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A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Right back at you, sir! Legion of Super-Heroes has quite a history, eh? LonerXL (talk) 04:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Why thank you LonerXL, I am honored and grateful. To be honest I don't recall putting a tremendous amount of work into those articles on-wiki, but perhaps this will nudge me to do so. I do recall having a rather large text file trying to sort out the history. I was a faithful reader in the 60s and even through a fair part of the 70s, but when my daughter was born (81), I missed out on so much of that "Crisis" stuff, which is so essential to understanding the current iteration. It's been ages since I received one of these, hopefully I can earn it in the near future. :-) Best always — Ched (talk) 16:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
copied to User:Ched/Stars

Thank you

Thank you, Ched, for those kind words. I really appreciate them. I hope you are doing well. 28bytes (talk) 14:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

You're quite welcome of course. Normally I wouldn't have even noticed. (I tend to herd to myself these days). When a rfar was brought to my attention however, I felt compelled to look. After what I considered something akin to a travesty, debacle, fiasco, ... in the end a very sad loss for the project, I was drawn to the inevitable fallout that follows. I thought there was a misunderstanding, and just wanted to "put right what once went wrong". I'm ok, still above ground and all that. I hope you and yours are doing well too. Always good to hear from you. Your departure from 'crat and admin is keenly felt. All my absolute best to you. :-) — Ched (talk) 14:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/RIPARCA - please block

Hi Ched, will you please block this user? They have been reported to AIV about 45 minutes ago but they are not letting up. S0091 (talk) 20:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

S0091,  Done. TY for looking out for the project. — Ched (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
THANK YOU!!! Can you also revoke TPA? They are continuing there. S0091 (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank again Ched. S0091 (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
No problem - we aim to please. (and if Mr. Arbcom is watching - that's a metaphorical "we". There's only "me" here.) — Ched (talk) 09:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

removed Enchanter • Carlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

removed Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

About Rollback

Hi, today I wanted to use rollback to fight against vandalism but all the malicious edits I encountered were already reverted. How can I find more opportunity to utilize this tool? Thank you. --V. E. (talk) 18:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Visnelma. I'm not sure I'd go looking for places to use wp:rollback because if you use it incorrectly, then that can cause problems. But if you're looking to help out with vandalism, then you may want to head over to WP:RECENTCHANGES and check that out. ... there should also be a quick link to the left (on the sidebar) that will get you there as well — Ched (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I got it, thanks.--V. E. (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
checkY — Ched (talk) 20:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Mr. Nice Guy (1987 film), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Jack Newman.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy now? — Ched (talk) 07:12, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Rescuing sources

Hi. How can I do this? Thank you. (CC) Tbhotch™ 18:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tbhotch. This is done by the bot: User:InternetArchiveBot (managed by our editor and administrator Cyberpower678). For me, the easiest way to do this is to go to the page you wish to run this procedure, click on the "history" tab at the top, then on the page which lists all the revisions, you should see some text and links near the top. (below the "Filter Revisions"). There should be a line that starts like this:
External tools: Find addition/removal (Alternate)Find edits by user . Page statistics . Pageviews . Fix dead links
and by clicking on the "Fix dead links" you can access the
https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle page.
You may want to read through a recent discussion at the village pump here which covers some of the dos and don'ts of the tool.
In general it discusses the concept that you shouldn't just use this on every page you see, but (like all things) you should use common sense. For me that means pages that have been around for a while, and have been fleshed out a bit. I wouldn't run it on a stub, and because the more recent pages are continually being changed, including the references, I wouldn't run it there either. I do think it's a good tool to run if you're preparing an article for WP:GA or WP:FA though. I hope that helps. — Ched (talk) 19:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I'm gonna use it on my old GAs as I've been updating them but this is the most time-consuming process. Appreciated. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
You're quite welcome, always glad to help where I can. Good luck with your articles, and happy editing. — Ched (talk) 22:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

LTA

Hello, thank you for blocking Tribalduke. Could you please extend the block and make it indefinite? They are LTA Evlekis and this is their third account today. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:33, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

hello Ashleyyoursmile, .. I'm looking at their contribs. and while I'm perfectly comfortable with blocking for this (which I rev. del) ... I'm less comfortable with the sock and LTA stuff. Since User:Girth Summit has been so very kind in helping me learn these things - I'm hoping he will notice the ping and look at it. — Ched (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Let me try that ping again without the extra user in it. User:Girth Summit — Ched (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
No worries. I understand your concerns and appreciate your help. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Ashleyyoursmile, - OK, I spent the last hour or so going through a bunch of stuff, and I'm comfortable that Tribalduke is at the very least a sock of a couple other accounts that have been indef blocked by other admin(s). That coupled with the PA stuff convinced me to increase to indef. If you want to request that the name(s) be added to the LTA Evlekis I'd say that's fine too. Either way - that account is now indeffed. — Ched (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
That's very kind of Ched. Thank you very much. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 13:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Yay! Outstanding work. Thanks for watching. It's a relief to know we have some amazing admins around. --ARoseWolf 14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey Ched, sorry to be late to the party - been extra busy at work the last couple of days. I'm assuming this is all cleared up now. I'm familiar with that LTA's name (they're a very regular customer at SPI), but I don't personally know their 'tells' off the top of my head. I've seen GeneralNotability request global lock on meta a few times, he might have some thoughts. Your four dimensional (?) blue cube thing is currently bending my brain by the way... GirthSummit (blether) 18:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
@Girth Summit: I started an edit yesterday just to have it on my screen and watch it (lol). --ARoseWolf 18:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  • - I'm content that for all practical purposes this particular account is resolved. I have no objection to anyone adding it to a LTA however. re: "the Cube" - that concept/idea came from the edit notice that RexxS had on his talk page (User talk:RexxS when you clicked on "edit"). I find it easy to become hypnotized by it (and that's the excuse I use when I'm slow in responding to my TP messages.) :) — Ched (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
RexxS's has already occupied my time this morning. I sat here staring at his for a while. --ARoseWolf 19:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
When you have looked enough, perhaps put his image on your user or talk page. You can take it from my talk or Bish's who changed to his real name. You can find like-minded people by looking up where it's linked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
*cough* IJS. — Ched (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I was talking to RoseWolf, or would have indented differently ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt, Bishonen, and Ched: Is there anything that RexxS was really known for saying a lot? Just something short and quick, maybe one line. I found something for Geogre. I'm just trying to capture a little bit of them. --ARoseWolf 20:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
No, just the opposite, he is known for having pondered things long and carefully, looking at both sides of an argument. Look for his name on my user page. User:RexxS/Infobox factors, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I Appreciate the Thank You

Ched, when I was in grade school, back in the B.C. (Before Computers) time period, I decided to grow up and write books for a living. I've been writing for decades (but, alas, never earned much money at it) and learned to research by going to the library and reading non-fiction books. Now my local libraries are getting rid of most of my favorite research books, and I'm told to do my research online.

Many young people research everything online, but much of what they find is rubbish. There are some subjects that mean a great deal to me, so I've made it my project to see to it that others can find good information about them. Classic children's literature and anything connected to the DuMont Television Network are supposed to be my specialties, but I've got sidetracked into various main-stream entertainment projects, thanks to pandemic-fueled depression that keeps me from getting enough sleep. Even though the Wikipedia world doesn't know who I am, it's important to me to only post information that is fair and accurate. It's gratifying to know someone noticed my efforts.

By the way, what movie plot did I add? I don't usually edit film articles. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Karen. <thinking to myself: I knew I should have made note of which article I noticed.> In looking back through things, I believe it was Riders of the Deadline and False Colors that caught my attention. Back when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, Hopalong and Roy Rogers were heroes of mine. Yesterday I was cleaning out a couple of old "add a plot to these" bookmarks, and noticed someone else had already done it (pronoun clarification: 'it' = added a plot to one of the bookmarked articles). It's not often I run across anyone in the 1940s and 1950s film genre, so I looked to see what kind of things you wrote about. Far too often our best editors toil in obscurity, while the noisy complainers get noticed. I just thought I'd take a moment to express my appreciation for what you do. :-)
I agree with the research comments. It's sad to think how many of those growing up today have not enjoyed the fun of finding something special in a card catalog, and sadder still that most of them don't even know what the Dewey Decimal System is.
Hopefully you'll be able to find that elusive sandman soon, and I hope depression is a fleeting foe for you. Thanks again, and Happy Editing. — Ched (talk) 05:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
— Ched since Jimmy Rogers is the only celebrity I've ever said "hello" to (at a HoppyFest in William Boyd's hometown) I decided he should have a Wiki article. I was linking his new article to any film articles he was connected with, and decided to hunt up plots for the Hoppy films he was in. I only attended the Hopalong Cassidy festival because it was close by, but I learned something important there. Jimmy Rogers never impressed me with his acting ability, but he was Will Rogers' son, and he'd inherited his Dad's sense of humor. Oh, what a story teller he was! Karenthewriter (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Karenthewriter - that is a really cool memory, and a great reason for extending that effort. :-) — Ched (talk) 14:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

help

Hi Ched, would you please be able to advise on the situation with Michaelwallace22. You've very patiently engaged with him in the past to persuade him to stop making edits just for the sake of making edits. But now he's using multiple IP addresses to make literally hundreds of pointless (or worse) edits. I left him a note on his talk page yesterday, but to no avail (he's made hundreds of such edits since). What's the best way to work towards the best possible outcome for the project? Thank you, Dr. Vogel (talk) 18:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello DrVogel, - I'll take a look, and reply in a bit. — Ched (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
A similar example from today [1], with yet another IP address. Dr. Vogel (talk) 18:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
This has gotten worse than I imagined. We have WP:CIR issues, with WP:SOCK (WP:LOGOUT), and IMO outright WP:VANDALISM I think. I doubt that if I just blocked that it would stand for very long, and would get overturned. Probably the best way forward would be to post at WP:AN (since it's more than just one incident). A community consensus for a ban is likely going to be the end game here - but it may have to go through a few other steps first.
DrVogel, Aside from Mother's day, and my birthday, there are other things I'm dealing with today - but if you do post at WP:AN then let me know, drop me a link, and I'll try to show my support. If you don't want to go that route, perhaps tomorrow I can look at doing it myself. I wish I could see an easy fix here - but with the IP stuff involved now, it's going to require a more expansive solution. — Ched (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
DrVogel, I've now started a thread at AN here. We'll see what kind of feedback we can get. — Ched (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Happy birthday! And thank you very much for looking into this. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Martok

Thank you on behalf of Wikipedia and Star Trek fans for being a part of the Star Trek project. In case you did not see the article alert, Martok was put up for AFD today here. Lets try to avoid a repeat of Weyoun, which was deleted with one vote! Starspotter (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know ... I support the cause. :) — Ched (talk) 19:40, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

UFO sightings

I'd be interested in my fellow Wikipedians thoughts on the recent information that's been coming out about this. Discuss — Ched (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

gift for myself ...

Ave Maria 19:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

note to self

best reply would be: What are you talking about? What irony? — Ched (talk)


Taking you up on your offer to help

Left you some suggestions here. This would actually make a big difference, since this is gonna wind up being a very lengthy obituary. Thanks much! Risker (talk) 03:45, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Replied there, and tried to make a difference. Will revisit tomorrow, God willing and the river don't rise. — Ched (talk) 07:09, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

TBan questions

Am I allowed a final word and where can I post?Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cheryl Fullerton: - First, apologies for the brevity, but I'm half-asleep here. For the short answers.
  • Am I allowed a final word? - The short answer is NO. If you just want to get something off your chest, then I suppose you could email me, but I won't edit by proxy for you.
  • where can I post? - Pretty much anywhere that's not related (in any way) to Craig Chaquico. I see you're also interested in art and nature, perhaps focus on those areas for a while. Maybe look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts, talk to those folks and see what might interest you. Wikipedia:WikiProject Biology, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life are somewhat related to nature, perhaps look in those areas. I hope that helps. — Ched (talk) 05:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I added plot to The Last Stagecoach West

Hello Ched, I'm researching a new article on Stories of the Century and since the pilot for that syndicated series was later released as The Last Stagecoach West I did some work on that film article, including providing a plot. I checked the edit history and saw you'd recently added a tag for the need for a plot, so I thought I'd let you know that task has been completed. You recently gave me the world-famous Editor's Barnstar award, so I need to keep editing. My plot synopsis only has one reference (and tcm.com may not be considered reference-worthy) but I noticed that many film plots have no references at all, so I've at least tried to be a professional. Not an easy task when seeking a plot for a film as obscure as The Last Stagecoach West! Karenthewriter (talk) 03:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey there Karen, that's great! Thank you for that. I'll remove that from my "to fix" bookmarks folder (which has grown to be an utter monster). As far as references in the "Plot" section - that's not really a big concern. In a sense it self-references itself by the nature of it. As you say: many film plots have no references at all - It's pretty much SOP that references aren't usually needed in the Plot section. IIRC, its even mentioned somewhere in the MOS:Film style guide. I'll have a look in detail tomorrow some time. (provided I can remember that far .. lol) — Ched (talk) 06:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Looks good Karen, you're very good at the "thewriter" part .. lol. —

Ched (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

— Ched (talk) when I was in grade school I decided to grow up and write novels for a living. That didn't happen, but I've been published in printed-on-paper periodicals, and have attended a monthly writers group since before computers became a household norm. I never figured out how to make much money, but learned the knack of writing a good sentence. All it takes is 50 years of practice (something most Teahouse question writers haven't figured out yet). Thanks for noticing my "hobby" skill. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

May thanks

Thank you for improving articles in May, and for improving editor interactions! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Gerda, Thank you for that. And thank you for your efforts in both those areas, which are much greater than mine, or really most editors. I really have put in a lot of time (I read before posting) and effort into the project. I suppose my article work dipped a bit in the past month, but I feel I should be aware of the tone and tenor of the project, and I've always enjoyed encouraging new(er) editors too.
While you're here - I have some good news on the Infobox front. It seems that our {{short description}}s are now using infoboxes to automatically fill in the info. (pretty soon, the encyclopedia will just write itself .. lol). Anyway - as you can see at Template talk:Infobox film in the Shortdesc section, the short description pulls information from the Infobox. I guess {{infobox school}} and {{infobox award}} do the same. To some extent I'd say Arb endorsed, at least in perception if not in writing. I suppose you could approach Primefac and ask for the same with {{infobox composer}}, {{Infobox musical composition}} and even {{Infobox person}} eventually. — Ched (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Not completely related but I have found where there are several articles on lakes, rivers, glaciers, mountains and protected areas that do not have infoboxes. I am painstakingly going through them to find those without and add them. Is there an easier way that you know of to locate articles without infoboxes? If not I will keep clawing away at them. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with any List of articles without an infobox, and I suspect its creation would be met with some resistance. I don't know of any semi-automated way to find them either. Maybe someone else has an idea - IDK. Sorry — Ched (talk) 14:08, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Sure ;) - /edit conflict, wrote this before I saw your comment:) Completely related: nothing easier than that. You two are members of the cabal, no, and here's all you need: WP:QAI/Infobox, especially Category:Wikipedia infobox backlog - oh, blushing, no it was only on my user page, will add, still a useful page I think. - Its talk was deleted as an attack page, DYK. Because it listed articles where infoboxes were reverted - listing is an attack, obviously. - Good news: the infobox wars - if they ever existed - are over. All opera sidebars - back then their competition in the favour of editors - were deleted. Even Joseph (opera) - heavily debated back then - has now an infobox after a short and sweet debate, - that nailed the end for me ;) - However, a friend has surgery today, - thinking of her, what are these little boxes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Wow! Look at you! Coming through in a pinch. Everything I asked for in that category. Thank you. :) My thoughts for your friend. I shall sing songs over her for a speedy recovery. --ARoseWolf 14:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. After the surgery, there's hope. I'll listen later. Ched, I'd like to keep the topic in this corner if I may. (I said it in German on my talk.) She loves the Biebl Ave Maria which I put up on my talk thinking of her, on top of my song of defiance of death and fear. I think there's a YouTube in the article, if not look for Chanticleer (ensemble). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
All my prayers. — Ched (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Glad to hear the surgery went well. :) Thank you both for being such wonderful people. That is such a beautiful composition. I love Ave Maria and I was so glad that Andrea recorded his version in his latest released album. It's not the first time he has sung it but one of the first times he has recorded it. --ARoseWolf 20:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I lost you: which Andrea, which Ave Maria (Schubert, Bach/Gounod, Bruckner (2), that Biebl, and countless others others, including a dramatic heartbreaking scene in Verdi's Otello, she praying before he kills her, not without asking if she has prayed ...)? Biebl takes at least seven singers to perform, no accompaniment. I checked, there is a YT in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, it's pretty much all over my head. Sadly I never had all that much exposer to the fine arts, which includes classical music. I enjoy it when I hear it, but indeed much of it is lost on me. Sorry. — Ched (talk) 21:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Ched, I asked RoseWolf ;) - How would you know? Listen to the Biebl, though, I bet you'll like it. Interesting story also, how an obscure German men's chorus piece made a world career because good people loved it, - Chanticleer that is. Met them in 2000 when they sang a concert in Idstein! My friend - the one with the surgery - made a trip to New York City to listen to them. Similar trip today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt My apologies, Gerda. Andrea Bocelli is who I was referring to. On his latest album called Believe he does his rendition of Ave Maria which is found in only the refrain of Biebl's Ave Maria. That is an amazingly interesting story but then they are very good at singing it so it stands to reason they would do well. I have always had a fondness for classical music even though I am definitely a child of the 60's/70's born in the late 80's. Sorry for hijacking your talk page, Ched. Thank you for being such an awesome host. --ARoseWolf 12:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, and no apology needed, ever ;) - Look where Ched pointed below, so I knew Schubert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Good news about our patient: she's breathing on her own again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Great news indeed!! So glad to know this. Still singing songs of recovery for her. --ARoseWolf 15:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
She's home! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Yay! I wish for her a swift recovery and more, that she be well and whole. Bless her and bless you, Gerda, for being so attentive to the needs of others. --ARoseWolf 12:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Rupert1904

No need to justify/apologise or anything like that - I appreciate your message to them. Hopefully it gets through. GiantSnowman 14:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, I was going to just post on your talk - but I see you cleaned up, and I hate to be the first litterbug in a clean room. Anyway, in checking back, it looks as if their efforts are back to editing in content areas. I'll look in from time to time, but if you see anything approaching a problem again, please feel free to ping me. — Ched (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Many thanks - yes, I've archived as I noticed that as well, and the ANI discussion appears to have ground to a halt. Hopefully something has got through to them, but I'll let you know if not. GiantSnowman 15:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Eric

While this is probably a troll (it's not like it's the first time somebody thought "let's troll Eric and watch him rise to bait!" is it?), there is a thought in the back of my head that suggests it's plausible. Fingers crossed it's just a crank. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, that IP tagged 15-20 users the same way in a period of maybe 20 minutes. Yes, when I first saw it, my heart sank, but I can confirm that Eric is just fine. Likely just a matter of bored children in their parents basement. :-) probably should have blocked for at least a week ... but meh. — Ched (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Glad it's just a troll. Perhaps the IP needs to be blocked. Basement or not it's shameful. --ARoseWolf 19:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
And they are blocked and requested to be unblocked and were denied. I should go into play-by-play reporting or something, not. --ARoseWolf 19:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
What would have been funny is if they had added it to my talk page so I could edit from the beyond the beyond. I kinda feel deceased after making repairs to three cabins this weekend. My body aches. But seriously, its not funny. Glad they have been stopped. --ARoseWolf 19:33, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Tsistunagiska, Sounds like a plan. :-) — Ched (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Please watch over my talk: I don't want that template - don't template the regulars ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I swear to you, on every syllable that has ever been spoken from my mouth, that I WILL NOT allow that template to be put on your talk page should anything ever happen for as long as I am here. I will be indef banned before that ever happens. --ARoseWolf 20:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Tsistunagiska, I managed to cut my middle finger repairing an old iMac yesterday lunchtime. I've no idea how I did it, I just looked at it, thinking it felt a bit sore, and there was blood running down it. I need all my fingers in good working order for gigging.
And have a rest by all means, so you can back recharged and we can all feel better reading your lovely monologues on life. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
PS: "I should go into play-by-play reporting or something, not." Well, you know they're looking for admins? How are you on fielding "What is the purpose of your username" questions? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
we'll see what comes first, - I hope my death because I'd hate to see you banned, - I'll do what I can to not see that happen - Ritchie, sorry about your finger, - I twice cut one badly (kitchen, garden), but long ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Hope your finger feels better and heals quickly. I do have some "natural" things you could use on it, if needed, but I suspect it will heal fine. You should definitely be a comedian. That's funny stuff right there. The day I ever tried to be an admin here you all would seriously need to question my health and if I am actually doing okay. But in response I would say, "Don't ask me questions unless you expect detailed answers." I could literally describe my life experiences so well you would feel like you were there, like they were your experiences. I live with it every day and I have become intimately acquainted with my past despite my grandmother having tried to shield me from it. It's not all sad but not all easy to digest and there are parts of it that I wouldn't wish for another Song to ever encounter, much less endure. @Gerda Arendt: I don't plan on either being the case anytime soon. Too much work still to do here. --ARoseWolf 20:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)x? Gerda, yes, your user and talk pages are on my watchlist. I'll certainly remove such things from your pages, unless you send me an email that confirms such a thing. :-) — Ched (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
{{deceased}} - I'll possibly not be able to email you under the condition, so better do it before, here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Ritchie, I can only speak for myself - but I find my minor injuries more and more difficult pin to a particular action, but please be careful - your input is greatly valued at the keyboard - all fingers required. No comment on an iAnything. :) — Ched (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Off topic

  • Rose Wolf - I was going to email you, but since that's not an option - I did want to give you a heads up. You may want to have a look at: this and this before User:you know who comes knocking. Mind you I'm not complaining, just wanted to let you know you may see some pushback down the road. — Ched (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    The last one who signed with a new name: his name is now the new name, and beautiful --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    That's quite a change from User:The Ultimate Boss to Shoot for the Stars. Hope they do well. — Ched (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Would have just changed my username but that's not an option. Tsistunagiska was my birth mother's name. I thought I was honoring her by using it here but I got chastised by my aunt for using it so I thought changing it to ARoseWolf would still honor her and stay true to myself. That's why. It's nothing malicious. I would gladly change usernames to it. --ARoseWolf 10:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    Also, I'll fix the email situation. I had it linked but got all kinds of weird emails so I de-linked it. --ARoseWolf 10:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    I requested a name change. I checked beforehand and confirmed it was available still. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, Ched. I had no idea you could change your username. I think I will keep my signature the way it is but it should be in compliance as long as it is my username. --ARoseWolf 13:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    Tsistunagiska, You don't have to change your name for me. I never thought for one second it was malicious. I was just giving you a heads-up about what could come in the future. BHG has been around for a long time, and once she sets her sights on something, she doesn't easily drop the stick so to speak. It can be a positive attribute in some respects, but it can also cause everyone (including her) a lot of grief.
    I remember when I first saw your name and looked it up, saw it was a translation meaning "wild rose", and thought it was a very clever sig. (and I think I mentioned somewhere that I used to go by "Lone Wolf" online, so always think positive when I see that). The email thing is a double-edged sword, as you already know. If you do want it to be available, then I think the "preferences" option is the better way than just posting it. IIRC, if you do get something from someone you don't care for, I think there's an option to just block that one user. Also IIRC (yea - memory isn't what it used to be), you can't just click that "email this user" link to the left.
    Anyway - definitely if you do change the name, then let me know, and I'll switch which pages I'm watching. (and I'm sorry about how your aunt feels). — Ched (talk) 13:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Ched: I'm thankful you brought it up and Gerda Arendt put me on the trail of figuring out how to get it done. I've wanted to change it for a while but didn't know how. I used to have a long description on my user page about Tsistunagiska, its meaning and how it's spoken. Took it down after the discussion with my aunt. A lot of Native cultures, not individuals but as a whole, do not trust Wikipedia. There are Native/Indigenous people editing but not a lot of cultures will get behind the project. We have a Cherokee Wikipedia. I have tried to get support for it from the three federally recognized tribes but none of them will support it. They simply don't trust that they won't be mischaracterized. Most ceremonies and traditions are closely guarded. Even though some outside groups/websites may present truthful material they will also include new age material in them and, regardless, the majority don't want that information on Wikipedia. I fell victim to it in the name of trying to enhance the encyclopedia with knowledge. After stern rebukes and coming to an understanding, I can see that it is with reason that they with hold this information. ARoseWolf actually has a lot of meaning for me. I'm thinking that will be the name I write my memoirs by if I can find a publisher one day who will actually publish my scribbles. --ARoseWolf 14:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    Tsistunagiska, re: A lot of Native cultures, not individuals but as a whole, do not trust Wikipedia well - ummm - to be perfectly frank, *I* do not trust Wikipedia. It's fine for entertainment purposes, Sport, Films & TV, some military things, cars, etc., but it's about the LAST place I would look for any medical, political, religious, etc. for honest, unbiased, factual, meaningful information. IJS. Yes, Native American culture is very distrustful of "main stream" America - and with very good reason. I used to attend weekly meetings of a local chapter, and I fully understand. We had multiple Cherokee, Sioux, etc, but I was the only Ojibwe. I loved and lived with a Cherokee woman (from Arizona) for a couple years as well. I was really devastated when she passed. I respect your aunt's views, just sorry it caused you concern. — Ched (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Ched: I very much respect her too. It's why I am seeking to honor her wishes. I am so sorry for the loss of that lovely Song in your life. I know you cherish the moments. Hold it in your heart forever. Keep it safe. --ARoseWolf 15:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Ched, Gerda Arendt, and Ritchie333: It is done. --ARoseWolf 12:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
    Ah okay, you realise I'll have to put you on Wikipedia:Editors who may be confused along with Rosiestep and Redrose64 now? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Ritchie333: Oh, someone is trying to work on their charm affect (lol). I am quite flattered to even be mentioned in the same sentence but I doubt anyone would ever seriously confuse me with such great people and editors here on this encyclopedia. They have contributed so much to the advancement and improvement of this entire project throughout the years. --ARoseWolf 13:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf:, hey, congrats on that! If only all the editors were so willing to work with others like that. Ritchie, and yet ANOTHER page I didn't know about. You're really on a roll these days, 3 within a week or two. I may have to start User:Ched/Pages Ritchie taught me about. :) I think I'll add Courcelles and Carcharoth to that list - it took me a l.o.n.g. time to wrap my head around those two. — Ched (talk) 15:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

First I have seen of it too. Its a cool page. I think I will watchlist it to keep up with the changes. --ARoseWolf 15:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

today

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

It's a nice article, glad he got to see his dream come true. - but I don't think I want to comment on the youtube video. — Ched (talk) 11:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
You mean the short video? There's a long lecture in the article, and the complete opening ceremony, but both with much German. If you don't like the music in the short go for mute ;) - Shortly before the end, you see a row of people. It was the third from the left who wrote about his death, in her regular Christmas letter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

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Editing news 2021 #2

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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

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00:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so very much

I wanted to reinforce that all that work you did with supporting information for SarahSV's obituary did not go to waste at all. I'm glad someone else had the presence of mind to link directly to that page, but it certainly informed a lot of what I wrote, and it is interwoven into the body of the article by many of the contributors. I really appreciate you jumping in, it has made everyone's work easier - and you did a fantastic job of it. Risker (talk) 02:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Awww dang. Thank you so very much for that Risker. It's so nice to be appreciated. Actually, you are the one who deserves the kudos here for getting this whole thing off the ground. Your kindness is boundless, and I feel honored to be a part of it. It's a bit difficult because of the circumstances, but I picture Sarah looking down with a big smile and that makes it easier. You have no idea how much I appreciate you taking the time to drop by to say those wonderful things. Thank you so very much. Now I have to go get something out of my eye. :-) — Ched (talk) 03:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Risker and Ched: Awww, It's so strange but I got something in my eye after reading that too. "The best of humanity" keeps coming to mind. We need more like the both of you. Selfless, kind, caring, empathetic, understanding, all characters traits of a healthy Song. Thank you both for being who you are. --ARoseWolf 13:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry Ched, I'm very late to the game. I still have your ping at the top of my page only now realized I never replied - not being rude or ignoring, just really spacy for some reason. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Obituary/FA-GA is very nice page and extremely helpful. Thanks for the work and putting it into a table. Victoria (tk) 21:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Victoriaearle, there's absolutely NO need to apologize for anything. Sarah's death hit a LOT of people very hard, and I'm sure many of us have missed a lot of things. I'm not even sure what the ping was for, but likely just to acknowledge what you were working on. I do greatly appreciate the kind words, but truth be known, Risker is the one who started that page - I just tried to fill it out as best as I could. From what I've seen, I've gathered the impression that you and Sarah were pretty close - so you do have my heartfelt sympathies for the loss of your friend. (and I extend that to all of her friends and family). Thank you again, not only for your kind words and efforts on her memorial, but also for all the work you do to improve our project. You're really are one of the really good ones out there Victoria. — Ched (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


  • note for future reference: [2] and [3]

Obit

Hi Ched. You obv have a lot more institutional knowledge that me, esp on admin type matters, so asking that you pls refine, delete or expand on this edit pls. I have the overall gist, and think there is a significant sentence or two needed to sum up, but am a faulty bot and help needed. Best. Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Ceoil, Thank you for the kind words, and I'd be happy to take a look at it. I know you have far more experience in FA quality writing than I do, so I am very honored that you'd ask. — Ched (talk) 02:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure that highlighting her work on "Right to vanish" is a net positive, as it has been an extremely problematic guideline for the project since the day it was written. I'd be in favour of marking it historical since there is not a globally recognized "rigght to vanish" throughout the Wikimedia world, is outside of the control of the English Wikipedia community (there are only global renames nowadays) and it has largely been supplanted by the Cleanstart guide. I'd say at least half of the users who tried to use that guideline wound up getting themselves in big trouble because they didn't really have any intention of vanishing. Risker (talk) 03:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Risker, I just went with what was there, but I don't have any objection to it being removed. I don't see any edits from her in the early (2013) history of Cleanstart, so there's not really even a segue there to work with. — Ched (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it was "older problematic history" that "need not be addressed in an obituary", but "[mine] is not to reason why" :-) — Ched (talk) 07:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


Your reading ,,,

... ohhh, it's among the best! ---Sluzzelin talk 20:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, well in all fairness, I have to give SubjectiveNotability credit for the reading suggestion. :) — Ched (talk) 20:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
(TPS) I'm a Bloom County fan myself, though I do like the other as well. Intothatdarkness 21:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I always liked Doonesbury myself - gosh I miss real newspapers. — Ched (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Love 'em all, and The Boondocks, Krazy Kat, Peanuts. (and plenty not to love). Yet, I'll always adore C&H. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Kindred spirits here then. Very hard to pick a "favorite" for me, I liked all the ones mentioned. I do agree with Intothatdarkness on Bloom County, and I'd definately add Wizard of Id to the mix, with The Boondocks, C&H, Garfield (poor Jon) rounding out my top 5. Always loved The Family Circus, Cathy, and Blondie (comic strip), as well. The Far Side could be hit or miss for me - sometimes hilarious, but sometimes I just looked and said "huh"?
I really did enjoy the smell of a newly printed newspaper, and that tactile feel would be hard to explain to a young-un. I actually had 2 jobs that played into that many years ago. I worked as a temp in the print shop for the local Bayer complex for about 6 months, and was the "on call" computer tech for a newspaper distribution hub in Pittsburgh. (I could bill high and loved the smell, but I hated those 3:00 am calls) — Ched (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Of the newer strips I quite enjoy Pearls Before Swine. Intothatdarkness 00:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

rfa debriefing

I'd like to be able to add it to Category:Wikipedia RfA debriefings, but (I think?) it needs its own page. —valereee (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

copy/paste to User:Ched (public)/RfA - and added Cat. — Ched (talk) 01:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Song titles

You changed some Sinatra songs, so you can perhaps enlighten me on capitalisation of song titles which has remained a mystery. In German, we don't make changes for something being a title, lowercase and uppercase stay the same. I understand that in English some words get "up" but others not. For hymns, we use sentence case with quotation marks, and things remain "low". Where are the rules? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I used a script to do a "general formatting". It's based of of the WP:MOS guidelines. I'll try to find it for you. — Ched (talk) 14:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
OK, just a real quick look through MOS, and I'm not finding what I really wanted, but: Looking at a couple of them All or Nothing at All you'll see that the actual article title the words "or" and "at" are lower case. The same with Blame It on My Youth, the "on" is not capitalized. I'll try to find a more formal link for you, but in general, even in titles small words that don't really impact the meaning (is, to, or, at, on, etc.) are not capitalized. I'll try to find something about it in the English language - even if it's not on Wiki. (ping @Gerda Arendt:) — Ched (talk) 14:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Helpful already. For why some capital but others not perhaps compare A Boy was Born where enough agreed that the "was" has to be upercase to make a change from the creator's name - which I still find horrendous. Perhaps there's a guideline in the discussions. For me, no Wikipedia guideline should trump how the author(s) named something. - The other question: why not use sentence case throughout when quotation marks tell from where to where a title goes? "Blame it on my youth", otherwise, why "on", but "It" and "My"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Also edit conflict. Another: today seems to by MoS day, - see GoodDay for the question under which circumstances to link Berlin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) OK, I did find a couple things that may help: My main reference book is The Chicago Manual of Style, and you can find an online copy here. For a brief understanding of capitalization in titles and using prepositions see this. I'll keep looking for our MOS on it (and maybe if I have any (talk page watcher) that might know they will offer the MOS link). — Ched (talk) 14:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
For titles in quotes in a sentence, I would think it should read as the actual title does. ex. I enjoy listening to "Blame It on My Youth" to relax. (the jazz one .. lol). — Ched (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, understanding better already. What I don't grasp is: why quotation marks at all if there's a title, Blame It on My Youth marked by both italics and sentence case? - For hymns, there often is no true title but just the beginning of the lyrics, - why not have those in sentence case? "Segne du, Maria" - DYK tomorrow, so kindly click on it once more then ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Different request, and already placed on WP:ERRORS but to no avail yet: In Template:Did you know/Queue/5, Cordula Wöhler is mentioned which could be linked, Cordula Wöhler. It's not the best article yet, but should be good enough to be better than nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

This one was done, with happy congrats to the subject on her birthday, - which was coincidence, - I smiled when I saw it. I found a decent scientific ref now, - all fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

"Prepositions, articles, and conjunctions aren't capitalized (unless they're the first or last word)." isento (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help. Nice article Gerda - good luck with the views. — Ched (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Found it: MOS:CAPTITLES — Ched (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Interesting read. I think you have a wrong German example there: "Hymnus an den heiligen Geist", should be "Hymnus an den Heiligen Geist" if the Holy Spirit is meant, and not some holy spirit. Compare Nun bitten wir den Heiligen Geist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda for noticing, although I can't say it's been my best month. And Thank you for your places and songs page - very nice. — Ched (talk) 21:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
wish I could offer you some of the strawberry cake --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I would love that too. I did pick some black raspberries from our field the other day though .. those were good too. — Ched (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Mmmmmm, I can taste the strawberries and raspberries. Throw in some blue berries and wild black berries. Yum, all the combinations of flavors dancing on the tongue and bursting like fireworks in the mouth. Sweet, sour, earthy, gritty with a touch of tang. Mmmmm, brings a smile to my face. --ARoseWolf 16:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
some berries from the farm for ARoseWolf
fresh food is the best. :-) — Ched (talk) 13:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
colorful foods are the best
Like wildflower salads...yummy...I want one now. :( --ARoseWolf 16:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Ched, I updated my impressions, with thanks for your efforts for the Signpost obit that finally appeared. Yesterday (see bottom there), I had the chance to take one pic of three people "with an article" yesterday, - hasn't happened before. Sibelius and Mendelssohn's Reformation were the lovely occasion, - listening to the first live concert this year, on livestream in today's version (- president's speech, + another Mendelssohn). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Admirer?

@Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Ipigott, Ched, and Ritchie333:, It appears I have an admirer of sorts, possibly? See here. Just telling you so if you see the name pop up you know it isn't me or an alternate of me. I have no affiliation with this Tsistunagiska at all. This is my one and only account. --ARoseWolf 12:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

That didn't take long. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tsistunaɡiska I'm a bit unnerved they would use my mothers name but I have to remind myself that they probably didn't look that deep into it. The connection to Italy is what is even more disturbing. Perhaps they saw me on an Italian project. Not sure how they connected the dots like that though. Weird stuff. I'm waiting to see what the check finds. I don't plan to say anything unless I am brought up somehow. At least this way my mothers name wont be used as an ID again without getting it cleared. --ARoseWolf 15:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
ARoseWolf, Hey Rose Wolf - I need to head out the door for a bit - but I promise to take a look when I get back home this evening — Ched (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
It's more for amusement than anything. Enjoy your time out. I expect a full report when you return, with details. Take me away from these white walls (lol). --ARoseWolf 16:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
ARoseWolf, well .. enjoyment wasn't the task really, and I'm sorry about the "white walls", but more of the same ... doc office. So, details: ummm - traffic, drizzle, and stopped for a cheeseburger on the way home. Any further details will have to be by way of email - I'm sure wiki isn't interested in Ched trivia. :-) — Ched (talk) 01:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Awwww, I want a cheeseburger. --ARoseWolf 01:30, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Just catching up on this, I initially thought "admirer of sorts" meant the sort of person who would send you a bunch of roses in the mail with a box of chocolates attached. I'm not sure how common a name Tsistunagiska is and whether there's a reasonable explanation that somebody else would choose that account name. I've soft blocked the account as a doppelganger, which means they will be unblocked when they give a new username. As for cheeseburgers, I'm mostly vegetarian these days, though I've discovered Burger King do a reasonable veggie burger. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Tsistunagiska is a Cherokee word/name. It is pronounced Chees-d(t)oo-nah-g(k)ees-ka. The "d" almost sounds like a "t" where you keep your tongue on the bottom and pressed against your teeth. The "g" almost sounds like a "k". It's not very common, even among Cherokee, though it has been used before. What is even more strange is the editor's connection to Italy and Italian related articles. A coincidence that I spent the first eleven years of my life in Italy and have talked about it on various user talk pages? Perhaps but it caught the attention of some others who felt the need to let me know. Regardless, thank you, Ritchie. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

Guideline and policy news

  • Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
  • An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

Technical news

  • IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

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