article to establish his notability. The subject's official Web site is not, by itself, sufficient to establish notability. So start building a file of all the press clippings about Joey Jett; if there aren't any yet, start contacting reporters who cover skateboarding and see if they will write about him. Click all the links in the responses to your question and read all those pages carefully. On Wikipedia, the rules are complicated, but they are all spelled out, just as in skateboarding competitions. Joey has to follow the rules when he competes, and writing on Wikipedia works the same way. Except that we have something like 10,000 officials looking for infractions. --Teratornis 02:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture upload

How do I add information for uploading an image (picture) after the upload. I do not know how to get back to image loading page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlotteHyde (talk • contribs)

Just add the necessary templates; see Wikipedia:Template messages. I can help you more if you provide a link to the image. --Haemo 02:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check your contributions (see Help:User contributions). It appears you uploaded an image: Image:TAH head shot.JPG. --Teratornis 02:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

B-17

In reference to the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress. The info regarding the bomb load is ironeous and incompetent. The B-17 carried a maximum of 2000 lbs (907kg). THe bomb bay was not large enough for more than two 1000 Lb or four 500 lb or eight 250 lb bombs. I don't know where the writers got their info but they should check out www.aviationhistory.com/boeing b-17 to be properly informed. I have over 60 years of historical and modeling experience with aircraft plus over 6000 hours as the pilot in command in over 30 different aircraft including 1 hour in an actual B-17. Please correct your artical. You are supposed to be a historical info site but not with bad info like the b-17 bomb load. Ricahrd J Strode

You can be bold and fix this information yourself! You can also post on the talk page to get informed editors involved. --Haemo 02:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Maximum reported B-17 & B-24 bomb loads. --Teratornis 03:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An old proposed deletion for Gordon B. Hinckley Alumni and Visitors Center

Recently I ran across an article at The Gordon B. Hinckley Alumni and Visitors Center which needed work. I got to work on it, moved it to Gordon B. Hinckley Alumni and Visitors Center (removed "the" from the title), removed POV content, added references, an infobox and a picture. As I'm looking at the "What Links Here" I do some browsing and notice that the article was proposed for deletion and deleted because a notice expired back in January. (See this link).

The bottom line is this article was deleted, recreated somewhere else with a different name, then moved (by me) to the location of the original deleted article. My concern was that I didn't contest the deletion or didn't follow protocol on restoring the article, primarly because I didn't notice it was deleted.

What should I do now? Do we just leave the article as is? I do feel that the article is notable enough (the 10 references should show that). If so, can I get an admin to throw up the Template:Oldprod tag to the talk page? Chupper 03:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't worry about it. Likely, the old article was not properly sourced or did not assert notability. Looking over what you've written, you've solved both of those problems. Good work! -- Kesh 16:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is anyone creating short-cuts to check if one's contributions have been edited?

I can't be the only one who finds it too time-consuming to see if my contributions have been changed or deleted. Or is there an easier way? I have over 100 on my watchlist, I think. To check each one I must click on it in my watchlist, then search through the history to find my last contribution (which is often 3 or 4 pages earlier!), then compare that edit of mine with the current version, which I can't figure how to do when the versions are on different pages in the history. All that takes over 10 minutes per article, or over 1000 minutes to check them all--over 16 hours. So I check 2 or 3 articles and then give up. Thanks! Can you answer on my talk page? That's because I'm unlikely to be able to find this question again with your answer. 70.67.80.91 03:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what? IP editors have watchlists now? --tjstrf talk 03:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! Sorry, I thought I was logged in. That's my question above. Often I log in but after a while I'm automatically logged out but I'm not notified. I think I signed with 4 ~. Korky Day 05:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that this is actually someone with an account who is just not logged in right now (in which case posting on the IP's talk page wouldn't work since there's no way to tell if the editor will see it), here's something you can try: go to your Special:Contributions page, and look for an edit you made. If it has (top) after it, no-one's edited the article since then. If it doesn't, then it's not too hard to compare the page as you left it and as it is now by going to the history of the page, locating your edit in the list, and clicking the (cur) link next to it. (Incidentally, the (last) link will compare the chosen edit to the previous version of the page.) Confusing Manifestation 03:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! You're right, (cur) does sometimes work, but I'd still have to go to the history page each time and look for each contribution of mine--one by one. That's what takes so long. I can't click on (cur) on my contributions page to see if it's been changed. Even if (cur) in the history saved a couple of minutes per article, it would still take 8 minutes per article, or over 13 hours altogether. It would help a little if I could find a list of articles on my watchlist (listed only once each), but I don't know how to find that. All I can find is a huge huge list of changes made to articles on my watchlist.Korky Day 05:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list of all the pages on your watchlist is linked up the top, where it says "You have 98 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages); you can display and edit the complete list." <- the link in "display and edit the complete list" is to Special:Watchlist/edit, where you can find links to the articles, their talk pages, and their history pages. Still not the 100% perfect solution for what you want, but perhaps a start. Confusing Manifestation 06:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Kim

{{helpme}} my page is being deleted

Responded on your talk page. Miranda 04:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit facts

Under the heading subject "Rodeo Drive" there should be a reference to "David Orgell" - an existing store on Rodeo Drive, and the man, now deceased, who was a founding member of the original "Rodeo Drive Committee" which included David Orgell, Gucci, and Fred Hayman of Giorgio among others. They made Rodeo Drive what it is. See also, www.davidorgell.com (history), as well as contact the Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce (David Orgell is a former President of the Chamber) for more information.

Thank you, Michele Orgell

Be bold and add the information yourself. Please be sure to provide reliable sources (not his web site, independent sources) that show he is notable and relevant to the article. -- Kesh 16:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change of Authorship?

A couple of months back, I contributed an image to the Wikimedia Commons, and added it on a relevant article on Wikipedia (a photograph of a bird). I used the copyleft tri-license option, as I want people to be able to use my work however they want, so long as I'm credited. The problem is that I just recently took a look back at the article in question, only to find that the attributes of my photograph itself had been changed, with someone else claiming authorship and defacing the description. As near as I could tell, no record of the change had been made, although my original addition was still visible at the bottom of the page. Why is a change to the Author field of an image allowed (it's not something that can very well change, is it?), and is there any way I can prevent this from happening? I look forward to future contributions (bird photography is a hobby of mine, and I like to think that I'm pretty decent at it), but I can't feel entirely comfortable if I can't somehow permanently attach my name to the image. I don't care how the photograph itself is used, but that Author credit needs to stay intact.

I apologize in advance if I come across as rude, or ignorant of the system. I do fully support Wikipedia and its goal, I'm just afraid I'm a little bit un-informed as to its specifics; hopefully the community can educate me.

Robertbieber 04:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest changing it back -- and adding the page to your watchlist. Then, if it happens again, you can report the person who did it to the admins. --Haemo 04:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The record of change is in the history ([9]). You can also see there who made the change, but they were unregistered so there is only an IP adress. If you add the images you upload to your watchlist (there should be checkbox in the upload form) you can check if people made any changes to them in your watchlist. I think this kind of thing is quite rare though...it probably won't happen again. ssepp^(talk) 07:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

articles in different languages

I just created an article in English Wikipedia that already exists in Hebrew Wikipedia. how do i link them to each other in the "other languages" box?--Rukiddingme? 04:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of the English article, add

[[he:רחל ולדן]]

At the end of the Hebrew article, add

[[en:Rachel Walden]]

I'll do it for you. Shalom ^Hello 04:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

periodic table of elements(reduced down to one page)

How do I reduce the size of your periodic table of elements to fit on one page, still with the name,weight, ect...

Wikipedia's format of the Periodic table is located at Periodic table (standard). You can transclude that onto another wiki-page by adding the following parameter:

{{:periodic table (standard)|width:50%|height:25%}}

This should produce a much smaller version, like this: Periodic table (standard) That probably won't solve all your problems, but I hope it helps. Shalom ^Hello 05:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier Rudd interview added twice

Hello; Whilst I am very very happy for someone to add an article from our magazine, I have noticed that the same Xavier Rudd interview's been added twice in your external links...

For the record is it possible to let me know that the interview has been added with your consent - as we don't add things on here (after being told to ask the editors of each section before adding articles)

Kindest Regards Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancashire Fusileer (talk • contribs)

Hmm... could you show me to which article you are referring? Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 11:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could be: Xavier Rudd#External links. The problem is that two un-named <ref> tags in the lead section cited the same interview, and instead they needed to share a name attribute per WP:FOOT#Citing a footnote more than once. So I fixed it. --Teratornis 16:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Registering in Wikipedia

An E-mail I got from Wikipedia said:

"If you did not recently register for Wikipedia (or if you registered with a different e-mail address)..."

I don't whether I have registered for Wikipedia because I don't know what it means to register for Wikipedia (or to register for it with a particular E-mail address). What does it mean to register for Wikipedia (to register for it with a particular E-mail address)?

Bowei Huang 06:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You registered for Wikipedia when you got your username, and presumably the email address you used in the sign-up form is the one you received that email at. Confusing Manifestation 06:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Registering with Wikipedia means to create an account with Wikipedia through which all your edits and contributions are made. If you did not create an account for Wikipedia, than the e-mail may be a phishing site and should be ignored. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 07:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User's last edit date

Is there any way to display user's last activity date based on their usernamename/ip? A template of sorts that will display the last time the user changed anything in Wikipedia will make it easier for me to track potential vandals. Maurog 07:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only way I know is to use Special:Contributions. E ^talk 07:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I use the contributions page all the time, that's not the problem. You see, I have a list of pet vandals with links to their contribution pages, but right now the only way to check if they were active is checking the contribution page of each and every one. That takes a lot of time to check and usually there are very few new contributions. If there was a way to query the last time a user has been active and display it, that would save a lot of work. Anyone knows if it's possible? Maurog 09:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not within Wikipedia, unless the code gets changed to support it. However, some web browsers (or other programs) can be given a URL to "watch" and report to you when its content changes. I know IE used to do that, but I haven't used that browser in forever. You set a "subscription" and tell it how often to check the page, and it'll alert you whenever the page content changes. -- Kesh 16:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

confirmation code

When I try to register I keep getting told that I have a missing or incorrect confirmation code. I do believe I read the fuzzy words correctly. What and where is the confirmation code? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.191.54 (talk • contribs) 07:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can get your account created by an administrator at WP:ACC if you're having trouble yourself. E ^talk 07:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my Account Name

Dear Admin,

Please help me change my account name to Schmoovy Schmoov from how it currently exist as Schmoovyschmoov with not break or capitalization on the second name.

Thank you, Schmoovy Schmoov

Schmoovyschmoov 08:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to have a look at Wikipedia:Changing username, which is where you will have a better chance. Stwalkerster talk 08:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No point going to Wikipedia:Changing username, you only have one edit so I doubt they'd do it for you. Just log out and create a new account. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 08:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the software doesn't allow you to create the new username because it's too similar to the old one and it thinks you're trying to impersonate yourself, you can put in a request at Wikipedia:Request an account instead. --ais523 08:41, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Or you can go the slightly easier way, if you don't mind keeping Schmoovyschmoov as your username - change your signature so that it displays as Schmoovy Schmoov by changing it to [[User:Schmoovyschmoov|Schmoovy Schmoov]] - like how I'm User:ConMan, but sign as ... Confusing Manifestation 10:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Redirection" of an article

Greetings,

I recently visited an article called "Economic Democracy" on Wikipedia. It was interesting, but I felt it should be updated with more recent input from a couple of authors, one of whom is David Schweickart. So I tried my had at editing on Wikipedia for the first time, and left a fairly meek suggestion.

Next day, I tried to revisit the page and finish reading it, but the whole thing was gone. I was redirected to a new article, entitled "David Schweickart", with just a brief section about his views on "Economic Democracy".

Is this appropriate? What happened to the original page? Is Schweickart the only person entitled to have a view on "Economic Democracy"? Was this whole thing just a mistake? Do whole articles routinely disappear from Wikipedia with no notice at all? That doesn't seem very stable or reliable, does it?

Thanks for whatever light you can shed.

Thanks.

Capitalization is important; Economic democracy is different (in terms of Wikipedia) from Economic Democracy); the latter is a redirect (why? I'm not exactly sure); the former is the page you were looking at and edited. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Have a look at the discussion page Talk:Economic Democracy to see what happened. The problem seems to be at least partly between the difference between Economic Democracy (capital D) and Economic democracy (lowercase d). User:David Oberst was the person who made the suggestion and asked the question; contacting them by editing User talk:David Oberst is probably the best way to ask for more details. (This seems to be a pretty unusual case; redirects are formed routinely, but not normally in this situation.) --ais523 08:46, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

And fixed. Both capitalizations now point to the idea article. Schweickart's article is metioned there as a reference anyway. Maurog 15:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

XPress page deletion

Dear Sir,

Each time I invest my efforts in creating my company page and few days later I discover suddenly that my page has been deleted and I am the only one who is authorized to edit my company page since I am resposible for the digital marketing issues on bahalf of my company. Kindly find below link for our company page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPress

please I need to solve this deletion problem and replace the content back

I would appreciate it a lot if you can contact me at my direct email for any more clarifications *removed email address*

WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:COI, etc etc. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 09:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, forgot: WP:ADS -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 09:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I sent an email with an explanation since he is probably not reading this. ssepp^(talk) 10:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

can you?

can you help me, my car broke down onHIghway 80, please help me!g2g please my number is ***-***-****, plesse, I have THREE children with me!serious I am not kidding, I happened to have my laptop in my trunk. help me!!!!

I'm sorry, this is the place for help with using Wikipedia, not a breakdown service. Please try visiting the website of a breakdown company, or contact them via VoIP. Stwalkerster talk 09:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IPC OF INDIA

pLEASE PROVIDE ME ALL SECTION OF IPC ( CRIME )OF INDIA LIKE, SECTION 1,2,3-----.−

See [10]. The first result works. ssepp^(talk) 11:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

change in website address for Israel Exploration Society

Dear Wikipedia, The address of the website of the Israel Exploration Society, to which you refer in your article about the society, has changed.

The old website address was: www.hum.huji.ac.il/ies

and is no longer operational.

The new website address is:

http://israelexplorationsociety.huji.ac.il/

We hope that you will be able to change this link in all of the Wikipedia articles referring to the Israel Exploration Society as soon as possible.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Alan Paris, editor Israel Exploration Society

You can make uncontroversial changes like this yourself, rather than having to ask here; Wikipedia is a wiki, which anyone can edit. Make sure you get the right address, though; the 'new website address' you gave was actually an email address, not a website address. --ais523 11:37, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

I believe it was a typo. Maurog 11:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Viewing site wide changes made in the past (not so recent changes).

I want to check site wide changes made after 04:00 GMT on 2007-06-05, but the link [11] only shows the current changes. Help:Recent changes doesn't help. -- Jeandré, 2007-06-25t11:51z

Special:Recentchanges can't be paged backwards, apparently (the 'from' specifies a time to show changes since, not to show changes before, and the most recent changes are always shown), so although the information exists there isn't an obvious way to get at it (assuming that the information is still in the recentchanges table; if it isn't, it makes the problem even harder, although analysing a database dump would still give a solution). You might try asking at the technical village pump, which is a common place for this sort of question; someone there may be able to tell you how to find out the answer or to run the check themselves and give you the results. --ais523 11:58, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Thanks, I'll ask at VPT. -- Jeandré, 2007-06-25t12:23z

Saving .svg files

I've redrawn a few png images that should be SVG files. Unfortunately, I cannot find an option in Adobe Flash to save the image as an SVG. I have to save it as a PNG first and then find another program to save it as SVG. What should I do in order to save SVG in Flash directly instead of converting it a million times.

(I tried editing the images in some SVG editors like sketsa and Inkscape but I don't believe there is a bucket tool there. Flash handles filling colors much better unless I have overseen this option in sketsa and Inkscape)

Sorry for the long explanation and thank you in advance Akiramenai 12:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PNG is a raster graphics format, SVG is a vector graphics format; converting from PNG to SVG doesn't make any sense. If an image does make sense as an SVG, it has to be edited in a vector format throughout. (A vector format contains information about where all the lines, curves, fills, etc. that make up the image are; a raster format merely contains the colour of each pixel, and therefore loses information needed to scale a vector image correctly. Fill-bucket doesn't make a whole lot of sense on a vector image (although there are some ways it might be possible to code it). Any SVGs that you might produce by automatic conversion from PNG won't contain the vector information, and so will have no advantage over the original PNG and may as well just be saved as PNG files. See Image:VectorBitmapExample.png for an example of why raster formats contain less information than vector formats. --ais523 12:35, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Yes that's why I was wondering how I could save the images I made from scratch based on the png images in Flash to SVG.( I hope there is some kind of plugin of some sort) The bucket tool works good in Flash so I suppose that's no problem ( just try to enlarge a piece of an image filled with the bucket tool, the quality remains as expected) Thanks for your fast reply Akiramenai 12:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is Flash a vector graphics editor? (I don't know). If not, I suspect that creating a proper vector SVG using it is impossible. Don't use PNG as an intermediate format, though; use a different vector graphics format (WMF and EMF are common on Windows, for instance). --ais523 12:52, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Yes, Flash is a vector graphics editor. The official vector graphics format for Flash is .swf

However Flash also allows vector images made in the program to be saved in WMF or EMF. Is it wise to do this and then save it in .svg in another program? I am afraid using this method will ruin the quality (on the other hand WMF and EMF are metafile formats and that means it should be lossless or am I wrong?) Anyway, I have tried this method and for some reason the image came out HUGE in the program I used to convert it to .svg It worked out eventually, though. All I need to know now is if using this method (saving the image in EMF and then converting it in svg) is wise?The converted file can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Krasnik_herb.svg Akiramenai 13:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever method you used to create that file is fine; I've looked at its source, and it's definitely in vector format. EMF is a lossless format that's fine as an intermediary for converting to SVG. --ais523 13:23, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Ok, thanks again for your 'real-time' support Akiramenai 13:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Contact us" ????

Should there not be an actual email address to just contact Wikipedia staff about a problem? I am not illiterate in any way, and am not an idiot, but after about 15 minutes of searching for an actual 'contact' email address, I must wonder what the logic is in this. Hey wiki - I would like an email for contact! Make it easy to find and use! Does this not make sense?

What is it that you're looking to do? Because this is a collaborative encyclopedia, most communication is done through the talk pages of various articles. There are, however, certain instances that require Wikipedia personnel (i.e. a specialized group of trusted Wikipedians) to step in. You can find a list of e-mail addresses at Wikipedia:Contact us. tiZom_(2¢) 13:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it does make some sense for Wikipedia to be somewhat difficult to figure out. The initial complexity of Wikipedia acts as a kind of IQ test which has the effect of favoring smart people who are motivated to read and follow instructions. The quality and success of Wikipedia are directly the products of the kinds of people who find themselves drawn to contribute to Wikipedia in its current form. This is, after all, an encyclopedia, and as I recall from childhood, anyone who took much interest in encyclopedias came to be characterized (perhaps even ostracized) by his peers as being "a brain." Wikipedia's staggering complexity makes it comfortable for contributors from the Cognitive elite and intolerably perplexing for much of hoi polloi (because IQ test scores correlate with a person's ability to learn the complex and unfamiliar - high-scoring people tend to learn new things quickly without much direct assistance, and actually enjoy it). In any case, there is a clear payoff from having to learn wikitext editing before one can converse on talk pages: wikitext is a vastly more expressive language than plain text. Notice, for example, that I sprinkled links throughout my response, which a reader can click to understand what I am babbling about. Providing all the same background information in e-mail is more difficult for the sender to type (as bare URLs) and more difficult for the recipient to read. Other advantages of communicating with talk pages:

Discussions remain attached to their associated articles.
One can go back and correct one's errors after the fact (although etiquette suggests using the <strike> tag so as not to make any followup replies that depend on the original erroneous text appear to become errors themselves).
Formatting markup is available (such as this list).
E-mail has been severely degraded by spam, whereas Wikipedia is much better defended against spam, so far.

--Teratornis 17:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kleinhans Music Hall, Buffalo, N.Y.

Who owns the property where Kleinhans Music Hall is located in Buffalo, NY 72.88.82.169 12:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most questions not directly related to editing Wikipedia can be answered at the Reference desk, but I doubt anyone there will be able to answer this. Perhaps you can try city hall? tiZom_(2¢) 13:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google:Kleinhans Music Hall finds this link which says: "Kleinhans Music Hall is the extraordinary gift of clothier Edward L. Kleinhans and his wife Mary Seaton Kleinhans to the city of Buffalo as provided for in their respective wills." Clicking on a few more links gives some of the history of how the Hall came to be, but I didn't find a clear statement about who owns it now. You could probably contact these folks and ask: Kleinhans Community Association. --Teratornis 15:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi i am from ennovations.

I have added a page named Ennovation, But i am unable to know that why this page is protected, and how i should make a page which should not count as a spam. i have given the referrence, but still this page is deleted.

Plz suggest me how to add a page.

Plz mail me.

Thnx

Vikas Yadav

(E-Mail removed for security purposes)

See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. --Teratornis 15:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Vandalism/Censorship

In the article on Ebay, I placed a small addition about feedback abuse. It does not mention any particular person, and I don't think my addition even actually mentions the word "Ebay", nor does it contain any factual or other errors, and I think it is quite fair and up-fropnt, yet "someone" keeps deleting it. (should we make a guess at who?) There is not much sense in the very existence of something like Wikipedia if fair and factual additions can be vandalised; -and destroying something (Deleting) IS vandalism.

WP:OR, WP:V, WP:N, etc. etc. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 13:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

you talk about feedback fraud and say it's a growing trend (what sources says it's a growning trend?). It might well be but you need a 3rd party indepedent source to back that claim, you try and use yourself as a source - that's why it keeps getting removed. --Fredrick day 13:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK.... This may be the first day Using Wikipedia, but does anyone doubt that there are people out there that will abuse just about anything? Nothing is untouchable, and there is always someone out there who doen't like what someone else is doing, or what they have, or who cannot stand honest criticism. Hey, I don't like criticism myself, but do you really think I have to lie about something like this? JUST ASK EBAY if you have any doubt that feedback is abused. - Crimony!!! P.S. I did not say "Feedback fraud" I said "Feedback abuse", for all those anal retentives out there who like to argue about the smallest details...

you don't seem to understand what you are being told. This is an encyclopedia, we are not interested in what people 'know to be true', we are interested in what people can provide good quality third party sources to attest to. If you can find good quality third party sources that say "yes this is a problem" and "this is why this is a problem", then it can be added to the article. Otherwise people will continue to remove it. It is nothing to do with "honest criticism" it is a matter of sources. --Fredrick day 13:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, hey, I understand just fine. Gee, I'd love to make a part-time job out of proving the obvious to those who will not bother to check it out for themselves, and who would doubt the color of the sky without confirmations from a legion of leading scientists, but then again, I just made a useful addition of important information for people, and gee I wish I knew such things long ago; but as with the populous world today, if I said the sky was blue, some "person" would likely have a problem with that too. - Why don't one of you check it out for yourselves and become a 3rd prty verification and do something useful, eh?

Well.. no.. because them we would be the source and that would not be independent third party verification. Anything we write ourselves is not acceptable. In addition, can you please sign your posts as outlined in the message, I left on your talkpage - it helps people know who said what. --Fredrick day 13:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If something is 'obvious', it should be easy to find a source; for instance, the sky is blue [12]. If something doesn't have a source, it isn't verifiable. --ais523 13:52, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Being rude to other editors will get you nowhere. If you do not like the rules, guidelines, and foundations of wikipedia, you are perfectly welcome to leave. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 14:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is probably different from anything you have experienced before, because it is different than anything that ever existed before. A number of things here probably won't make much sense until you have invested hundreds of hours studying the incredibly complex policies, procedures, and guidelines. I didn't like everything I saw on Wikipedia either when I was new here. But then I gradually learned a basic truism of wikis: "We are smarter than me." Almost everything you see on Wikipedia is the result of an ongoing evolutionary process, in which thousands of very smart people are empirically learning what does and doesn't work in the world's largest collaborative volunteer project. Imagine a barn raising, but instead of a two-day project involving mere hundreds of people, all of whom are neighbors in the same culture, it's a multi-year project involving millions of people, most of whom will never have any face-to-face contact and come from wildly diverse backgrounds. The only way to keep the project from spinning into total chaos is to have a very detailed list of rules that cover almost every situation that comes up, and we work out these rules through a collaborative search for consensus. One such rule is the requirement for reliable sources. On Wikipedia, we do not merely write what is true, or useful, or interesting to someone; we write what can be reliably sourced. Agreeing to so limit ourselves goes a long way toward helping millions of contributors avoid endless edit warring over differences of opinion. Of course people are still people, we all like to form strong opinions that go far beyond any conclusive evidence, so we have our disagreements, but in the end the rules trump every individual opinion, and on the rare occasion when that doesn't work, the Great Leader trumps everything.

Editing on Wikipedia is different than most editing you have probably done before. It can be very difficult to get used to the idea that anything we contribute here can and probably will be hacked, slashed, mutated, and/or deleted by others. I suggest viewing it as a game in which one tries to determine what one can write which will survive the Darwinian struggle the longest. If you cannot handle the frustration that often results from editing here (that is, if you cannot cultivate a sufficiently tranquil mindset to deal with seeing your work repeatedly clobbered), you might be happier on a smaller wiki, where one's contributions may be likely to persist longer. See List of wikis and search WikiIndex for wikis in your areas of interest. Most other wikis have very different policies from Wikipedia's, so if you don't like what's here, look around for alternatives.

I should point out that all the other Help desk volunteers have (almost certainly) had many of their contributions clobbered too. It's just part of learning to function here. --Teratornis 20:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

100% free documantry down loadings

Please give me the 100% free links

What? Please expand... tiZom_(2¢) 13:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary#External links might get you started. --Teratornis 21:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

moving property

I own a restaurant and the owner from a fast food establishment keeps moving my bin from its usual spot allocated to me to a place round the corner. I have explained that he shouldnt move the bin and asked him not too, this is causing friction so I would like to show him in writing that its illegal for him to move my property. 80.176.156.71 13:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, you'll need to contact a lawyer, as Wikipedia does not engage in the practice of law. tiZom_(2¢) 13:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

How come obvious vandals, such as the 212.159.98.189 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) only get a 2 day block after numerous warnings and vandals. Its obvious that this IP is not going to change their ways, why not give them a perma ban? All this account is doing is keeping us busy reverting their numerous offences.

Because IPs tend to change hand from user to user. If a long block is placed on an IP, the problematic person who's using it will soon end up on a different (unblocked) IP and vandalise from there, while a harmless good-faith user may end up on that IP and wonder why it's been blocked. --ais523 13:35, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

User Page questions: How do you get table of contents and picture?

I have two questions:

How do you get the Table of Contents Box to appear?
How do I upload a picture, so that I can use it on my user page as as someone like User:Jayjg does?

Dragon Smaug 13:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A table of contents appears automatically once there are enough ==sections== on the page. If you want to control the table of contents manually, use __TOC__ at the point that the table of contents should go or __NOTOC__ if you don't want one at all. As for uploading a picture, see the file upload wizard; for use on a userpage, you'll have to licence the image under a licence that allows reuse and modification by anyone, so make sure that you agree to such copyright terms (there is more information on the upload wizard). See also Help:Image for how to include the image on your userpage once it's been uploaded. --ais523 13:44, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

A table of contents automatically appears if there are four or more headings on the page, and you can write (two underscores either side) or use a template such as {{TOCright}} to force one to appear. Hope that helps, matt br 13:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC) which tells you what you need to know, and displays this nice table of TOC variables:

Template:H:TOC variables

--Teratornis 14:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Impotchomon

Can I have my page back? The page is just about a video-game and that's it! I just want my article back... Oh, yeah. It ain't spam. Still, it may not be a threat, but I'm still asking "can i have my page back?"?

--Cherniy X 13:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted (twice) for being an article about "unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content" (Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A7). Please see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia deletes many articles about video games. However, the gaming community contains many people with system administrator skills who figured out how to start their own wikis. While you are trying to figure out how to edit your article to comply with Wikipedia policies, do yourself a favor and put your article on a wiki specializing in games. Usually the specialized wikis are looking to add content in their topic area, rather than delete several articles per minute like Wikipedia does. See for example the answer to this previous Help desk question:

Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 May 23#Can I use my wikipedia user space to write guides (read more in text)?

You can develop your article on a game-oriented wiki, and once you think you have it in encyclopedic shape, you can try putting it on Wikipedia again and see if it "sticks." See WP:WWMPD#If all else fails, try another wiki. --Teratornis 14:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Line Breaks

I can't find instructions on forcing a line-break anywhere in the editing help. I don't want extra (blank) lines between lines, just each 2-3 word line on a separate line.Tfleming 13:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are various possibilities, depending on what you're using the line breaks for; you can use the <br/> tag to insert a line-break anywhere in a line, form the lines into a list by writing a colon at the start of each of them, or place <poem> at the start and </poem> at the end of the sequence of lines. You can start a new paragraph by leaving a blank line in the source, which leaves a slightly bigger gap on the page. --ais523 14:01, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

But first see Wikipedia:Don't use line breaks to make sure you are using them where you should. Also, if you have trouble finding instructions, open this page in a browser tab: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia, press Ctrl-f in your Web browser, and type your search word or phrase (in this case "line break" does the job). --Teratornis 14:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Teratornis, that guideline's about single line breaks in the source of a page, which normally have no effect on the output (they're hardly ever used nowadays); one ancient browser I occasionally have to use inserts them liberally throughout the page I edit, normally annoying other people on that page (which is why I no longer normally use it to edit, only to read). The guideline isn't about causing single line-breaks to come up in the rendered version of an article. --ais523 14:18, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

My bad. --Teratornis 20:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rotisserie speed

What is the rotaion speed of a standard rotisserie? Like for roasting a chicken ---Also How long does it take for 1 complete rotaion74.92.50.173 14:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should try asking this question at the reference desk, as this is a help desk, for help using Wikipedia. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 14:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

misclassification

A Biography tag has been placed on the Peter Nordin discussion page. The article provides a 'profile' of Peter Nordin rather than a biography. The distinction is made at Biography, which is a page listed by the Biography project page in defining the scope of their project. The biography project page does not seem to provide any review procedure and the tags are not signed. How do I request removal of the tags? Rogerfgay 14:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Biography is our encyclopedic article about biographies. The content is unrelated to our category names and internal procedures where the term "profile" is not used. The article Peter Nordin falls under Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and its talk page should be in Category:Biography articles of living people as it is. The categories in Peter Nordin are also considered biography categories by Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 14:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OKey Dokey then. I don't see it as a problem in the sense of following the general rules related to biographies of living persons (i.e. avoid liable, etc.) - (unless I just haven't read enough) - but noticed that the Biography project rates biographies on a defined scale. A profile, which is what the article contains - would likely get a very poor rating as a biography, because it's only a profile and no attempt has been made to make a biography out of it (in view of rating biographies). I don't want the article to run into the problem of being a poorly rated biography scheduled for demolition one day. Rogerfgay 15:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The project's rating system isn't "official" in the sense you seem to be worried about. A poor rating would merely encourage editors to improve the article, not to delete it outright. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 15:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. No worries then. Rogerfgay 15:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DJREJECTED needs to stop adding links to web sites with copyrights

DJREJECTED needs to stop adding links to articles. Especially links to copy righted sites!!!!!!!!!

I don't see the problem. Please collect a few diffs indicating the problem, and report it at WP:ANI. Shalom ^Hello 15:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Choosing the correct image tag

I am always baffled when it comes to choosing the correct image tag for copyright status. If I was to scan an image from a book depicting an old subject (for instance an image of an engraving, etching, artwork etc) could I use the {{PD-old}} / {{PD-art}} tags (needless to say, ensuring that the image scanned is over 100 years old)? If not, what do you suggest I use? Chris Buttigieg^talk 14:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Media copyright questions is probably a better place to ask this sort of question, as you're more likely to find editors specialised in this specific field there. --ais523 14:54, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Ok, I'll ask the question there. Thanks anyway. Chris Buttigieg^talk 14:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page clean-up

The Talk:Peter_Nordin page includes extensive arguing that is no longer relevant. I would like to see the page cleaned up by deletion of most material on it. Is that possible? Rogerfgay 14:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Article history keeps everything, so if it's real nasty you can just delete the section. If there's substantive value to the discussion, you're better off archiving it. Shalom ^Hello 15:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, I would strongly suggest you leave it be. The "argument" is over content of the article, and no serious civility breaches are apparent. There's no reason to delete its content. Just leave it be and eventually, when the page gets larger, it will be archived. -- Kesh 17:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How does this "ThePPN:" link works?

Hello. How come these links works: ThePPN:Main page, ThePPN:Category:Pop, etc.? Where is Wikipedia configured to point the "ThePPN:" namaspece to the external url http://wiki.theppn.org/ ? --Abu badali ^(talk) 15:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's all in the table 'interwiki' in the database. What you have is a list of prefixes such as ThePPN: and others in one column, and a list of corresponding URLs in the other.
For example: the 'google:' prefix corresponds to the following url: http://www.google.com/search?q=$1, so when you type [[google:wikipedia]], it is interpreted as http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia. the $1 is replaced with the target. This is called an interwiki link. Stwalkerster talk 15:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I suppose these interwiki links aren't user created, right? Or no? What's the process for creating one, and where can I read the policy governing it? I mean, I understand why we want to be able to use interwiki to other Wikimedia's sites (like other languages Wikipedias, Wikitionary, Commons, etc.), and I see the value of being able to use interwikis for some sites like google or imdb. But where is the line drawn? (Specifically, what's the policy that draws the line? Thanks! --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, the only way to edit the interwiki links is direct to the database, which requires database access. Those in the group Developers [13] should be able to help you out in adding or changing interwiki link prefixes, as they are the only ones who can do it. Stwalkerster talk 16:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I guess I found it out: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map. (or more appropriately: meta:Interwiki map ;) ). --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Also see: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Int. If you install your own wiki that runs on the MediaWiki software, you will probably set up your own interwiki links to modify the default m:Interwiki map. It does require access to the MySQL database that MediaWiki uses. However, using some kinds of interwiki links from Wikipedia itself violates the Avoid self-references guideline. You may have to read that guideline a few times to digest the arcane reasoning. --Teratornis 23:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table background

Is there any way of making a table background 'transparent' so that it fits in with Wikipedia's own background, or will I have to manually change it to the same colour? If so, what is the colour? EvilRedEye 16:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, found the answer to my own question! EvilRedEye 16:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone else who wants to know and comes across this question, you put style="background:transparent" after the {| at the start of the table. --ais523 17:17, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Correcting False Accusations

I've been accused of Sock Puppetry Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Rogerfgay by opponents in a debate on content. As a new user, I did invite someone into Wikipedia who was supportive of my position. (Meat Puppetry) As soon as I was informed that this violated rules, I admitted the mistake, and the new Wikipedian dropped out of the discussion to avoid disruption. The accusers however, continued to case on Sockpuppetry Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Rogerfgay, falsely claiming that both users operate from the same IP address. The new Wikipedian has been indefinitely blocked. How can the blocked user have this situation reviewed by independent administrators? Rogerfgay 16:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The block was implemented by Akhilleus, so talking to him would be your starting point. You don't start by asking independent administrators, you start by talking to the blocking Admin. If you can convince him it won't happen again, good. If not, he can provide you with the next steps. -- Kesh 17:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peace Touch

My friend and I invented the "Peace Touch." It is when two people make peace signs with their fingers and then touch their peace signs together. It is a gesture of peace and friendship. We are trying to make this known to the public by adding it to wikipedia and spreading the idea of peace, love and friendship to the world.

Can we please make this page to explain what a peace touch is? It keeps getting deleted!

Much love & peace,

A&A

Angela & Annie— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ange71979 (talk • contribs) 17:16, June 25, 2007 (UTC)

Shortly: no. See WP:MADEUP. -- Kesh 17:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Bailey - Actor/Entertainer..........Ii cant find

Dears Sir/Madam,

Please Help

I tried creating a page on Jim Bailey Actor/Entertainer and its not appearing can you tell me what i did wrong?

This can all be verified on www.jimbaileyweb.com or IMDB

Ive redone it a no. of times...is there a service that can do it for me?

Thanks Steve Campbell

It seems it was deleted in December of '06 due to "Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If controversial, or if there has been a previous deletion discussion that resulted in the article being kept, the article should be listed at Articles for deletion instead." Dismas|^(talk) 19:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted?. --Teratornis 20:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Crashed, Megaresort

My internet crashed two minutes ago, and I was editing the Megaresort Wikpedia page. The page lost half of its content because of my internet. I am terribly sorry about that!!! What can I do to get it back?

I've reverted your edit, and the article is back the way it was before again now (you can make the edit again if you like). All previous versions of a page are recorded (click on the 'history' tab for a list of versions and then on the date of a version to view it); I saved the version immediately before the one you blanked by mistake, to restore the article. See Help:Reverting for more information about restoring an article after vandalism or (in this case) accidental edits that degrade its quality. --ais523 18:30, 25 June 2007 (U T C)

Are commercial sites acceptable refs?

Is using the product page for a company selling something, e.g. a Japanese video game, an acceptable reference if I can't find any other websites that have the same information on this game in English? --BrokenSphere 18:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly it would be on a game-oriented wiki such as StrategyWiki, but for Wikipedia see WP:NOTE and WP:WEB. Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Games#Video games to find a relevant WikiProject which may further interpret Wikipedia policies for the case of specific kinds of video games. --Teratornis 20:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

T That depends. If you're using the company's website as foundation for Critcal/Reception sections, that would be a conflict of interests, but if you're just using it to support the official name over a popular name (like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princesss, and not Zelda: Twilight Princess, or just Twilight Princess), or add details about a character, that's fine. Basically, act like the company is a used car salesman trying to sell you a car. If you think the statement is trying to get you to buy it, ignore it. Oh, and don't forget- you get facts from sources, not sentences. There's nothing more annoying to me than a description ripped straight from the company's pages -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 05:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't even the page for the co. selling the product, which is wholly in Japanese, but a 3rd party distributor so yes they are trying to push it. I would basically cite the page to reference where I got the plot description and features. --BrokenSphere 15:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do you add stuff or a word to wikipedia?

How do you add stuff to wikipedia? 81.109.179.169 19:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the top any article: You can see a button labeled 'edit this page'. Click it. Edit in the big box. For more info, visit the Tutorial. :) Stwalkerster talk 19:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I invented a word and i dont know how to add stuff...

At school, i got bored and invented a word BUT, (there is always a BUT) i do not know how to add stuff to wikipedia. The word I (me and my friend) invented is "SHINDIGRI" but i need help adding it to wikipedia. SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!!!

Wikipedia isn't intended for original research or neologisms. Dismas|^(talk) 19:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The subject of the article needs to be notable, ie not something you made up one day and want to tell the world. Wikipedia is for notable subjects. Besides, words belong in Wikipedia's sister project, Wiktionary. :) -- Stwalkerster talk 19:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be the buzzkill but Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. --Teratornis 20:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Color circle (hue-sat).png

I just made an extremely minor change to Image:Color circle (hue-sat).png (changing the background from white to transparent), do I need to update the licensing information?--VectorPotential^Talk 19:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Making a box floating to the right

I'm trying to make a key for a sports statistics table to float to the right of the table. Can anyone help me with this? --Yarnalgo _{talk to me} 19:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

School age

what is the outcomes of school ages?positive or negative?

Please clarify the question and ask at the reference desk. Shalom ^Hello 21:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Font

Hello.

All of a sudden, after many years of using your service, I find your typeface (font) is unclear and difficult to read. Other Web sites are fine.

Any help?

Please explain what's wrong: is the font too large or too small? Is it blurry or odd-shaped?

There might be a way of adjusting your computer settings. It would make the font on your other websites larger than usual, but it's a trade-off to consider if the font is too small. I don't know if I can give any further advice. Shalom ^Hello 21:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You could use Cascading Style Sheets to change the font. --Leon Byford 22:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CosmoGIRL! entry - name spelled wrong

Hi,

I'm the senior online editor for CosmoGIRL! magazine. I got an email from one of our users regarding a wikipedia entry page and an argument regarding what is the correct spelling of our magazine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CosmoGIRL!

As you can see from the cover on the entry page, there is no way for us to represent our title in print since the "girl" is handwritten. When it is written out in text format the "girl" is in all capital letters, as is evident on our parent company's page about the site.

http://hearst.com/magazines/property/mag_prop_cosmogirl.html

I don't know why that decision was made, but that's how it is written. Not COSMOgirl! as it is appears in the entry. Please let me know if you need more instances of this printing in order to make the change. Thank you.

All taken care of. Thanks for the cite page and info. Jim Dunning | talk 21:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Grand Lodge of All England At York

This stub was deleted today. We did not write the original stub and it was relatively fair and accurate. We added to it for the sake of accuracy.

It was vandalised by two people earlier today using offensive falsehoods. I looked because I had received an Email from a third party warning me that this was taking place. We would wish to make a formal complaint and report them to Wikipedia for acts of blatant vandalism. They should be banned from making any future contributions - a disgrace! What can we do?

Peter Clatworthy Grand Secretary Grand Lodge of All England at York.Grandsecretary 21:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Why was my article deleted? and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Lodge of All England at York for the discussion that led to its deletion. -- Kesh

Attempting to create a new page causes download of index.php

When logged in, any time I attempt to create a new page, it instead just downloads index.php. I am running Windows XP, but I have tried this on three different machines, and 4 different browsers (Firefox, IE, Opera & Safari). It seems to be a persistent issue which I have had for a really long time. I had a hack work around for a while, but I forget what I did now. It seems like this started happening when the policy was changed to require you to login before adding a new page.

So when I go to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_page&action=edit

It just downloads index.php which contains the following:

[Process]
Type=Edit text
Engine=MediaWiki
Script=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php
Server=http://en.wikipedia.org
Path=/w
Special namespace=Special

[File]
Extension=wiki
URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_page&action=edit&internaledit=true

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I think what you are trying to do (without intending to) is actually create a new article called "New page", instead of whatever name you intend (and Wikipedia is set up to block creation of a page called "New page"). Try entering the name you want in the search field and if it doesn't exist it will take you to an option that allows you to edit (create) the page name you want. So don't enter "New page". Jim Dunning | talk 22:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--Jim | talk 21:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try going to Special:Preferences, clicking on 'Editing' and unchecking 'Use external editor by default'. --Leon Byford 22:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That did it. Seems odd to have that setting on by default. Thank you very much! --Jim 22:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The setting is supposed to be off by default. I think the text means that if the setting is on, then an external editor is used by default, but there is a way to avoid that "default" without unchecking the setting. I don't know what the way is but apparently you once knew a way. PrimeHunter 23:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caps lock, filmscripts, etc.

SORRY, I AM VERY BAD I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE KEYBOARD TO SIGN THE ARTICLES, PLEASE HELP ME AND I WILL NEVER STOP WRITING..I HAVE GOT FILMSCRIPTS, IDEAS AND WISH YOU ALL THE BEST MASTERS OLIVIER DORIA D'ANGRI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivier doria (talk • contribs)

We don't sign articles, but we do sign our posts to talk pages. Wikipedia may not be the best place for ideas; see WP:NOR. On Wikipedia we don't make original contributions to articles; instead we only write what we can reliably source. If you are interested in writing about films, see WikiMovies and the other wikis here. Choosing the right wiki for the type of writing you want to do will make your life much more pleasant. Wikipedia is only appropriate for people who want to help write an encyclopedia, and most people don't really want to do that. --Teratornis 23:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) You can sign Talk pages by putting four ~ symbols at the end of your message. Edits to articles themselves do not need signatures, you can just explain your edit in the "Edit summary" line. As for film scripts, sorry, we are not a place to submit your original works. -- Kesh 23:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute tag

How many talk page editors are required to declare a content dispute and place a dispute tag? Milo 23:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One. See User:Bibliomaniac15/How many Wikipedians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

In all seriousness, if you disagree with what the article says, and you explain why you disagree, then it's disputed. We don't have formal rules for such things. Good luck with the dispute resolution process. Shalom ^Hello 23:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Milo is probably referring to the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler where Milo disputes [14] the guideline at Wikipedia:Spoiler and discussion has been long. An editor can place a dispute tag at the start of discussion but if there appears to be consensus without unanimity after some discussion then I think the consensus should be respected. Whether that particular discussion has consensus is not a question to decide at the help desk. PrimeHunter 00:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that my watchlist is full of edit after edit of people warring over it on the talk page, I'd call it disputed. Kuronue 01:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a generic question, and got a satisfactory rules research answer from Shalom. Thank you.

But since PrimeHunter brings up the unasked question of who is disputing, let's not make it sound like it's just me. Here's the record of four dispute tag placing editors, and three removers:

20:44, 12 June 2007 RockMFR reverted by 21:00, 12 June 2007 Tony Sidaway
21:02, 12 June 2007 RockMFR reverted by 21:07, 12 June 2007 David Gerard
21:08, 12 June 2007 RockMFR reverted by 22:00, 12 June 2007 Tony Sidaway
22:04, 12 June 2007 Sethie reverted by 04:21, 13 June 2007 Ned Scott
14:08, 13 June 2007 Milomedes reverted by 19:01, 13 June 2007 Ned Scott
14:06, 25 June 2007 Kierano reverted by 21:57, 25 June 2007 Tony Sidaway

I certainly didn't ask Help desk to decide consensus, but since you mention it, how about being helpful in a catch 22 situation? What dispute process should be used to decided on whether there is a dispute, when one side illogically denies there is a dispute?? As Sethie put it: (22:04 12 June 2007): "the fact that there is a dispute about whether there is a dispute kinda proves there [is] ..... *drum roll******* A DISPUTE!" Milo 01:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most people reading your original question would probably think you referred to an article, and that's apparently what Shalom thought since Shalom wrote "the article". And you didn't say there was a long discussion involving many editors. You then wrote "I got a satisfactory rules research answer from Shalom". The only link in Shalom's answer was a User subpage in Category: Wikipedia humor. I suspect Shalom had no idea what he/she was getting into. Asking a generic question when you are really thinking about an unmentioned specific conflict can easily result in answers that don't fit the situation, so I said what is was about. I only looked briefly at the discussion and I'm not judging it. I'm just saying that I don't think the help desk should judge it, and certainly not without knowing any of the details. Shalom wrote "Good luck with the dispute resolution process". Asking generic help desk questions is not part of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. PrimeHunter 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you didn't answer my complicated follow up question. That provides a hint as to what answer I would have gotten if I had originally asked a non-generic question, so I'm satisfied that I made the correct choice.

"Most people reading your original question would probably think you referred to an article, and that's apparently what Shalom thought since Shalom wrote "the article"." Since there are no dispute tag rules at all, it doesn't make any difference. If it had made any difference, no problem, I would have quickly figured that out and asked a more specific question.

"I don't think the help desk should judge it" Neither do I, and I didn't request that. I wasn't interested in a help desk opinion of the disputed dispute — I was only interested in generic guides or rules on who could place a dispute tag.

"And you didn't say there was a long discussion involving many editors." Correct, and it was properly not said. That is irrelevant to rules research and might have sounded like I wanted Help desk to judge a dispute.

"You then wrote "I got a satisfactory rules research answer from Shalom". The only link in Shalom's answer was a User subpage in Category: Wikipedia humor." The satisfactory answer was there aren't any rules. Logically, there can't be any (serious) links to non-existent rules.

"I suspect Shalom had no idea what he/she was getting into." What did Shalom get into? Shalom said "We don't have formal rules for such things." Surely you aren't claiming that answer would be somehow changed by the details of the situation? I'd guess you're concerned that Shalom might have gotten into something, but didn't.

"Asking a generic question when you are really thinking about an unmentioned specific conflict can easily result in answers that don't fit the situation, so I said what is was about." Ok, that might have happened, but it didn't. Since it didn't happen, there was no reason for you to have commented further.

"Shalom wrote "Good luck with the dispute resolution process". Asking generic help desk questions is not part of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution." {scratches head} Um, that's literally true only because the ability to ask generic help desk questions is inferred everywhere.

In summary, I asked a simple question, got a simple and correct answer, and that answer fits all situations. You seem to be complaining, this, that, or some other complication might have happened... but didn't. Perhaps a help desk vacation would improve your outlook. Milo 09:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first dispute tag was placed weeks ago and there had already been a long discussion. The dispute tag was removed by an ~~administrator~~ editor who claimed "There is no significant opposition to the guideline" which some editors disagreed with (and I don't want to judge that disagreement). Shalom did not know any of this, but you still used Shalom's answer as argument for your side in the conflict [15] which is what I mean by Shalom not knowing what he/she was getting into. Your linked edit was made after my comment (which was based on actually knowing the conflict) but you ignored it and said "The Help Desk told me ..." about Shalom's more convenient generic answer. I'm trying to assume good faith but I wonder whether you deliberately asked a very generic question with no reference to the actual conflict in order to improve the chance of getting an answer you could use in that conflict. I have seen that sort of thing before. Maybe we should have a guideline that says something like "If an editor in an ongoing conflict asks somebody else for an opinion without saying where the conflict is (so the person can see what is going on), then the answer should not be used as argument in the conflict". Imagine this hypothetical situation (which I certainly don't claim resembles your situation): A single editor thinks he should be allowed to add his private unpublished alleged knowledge to articles, and that editor wants to forever keep a dispute tag on Wikipedia:Verifiability "because I dispute it". I don't think that should be allowed, and I suspect you and Shalom agree (but we don't have time to consider and describe all hypothetical scenarios at the help desk). So there exist cases where a dispute tag should not be allowed to stay even if somebody wants it. Wikipidea does not accept everything just because there is no specific rule against it. Whether or not it's fair to keep placing a dispute tag in your situation is something I think it's only reasonable to evaluate after reviewing the history and discussion. PrimeHunter 12:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It appears it wasn't an admin. Sorry about that. PrimeHunter 14:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

No images on Wikipedia?

Hello, I recently installed Vista, everything was going fine for a few days and suddently, out of the blue, IE can not load any page on Wikipedia. So i shut down IE, reload and scince then no images will appear on Wiki. Any Suggestions? KoalaMeatPie 00:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not a clue. It's worth asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing to see if anyone knows about bugs in Vista. Shalom ^Hello 04:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps images are disabled in IE? (Assuming you're using IE 7 because you said that you installed Vista:) Go to Tools → Internet Options. Then click on the "Advanced" tab. About half way down or so should be a "Show pictures" checkbox. Make sure that it is checked, and press OK twice. If this doesn't solve the problem, try clearing your cache (Ctrl-F5 in IE). If that still doesn't help, feel free to ask again (possibly with more information) here or on my talk page. —METS501 (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Create a page

How do i create a page

Read WP:FIRST. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 02:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

how to create a page

Type the name of the page you wish to create into the search box in the sidebar at the left of your screen. If it is to be in the article namespace, it doesn't need a prefix. But if it is in another namespace, like the user namespace, it needs to be preceded by the name of the namespace followed by a colon. For example to create a page called "How to create a page" in the Wikipedia namespace, type (without the quotes) "Wikipedia:How to create a page".

If the page doesn't already exist, Wikipedia will give you the option of creating the page. Read the screen carefully, and follow the directions.

Another way to create a page is to click on a red link. For example, if your name is in red at the top of your screen, click on it, and start editing in the edit box provided. (You may have to scroll down a little to see the edit box).

I hope this helps, and if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask away.

The Transhumanist 02:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

HELP!

Gruntilda

I need help with this page. And no I don't want it deleted. Angry Sun 01:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As such? KoalaMeatPie 01:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That annoying Character box is all I really need fixed now... Angry Sun 01:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm. You did it again. Eh, you'll learn. - History tab, Select Version, "Undo" if you mess up to badly. KoalaMeatPie 01:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point of the Assessment Drive?

Why do articles need to be assessed?

Wouldn't the effort be better spent directly upon improving the articles rather than assessing them?

Just curious.

The Transhumanist 02:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Personally, I think the best answer to that question would be a matter of expanding. It helps sort articles in terms of the amount of work that still need to be done on them. Just my opinion. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 02:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment is valuable as an outside party can take a look at an article and identify problematic parts, which helps those who are involved in the article clean it up. Everyone gets a little too close to their work sometimes, so it helps to have an extra set of eyes point out the obvious flaws we may overlook. -- Kesh 03:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It also gives me a good thing to look at when I go to to work out what article to work on next. I hate looking at articles which are better than what I can improve when I am trying to find something to work on (not that that happens very often).Ga rr ie 05:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

People are more likely to work on things if they have a specific rating of how much they've done and how much is left to do in a category; assessment helps that, I think. Plus it helps decide which articles are ready for a CD selection or the like. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 12:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography Listing

I was wondering if you could tell me how to make a filmography on an actor's article? Thank you

InsanityOnline 04:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer: learn from how others have done it. Try Matt Damon, a well-known American actor. There's an infobox on the right and a Wikitable in the article text. Either presentation is effective. Use the WP:SANDBOX to tinker with these templates until you can make them do what you want. Shalom ^Hello 06:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Click "Edit this page", then copy the source code onto the sandbox, and edit the sandbox. Shalom ^Hello 06:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Passwords

How do I find my passwod if I cannot remember it?

If you listed your email address when you created your account, click "E-mail new password" on the login screen, then check your email.

If you did not list your email address, there is no way to recover your password. You will need to start over from a new account (but you can copy your old userpage etc.). Shalom ^Hello 06:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

Following this edit to one of my user sub-pages, I thought I should put {{olddraft}} on it. That template allows me to specify the "target article" for the draft, but not the target talk page. It automatically pointed to Talk:GarrieIrons/Westfields in Australia/talk, which I turned into a redirect to my own talk page. Does all this sound about right - that is, is the redirect from the Talk namespace to my own user talk namespace break any rules?

If you think it does, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks, Ga rr ie 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, that's a little weird, but don't worry about it. If a similar situation were happening in the main article space, I would bother to retarget the double redirect, but since it's in your userspace, double redirects or misplaced redirects are not harmful. Shalom ^Hello 06:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

register

I want to register my name, my question is on how to creat so that i may belong to the wikipedia organization? 58.69.31.121 07:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)×[reply]

Click here and go to town. --Haemo 07:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want to create a new article...

I want to create a new article but I dont how to use php .. please guide me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.227.106.122 (talk • contribs).

Replied on user's talk page. +spebi ~ 07:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Embeded Images

How do you put an image on an article? user talk: Naj da man

Replied on user's talk page. +spebi ~ 08:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

vandalism by ip 82.17.83.54

this guy has vandalised 2/3 pages so far. i've removed the vandalism. i've no idea how to report him. can someone do it, or show me how? thanks Geeness 10:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AIV —Dark•Shikari^[T] 12:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sociology

what are the roles of boys and girls in a society?

The help desk is for questions about wikipedia. You want the reference desk, but they won't help you with your homework either -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 12:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, you could ofcourse also read the article about Gender role or Sex differences. - Face 13:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do I make a page in a different language while linking it to an English page?

(Question moved from Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 June 23#How do I make a page in a different language while linking it to an English page?--VectorPotential^Talk 11:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

The page Law of the United States is only in 5 other languages, and I wanted to make one in Slovak. How do I create the page and make it show up under the same title but in the Slovak section? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! Metaalla 11:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just go to the Slovak Wikipedia, type the Slovak translation of the title "Law of the United States" into the search box on the left, click go, and then click edit - then just start writing! When you're done, you can easily add interwiki links to versions of the same article in other languages. Just go to the bottom of any existing article on the topic in another language (for example the English version), click edit, add an interwiki link to your new Slovak version, and copy and paste the other interwiki links into your new Slovak article. --Kwekubo 11:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to get automatic e-mail on subjects or topics of interest?

George Moore, American Radio presenter

I am quite disturbed, no, no I am PISSED, that someone took it upon themselves to delete the information on American radio 'presenter' George Moore. It did not take a LOT of digging to meticulously enter that information on Mr. Moore, because I am HE!

Would someone explain to me the correct way of inputting, and KEEPING this information available to Wiki-pedia readers. Yes, I DID check the 'relevence' percentage of my information, and it was 17 % . Now, that isn't exactly OVERWHELMING to anyone, but at least that many people MIGHT want to know something about me. So, could that deleted info be re-entered by the mensa who originally deleted, or....? do I have to re-enter it on the condition that it is LEFT THE HELL ALONE??

75.42.98.26 13:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Moore -American Radio presenter

The article was deleted at the following date and time with the following reason:

"23:34, 8 May 2007 Stephen (Talk | contribs) deleted "George Moore (American Radio Presenter)" (Expired prod, concern was: NN, no refs)"

I suggest you read over Wikipedia's notability guidelines as well as the guidelines for conflicts of interest and autobiographies. Dismas|^(talk) 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, almost forgot, WP:CIVIL may be of use as well. Dismas|^(talk)

Edit counter

Just wondering, is there a template in which you can put your username so that it automaticaly generates the total number of edits you have made? Or is there a userbox which does this? E.g. "This user has made 2473 edits". - Face 13:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We discourage excessive interest in edit counts because of editcountitis and because the query to get the count is a strain on the database. RJFJR 13:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And yet at the same time, edit count is the only convenient statistic we have for estimating an editor's experience level, which correlates roughly with an editor's understanding of Wikipedia policies and so on. So while we have reasons to deplore our excessive emphasis on edit count, we go right along excessively emphasizing it. For more about edit count see: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Edi. --Teratornis 14:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the explanations/links! - Face 16:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Company entry

I was told to create an entry for our company, so people looking for information we offer can find it on Wikipedia, but I don't see a link to do so. I've looked thru the FAQs, but don't see anything there either. Do I just create a page with the information? Our site is free with a lot of great info., so I want those loooking to be able to find it. Thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by JennC72 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a message board or classified ad system. If your company is notable, someone would have created an encyclopedia article about it. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 14:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CD

IS IT AVAILEBLE SOME TRAINING CD FOR SABRE (UPDATED LATLEY)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.234.210 (talk • contribs)

First, do not type in all caps. It means you are screaming at everyone. Second, this is a reference desk for Wikipedia, not Sabre. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 16:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New messages error

Help! I can't get rid of the "You have new messages (last change)." tag! I've clicked both links and it's still there... This isn't a caching problem, cos it's on every new page - 82.16.7.63 16:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It probably is a caching problem, but with Wikipedia itself rather than with you. See bugzilla:9213: it's a known problem, but it's not entirely clear what's causing it. There's also Category:Wikipedians who are terribly frustrated about Bug ID 9213; you're not the only person who's annoyed about this. (It's likely to go away eventually of its own accord; I'm not sure what causes it to do this either.) --ais523 16:58, 26 June 2007 (U T C)

i need to know terminologies

study of birds study of coins study of insects study of solar system study of heart study of plants study of weather study of rays/rotation study of animals study of heredity

Ornithology, numismatics, entomology, wait...do your own homework. Or try the Reference desk. This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. tiZom_(2¢) 16:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try using Google; the answer is almost always in the first few hits, e.g. "study of birds". Let us know what you find. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Try using Google; the answer is almost always in the first few hits, e.g. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22study+of+birds%22&btnG=Search "study of birds"].  Let us know what you find. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 16:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
+== Categories ==
+On two pages (American University Museum and Jack Rasmussen) they are not being listed in the category page for which they have been designated. How do I fix that?
+[[User:Ks9887a|Ks9887a]] 17:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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How do I make a page in a different language while linking it to an English page?

Duplicate images with different licenses?

Prevent user from editing,like a bot?

The Matrix Revolutions

Long introduction

christopher elliott

Kiandra snow club - linked to the modern history of skiing

Orphanbot deleting my images

Requesting an article - Henry Manning

to open a company in mauritius

Slideshow WIkipedia?

help

Tamil words-root words and meanings

9/11 page

trying to put "hangon" onto a page nominated for speedy deletion

Peak hours

I have a question about whether a certain addition is permissible and my rights

how do i.............

How to delete images?

QUESTION..

Appopriate Cleanup template?

Untitled

Help with article format

Talk page messages

Transfering E-Mail accounts

Question on talk pages

How do you make a wiki on something? helpme

Autistic spectrum

find chris griswold

body text is not available to me to edit

em help! Template broken

history yugoslavia

Tools to help visually-imparied use Wikipedia

Can't display foreign characters properly.

June 24

Good Article Icon

Deleting a Line

Overly technical information

WikiProject Pokemon

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Saving

How to add copyrights for pictures

Help Desk on Navigation

Rotate images

Bot?

Prounciation

Page history

sound card

any engineering subject

Changing the name of an article

delete image that claims to be "fair use"

Crossings Out

Articles for Creation

<noinclude></noinclude> tags

Colors on my watchlist

question about citing same source multiple times

Help me please!

More of a comment than a question

Resolution reduction so image complies with Wikipedia's non-free content policy

Page Creation

Software suggestion

Link colours

Help finding categories

June 25

Barnstars

Problem uploading "The Rings of Reality", R. Stewart Hall, 2000. I am Everett Allie

Broken bulleted list

Deleted bio of Joey Jett

Picture upload

B-17

An old proposed deletion for Gordon B. Hinckley Alumni and Visitors Center

Is anyone creating short-cuts to check if one's contributions have been edited?

John Kim

Edit facts

Change of Authorship?

articles in different languages

periodic table of elements(reduced down to one page)

Xavier Rudd interview added twice