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Herbie Hewett

Thanks for your useful additions to this article; they're adding a lot of background information I didn't have access to! I've gone through a few of your additions making a few MoS fixes, but otherwise it all looks great, hopefully you'll be able to dig up plenty more on the cricketers of this era! Harrias ^talk 19:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Planning to do Ted Tyler soon. I seem to have plenty of info on him. Nigej 19:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info regarding Hewett's probable lack of a wife. Incidentally, do you have more details on the references you've listed for the information you've added to his article, issue/volume numbers, authors, dates: that sort of stuff? I think the article is pretty much of a featured article status, but I suspect the reviewers there will be keen on that sort of information. Harrias ^talk 13:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Great images

Thanks for the great image you added to Malcolm Jardine, and also noticed a good one of George John a few weeks ago. Really good. You must have some incredible books. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I was scanning a photo of Vernon Hill and came across the Malcolm Jardine one nearby; both following their centuries in the university match. Jardine gets the whole of the front page of Cricket for 7 Jul 1892. Those were the days. Most of the photos I can find of early WI cricketers are terrible but beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Nigej 19:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't suppose you have any photos of George Hirst or Wilfred Rhodes? I've lots, but it's impossible to find when they were first published and obviously anything pre-1923 is a no-no! Similarly any photos of Yorkshire cricketers from pre-1923 would be much appreciated. --Sarastro1 (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

County Cricket Council

Interesting article but can you please bear in mind that categories are necessary and also that we have an established structure whereby articles are allocated to appropriate sub-categories and not just placed in Category:Cricket or another high-level category. Categories are used by the readers who need them as a navigation tool and they will find your article more easily if you have categorised it in compliance with the WP:CRIC structure. Also, per WP:MOS, we don't use a definite or indefinite article to begin a title unless its inclusion is universally recognised (e.g., The Oval or a book/song title). ----Jack | ^{talk page} 08:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I take the point but can't say I found the WP:CRIC page at all enlightening as to which categories to use. I'll take your word about the definite article. Nigej 10:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hewett/Palairet photo

Yeah, I spent quite a while with some photo editing software trying to improve the image that I had; it started off in much the same format as the one you've uploaded. Nice work with all the images and work on Golden Age articles. Harrias ^talk 14:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Herbie Hewett at Featured Article

Nigej,

I have listed Herbie Hewett at featured article, and one of the things that has come up are your "Cricket: A Weekly Record of the Game" sources (plus a few others) lacking information, such as issue number. Unfortunately, without this, it looks like I might have to remove a lot of the useful and interesting information that you have added. Can you take a look Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Herbie Hewett/archive1 and see if you can help at all. Thanks, Harrias ^talk 22:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The quote that reads "made in less than two hours, and was a splendid display of free and taking cricket without a fault" does not quite make sense. Could you double-check it? Cheers! --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It does say "free and taking" but perhaps it's worth removing just because of the obscure terminology. Nigej 09:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Couple more queries! This featured article stuff is pretty thorough! Can you find any more details on the images you uploaded, per the questions at [[1]]. Specifically: File:OxfordUniversityCricketXI1886.jpg and File:Somerset1892 RedLillywhite1893.jpg. Thanks, Harrias ^talk 21:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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Walter Tate

Hi Nigej. I came across a legal notice for a "William Walter Giffard Tate" in the Sydney Morning Herald of 18 April 1947, indicating that he died on 29 December 1946. There are also numerous other references in www.trove.com, the Australian newspaper archive, to a Mr W. W. Giffard Tate in Adelaide social circles between 1892 and 1928. I wondered if you, as someone with a deep knowledge of Somerset cricketers of the past, thought this might be the long-undead Walter Tate, who played a single match for Somerset in 1882, but who is still remarkably alive at the age of 148 on cricket websites? I sent a note to Pete Griffiths at Cricketarchive as well, in case he has access to other records. Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Dickens

Hi Nigej, addressing your concerns. Misty Morn has just came up with a brilliant idea.... subarticle, Dickens social opinions and influence, that way, the biography stays encyclopedic, and the sub article covers the issue in depth. Harrison 1979 (talk) 22:27, 23 February (UTC)

March 2012

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West Indies cricket

I'm looking at trying to further improve some of the early West Indies articles. I think most of the decent stuff we already have was done by you, and I was wondering if you know of any good sources out there. I have a pretty good "Record of West Indian Test Cricketers" for the Test players, Manley's history and CLR James. Is there anything else on any of the prominent non-Test players. Also, I don't suppose you have anything on George Dewhurst or Joe Small? Thanks. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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1 Hole v. 1 Up

Thanks for the note. I apologize for the "idiot" comment. I thought someone was just playing a game. As far as the content goes: I see your link...but former Wikipedia articles should not be considered a source for continuing to list it like that. The official Ryder Cup scoring page has it listed as "Wins 1 Up."

I will concede that the non American usage of "1 Hole" may be common...but this is the US version of Wikipedia, and the appropriate terminology should be reflected based on what is used in the US. If this were the UK Wiki, then you'd be correct. But in the US we say "1 Up"

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/scoring — Preceding unsigned comment added by OFoley (talk • contribs) 21:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

We can go back and forth about this all day...but the reality is that the OFFICIAL RYDER CUP scoreboard shows the score as "1 Up." So why do you want to change it? I will go back and change the other Wiki pages if that makes you feel better...but just because someone else updated Wikis wrong does not mean that makes it right...one person lists it like that, and the mistake gets perpetuated every year. I changed a decades worth of pages, and you obviously went and changed them back. If your argument is that it should say "1 Hole" because the other pages list it like that, then why once they were changed did you still change it? I don't get why you're being so stubborn here.

Again, if the RYDER CUP website lists the score as "1 Up" that's what the score is. As you said, you should use the custom and language appropriate to the origin of the page...and in this case that means you should use "1 Up" — Preceding unsigned comment added by OFoley (talk • contribs) 17:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Armour

Here's an odd one. I wondered why Tommy never competed in the Ryder Cup so I did a little digging. Anyway the reason was pretty interesting as according to www.ancestry he was still British/Scottish until he got his US papers way down the line in November 42. ALL the usual sources list him as American but his actual naturalization papers trump all the other evidence. We should really correct this, it's more clear-cut than Fred Robson last week, but I get the feeling that any change made will be reverted instantly. What do you think? Topcardi (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• The rules for playing in the Ryder Cup seem to be difficult to discover. Not sure why. The original "Deed of Trust" made no mention of qualification rules but the US made there own rule about qualification and the revision in 1929 formally restricted players to those born in the country (and resident there). Sometime between then and now it seem to have changed to age 18 (http://golf.about.com/b/2012/08/17/pettersson-a-player-without-a-ryder-cup-country.htm says "As for Team USA, naturalized American citizens are eligible to play Ryder Cup for the United States - but only if they acquired citizenship before turning 18.". Either way Armour wouldn't have qualified.
• I suppose the second issue is what the flag actually means. Does it mean nationality? What about dual nationals? Justin Rose was born in South Africa but has an England flag (presumably he's British, is he South African too?). Is Heather Watson British? not sure, but she often gets a British flag. Same for Mark Cavendish. There's been discussion about removing all the flags (eg [[2]]) but I find then quite useful personally . After all, except in a few competitions (eg Ryder Cup) players are not representing a country, they're just playing as individuals. So in Armour's case does an US flag mean he's an American citizen or living in America or regarded as an American. Not 100% clear.
• Anyway, to answer the question, the best approach seems to me to make changes to the Tommy Armour page stressing the details of his nationality, putting in appropriate references. Later, if you feel strongly, you could try changing the flags in eg U.S. Open (golf), This has knock on effects. of course, eg List of U.S. Open (golf) champions#Champions by nationality. Nigej 08:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

File:PlayfairCricketAnnual1963FrontCover.jpg

Hi , I'm Sfan00_IMG , I note you uploaded this image, would you mind expanding the rationale so it address ALL 10 points of WP:NFCC ?

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Difficulty in Ryder Cup editing

Hello, Nigej -- First off, let me say congratulations from this American to you for Europe winning the Ryder Cup, another nice display of putting, simply too much for the USA side.

The main reason I'm sending this message is because I just wanted to mention, this morning I had so many edit conflicts with IP users coming on to the 2014 Ryder Cup article, I just gave up after a while; just as I would be about to correct something, there would be another edit conflict and it would be another mistake that needed to be corrected, and then when I would go in to correct it, it resulted in another edit conflict. So, the only thing to do was just give up and wait until it was all over. So, that's what I did.

I really didn't see it coming, with all those IP editors coming in that hadn't been on there previously.
Anyway, cheers and enjoy the victory. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It's often better to lie low in the heat of the event and then correct things later when the dust has died down. Hopefully some of IP editors may get into the habit of editing and join us - assuming they are ready to make constructive edits. Bit of mystery to me why Europe has done so well recently. I'm sure Tom Watson will get blamed but the media are always looking for simplistic reasons and blaming the captain seems to be the starting point. Nigej (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I see you found as I too found that another IP user taking the flags away on the Ryder Cup articles. We may not know their motivation for doing that, but as you can see, they are repeatedly doing it. Hopefully they will stop after a while. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Very annoying. Perhaps the same user who's tried removing flagicons before. I don't really understand the problem. Actually I've let the removal of flagicons from the vice-captains list go, but I am keen on retaining them for the teams. I think they're in all 2-team competition pages: Ryder Cup (40), Presidents Cup (10), Seve Trophy (8), Royal Trophy (7), EurAsia Cup (1), Solheim Cup (13), Lexus Cup (4), Walker Cup (10) so just removing them from 3 Ryder Cup pages seems to me to be a pointless exercise. Look at 2014 Wimbledon Championships and you'll see that they're so all-pervasive in the sports pages that removing them is not practical. Of course there are some users who are overly keen on flagicons and they need removing too when inappropriate. Not every reference to a country need a flag next to it. Nigej (talk) 14:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Tom Morris, etc.

"Did Tom Morris, Jr. 'represent' Scotland? I'm not sure he would qualify as Scottish under any of the criteria you list."

Nigej, all golfers can be said to "represent" their country in some form or fashion. Yes, I know it fits imperfectly in some cases, especially for some of the old-timers like Morris. And it's even more interesting because of the UK tradition whereby golfers and some other sportsmen represent their constituent nation (i.e., England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland), rather than Britain as a whole. But, be careful: the anti-flag icon crusaders are looking for any excuse or inconsistency to attack all flag icon use. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

My worry is that by being prescriptive we open ourselves to arguments even more. Simply saying that we have a Scottish flag for Russell Knox because the pgatour does, seems to me to be simpler. Of course it's the same problem whether we us a Scottish flagicon or just say Scottish. The issue of whether we use flagicon or simply a name is a separate one. I'm keen that we agree that we want flagicons (or indeed that we don't) and that we put this somewhere in WP:GOLF so that we can refer to it in the future. This was also the reason I wrote the stuff about where flagicons should be in articles like 2014 Ryder Cup. Nigej (talk) 16:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Nigej, you absolutely should make the PGA Tour-specific argument. All of the other WP:Golf regulars should, too. I edit across a dozen or more sports, about half of which are international and character and use flag icons for the bio infoboxes accordingly, and I view the bigger picture. I think the present threat to WP:Golf has passed (Tewapack handled it well by starting the discussion at the template talk page), but this will not be the strongest anti-flag attack nor the last we see. The real issues in this dust-up are (1) flag icons really are overused in certain circumstances (just look at some of the tournament results tables in golf, tennis, etc.), and (b) the anti-flag editors are against them on principle because they believe such overtly "nationalistic" representations should have no place on Wikipedia. At some point the affected sports projects are going to have to address this issue directly at MOS. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I do actually have some sympathy with "nationalistic" argument. The worst "offender" (if I can use such) is the Olympic Games where the nationalistic aspects seems to pervade the whole event, when there ought to be more focus on the competitors as competitors. Golf is relatively good in this area. Players are seen as individuals and their "nationality" is recorded as a point of interest rather than for any nationalistic reason. Thankfully we don't generally go in for national anthems and all that rubbish. Yes we do not curtail the excesses of some editors who want to add a flag to any reference to a country. As I said above the issue of whether flagicons should be used is different from the issue of whether countries should mentioned. Should we have sections like 2014 Open Championship#Nationalities in the field, 2014 WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship#Breakdown by country, List of European Ryder Cup golfers#European country records? Personally I find them interesting and I don't feel they add to the nationalistic element. Nigej (talk) 07:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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TopGolf

I didn't delete it, I just tagged it for speedy deletion...which any user can do, not just administrators. :) Trivialist (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Footgolf

"Not golf"? It seems more about golf than football, being a game that's been adopted by (and is apparently becoming an important revenue stream for) existing courses, and it'd be good to have golf experts putting that into clearer context if possible. Your call, though, if you're part of the WikiProject. --McGeddon (talk) 15:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes. A close thing. See e.g. Disc golf. Also golf video games. Perhaps I'll change my mind and put it in Category:Forms of golf. Nigej (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Queen Mary University of London Golf Club.png

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Fixing typos in templates

Please be careful when you fix "typos" in templates, such as your edit to Template:Infobox sports season to change "color text" to "color_text". Hundreds if not thousands of existing transclusions of the template used "color text". Your change, though well intentioned, instantly broke previously working instances. All the text turned black, and was usually difficult to read, as a result. I fixed it to allow both "color_text" as well as the previous "color text". Please be careful in the future. We need to either make sure the old format still works, or go and change all instances to match the new format. The former is usually easier. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

James Morris

That was a superb group of edits you made on James Morris. I had no idea he was the son of Old Tom. Young Tom seemed to steal all the headlines! I thought it was neat that he was named after Fairlie. Old Tom must have been very fond of Mr. Fairlie.

Many thanks,

--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

There's much more to be said about Fairlie. Brought Tom to Prestwick in 1851 I believe. Will try to add more when I get the time. Anyway, thanks for all the work recently. I've spent a lot of time creating the 1860-1914 Open pages but have done very little on the biographies. Nigej (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I plan to write at least a basic article for all of the top-10 Open Championship finishers. Many of them still lack an article. I hate putting up just a framework for what will hopefully be a good article later but at least it is a place to start. I think once the article is there at least it can be seen by other editors. If they see it, hopefully they will add good edits as you have. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Errie Ball

Are you sure that is rubbish? I can show you 10 or more reliable citations if you like. What proof do you have that he is unrelated to John Ball (golfer)? You sure are "touchy" about this Errie Ball article! --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 12:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

See what I wrote here: Talk:Tom Ball. See also eg http://www.theopen.com/Heritage/PreviousOpens#!/1908/Prestwick about Tom Ball/John Ball relationship. Now there's no doubt that Tom and Frank were Errie's uncle. Errie's paternal grandfather was William Ball, see "Death of William Ball". The Times. 24 February 1926. p. 6.. Makes no reference to John Ball being his brother. Perhaps the great-uncle relationship is not through the Ball name but that seems unlikely. I'd be interested in any older references to John Ball being related to the other Hoylake Balls. Nigej (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Geo A. Low

Thanks for that data about "Anderson" being the middle name. I just hate it when books have bad information. I changed Jr. back to "Anderson" as well.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, irritating when mistakes get perpetuated. As to Jr. I can't find any middle name eg: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBBF-7P6 http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMzoiOTAxMTk4OTQ0NjI4NCI7/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7 (may need registration) Nigej (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Generally speaking, juniors have the identical name as their father including middle initials. If that isn't the case, then he probably isn't a true junior. I have seen several sources saying he was a "junior" so I think we can assume for now that his middle name was "Anderson", too. And, yes, perpetuated errors are a big problem--not to mention irritating--for those of us seeking the facts.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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Bertie Snowball

I just created a new article on Bertie Snowball. Great last name! If you can dig up any more goodies about Snowball to add to the article I would certainly appreciate it. So far I have him linked to the Irish PGA Championship and your article on the Leeds Cup. --Wapiti (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Great. I was thinking of doing one myself. There's loads about him. I was even thinking a "Did you know" for him. Nigej (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

His headstone says "B. Snowball" so you are probably right. I would guess he was "Bert" and was called "Bertie" by those who knew him. --Wapiti (talk) 06:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you weren't kidding when you said you had more info on Snowball. He did a lot in his 28 years of life. I have a feeling he would have won a big tourney had he lived longer, maybe even the Open.--Wapiti (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I think perhaps that his best golfing days were behind him. He didn't seem to play competitively after his return from Ireland. http://cymru1914.org/en/view/newspaper/4242988/8 mentions ill health, so may be something there. Need to look through his performances when at Carnoustie 1914 to see his standard then. Nice that he beat Harry Vardon though, quite an achievement.

"GOLFER KILLED IN ACTION. News has been received of the death at the front of Bertie Snowball, the well-known golfer, for about three years the professional of the Criccieth Golf Club. Snowball underwent early training at Bradford, under W. C. Gaudin, professional to tihe Bradford Golf Club. Afterwards he was engaged with the Hawksworth Golf Club, and 13 years ago became assistant professional to W. C. Gaudin, at Scarborough. Three years later he accepted an appointment as private golf tutor to the Earl of Londesborough at Blankney, Lincolnshire, and was next professional to the Royal Port Rush and Port Warwick Golf Clubs. Ireland, but seven years ago, on account of ill-health, he returned to Scarborough, and was afterwards associated with the laying out of the Northcliff Links. Two years ago he went to Scotland as professional to the Carnorstie Club, and on the outbreak of the war he and other golfers joined the Black Watch, and went over to France. He was 29 years of age. Snowball's best performance was some years ago, when he beat Harry Vardon by 4 up and 3 to play on the Londesborough Park Links. His father, Mr James Snowball, is green keeper at the Deepdale Links, Scarborough, and he has two brothers serving in the Army. Local sympathy is felt for Mrs Snowball and her three orphan children, who now reside at Scarborough.

" A few mistakes but a reasonable summary. Nigej (talk) 14:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

How does Andrew Simpson fit into the story? He just pops in toward the end. Was he the son of Bob Simpson the clubmaker? --Wapiti (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Good question that I don't know the answer to. Appears on Carnoustie war memorial. Presumably related somehow. Nigej (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Found this: "Sergeant Andrew Simpson, King's Own Scottish Borderers, Kinloch Street, Carnoustie, joined the army in 1914. He was one of Carnoustie's strongest golfers. He had been in the South African Police and fought in Mashonaland and during the South African war. Sergeant Simpson was killed at the battle of Loos on the 25th of September 1916." Nigej (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I also submitted a "Did you know" fact about Bertie Snowball and submitted it for consideration as a DYK for the main page.--Wapiti (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

In England I think Nigej (talk) 09:38, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Bertie Snowball

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Did you know that 17-year-old golfer Bertie Snowball, just a kid at the time, defeated the legendary British professional Harry Vardon in a match in Ireland in 1905?

Created by Nigej (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC). Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright problems. I have added Michael W. Parker to the credits and I do not think a QPQ review is required. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Charles Mayo

Was it Chipstead, Kent or Chipstead, Surrey? We need to disambiguate. I don't know the answer but I bet you do. Thanks! --Wapiti (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I fixed it ... it is Chipstead, Surrey. --Wapiti (talk) 14:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I saw all the ship records where he traveled back and forth from the US to England! He made about 4 trips in a 3-year span. He must have had quite a lot of money to make so many trips. --Wapiti (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Oxhey Golf Club

I started up this article on Oxhey Golf Club. If you have more information to add to it, please do. It seems like it started out as an 18-hole course but now may be just a 9-hole course. Thanks. --Wapiti (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Good idea. also http://www.golfsmissinglinks.co.uk/index.php/england/central-east/hertfordshire/569-herts-oxhey-golf-club-herts Nigej (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I went to that website and found a great old photo of Ray's clubmaking advertisement. I posted the picture on the Ted Ray article. May use it on the Oxhey article as well once I find a suitable spot for it. Thanks for sharing the link; I will read it again and see if I can glean more material for the Oxhey Golf Club article. --Wapiti (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Phil Gaudin

Someone recently changed the Jersey flag (Jersey) on Phil Gaudin to a UK flag. Is that correct? --Wapiti (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Jersey not part of UK. Nigej (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Your expertise is appreciated. --Wapiti (talk) 10:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Fitz Boothby

George James Fitz-Robert 'Fitz' Boothby

He certainly had enough names! Maybe that is due to his royal connections. --Wapiti (talk) 09:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Probably quite a lot about him and the family around. Be interesting to know a bit about his life. Wife was called Mary and he had a son Eric. Nigej (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, hopefully some more facts can be dug up. I am curious how he died, too. In those days people died from simple infections since there were no antibiotics. And of course tuberculosis was a big menace to just about everyone. Thanks for your nice additions to the article. Well done or "bloody good job" as they might say there in the UK. --Wapiti (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

James Robb

This is just about the funniest passage I have read in an article in a long time! It is from your article on James Robb. I did a little work on the article myself and hopefully improved it some. Here is the funny stuff that you added:

The Times reported that "The 6th is a very long story. Dead against a strong wind Mr. Lingen drove out of bounds, dropped another onto a bad lie on the tee, got a poor third, topped his fourth, and sliced his fifth into a bunker. On the other hand Mr. Robb drove against the fence, played his second backwards, reached some rushes with his third, played his fourth to square leg, almost into a ditch, his fifth into the garden, and his sixth into the rushes near the green. Eventually both were dead in 7. They both missed their putts and halved in 9." The Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser reported that the play at the hole "was the worst exhibition of golf that has probably ever been seen in a great match."

I laughed my head off for 10 minutes! This is definitely good material for DYK. --Wapiti (talk) 08:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed. I had thought of that myself. Actually it wasn't just the 2nd round 6th. The overall standard of the final seems to have been exceptionally poor. Perhaps nerves go to both of them. Thanks for the extra stuff Nigej (talk) 08:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It was my pleasure to add my two cents to the article. I found a good picture of him which enhances the article. --Wapiti (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Check out this link, this might be our guy. Possibly born a bit earlier, 3 February 1868 at Cockpen, Scotland. If you think this is good info, you might go ahead and edit the article and use this for a source. It isn't that great of a source, granted, but it is better than just showing a year for birth. --Wapiti (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Can't be I think. Sometimes called James Robb, Jr. (Majors of Golf) and father called James elsewhere too. Nigej (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Robert Maxwell (golfer)

I wrote on article on this fellow, Robert Maxwell, just today. If you can find any goodies to add to it, please do. I always appreciate your input. --Wapiti (talk) 08:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Scotland's People

I was approved for an account but still don't have any credits. My account shows zero. Are you having a similar problem? I need to find the DOD for Albert Tingey, Sr. but won't be able to without another resource. Nothing on internet that I could find. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I'm still waiting but I forgot to reply for while. It took ages last time too. Down to 1 credit myself. Tingey Sr (plain Albert) died Feb 1953 (Times obit 27th Feb), Tingey Jr (Albert S) died 17 July 1956 (Times obit). http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has Albert Tingey born 1869, again no middle name. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=tingey&yearOfDeath=1956&page=1#calendar has Albert Stanley for the son. Nigej (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I added your info to the article. I removed the middle name for now since we haven't really nailed that down just yet. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Masters Snooker

Sorry, it was an oversight on my part, taking out that one sentence you had put in there. Hopefully it's all okay now. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thats OK. I can't see why your original got removed. If someone didn't like it, they should have edited it rather than putting in a stupid redirect. Nigej (talk) 16:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox mystery

Hello, I have a question. In the Presidents Cup info box, do you happen to know why the past year and the next year randomly decide whether they want to appear in the info box? ... If you look at the 2015 Presidents Cup info box, you will see that the year "2013" appears as the past year, but there is no "2017" appearing as the next year. On the other hand, if you look at the 2017 Presidents Cup info box, you will find that the past year "2015" is there, AND the next year "2019" (in red link) is there as well. ... These years appear randomly for some strange reason, and I don't see any way to control it within the info box. Do you know why this is the case, and do you know any way to get it within our control? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Originally the idea was that the "2017" wouldn't appear until 1/1/2016 (as I remember) with the idea that no one would have created that 2017 at that time, so avoiding a "red" link. If someone creates the 2017 page early (i.e. before 1/1/2016 I think) the template doesn't work for the 2017 page. Much too complicated, better just to have the "red" link. Nigej (talk)

Hong Kong Open

I was wondering, is the Hong Kong Open shown live there in the UK? Here in the States, Golf Channel will be showing it to us on a 5 hour delay. Golf Channel will be putting the LPGA women as priority and showing THEM live with their event from Taiwan, instead of putting the LPGA on a delay and giving us the UBS Hong Kong Open live instead. Granted, it would be nice to see both live, but only one can be shown live, and Golf Channel apparently thinks that the European Tour event the Hong Kong Open is not as important to show live as the LPGA Tour event is. How are the sports networks there in the UK handling it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Did you see the question?

Yes, but forgot to reply. I'm don't think LPGA events are generally broadcast here. Sky are the main broadcaster and cover the European and PGA tours. Normally these don't clash. Nigej (talk) 14:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

English Amateur Championship

Hello, first I just want to say thanks for your recent edits on the English Amateur Championship. Much of the information I found on the subject was from a book I found titled The Sporting Chronicle Annual - A Handbook of Records for Every Branch of Sport which listed Charles Jaques as a New Zealander. punkkiddy (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Quick question

Hello, I was wondering of your Saturday TV coverage there in the UK of the World Challenge is being shown live, or on a delay? Here in the States, our coverage of it is being shown on a 3 hour delay. I believe they moved the tee times up to avoid bad weather, but Golf Channel and NBC kept their coverage windows the same, causing the 3 hour delay. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Seems to have been live on Sky Sports 4. Not 100% sure. Been on holiday for the last week. Nigej (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Why did you removed my editings on the Magyarization article twice?

Everything what is written against the Hungarians its OK to you, but when something is written to explain their policy, it bothers you? The whole article is full of accusations against the Hungarians, but when I wrote something, strenghtened with citations too (while in many parts of this article the citations, where the Hungarians are accused, are not to be find, without being deleted by you or others), you delete it? The article writes that Kossuth or other Hungarian politicians were so pro Magyarization, but it does not mention if so, why they allowed in August 1848 that the Romanian members of the Hungarian parliament to elaborate a nationality law draft, voted by the Union commission, which gave wide rights to the nationalities (which was not promulgated because of the destitution of the Batthyány Government in September), or why on the Hungarian money of September 1848 (Kossuth Bankó) there was also Romanian, Serb-Croatian, German and Slovak writing (while in todays Romania, Slovakia, Serbia you cannot find Hungarian writings on the money): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/10_forint_1848_o.JPG? Or again, in this article it is nothing to find about the historical autonomies in Hungary for Saxons, Székelys, Croatians, Romanians, cumans, Iaziges, etc., which has no paralel in the history of medieval or pre-modern Europe (http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/hevizi/hevizi.pdf, http://adatbank.transindex.ro/html/cim_pdf61.pdf). I taught that nationalism, stigmatizing nations and races is forbidden on Wikipedia... Please do not delete my contribution which tries to preserve the balance in this article, which is highly anti-Hungarian, or else I will complain against you!

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Firstly, It is incorrect to say that I reverted your edit twice. I only reverted it ONCE. See the "View History". The main trouble I have is with the last sentence of your edit: "Thus the Hungarian government after 1867 tried in this way (Magyarisation) to prevent further atrocities like these against the ethnic Hungarians, knowing that the Habsburgs can use also in the future the nationalities against the Hungarians in situations of conflict between the two states." I can't believe that this was a significant reason for Magyarisation. Do your references really say that or is it your interpretation? Nigej (talk) 11:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I have to recognize, I cannot find the article I read the fact about that one of the causes of Magyarization was that the nationalities were used against Hungary by the Habsburgs (it was long time ago), but this is obvious that it was one of the causes, because Hungary every time when it was in conflict with Austria, it had to deal with these kinds of dangerous activities, which resulted many deaths and revolts against the state. It is impossible that these events to have no influence on the Magyarization law. Sylvain1975 (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Nigej, please take a look at Magyarization. Sylvain1975 is edit warring and wants to add biased paragraph. Radezic (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Best of...

Hey Nige, a couple of things: firstly thanks for all the great work you're putting in on the snooker world champ articles, it's great to see these momentous occasions being given a bit of care and attention! Secondly, I am confused over the use of "best of" in some of the tournament scoresheets. Where I'm from, "best of 31" (for example) would mean that a match would be played until someone got to 16 and then it would stop immediately. I note that, for example, in 1971 World Snooker Championship we have a "best of 49" in the semi-finals which seems to have been played out entirely (how sad to know you've lost but yet still have to play another 10 or more frames...?!) while the final "best of 73" was curtailed as soon as Spencer hit the magic 37 mark. Can you explain what's going on? I think it may be worth a note on these articles, just in case someone else has the same perspective on "best of X frames" as I do... Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I can see from various edits that others are confused too, and me too sometimes. Right from the early days it was common to play out all the frames even after the winner was known (to entertain the paying customer). This is, of course, confusing to the modern viewer. Although we have 37-29 for the "1971" final (confusingly played in late 1970) it might well be that further "dead" frames were played - I haven't got that far yet. One of the most confusing instances is the 1940 World Snooker Championship where the final score was 37-36, leading some sources to talk about a final frame decider. Actually Joe had won the match 37-35 and the 73rd was a "dead" frame which Fred won. In the descriptions I have tried to include both the winning score (ie the score when the winner had passed the winning line) and the final score (after all frames were played out). In the List of world snooker champions article we have a variety of scores (some winning scores and some final scores) and I'm thinking of having two columns. Sometimes good breaks were made in the "dead" frames, since the play was naturally more open. Nigej (talk) 18:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for that. Would it be fair to say that these rounds where the frames were played no matter what weren't actually "best of" in that case? They were simply "Played 75 frames"? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

It's a bit of subtle distinction to me. We have the same winner whether extra frames were played or not, so the played-out matches were, it seems to me, still "best of". To add confusion we have matches like the best of 145 1952 World Snooker Championship which was won after 110 frames (73-37) but they gave up the match after 143 frames. And the 1933 World Snooker Championship where the 5 dead frames were played in the evening session before the presentation, but no one seems to have been bothered to note the final score. It seems that the only important thing was who won the match. Nigej (talk) 19:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, well I still think that calling it the "best of x frames" when it wasn't, and it played out all the frames is incorrect, wouldn't you agree? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/best_of says "best of" is the attainment of a majority of wins in (an odd-numbered series of games) and gives a quote from 1911 "A rubber consists of the best of three games, unless one side wins the first two games" which implies that the best of three games would normally be over all three games even when one side was 2-0 up after 2 games. I still don't see why "best of " implies the match has to stop when one side can't be beaten. a majority is a majority even when it's 10-5 in a 15 frame match. Nigej (talk) 20:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Actually I'm now coming round to your way of thinking. Maybe "Over 73 frames" would be better. Nigej (talk) 07:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I note that you included an explanation in the inaugural tournament article thus: The score in the matches between Davis and Brady and between Davis and Cope are the final scores including "dead" frames. which may be of use in explaining to our readers this odd and inconsistent approach to "best of". The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

P.S. Above you said "A rubber consists of the best of three games, unless one side wins the first two games" which implies that the best of three games would normally be over all three games even when one side was 2-0 up after 2 games. but that's wrong. The quote itself says that the dead game would not be played if one side won the first two games. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Projtags, categories

I agree with all your recent WP:SNOOKER project tags on talk pages and Category:Snooker categorizations (that I noticed), other than the ones at Talk:Cue sports and Cue sports, respectively, which I removed as redundant and over-categorization / reverse-categorization. It's the same as WP:CUE and WP:SNOOKER project-tagging Talk:Sport, or adding Mammal to Category:Dogs; it's a level too meta. It makes sense for {{WikiProject Snooker}} to be at Talk:Cue sports techniques and for that article to be in the snooker category, for example, since virtually all such techniques are also snooker techniques in particular. But the entire world of cue sports is not a snooker subtopic; it's the other way around. Unnecessary (i.e., not really relevant) projtags are an annoyance for talk page users, and a maintenance problem in multiple ways (e.g. they confuse the wikiprojects' article categorization schema, making it more of a hassle to use AWB on them in ways that make sense, etc.). Backwards categorization is even worse, and makes a mess of the category structure, and defeats its topically hierarchical purpose. Probably the only other project tag that should appear at Talk:Cue_sports would maybe be {{WikiProject Sports}}, if that parent project decides that it wants the top-level article in all sports categories tagged as part of WP:SPORTS (in which case we'd put one at Talk:Snooker, too, since we're approaching snooker as a unique sporting culture even if technically a form of cue sport from another angle).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  06:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd make a sensible reply if I could fully understand your comments, but I'm happy to take your view as correct. Nigej (talk) 09:43, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Sports Sidebar

Hello, I was wondering if you'd like to help out on the Sports Sidebar article. The usual editor there isn't active, and the page needs updating. I'll put the link here for you. Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/Sports/Sidebar Johnsmith2116 (talk) 02:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

World Grand Prix/World Open

Hi Nigej the debate at Talk:World_Open_(snooker)#Requested_move_11_March_2016 is still rumbling on. I was wondering if you could explicitly support or oppose my proposal based on your position, whatever that is. Currently there is one support and one oppose and if it stays that it will be closed as no consensus. Betty Logan (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nigej, an IP split the WGP results out of the article again at the World Open article, so I have started a split discussion at Talk:World_Open_(snooker)#RfC:_Proposal_to_split_World_Grand_Prix_results_to_World_Grand_Prix_.28snooker.29.3F to discuss the impact that splitting has on the player performance tables. If the results are going to be split out then obviously the approach needs to be more systematic than it has been. Betty Logan (talk) 14:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Malta Cup/European Open

Hi Nigej, I wonder if I could get your input at Talk:Malta Cup#European Open split. An IP has attempted to split out the European Open results to a separate article. I think this debate is much more clear cut than the World Open/World Grand Prix results so I don't agree with applying the same logic to this situation. Betty Logan (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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Percy Boomer

Hi, Nigej. I have Arthur Lees' article on my watchlist and noticed that you added Percy Boomer's name to the Sunningdale section. I looked through the sources I have access to in an attempt to find something to use as a source for the article, but was unable to come up with anything. The only club mentioned in any of the sources I can find is the Paris course where he spent most of his career, not Sunningdale. From what I can see, you have access to more old British newspaper sources and the like than I do in the U.S. If you get some free time, would you mind looking for a source that could be added to the articles for Boomer and Lees that mentions his position at Sunningdale? Perhaps The Times or another paper did an obituary when he died, which I don't have access to. Thanks for any help you can provide. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:14, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

http://www.lamoyegolfclub.co.uk/club_history mentions "After the Second World War, Percy became Head Professional at Sunningdale Golf Club. " and http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21873/lot/284/ says "Percy Boomer was a well known British professional at Sunningdale before and just after the Second World War," but neither is quite correct I think. Aberdeen Journal - Monday 02 May 1949 says "professional to the Sunningdale Golf Club since 1940 when he fled Paris, where had been professional at St Cloud for twenty seven years." Dundee Courier - Friday 07 March 1941 says the Boomer had been acting professional at Sunningdale during Michael Bingham's long absence through illness and he was then becoming properly appointed. The Scotsman - Friday 10 June 1949 says "A LEES FOR SUNNINGDALE - Arthur Lees (Dore and Totley, Sheffield), the Ryder Cup golfer and Midlands professional champion is to succeed the late Percy Boomer at Sunningdale, Berks" I can add a ref if you want but I can't find anything publicly visible at the moment. Nigej (talk) 18:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

That Scotsman article looks like it would do nicely. Thanks for doing some deep searching on the matter. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Also found this: Sheffield Independent - Thursday 20 September 1934 "Gift To Professional. At the close, Mr, C.H. Knott, on behalf of the Sheffield Professional Golfers’ Association, presented Mr. H.E. Dean, who has relinquished his position as professional at Dore and Totley, with a canteen of cutlery. His successor. Mr. A. Lees, takes up his duties to-day. The president of the Sheffield Union Golf Clubs. Mr. J. F. Bridge, supported Mr. Knott, and Mr. Dean suitably replied." Nigej (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you think that's significant enough to add, but I do think the Scotsman reference from your previous comment should be added to the Lees article. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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1901 Open Championship

You might take a gander at John Graham, Jr. who shows up twice on the first round leaderboard. Something is awry there. Thanks! --♥Golf (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Cheers. corrected now. Nigej (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Go and do something else with your sad miserable life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.71.180 (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring the obvious vandalism of "Make mean Egghead" you seem to think Lisa Thiel is leaving. It's clear from the introduction to Make Me an Egghead (where she is one of the 7 faces) and also from her twitter account where she said, after seeing one of your changes, "According to Wikipedia I'm leaving #eggheads because of my new arrival. Obviously an editor out there's never heard of a working mum!" Nigej (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Take your sad miserable life somewhere else. Vile waste of space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.177.7 (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Disbelief, yet...

In this edit you took out a retirement date, saying "can't be true". Yet in the text of Jean Garaïalde it says explicitly

"He retired shortly after his final appearance in 1982,[1] although he has since played in several European, Challenge and European Seniors Tour events that have been held in France."

So, yes, 'retired', but playing for pleasure as he wishes to? Perhaps revert that last change? Shenme (talk) 08:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Australian PGA Championship

Hi how are you ?. I noticed you have done a great job adding the list of runners-up to the Australian Open and Australian Masters. Will you be adding runners-up for the above event also please ?. Where are you getting all your information I have been trying to seek this for ages I cannot find it ?. Congrats keep up the good work 178.167.207.246 (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Certainly planning to add extra details. Wikipedia is currently terribly weak on Australasian golf. Sources like https://www.where2golf.com/golf-tournament/australian-pga.asp http://users.tpg.com.au/users/robmoski/Australian%20PGA.html http://www.pga.org.au/tourns/pga-tour/event/past-champions?id=1077 give some information on the PGA. I also use TROVE (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) a lot, to check all this out and anything else I can find. Nigej (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

OK do you think we could add career runners up totals to players individual pages like we do for tennis players and Snooker players ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 18:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

For example I know Rory McIlroy has a career total of 20 Runners-up finishes worldwide but there is no mention of career totals on players pages ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Interesting idea. Generally we're reluctant to start new features but the player playoff sections have been added in recent years. A couple of us have been adding the runners-up in the tournament pages for quite a while too, so your idea is possible. You should start a discussion on WT:GOLF with what you have in mind. Sometimes there's little response there but if you go down that route no one can complain that they weren't consulted. Nigej (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Adding them would be a great idea i have totals for some players, the only problem is when you have Co-sanctioned events not to count the same event twice but you think it's a good idea ? 178.167.207.246 (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

As you say you guys have been adding runners-up finishes to pages which I think is great. Would it be better if someone like you suggested career runners up totals being added ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you know where I would find the 1982 kapalua open Runner-up?. I've looked everywhere it's driving me crazy ?. Regards 178.167.207.246 (talk) 23:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Struggling there. Not widely reported. http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/02/02/The-Kapalua-International-Championship-of-Golf-a-non-PGA-event/3443413010000/ says "The event was known as the Kapalua Open last year with Hawaii's David Ishii picking up the $15,000 first place prize for 54 hole of play." http://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/11/11/David-Ishii-of-Honolulu-shot-a-3-under-par-68-Thursday/7291405838800/ (Nov 11) has 2nd round details: "David Ishii of Honolulu shot a 3-under-par 68 Thursday to take a one stroke lead over touring pro John Mahaffey after two rounds of the $110,000 Kapalua Open." So I guess the event finished on 12 November and would be reported in Newspapers on 13 November. Nigej (talk) 06:03, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah it seemed to be played over 54 holes178.167.156.108 (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Dunlop Phoenix and nedbank golf challenge runners-up

Hi I have full list of both of these events. Will I send them on to you ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you want these Runner-up places ?. 31.200.137.23 (talk) 18:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Bit focused on the Australasian Tour at the moment but will get to these sometime. Put them here, thanks. Nigej (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

1989 Hong Kong Snooker Gold Cup

Hi I put this up on snooker talkpage. I think it is the event you referred to. Should it be added to Steve Davis non-ranking wins section ?. 92.251.132.170 (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

You're asking the wrong man really. Wouldn't really have a clue. Seems to be a real bona-fine event, even though it was just a few of Hearn's stable of pros. The danger is that people put in really trivial events. Nigej (talk) 14:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Any event that's not exhibition are usually included as non-ranking 31.200.132.76 (talk) 17:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Looks to be a similar level to some of the others. eg the 1998 Red Bull Challenge, a round-robin event in China with just 6 players, 3 of them obscure Chinese players plus Hendry, Davis and John Higgins. Nigej (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Bridgestone Invitational

Can you please take a look at the dispute I am involved with on this article? pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 03:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

== Players career runners up finishes added to wiki pages ==

Hi I am going to start adding career totals to players pages to give a true reflection of wins and runners up finishes. Do you support me on this?. 31.200.156.98 (talk) 23:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean really. "true reflection"? We have a list of wins already in most cases. Nigej (talk) 08:05, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I mean like for example we have McIlroy on 22 career wins, he has been Runner-up in 20 events worldwide I want to add this like in tennis and Snooker runners-up finishes are listed this does not happen in golf, just wins are listed do you get me ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why not, although Tennis and Snooker have finals and so the runner-up is also the losing finalist. The section is usually called "Professional wins" so I'm wondering if you're thinking of a separate table in a new section. Nigej (talk) 14:40, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it would have to be a different section alright 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

PGA and European Tour seasons section

Hi I would like to add Runner-up finishes to each season of these tours. At the moment it just lists winners you have to go to each individual event to try and find the runner up. If you look at tennis or snooker seasons again Runners-up are listed.can we look at this please ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

For example the PGA Tour 2017 just lists the tournament winners can we add runners-up up finishes to these grids ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

The only problem I can see is whether you've got room. Too many columns can look a mess. Nigej (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

And remember I'm just giving advice, others may have different ideas. Nigej (talk)

I want it to look as it does with any tournament with runners-up added they look great 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm only worried that eg 2017 PGA Tour already has 8 columns, many quite wide. Nigej (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I just done a mock up adding runners-up up after winner in the 2017 PGA Tour and it looked fine it didn't create any extra mess. This section would make things easier. We will chat again about it I gotta go 178.167.200.101 (talk) 10:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Australian PGA Championship

Hi why did you undo the format layout i created for this event ?. I want the stroke play era to match and look like the Matchplay era which is very tidy. Can you have a look to see what I mean. The Matchplay era grid looks perfect. Thank you 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused since I've changed it back so the stroke play era DOES look like the match play era. If you're referring to the nowrap stuff, you need to remember that it might look better for you but might look worse for everyone else. Let the browser software do the work. Try reducing the character size in your browser if you don't like the wrapping (ctrl minus or something similar). Nigej (talk) 10:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi are you starting on the Korean Tour now

Hiya ?. 92.251.183.27 (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Not really. Just trying to improve a couple of big early season events. Got a bit distracted Trouble is that most of stuff is in Korean and doesn't translate too well. Also loads of golfers I've never heard of, all with similar names. Nigej (talk) 16:22, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Are you the editor who keeps putting blank lines in? Looks perfectly ok to me. You must either have a small screen or a large character size. Try reducing the character size a notch - see zoom under settings or something similar.

I just have a tablet. The grids don't look right for the Korean event I just want it to look like the Australian and PGA Tour events. It's not all in a straight line do you get me ?. 178.167.148.144 (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Korean Open and other events

The reason I am adding the lines is it want the format to follow all other events with the winner and runners up all on one clear line. View the Australian Open for example. Can you do this another way then please ?, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.148.144 (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

But you can't do this by editing the page. This might be better for you, but might makes things worse for everyone else. OK you're using a tablet but you could be using a browser, the mobile or desktop version or an app. You can change the settings on the tablet or find some software that looks better to you. Nigej (talk) 14:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I am viewing on desktop all other events look OK. I know what the problem is the winners grid has to be below the image you have added to show the location of where the event is played do you get me ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

My laptop is working perfectly why can't we get them to look like the Australian Open, Masters and PGA events. It's to do with that layout I am talking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm still confused since for Korea Open (golf) on my screen the "Winners" table ends at least an inch before the start of the "infobox", so it's not an issue for me and the winners table looks perfectly ok for me. Obviously everyone see it differently depending of their browser, character size, etc. I still suggest reducing your character size but you seem reluctant to do that. Nigej (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

But look at the layout now it is much clearer you can read the winners and runners up all in one clear line. Like in other events like Australian open etc. It looked all bunched together previously 178.167.168.67 (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You still don't seem to understand that it looks bunched together for you but not for me or for others. For me they are all in one clear line. Everyone sees a different table. Have you tried to reduce your character size like I have suggested several times. Nigej (talk) 13:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

How do you do that ?. I am using desktop on my tablet. I am not a whizz at this stuff. How come all other events look fine bar the Korean Open?. I have no problem viewing any other tournament they are all perfect. How come the character size is not an issue for all events then ?. Regards 17:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.133.198 (talk)

The way you have the Korean Open is on one line but I want to get the name on one line at the moment the names double up and go on two lines from I see ?. Regards 31.200.133.198 (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The names do not double up for me. Either you need a wider screen or smaller characters or you'll have to put up with it. Nigej (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't have to put up with anything. There is nothing wrong with my screen or tablet. Everything else works fine. 178.167.129.133 (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Made the screen bigger and smaller still the same are you using mobile or desktop view ?. 178.167.129.133 (talk) 20:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm using a desk-top. Chrome browser. When I have the zoom set to 100% it's looks ok to me. I can change the zoom. When I increase the zoom to 110% I get wrapping, eg "Woo Jeong Hills" appears on two lines. Zoom 125% more wrapping. Zoom 90%, plenty of room - no wrapping, Zoom 75% no wrapping but characters getting a bit small. So there are lots of different view, just by changing my browser options. No need to edit Wikipedia at all. Nigej (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

World Cup of Golf Individual event

Hi how are you ?. I have all the winners of the event from wiki obviously. I have runner-ups finishes from 1955–1966. I am missing Runner-up finishes from 1967–1995. I have the results again from 1996–2013. Do you know where I can get the runners-up from 1967–1995 please ?. Regards178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Try eg https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=43993 Not always accurate though. Nigej (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks got everyone bar the 1990 event, there is always one. Where would I find that do you know. Thanks for your help I appreciate it 178.167.187.110 (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

"The Times" has got Stewart on 271, Anders Sorensen (Denmark) on 273. We don't have an article for him. Would be: Anders Sørensen Nigej (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Where did you get that one mate ?. Where do you find those articles ?. I'd love to be able to do that thank you so much. 178.167.187.110 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

You can usually get access to The Times through your local library (in the UK). Nigej (talk) 15:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

In in Ireland doubt I'll be able to ?. 178.167.207.183 (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Scores for the BMW PGA Championship

Hi Nigej, I am using a public computer at the moment, and I have not been able to get the leaderboard to load at the European Tour website. So, I am not able to find today's scores to list them on the 2017 BMW PGA Championship Wikipedia page. If you have better luck getting the leaderboard to load, perhaps you can work on today's scores? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Wells Fargo Championship

Hi do you see the layout of this event. It is very clear. The grid shows each year on one line not bunched up do you get me ?. Doesn't it look much better ?. 178.167.168.67 (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Dunlop phoenix

Hi I have all the Runners-up finishes apart from the early years. I looked a Good few places would you be able to help me find them please ?. 31.200.164.182 (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

http://www.jgto.org/pc/WG02090000Init.do?year=2016&tournaKbnCd=0&conferenceCd=33 seems to have results back to 1985. https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=50691 has some earlier details. Otherwise it's a matter of going through them one by one, I guess. The Times (10 Dec 1973) has 289 K Yoshikawa (presumably Kazuo Yoshikawa), 1 behind Miyamoto. The Times (9 Dec 1974) has 281 Lu Liang-Huan, 7 behind Miller. 1977: see: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WI9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4qQMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4822%2C6780929 mentions Kikuo Arai. 1981 see: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KMNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=16UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2510%2C4173779 but doesn't mention runner-up. Nigej (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I only need 81, 80, 79 now I have the rest. Will you be able to help me when you can please I've looked everywhere. Thanks 31.200.164.182 (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

1981: Times (23 Nov 1981) has 282 T Nakajima (Tsuneyuki Nakajima preumably) 3 Behind. 1980: Times (24 Nov 1980) has 284 Mike Reid (golfer) 2 behind. 1979: Times (26 Nov 1979) has 287 Lu Liang-Huan and N Takasu (Namio Takasu I guess), 3 behind.

You are a legend I have them all now I add add a runners up section when I get the chance that is great thanks very much 31.200.164.182 (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hassan II Trophy

Hi this event prior to European Tour sanctioning is bothering me. You any idea where we could track these results down ?. Where2golf only covers from 2010. Will this one be hard to get would you think ?. 92.251.220.53 (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Probably easy enough, plenty of coverage in the newspapers. http://curiousaboutgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/history-king-hassan.pdf has some info but is clearly written by someone who doesn't speak english and has a strange style too. Nigej (talk) 07:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I got that myself and some French site I translated. I only need 5 years can you do your newspaper search or library thing you do. I'm missing 2003 event won by Santiago Luna, 1995 won by Nick Price 1994 won by Martin Gates, 1991 won by Vijay Singh and 1976 won by Salvador Balbuene. These Runner-up s are not mentioned in this piece. Hope you can help 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

1976 http://www.nytimes.com/1976/11/14/archives/sports-news-briefs-mets-appoint-richman-to-public-relations-job.html?_r=0 "Balbuena had a four‐day total of 289 for a three‐stroke victory over a trio of Americans, George Burns, Curtis Strange and Danny Edwards." Nigej (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Lovely if you can dig out the other four I have them all, from reading that guys article I think Payne Stewart may have been Runner-up in 1991 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

1991 Times (25 Nov 1991) Singh beat Payne Stewart at first extra hole, tied at 285. Nigej (talk) 15:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

1995 Times (13 Nov 1995) N Price 286, R Chapman 288 Nigej (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Great work can you find 1994 Martin Gates never heard of him and 2003 Santiago Luna. Then we have the lot 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

2003 (finished 14 Dec 2003) http://www.gilliankirkwood.co.uk/ercn86/archive/Dec03.htm has 278 Santiago Luna (Spa) 68 70 69 71. 281 Joakim Haeggman (Swe) 71 73 69 68. Nigej (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Is the 1994 one hard to get ?. I'll be sick if we fall one short lol that guy Gates doesn't even have a wiki page 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Can't find any report of the tournament, so don't even know the dates. Nigej (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

If we got the date would you get it ?. How did you find the others ?.178.167.160.88 (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Sometimes helps. Anyway found this: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130535936 so getting closer. Wayne Westner second after 2 rounds. Seems to have finished 6 November. Nigej (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes that looks the date do you think you will be able to dig it out now ?. 178.167.160.88 (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Stumped for now. Found vague thing in French "Finally, Gates who with an excellent score of 279 beats the great Swede Robert Karlsson and the American Scott Gump." but not quite sure what that means. Nigej (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

It must be Scott Hoch he played in that event. I will add them names and if you find anything else I will change it ok ?.178.167.160.88 (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah in that link you sent me Karlsson and Hoch played in 1994 178.167.221.15 (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

For 1997 it says Monty beat Henrik Nyström, Howell and Hammond. I presume the Howell is David and the Hammond is Dornie that's all I could work out ?. 92.251.175.127 (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

1982 Kapalua open

Hi can you find who was runner-up in this event please ?. I am adding runners-up finishes to lots of the non sanctioned Tour events recently. Do you know where I would get Runner-up finishers at the Callaway Pebble Beach Invitational and the Irish PGA Championship?. They are the next two I want to add ?. Regards 92.251.169.68 (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Can't be much use I'm afraid. https://www.irishgolfdesk.com/irish-pga/ has some recent results. Nigej (talk) 16:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I looked at this before and couldn't find anything. US golf is not my speciality. Nigej (talk) 17:04, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

They are all events aren't they ?. What is your speciality?. I try to cover all events. Would you be able to find through your library sources if you can please  ?. Do you have a PGA Tour contact I could get in touch with cheers ?. 92.251.169.68 (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Would you be able to try the times for me when you get a chance please ?. I've gone all through that upi archive link it only gives a second round report. Hope you can help thanks 92.251.169.68 (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm quite keen on doing something on the Irish PGA but will be out of action for a while, so can't do anything for a few weeks, except maybe add the irishgolfdesk stuff. Nigej (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Can you get the Irish PGA from 67–96 by any chance ?. 178.167.180.56 (talk) 15:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Gary Player I found two wins on the PGA Tour site

Will you have a look please it clearly states he has won 5 South African PGA'S and 6 western provinces will you reply when you get this . 178.167.142.80 (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

These wins are listed on Gary Player's official website please see 50's and 60's section for these two wins 178.167.142.80 (talk) 23:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Gary Player's website would fail WP:RS. If I recall correctly he claims all his Senior British Open wins as Champions Tour major wins. The Champions Tour says otherwise....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Would the PGA Tour website fail as well William since they are listed there also ?. Are they not a reliable enough source for you ?. 178.167.142.80 (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

These sources are all the same one, basically, and probably supplied by Player himself. The list does appear in various places but is clearly the same one, just copied. Golfers own websites are very unreliable generally. Anyway, the main question is whether they are correct or not. South African PGA Championship has the event not being played in 1960. He did win in 1959 (finished 7 February) but Dunlop moved their sponsorship to a stroke play event for 1960. See: https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=48990 (which is also not always reliable). This has a different structure to us in that it regards the pre-1960 events as being part of the Masters line while we regard them as part of the PGA Championship line. Anyway, in 1960 it has Player winning the "South African Stroke play Masters" with a score of 266 which we have as the first South African Masters. My suspicion is that Player's list which has both "South African PGA Championship, South African Masters" for 1960 is actually the same event. I see you've also added Player winning the Western Province Open in 1959 even though we already have a 1959 winner. The Times for 12 January 1959 says clearly that Henning won on 280 with E Moore runner-up on 282. The 1960 event was played in early March, returning to early January in 1961 - Henning winning again by a stroke from Verwey, so how can Player have won in both 1959 and 1960? Personally I think there's a lot of doubt about these new "wins" and you need to find some better source that Player himself, for me to believe them. Nigej (talk) 07:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Please no comments here. Use Talk:Gary Player Nigej (talk) 08:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

BTW I have asked you questions above that you have not answered for me ?. Also some events back then on the Sunshine Tour were played twice in one year look at the South African Masters for example. You and your buddy have decided that Player's website and the PGA Tour are not reputable enough to include there stats. It's not up to your hunch to say player meant to add this for 59 instead of 60 you can't talk for him the stats are there 31.200.149.202 (talk) 12:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

1) It's true that events were sometimes played twice in the same YEAR, but never twice in the same SEASON that I am aware of (eg 1959/60 or 1960/61). The WPO was played January 1959, March 1960, January 1961. How do fit another one into this? Answer that question. It doesn't make sense to me. 2) As to your other point, it IS up to editors to decide what it reliable or not, by consensus. You have been challenged to find a reliable source. 3) As to your point about the PGA site: I can find many sites which have copies of Wikipedia pages. That doesn't mean that Wikipedia information is more accurate because it's been copied around. Nigej (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Go to Gary Player's talk page and continue the discussion there. I posted there with a link to the 2005 Champions Tour media guide book (BTW it was published by the PGA Tour) which doesn't even list any of Player's wins in the SA PGA Championship....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:16, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The PGA Tour hardly copy from Wikipedia do they ?. Did you receive my question regarding the Irish PGA Championship BTW ?.31.200.149.202 (talk) 16:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Tewapack has now removed Player's 9 majors from his Sunshine Tour section saying they were double counted when in fact they were not if he could count he would see the career total is 164 and now he has reduced it to 155. can someone of you change it back to 164 since they are not double counted you can see this for yourselves. I had already made a note of this on there If it wasn't bloody locked I could do it. This is unreal stuff. 92.251.136.84 (talk) 18:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Wendy's 3 Tour Challenge event

Hi I am beginning to think that the above event should be removed from the "Other Wins" section on players wiki pages. The reason is it contains 3 players per team and is no different to the Alfred Dunhill Cup which also had 3 players per team but that event is not included in the other wins section. The Alfred Dunhill Cup is included in the teams section only. For example I checked Phil Mickelson's PGA Tour guide and it includes 42 PGA Tour wins and 7 other wins which we have included on wiki but it omits his two Wendy's 3 Tour Challenge wins which are included on wiki. His career total on pga Tour is 49 wins wiki has 51 career wins. Your thoughts ?. 92.251.158.155 (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't really know anything about it, but seems to me that it would be best in the team appearances section and not in the individual wins section at all. Nigej (talk) 07:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

That's what I think I will start removing them so will you tell others incase they think it's vandalism thank you 31.200.161.45 (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I would add them to the team appearances section at the same time as you remove them from the wins section. Could you write something at WT:GOLF explaining. Nigej (talk) 13:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

It might be better coming from you I mentioned on the edits that I spoke with you and we agreed to count as team wins. No one knows me here really. You would be well know will you make a note of that because as I say people may dismiss me lol 31.200.161.45 (talk) 15:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Only I can do too much on the stupid phone. Nigej (talk) 15:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Gary Player Fred Meyer Challenge 1986 wins needs to be added

Player and Greg Norman won the above event with a tied victory with Peter Jacobsen and Curtis Strange. It should be added to Player's other wins section. It is counted on the other players wins section who were involved. But in his "Other Seniors Wins" the Nelson Mandela Invitational event he won in 2005 was a four man team event and should be removed. So the Career total should still be 164. Other wins should total 28 and Other Seniors wins should be 10. Will you do this as the page is still locked. Regards 31.200.130.228 (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Tylenol par 3 shootout

Hi I have found reports that says Trevino won in 2001 with Mickelson second which differs from the PGA career page of Mickelson. The site says Couples won in 2002 and Fuzzy Zoeller won in 2003 when we have Couples listed as the winner in 2003. What will we do ?.92.251.142.177 (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I notice you are back since you reverted some of my edits but

You did not reply to me regarding my questions regarding the Tylenol Par 3 Shootout I have found errors like I pointed out to you. Can you create a homepage for the event as I have found the results for the years the tournament was staged. 31.200.156.146 (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Irish Open

Sorry about the score on the Irish Open page. I don't know what I was thinking. Surely I wasn't thinking clearly. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

European Golfer of the Month

Thanks for adding the EGotM to the ET page. I was beginning to think that they forgot to award it this time. They definitely took their time naming the winner for May. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes. The same here. I was surprised when it said "May" and we're in the middle of July. Nigej (talk) 10:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Scottish Open TV delay

I was wondering how you knew that the Scottish Open had gone into a playoff? Does the TV network you were watching over there show the event in real time? Or perhaps you were at the tournament? .. Here in the States, Golf Channel and NBC show the European events on a five minute delay. But also, the European Tour website is with a problem today, so, it was no help either.

Actually from Twitter: https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour "Agony at the last with his first bogey of the day." The European Tour website seems to have been a shambles today, or perhaps it's my computer. Nigej (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Website error

The European Tour website shows that Rafael Cabrera-Bello is −4 through 17 holes. Is that incorrect? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes but out of date, now finished on −3 (bogey 5 at the last) Nigej (talk) 19:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Seems the European Tour website is still having troubles after their recent "improvement". I've been using theopen.com which seems ok. Nigej (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it seems that's the case. Thanks.Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

"dash"

Per your revert of my edit, you stated in your edit summary that WP:GOLF uses "dash", but I'm afraid that's a "hyphen" that you've reverted to. Is that what you meant? What I did was to use en-dashes, which WP:MOS recommends. But I'm not a follower of the golf project's subtle requirements, although this is the first time in the history of my time at Wikipedia that I've been reverted on such an edit. Maybe things have changed recently? Can you link me to the golf project style guide please, it may need work? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll take your word as to whether it's a dash or a hyphen. There is no "golf project style guide" per se, just an unwritten convention as to style. Check out any Major Championship, eg. 1939 Masters Tournament (chosen randomly) to see a typical example. There are some 800 of these pages all of which use a hyphen between the round scores. also see eg Jordan Spieth#Professional wins (14) ("Winning score" column) which also follow the same style. There are many many player pages following this style. As to the reason, I presume the logic is to reduce the width of the column. Changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless. Discuss on WT:GOLF is you propose a wholesale change. Nigej (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

No, no need for "equally sarcastic", you said it was a dash, it isn't, it's a hyphen, we have MOS:DASH for that kind of thing. As I noted, it's not just "one article out of several thousand", I've probably changed tens of thousands of articles. So no, it's not utterly pointless, it's just to get articles to comply with the site-wide manual of style. I don't need to start a debate at WT:GOLF if there's no pre-existing style guide there, but thanks for the invitation. By the way, just because there are "800 of these pages", I'm not sure how you know they all use hyphen, and I'm not sure why that somehow makes it "right".... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't claim it was "right", just almost universally used in this situation (i.e. between round scores in tables). Personally I'm more keen on a uniformity of style than I am to strictly following the MOS so I stick to my view that "changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless". BTW It's quite common for style issues to be discussed at WT:GOLF, even when there's no style guide. Nigej (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure where this "changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless" view comes from. We change articles on a daily basis, thousands of them, to comply with MOS. It's very simple, scripted and compliant with the Wikipedia's style guide. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Masson

I was about to change the Masson score when you beat me to it. .. Golf Channel had said 3 & 2, but the Solheim Cup site says 4 & 2. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:19, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for finishing the FedEx Cup page. I'd have done more on it last night, but I simply ran out of time to do it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Well spotted on the Presidents Cup

Nice catch on the 2017 Presidents Cup page, spotting the duplicate listings. I don't know how I missed that. I guess it has been that way for a long time. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Getting near the time now. People starting to get interested in it, I suspect. Nigej (talk) 08:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Good point. that's what made me go to the page. ... Since I started the page, I decided a minute ago to take a look carefully and see if it was me who mistakenly put those duplicate entries in it. After looking, I know it wasn't me. So, someone else at some point must have put them in there without realizing that they were already in there. Can you image how funny it would have looked if hundreds of viewers had come along and seen those listings in there twice? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing my Nine Bridges mistakes. I'm still waking up here and apparently I didn't even notice what I had done when scripting it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

On hols so small changes are all i can do Nigej (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:Power Snooker has been nominated for discussion

Category:Power Snooker, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 13:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Japan Open image

Would you happen to know how to find an image of the Japan Open logo? I can't find one. I was hoping to add one to the Japan Open page. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Very small logo here: http://www.jga.or.jp/jga/jsp/championship/champ_schedule_en.html Senior Open logo here: http://www.jga.or.jp/jga/jsp/index.html so maybe a better Japan Open logo will appear later. Nigej (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Satellite tour graduates

When a player in the top five of a European satellite tour order of merit earns status in a higher category (by finishing in the top 70 of the Challenge Tour rankings or making the cut at Q School), a Challenge Tour card is given to the sixth-place finisher. For example: on the 2015 Alps Tour, Josh Loughrey finished second but made the cut in Q School. The 6th-place finisher, Matthieu Pavon, also made the cut in Q School, so a card was given to the 7th-place finisher, Andrea Maestroni. This year, Nicolai von Dellingshausen is currently 26th on the Challenge Tour so guaranteed to stay in the top 70. That would be why Stanislav Matuš earned a Challenge Tour card. I'm not sure what the best way to note this on the season articles is; so far, it's never been noted (it's happened in four seasons that have articles: 2015 Alps Tour, 2016 Alps Tour, 2015 Pro Golf Tour, 2016 Nordic Golf League). pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 16:37, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I'd noticed that 2015 Pro Golf Tour was wrong, in that http://www.europeantour.com/challengetour/season=2016/tournamentid=2016710/news/newsid=287126.html mentions Robin Kind, sort of explained here: http://www.pga.de/progolftour-gb-past-ofm-champions.html Nigej (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Alternative theory: Max Schmitt is an amateur. He might be counted in addition to the top 5 professionals, making 6 graduates (in which case number 7 will get a card because of von Dellingshausen). pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 06:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

No idea really as to the details. Not even sure whether Schmitt will play on the Challenge Tour this year. I'm hoping that you'll do some clever colour-coding for these 3rd tier tours, like you do for the others. Nigej (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 15:41, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking of pages like 2015 Challenge Tour graduates which are full of lovely colours. Can't we have something similar. Nigej (talk) 15:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I can't take credit for the coloring (that was apparently originally developed by Michfan2123 and CrazyC83), but I actually have a user page that sounds like what you're describing: User:Phinumu/Satellite tours. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 16:17, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I was imagining using colours to indicate how they graduated (rather than the suffices on your page). Nigej (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, how about expanding the table to the top 10 and taking a page from Wikipedia's soccer coverage:

Rank	Player	Country	Earnings (€)	Status earned
1	Darius van Driel	Netherlands	35,860	Promoted to Challenge Tour
2	Josh Loughrey	England	34,280	Qualified for Challenge Tour (made cut in Q School)
3	Damien Perrier	France	28,099	Promoted to Challenge Tour
4	Harry Casey	England	23,302
5	Jurrian van der Vaart	Netherlands	21,873
6	Matthieu Pavon	France	21,869	Qualified for Challenge Tour (made cut in Q School)
7	Andrea Maestroni	Italy	21,297	Promoted to Challenge Tour
8	Toni Ferrer	Spain	21,014
9	Tom Shadbolt	England	20,927
10	Gerard Piris	Spain	20,621

Rank	Player	Country	Earnings (£)	Status earned
1	Jordan Smith	England	32,984	Promoted to Challenge Tour
2	Darren Wright	England	29,670
3	Sam Connor	England	27,296
4	Marcus Armitage	England	26,593
5	Aaron Rai	England	25,644
6	Gary King	England	23,396	Qualified for Challenge Tour (made cut in Q School)
7	Daniel Gavins	England	19,622	Qualified for European Tour (top 25 in Q School)
8	Paul Howard	England	19,542	Qualified for Challenge Tour (made cut in Q School)
9	Mark Laskey	Wales	18,556
10	Neil Fenwick	Scotland	16,313

These examples don't cover the possibility of a player finishing in the top 70 of the Challenge Tour rankings, but  a darker blue  could be used for top 15 and the darker green for 16–70. I'm using "promoted" for promotion based on earnings and "qualified" for promotion through Q School. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 17:34, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Seems excellent to me. I wasn't imagining down to 10, but honestly I don't see why not. All good content. Nigej (talk) 19:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Open Draft - Augusto Núñez

I see you did some cleanup on a few golf pages I created. I have another that is an open draft so feel free to add anything you want prior to me moving live - User:CNMall41/Augusto Núñez. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Nicolas Colsaerts

What was "botched" in my edit[3]? Fram (talk) 08:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I now saw it, I have corrected it. Fram (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

NBO Oman Golf Classic

This event has been on the Challenge Tour, and now it will be on the European Tour. A couple questions: Is there a way to know if it is the same tournament, or a different one? And, if it is the same event, will it be a dual ranking event like the Madeira Islands Open, or will it be having its status elevated like the Corales Puntacana Resort and Club Championship? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It won't be dual-ranked. The prize fund is equivalent to the Qatar Masters at $1.75 million (though that tournament's prize fund is decreasing from $2.5 million), which should be enough to give the winner a two-year exemption. I think that unless it's explicitly stated to be the same event, we should treat it separately. The National Bank of Oman Golf Classic hasn't been held since 2014; instead, since 2015, the Challenge Tour Grand Final has been staged in Oman under the name NBO Golf Classic Grand Final. I think it's best to consider this tournament to be a new event, rather than a continuation of one on a different tour that hasn't actually been held for three years. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 16:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thanks for the help with Augusto Núñez. CNMall41 (talk) 22:34, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Dartmoor Discovery for deletion

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Jon Rahm

About Jon Rahm, in your view, do you think that his stats on his Wikipedia page has a properly color coded box for his European Tour victories? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Colors seem to match those in 2017 European Tour. Problem, I suppose, is that it's both the Tour Championship and a Rolex Series event. Not really sure how to resolve that. It says "The DP World Tour Championship is also a Rolex Series tournament." but these notes can be quite confusing for readers. Nigej (talk) 08:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes it can get a little confusing for those not used to knowing the difference. But it looks like it will stay the way it is, unless someone else raises an issue with it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for all you've done to enhance and protect Wikipedia's golf articles. The ongoing attempt to change the name of The Players Championship (with the stated purposes to change the name of The Open Championship) is such an attempted action resulting in a need for both protection and a common-sense voice. You provide those, so thanks again. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too

Thanks for fixing me entry on Frittelli's page. Specifically the part where you entered 2018, it was simply an oversight on my part. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Paddy Mahon needs attention

Hello! Your submission of Paddy Mahon at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Nigej, this still needs your attention two weeks later; please returns as soon as possible. Thank you! BlueMoonset (talk) 07:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Irish Seniors Masters draw

Hi how are you can you create a homepage for the above event please?. I will add the draw then I know it. Is that ok please ?. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.194.41 (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Golf - adding Runners-up finishes to players Wikipedia pages.

Hi I just noticed all players on the OWGR website have career wins and Runners-up finishes listed. Which is great news. Can we start adding them to players pages in the new year?. It would take awhile but it's a project I think needs looking at. The older players would be harder but we can add up their Runners-up in tour events and non tour events. If you look at Snooker, finals are getting added all the time and past players pages are constantly being updated with this type of info. Tell me what you think ?. 178.167.207.115 (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

This has come up before. in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Golf/Archive_5#Splitting_results_table_when_official_tour_begins, and there seemed to be some hostility to the idea. The Snooker (or Tennis and Darts) parallel is not relevant since 99% of tournaments are stroke-play and there is no final. In addition there seems little point in simply replicating something that's available on the OWGR site. We're just picking out the most important things. Also there is some feeling that there are enough stats already, what we need is more descriptive text. So, you can gather that I'm not keen to get involved. Just my thoughts. Nigej (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if there is no final. Finishing second in golf is a runner-up finish the same as in Snooker, Tennis and Darts. I would just like to give career totals not list all the individual results. Just to give career totals Would that be possible?. 178.167.201.181 (talk) 00:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

It seems to matter to some people. Anyway, just giving totals with no indication where the numbers come from is even less likely to be popular. Wold need references. Nigej (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

But if you don't want them listed ill have to post totals it would have to be one or the other really ?. McIlroy has 21 runners up finishes to date if you don't want them all listed could I not indicate totals ie say PGA tour=10, euro tour= 9 Asian tour= 2 whatever it would be. Would that be ok then ?. To indicate the totals and update them after events it's done for the PGA and European Tour events so why not career totals ?. 178.167.142.215 (talk) 13:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Paddy Mahon

Hello! Your submission of Paddy Mahon at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Is cuetracker blacklisted for adding tournament wins ?

In Snooker cuetracker.net has some events that Chris Turner does not have and that site is the only source for the tournament. Does that mean it cannot be added because Cuetracker.net is blacklisted ?. What other sources are blacklisted please ?. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.137.180 (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

The list is here: MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. It includes: cuetracker.net, snookerinfo.webs.com, prosnookerblog.com, snookerstatistics.webs.com. Personally I'm not at all keen on treating cuetracker as blacklisted but it's been done against my wishes. It counts as a self-published source which the petty bureaucracy are not keen on. To me the main problem was that people were using career stats from it when it's clear that cuetracker is incomplete. At to how to proceed I can't really give any advice. Strictly speaking if that's your only source then it shouldn't be added. However people are still using it, that's clear, they just can't reference it. Nigej (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't read that list to be honest. It's just fan sites so is YouTube videos still ok. I found old finals with players lifting cups and all that from old finals. Can we reference that stuff still ?. Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 16:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi are videos still ok please ? Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)