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== At this point, attacks on protesters should be mentioned in the lead. == |
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And I don't mean the police. |
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I've made this easy with some NPOV citations. |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/bloomington-car-attack-protesters.html |
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https://www.npr.org/2020/06/21/880963592/vehicle-attacks-rise-as-extremists-target-protesters |
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/08/vehicle-ramming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/ |
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7kp4ja/people-keep-attacking-black-lives-matter-protesters-with-their-cars |
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And suggest: |
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While the majority of protests have been peaceful,[15] demonstrations in some cities escalated into riots, looting,[16][17] street skirmishes with police, and vehicle ramming attacks by extremists[x][y][z] |
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Or something along those lines. |
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There are also at least two instances of shooting (one in Arizona yesterday), but perhaps not enough to mention in the lead. |
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== List of all "deaths" and updates? == |
== List of all "deaths" and updates? == |
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At this point, attacks on protesters should be mentioned in the lead.
And I don't mean the police.
I've made this easy with some NPOV citations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/bloomington-car-attack-protesters.html
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/21/880963592/vehicle-attacks-rise-as-extremists-target-protesters
And suggest:
While the majority of protests have been peaceful,[15] demonstrations in some cities escalated into riots, looting,[16][17] street skirmishes with police, and vehicle ramming attacks by extremists[x][y][z]
Or something along those lines.
There are also at least two instances of shooting (one in Arizona yesterday), but perhaps not enough to mention in the lead.
List of all "deaths" and updates?
I see 28, but I don't see the exact list with sources.
Today, the police found a dead body in a pawn shop, that was burned down during a BLM protest.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/us/minneapolis-protest-body-found/index.html
It makes 29. However I'm not sure if the 28 was the right number because I keep hearing about new cases, but the number is not really changing. (second unsigned section moved from here, see below subsection) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveLiberty (talk • contribs) 23:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know who wrote the last sentence, but it was not me. She never said the "N" word, she said "All Lives Matter". All the news reports was about her sayins ALM, but not a single one was about "N" word. Why making up things like that?
And yes, the argument was about Floyd and the BLM, people were tere protesting, they had a debate there and they followed them to kill them. So they were victims of the protests. The motivation was literally about her disagreeing with the BLM protests. - SteveLiberty
SteveLiberty, you didn't sign your post, and someone else came in and added to it (also without signing). To prevent this in the future, sign your posts by adding four tildes ~~~~ at the end of them. This automatically signs and dates them, and allows your posts not to be corrupted as easily. —valereee (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Updated it to 30 deaths with the alleged self-defense killing of Garrett Foster last night, wait for more information to come.
Moving addition that was added between OP's post and the autosign
I think its really dishonest to revert the numbers back. One of the deaths isn't a George Floyd Protest. People are trying to make the killing of Jessica Doty Whitaker a George Floyd death. She was not killed during a protest. She was killed at 3:30am after her and the people she was with got into a confrontation because they said the N word and a group of other people there heard and got into an argument, several minutes after they solved their differences she was shot from a distance and killed, no one saw who did it. It wasn't a protest. So its not honest to name her a George Floyd protest death. The body that was found in the pawn shop suffered from Thermal injuries so that one would be considered a death. But its dishonest to lump Jessica Doty Whitaker's killing with this. Its not part of it. So the total death count should be 28 not 29 We need to update it to 30 deaths with the alleged self-defense killing of Garrett Foster last night.
https://fox59.com/news/crimetracker/indy-mother-becomes-2nd-homicide-along-downtown-canal-in-1-week/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by jcicone1 (talk • contribs) —valereee (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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