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Why is my article not notable enough

My article war reviewed as not notable enough?

My article (wikipedia.org/wiki/draft:JackSucksAtLife) was denied because it wasnt notable, however youtubers with 250k subs have been considered notable? Welikepizza33 (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welikepizza33 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. YouTube subscriber numbers are not relevant towards establishing notability. A person can have 5 billion followers and not be notable, and can have 5 followers and be notable. Viewership/subscriber numbers are easily gamed(it is not hard to register more than one account, or watch a video more than once). What matters is if the subject receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You offered no independent sources at all. This person needs to be written about in the news or other similar sources in order to merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

The subject himself seems to have offered up an apology [1] for (inadvertently) inciting his subscribers to vandalize Wikipedia. He even recognizes that he doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:NYOUTUBE. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Making a table more presentable

Dear fellow Wikipedians, In response to my queries about creating a table, I got the procedure to create a simple table. Now my queries are for making it more professional... 1) In a sortable table containing "Total", how to keep the last row out of the purview of sorting ? 2) Regarding alignment... putting the code "align= center" for each cell. Is there any other way ? 3) How to format the numbers, so that the numbers are sorted properly..... Thanks in advance.. Cheers

Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anupamdutta73. You can add data-sort-type="number" | in column headers for number columns, and class="sortbottom" in rows which should always sort at the bottom. I did that in [2]. See more at Help:Sorting. You can center every cell in a table with style="text-align: center;" in the table start like at Help:Table#Cells spanning multiple rows or columns. But then you have to add other alignment to every cell which shouldn't be centered. There is no command to align every cell in a column. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Badges earned

Hi fellow Wikipedians, Where can I view the badges I earned? Also how can I put them in my user page ? Thanks in advance Anupam Dutta (talk) 07:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

If you'd been awarded anything that might be called a badge, then it, or notification of it, would appear on your user talk page. I don't see any there, so I'd guess that you haven't yet been awarded any. If you'd like to be awarded something or other, you'd better be very careful with your typing, more careful than you were in this edit. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

You can put Userboxes on your User page. See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries for list. Editors may put Barnstars on your Talk page in recognition of your accomplishments (we do not self-award Barnstars). David notMD (talk) 12:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Anupamdutta73, you can give yourself a service award. It's based purely on your edit count and length of service; it does not reflect the quality of your edits or level of authority. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Membership

May I please know how I may be able to gain membership of Wiki projects?PNSMurthy (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no ultimate answer to this, it depends on the WikiProject you want to participate in. In most cases, WikiProjects are open to anyone, but you can ask at its talkpage. 217.68.167.73 (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!PNSMurthy (talk) 08:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please guide me

Hello , can anyone please guide me , how I can edit better then previous, so that I can be better wikipedian and contribute more. Thanks Bijoyonline30 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bijoyonline30! A few things you could do to improve your editing is:

1. Take part in The Wikipedia Adventure. This is a fun guide which teaches you about editing and how to improve.

2. Keep editing! You seem to have a good edit record, which definitely helps. Continuing with your editing will improve your confidence, style, and it will teach you about how to effectively collaborate with other editors - something which is key on Wikipedia.

3. Read about editing. Here are a couple pages that could help you: WP:YFA (on creating articles), WP:MOS (how to write like an encyclopedia) and Help:Intro (a short tutorial on editing).

Hope this helps, Giraffer (munch) 09:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Giraffer! , Thank you for helping me. It is really helpful.

Changing of article name

Please, I wanna change the name of this article 2020 SAFF Championship to 2021 SAFF Championship for the tournament has been postponed, is it possible for me to change it or should I just wait for the creator of the article to do so?? Thanks Josedimaria237 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Josedimaria237! Articles shouldn't be moved (renamed) until consensus has been reached at the article's talk page. If you want to rename the article, start a discussion on the talk page and see if people agree. Hope this helps! Giraffer (munch) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Giraffer Thanks so much, I've done so.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 12:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to make my content not promotional

Hi everyone,

I am creating a content for my company in Wikipedia. @Amkgp was very nice to me and suggested me to ask for help in this friendly space. Can anyone help me editing my content please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:KOBIL_Systems

I would really appreciate your help. Thank you Nerilda Meda (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Nerilda Meda! On Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself. Your best option is probably to request assistance at WP:EAR. For more info on writing about yourself (in this case your company) see WP:YOURSELF. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 09:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Nerilda Meda (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, if you are editing about your company, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to read and formally comply with the paid editing policy and declare that status. You should also review conflict of interest. You seem to have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves or what they do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, even within the same field. "Significant coverage" is coverage that goes beyond brief mentions, press releases, announcements of routine business transactions or simple actions taken by a company, staff interviews, or other primary sources. That coverage must be in-depth with the source choosing on their own to write about your company(as in not republishing a press release). It is usually very difficult for people in your position to succeed in writing about their own companies. In order to succeed, you would need to forget everything you know about your company and everything on its website, and only write based on the content of independent sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that you must comply with PAID, meaning declaring your paid relationship on your User page. And I agree with the reviewer who declined the submittal that the Founder section should be removed, as the draft is about the company, not about him. Lastly, I restored the Declined template, as that should not have been removed. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Giraffer and @David notMD for your comments and help! The text was written by an external copywriter after providing him all the necessary primary sources, to avoid the subjective writing part. Since the beginning I have added the paid code like was described in a document, do you think I have added wrong? Of course I can skip the founder paragraph if it is problematic. Thank you for your suggests, hopefully I will be able to publish it neutral and in the correct way. Nerilda Meda (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I do not see a declaration of PAID on your User page. Once you have done that, an editor will remove the undeclared paid tag from the top of the draft. Removing all that information on the founder is a good step. Removing that may have removed ref "b", so a ref repair is needed. What remains to be seen is whether there are enough independently written published citations about the company to qualify for Wikipedia's concept of notability. Many of the paragraphs have no refs. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David, can you please send me that code and I will add it again exactly in the way you will show me, so I know can´t be wrong. That would be really nice from your part. I already removed the founder paragraph. And now I am checking the refs part. Thanks! I really appreciate it. Nerilda Meda (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I put a paid disclosure on your User page and removed the unpaid tag from the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I have no words to thank you David, I really appreciate it. Thank you! Nerilda Meda (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.

If you can please help me with the list of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariomtsingh (talk • contribs) 15:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hariomtsingh: You already asked that at the Reference Desk (which was the right place to seek information if you can't use a web browser to find stuff), so there's really no need to ask here, too. The Teahouse is a place to get help editing Wikipedia, not finding information from it. Good luck in your search. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

For those interested: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing#List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.. --CiaPan (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Douala Bell Family

I have been asked to add Stephane N'ko Douala Bell to Wikipedia as he is the heir of the Douala Bell family and also a Canadian musician who goes by Sty-Low, however, I am facing issues. I hope I can get help 2607:FEA8:34A0:AF:38AE:E008:8F25:101B (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Are you the editor Khrysvic? That editor asked a nearly identical question at the Wikipedia:Help desk [3]. If this is you, please remember to log in before editing, and limit your question to one forum. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talk • contribs) 16:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Individual editing of sections on my Talk page has been disabled

Oh Great Teahouse folks, forgive me as I have sinned and I can not figure out how to do the proper Wikipedia act of contrition.

Somehow, when I want to edit my Talk page I can not edit an individual section but can only edit the entire page. Somehow I have managed (more like stumbled on to) shut off individual section editing.

How can I fix my talk page so I can edit just one section rather than the entire page? Is there a switch that is set somewhere or is there some magic markup language that needs to be included?

Osomite (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! You have done all kinds of weird things to your talk page, including arranging for the Table of Contents to appear in the 14th section and tilted at an angle, and arranging for the individual sections not to be editable. It has been that way for at least two months. If you've forgotten how you did it, you could use the page's edit history to step back a month at a time until you find which month you made the critical edit, then narrow it down further until you find exactly how you did it. Maproom (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

The tilted TOC was done with the HTML code <div style="-moz-transform:rotate(-4deg);-webkit-transform:rotate(-4deg); transform:rotate(-4deg);">__TOC__ <br> </div>, and i would advise you to remove that, Osomite and let the normal automatic ToC display. I don't see what has disabled section editing, but there is a lot of markup on that page. There are also quite a few things which ideally do not belong on a user talk page but on a user page or on a user sub-page such as my tools page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Osomite: Fixed by [4]. Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-snippet was adding __NOEDITSECTION__ at all transclusions before. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of Template in my user page

Dear fellow Wikipedians, Two templates, <<Novice Editor>> and <<User WP West Bengal>> not working in my user page. But the same code working superfine in my Sandabox... Please help..... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Anupamdutta73, your sandbox is on Wikipedia. But your userpage that you are trying to edit is at meta, a different website altogether. Try creating a local userpage here, and the templates should work fine. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: In other words, the default meaning of a [[Example]] or {{Example}} link when in a page on English Wikipedia (this site) is to link to the page in the main (article) namespace named Example or transclude the page Template:Example, respectively. Similarly, on a page on meta, they link to meta:Example and transclude the page meta:Template:Example, which could be entirely different. While you can wikilink to another wiki, transcluding a template from another wiki does not seem to be supported (i.e., {{:meta:Example}} doesn't work), somewhat understandably, as templates tend to use some of the more in-depth features of the wiki software. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I see you have now created a local user page User:Anupamdutta73. meta:User:Anupamdutta73 is your Wikipedia:Global user page. It is automatically displayed as user page at all wikis at Special:CentralAuth/Anupamdutta73 where you haven't created a local user page. The global user page can only use templates at meta and is still displayed at many wikis so you may want to remove the missing templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Removal of multiple Issues

Ronald Hugh Barker

I was pleased and surprised to receive a B rating for my first article. It only took a day or so to be accepted. I'm very impressed with the response. A big thank you to all the editors that have looked at it and made edits to clean it up to acceptable standards, I am most grateful. I thought the article was neutral and met the required WP:MOS standards but apparently it hasn't.

• Q1) Does the article continue through a process of checking by editors who then when satisfied remove the ! or does the author do this?
• Q2) R H Barker has been categorised as an Irish scientist. Although born in Ireland both parents were English and he lived and worked in England for all his adult life. Would be acceptable to categorised under English Scientists as well as Irish?
• Q3) How do I add an info box? Is this where a summary is given under and within the top photo? Windswept (talk) 18:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Barkercoder and thanks for your work on the article.

1. A maintenance tag, such as {{Copy edit}} is the opinion of one editor that the article has an issue that should be addressed. Any good-faith editor may fix the issue, or review the article and conclude that the issue does not apply, and remove the tag. If there is any question, or the editor is comparatively inexperienced, it is often better to start a discussion on the article talk page (in this case Talk:Ronald Hugh Barker) before removing a tag, particularly on rt=the grounds that no changes were needed. One can ping the editor who added to tag to join such a discussion.
2. Categorization is often a judgement call, particularly in the complex matter of nationalities of people from the British Isles. This could also be discussed on the article talk page, or one could just boldly add the additional category. There is no rule against doing so.
3. See {{infobox person}}, {{Infobox scientist}}, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes for possible infobox templates and how to use them. Note that an infobox is never required. Many articles use them, and many editors like them. Each has its particular parameters and usage, which must be followed if using that box.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Barkercoder. I recommend that you read about the neutral point of view and remove all non-neutral language like the words "gifted" and "committed" and "erratic" and "excelled" and "keen", all of which I found in the lead section. Please see Template:Infobox scientist for the coding that you can use for an infobox. I think that the English scientist category is fine. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I quite agree with Cullen328 here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congrats for getting this accepted. Need work, including some of the refs that are just URLs, and sections of text that have no references, and removing all of the subjectivity mentioned already. You can continue to work to improve it, and some other editor can decide when the tags are no longer warranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 18:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

permalinks

I know how to do peramlinks. I want to show the instructions for creating a permalink to a new editor. I could not find it in the documentation. Does anyone know where it is? --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC) --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Welcome to Wikipedia. There are some instructions and examples at Help:Permanent_link. Does that help? RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David Tornheim, Help:Permanent link? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Does WP:OLDID give you what you seek for making a permalink? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Those will work. I see why I didn't find it. I was searching under WP: rather than HELP:. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

additional information

Additional information for inclusion: Rochelle Owens American poet external links 2601:41:4000:D50:19E2:A066:2D97:E00D (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, could you elaborate? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

We are very smart here, but our mindreading has its limits. I assume this has to do with Rochelle Owens#External links which has three entries there already. If something is missing, be bold!. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to add Van der Meer with brief information From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am new here and would like to understand how to add a name to the page on the Van Der Meer Last name. Please excuse me and accept my apology if I have not written this the way it should be.The link to the page I need assistance with is below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Meer Onevandermeer (talk) 19:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Onevandermeer, Hello! Does the Van Der Meer you want to add have a WP-article in english or some other language? If not, it's doubtful the name should be added. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

At that list, most of the names are blue, meaning that there is an existing Wikipedia article about that person, but a few are red. These mean that at least one editor thought that this person warranted an article in English, but had not been written yet. The small print in brackets indicates that articles exist in other languages. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Article ready for publication

Hi ! My article, "Alphabetical List of Districts of India" is now ready for publication... Special mention must be for AlanM1 who helped me a lot...Can somebody do the needful... Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Is that the text now at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020? Anupamdutta73. Or if it is somewhere else, could you please provide a wiki-link top it? If it is the list linked above, it seems to be entirely unsourced. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

FYI, User: Anupamdutta73, List of districts in India already exists.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

This looks like it could be a valid fork from List of districts in India, since it's so long. It's too bad that there's not an easy way to put this into an underlying relational database, so it could be updated in once place and then fed to the two articles where this info will sit. Example: the sandbox content above, and List of districts of Andhra Pradesh, for the 13 districts in Andra Pradesh. But that's probably a discussion for the village pump and article talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear my fellow Wikipedians, I thank you all sincerely for reviewing my draft.... I am putting forward the following arguments / clarifications for your suggestions.
1. The draft is at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020

2. Bolding issue - I have done the corrections. 3. India is a country with 36 divisions (28 States & 8 Union Territories) as of now. They are further divided into 739 districts..., The article List of Districts of India covers the topic quite well, covering State/ Union Territories wise.
My article is placing them together, so can be sorted for rankings. This will be put as a separate article, but linked with the above article. 4. Now there are 2,220 cells with numbers (3 columns for 739 districts + 1 row for summation). Add to this, Sl no. & Dist. Sl. No. - 1,478 columns.... Total columns with numbers come to 3,698.. So I have not formatted them. Similarly, there is no link to anywhere, as I want to keep the table simple.. Waiting for your valuable feedbacks. Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Comments moved to sandbox talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Confusion creating new articles

Hi. I created two articles. One was sent to the approval queue saying it may take six weeks to be approved, while a second article immediately got accepted and is now published and viewable. What's the deal?

The articles are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gessius_of_Petra

Ahmed Suidani

- Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al. The deal is that Wikipedia is staffed by volunteers like yourself, who work on what they choose, when they choose to. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind waiting. But one of the article didn't go to any queue. It immediately got published without being approved. I expected a message but it was instantly on wikipedia. So I got confused. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Domna Ba'al! From what I can tell from your edithistory [5], it's because you created the draft as a WP:DRAFT, but the article as an article. You are WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, so you can do that. At some point a WP:REVIEWer will look at the article and judge if it belongs in articlespace. Does that help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll read these links, thanks. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al, and welcome to teh Teahouse. You chose to create Ahmed Suidani directly in the main article space, with no review by a more experienced editor. Any autoconfirmed user may do that, at the risk that all Wikipedia's content policies apply fully and at once, and the page may be put up for deletion by any of several methods for any of several sorts of reasons. If it isn't, no problem. On the other hand, you chose to create Draft:Gessius of Petra in draft space, and submit it for review under the articles for creation project. This means that an experienced editor will review the draft, and either approve it, or give feedback indicating the problems (rather than simply nominate for deletion) if the draft is not acceptable as an article. The disadvantage is that due to the backlog, it may be several weeks or more before such a review takes place. Reviewers work on whatever drafts they choose, not first-come, first-served, so the wait time is not predictable. Note also that until a member of the New page Patrol reviews Ahmed Suidani, it will not be indexed by Google and other search engines. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

When an article is created directly, without going through the draft and review process, there is no approval and so no notification o9f approval. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you. Next time I will use the draft and wait since the articles aren't time sensitive. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Julia Domna Ba'al: Two comments: Though it is not indexed by external search engines, like all pages, it is searchable by Wikipedia's search. Also, I believe you do receive a notification when an article you create is "patrolled", though I think it's just that – there's no feedback about any issues that are part of the notification process – you may have to watchlist the article/talk page for changes (which normally happens anyway for articles you edit) in order to comments, templates, changes, etc., if the other editors don't choose to ping you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Finding (and adding) copyright of municipal flag

I got very lost down the Wikipedia rabbithole and ended up editing the page for Janesville, Wisconsin. The flag initially on the page was extremely small, so I uploaded the better quality version from the city's website. I didn't know what the copyright was but had assumed that it was alright, seeing as there was an image of the flag before. Now I've gotten a message to add the copyright but I've got no idea how to find or input it. I also have the suspicion that I didn't upload the flag correctly. Any guidance? Apellosine (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Apellosine. I think you made an unfortunate mistake in copying and uploading this image from a website. Basically, never do that unless you are clear on the licencing of that image (Creative Commons for commercial re-use). Had you looked at the original image (File:Flag of Janesville, Wisconsin.gif) you might have noticed the "non-free use" licence statement which stated: "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. (See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos for more information). So, by uploading an image larger than we might legitimately need, you've gone against our rules. But don't worry about it - just let time play out and it will be deleted within the week. A lesson learned is a new skill for next time! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Rather than wait for it to be deleted, and leaving a redlink in the article, I put the old flag image back. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: thanks. I thought their addition had been subsequently reverted, but I see I was mistaken. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Messages Question

We know that there are a large number of different welcome messages that an editor can provide for a new editor, some of which have to do with editors who have made various problem edits. However, is there a welcome message that can be provided to an editor whose only edits have been to submit a draft that is not in English? Based on the name of the draft and on a few links in the draft, which are places in Albania, I am guessing that the draft is in the Albanian language, which I believe is an Indo-European language that is not closely related to any other Indo-European language. How should I welcome this user? Oh yes. Should I suggest that they might want to edit the Albanian Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

By the way, the user is Engi99. Does anyone know Albanian? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Welcomeen-sq? -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Is 'sq' the language code for Albanian language? So would that be 'fr' for French, etc.? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes: see ISO 639-1. -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Difference between "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes"

Hi, Im new trying to contribute to Wikipedia, and realizing I have SO MUCH to learn and it's overwhelming. At the bottom of the sandbox are these three options: "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes" (and Cancel)

(which also seem to be the options at the bottom of a real draft not in a userspace sandbox??)

My question is what happens when you choose the different options. I accidently published a draft prematurely just trying to save a draft to continue to work on. I do not want to make that mistake, but would like to learn how to navigate a draft of an article safely instead of in Word on my computer.

If I choose "Show Changes" will that save the changes, yet NOT publish it? Because I know it is not ready and do not want it to get shot down while its in process.

Thank you RacheleWrites (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RacheleWrites and welcome to the Teahouse.

1. The "Publish Page" button simply saves the edit from the edit box to the current page. It does not publish a draft of sandbox to the main encyclopedia. It id the only button that saves any edit. It used tom be called 'Save Edit" (or "save changes" but it was changed to make it clear that any saved edit was publicly visible, as all Wikipedia pages are publicly visible. It causes lots of confusion and i wish i could change it back.
2. "Show Preview" displays what the page or section would look like if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment (with a few exceptions, some constructions do not preview perfectly. (For example named refs defined outside the current section.) It does not save any changes.
3. "Show Changes" displays in Diff format the changes that would be saved if if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment. It helps one keep track of what has and has not been done in the current editing session. It does not save any changes.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@RacheleWrites: In other words, the only way to save a page that you edit on Wikipedia is that Publish button. The general location of a page within the Wikipedia filesystem (the "namespace") determines what kind of page it is. There are three namespaces relevant to this issue: If it is in your personal part of "User" namespace, like User:RacheleWrites/John Smith or User:RacheleWrites/sandbox, while it is accessible to other Wikipedia editors, they will generally leave it alone while you work on it (with the exception of policy problems, like copyright violations).

An article in "Draft" namespace, like Draft:Chief Sielu, may get more attention by other editors, but generally in the form of either minor tweaks for style issues or comments on the talk page. Neither User nor Draft articles are part of the encyclopedia proper for use by general readers, and should not appear in external search engines or forks/mirrors (though it does happen – nothing we can do about that).

Lastly, there is the "article space" or "mainspace", which is the encyclopedia proper, and consists of the pages with no "Namespace:" prefix, like Sweatpants or Michael Douglas, which are collaboratively edited and closely monitored by bots and editors, and expected to be articles suitable for the encyclopedia readers at large, copying by forks, etc. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

When will my page be published?

Hi! I'm new to Wiki so I'm sorry if my question is straightforward or obvious. I created a page for a poet named Simon Pettet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annasordjan?action=edit) but I don't know how to check when it will be live or if I need to change anything. Annasordjan (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Usually a day or so. Sometimes less. In my experience, it has taken a few hours.PNSMurthy (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan was a userspace draft. I have therefore moved it to User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet a more appropriate place for a user space draft.

Your user page, User:Annasordjan should be for a description of yourself as a Wikipedia editor. It may contain to-do lists, lists of articles or pages worekd on or created, achievements, useful links, brief biographical detail about yourself (but not an autobiography), quotes, freely licensed images, views on Wikipedia policy, and/or other relevant content. Or you may leave it blank. see our guideline on user pages.

There is, in my view, still work to be done on User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet. Wikipedia only has articels on notable people and topics. See our guideline for the notability of authors. Normally there must be multiple independent published reliabel sources, each of which discusses the topic is some detail. See also Wikipedia's golden rule and Your First Article. Referencing for Beginneers is also helpful.

Articles must also be neutral. They should not make any judgements or express any opinions, positive or negative. They may, however, report opinion made by others in cited sources.

Make sure that each source cited is reliable. Most blogs are not reliable, for example. Then use the sources. It is not enoguh to cite a review --quote from it to show the critical reaction, positive or negative.

When you think you are ready, click the blue button to submit your draft for review.

I hope this advice is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I fear that i must disagree with PNSMurthy's comments above, Annasordjan. The page will not be published as an article until after you click the blue "Submit" button, and then the review may take anywhere from a day to 6-8 weeks or more. Then there may well be changes needed and a re-review. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan. Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you have done what many new editors do, and launched straight into possibly the most difficult task in editing Wikipedia: I liken creating a new article to playing a piano concerto: you can make a stab at it after your first piano lesson, but you are likely to have much disappoinment and frustration unless you put in the time learning the instrument first. I recommend spending a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. The problem - as with almost all new editors who try - is that you didn't start by finding independent sources. It's not what you know about him, or what he has said, done, or published, that go into the article: it's what people who aren't his friends or associates have published about him that matters, and that should form the basis of almost the whole article. None of your current references is independent in that way - though actually, some of the reviews and essays might be. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source

What counts as a reliable source? I am trying to add information to a living persons page about a podcast they host and my changes keep getting removed because I haven’t cited a reliable source. I tried a primary source (the apple podcasts page for the show) and got deleted. What sort of source do I need to use? Lauragrossman (talk) 04:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Lauragrossman, Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for asking the question. Reliable sources are the references that are reliable in nature, independent, non-biased and are published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Please visit the following link WP:RELIABLE to know more. To get more clarity please go through reliable source examples. Happy editing. ~ Amkgp 💬 05:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's so much a question of reliability, Lauragrossman, as independence. Apple is a PRIMARY source, which can only be used in limited ways. Also, articles should not use evaluative words like "success" unless they are directly quoting an independent reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

not wated

some one is useing messenger under ny faebook page and sending messages to my friend list its my facebook picture but not me sending the messages how do I stop this? Mwofb (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mwofb. The Teahouse is for questions and answers and discussions about editing Wikipedia. We cannot answer questions about using Facebook or other social media platforms. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mwofb: You need to contact Facebook's support people. The most obvious answer, if they're really using your account, is to change your Facebook account password (to one that is not so easily guessed). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Sending a WikiLove

I want to send a WikiLove to a user. Can I directly post a Barnstar/message on his/her talk-page, or is it preferable to go through that "Heart" icon?? I am getting trouble to adjust image pixel though that "Heart" icon, that's why I am thinking to post a direct message to the talk-page. बृहस्पति (talk) 05:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

बृहस्पति, Both are allowed and acceptable. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 05:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting an article process

Hello everyone!

I'm looking for someone to write an article for the company I work for, Wejo, who partner with automotive manufacturers to organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations.

I'm unable to write the article myself due to conflict of interest, but I have submitted a request with a description and included multiple independent, reliable sources. Here is the link:

Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology

I've also posted a request on the talk pages of WikiProjects related to the topic (Automotive, Technology and Transport).

Firstly, I wanted to check if I have followed the process correctly? Also, is someone able to provide me with an idea of how long this process can take please?

Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Wejoltd. (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: Two problems here:

• Your username is that of a company. Wikipedia doesnt allow company usernames, usernames assigned to a role ("CEO at SomeCompany") or usernames otherwise indicating that they are shared by multiple people
• Since you work for the company, you have to do the more strict Paid Contribution disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement (section 4). 217.68.167.73 (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

From what it sounds like he isn't editing the article on his company, that's why he requested it and didn't make it himself so he doesn't need to disclose paid editing so long as he isn't editing the article. Giraffer (munch) 08:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but requesting an article be written rarely works. Wejoltd (wejo Ltd) has a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if either abandons or changes current User name, declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation. However, a quick search found no potential references about this 2013-founded company, so this may be a case of 'too soon' or 'never'. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I've submitted a change of username request having realised my mistake, which I am waiting to be actioned. I have included 9 references as part of my request Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology - are these the type of references required? They are from independent and reliable sources, so I thought these were acceptable. If this isn't the case, can you provide some examples of what is required please? When you say we have 'a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if...declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation' who would I work with in order to create the article through Articles for Creation? I'm happy to explore paid options, but unsure of how I enlist someone to do this. Wejoltd. (talk) 09:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What I meant is that YOU are the paid person, and once you have a new User name, will need to declare this on your User page. Help:Your first article explains how to use the Article Wizard to create and submit to AfC. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wejoltd. It looks to me as if the first reference might be usable. All of the rest are either just passing mentions or based on press releases. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves. The requirement is that several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish material about the subject, without including material that comes from the subject; and that between them they have said enough to form the basis of a reasonable article. I strongly suspect that it is WP:TOOSOON for Wejo.

As for getting somebody to work with you: I advise you very strongly against paying anybody. Paid editors are tolerated here, but many editors dislike the practice. Personally I make a distinction between somebody like yourself that wants to have an article about their company, and somebody who is writing Wikipedia articles for pay. I will help the former (though I often try to help by dissuading them!) I am unwilling to spend any unpaid time helping the latter - and if they claim to guarantee that they can get an article up, they are lying or uninformed. Otherwise, you need to enlist a volunteer - which means you have to find somebody interested enough to take it on: presenting the best three references in your Requested Article with more than just a link or a URL, but with title, date, and who published it, may make that more attractive to somebody. Your best bet is probably to find an appropriate WikiProject, and ask for a collaborator there.

You should also be aware that if an article on Wejo is written and accepted, it will not belong to you, you will not control the contents, and your role in maintaining it will be limited to suggesting changes on the article's talk page. See WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Again, your working for wejo does not preclude you creating an article. SeeUser:Nerilda Meda for an example of how to declare paid. You can click on Edit at the top of that page, copy the content, paste it to your (new) User page, change the company name to your company name, then click on Publish changes at the bottom. In answer to one of your original question, once you have created a draft and submitted it to AfC, typically days to weeks before it is reviewed, but can be months (there is a huge backlog, and it is not a queue). David notMD (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: The thing is, though, it's hard to write a new Wikipedia article from scratch, especially on a platform with which you are not familiar, complying with the Manual of Style, making sure it is not promotional in tone or intent (phrases like organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations are pretty clearly marketing-speak), citing sources properly, finding those reliable and independent sources, etc. This is intentional, again because of WP:NOTPROMO – it's just not what Wikipedia is about. It's much better if one of our thousands of experienced editors and article authors someday reads a magazine or newspaper article about a company or its products, says to themself "I've been hearing a lot about these guys", sees there is no Wikipedia article for it, and decides to invest the time and energy to produce one, free of COI entanglements and bias. That's the ideal. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

guideline

Hi I am totally new to wikipedia. Kindly provide me with a link saying how to start and what to do.

Bests Saeed Philsouphian (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saeed Philsouphian and welcome to the Teahouse - I will post you some links where you can start on your talk page. Enjoy. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Wondering if anyone can help make this removed article compliant please?

Hi there and thanks for reading my post. An article about me (Shed Simove) was recently deleted after being up for many years. Would someone be able to help me get it reinstated so that it wholly complies with Wikepdia's policies please? Thank you in advance. IdeasMan123 (talk) 09:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

IdeasMan123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It was recently deleted as being wholly promotional. Two other versions were deleted many years ago as copyright violations and being unreferenced. In order for there to be an article about you, you would need to be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Note that Wikipedia has no interest in aiding search results for you or in aiding your career; we're just here to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :331dot. Please can you suggest a way to reinstate the article so that it's not deemed promotional? Everything on it was factual. Would it be possible for you or someone else you could point me to, to reinstate the article with any changes necessary please? And I hope I pass the notability test - some of the outside sources are here: https://shedsimove.com/image/tid/10 Thank you for your time and knowledge.

How to add edit counter template

Dear fellow Wikipedians, How do I add the edit counter template in my user page ? Also I am using Chrome Lite in a android phone. Wikipedia says that browser is not recognised. Why is it so ? Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 09:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Anupamdutta73. I am unclear which template you are referring to, so could you post a link to it, please? I wasn't aware that there was an edit counter template, apart from Template:User Edit Count, plus the one you already have on your userpage which shows how long you've been editing here for. You are obviously managing to edit this page OK, so my recommendation would be always to do complicated tasks using WP:Source Editor, as here. Trying to add templates with Visual Editor never seems that simple, to me. Thirdly, make sure you are displaying Wikipedia in 'Desktop' mode and not in 'mobile view'. There is a very small link to switch between the two right at the very bottom of every page. I use a tiny iPhone to edit from, but find mobile view only good for reading pages, and definitely not for editing them. Let us know the 'edit counter' link you are referring to, and do tell us how you get on. Sorry you'v e had to wait so long for a response. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyes, Thanks for your reply... Firstly I agree mobile is best for reading.. Now about the "Edit Counter", the edit details that are displayed under "User Contributions" , I want to put in my user page.. Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I haven't used it, but User:UBX/LiveEditCounter might do what you want. Note that you have to install the "importScript..." line in your User:Anupamdutta73/common.js script. No idea whether it works on mobile. There's something to be said for the fact that most of the userboxes related to edit counts are actually about WP:Editcountitis. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: P.S.: I found balance by getting my counts from XTools edit counter once a month and manually updating my user page, ignoring it the rest of the time. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I can't see any way (or indeed any reason why ) you could put all your user contributions on your userpage. As suggested above, you could check your edit counts every so often, and then maybe post a Service Award there to indicate your tall ([https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Anupamdutta73 300 edits to date). If, when you've been around Wikipedia a lot longer, you want to get really into the merits of your contributions, see how you do with this lot:

Anupamdutta73 (talk · contribs · logs · block log · page moves · count · edit summaries · non-automated edits · articles created · BLP edits · AfD votes · XfD votes · admin score (beta) · no prior RfA)

-that should give you something to work on! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Paul Dooley filmography

Paul Dooley is uncredited for his role in the Modern Family episode "Dead On A Rival" that aired in 2020. My source is the IMBD 63.131.219.224 (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You should go to Talk:Paul Dooley and make your suggestion there. (I was about to add "Don't rush: IMDB isn't reliable and therefore isn't taken seriously within Wikipedia; you'll need to cite a better source." However, I notice that the long lists in that article are completely unsourced, so I'm no sure what advice I could give with a clear conscience and a straight face.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:OSE? We have a lot of uncited junk that should be cited or slashed. OP: It shouldn't be hard to find an entertainment reporter that mentioned it in some newspaper or magazine article if it's significant. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Unable to submit edit

I’ve Gotten all the way to “Publish” but am stuck in a maddening cycle of having the CAPTCHA reset endlessly, but with no explanation of why. MSW,JP (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

MSW,JP, welcome to the Teahouse! could you tell us which article you're trying to edit? It may be protected from editing to prevent vandalism. Thank you! All the best, -- puddleglum^2.0 15:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: see also Special:Captcha which suggests that issues adding unacceptable links can cause problems. You've clearly managed to post here, so that's a start! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: Make sure you've disabled any sort of script/ad-blocker – they can interfere with captchas. Are you sure there are no error messages on the page that you're missing (like an edit filter message about links mentioned above)? Also, if your work is significant, copy and paste it into a local file on your computer so you don't lose it while you search for a solution. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:11, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

In my experience (but I seem to be unlucky with this kind of thing) the Captcha can re-present itself endlessly, even when you have given the correct answer. You shouldn't assume, just because the Captcha sets another puzzle, that you got the previous one wrong. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way, because it's exactly what I did a couple of times early on, when overtired: when you've entered your typed copy of the Captcha puzzle, do NOT click the "Refresh" button next to it! Instead scroll down to the "Publish changes" button and click that. The "Refresh" is only a request for a different Captcha puzzle if you can't read the one presented.

If you weren't making this mistake, my apologies. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.20 (talk) 07:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding sources

Should i add sources of certain chemical. Please see the the talk page of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding_sources Machinexa (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: Please use wikilinks (e.g. [[Pagename]]), not external links (https://something), when linking to wiki pages. Your post is at Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding sources. You might reach a more focused audience if you post links to that talk page post at the relevant WikiProjects. Add something like

Please see [[Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding sources]] regarding adding of sources for that substance. ~~~~

to WT:PHARM and WT:Chemicals. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

adding a new dimension to existing page

How to submit list of previous editors of the Iowa State Daily (1880-2020) on the Iowa State Daily's Wikipedia entry? I am a retired college professor (Journalism) and, for the record, I wanted to create a list of all editors-in-chief of the student paper. Also provide some additional factual information. The whole project runs 17 pages... (I was inspired to submit after looking at how Northwestern University's school newspaper did the same thing. I am submitting my work product to the Iowa State University for its archives, but Wikipedia is more visible. JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC) JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@JTEmmerson: 17 pages sounds like an unsuitable level of detail for a Wikipedia article. I'd suggest discussing it at the talk page of the article, Talk:Iowa State Daily and/or WT:JOURN.

The Daily Northwestern does not have a lit of past editors-in-chief. What it has is a list of people who were student staffers at the paper and later in life had achievements that warranted Wikipedia articles about them (hence their names are in blue). What the Iowa State Daily does need is references, as most of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Currently doing a GA review but the nominator is suffering with personal circumstances

I'm currently doing a GA review on the article Plumb (Field Music album), but the nominee has told me on the review page that they are currently experiencing "personal circumstances" so they have found it hard to find time to edit. What should I do here? Thanks in advance, User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 17:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey @User:Thatoneweirdwikier! Looking at the review, I would say wait a couple more days as they said they would get to it soon. If there are still no improvements made, you could fail the article with a note saying that the nom is still free to work on it and it's nothing personal. They could then renominate it when all your points have been addressed. Ghinga7 (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an Edit War?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! An edit war is when editors keep reverting each other. More information can be found here. Is there a reason you ask? Ghinga7 (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

To move the matter from SANDBOX to DRAFT

I moved the content to sandbox to draft for review. How do I come to know, that it has been properly placed in draft. Is there anyway I can check its perfectly placed in DRAFT. Can someone help. Mythili2020 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mythili2020: You have submitted Draft:Ulaganathan Sankar for review. See the message in the yellow box at the bottom, as well as the comment by another editor at the top. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an edit war?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 Welcome to Teahouse, An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions. For more read WP:EDITWAR . Thank you. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 18:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@User:TheChunky P.S. Pings don't work on IPs. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Correct, Ghinga7, but talkbacks do, and I sent one. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh. Didn't see that. Sorry. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, unregistered editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is when one editor makes a change, another undoes it, the first editor makes the change again, and they go back and forth. It can also involve more than two editors. See this page for details. It is pretty much always a bad idea, even for the editor who is in some sense "right" about what the content should be. It is better to follow bold, revert, discuss and start a discussion on the article talk page without making further reverts. Failing that, call the attention of an uninvolved experienced editor or admin or report at the edit warring noticeboard. There is a specific rule against making more than 3 reverts on the same page in a single day, but any edit warring is bad. Reverting clear vandalism is not edit warring, but if there is any question that the other editor is acting in good faith, that exception does not apply. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with deleting

Hello! I added some documented history to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Fitness and a user keeps deleting it. This person has argued in the talk and does not acknowledge any of the verified information, despite the evidence of links and even a legal document. Is there anything that can be done other than undoing his undoing?

Thanks. K Katherine311MH (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't engage in an edit war by continuing to add the deleted edits. If you can't get consensus at the talk page, then follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 18:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Disagreeing is not harassing. The two of you are verging on an edit war. Both of you have properly moved the discussion to the Talk page, but clearly continue to disagree. RudolfRed recommended the proper next step. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have moved on to the next step. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: I'll join the discussion as an impartial third party. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your time. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

New question

How can I have my page republished

hello

I created a page named 'Daniel Pomarede', but this page has disappeared after 3 days; I am from the physics community, and I confirm Daniel Pomarede is a real scientist well known in the community of astronomy.

I am ready to change the text but can you help me, either by improving the text yourself, or by telling me what I must remove or change in the text. Thank you for helping me. Jacques treille (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Your attempt at an article has been moved to Draft:Daniel Pomarede to allow you time to improve it before submitting it for review. David notMD (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Do not submit it yet, as given that it has no references, it surely would be Declined. Also, do not remove tags (it was tagged advertisement-like). If you can achieve proper tone and content, that decision will be up to another editor. David notMD (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

It may be useful for you to read the guidelines described in WP:COISELF. Aldebarium (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jacques treille. For a new editor to try to create an article as the first thing they do is like trying to play a piano concerto after your first music lesson. If you haven't already read Your first article, please do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Understood you are not creating an article about yourself, but rather someone you know professionally. You should state as much on your User page - in effect declaring a conflict of interest. Going forward, avoid writing what you know personally, as all content needs to rest on published sources. David notMD (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a Dispute, where to go?

There is a dispute and it seems all the recourses I am aware of, don't help. The dispute was at the ANI where an editor was blocked after the discussion, then at the blocking Sysops talk page, and at the DRN, and all instances, at least as for now, refuse to make any comment to the content of the dispute. EdJohnston made one for edit warring, but without checking the content of the dispute. The content is still disputed as the article includes a quote that the Kurds should have returned Tell Abyad to the Raqqa Governorate at the time ruled by ISIS, then that they renamed Tell Abyad to Gire Spi instead of just also allowing other languages instead of only the arabic name and also that they imposed a Latin script name instead of one an Arabic script. Latin script is present all over Syria. The editor reverts me if I remove such a phrase and the DRN refuses to comment for 6 days. Where else should I go? The dispute was and is really vivid. Thanks for the help.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, if all options are exhausted regarding admins, ArbCom. See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/ArbCom. Ed6767 talk! 00:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, please be aware that being correct in a content dispute is not a defense against a block for edit warring. There are many alternatives to edit warring and that behavior is prohibited on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

how to make public my hopeful Wikipedia page

Greetings! :) I am new, and probably being totally silly with not knowing, but I have written an article on my User page (I think), I want it to be published for the public to see, but I don't know how? as in the next process? :) I dont know if i have used the wrong bit to write it? any help will be amazing! :) THANKS }} FairlyPuzzled (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:FairlyPuzzled, and welcome to Wikipedia. To answer your question: You're not silly, I still don't know some things, so don't feel bad. I do see the article on your Userpage. This is not the correct place for new article tests; You would probably waant to put it in your sandbox (a copy is already there, so great!) or Draft:(insert name of article). Then, you could have someone review it through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process. However, before you do that, I would suggest you add more Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Then it would probably be ready. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, FairlyPuzzled: Welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a huge beast, and editing it is different from almost any other task you may have met, so don't worry about not understanding it all. I have put a welcome message with some useful resources on your user talk page.

I'm afraid that the task you have undertaken - creating a new article - is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Wikipedia: I liken it to playing a piano concerto, and for a new editor to try it is like playing one after your first music lesson. My suggestion is that you put that project on hold for a while (nobody will touch your draft for at least six months, so you can come back to it later) and get some experience of how Wikipedia works first. We have six million articles, many thousands of which are in desperate need of some TLC. The Community portal has some suggestions of what needs doing. Then when you want to return to your new article, read Help:Your first article.

Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 07:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to unprotect an article?

 DarkerDai (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:DarkerDai and welcome to Wikipedia. Non-admin users can't unprotect pages; however, you can ask for page unprotection here. Alternatively, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page. Which page, in particular, do you want unprotected? Ghinga7 (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm just trying to correct a name but I'm not sure on Wikipedia's policy regarding non-English names.

If an article is protected, you may make an edit request on the article talk page, that an editor with access to the article can review. 331dot (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User level to create articles without approval

Hi! I'm sure there is a tutorial about this, but I can't find it. I want to know how can I create articles without the pending approval, i.e. what can I do to improve my user level in order to reach this. How many edits do I have to do in order to reach it? Many thanks!--Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ocatarinetabelachitchix, Welcome to Teahouse, the feature which allows you write articles without approval is Autopatrolled (click to read more). There is no fixed limit or goal that you have to create this much articles. But as a suggestion you can make at least 25-30 good articles through submission process. And those articles should be well styled, grammatically correct, highly notable and there should be no mistake by which reviewer will reject your any of the articles. Also do some copyedit edit to other articles. It means you have to be experienced user. After that you can apply for Autopatrolled rights through this link. But keep in mind 25-30 articles is not target for this right. That is just suggestion. Admims provide this right after watching over all performance of the users. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• • Autopatrolled status allows you to create articles directly into mainspace without any review. It's not easy to obtain. You can stop going through AfC anytime after you are AUTOCONFIRMED. That being said, it isn't a good idea to create an article in mainspace. It should still be drafted in draftspace and moved to mainspace only after you are certain it passes the notability guidelines. John from Idegon (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ocatarinetabelachitchix, the suggestion given by John from Idegon is also good. After being Autoconfirmed user, you have move your article from Draft to Mainspace. But that will be marked as Not Patrolled or Not reviewed. After that an user at least having Autopatrolled right will review it. After review, the wiki allows search engines to index it. Both suggestions are good for you. Hope you understand. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What can be done to improve Draft:Horace_Edward_Dobbs ?

This article Draft:Horace Edward Dobbs was rejected on notability grounds. I am convinced that the subject is notable, but probably omitted something vital while drafting it. Please I would welcome suggestions that would help in its improvement. There are 40 resources cited in the article, apart from the notes, and some of them are from the BBC (7), New York Times, The Independent, NASA, and other reliable sources. So, definitely, there must be something that I missed, which resulted in it being declined on notability grounds.

For taking out the time to read and respond to this blab from this insignificant earthling, I say thank you, and may it be well with all that domicile in this revolving empyrean orb. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 01:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:EmpyreanOrb! It looks like a lot of the references are to articles written by or on behalf of the subject. I suggest you look at the link the reviewer left you. Ghinga7 (talk) 01:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, Ghinga7. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 02:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The thing to remember, Ghinga7, is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article has said, published, or done: it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject. Of course, those writings will generally include accounts of what the subject has said and done; but it is with the independent accounts that we are concerned, not with the primary sources --ColinFine (talk) 07:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean to ping me or the OP, @User:ColinFine? Ghinga7 (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I meant to ping EmpyreanOrb. My apologies. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Malfunctioning transclution

Hi guys,

When I attempted to transclude a section of my talk page, and when I did transclude it, nothing came up in the transcluded section. I am not sure why this is happening. Could someone please assist me in figuring this out!

Thanks,

PNSMurthy (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, PNSMurthy I am not sure what you were trying to do, or where. Could you please indicate on what page you tried to transclude a section of your talk page. Normally, one can only trasclude an entire page, not a section, except for any parts inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags. Nor is it usually useful to transclude a talk page. Could you please give more details on exactly what you wanted to do, and what you did, and on what page? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @PNSMurthy: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again too!

Never mind anymore. I worked the section out. It may not have been a malfunction. It is not needed, but I would just like to know if there is any template fro this transclusion, so in the future, I may avoid this malfunction - if it is one. Also - may I know if there is any template for deletion, because the article in question (a guide to deletion) merely explained the use of deletion.

Thanks!

PNSMurthy (talk) 03:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

United Macedonian Diaspora article

I have noticed the United Macedonian Diaspora article has been deleted once already and is now pending 2nd nomination for deletion due to apparently not having enough reliable sources. I decided to dig further for sources showing this is a legitimate organization. I made changes to the article and cited numerous books, journals, and reports, including a report by the World Bank, and books/journal publications available on Academia.edu and ProQuest. There seem to be a lot of sources in Greek language books and journals, for which I used Google translate to assist in providing as accurate a translation as possible. This organization is not lacking in reliable sources by any means. All the reliable sources I cited in the article were found in easy Google searches using "United Macedonian Diaspora" academia.edu in the search engine. There are more, which can help confirm their legitimacy.

Did I do a good job in adding reliable sources so that the article is not permanently deleted? Macedonia1913 (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Please be aware that when the notability of a subject is assessed, it's the quality of the sources that matters, not the quantity. Adding references to sources which aren't independent of the subject, or just make passing mention of it, won't help; indeed, it will make it harder for reviewers to find any good sources (if there are any; I didn't find any among the few that I checked). Maproom (talk) 08:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Macedonian Diaspora (2nd nomination). It's up to participants in that discussion to decide whether the topic is notable, and we can't pre-empt the outcome here, Macedonia1913. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Maproom and Cordless Larry. It seems that some editors are misinterpreting WP:SCHOLARSHIP and reliable sources and just deleting my edits. That is why I came here to ask the editors' opinions. Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

How long does it take for an article to be deleted? - I am cleaning up my user space.PNSMurthy (talk) 04:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: Hi, and welcome to the teahouse! If you want to delete pages in your user space, simply copy the code {{db-u1}} and paste it on top of the page that you want to delete. It usually doesn't take very long for an administrator to delete the page. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 04:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I have saved it on my template user page in case it is needed in future!PNSMurthy (talk) 05:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The list of transgender people murdered has been hijacked by transphobic people.

How did we let over 195K in change happen to an article about Transgender people who have been murdered be undone due to "lack of sources" when each listing include at least 2 sources? This is unacceptable. This is a blatant attack on the trans community to erase our struggle. As you can see in the edits, the page has undergone some significant edits during Pride month 2020 targeting transwomen of color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender

Review the edits and see that several people have tried to undo the harm caused. Even HRC, GLADD, the United Nations, and several other organizations agree that people removed were wrongfully removed. I will be exposing this to the press tomorrow. Tbrianware (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tbrianware: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, the 195,000+ removal was done by ClueBot, which is a bot that reverts vandalism and is usually correct. Regarding prior removals: all list entries must be backed up by reliable sources. The motive of the killing must be confirmed by these sources to be because the victim was transgender. If you have any disagreements with the removals, start a discussion at the Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. You can use the {{reply to}} template to notify any involved users that there's a discussion concerning them. Hope this helped clear things up a bit. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

But how??? This is too complicated when Transpeople are being erased by the hundreds... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 07:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, the edit that removed 195,000 bytes from the article didn't remove any sourced content, Tbrianware. It was reverting a previous edit by a now-blocked user, who replaced the entire content with transphobic abuse (the content of this edit is now hidden from non-admins to prevent harm). Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues, but that's not related to the -195,000 edit, and is being discussed at Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Go through the history. Hundreds of people have been systematically removed during June of this year. Slowly and methodically. This MUST be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 15:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I acknowledged that: "Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues". The place to address this is on the article's talk page, not at the Teahouse though. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Trying to make page title and heading

I'm having trouble creating a page title and publishing this page. Can you help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XY04/sandbox XY04 (talk) 06:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you are not able to change the page title of your article draft from "User:XY04/sandbox" until it is moved into the mainspace. If you need any further help with your article, take a look at Help:Your first article. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: May I just point out that, in its present form, your draft would have zero chance of getting published here? Please read this page about 'notable' actors to appreciate that a brief mention of someone's participation in one TV series does not mean they automatically deserve a Wikipedia article about them. You will need to find three or four detailed, independent and in-depth reliable sources that talk about her, or which show she has met our other notability criteria in some way. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC) 

XY04, Nick Moyes is quite correct, this draft needs additional sources and detail before it could be accepted as an article, and it will never be accepted unless Romano can be shown to be notable. There is no need to worry about the page title at this stage. However, if it bothers you, the draft could be moved to User:XY04/Tatsumi Romano at any time. Ganbaruby is not correct that such a change cannot be made before a draft is approved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @XY04: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Factual Vandalism

Hello! I wish to edit the wording of an article given its opinionated writing. I'd like to do it in a manner (using Understrike as a letter format) that exposes the way it was written before as such. Hopefully, in doing so some may also find this laughable. And kind of a distinct form of writing. Would this be ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Hdez H (talk • contribs) 09:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jose Hdez H Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are saying that you want to leave inappropriate information in an article but mark it as such, no, you should not do that. If it's not appropriate for the article, it should be discussed on the article talk page and possibly removed if there is a consensus to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

At articles, clicking on View history (top menu), and then a date in the chronological list of past edits allows viewers to see prior versions of the article. Any editor can also create a discussion on the Talk page of the article to explain changes. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Online reference to A Glossary of Basketball Terms

I am a retired former basketball referee and consultant who writes blogs on Facebook and trying to attempt to write my life story.Can I refer to/use an online link to the Wikipedia Glossary of Basketball Terms, so non-basketball people can get explanations which basketball people do understand? Candobasketball (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• You certainly can link to Glossary of basketball terms or any other article, Candobasketball. Wikipedia's licensing is permissive enough that you may even copy-paste the contents of the article on your own blog/website as long as you attribute the work correctly. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content for details, but a mention such as definition from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms, CC-BY-SA is sufficient.

While you are here, if you happen to notice mistakes in the glossary, please correct them, we are always happy to have insights from expert editors. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding text to Wikipedia

 Andre.Oeltran (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Andre.Oeltran Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there any particular text you want to add? If you would like to learn more about using and editing Wikipedia, you may use the new user tutorial(click that link to go there). 331dot (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on multiple talk pages which reference each other

My goal here is to improve so any specific or general advice would be appreciated. As I'm a fairly new wikipedian I decided that instead of making some changes to the Larry Nassar and related articles I would make a suggestion in the talk pages. This seemed like the best course of action as I hoped somebody could guide me on how best to include this new content. I've only ever really stuck to editing existing content and I've never added content or made moderate changes to articles before. Is this the right thing to do or am I just lacking in confidence? On the talk pages Talk:Larry Nassar, Talk:Athlete A, Talk:USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal I've made multiple suggestions which reference one another and I was unsure how to avoid duplicating the comments. I couldn't find any guidance on cross-referencing talk page discussion. Is there a better way to do this? Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ability to mark personal thoughts/notes/comments

Is there any way to mark/track changes you want to make or are thinking about making in a private manner? Almost like a drafts? In my head it felt like I was looking for a way to highlight/comment like I would personally when I've printed off something to read and understand like a research paper. I might write "Needs rewording". Sometimes when I'm just reading on Wikipedia I'll see issues I just want to flag even though I don't have time to fix them at that moment or even make progress on how to fix them.

Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jclaxp Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Every edit to every page on Wikipedia appears in the Recent Changes feed. If you edit, say, your sandbox just to take notes, it is potentially visible to the public if they see it in the changes feed or otherwise know how to find your sandbox- even though that is not very likely. If you want to write something that is completely private, you should do so off-wiki, like in a word processing or note taking program. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hi, thanks for the response. I have no issue with them being public, but they would be more my own thoughts. So would the sandbox be the way to go then? A note taking program could be helpful but I am only thinking very quickly note that something needs checking for example. I think this would be overkill for me personally. Jclaxp talk 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I use my own Sandbox as a to-do and working-on space, but clean out the stuff I am done with, so that it does not get overlong. Sometimes I will copy a section of an article the there, work on it, then used my revised to replace the section in the article. This allows me to check for referencing errors, spelling, grammar, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Jclaxp Yes, you could use your sandbox for that purpose. You could even create a subpage such as User:Jclaxp/Notes if you wanted to keep your sandbox open to write entire drafts. 331dot (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to integrate into the community

Hello. I am sure it is an unusual occurrence to see someone who has been on Wikipedia for 6 years, here. However, I am going to ask a question I should have asked as a new user. In the grand scheme of things, I do not feel integrated into the community. When I look at the pop music sphere of Wikipedia, the editors around the early 2010s seem to have gotten along and been friendly with each other. But I recently realized that despite my big tenure, I have no friends on Wikipedia. There aren't five people on here I can approach to leave some comments at a lousy FAC. So I guess the main question is, as someone only majorly interested in modern pop music, how am I supposed to find likeminded editors and not feel so alone on here? Is the problem my narcissistic approach? What would be advice you would give to me. Or is my dilemma just a real-life problem I am projecting on Wikipedia? Would be glad to see someone else's take on this. Thanks. NØ 12:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: You are not at all narcissistic! I know for a fact that your work here has impacted thousands, creating and meticulously maintaining all those articles about pop muisc. Just look at the amount of GAs you've contributed to! I believe that not just the entire Wikipedia community, but every single incoming Wikipedia reader is appreciative of your time and effort around here. A way that I would try to find other editors to turn to is to find out who's interacting with pages you edit often. Who's popping up on your watchlist all the time? Who's dropping by on your talk page to leave messages? If said editor also edits music related articles (even jazz or rock) often, chances are that they have a pretty good grasp on how to edit pop music articles, and will respond to any questions or concerns you may have. You can also check out WikiProject Music and its many sub-projects and see what's going on around there and help others out; perhaps they'll reciprocate that assistance somewhere down the road! Don't stress out too much about the FAC: a lot of editors are quite busy, and I'm sure someone will come around and give more comments on it. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the "pop music sphere" (which I don't know at all) is more full than others with "short-term" editors who don't interact too much with other editors, and also rather fragmented, with most regulars concentrating on a relatively narrow band of articles (unintended pun). Some areas are like that - others not. Is there a pop wikiproject, or set of them? Appearing on the talk there is a way of getting better known. Not archiving your talk page quickly might give a more sociable impression. With your number of FAs, you could comment on more general policy talk pages, deletion pages, or FAC, which would raise your profile among the wider community. Johnbod (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

3rd Party Help Article Deletion

Race-reversed_casting Was reading this article, researched the references and was false with a lot of editorial biased. Not on reference has the word "Race-reversed_casting" in it. How do you get a 3rd party to review? Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring. Editors involved have taken it to Talk page. Mention there of consideration of AfD, but not started yet. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Eliminaron mi página y necesito recuperarla

Hola, por favor necesito ayuda, ayer cree la la página de la biografía del Director del Centro de investigación donde trabajo, Sergio Lavandero, destacado científico chileno, pero me la borraron y bloquearon mi usuario. Dicho investigador esta postulando para ganar un reconocido premio nacional y necesita esta página.

Agradecería me pudieran ayudar por favor, a entender en qué me equivoqué y solucionar a la brevedad posible este problema. Periodista ACCDIS SL (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article in English Wikipedia called Sergio Lavandero. I suspect that you are referring to the Spanish Wikipedia: you will need to address your queries there, to es:WP: Café: They are separate projects, with separate rules and administrators. --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Periodista ACCDIS SL --ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a new Football Player profile

I would like to add a new Football Player to have a Wikipedia Profile and do not know how to do that. Kimcephas (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kimcephas and welcome to the Teahouse.

Creating new articles from a blank start is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, perhaps the hardest an inexperienced user is likely to face. I urge you to use the Article Wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. There, an experienced editor will review your draft once you think it is ready. Only when a reviewer approves will the draft be moved to the main article space. This avoids the situation where a deletion is requested soon after the initial version of an article is posted.

Also, please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article, if you have not already done so. The advice there can be very helpful, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What follows are some steps that often lead to success in creating Wikipedia articles:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people, and our guideline on the notability of sports topics. Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note, Kimcephas, that what you will be creating is not a profile as that is usually understood: the footballer in question will not own it, and will not have control over its contents, and it should be based not on what they say or want to say about themselves, but on what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Citing a reference to a commercial product

Hello. I am currently editing an article about a drama that has been broadcast on TV. I would like to mention that the drama has also been released as a DVD, but the only evidence I have for that is the DVD's product pages in various on-line stores such as Amazon. I am wondering if it would be OK to cite one or more of those product pages as a reference for the DVD? Or would the fact that these are commercial pages - whose goal is to promote the product - rule that out? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mike Marchmont. I haven't found an explicit policy on it, but my thought is that if the only evidence of the existence of something is somebody selling it, then I don't think it belongs in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this invention the solution to Global Warming?

Hello I have invented a new type of wind turbine that you hang instead of mount atop a tower. Data suggests that it is making electric power at a very low cost because you do not need to own the land beneath it or construct a tower. A tower is over 90% of the cost and weight of a wind turbine. The HWT can be put up and taken down quickly, it can be made using alternators and blades made by existing windmill companies. It can be hung up on existing infrastructure so no new land is required to put them anywhere there is wind. We have website https://www.revoltwind.com

I am only the inventor and as such my words should be taken with a grain of salt. I believe it is making electric power at a fraction of the cost of any known technology. I do not wish to make this claim until it has been verified by others. But I know that the design works and survives storm force winds. Power measurements verify that it produces power in amounts predicted. And anyone can own one because in a small size there is no permit required by local building code authorities. The price is so low that it is affordable to almost anyone. Larger sized units are on the drawing board. I believe it can be used to build the world's largest wind turbine because blade length is limited by tower height. Without the need for a tower it could have longer blades. And you can hang a wind turbine much higher than a tower can reach. Beneath a blimp for example. Or on high rise buildings and off cliffs and rock walls. Other hanging designs rely on vertical axis designs. Vertical axis has many issues due to large cantilever loads on blades and half the rotor must spin upwind robbing the downwind side of power.

This is my first time making a post. A friend asked me to look at getting the invention on here. I am a one man company at this point. No sales revenue...yet. I believe the HWT will allow everyone on planet earth to own their own wind powered electric generator in some size. Whether 6 inch blades or 60 ft blades. The economics and convenience are simply too compelling to ignore given the global warming threat and the need for electric power in nations that have no oil. Hanging Wind Turbine (HWT)

Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</ref> Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Greenbanditninja. Congratulations on your invention, and I hope it goes well for you. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is completely the wrong place to tell people about it. Wikipedia does not accept original research. Only when your invention has got to the stage where several people unconnected with you, and unprompted by information directly from you, have chosen to write about it at some length in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, will it meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Perhaps Alternative outlets may suggest some places to announce it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to upload a photo in draft

 2409:4073:2E97:C19E:77F7:FE00:942:978F (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If this is about Draft:Dev Mohan, I suggest you don't worry about photos until you've got the basics handled: enough reliably published independent sources to establish notabililty. Until you do that, then any work you do on it is liable to be wasted. If it's not about that, please tell us which draft you're talking about. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page

Hello Teahouse!

I have found myself contributing to a number of pages dedicated to cars. I have amassed quite a lot of information on a car designer but found there isn't a page for him. How easy is it to create a Wikipedia page listing information about his life and his work? Adding this information to every car he designed seems a bit long and unnecessary.

Many thanks, HMS HMSConqueror (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@HMSConqueror: Thanks for your interest in adding information. You might want to check out WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. It’s very hard to write an article if you are new. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for suggestions/feedback.

I started editing Wikipedia just 45 days back. I love editing Wikipedia. Can anyone provide any type of feedback or suggestion for betterment of my volunteering based on my few edits?? Thanks in advance for your time and attention. बृहस्पति (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing a footnote

I'd like to remove the third footnote to the essay WP:Student assignments. The footnote reads "See the essay WP:Assignments." (WP:Assignments links back to WP:Student assignments, meaning that the footnote just says to read the article the viewer is... already reading. Huh.) Assuming this is a good idea, how would I go about doing so? I don't want to break any formatting.

Also, would it be best to bring this issue up on the talk page for WP:Student assignments first? Birdsinthewindow (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to be an auto-confirmed user

Hi,

I do some research. It said most English Wikipedia user accounts that are more than four days old and have made at least 10 edits considered autoconfirmed. I try to edit some articles. But I am not sure how to check how many edits I have been made. Besides of edit the articles. What else counts for the 10 edits? Thank you.

Sincerely Stephanie Stephanie.ecms (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)