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Hey!!! Thank you very much Nick Moyes☺ You have welcomed me to Wikipedia ...I'm glad to be a part of this. And I will take care of that what you made me understand .

Tanisha priyadarshini (talk) 05:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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Merci pour avoir trouvé Aron Ralston! (Living in Lyon and formerly in Grenoble, I guess that's why it teased me. I've tried google with english syntax but I guess MSN spoil on my PC as far as it will do the same it for Le Bistro en français) Artehjbj (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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	thank you so much for helping me with editing! Firestar9990 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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	your cool :D Firestar9990 (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick,

many thanks again for all your (further) essential advice! In my ‘mind‘s eye’, I had made only a couple of trifling amendments to Nerine's page on ‘List of South African artists’ in 2019. So revisited that page again (having mentally ‘written it off’), and am quite surprised at how many changes I had made! I must conclude that this is yet another symptom of ‘old timer‘s disease’. sigh… And I definitely will NOT be tinkering with that page again. Shall only mention A Brush with Life in ‘Further Reading’ on the ‘women artists’ page. Oh, and ‘good on yer’ for awarding me a ‘BarnStar’!

Dave — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeSoto 383 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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	For your funny message: It looks like global lockdown is distorting everyone's perception of time! Interstellarity (talk) 18:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Are you able to help?

Hello Nick. I've resumed editing today after a sustained absence (and after tonight, I will be absent again but only for a week or two). I've just been reading the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting article and in its history I spotted this revert of yours[1], and subsequent examination led me to a conversation between you and the editor who was blocked as a sockpuppet (I make no comment on the accuracy but have no affiliation to any other accounts myself), and here I noticed this comment you made[2].

In the months before I briefly left the project, I was involved in edit disputes and talk page debate over a similarly related binary matter at White Helmets (Syrian Civil War). If your above comment and the reverts of User:Fake News Extinguisher are correct, would you not say that the second paragraph of White Helmets is a clear breach of NPOV procedure? It brazenly asserts in the Wikipedia voice that all exposure of the Helmets as terrorists is a "conspiracy theory", is "disinformation", and the sources in question "falsely promote" certain things.

These claims carry the burden of proof, and it simply isn't adequate to argue that "ABC sources claim this is so and they are classed as reliable" while "XYZ sources say the opposite and they are unreliable" because in this scenario, it is a deadlock. To that end, continuously haemorrhaging "RS" actually begs the question rather than provides sound reasoning for the claims.

The impasse is by all accounts divided down the usual partisan lines, but I am more inclined to go along with the quality of one's arguments rather than "who" said it. That means I would rather rewrite the entire article and present the Helmets for what they are, associates of Al-Qaeda. However, I also know the purpose of Wikipedia and do not wish to do this. I simply believe that a more neutral passage needs to be written that gives parity to the rival narratives. A point to note is that when I last looked at the article in 2018, only three groupings were "spreading disinformation": Russian sources, Iranian sources, and Syrian government sources.

At some point in the last 18 months, somebody added a Chinese source to the "disinformation" bundle. The band of editors hell-bent on presenting the Helmets as the cuddly band of non-dangerous fanatics have also objected in the most withering terms to add other writers/commentators from outside of the Russian/Iranian/Syrian/Chinese circle being adduced as sources. I refer to persons such as George Galloway, Eva Bartlett and former Pink Floyd bassist Roger Waters, a man whose notability stretches to political activism (thereby deeming irrelevant his status as a musician). Can you see where this is going? I personally know of two more national news sources that expose the Helmets as terrorist-affiliated, and I am sure there is much much more, but in the current paradigm those sources would just be added to the "disinformation" bundle for no other reason than that is the side they are on, and all just to accommodate the other side's WP:TRUTH.

Could I ask you, if you haven't been involved in the past, to provide your own input on the article and/or the talk? I'd appreciate that a lot. --Coldtrack (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Coldtrack: Goodness... I will try and take a look when I have some clear headspace, though this isn't my area of expertise. (Forgive me for adding paragraph breaks to your post - I just needed to see and digest it in bite-sized chunks.) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

By all means this is your talk page! :)))) No rush. I don't expect to be online this next 10 or so days anyhow. Thanks for the acknowledgement! Warmest regards. --Coldtrack (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, so I spent an hour and a half looking into this. Sorry i couldn't do more. It seems the main disagreement is that you like the word 'criticism' whilst others want to use the phrase 'sustained disinformation', and that you've been edit warring with others a bit over that - maybe for a couple of years - but also noting that there has been prior discussion on the Talk Page, plus a recent post from you, reiterating your concerns. Unfortunately, unlike the diff of mine that you cited to the page on [[Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting]], here I see a statement in the lead which does summarises what reliable mainstream media like The Guardian have reported, and which are expnded in the remainder of the article. Having looked at those sources, I tend to side with the view which is opposite to the one that you take - sorry. In fact, I have added a quotation from the The Guardian which I feel justifies the use of both 'sustained' and of 'disinformation', and the assertion that Russian TV has played its part in that campaign. Whilst I haven't added in references in my reply here, I would suggest that you consider always including both diffs and citations when you want to put forward an argument to support your view - it makes the job a lot easier if one can hear what the editor is saying, and then immediately see the source(s) they are basing their editing position upon. Just a suggestion to facilitate collaboration. Sorry I can't be more supportive of your perspective, but I must admit to very little experience in this field and have simply followed the sources. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your effort in looking into the issue and time in commenting. So you know, "disinformation" is an assertion which carries the burden of proof. To this end, dissenting voices such as what you read in the Guardian do not cut the mustard as they have not demonstrated their accusation that "the other side is lying". The issue is that rival narratives exist and sadly, they are always divided down the usual partisan lines. Although I cannot be sure which Guardian piece you refer to, I know that the Guardian does not report anything different to the rest of the mainstream media from DW to ABC News. This cartel has accused opponents of western foreign policy of "sustained disinformation" but if you read their argumentation carefully, you can throw every sentence into one of the following boxes: argument from ignorance, argument from incredulity, begging the question, appeal to authority, and the biggest one of all, argument by assertion. Believe you me, I know the sources from all sides as I follow world affairs from all angles. No mainstream source has produced evidence beyond reasonable doubt that that the Helmets are not affiliated to Al-Qaeda. Even the so-called "independent fact-checkers" such as SNOPES can at most offer the pitiful "we find no evidence of the Russian & Syrian claim" which is not the same as "we find evidence that they are spreading falsehoods". And while absence of evidence can never be the same as evidence of absence, I can safely say that among the public, SNOPES' reputation lies in ruins over this and other similar "findings". Anyhow, I am not denigrating the Guardian as a source, but I am saying that many other sources report the opposing narrative and they ALSO make representations that the western mainstream media is guilty of a disinformation drive. Those sources are too numerous for WP:FRINGE and so to choose one's favoured variation and give it WP:WEIGHT violates the rules of WP:PARITY. But just to wrap up, you see I cited the fallacies and you might be thinking "why did he say begging the question?" and the answer is because: the western governments and their obeisant echo chambers in the mainstream media (eg. The Guardian) use the White Helmets as a source of information. Therefore if someone is making claims about them, rightly or wrongly, you don't defend their rectitude by citing the very same sources who three pages behind the article you read adduced this organisation to make its points. For example, take the BBC: " Nine people, including three children, died when warplanes bombed the town of Talmenes, the White Helmets reported. " ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50821277 ). By this logic, the only way to decree the Helmets as terrorists is to find a passage in the "reliable sources" which says, "the White Helmets are affiliated to the Jihadist opposition in Syria, the Helmets themselves report" which is an absurdity. So you see, citing sources sympathetic to the Helmets is circular reasoning. --Coldtrack (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Coldtrack: Thank you for coming back. Getting to 'the truth' is, I am sure, a very difficult and complex task. And, yes, it does depend on what sources one assimilates. One person's truth is another person's injustice. You may have seen it written in the essays on Wikipedia that this encyclopaedia doesn't claim to portray'the truth' -it portrays what reliable sources have written about the subject - sometimes by both sides of a subject. There it is expected to present both sets of so-called 'truths' as reliably reported. I can do no more here except to say that very few of us here are 'experts' or political analysts, and that we try our best to present the available evidence as citations for statements. Just as there is currently no evidence to suggest that I now stopped beating my wife, there is equally no evidence to suggest that I ever have beaten her at all. It would be unfair to write about my wife-beating habits if no sources had reliably published evidence that I was being investigated by the police for wife beating, or had been found guilty of those crimes. I do to some extent understand the point you are making, but sympathies change when facts emerge. Look at the case of the heavily lauded Harvey Weinstein, or the serial abuser Jimmy Saville who our own BBC appeared to be protecting by not broadcasting investigative journalism that exposed him shortly before his death. It's not the same types of examples, but Wikipedia can only collate what is already available - it cannot be used to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC) 

Very comforting to know you don't beat your wife, just as I have never beaten my wife nor children either (although Igor, the oldest, is 19 and 6 foot 5, 196cm!!). I know what you're saying. You're describing a vacuous truth. Our situation at White Helmets is that there are two rival narratives, diametrically opposed, and both widely reported. This is why it is wrong to present one as factual and the other as false. I didn't seek to reverse the article but to rewrite any paragraph giving undue weight to the authors' favoured account. Block 1 says that Block 2 spreads disinformation and that the organisation is benign. Block 2 says Block 1 spreads disinformation and that the organisation is dishonourable. Proponents of the former say that Block 2 consists of "unreliable sources", while proponents of the other assert that Block 2's sources are reliable. If it were as simple as citing blogs and forum discussions then one may have a point. But when the so-called "unreliable" sources are reports from media across a variety of countries to which you could add independent writers and scholars then the "unreliable source" argument falls apart at every turn. You probably haven't noticed that there is an anomaly here: to claim that a source is "unreliable" and that its authors spread "disinformation" are two mutually exclusive assertions. Many "reliable sources" helped to peddle the myth that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction, a claim that was being championed in the build-up to, during, and months after the Iraq War. At the same time, "unreliable sources" were sceptical of the tropes being parroted. If you asseverate that so-and-so is spreading "disinformation" then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate this claim. To claim that so-and-so reports the opposite of such-and-such, the first is "reliable" and the second is "unreliable" and therefore the second amounts to disinformation is WP:SYNTH in fine feather. Do you see my point? --Coldtrack (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Archive

Hey your archive is set at 2000 days not sure if you meant to do that or not. But we can add some greenery to make the long walk more pleasant and maybe a couple sled dogs ;) Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 08:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Because he is God and has infinite life :) --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 15:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Galendalia: LOL both ! I've just been looking at my archive settings. The 2000 figure is hours, not days - explanation at User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis. My intention had always been to retain three months worth of past discussions, so I've just upped it slightly from the 83 days it was previously set to, and also enlarged the archive size a little bit too (from 65,000 bytes to 100,000 bytes). Thanks for taking a look, though. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Adopt Me

Hey Nick,

Can you add me next up on your adoption list if you are willing to please? As you’ve seen I need the help and I have respect for you.

Thanks, Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 08:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Galendalia: I'd be happy to help and support you if I can (assuming you're still interested.) It would be on an informal piecemeal manner, with you approaching me with a range of questions, or seeking guidance and advice as needed, rather than me offering you a structured training programme. How does that sound? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: works for me bud. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 22:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

question re section

hi. I wanted to ask would it be okay if I could please reformat my signature, in the talk page section above? I don't mind the section being here, obviously, but I don't want everyone's eye to be immediately drawn to my own signature. I would simply remove the bold font and the emoji, just to make it more subtle. don't worry, I would do a draft in my own user space first, so that I could revise it in one edit, and not make multiple edits. I hope that's ok? I appreciate it. please ping me when you reply. thanks very much. --Sm8900 (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Yep -that's OK with me. I appreciate you having the courtesy to ask. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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	For the many instances of extended patience I have noticed you giving new users, and very frequent instances of level-headedness all around. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Why, thank you, kind Sir!
• Why, thank you, kind Lady!

(delete as appropriate). Nick Moyes (talk) 10:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam

Dear Sir, Thank you very much for editing this article, sparing more time and giving suggestions. In fact I am new to this, and this is my first article. As you guessed, your are right sir. I am the founder member of Dolphin Nature Conservation Society and Biodiversity Park which started in the year 2001 with a aim to inculcate the knowledge of nature conservation and environmental protection in the young minds. The main motto of the society is nature conservation,environmental protection, education and awareness. Ours is a student teacher based voluntary organization (NGO). I am a retired Professor from Andhra University affiliated college, A doctorate degree holder from Marine Biology. Zoologist and teacher by profession and a botanist by passion and above all a naturalist and nature lover. The crown project of ours is development and maintenance of this Biodiversity Park in Visakhapatnam. In a Govt. Hospital land in 3 acres we started this in 2002 and maintained with our own funds (my own funds and meagre donations from students) upto 2013. Now with the help of government agencies and with my own funds and through meager donations from student volunteers we have been maintaining it. In fact it is a living laboratory for students of all walks of life. In fact ours is the only biodiversity park in the entire state of Andhra Pradesh. Thank you very much for all your suggestions. I am much more thankful to you for the creation of Biodiversity park, visakhapatnam in Wikimedia. I am entirely new to this terminology and language of wikipedia but slowly learning . I earnestly request you to edit this article and give suggestions and advise...and make it in more presentation and pleasant form..for the wiki readers. Already you helped me a lot. Pl. extend some more help by sparing your highly valuable time in making this article a perfect page for all readers. Thank you..Thank you very much.. regards.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmantha (talk • contribs) 00:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bmantha: It was a pleasure to help you, sir! I realise you might not have been happy to see much of your work removed, but I am very glad you appreciated it. Please would you just do one important thing to meet Wikipedia's requirements? I need to ask you to create your userpage and to add a small 'Conflict of Interest' declaration on it. (See WP:COI for more details. The code you need to add is as follows: {{UserboxCOI|1=Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam}} and on your userpage it should appear like this:

This user has publicly declared that he has a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam.

What you actually say about yourself is very much your choice, but I personally tend to trust an editor's motives more if I see that they have spent a few moments explaining their background and why they are here to edit Wikipedia. What you have said above looks perfect to me; namely "I am a retired Professor from Andhra University affiliated college, A doctorate degree holder from Marine Biology. Zoologist and teacher by profession and a botanist by passion and above all a naturalist and nature lover."

If I may make a personal observation: If I were in your shoes, I would also be extraordinarily proud of my achievements in setting up the Biodiversity Park. From the photographs I can see that it is full or beauty and has enormous impact on the people you bring there. For such a small area, you have not only created a great resource, but also managed to generate a lot of media interest, too. You did a brilliant job. I am, if I am honest, quite jealous! My own project (The Sanctuary (Derby)) is 12 ha in size, but has nothing of the beauty of yours. In fact, it was established to protect natural wildlife and especially ground-nesting bird habitat that had developed on top of a disused and clay-capped landfill rubbish dump on the edge of our city. In winter it looks bleak and windswept, but in spring it attracts migrant birds. We even built a massive sand-filled structure for nesting sand martins, which has been very successful. Some years ago we had to fight to protect it from destruction by its owners (our City Council) who were the same body who had formally and legally designated it as a Local Nature Reserve. They wanted to build a bicycle racing track on it, and so our local conservation organisations had to start legal action in one of our countries highest courts before they finally backed down. I hope you never face the same problems! Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Tea House and Redirect

Hi Nick, I got a message from you to join the teahouse, this was quite a few months ago... sorry I'm late for tea... thank you so much for offering to help me. I just created the first article about a Chilean sculptor. I hope to contribute more articles on Hispanic women.--Pworren (talk) 10:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Please Nick can you delete the redirect page from my Sand Box: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Pworren/sandbox&redirect=no I need it to keep on writing, thanks a lot, --Pworren (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey Pworren, thanks for stopping by, and a belated welcome to Wikipedia. (I've merged your two questions into one, if that's OK) Although you could have easily done it yourself simply by editing the sandbox page, I have removed the redirect command from your sandbox for you. You can have more than one sandbox if you need them, just by adding a number or word to the url in your browser, like this User:Pworren/sandbox2. It's a 'redlink' at the moment, but if you want to use it, just click create, and type in some content. In desktop view you can find ll your subpages by clicking the 'Page' tab, and then 'subpages'.

Do you have any more sources to support your article on Tamara Jacquin? You said she has received several awards - can you specify and cite a reference for each one? This will help establish her Notability - an essential criterion every person has to meet if their article is to stay on Wikipedia. Are you aware of the Women in Red Project? It's a Wikipedia scheme to create more articles about women here. They maintain lists of 'redlinked' women's names that it's felt ought to be written. I'll pop by your talk page and leave some details for you. If you run in to problems, that's what the Teahouse is for. So feel free to ask, anytime. So all the best for now. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

2A00:23C5:6289:C000:0:0:0:0/64

Range is back at 2A00:23C5:6289:C000:8C4B:65AE:5AF3:D4AB (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) with personal attacks to the same edits. Nate • (chatter) 00:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I was slow to respond, but am pleased to see the user have been rangeblocked. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam

Dear Sir, thank you for your guidance and help in editing the page, I tried my level best to follow your guidance. I need your help in creating wekimedia categories and sub categories. Already You have created Category: Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam in wikimedia commons. How to create sub categories like Butterflies of Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam, Cacti and Succulents, Birds, aquatic plants, orchids, medicinal plants like that sir. Sorry I am troubling you a lot in asking such things..I am unable to follow clearly... Sir Please help me sir if time permits, regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmantha (talk • contribs) 02:02, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bmantha: I don't think you should create more than three or four further sub-categories. Any more would be quite unnecessary. (I could envisage Insects of..., Plants of..., Birds of...) If you'd care to give me a full list, I'll try and sort them out for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear sir In my opinion the following categories looks good in wikimedia under Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam; Butterflies, Birds, Cacti & Succulents, Aquatic plants, Orchids, Plants general, medicinal plants, Education and Awareness activities etc. Otherwise you help me to how to go for subcategories please One more advise I seek; regarding The page 'Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam already reviseed by I would like to insert one gallery with just 12 pictures representing the most important plants and flowers or butterflies of different zones, Just 10 or 12 please permit or else give me your suggestion please. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmantha (talk • contribs) 22:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response

. Pasdecomplot (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

you're welcome. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick!

Hello Nick. This is Jumpycamel. I am honored to get to meet you! Really, I am new to Wikipedia and my account is about 2 days old. From now on I am using you, out of all Wikipedia members, for advice.

Happy Wiki-ing! Jumpycamel

(P. S. Is there any Wikipedia page that hasn’t been made yet that I can make?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumpycamel (talk • contribs) 01:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Jumpycamel, thanks for stopping by. I can't promise to respond quickly to questions - so actually you are better off asking at the Teahouse if you want speedy answers.

You asked: "Is there any Wikipedia page that hasn’t been made yet that I can make?", and the answer is 'yes' there are thousands! But, honestly, please don't come to Wikipedia with the idea of creating a new page, as it would be like me walking into a TV studio with no understanding of how programmes are made asking if I can create a new show for kids! Creating a new article, and following all our guidelines as ytou do it, is one of the hardest tasks any editor can perform here. So, take your time; edit slowly and gradually. In due course, you'll gravitate towards making bigger and better edits, and eventually find something that does meet our notabilty criteria. You might even go in search of pages where suggestions few new articles are collected together, like this one for notable women.

I tell you what: I'll keep an eye on your editing contributions and drop by if I think I can make further suggestions. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure. It's not only fun to do, it shows other editors that you're really interested to learn. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Here’s to Nick - a Cupcake!

Thank you, Nick, for your service to Wikipedia. Therefore, I think you deserve a cupcake - or three hundred! Jumpycamel (talk) 20:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Talk_page_messages_skewed_to_the_right

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Talk_page_messages_skewed_to_the_right . Interstellarity (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48

@Interstellarity: Why on earth wake up the whole world and draw them to my userpage, when a few seconds should have let you see that two simple colons indenting a demo COI template a few posts above this was the cause. Next time, why not just drop by and say "Did you know...?". I hadn't spotted it, but it's a funny way to alert me to such a minor issue which I've now fixed! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I apologize for letting the whole world know. I'm glad the issue got fixed. Did I do something wrong? Interstellarity (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Interstellarity. 'Doing something wrong' isn't the phrase I would choose. I'm certainly not annoyed or anything, so don't worry. Nor am I hiding anything I didn't want folk to see here!. It's just that it seemed really, really weird to post on two forums that my talk page was a tiny bit misaligned, as if it were a global issue that needed fixing across Wikipedia, when all you needed to have done was dropped by, and mentioned the layout issue in a post here. I might have got around to fixing it in a week or two...it really wasn't an issue that needed 'eyes on' from WP:VPT, that's all. (I also had to drop what I was doing, scramble over to VPT to see what had cracked off, then pop back here, spend two minutes working out why my talk page was indented, and then fix it. Meanwhile QEDK had very kindly popped over to take a look, and had also sussed out the issue.) So, no, you've done nothing wrong - except perhaps looked a tad daft in making a mountain out of a non-existent molehill. But, either way, thanks for raising it, as I'd not appreciated that an indented COI template continued to indent the rest of the page. That might have been the bigger technical issue that could have been raised, but you didn't appear to have spotted what the cause of the indenting actually was. No worries; all is calm. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)  

I'm the kind of person that likes to point out errors in Wikipedia. I'm glad you're OK because I am as well. Interstellarity (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah - no problem. Just try to work out the best way of doing that, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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• Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting. [9]
• Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them. <b/> is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work. area, base, br, col, embed, hr, img, input, keygen, link, meta, param, source, track, wbr can be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect <references /> or <ref />. [10]
• There is a banner called WikidataPageBanner. It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions on MediaWiki:Sitenotice so that editors know to test and style for mobile too. [11][12]

Changes later this week

• You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets. [13]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).

Future changes

• A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 118 wikis need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected. [14]

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21:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

A nice ol’ brownie to Nick!

Or do you want donuts? 🍩 Ha ha! Jumpycamel (talk) 03:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

CIC Hut

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your lovely message about my Jane Inglis Clark article! I am so glad to hear that my first article has gone down well. Jane Inglis Clark was a really interesting person to research and put together into a biography as part of the Edinburgh Women in Red project.

It would be great if you could do a page on the CIC Hut. For now I will focus my attention on Women in Red, in particular adding articles on the missing female climbers/travellers/mountaineers. If you have any tips or suggestions on that topic please send them my way! Best wishes, --12banana21 (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, 12banana21. I think we all like to get positive feedback, and it is really fantastic to see you get off to such a great start here. I certainly didn't want to undermine your plans by creating a page on something you wanted to work on. (That happened to me with the Goûter Hut in the Alps after I'd been slowly working on a draft for over a year.)

As for tips or suggestions, I could mention that leaving on request for help on talk pages of other WikiProjects might elicit contributions from others (though it's rare!). I help to run WikiProject Mountains of the Alps where we have a 'requested articles section, including names of people. (I confess, to my shame, that so far it's an all-male list. Feel free to add any female alpinists to it, or link back to the relevant Women in Red section)). Then there's also WikiProject Climbing.

I recently purchased a copy of the RGS/Alpine Club publication 'Mountaineers' in the hope of getting some more information, but sadly it, too, is very male-focussed. What I would eventually like to do is find a way to encourage various national societies to consider mobilising some of their archives or images to Wikimedia Commons for use on Wikipedia. But this is a long haul ambition, I fear. Just shout if you ever need help. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC) 

Shadowblade

Blast from the recent past: new account User:Shadowblade08.2 looks a lot like User:Shadowblade08.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Oh dear. Well, if that were the case, that would be WP:BLOCKEVASION, resulting in a permanent block on both accounts unless the new account were to cease editing immediately and declare the connection. (It's certainly an amazing coincidence otherwise.) I'll leave it for now as it's late here, but we can easily get a WP:CHECKUSER to take a look if they continue editing and don't answer your question. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed, see the talk page. I'm sympathetic to younger editors but not potential further disruption and block evasion.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Bug

@Nick Moyes:, when I search "WP:TH" or Wikipedia:Teahouse, in the wikipedia search bar nothing shows up. I just go to my sandbox/talk page/typed "WP:TH, Instead. I think this is a bug. Always, -Hamuyi (talk) 11:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hamuyi: It's working fine. WP:TH doesn't show because there are innumerable autofill options that it could also be, so you don't always see them in the small box. Wikipedia:Teahouse autofills fine for me; so maybe you have a browser issue. I use Chrome. Just type the shortcut and press return and you're sorted.

By the way, although you are entitled to blank your talk page after people have posted there, you might like to know that it tends to draw extra attention and suspicion on your editing - whether deserved or not. My friendly advice is not to keep blanking other people's comments there, but to leave all posts there for quite some time, maybe only blank or ARCHIVE after a couple of months at least. In the spirit of openness, you will find people look more kindly on you if you allow all positive and negative feedback to be easily visible. You will note that I have still had to reformat your reply to my request to you, asking you not to leave separate lines between text and signatures, yet your reply failed to do just that. You do not need to insert line breaks either - the text will autowrap itself onto the page. Please try to pay a little more attention to what experienced editors are trying to help you with. Thus far, of your 324 edits here, only two have been two articles, and both were reverted as not being constructive. Do remember that this is our primary purpose, and try to focus on learning how to contribute successfully, and less on commenting on other people's talk pages and more on Contributing to Wikipedia. Always. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:53, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I do. I am still learning. Everyone is. I am going to go to the task center and try to help. Always -Hamuyi (talk)

@Hamuyi: OK - stick to the simplest tasks there. NOTE: You're still inserting 'Returns' at the end of sentences which are not required. They don't render on the page, but are clearly visible when you edit the source code. Try to remember that this isn't needed nor, indeed, wanted. Reply to a comment by indenting, using one additional colon to force the indent rightwards.

Like this

And like this

See? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Always, --Hamuyi (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Just a friendly reminder

...that you gotta put colons in front of categories you're trying to link to. It took me aback when the Teahouse link on my watchlist turned deletion-pink. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Doh, what a plonker I am! I did know that, of course. Just forgot in the haste to reply to somewhat confusing TH question. So sorry. (Wanders off to find a very sharp stick...) Nick Moyes (talk) 22:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Adoptee request

Hi. If you are available would you consider "adopting" me? I have left WP previously after finding things very negative, and I'm back editing again now and planning to continue. Mostly I edit Medicine, Psychiatry, and awareness or disability, particularly contested or neglected diseases. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Amousey. I'm very sorry for the long delay in replying, but thank you for your post. I'm not sure I could do you justice by 'adoption' right now, as I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by a few things in real life and online, too. But neither do I want to disappoint you. So, could I suggest that if you encounter specific difficulties that you first post for help at the Teahouse? You're bound to get quick help there, though if you have broader concerns that you want to list as things for me to try to address for you, I will 'try' to offer you a reply, though it might not be immediate. Does that sound OK? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Amousey: you're welcome. By all means drop me a list of things that you feel unsure about/need guidance on and I'll try and point you in the right direction of any help, or happily look at any edits that you want feedback on. (Meanwhile you could wikilink to Neuroendocrine tumor in Zebra print ribbon). Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 10:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2 – Quick updates

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• Reply tool: This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature will get new features soon. The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing @. You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster. Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
• New requirements for user signatures: Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable. Most editors will not be affected.
• New discussion tool: The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions. You can see the initial design on the project page.
• Research on the use of talk pages: The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles. We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

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Tech News: 2020-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.

Problems

• There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed. [15]
• Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed. [16]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).

Future changes

• Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will not support Python 2 after the new version in July. Support for Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 will also be dropped. You should migrate to Python 3. You can ask for help. [17]
• The selectors .menu and .vectorMenu will no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts. .menu should be replaced by ul. .vectorMenu should be replaced by .vector-menu. [18]

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21:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for helping me out with the merging issue. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020

Hello Nick Moyes,

Your help can make a difference

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference.

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In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.

Discussions and Resources

• A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
• Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
• A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
• Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

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Adopt-a-user program

Hi there! I am looking for you! to be my mentor, I have been in Wikipedia for a few months and want an experienced user like you to be by mentor. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 13:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: Thank you for doing me the honour of asking for my help and support. Just a few posts above this one, you'll see that I replied to another user in the same way as I do to you now. Namely, that I'm not sure I could do you justice by 'adoption' right now, as I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by a few things in real life and online, too. But neither do I want to disappoint you, even though I have no experience or virtually no knowledge of the areas that you edit in.

So, could I suggest that if you encounter specific difficulties that you first post for help at the Teahouse? You're bound to get quick help there, though if you have broader concerns that you want to list as things for me to try to address for you, I will 'try' to offer you a reply, though it might not be immediate. I would be very happy for you to post a bulleted list of the things you feel you are weak on, and would like to understand better. I would be very happy to explain these or point you towards any help pages to guide you. Does that sound OK?

I do wonder whether you would be better off not adding your name to the Teahouse Host lists right now, but waiting until you've: a) helped out a bit more informally there, and b) gained a little more experience in general. There is, of course, nothing stopping anyone from answering question at the Teahouse at any time. They do't need to call themselves a 'Host' to do so. But signing up to say you're a 'Host' is meant to show others that you do have the commitment and the knowledge to help people. I'll leave the decision to you, though I do remove people from that list if they haven't shown any evidence of contributing there after some months. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)  

@Nick Moyes: Thank You. I would love to get your guidance where I think you can help me. I know my location is far than yours but there are many more things in which you can help me to become a good and experienced user. Regarding your busy schedule, I would like to say that I will not poke you until I really needs your help. For the minor things, I know some other Editors here on wiki whom I mention for help. But at many points they know less than you. So I wish you to adopt me. And for the teahouse is concerned, I would love to help new users to help with the best and dearest way. I have some experiences about articles, AFCs, Citations, Drafts, Infoboxes (some), Userboxes and some other things too. So I believe that I can help new comers, to make them a good editor. At the same time I will learn more things from experienced user too. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 14:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that makes perfect sense. I learned so much by helping out at the Teahouse over the 2 or 3 years before putting my name forward as an administrator. Not only does one learn how to do difficult tasks, one also gains skills in helping and supporting new people (which is something I've enjoyed doing all my working life, too). So, yes, ask away if you wish, or drop by my page with any concerns. Just don't expect an immediate answer, or be prepared for me to say I can't help you right now. It doesn't mater whether we are both culturally, geographically or chronologically poles apart - here on Wikipedia we all have to follow the same policies and guidelines, which is a really great leveller. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sock puppetry

Hey, I noticed you were the admin who issued the block to this IP (User_talk:72.87.85.166). Please take a look at the suspected sock puppetry going on here. Looks like several accounts, all causing problems. If someone were to open an SPI on this, which account would be listed as the sockmaster? Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers. SolarFlash^Discussion 17:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

It's been dealt with, sorry to bother you. Cheers. SolarFlash^Discussion 22:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SolarFlash. Sorry for the delay in replying. I'm glad this was resolved. But please, in future, help people out by linking to the other user accounts or the other articles where you feel bad faith edits have occurred. I found it very hard to know what pages or people were in your mind. And my mind reading skills are a bit crap, right now. Best, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Matthew Stafford 's talk page

So on the article Matthew Stafford it says his name is John Matthew Stafford not Matthew Stafford like everyone knows him as. I posted a talk discussion so can you look into this? Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Oops did citation wrong Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

And the talk page is Matthew Stafford name mistake? Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Oops how do I do a link like that. And it is a link not a citation, sorry Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sport.07GamerDet: Sorry for the delay in replying. At least one source shows his name is John Matthew Stafford, but we are guided by WP:COMMONNAME when titling articles. Reg Dwight is the real name of Elton John; it's fine to link to the former, but the article needs to be named by how he is widely known, and not by his birth name. Same with Matthew Stafford. I think ThatMontrealIP has explained this on the talk page of that article. See Talk:Matthew Stafford. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:13, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Past Bari Weiss / vandalism in search results

Remember this discussion: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1064#Question
I saw Bari Weiss on my watchlist and I was wondering if you had followed up on it and learned anything new. --David Tornheim (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi David. Having reported to Bing the unfortunate 'scraping' of that Wikipedia page just after that vandalism was added (a weird coincidence for an edit that was only there for a minute or two), I watched Bing's search results for a few days. I don't know when it was fixed, but Bing has now removed the malicious comment/reindexed the page. I did also make this edit to the template that some people use to explain the problem with Google Knowledge Graphs. But I confess I did not take the matter to WP:AN after seeing the 'scumbag' comment was removed by Bing. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)  

Thanks for the update. Glad it is resolved. My guess is that the scrape happened before they got to your comment. I'm actually surprised it took that long for it to do a new scrape: I believe Google is faster at that. --David Tornheim (talk) 21:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Google is much faster. The word on t'internet was that Bing takes forever. So at least the reporting does seem to work. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

the BBC and boondoggles?!

So I was just driving home (at 2 a.m.; augh, yes) and turned on the BBC World Service, and in progress was a piece about F.D. Roosevelt and his “New Deal” programs from the 1930s. And I ABSOLUTELY KID YOU NOT: the FIRST COMPLETE SENTENCE I heard was: “This gave rise to the popularisation of the term ‘boondoggle.’” !!! I’m really glad I’m not prone to delusions of reference because this would send me over the edge! Holy mackerel! Julietdeltalima (talk) 09:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC) Julietdeltalima (talk) 09:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Julietdeltalima: Amazing. This could clearly only have happened because of the divine intervention of an all-powerful God. Meanwhile, at 2am local time here in the UK, and as a result of a casual Tweet, I was discovering the answer to a mystery that I had failed to solve for the preceeding 25 years. (X-files emoji) Nick Moyes (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Not a big deal

...but vandalism-only accounts need not be warned before being blocked [19]. EEng 12:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-26

Changes later this week

• The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback. [20]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).

Mediocre Legacy

So there is this user called User: Mediocre Legacy that keeps editing without edit summaries. Is it possible that he could be blocked or something? It also looks like he may have vandalised some things as well, Thanks. Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

And also how do I revert an edit? Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 18:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Wtf did I vandalize Mediocre Legacy (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mediocre Legacy: I can't comment on that, as football is not my thing, and the new editor did not specify anything for me to look at. However, I do think your total failure to use edit summaries is a legitimate concern, and I might be be posting on your talk page about that in the next few days. I certainly shalln't be blocking anyone for that right now, though if the community repeatedly asks someone to conform to its practices, and an editor refuses, then recent decisions at WP:ANI tend not to have not gone in their favour, and blocks have ensued. That does seem to be the case with your edits, where 99.2% of your 43,000 edits have no explanatory edit summary, and I see repeated requests for you to explain your edits when you add or remove content. So could you address that please and save me the trouble of posting a formal request on your talk page? Thanks a lot Nick Moyes (talk) 19:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sport.07GamerDet: We don't block an editor for failing to leave an edit summary, although repeatedly ignoring requests from the community and not fixing the issue can lead to sanctions. (And that could, potentially, happen here.) I've just noticed that you did recently leave a request for them to use edit summaries, but for some reason you posted in the middle of their talk page. I'm not sure why. New threads and warning notices should go at the bottom of a talk page, as you've done here on my page.

If an editor either vandalises, or inserts content which you dispute and which isn't supported with a citation, then you can REVERT their edit. This is more likely to happen if the user fails to explain the reason for their edit. In desktop mode, just go to the 'View History' tab of any page, where you'll see each edit on a separate line (with date, editor's name, size of change and - we would expect - a clear edit summary). Note the link to 'thank' the editor, or to 'undo' their edit. Each line has a radio button which you can select in order to see the changes made across a number of edits, and displayed as a DIFF, showing the before and after impacts of that change or set of changes. (That's a very useful thing to have as you can copy the url and paste it elsewhere for others to see the changes you want to talk about. If you have Twinkle enabled in your user preferences, you also see a 'rollback' link, of which there are three types - Green:rollback Good Faith edits; Blue: rollback average edits; Red: rollback Vandalism. Rollback is powerful, and mustn't be abused, as poor use can revert an entire series of one person's edits, rather than just the last one you wished to revert. (That can really upset people!) If you aren't sure of these, just use the Undo option to revert a change, making sure you always leave an explanatory edit summary when you do so.

Finally, I've not looked at the individual edits of the editor you're mentioned here, and won't do so unless you link to a specific diff. But to be frank, it's far better to engage with an editor in the first instance before raising it on an admin's page, as you've done here, as this can cause offence to them, and issues are best sorted out without them escalating onto a 3rd party's page. It's especially important to avoid accusing another editor of vandalism (i.e. a deliberate attempt to disrupt a page) if all they've done is make a change they've not explained or which appears to be a genuine attempt to improve a page, even if you disagree with it. See WP:VANDALISM for more information, and maybe next time just say to that 3rd party editor "I'm a bit unsure if this edit (INSERT DIFF LINK) is vandalism or not - what do you think?"

Of course, if you're convinced an edit is done in bad faith, you can use Twinkle to select and to leave an appropriate notice on the offending editor's talk page. These should generally escalate in 3 or 4 steps and, once an editor has continued editing in bad faith beyond the final (Level 4) warning notice, then that's the time to report the editor to WP:AIV. There an admin can assess the edits and decide on the best course of action. (I seem to spend a lot of my time there, declining requests because the editor has not been sufficiently warned, or because the reporting editor has placed a warning notice and immediately reported the other user to AIV, rather than waiting to see if their warning notice has been seen and acted upon.) Only when they are clearly continuing to transgress should they be reported to AIV. Blocks are issued to stop immediate disruption (or to implement the wishes of the community in certain circumstances where examples of poor editing behaviour are deemed to be causing everyone else problems).

I hope this explanation aids your understanding. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Yea okay I kind of don't know what I'm doing so that is why I asked you Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Nick Moyes. The reason I do not have many edit summaries is because I do a lot of minor edits and it would take a long amount of time to add repetitive summaries for each of them when many of them are self explanatory or quite small. I do not feel as if I have ever vandalized a page, and I make sure to cite my sources whenever required. I will try to leave more edit summaries in the future (especially on bigger edits), but please know I have no ill intentions and have tried to be fair with all my edits in the past. I do listen to criticism but have also not had any major or long-standing problems with those who sent me requests previously. Mediocre Legacy (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, Mediocre Legacy - that really would be appreciated. My view is that a 99% failure to give edit summaries is actually very concerning, so I'm lpeased to hear you say you'll try to do a lot better from now on. Like you' I've also made over 40,000 edits, but have a 98% record of including edit summaries, and I've set my User Preferences to prompt me for them. I do this out of respect for others, and to help me find my own past edits. Feel free to Tick the box for a MINOREDIT, if it's genuinely that, or just say 'updating records' if that's what you're doing. 'Adding ref' (or even +ref) says you're inserting a source. It would be great to hear you say you'll set your User Preferences to prompt you to do this, though I can't force you. Like you, I do a lot of my editing from a tiny iPhone5 screen, and rarely have problems leaving edit summaries. I really thank you for engaging here, and hope to see you carrying on with your constructive editing in a clearer way in future. (Chuffed to see your last two edits did exactly that. Keep it up!) Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)  

Also sorry if I caused any trouble to anybody Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both for your understanding. Mediocre Legacy (talk) 23:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that my mistake Sport.07GamerDet (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Midshipman Percy

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ooh Saad. Doug Weller talk 17:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [21]
• Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed. [22]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

Future changes

• The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID searchGoButton for the go button. This is searchButton for Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change to searchButton in Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to use searchButton. You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.

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WikiLoop Battlefield new name vote

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Thank you for your interest and contributions to WikiLoop Battlefield. We are holding a voting for proposed new name. We would like to invite you to this voting. The voting is held at m:WikiProject_WikiLoop/New_name_vote and ends on July 13th 00:00 UTC.

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Editing news 2020 #3

On 16 March 2020, the 50 millionth edit was made using the visual editor on desktop.

Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:

• The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
• More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
• Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
• The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has been increasing every year.
• Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode. You can enable it in your preferences.
• On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
• In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your contribution at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#Titles_of_articles_on_17th_and_18th_century_Irish_language_poets as it is a very valid point. Turns out four of the five poets in question actually do have verifiable English forms of their names. Mabuska ^(talk) 14:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

IP warned

Hey Nick, hope you're doing well. I saw you warned 172.58.43.120 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Just wanted to give you a heads up they are most likely related to Six feet away or six feet under. Your choice. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Wash your hands for 20 seconds (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), among other block-evading accounts and IPs. -- LuK3 (Talk) 00:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you LuK3. I'm glad they were blocked; a bored kid, I expect. But when I'm not sure myself, I prefer to err on the side of ensuring someone is fully warned, rather than immediately blocking, to give them that one last chance. All I had to go on were the contributions which showed they'd last edited 12 hours previously. I'd not seen that style of silly vandalism before. Thank you for letting me know. I hope eventually to gain a deeper understanding of the issues around how CU operates. But for now I'm still gaining general experience as a new admin. That said, I do believe there are certain situations where I feel IPs are not blocked for sufficiently long. For example, I didn't feel the warning given by another admin to 166.181.253.26 was appropriate for some of the horrible comments (some now revdel-ed) they'd made, so I weighed up indeffing versus a 1 year bock. I went for the latter, but it's always a case of trying to judge what is for the best of the project. I'm happy to receive feedback on any actions I take, and will either try to explain/justify or to reconsider in the light of greater understanding. Thanks for stopping by. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I appreciate your response. I completely understand why you warned them. Vandalism fighting helps you pick up on vandalistic behavior patterns so when I saw their edits to the disambiguation pages I wanted to report them to AIV so their fun was cut short. Of course, if there is anything I can help with, feel free to let me know. Thank you again! -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

LuK3 Sure thing- thanks. The one thing I would quite like to ask - of everyone - is not to report a user at AIV if either they've not edited for some time, or if they've not been properly warned. As an admin, it can be frustrating to see editors failing to warn a troublesome user at all, or warn someone and then immediately report them, despite there being no further editing on their part. I used to - and indeed still do - add such an editor to my own watchlist (or equivalent) and keep my eyes on them before warning and then reporting them. I'd like to see editors taking more responsibility to monitor and then only report the user when there's a clear need for admin involvement, so that it doesn't require them to do much backtracking and checking of each person's activity levels and warnings received. This isn't said against you - just a feeling I have in general. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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July 6th 2020

For The Bad News Bears, I believe the spelling is correct because i know that actor he's a relative to me and my dad told me the spelling of Jaime is wrong it's Jayme. ILoveCocomelon (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@ILoveCocomelon: I'm afraid Wikipedia follows what published sources say, not what family and friend say - even if the former are wrong and the latter is right! The source you added and then removed also used the spelling Jaime, so we're stuck with it, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Well we will have to wait and see as time goes by if there is a movie website that has the spelling "Jayme". ILoveCocomelon (talk) 11:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@ILoveCocomelon: Absolutely! My reply didn't mean that we'd never shift our position. But, per WP:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia follows what name is commonly in use, and not what the person or thing is actually called by. That might seem counterintuitive, but that's how we work, as we reflect what the world at large says about a topic via proper, published sources (and that isn't always the same as the truth). I did check every image of the DVD and all the website listings - the DVD didn't list him; all the websites used Jamie, and I could find no social media profile account for them. It's something we'll have to live with for now, I'm afraid. Thanks for the cookie! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: You're welcome and thanks for helping me out!!! ILoveCocomelon (talk) 11:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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• The Score extension has been disabled for now. This is because of a security issue. It will work again as soon as the security issue has been fixed. [23]

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20:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for understanding me even though i can't change the typo :-) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 10:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

115.69.59.49

user:115.69.59.49 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 01:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Advice for newcomers

Hello,
You are receiving this message because you are invited to take part at Wikipedia:Advice for newcomers where you can provide advice that will help our newcomers in the future. It is not a discussion forum, just a place where you say what advice would be helpful to our future editors. I would like to get at least 100 editors to take part in this so please feel free to spread the word to other editors as well. I look forward to seeing what you say to newcomers. Interstellarity (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: An interesting initiative. You've not set up any criteria for additions, such as maximum length. 20 words? 50 words? 500 words? Do you plan to create sub-sections in which to put different bits of advice? I suggest you prepopulate the page with those divisions or otherwise a new edit will be overwhelmed with 100 bits of random, unstructured advice. Are timestamps necessary? How and where would this page be used/promoted? Do you plan to 'curate' this page or just let it develop as a free-for-all? All things worth thinking about before going public. Maybe a better name would be 'Editor advice for newcomers', or something less formal-sounding. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I have moved the page to WP:Editor advice for newcomers. I do not plan on setting up a maximum length for the advice. I don't think the timestamps are necessary. I am unsure how to prepopulate the page. My thinking is that when editors provide advice to newcomers on the page, newcomers can use this advice to help them become better Wikipedians in the future. I don't quite understand what you mean by curating the page, but I am thinking it could be a free-for-all. These are my thoughts on developing this. Interstellarity (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

'Curating' is the modern idiom for anyone who rearranges a few pictures or posts on their website/social media account. (As a professional museum curator, I hate that abuse of the word. But what I mean is that a random list of helpful suggestions is just that - random. No structure; no order; no flow, and probably overwhelming and unreadable and unhelpful. Subdivided and ordered, it can more useful to a newcomer. By way of an example, I use a page collector script to amass Wikipedia pages, essays and guidance names that I find of interest and that I don't want to forget. I think I've 'curated' (sorted and subdivided) only a half of those entries - the second half is a random mess that I'll get around to going through one day. Take a look at the difference: User:Nick Moyes/infopages.) So, you should think of relevant subdivisions into which an editor can place their little peral of wisdom. And, yes, I earnestly suggest you ask people to stick to a maximum length - say two lines. (You know how I can go on!) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I have added some headings to start off with. I have also added a sentence that says to keep the advice to be a maximum of 3 sentences. If it is not good, do you think I should tag the page for deletion and not do this? Interstellarity (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Certainly not - at least, not at this early point anyway. I don't know who you've contacted, but a mix of old hands and new editors might be good. As the 'curator' I suggest you make it clear that you do intend to select out duplicates and keep the best/most helpful - otherwise you might drown in random, repeated thoughts. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Or you could keep it as a work in progress and simply amass other people's short, sensible advice (with a link and a credit) whenever you stumble across a little gem someone says. (It might prompt me to keep my words short!) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I do understand your rationale of removing duplicate comments. I'm not against it, but my concern with that is that it will discourage other editors from contributing. If I can find a way to get around this, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 14:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

These things really are worth thinking out in advance before you rush into them. You could, for example, aim to gather the Top Ten Tips in each category (moving other ones into a hidden section, or over at the talk page. Like any project that goes public - think through the advantages and disadvantages of each approach, and think ahead to work out what might really be of interest and of real use to the target audience. I'm not suggesting it's a vanity project, but planning, planning planning always gets the best results. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I see that I got a few editors comment on that page. If you want to add something yourself, you are free to do so. Interstellarity (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

East Midlands Railway Services Suspected Vandalism

Hello,

Regarding your recent edit revert on the East Midlands Railway about the London st Pancras to Melton Mowbray service. People using Ip adresses have been changing the article when it has been made right E.g the service has been added back as it is a service EMR provides but then the edit reverted by a different user. I personnaly think that the services section should have the London to Melton service. I was wondering though what could be done when people change parts of the article as it is not very reliable and with people removing correct parts all of the time it is becoming quite hard to get anything done to it. There are 2 users in particular User:92.14.199.35 and User:80.2.21.113 that have kept changing the part of the article in question. Could they be classed as vandalising the article as they have kept removing information that is correct. I did revert a edited with the reason "Reverted vandalism of correct and useful information." but I wasn't sure if this was correct so reverted my own edit. I would appreciate any help and guidence. Thanks E.Wright1852 (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@E.Wright1852: I should start by saying that I only reverted the edit because I regard once a day as 'regular', albeit infrequent. I'm not familiar with what other train operating service articles put in their pages, though I never like seeing Wikipedia being used like some timetable service, which will immediately go out of date when the interested editor leaves. It's important that yo don't get into an edit war, and one of the IP editors had posted at the talk page, so I advise you to enter into a discussion and come to some sort of consensus - because you're all interested in seeing a reasonable-quality article at the end of the day. I'm not going to semi-protect the article when all I see is constructive editing, albeit with slightly different views on how it should go. I don't feel it's vandalism. Remember that IP's are human too - so try to work together and agree how the article should look. It's really your move to reply on the talk page now. I'm sure you'll be fine,a nd it's fair that trivia ought not to go into articles if it can be found elsewhere. All the best. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you for your reply I will start a discussion about it to see what people want to do about this service. Thanks E.Wright1852 (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Great. That's always the best way - even if it doesn't work out exactly as you'd have hoped. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Tea house

Thank you for your help at the tea house! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi,

Was it your intention to only block this account for 24 hours. From what I've seen, accounts like these are usually indefinitely blocked. Thanks. 67.170.36.142 (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor. No, that was indeed an error on my part. I did see it at AIV, but normally we only block accounts that have actually already edited, unlike this one. So please report if it actually starts editing - I'll then be happy to extend the block. But not until. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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Autoblock resolved

Thanks Nick, I have been unblocked.

I appreciate the help. Livingstone Imonitie (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad this was sorted. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Alvin Kallicharran

Hi Nick. Would you mind watching this for a bit? There have some recent attempts to completely rewrite the article by accounts claiming to be the wife of the subject and the subject himself. I tried to get WikiProject Cricket involved per WT:CRICKET#Alvin Kallicharran the other day and one of its members has been trying to clean things up, but the account that showed up this morning is edit warring. I posted some things on their user talk page, but I'm not sure whether they even know they have a user talk page. The next revert will push them beyond 3RR and things will not go well for them at AN3. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

OK. Am off to bed soon, but will keep an eye on it. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. - Marchjuly (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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• A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. The mobile main page special casing stopped working 14 July. 60 wikis now have main pages that don't work well on mobile. You can see which ones, how to fix it and how to get help in Phabricator. This is the same problem that was reported in Tech News 2020/24 and 2020/26.

Problems

• There is a problem with the interlanguage links. The interlanguage links are the links that help you find a specific page in a different language. The sorting is broken. The developers are working on a solution. [25]
• Some users keep getting the notifications for the same event. Some of these are old events. [26]
• Some users have trouble logging in. This is probably a browser cookie problem. The developers are working on understanding the problem. If you have trouble logging in you can see the details on Phabricator. [27]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 July. It will be on all wikis from 23 July (calendar).

Future changes

• There is a Printable version link. This will disappear. That is because web browsers today can create a printable version or show how it will look in print anyway. [28]

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19:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Nick, for pointing out the similar pages in other languages. I was looking all over for flags of different countries to indicated availability in different languages and overlooked the obvious list. I was able to the read the other page in Italian, a language I am not quite fluent but stumble with. It has similarities to mine but I think not as complete. I think I left a message on it's discussion or talk page as you indicated but when I submitted the message, I got an error message stating that I should leave my message on the talk page of the user or include a Ping command to the user in message on the discussion page of the Wikipedia page. I grabbed the name of the last user to edit the page and resubmitted it. I hope they see it. I will wait to see if I receive a reply before sending messages to the other languages, which will have to be in English. JiminiVecchio (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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• The Starter kit is now available for wiki communities. This page lists technical resources, tools, and recommendations. These are essential to operate a wiki project. This is mostly useful for smaller wikis where the community has limited experience with this. [29]
• The first features of the Desktop Improvements project are available for logged-in users on all wikis. In order to use them, uncheck Use Legacy Vector in your local or global preferences in section Skin preferences. More improvements are planned. Feedback is welcome.
• On multiple wikis, a UTCLiveClock gadget is available. For wikis that import the gadget directly from mediawiki.org, end users can now choose a different timezone to show instead of UTC.

Problems

• The deployment train for MediaWiki has been blocked this week. [30][31]
• Translation Notification Bot was sending the same message multiple times to every translator. This has been fixed. [32]
• Some users were receiving the same notification multiple times. This has been fixed. [33]

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13:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Paris-Roubaix

Hi, I did some search and found on the news that a Women's race at Paris-Roubaix is forseen for this year for the first time. Maybe we ll need to add a new section or even a new article (probably better). See here.Rpo.castro (talk) 07:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rpo.castro: That's brilliant, thanks. -if you can find a published source that indicates this has either happened, or will happen, it would be great to have in the article. I'd suggest a new section first, then forking off sa appropriate. I wont interfere, as it's not my area, and I hate reverting well-meaning but unsourced edits, as I felt I had to there. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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Evan Luthra

The one I declined is even closer to the deleted article than I expected. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - Podosphaera filipendulae

Many thanks for reviewing the page Podosphaera filipendulae. Much appreciated.--MerielGJones (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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• FileImporter and FileExporter became standard features on all Wikis during the first week of August. They help you transfer files from local wikis to Wikimedia Commons with the original file information and history intact. [34]

Problems

• The mobile skin displays a message at the bottom of the page about who edited last. This message showed raw wikitext. This has now been fixed. Some messages in Structured Discussions and content translation may still appear as raw wikitext. Developers are working on it. [35]

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Question re past colloquy

hi. it has now been over three months since our colloquy a while back, re editing practices. I just wanted to write briefly to make sure we will be able to start from this point on with a clean slate? in other words, that I have fully met the terms of any prior arrangements and restrictions?

with respect, I would like to think we could try to keep any future interactions to a minimum. also, with respect, now that we have reached this point in time, I would like to think that a clean slate could mean that any future interactions should not refer to any supposed past restrictions on my ability to edit, or to make proposals, or ideas, etc, at any venue,

i.e., I hope that I would now be able now be able to interact fully, without restrictions, in the same manner as any existing editor here at Wikipedia?

I am not planning to present any such proposals in the immediate future. however, I just wanted to confirm here that I have met the conditions of the arrangements that we agreed to above. based upon that, I would like to proceed from this point forward with, again, a clean slate, and no further reference to past actions, etc. I hope that sounds okay. I appreciate your understanding. thanks very much. cheers! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sm8900. Thanks for dropping by, and sorry for the delay in responding. Without going back through past conversations and ANI discussions, I am personally quite happy to see you move forward from here. I won't give you carte blanche to repeat some past actions that clearly the community was not happy with, but Wikipedia is a learning experience. Nor am I going to unnecessarily rake over the past. So, providing you've learned from some of those interactions we all had, and do your best to avoid problems arising in future, I'm perfectly OK to put past concerns behind us. You take care. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		a barnstar for you!! I am sure you understand why it is well deserved!! thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 16:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick. thanks so much. I really appreciate your positive reply. and I am very pleased to be able to move forward on a positive note with you, and in our future interactions here. no problem. I will keep your points in mind. that sounds really fine, and very encouraging and positive. thanks! cheers!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Nick for the warm welcome. Rinju2074 (talk) 21:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Rinju2074. I've left some further suggestions for you in my reply at the Teahouse. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Source for the edit

Thank you Nick Moyesfor a wonderful edit. But,I really need the source. Please add the source in this edit. Have a wonderful day. Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 07:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: Erm, I didn't actually touch your draft. The edit (see here) that I assume you are referring to was made by Graeme Bartlett, who can probably help you. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: I added a whole lot of values, and fixed up the chembox. If I see a new chemicals page or draft, I usually try to improve the chembox. Most of the id values have links that are self referencing, The other values for melting point etc all come from PubChem with link in the box. There are notes and references parameters that you might be able to use to link to the source. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it in the Infobox References? Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 13:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: As you didn't ping Graeme Bartlett, he wouldn't have seen your question (though he will now as I've just pinged him in my reply to you!)) I'm afraid I don't work on chemical pages, but it's pretty clear to me that if you look some of the blue links now in the infobox Graeme has added, you are taken to the relevant page about that chemical. Others, like density don't appear to be cited, though a couple of seconds on Google soon finds the answer at  https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Methyl-hexanoate#section=Density

I genuinely don't know if it is convention to give a supporting reference to each value added. It certainly is not a bad thing to do, though might be unnecessary, so long as there are citation links to the relevant documents within the main body of the article. As you're quite new here (and as I can't properly guide you in this area) it might not be a bad thing - once you've readied your article - to go to the talk pages of WP:WikiProject Chemistry and introduce yourself as a new editor and ask for feedback/positive criticism on the draft. It'll easily get approved quickly at 'Articles for creation review, or I could move it into mainspace for you.

What I would suggest is that you ensure you have an inline reference to support the chemical's uses within the article. You are allowed to use the same reference many times to support statements on a page. See WP:REFNAME for how to do that. And don't forget my advice not to sign your posts on a separate line, but simply to place the four keyboard tilde characters immediately after your last sentence. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)    

It is already a stub class article . Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 05:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett and Nick Moyes: It is an article now. Help expand it. Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 05:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett: Messed it again. Help please. Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Urgent semi-protection request for Goatse.cx

Hi there, I noticed that you are one of the only active admins online right now, but I was wondering if you could look into Goatse.cx and provide urgent semi-protection to the page. It is being vandalized by a large number of new user accounts (likely sock puppets of each other) making the same edit and adding inappropriate images onto the page, causing a high level of disruption for the past half hour. Thanks, TribunalMan (talk) 19:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism

Hi. Could please semi-protect Goatse.cx? Unfortunately, the request has gone unanswered, while the severe disruption continues. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 19:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@TribunalMan and M.Bitton: jeez guys - that was a challenge. I was sitting, happily watching TV with the wife and kids. Next time, please would you be kind enough to warn an admin if it's an extreme bit of NSFW. But thanks for reaching out - hope its sorted. (I've also reported the image as a copyvio, which might get an even speedier action at Commons). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes for sure, I can definitely gave an NSFW warning if something like this ever happens again. But I hope this didn't disrupt family time around the TV too much! Nevertheless, thanks for your quick intervention! TribunalMan (talk) 19:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

You're right, I should have warned you. Thank you for sorting it out. M.Bitton (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

No worries - thanks for your hard work, both. Much appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Fangirling Hedgehog Records

Could you take a look at this draft please? It's by the same user (now soft blocked) who created Draft:Anime2012Mii , which you deleted, and several other deleted articles/drafts (Hedgehox (Upcoming IP), Hedgehox Developer. Draft:Hedgehox). This one is never going to be an article either, and I'm concerned about leaving the personal information (names, ages, medical conditions) extant until a six-month G13 can be applied. One's a teen, and one's a kid. I can't see the content of the deleted articles, but I suspect it was just more of the same. I don't think we're doing the editor/s any favours by leaving this draft around in case they come back with a different account. Meters (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: Thanks for the heads up. I take your point and am still pondering the best course of action. Rather than immediately deleting it myself, I might put a CSD on it and thus force a second opinion. Not sure. Will think more, but act soon. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I couldn't decide what action was appropriate myself. Meters (talk) 23:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Gosh - that felt like one of those horrible challenges they throw at you in WP:RFA and then oppose you for being an idiot when you try to offer a response. (I might keep that up my sleeve for later!) On balance, you did absolutely the right to flag this up, and I eventually decided a CSD G11 for promotion plus deletion to protect against the release of personally identifiable information was in the best interests of the individuals mentioned in it. (I'm always open for recall!) Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

It needed to go, I just wasn't sure how. Meters (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for advice

Nick, thanks for your help a while back at Talk:Blockbuster LLC. Looking for some additional insight on a recent post there. Aside from being uncivil, there is a clear UNDUE concern, and I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate to bring this up at WP:NPOVN as a next step of dispute resolution. Perhaps you have an alternate suggestion I should follow at this point? Thanks in advance. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:50, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I've responded on the article's talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate your time again and didn't intend to drag you back in. I'm fine with your assessment and added a few more comments. Thanks again. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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17:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

About Remi

There is only real achievements and not the way you labeled them as: “random achievements” But I will not bother anymore trying to prove anything. Radspeed (talk) 09:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)