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Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.
Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.


For more information is Japanese Wikipedia<ref>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiSA</ref>. Japan fans are disappointed with many lies that was neglected for many years.
For more information is Japanese Wikipedia<ref>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiSA</ref>. Japanese fans are disappointed with many lies that was neglected for many years.


Thanks.
Thanks.

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. RM was raised to test consensus on new name, and we now have a strong policy-based consensus supporting it (nice to have such a clear result on a tricky issue for a change, well done team). Andrewa (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →? – (target page will depend upon consensus: possibilities are LiSA or Risa Oribe) First, the new title is rather long to type. Second, the article was moved without consensus. I know it's good to be bold, but I think it would have been better if there was some sort of discussion first before moving. Not moving it back because I want to see if there's consensus to keep this at the new title, or revert to the old one. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per the discussion below, I've added her real name as one of the possible target titles. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move to LiSA. When I was fixing disambiguation links for Lisa after finding a disambiguation issue with Lisa (film), I found that there are several singers/musicians who are from Japan that go by the pseudonym "Lisa" in all forms and styles. Due to the fact that there are several stylizations of the word "Lisa" that these singers use, it would be very easy to perform a typo and go to the wrong "Lisa", including this one. Also, the other "Lisa singers" don't seem to hold enough notoriety to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the others. So, I renamed the titles per WP:NCPDAB, and this move was one of them. So, without further ado, that's why I "oppose". Steel1943 (talk) 23:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: however, if anyone has any alternate ideas for a disambiguator for this title that would distinguish it from all of the other "Lisa singer/musician" titles besides the capitalization stylization of the word "Lisa", I'm open to ideas. Steel1943 (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For example, maybe Risa Oribe or Love is Same All (both redirects to this title)? Steel1943 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose just simply Lisa (Japanese musician) or Lisa (Japanese singer) are possible alternate titles than the current long one (of the two options I gave, I prefer Lisa (Japanese singer) for consistency with many similar anime music singers who go by one name, such as Lia (singer)). However, LiSA is mainly known only to otaku (Japanese anime fans), so most of those who do know her know only her and not any of the other singers that go by the name Lisa and thus are rather unlikely to make a mistake. Another thing is that the other language Wikipedia articles that have an article on her use just "LiSA" without any disambiguation (except for the French Wikipedia, which instead uses her real name, Risa Oribe). And speaking of her real name, the final option, as you mentioned earlier, is to simply move the article to her real name, Risa Oribe (which is already a redirect to here), not to Love is Same All which is rarely used, even by her. Honestly, I would prefer the last option if the article can't say at just simply LiSA. Whatever the outcome, of course, will depend upon consensus. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From the above mentioned options, I cannot agree with Lisa (Japanese singer) or Lisa (Japanese musician); as stated above, there is more than one article that could describe listed on the disambiguation page (including Lisa Komine, who has went by the pseudonym "lisa" in the past), so thus, I had made both of those titles redirect towards the disambiguation page Lisa. I guess Risa Oribe may be a viable option, since it seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME for this subject on at least one other Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article title should have "LiSA" in it regardless, IMO. Using her real name in place of her more-widely known stage name would go against WP:UCN and using "LiSA" would be in line with WP:NCA. Most people (at least prior to coming to this article) don't even know LiSA's real name, anyway. As for the move discussion, since there is another Japanese singer named Lisa already, Lisa (Japanese musician, born 1974), I guess the current name of this article is adequate, albeit long. However, since LiSA is an acronym, was there a need to move the article at all? No one else is known by the acronym LiSA except for the subject of this article. And I really have never seen anyone refer to the singer as "Love is Same All", so I would not agree with using that as the article's title, either.--十八 23:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Juhachi: I get your point about wanting to keep the "LiSA" part of the title intact; I'm under the same belief for the most part. However, "LiSA" for encyclopedic purposes isn't really an "acronym" for pronunciation purposes, but rather a "capitalization stylization" of the pseudonym, considering (and correct me if I'm wrong, please) that the singer most likely pronounces "LiSA" as the name "Lisa" and not spelled out like "El-eye-ess-ae". If that were the case, I could see potential to keep "LiSA" as a distinct case from the rest of the "Lisa Japanese singer"s, but as it stands, it really just looks like an alternate capitalization of the word "Lisa", and that could refer to anyone on the list. In fact, the "Lisa" that you referenced in your comment above, Lisa (Japanese musician, born 1974), I believe per the article, the stylization of "Lisa" for her pseudonym is "LISA" (all caps). Steel1943 (talk) 00:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Steel1943: Well, I don't think it matters how LiSA is pronounced as long as it's an acronym. NASA is not at National Aeronautics and Space Administration; NATO is not at North Atlantic Treaty Organization; and yet similarly, both of those acronyms are pronounced as words (not "N.A.S.A" or "N.A.T.O". The same thing applies to LiSA.--十八 00:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Juhachi: Agreed, but the examples you have presented are the primary topics for organizations, not a person's name. In fact, I saw that Nasa is also a redirect to NASA, which makes sense. However, I don't see how the analogy applies to this case, considering that the "LiSA" acronym is stylized in a fashion that makes it a standard English-sounding name that can be used by other people. For that reason, the answer for the regarding the capitalization stylization of "LiSA" seems to be a grey area, and probably best to let the readers decide what topic they are looking for if they are spelling a human name with the intention of finding a person who has that name, regardless of the capitalization they type. Steel1943 (talk) 00:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The above was so well argued that I thought of adding it as an example at WP:NCPDAB, but the situation is already well covered there. Andrewa (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Andrewa, I actually agree that an example such as this should be added there, considering that WP:NCPDAB seems to not include information about capitalization stylization of names as disambiguators. Granted, though, it may need consensus formed on the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people) page, but it seems rather cut and dry to me. Steel1943 (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unconvinced... WP:NCPDAB seems clear to me as is, and I'm wary of instruction creep, there's so much out there already to read (see WP:creed#bold). But raise it by all means on WT:Naming conventions (people), that's the place for it. Andrewa (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrewa: Fair enough. As the saying goes: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Steel1943 (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 00:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, I Tintor2 (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC), will be reviewing this article. It is looking pretty good but there are some issues I would like to see fixed.[reply]

  • The lead is composed entirely of one paragraph. It could be expanded with some of her influences.
  • Another about the lead is that it mentions too many animes. Just mentioning the first or another which is very notable could be good.
  • The Discography section is almost empty.
  • It is also a bit unsourced. I would recommend expanding it or leaving the link in another section.

Anyways, good work.

@Tintor2: The Discography section is empty because it was split off. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:59, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think Tintor2 means that Letters to U, Lover"s"mile, Landspace, Launcher, etc don't have articles at all. Technically a good article review should focus on the page itself and not on additional pages, but having a pop musician GA article without album/song pages feels very odd to me. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Prosperosity: Someone could make them though. Not me as I'm not exactly experienced when it comes to writing articles on music releases. Arguably the only red link above that could have an article is Launcher since it has a review (which I also used in LiSA's page). As for the lede, I'll be working on it in a bit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:59, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Since they're all charted releases that were mentioned in major music press, they pass WP:MUS very easily. The only releases by her which would be contested on notability grounds are....."ID" as it hasn't charted/been reviewed yet, and maybe "Orpheus (Kimi to Kanaderu Ashita e no Uta)" if the article wasn't that great. --Prosperosity (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Prosperosity: Well, it would be cool if you could create articles for each of her albums and singles. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I already have a huge backlog, sorry! --Prosperosity (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Prosperosity: @Tintor2: The lede has been revised somewhat, being given more meat and being split into two paragraphs. What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Prosperosity: @Narutolovehinata5: Sorry for the long delay. There I moved a sentence from the discography article to serve as an intro to it. Does it look good?Tintor2 (talk) 17:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2:. Fine with me. Any more suggestions/fixes that have to be done? If not, is it a pass? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:12, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Passed. Congrats.Tintor2 (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the discography listing on the main page, I have added the studio albums, as comparable to Beyonce and other music artists that have split-off discographies. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Musical style and influences

Should the article's Musical style and influences section be restored to what it was at this edit, or should it remain in its current state? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We discussed this over on Discord chat for a bit. As I said there, I think a lot of the content that was removed should be restored. I do think some paragraphs should be trimmed or even removed. For example, in the old version of the article, I think the last paragraph of "Musical styles" should probably be removed outright, and the two paragraphs that precede it should be significantly trimmed and probably rewritten. There is indeed a lot of use of interviews, but that's fine. Just try to describe LiSA moreso than copying how she describes her own songs. That being said, I think the first paragraph of the "Career" section was vastly better before Drmies trimmed it, so it goes both ways. Lastly, and probably trivially, I think "After moving to Tokyo" looks better than simply "In Tokyo". ~Mable (chat) 11:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I, uhm, was just reminded that WP:CANVAS may apply to my comment above, so... I'm not sure what to do about that. I'd like to hear more opinions, anyway... ~Mable (chat) 11:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Discord and other back-channels should not be used for determining WP article content, or other matters here. We have talk pages for a reason. See also WP:FACTION, WP:SHAMCON, WP:MEAT, WP:NOT#ADVOCACY, etc., etc. Transparency is important here, and trust erodes when there's any perception of a clique exerting control over article content. I've seen pretty nasty messes arise from that, despite good intentions.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am fully aware about the transparency issues. I hope my two cents came through without being too distorted, and I won't be involved in this discussion much further. I hope such a thing won't happen again, of course. ~Mable (chat) 13:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with tweaking the paragraphs based on the original. The influences paragraph is fine, but it'd be good to know what kind of voice she has when she sings as with Kelly Clarkson#Voice and musical style and Taylor Swift#Artistry, the latter of which covers influences, musical style, and song writing. Does she have a vast vocal range or use a lot of production in her singles? The stuff about the colors is more of a theme and could go under the songwriting paragraph. Describing her own songs is okay but it can be detailed in the appropriate album or single articles if available. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:59, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with most of what Maplestrip amd AngusWOOF are saying, other than an over-reliance on, or over-reporting of the details of, interview materials isn't appropriate. WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:PRIMARYSOURCE have pretty strict limits in actual practice. It's good for who an artists' claimed influences have been, and what their artistic intent is – but the latter should be well within WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE bounds; WP isn't a blog for expounding on an artists' inspirations, or the trivial details of particular works. Self-sourcing is not usuable for musical styles, genre classifications, vocal range (especially in the age of Autotune!), etc.; that's all analysis – which must come from independent, reliable sources. PS: I agree "After moving to Tokyo" is more informative (in at least two ways).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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What is LiSA's acronym 「Love is Same All」?

Hello. I'm japanese and please forgive my poor English.

「better known by her stage name LiSA (an acronym of Love is Same All),」 This article's acronym is very lies. Where is reference and evidence? 「Love is Same all」 is old band name Including LiSA and this band is dissolving from solo debut. Not acronym. 「A acronym」 is a big lies and mistake and it is an insult to her.

True root is Risa(Her Name) to LiSA(Musian Name) and LiSA to Love is Same All (old band) and LiSA to Love is Smile Always(Live Name) and other is [L... i... S... A...]. Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.

For more information is Japanese Wikipedia[1]. Japanese fans are disappointed with many lies that was neglected for many years.

Thanks.

  1. ^ https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiSA
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