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About Template:Infobox gene

Hello. I was translating English pages to Korean, and I found something is wrong in RNA expression pattern. When we see ko:락토페린(en:Lactoferrin), RNA 발현 패턴(RNA expression pattern) segment is displayed as n/a. I collected opinions at Korean wikipedia already, but had difficulties solving problem. I found that when I set Korean label at wikidata, that item does not appear at RNA expression segment. What is wrong with this? --LR0725 (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LR0725, I'm afraid I'm not understanding what your problem is. But in any case, it is unlikely that anybody on en-wiki can help you with a problem on ko-wiki. Going to ko:락토페린, it seems to me that the link ko:RNA 발현 in the infobox works, so maybe the problem is fixed? Or is it that you want the whole of "RNA 발현 패턴" to be the link? I'm afraid I can't help then. ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine! Surely, I know that asking at ko-wiki is the best choice, but it wasn't solved at all. Problem is that when we see 'RNA expression pattern' space at Lactoferrin, it appears like "Human: Top expressed in trachea, cancellous bone...". But at ko:락토페린, nothing but n/a is shown at corresponding 'RNA 발현 패턴] space. I have no idea why this happens. LR0725 (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You will understand when you press [show] at enwiki. Maybe I should have more discussion with kowiki users. This problem is making me crazy. LR0725 (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see it now. I'm afraid I can't help. Templates are not shared between Wikipedias - they must be copied and edited. I think the same is true of Lue modules, though I'm not certain. So you probably need to be talking to somebody who is familiar with ko:틀:유전자 정보 - perhaps on its talk page ko:틀토론:유전자 정보 (though I don't think anybody's created that yet)? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Oh, thanks for your advice. I tried to solve the problem at ko:위키백과:질문방, kakaotalk, and discord, failing to solve though. I heard that Template:Infobox gene is not gaining data from wikidata from other user at kowiki. ko:틀:유전자 정보 is copied from Template:Infobox gene, so I thought we could get some adivce from here. LR0725 (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Approval

@Akevsharma I have seen a draft on Indian musician K. N. Shashikiran with great content, kindly approve it Avbns (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Hello Avbns, the draft is not submitted for the review. Drafts are reviewed by AfC reviewers and there's no need to ping individual editors once you submit it for the review. Ratekreel (talk) 06:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Avbns it also makes sense not to submit it until it is ready for publication. Although it now has references, I suspect it will still get rejected. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. It is a dry and neutral site giving only information about people that can be found in sources that were not written at the behest of the subject of the article, that are not press-releases or promotional interviews; in fact anything from an interview is treated as very suspect. At the moment, this article reads like a fan-site, and it contains unsupported statements such as "He has won innumerable prizes and accolades for his prodigious talents and work for the promotion of Indian Culture through Carnatic Music". This simply won't pass muster. We cannot write "prodigious talents" unless we are quoting a secondary source, and unless the secondary source actually said it without the least prompting. The best you can do for the article at the moment is search for really good neutral sources, and remove some of the puffery. The awards section also doesn't bear scrutiny. If you start looking at these awards, many of them seem extremely difficult to trace, and possibly far from notable. The only awards relevant here are things that cannot be bought, can be proven to exist, and that carry real weight. I recommend that you try looking at the Jaycees one, for example, to start to see the problems: it's mis-spelled in the unconvincing source, Google produces no hits that aren't the product of the subject of the article, and the wiki-linked organisation doesn't seem to have anything to do with it??? 79.64.7.76 (talk) 14:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Article for approval

@KylieTastic I've seen a draft on K. N. Shashikiran with great content, please approve it. Avbns (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Discussion on the draft K. N. Shashikiran

@Akevsharma@KylieTastic and everyone else, I have made edits to my draft and published it again and there has been no discussion about it since then. My request to kindly check it again and let me know.

Regards,

@Sreeja Addala Sreeja Addala (talk) 06:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You have made one (admittedly sustantial) edit since the draft was last declined, and nobody has resubmitted it for review. Whole sections of the draft are unreferenced. This is not acceptable in a biography of living persons. There are also many external references in the text, which is not permitted: see WP:EL. ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Unbold everything except the initial bolding of his name. Reference everything. If cannot be referenced, remove. Delete all non-significant awards. Delete most of the images. Cut the article length by half, including all the famous name-mentions (notability is not contagious). David notMD (talk) 09:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Sreeja Addala blocked for three weeks for having created sockpuppet Avbns as a means of lauding the draft and promoting it to be accepted. Not cricket. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I predict that the editor mislabeled the image as "own work"; it looks like a professionally-done studio portrait (but it could be own work). is there a place at Commons to mention this, or do these always get found? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Good catch. "Those always get found" only if reported. The editor has uploaded many such pictures, including one with a watermark from the Hindu. I will try to follow commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Mass_deletion_request, but please check if I did not miss any file. EDIT: see commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_User:Sreeja_Addala. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 18:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Editing wiki article "Priest (writer)"

Brand new editor to Wikipedia, I thought I'd get my feet wet with picking a random article that needed copyediting. Of course the first one I pulled up was a doozy, Priest (writer). The article appears to be full of quotes translated directly from Chinese, and the citations for the most part don't even link back to the original articles correctly due to the way the links are structured. There also seems to be a lot of unnecessary information added by fans, such as the table of works including the specific sexual orientation of romances and whether there are fan-adaptions of the works.

In short, I have no idea how to begin to tackle an article like this. I sort of poked around the style manuals but I couldn't really find anything that provided an obvious answer to these sorts of issues. Are these the sort of articles that end up getting essentially nuked and completely rewritten, and are better suited for intermediate/advanced users? Does this need to be handled by someone who has a good grasp of both English and Chinese languages? Please let me know, I'm eager to learn how to become a better Wikipedia contributor! Mintopop (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mintopop, welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for being willing to to work on Wikipedia. Start by just sticking to copyediting, which is correcting for grammar, spelling, readability, or layout, not rewriting the article. See Wikipedia:Basic copyediting for how to do it. The things you are talking about are problems, but they aren't what caused the copyedit notice to be placed on top of the page. Or just move on to another article. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mintopop, having bilingual fluency would make the task of fixing this article much easier for you. However, given that its deficiencies are so gross, machine translations of the sources would probably suffice for your purposes. Feel free to be bold, but first, announce your intentions to other editors by posting in some detail on the article's talk page. I hope none of the fans respond to your post and/or edits with objections, but you may freely and gently respond to them with WP:FANCRUFT arguments should that happen. Good luck! Any problems, ask here at the Teahouse.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma and @Quisqualis, thank you for your assistance! I've tried to do the best I can to fix things up within my abilities and learned a few things about Wikipedia along the way. Going to just leave it where it is now and hope someone with more experience is able to solve the remaining issues. Thank you for welcoming me to the community! Mintopop (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

The True History of Covid-19!

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Covid-19 was made many years ago as a UK virus weapon to be used in place of a nuclear one. to help stop destroying our world. our army, navy, and air-force and civil service etc, would take the anti-virus but the invading army would all get ill or die or be weaken from it. it was on a number of documentary's about nuclear weapons and what is to replace them. going back many years. someone else knew about the covid-19 and that it was made with a pig virus and a bat virus forced together in a lab, ie man made. they made a film of it called contagion in 2011. but that took 2 years to make the film. that means they knew back in 2009, they did not know its name. i did before then, and i knew it took 5 years to join the bat and pig virus together. it was only ready as a weapon with a name if they have the anti-virus otherwise its just a test item that wont be mentioned. i knew the name of covid-19 before the film easy. now imagine my shock when PM Boris Johnson told me on tv.... there's a new virus called covid-19....lie! and we will have a anti-virus for it in 6 months time....another lie! the UK had tons of anti-virus ready by 2019. i once worked with citizen advice and still look up things for others, one day saw an item on a Ultra-Nations site (2 letters and rough name are a clue to what site) and there on it was a shocking page, it told me about how they needed a virus to be released because their specialist have worked out at the rate of humans are having their young ie 2-4 kids per family, there wont be enough food for everyone in 100 years time. it then said "the UK PRIME MINISTER HAS NOW ALLOWED COVID-19 TO BE RELEASED" [The only one with the authority to do this] i got all the details from there and it match the documentaries i saw. our PM MR B JOHNSON HAD RELEASED A UK VIRUS WEAPON THEN ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DIE BEFORE HE RELEASED THE ANTI-VIRUS, WHICH HE KNEW HE HAD TONS OF STOCKS OF. I also knew they would keep altering it and issue more anti-virus again and again. they would make money doing that and win public support as saving lives- when in fact they made it and released it, and PM knew he would kill by releasing it. it was stated covid-19/and all its forms would go on for 10 years. we have 7 years left before its stated end date. its 2022 now. everything i said is true. i told the UK MP'S all i knew, they must have checked it- because you can see what happened to the PM, the PM term was cut short by 2 years.

please you must keep my id private, give me a fake name and you wikipedia may contact me or others to contact me if by cost free account if you wish to set it up! this is a true story of covid-19 which many official people have told lies about it. The MP'S know so should the public! the PM lied before his parties shown here! i knew it was a weapon years ago, and a very official site confirmed our PM release it. this is the most important thing recently for you....ive made donations to you before, so i hope you keep my details private but you may contact me wikipedia. 209.93.183.26 (talk) 07:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is for summarizing what independent reliable sources say, not what random IP users say is true. 331dot (talk) 07:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

To 209.93.183.26 and others - there is a firewall between the foundation that operates Wikipedia and the volunteers that maintain and contribute to it. Whether a person makes contributions or not has no impact on their editing. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I wonder why ths British MP's are the keepers of this knowledge... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You should immediately go to the press, who will give you the attention you deserve. The real story of Johnson’s resignation is bound to sell papers (that it’s due to unleashing a severe bioweapon is a secondary matter). Also, they can ensure your anonymity better than any Wikipedian rando can (here’s the Guardian’s SecureDrop, for instance, but almost all serious papers have a similar thing going). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 19:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Huh. Who knew all this time we should have been blaming the Brit's. Bet the Queen was in on it. Oh well, we make better fish-n-chips in Alaska anyway. (Obvious tongue in cheek) --ARoseWolf 19:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Article proposal - meet notability criteria?

Hi all. My father (John William Verrier, deceased) was Manager of the Team GB Olympic Swimming team for the 1972/Munich Olympics, team coach for several other Olympics, Director of Education for the Amateur Swimming Association (ASA, now Swim England), founded the British Coaching Association, and worked for the Federation Internationale de Natation Amateur (FINA) to develop squads from poorer countries following the LA Olympics. He authored 3 books.

I am aware that you don't advise that people write articles where they have personal involvement, but I believe I am mature enough to write a neutral article.

I feel his contribution to UK swimming is material enough to warrant a short obit-style article, but I would like to obtain your opinion. I would obviously need to substantiate this according to Wikipedia standards, but for example: - he was interviewed for a special ITN bulletin billing the 1972 Olympic prep camp as 'the most ambitious training camp in the history of British Sport. He was interviewed on a similar subject by the BBC. - 3 books published - as Director of Coaching for the ASA he focussed on quantitative methods to develop athlete strength & stamina, which (unbelievably now) was not very systematically practiced in GB swimming.

Does this seem to meet the notability criteria? Jonverrier (talk) 17:24, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jonverrier. Please read the Notability guideline for people paying special attention to the requirement for independent coverage. Interviews are not independent and neither are books that he wrote. So, based on the information you have provided so far, it would nor be possible to write an acceptable article about your father. Cullen328 (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I am looking at the guidelines now. I would have thought ITV & BBC, as national UK channels, would qualify as secondary sources on the topic of impact to UK swimming. There are probably others on the ASA website. I will evaluate against the people notability criteria before sinking too much work in.

Either way I note your view & your substantial experience on Wikipedia. Jonverrier (talk) 17:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jonverrier, they are secondary sources. But interviews are not independent. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 17:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jonverrier. Thank you for asking, and for being upfront abou your connection. The way I often expain about independence is to observe that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

The other thing I will note is that, even without the confict of interest, writing an article is hard, and people who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works often have a very frustrating time. I see you've been here a couple of years, but you've only made a handful of edits so far. I'd encourage you to put your father aside for a while and do some more improvements to articles, learning what the requirements are. ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

User:Cullen328 is quite correct in their assessment of where your draft is at this time, based on presented sources. I have referred to WP:MEMORIAL in a thread above, as well as conflict of interest. These links may help you understand any wikipedian apprehension about a son writing about his somewhat-notable father. That said, the qualifications you list do not by themselves meet Wikipedia's threshold for notability; WP:NOTABILITY is based largely on sources, not qualifications per se. I'm doing a preliminary gsearch for "John William Verrier" and "John Verrier" +coach. I'm seeing a small number of sources which cumulatively might be argued to meet WP:ANYBIO. Three books written may weigh somewhat towards notability; if we could find a few reviews of such books, these would strengthen the argument for inclusion. If I were you, I would continue to accumulate sources as you can find them and apply links and found sources to the draft as you locate them. That his coaching was done largely in a pre-internet era would mean we're looking for offline sources like journals and newspapers. This source is not immediately useful, but implies information which might be found at more reliable locations. Here is another source which we couldn't normally use, but the head coach's initial brag that we was coached by Verrier seems to imply folks already know how important a figure coach may be to others. So you're looking for sources, and you may well know people (like students of your father) who might help you find such sources. If I were coaching a national Olympic team, I might have had profiles written about me and have been written about by other swimming authors. BusterD (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI, a newspapers.com search for "John Verrier" + coach gives 51 hits between 1950 and 1995, and based on cursory reading, these are all about the swimming coach (and mostly from around 1972), some directly detailing. So there's hope. I want to credit User:ColinFine with an excellent response; it would be wise if an inexperienced editor were to gain experience OUTSIDE their specific personal interest. Not everyone's dad warrants an encyclopedia article; based on a prelim exam, yours may well do so. BusterD (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you and @ColinFine for detailed & helpful responses. Jonverrier (talk) 09:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How much of this article to delete?

Hi. I'm a new editor (but have done my research).

I found a terrible article. It's about a small, private Indian college. The article reads like a giant advertisement. It's full of unsourced content. Most content I would describe as "not notable".

I'm inclined to prune the article down to basics, to suit a general audience. But I'm not sure there'd be too much left.

Am I being too harsh? I would appreciate feedback from experience editors! Thanks in advance. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

p.s., I've already deleted quite a bit. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 04:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I totally agree with you. The entire article looks like it is written to advertise the college and its facility. For me, its almost like a college brochure and that too without enough citations for most of the information. I will be happy to help if other users agree that it should be trimmed to basic and appropriate information. ANLgrad (talk) 04:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, @ANLgrad. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 05:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

This should be deleted wholesale. We do not assume secondary education institutes are de facto notable, and so it's possible this article was created before the debates that killed that notion. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, most of the article is gone. I believe I was fair.

I expect someone will notice soon enough! -- Doktor Züm (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Doktor Züm You may hear from Wikishooter, who created the article in 2009 and has been editing it as recently as Jan 2022. You were wise to start a dicussion on the Talk page about rationale for your cuts. David notMD (talk) 11:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

External links on OECD Better Life Index page

I realized that there are multiple places in the page where it is linking to their website. I felt these need to be removed as per WP:EL. Also, reference number 8 links to their website. Before making these corrections, I wanted to get some opinions from other users. Also, citations 5, 6 and 7 are to their website and the page seems to rely heavily on citations that are their own website. In my opinion, there should be a notice on top stating that it relies heavily on primary sources and additional citations are required. Should I go ahead and add the notice on top so other users can help the page with appropriate citations? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad Thanks for wanting to improve that article. You are certainly correct that the EL in the body text should be removed or, if valid sources, converted into citations. The article appears to have an adequate number of secondary sources, although more would be welcome. Primary sources from the OECD, which is a well-known and legitimate organisation are not problematic as such but if you can improve the article, please do so. Adding tags for others to work on is of less use in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull thank you for answering my question and doubt. I will try my best to find more sources and improve the article. If I have any further doubts, I shall post it here. Thank you.

ANLgrad (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I had a question. I am researching and finding more sources for the OECD article. I added a BBC which is WP:RS. I found another one - https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/the-gdp-paradoxii-1503092058.html

This is not a detailed article about OECD. However, it does mention about it and could be a good secondary source. Would you recommend this could be added? Thank you.@ ANLgrad (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad The source would be good for the quote "...which are far superior measures of the quality of life and well-being", I think, but I'm no expert on the topic. For that reason, you could be WP:BOLD and add something but should take further discussion to the Talk page of the article, where those interested in the subject would be more likely to see it than here at the Teahouse. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I was thinking on the same lines as what you said. Thank you. I will add it as a reference and also mention on the talk page. ANLgrad (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This is bad...

I recently forgot my Wikipedia password... I barely remember it...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.231.128 (talk) 04:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you did not have an email address in your account preferences, and you cannot remember the password, unfortunately you cannot regain access to your old account. You will need to create a new account; once you do, you should identify it as a successor to your old account("Hello, I am User12345, I was previously User6789"). 331dot (talk) 07:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How to add a picture in living person biographies page

Hi, I want to add a picture. I have the picture as I am the first source but not sure if I can directly upload a picture by giving credit to my wiki ID? Thanks

Pr1311 (talk) 05:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311, both "I have the picture" and "I am the first source" have various possible meanings. If this is a photograph, were you the photographer? If it is and you were, then go to Wikimedia Commons and upload it there, truthfully saying that it's your own work. Pr1311 will then be credited. (You won't be asked for your real name.) If this is a scan of a photograph, or if the photographer was somebody else, please explain here. Once an image is at Commons you may use it within a Wikipedia article in any language, of course including English. -- Hoary (talk) 07:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks.

Its a picture I have clicked. Pr1311 (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that in Indian English (apologies if that's not the proper term), the phrase "I clicked the picture" means "I clicked the shutter on the camera", and not "I clicked on the image on the internet and copied it". A bit confusing. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pr1311 If you mean that you took the picture yourself with your own camera, you can upload it here: [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

thank you. Pr1311 (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

While I uploaded the picture on the Wikimedia Commons, I am not able to place it under the info template next to the lead of the article. Can I get help on how to place it correctly. It needs to be placed on the right side, above the crisp bio details like nationality and all. Pr1311 (talk) 08:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 I've fixed it for you(you used the entire url which is not needed). So you took that yourself? It is very professional in appearance. I also notice that your username contains "pr" which often means "public relations". Do you work for Mr. Sharma? 331dot (talk) 08:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I work at National Health Authority. As far as this is concerned, it is not part of my work. I am just doing it personally to contribute on Wikipedia. I have started to enjoy this platform so started with Dr Sharma. Thanks for the help. Pr1311 (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 Thank you for your answer; this does make you a paid editor under our rules; please read the paid editing policy for information on how to disclose- which is a Terms of Use requirement. I'll also post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Pr1311 Furthermore, if you work for the Indian government or its agencies, that complicates the issue of copyright, as it could be owned by the government and not you. That depends on what the law is in India regarding copyright of images produced by government employees, which I am not aware of. In the United States, images produced by our federal government are public domain, but that is not the case everywhere. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hon. Victor Ofobrukueta

He's a Nigerian politician and a Pharmacist Ethiopemedia (talk) 07:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ethiopemedia: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia? Do you have any specific questions with regards to editing an article? ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 07:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Or are you suggesting an article be created about Ofobrukueta? You are welcome to try, using guidance at WP:YFA, but new editors are strongly advise to gain experience editing existing articles before attempting a new article. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to create or co-create articles. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you do not want to create an article yourself, you could add it to the appropriate place in Wikipedia:Requested articles. Kpddg ^(talk) 12:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

...but I would add that requested articles is more like a place for editors who want to create articles to find things to do, not like a place where editors try to write everything on there. Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft Review

Hello, Wikipedia!

I'm new here and I would really appreciate if you could tell me how to submit a draft for review? This is the draft I am asking about Draft:Marina Valmont

Thank you! :) Viorelia.c (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Viorelia.c Hello and welcome. I have added the appropriate information to your draft to allow you to submit it; this information is provided if you create a draft via Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Heey,

Thank you for the warm welcoming and for the help. Have an amazing day!

Cheers,

Viorelia Viorelia.c (talk) 09:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Viorelia.c You need to read and pay attention to the mandatory requirements for biographies of living people. In particular, any material likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. You have large portions of the text and all of the "early life" and "personal life" sections without any such sourcing. The draft has nil chance of being accepted without sources for verification of the facts stated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Thanks! Viorelia.c (talk) 10:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Many of the references need to be removed. Saying Valmont did ________ and then having a ref to that person or podcast that makes no mention of Valmont is not a valid ref. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on Festuca ampla

Anyone please send feedback on this article and will surely change on what needs changing. Anyone? Also check my userpage about me if useful. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 10:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I've made some edits to the page, you can combine references using the "name=" parameter. Polyamorph (talk) 11:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, i have no idea how to use Wikipedia, please help.....

Hi Everyone,

Could anyone help me out with an article i just drafted?

I wanted to make a page about a robotics company, but it was flagged as being an infringement of copyright. I thought it would be OK if i stated the relevant citations, but i pretty clearly don't know what i am doing.

I must admit i felt very proud when i finished the draft, and now it's flagged for speedy deletion i feel like an idiot.

Anyway, if you have any advice, tips, or suggestions for me don't hesitate to let me know.

Kind regards,

Spidersinthecupboard

Spidersinthecupboard (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @Spidersinthecupboard and welcome to the teahouse! you have to write everything in your own words, you absolutely cannot just copy stuff from another website even if you change it up a bit (unless you are copying direct quotations from a speech, as long as it isn't excessive). copying from another website is a copyright violation and is strictly not allowed. unfortunately that does mean basically starting over if needed. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melecie, thanks for the advice. I am going to rewrite it today in my own words. Luckily or unluckily depending on your view point, i am still in lockdown so i have plenty of time on my hands. Fingers crossed i will get it write this time! Spidersinthecupboard (talk) 01:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Apart from what melecie said (WP:COPYPASTE), WP:NORG and WP:YFA may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Spidersinthecupboard, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. As I said to another editor a little way up the page, trying to create a new article as almost the first thing you do is like going to your first violin lesson and then giving a recital. Creating articles is much harder than it looks (and most of the work isn't in what you see - the text - but in the research), and editors who try it before they've got a feel for how Wikipedia works typically have a very frustrating time. I suggest you put Flexiv on one side for a while and come back to it when you've got a few hundred vluable edits under your belt (which are likely to be of more aggregate value to Wikipedia than an article about another company that hasn't so far come enough to anybody's notice that anybody's written an article on it. ColinFine (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine, thanks for dropping the links. I checked them out and i think it has pointed me in the right direction. You are right with the violin analogy, but that's how i like to do things! Jump right in and hope for the best! I think its the fastest way to learn, well its definitely the most challenging anyway! I will continue to make edits, but i am going to give Flexiv one more shot. I think robotics and automation systems are going to become ubiquitous in a couple of years, and people will want info on them. Anyway, worst case i mess it up again! Thanks for the info and advice. Spidersinthecupboard (talk) 01:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Los Angeles Intl Airport reference fix (minor)

Hello. Go to Los Angeles International Airport page. Go to second paragraph where references 4 and 7 are apart. Can you fix so reference citations are together? Cant fix this one. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531  Done, there was a space between the <ref /> tags. – Berrely • ^T∕_C 12:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I NEED HELP FROM APPROVED EDITORS ON WIKIPEDIA

I am a native of ESA ODO town in OBOKUN local government of OSUN State in NIGERIA, WEST AFRICA in the continent of AFRICA . I want someone to help me write a Wikipedia (article) on my town. So that anyone that visit Wikipedia will see the name of my town. Other neighbouring towns are on Wikipedia but I did not see that of ESA ODO my town. Please help me and my people. Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ESA - ODO

Esa-Odo is a Yoruba town located at the Obokun Local Government Area of the Ijesa North Federal Constituency of Ife/Ijesa Senatorial District of Osun State, South-West of Nigeria. It is a native Ijesa (Ijesha) community and shares boundaries with other towns ; Imesi - Ile, Ilare - Ijesa , Iwoye - Ijesa and Esa - Oke. It's a land very rich in agriculture thus we have Esa - Odo agricultural farm settlement. Here in Esa - Odo we also have the River Osun. Esa - Odo has many industrious sons and daughters in nearly every nations of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, . Ajakayeezekieladekanye, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. There are no "approved editors" - we are all editors, you and me, and tens of thousands of others. You are welcome to create an article on your town (towns are usually assumed to meet Wikiepdia's criteria for notability), but you will still need to find reliable published sources for the information: you cannot just write what you know.

Having said that, creating an article is probably the hardest task there is for an indexperienced editor, so I wouldn't advise trying to do so yet, until you have a few months' experience editing Wikipedia.

I suggest you head to WikiProject Nigeria, where you can link up with other people interested in working on articles on Nigeria. Perhaps you can work with somebody there to get experience of editing, and then create an article on Esa Odo. Before you try to create an article (whether now or later) I advise you to start by reading your first article.

One final point: please don't use lots of CAPITAL LETTERS: a lot of people regard that as SHOUTING. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ajakayeezekieladekanye:, although your town does not have an article yet, nearby Esa-Oke, another Yoruba town (which you mentioned above) and which is also in Obokun Local Government Area *does* have its own article. Have a look at that one (click here), to get some ideas of how to proceed. If you have more questions, please ask again. Mathglot (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Easy editing assignments?

Hi, I am a newbie editor and I was trying to help out by doing a few of the "easy assignments" that came across my feed. (I know one subject really well: Electronic literature--the rest, I can help out where I can...). I got Mawuena Trebarh and what appears to be an older version of Digital Commons. Maybe I am just unlucky--but in both of these cases, the problems ran far deeper than a 5 minute clean up for grammar. Is the suggest an edit feature an automated one? or a volunteer-human one? Maybe it would be better to just have a button that volunteer humans can check to note actual articles that could use 5 - 20 minutes from an editor who knows absolutely nothing about the subject? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 12:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi LoveElectronicLiterature and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, the "Suggested Edits" function of the newcomer homepage is generally automated, though it pulls from a category of articles tagged with issues by human editors and finds articles likely to be easy for newcomers. There's not much that can be done in these cases, so it's best to just skip the article. If you're interested in more long-term tasks, the WP:Dashboard and WP:Task Centre are good places to start. – Berrely • ^T∕_C 12:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia. If you want to help it, I imagine that you find it useful (at least some of the time). And if you use it, surely from time to time (or very often) you find strange gaps, unreferenced claims, unparsable sentences, sloppy wording, mistranslations, etc, within the articles that you anyway want to read. I suggest you work on them. If fixing one such article threatens to occupy several days, nobody's obliging you to commit to that: you can instead just spend twenty minutes on it, and some time later perhaps spend twenty minutes more, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Berrely and Hoary.

I just looked at 10 suggestions, and every single one was flagged but the grammar was basically sound. This easy editing feature is not working--and could be scaring off us newbiews. I wonder if it might be possible to have a human check box for "needs easy editing" and put the human checked ones at the top of the queue? Or at the very least add a warning right under "Suggested edits" in the feed: "Note that these suggestions are automated. We appreciate your editing, but if an article has more complicated issues, please leave a note about those issues on the article's talk page."

I'll stick to what I know. Listing all of the notable electronic literature folks is going to take up enough of my lifetime. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature I felt similarly when I started. Most of what the homepage was suggesting to me was either perfectly tolerable (sometimes) or a disaster (more often), so it was a bit dispiriting. Joining a wikiproject can be a good way to dip your toe in. Some of these projects have cleanup pages that can help you find simple tasks. Here is the cleanup listing for WP:BOOKS, for example: [2]. This is almost everything that is tagged as a Books article needing attention, so it's very long and may look quite daunting, but several of the categories are the kinds of things that you can fix quickly (or at least quickly determine that they can't be fixed quickly). These tags are what generates the list of assignments you're coming across on the newcomer homepage. If you don't find going through cleanup tags fun (frankly, most people don't), improving articles on electronic literature and ignoring the homepage is the way to go. Glad to see someone working in that topic area, by the way! Literature articles in general need a lot of help. -- asilvering (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @LoveElectronicLiterature! I'm going to keep this brief to avoid flooding you with information. To be honest with you, the feed/homepage is a very new feature. We've gotten by 20 years without it and I'm not sure why they added it. But I'm very glad that you're finding it useful! If you have a subject you're interested in, you can see if there are any gaps in our coverage that you could help fill: for example, the article Electronic literature is currently rated C-Class, and definitely requires improvement (especially the History section). If you want to help out there, it would be greatly appreciated: it is a vital article, which means it is considered one of the most important articles on the encyclopedia and any improvements would be greatly welcomed. casualdejekyll 02:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm honestly not finding the home page at all useful!! I am really going to help out on the electronic literature and we are thinking about starting a project page. We are having meetings now. I just need to become an expert in wikipedia editing so I can help our busy volunteers (Assuming we get any). I'll also be reaching out to whoever edited any of the pages on elit. But my feedback to wikipedia so far is that their automatic editing suggestions are scaring people off! Please either fix the problem and actually just share articles that are easy (.ike the book project mentioned) that are curated by humans or put a warning as I suggested: Note that these suggestions are automated. We appreciate your editing, but if an article has more complicated issues, please leave a note about those issues on the article's talk page."

So far I have added the folks who write elit to the list of elit writers, with a justification for each addition in the talk page. And I've fixed a few errors as I come across them. My next task is to look at all previous drafts, see who is actually notable in the field. I am also compiling a draft doc outside of wikipedia so that as I comb through third party references (Like Electronic Book Review, Kate Hayles classics, etc. etc. ) I can put those good references in the correct pages.

I really appreciate your help and guidance in this task! Thank you! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, also, I have been in the field since the 1990s when I interviewed everyone in the field--all 8 of them. Where should I say who I am as the instructions say not to put that info on your user page? I do want to declare any conflicts of interest, but mostly I am an expert in the field?--Just not in wikipedia--I had a full time job and no spoons before July 30 of this year. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature: You are allowed to say who you are on your user page. For instance, see Cullen328’s userpage (taking him as an example because he’s a Teahouse host and I knew he gave lots of personal details). There is a prohibition against "Inappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia", but it is not as strong as it sounds - saying what your interests are is clearly OK especially if you’re going to edit in that area.

You might want to read WP:IRL before deciding to put personal info on your userpage (it describes the risks of doing so). Be extra careful before putting other people’s personal info - "I am married to X" is personal info of X.

Regarding conflicts of interests: if you intend to do significant edits on pages related to (former or present) employers, spouses, relatives etc. you are encouraged to disclose that. See WP:DISCLOSE for how to do that. Note that it’s not a formal COI disclosure as you would need for certain employers etc. - you don’t even need to declare the exact relationship if you don’t want to. Something along the lines of "I worked at company X, then company Y" would usually be sufficient. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 20:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME CREATE AN ARTICLE ON MY SCHOOL

I am a proprietor of a nursery and primary school. I want an approved editor on Wikipedia to help me submit an article on my school

https://www.flourishandshine.fflonlinesales.com/ Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ajakayeezekieladekanye: Hello Ajakay and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, unless your school falls under Wikipedia's notability criteria, there won't be an article on it. Also note that Wikipedia is not a platform to give publicity to something or to promote something (see WP:NOT for a list of all the things Wikipedia is not). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ajakayeezekieladekanye, welcome to the Teahouse!

There is no such thing as an "approved editor" - anyone can edit, and you don't even need an account to do so! To combat spam, however, new editors are required to submit articles through WP:YFA. Do note, however, that most primary schools are not notable, which is wiki-speak meaning "has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That's a mouthful, but what it means is that we don't write an article on just everything. We write articles on things that have coverage, either in news or in books.

I hope this helps, and I hope you stick around to write more articles in the future! casualdejekyll 02:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You should not write about your school, yourself, your business, your family members or anything closely associated to you, because that's a conflict of interest. WP:COI A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Neutral article about a criminal

How do I write an article about a criminal that doesn't violate WP:NPOV? 2A01:36D:1200:4512:3C37:56CB:3185:467 (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You summarize and cite the WP:BLP-good WP:RS you have about that person in a WP:DUE manner. If you have no (or not enough) such sources, write about something else, or somewhere else. See also WP:CRIME. Living criminals are a difficult WP-topic, especially if you have no previous experience in WP-editing, so it is recommended to get some of that first. Knowing how to cite sources properly is essential. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Could you elaborate? Who? Is it just allegations, or has the person been proved to have committed crimes? Are there reliable sources?

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Looking at some decent WP-articles about criminals can be helpful for inspiration. Try Category:Criminals by crime. But again, look at good ones. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, my IP changed. The person I want to write about was arrested on cases of child sexual abuse, and was also the member of a pedophile ring. --2A01:36D:1200:4512:C46B:F682:67F8:1177 (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

And what sources do you intend to use? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Arrested, but not convicted? Is "member of a pedophile ring" proven? I don't like pedophiles, but this person might not actually be a "criminal" (until convicted of a crime). 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, see Cullen328's reply below on a similar thread. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Horace Randy Holt

Hi my name is horace Randy Holt currently residing in lloydminster Saskatchewan canada. 

I know I've sent things in the past and I don't know what to respond on as every one of my devices and accounts are being messed with seemingly as the people around me are going from being friendly to arrogant pricks. I've had issues and I've asked for help but seemingly people just want to toy people or try to entrap people further. I'm currently having issues with my cell phone my Roku my laptops every device in my possessions also all my cell phones I've had before and give out are still having access to my account so people invading my privacy and using it to benefit anybody but myself. Seemingly otherwise there's a lot of people around here getting hurt and the cops aren't reporting it and continually trying to set me up on things. To do with attempted murder back in 2019. I'm looking for help to try secure what's left of my life and to try a closer to my children seemingly as they are dangling kids in front of people as Leverage or to make people listen to what shouldn't be listened to. And I have been giving advice out here as to what should be given as a good human being and people contorting it to either cause harm or act like they're causing harm either way it's wrong because I can't get hurt what needs to be heard in court and I don't know if that's the issue where people are taking advantage of people's genuine kindness. I have to keep reminding myself they ain't helping me by not coming to talk to me so I understand this kind of sounds weird as sending out as an email but I am looking for help still in legal manners of a lawsuit on an attempted murder that's getting covered up. I know there's a lot here but I am looking for any kind of help possible that's basically I'm living one day at a time it's not even living.

I'll say it... lloydminster needs help or is it normal for people to lie about people dieing daily and people setting one another up and crap behaviour being the norm? ..... I'm just a father doing what I can with basically nothing now. Not to forget what has been happening.... just throwing that out there and hi from lloydminster Randy dove (talk) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if this is way different then what's use to here. I'm alone and getting screwed with literally and worse Randy dove (talk) 13:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Randy dove: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The Teahouse is friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Randy dove - welcome to the Teahouse!

The Teahouse is for asking questions about using Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia. We are not equipped to help you with general life problems and I recommend you find a friend to talk to about it. Additionally, I have removed your fundraising link: although I am sure that your cause is admirable, we do not allow fundraising links on Wikipedia: the relevant policy is at WP:SOAP.

I hope this helps! Happy editing casualdejekyll 02:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll, @GoingBatty I think that's also a Gofundme link on his user page. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Climate data info graphs

Are the very detailed and informative climate data info graphs being fazed out or replaced? I've seen new "climate data" entries with only small vertical temperature range bars and ZERO other climate data? Is this a intentional systemwide change, or a anomaly?

Changing from detailed informative graphs to difficult to read posts with virtually zero information is EXTREMELY "unhelpful" to say the least.
Is this intentional? 71.193.175.250 (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! in which article/s are the new climate info graphs you're talking about located in? the graphs in The weather in London have both bars {{climate chart}} and tables {{weather box}}, if you're referring to either of them. 💜  melecie  talk - 14:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Archiving links automatically

Hi. How do I archive links in an article automatically? What's the correct bot for that? Castlepalace 15:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Castlepalace: Hello Castlepalace! The bot you are referring to is Internet Archive Bot. I'm not completely sure hwo it works as I know it will archive pages automatically, however there is a tool that will allow you to archive a page manually with the bot. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Does a double murderer meet wikipedias notability requirements

i was wondering if a double murder met Wikipedia's notability standards, Brittany Vontress is the individual in dire need of an article

I checked if there wasn't already an article and there wasn't but my checking skills are lacking Caucasianhamburger (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

No murder, double or otherwise is inherently notable. And I see no evidence that Brittany Vontress or the murder is notable. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Caucasianhamburger, and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability as Wikipedia uses the word isn't about what a subject is or has done, but almost entirely about the quantity and quality of what has been written about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) Hello Caucasianhamburger. Any subject will have to meet the notability guidelines, have significant coverage, be backed with reliable sources, and comply with the biographies of living persons policy. In this case, it should also meet WP:CRIME and WP:NCRIME. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Caucasianhamburger. I found a newspaper article that says she pleaded guilty to "aiding kidnapping with a deadly weapon", and did not know the victim would be killed, so calling her a double murderer is incorrect. Our notability guideline for people says that a perpetrator of a crime should have an article only if The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role. That does not seem to be the case here. Cullen328 (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Earn money from Wikipedia

Hi.How can I earn money by contributing to Wikipedia? EVRRVE. (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@EVRRVE.: Welcome to the Teahouse. In short, you don't. The project is volunteer-driven, and no one receives monetary compensation for their work on here. There are some contests that run every once in a while that might offer gift cards to winners, but that's about it, as far as I'm aware. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

How to do footnotes rather than inline citations

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jess Wells

Hi there. My article keeps getting rejected because they say I don't need inline citations, but footnotes. I don't see a footnote choice anywhere! How can I change them from References to Footnotes??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jess_Wells#References Desa062956boomer (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the footnotes as you are doing them (although I haven't checked them as being reliable sources or including the material) but there are multiple sections without any references at all. I have added "unsourced section" templates and a CN tag to these to highlight what you should be concentrating on. - Arjayay (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. Desa062956boomer (talk) 18:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Desa062956boomer But assertions in an article are supposed to have inline citations. I think the issue is that your citations just aren't good enough. I must say, the message you got in the draft is confusing. Can a knowledgeable Teahouse host give some better advice? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Desa062956boomer:, "inline citations" *are* footnotes, so I agree you got some confusing advice, there. Well, there is a slight distinction between the two terms: the "inline citation" is the stuff you place in between <ref> ....</ref> tags right in the running text you are creating, and then the software automatically creates a a little, bracketed, superscript thingie in the text where you placed the citation, that points to the reference in the References section near the bottom of the article. So, if I write, This is a sample footnote and place it in this sentence, between "ref" tags, then you get the little superscript number you see here, and if you click it (or just scroll down), then you will see that it is linked to the footnote further down. Now does it make sense? See Help:Footnotes for a better explanation of this. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 08:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Online tv channels

Hello! Add info, please in this article (table): 2022 European Championships Станислав Савченко (talk) 19:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you have a suggestion to improve an article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It's clear, thank you!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 04:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Request to add more photos on articles without photos

Dear coordinator,

I am contributing to #WPWP but I was stopped whenever I reached 25. I was sent a post that I cannot do more than 25 in a day. I wrote through Talk, requesting for the sanction to be removed and allow me for at least 50 photos. I was told it has been approved but it is not, indeed. I was stopped again last night at 25 photos.

Please, that approval for 50 photos has not been validated. The order was given or rather spoken without action. Wikimedia is supposed to be a friendly space but it turns out to be frustrating and demoralizing space. This is not good for movement strategy and inclusive editing. I request that this sanction is removed for me. Please allow me to add at least 50 photos to articles without photos. Without the sanction I can add up to 100 a day. Please free my username. Thank you. Ngostary2k (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I've never heard of this limit, but I'm sure that it is in Commons, rather than here, so you should ask at c:Com:Help desk. My guess is that it is a limitation in the software, not a settable value in the user interface (but I may be wrong). If I'm right, even Commons admins won't be able to change it for you. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ngostary2k, welcome to the Teahouse. Looks like you've hit the edit filter which serves to throttle contributions tagged with #WPWP. This is due to disruption the contest has caused on English Wikipedia in the past. I don't see any discussion in which you were given approval for the throttle to be lifted for your specific edits (I'm not even sure such a thing is possible) - this discussion on your talk page is about the Upload Wizard on Commons, not about the edit filter. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, @Ngostary2k, I see you were asking for an example of what not to put in an infobox, image-link-wise. Look at this diff to see what you entered and what Kj cheetham corrected your entry to read. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

A bigger problem is that @Ngostary2k entered a photo of an American lawyer in an article about an English footballer. That's plain disruptive. —Wasell^(T) 🌻 06:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Citing with Kindle

When referencing a book accessed on Kindle, is there anything special that should be done with the cite? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Nope - you cite it like you would a printed book. How the book is accessed ultimately matters little; we'd still need the title, author, publisher, year of publication, page(s) being cited, and ISBN/OCLC#. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hockessin, Delaware map

Your map of Hockessin, Delaware which is the 19707 zipcode, includes parts of the 19807 zipcode, which is Wilmington, Delaware 2601:45:500:2435:39A8:8BE:C99F:7F6B (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @2601:45:500:2435:39A8:8BE:C99F:7F6B, welcome to the Teahouse!

Contrary to popular belief, ZIP Codes do not correspond to any defined geographical area. For example, Walmart's headquarters have the zip code 72716. If you were to do a survey of what addresses have what zip code, and map the results, you'd find a lot of fuzzy boundaries and other oddities. Additionally, a quick google suggests that the 19807 zipcode does indeed serve parts of Hockessin.

Thank you for your question! casualdejekyll 02:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

The area known as Houston, TX has dozens of Zip codes, and some of them may also cover suburbs. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, in general zip codes have no relation to city boundaries. In this case, I will note that the map in our article agrees quite closely with the boundary shown in Google Maps. However, it does not agree with the boundaries shown on what appears to be the official web site of the village[3]. So there does seems to be something amiss here. CodeTalker (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Raymond Wadsworth Walters

Hello: I have been researching the life of Raymond Wadsworth Walters (1885-1970), the longest serving President of the University of Cincinnati for several years. There is a very brief Wikipedia entry on him with the barest of factual details. Raymond Walters I have published several articles about aspects of Walters' life, read the entire contents of his diaries (1925-1960), and other related research. I hope to turn all this hard work into a biography of the man at some point, but I thought, given my wealth of knowledge of a public figure that lived a mostly unnoticed life, it might be fun to write my first Wikipedia entry.

I want to know how to embed headers in my essay and footnotes for my sources.

Do I want to add on to the existing article or create a new one?

Full disclosure, I am my brain freezes up when confronted with lots of instructions. The easier and more user friendly you are able to keep the instructions, the better for me.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am excited to get started on this new project.

Cordially,

Bob Miller, PhD

Department of History

University of Cincinnati Historyprof1959 (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Historyprof1959, welcome to the Teahouse. The most easy and user-friendly way to get familiar with how Wikipedia works is (arguably) the Wikipedia Adventure. I say "arguably" because it's not entirely bug-free and doesn't support the visual editor. There's also this series of tutorials which tries to keep things simple and easy to navigate.

Once you've run through one or more of those, I'd recommend simply editing the existing article; a complete overhaul is a complex and difficult task. Start small. If you have ready access to good sources (in our sense of "good", i.e. reliable, independent, published sources), add a few sentences of properly cited, paraphrased information from them to the article. Note that citing your own work should be done with caution. Once you've got the hang of things, you can expand more boldly. And always feel free to ask questions here! 97.113.27.216 (talk) 21:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Historyprof1959, in its current state, the article Raymond Walters is dismal. It doesn't even succeed in its very modest ambition, having him "comply" stuff he presumably had compiled. Yes, you could make unambitious alterations and augmentations, till you've got the hang of this and can confidently make sweeping changes. Even better: Put Walters aside for a while and, of course using reliable sources, try improving the extraordinarily feeble article ("stub", as it's called hereabouts) on one of his successors, Henry R. Winkler. Meanwhile, some essential reading for you: Wikipedia:Expert editors. -- Hoary (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Historyprof1959:, you have been given good advice above (in particular you should definitely read Wikipedia:Expert editors). Just a few more points.

Wikipedia is exactly the kind of place where you get lots of instructions, often conflicting ones. The good news, however, is that most of those are second nature to academics - cite your sources, write in a "dry"/emotionless tone, etc. Here are a few more instructions

• I want to know how to embed headers in my essay and footnotes for my sources. For headers, see Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections. For footnotes/sources, see Help:Referencing_for_beginners#RefToolbar (I linked to a specific section, but do read the rest of that page if you have time).
• Try to make the article understandable by a general audience.
  • Avoid jargon and complex sentences as far as possible. (Sometimes, it is unavoidable - nobody can hope to learn about the Pauli exclusion principle or the adiabatic flame temperature without some background knowledge about physics; but those articles should require an undergraduate degree rather than a PhD.)
  • Do not assume obvious context - for instance, the reader may not know Cincinnati is in Ohio, or even in the US. (Do you know where the city Ibadan is? It probably has more English speakers than Cincinnati.)
• Do not make original research. Ideally, cite everything you say to a secondary source; usually, a book or scholarly article. Do not cite primary sources (such as the diaries), and especially do not make your own interpretations of primary sources. Cite secondary articles that have already done that interpretation. (Citing your own journal articles is OK is done with moderation; make sure to fairly represent the various viewpoints if there is a controversy in the literature.)

Make sure to come back here, on the Teahouse, if you have questions, even seemingly stupid ones. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 20:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Richard III of England

Hi, my name is Matthew Leinheiser and I would just like to make it known that someone has vandalized the article on Richard III of England. They falsely claimed he was the first ever transgender king and added a photo that had altered him to look like a modern day school girl. 47.195.2.191 (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It looks like another editor has been steadily reverting them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:20, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

And the IP address vandalizing the article has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding images

Hi, I am making a Google "clone" on my userpage using basic mediawiki stuff, am I able to upload images either to commons or on Wikipedia itself for use on my page? There are some images that aren't on Wikipedia that I need on my userpage. Let me know what I should do, thanks. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@HolyNetworkAdapter: Find somewhere else to do this. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I can just not use those other images, sacrificing looks but its OK. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@HolyNetworkAdapter Wikipedia's servers should not be used to host material that won't be used on Wikipedia: Notwebhost 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This is just a basic clone of Google with mediawiki formatting. I don't need anymore help but thanks. --HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Nedeljko Čabrinović

Hey there!

I need some suggestions regarding this draft. My main focus is on the assassination, however you can give me any suggestions or problems in the article. Have a good day-er, night. :) Sarrail (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sarrail, I don't discern any significance other than being one of seven people who conspired toward Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. How would an article on him be helpful? -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't he the one throwing the bomb at the Archduke? The other six have notable features that were promoted to an article, why not Čabrinović? On top of this, there may be reliable sources of Čabrinović. I don't know if I should abandon the articleship, or keep continuing. @Hoary:, I am open to your answer. Sarrail (talk) 23:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked at any of these six articles, Sarrail. I also know nothing about Čabrinović and am quite willing to believe that there's plenty more to say about him. Forget the other six articles/people, and ask yourself if there is more of consequence to say about Čabrinović. If there is, then continue. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sarrail An article already existed for Nedeljko Čabrinović, and has been redirected, initially with this edit: [4]. You may want to discuss this on the talk page of Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. If you do so, you might want to tag in czar, who redirected the article. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

If they're only known for the assassination and reliable sources largely do not cover other aspects of their lives, then we usually redirect and cover within the parent article as a biography of a living person known only for one event. Some of those other biographies might be worth redirecting too, by that note. czar 02:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Here's the history of the article before it was turned into a redirect. Of course, it's imaginable that you have found or are about to find sources that are better than those used for the earlier article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I am pretty sure Gavrilo Princip is the more notable of the seven. That article falls clearly under BLP1E, but Gavrilo_Princip#Legacy has stuff that would make it very uneasy to make/redirect. (As an irrelevant aside, that’s the only one whose name I was taught in history class.) I am not seeing anything of that sort in the Čabrinović draft at the moment: if you remove stuff about the assassination and the subsequent trial, all that’s left is that he had tuberculosis and his remains are at the Chapel of Vidovdan Heroes. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 21:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Maintenance templates

Is it possible to see a list of articles that currently have a specific maintenance template within a specific wikiproject. For instance, would it be possible to get a list of all pages with a citations needed template associated with WP:POD? TipsyElephant (talk) 00:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @TipsyElephant and welcome to the teahouse! for [citation needed] specifically, you can use Citation Hunt to get uncited statements per category (unfortunately not wikiproject, as far as i can tell).

other maintenance templates can be searched in a similar way by using two incategory: prefixes in search, like incategory:"All articles with unsourced statements" incategory:"Indie video games" to search for uncited statements in the Indie video games category (which unfortunately can't be done with wikiproject categories since they tag the talk page, while maintenance templates usually tag the article). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant You can for many wikiprojects, but not yet WP:POD. The list is here: [5]. I added WP:POD to the list just now - I think. (Edit here: [6]) I've never done that before so I'm not sure if I've done it correctly. The bot runs on Tuesdays, so check back in the next 24 hours or so (I forget exactly when it runs) to see if Podcasting is on the list. Good luck fighting your backlog! -- asilvering (talk) 02:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: PetScan can do it. Here is a filled out form: [7]. I specified {{WikiProject Podcasting}} first for efficiency because it has far fewer uses than {{Citation needed}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Metaverse

Are any of you alive out there or is everyone part of the Raphaimite hive mind now? 71.115.86.235 (talk) 00:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

we are all certainly alive here at the teahouse. do you have any Wikipedia-related questions? 💜  melecie  talk - 00:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm alive as well, but let's not be hasty in our judgement @Melecie! I know several living people in real life (in fact, most of my acquaintances are alive); but since I've not met any Teahouse Host irl yet, I can't be absolutely sure they are all alive. Unless being alive is some sort of requirement for editing on Wikipedia; but I think I would have heard about that. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I am aware of several wikipedia editors who are not alive. ClueBot NG comes to mind. casualdejekyll 00:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Untitled comment

@colinfine 2001:44C8:4204:946D:B52E:108A:4C14:BC8C (talk) 01:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP. You have an odd list of contributions. Do you have any Wikipedia-related question? -- Hoary (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

????? Please do not use Wikipedia for promotion (WP:PROMO), profanity in TimedText namespaces, and do not notify users without explaining why. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

German Methodist Episcopal Church

You don’t have an article on this semi-denomination. Founded as a missionary effort to reach the new German immigrants in 1836 within the structure of the ME church, in 1865 it became separate but still in the ME church with its own conferences, seminaries. By 1920 it had 10 conferences. By 1939, only one was left. It was a major religious body. It needs either a major section in the ME article or its own article. The main problem is that there is only one book on it, published in 1939 by the Methodist publishing arm. I am not the person to write it. Wis2fan (talk) 03:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

If not you, then who, Wis2fan? Go ahead and try. Do you really think that among the relatively small group of Teahouse hosts, you are likely to find a fluent German speaking host who is interested in German church history from about 100 to 200 years ago? Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wis2fan: you can request that an article be written; see WP:REQUEST, but suggestions tend to languish there for a very long time indeed. The main problem I see is lack of sourcing; one book is not much to go on. I personally believe that encyclopaedias should collate and summarise multiple sources, which is quite different to providing précis of individual works. I'd suggest starting a discussion about it on the talk page of the ME article, and see whether people there think it would better be accommodated as a section in that article? Elemimele (talk) 07:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Ach, mein lieber Cullen328, you zhust neffer know. Vee Veekipedia edditters ken be a ferry strenzhe group, mit eefen strenzher neetch interrests. Heppy edditing! Mathglot (talk) 08:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wis2fan:, the article German Methodist Episcopal Church was created in 2013, and is still there. You are welcome to improve it, if you find any missing information. Please read Wikipedia's policy on WP:Verifiability, and the use of citations to reliable sources. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources

hi again!! if i were to use wiki fandom, or fandom wiki- im not sure what its called, but its this site. would it be credible/reliable, or no? Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 03:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. The answer is absolutely not. That website is based on random user contributions and is pretty much the opposite of a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 04:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

oof. I see. well, i better get searching because "personal experience" isn't reliable either. thanks for the help @Cullen328 :-) Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 04:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI: wikis are not reliable. While wikis for stuff like Minecraft try to be factual as possible, something obscure like Jelly Jamm will be prone to MADEUP information by random contributors. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Mayor of Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines in 1998 - John L. Elizaga

Add to the the list of mayors of Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines, the name of Mayor JOHN L. ELIZAGA who succeeded Mayor Pablo Magtajas in 1998. Mayor John L. Elizaga served as mayor in March to April 1998 when Magtajas ran for reelection of the same office. 222.127.223.187 (talk) 04:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

He was a vice mayor, not a mayor.[8] Provide sources if you disagree. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 04:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I often edit twice and add citation templates

Long title is sort of long. (See my contributions for context, ignore me talking to old IPs I vividly remember using)

I'm not sure if it's okay that I'm a messy editor, sometimes I get hasty and make mistakes, and don't feel like citing things. As such, edit history on pages like Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia involve me revising a few times. Advice would be 100% appreciated. Thank you! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WannurSyafiqah74. You wrote sometimes I get hasty and make mistakes, and don't feel like citing things. Please log out and stop editing Wikipedia when you feel that way. Return to editing when you are feeling careful and cautious, and sincely want to avoid mistakes, and feel like citing things properly. This is a project to expand and improve this encyclopedia in a productive and collaborative fashion, and a proper attitude is required. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

While there is nothing wrong with making an edit, and then revising it, consider using your Sandbox as a draft space, and only when completely satisfied, move to the appropriate article. David notMD (talk) 07:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 @David notMD I see. I was late to replying, so it's good to suggest that I should take a break. And yes, I am aware of using the sandbox for drafts. As for finding citations, I really just don't have the time to look. Just a reminder. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Russia, the country of Terrorists.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Why is Russia not described as a nation of degenerates and terrorists at this point? Thanks! Helpgetridofmorons (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the WP-article Russia, some combination of WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:NPOV, probably. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Translation from Czech to English

Hi, I want to translate few articles from Czech to English, but it's still a draft and I can't publish it. For example this from Czech: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_Miner to English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marketing_Miner can somebody check my draft, if it's okay, or maybe review it? :) Peter Novácki (talk) 11:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

In the summary for your next edit, Peter Novácki, make it clear that this started as a translation from cs:Marketing Miner. Marketing Miner is a SaaS (Software as a service) tool that focuses on gathering marketing data about keywords, domains, and URLs. The tool (and the startup of the same name) was founded in 2015 by Filip Podstavec. By "focuses on gathering XYZ", do you mean "gathers XYZ"? How does anyone "found" a tool? (If it's software, did Podstavec write it? If it isn't, or isn't only, software, what is it?) These APIs: between what software and what software? Is it free software? Et cetera. -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I already edited the draft :) Can you check it please again and send your suggestions? Peter Novácki (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

How to delete uploaded image from Media wiki

Hello,

I want to delete some image which was uploaded by me, Endrabcwizart (talk) 12:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Endrabcwizart, assuming it's one of these [9], go to the specific image, then click "Nominate for deletion" in the column on the left, and follow instructions. Commons:Courtesy deletions may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång thank you, Endrabcwizart (talk) 14:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Where there ever a school #5 in Baltimore City in the 1960?

174.251.66.95 (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello. The Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. For fact-related questions, you may find help at the Reference Desk. Kpddg ^(talk) 14:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Tool "what links here"

I'd like to see the links excluding the ones to templates. I am writing currently on Swiss Federal Councillors and sincerely the ancient ones have mainly links to the templates and do not have wls into the articles themselves. If we could see to what articles they had a wikilink, we could read the source for the mention there, with which we could expand the original article we are working on.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle, see if this helps: Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2022_May_15#What_links_here. If not, try asking T the M. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Will check. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much dear Grabergs Graa Sang. The User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js tool was what I was looking for. Makes it also much more easy to wikilink new articles.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Referencing

Can I use any kind of offline document as reference to verify topics on post? Offline documents could be certificates or event pictures. Also which kink of news can validate post? If a single news has all the details of a post can that verify the whole post? If possible then should I add the same news reference to the end of every topic? ARMahee (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ARMahee, and welcome to the Teahouse. The format of documents does not matter: they can be online, paper books, PDFs, Videos, anything. What is crucial is that they have been reliably published. Furthermore, most sources must be independent secondary sources: certificates could be cited if a random reader could get hold of them, but they would in most cases be primary sources. As for pictures: copyright-free pictures are very welcome for an article, but it is rarely useful to cite them as a source. (I suppose if the picture has been published by a reputable publisher with a caption saying "The photo shows X at Y event on date Z" that might be OK).

Generally every paragraph should have a citation (except in the lead). If you are citing the same source multiple times, see NAMEDREFS. But if there is only one suitable source for the content of an article, then the subject is unlikely to meet the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@ARMahee, welcome. Sources can absolutely be WP:OFFLINE, but they must have been published, like a book. And WP:RS, of course. WP:PRIMARY may be of some help.

On "what kind of news", there is a list of sources which has been discussed on-WP several times at WP:RSP, that may give you a general idea.

Generally, you should add at least one cite/ref per a paragraph, if that cite supports the entire paragraph, it is sufficient. WP:INTREF3 has info on how to name a ref so it's easy to use it severel times in the same article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Restoration of Page Bhavsar

Hi All,

There used to be a wiki page for a community called Bhavsar/Bhavasar , its a caste in Hinduism which even tho has less population. I belong to this community , And it is causing people to believe people of this community don't exists. K.amit89 (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles on Bhavsar have been deleted twice, the most recent time in 2018, by Explicit, with the edit comment I'm not seeing any significant and/or non-trivial coverage in any reliable source (books, scholarly dissertations et al), to justify a standalone article (Ref 1 fails on this ground).It may be further noted that a source from the State Series of The People of India covers the topic but has been determined to have heavily). The comment breaks off in the middle of a sentence, but WP:RSCASTE#The People of India discusses why many editors think that this is not a reliable source.

You may find it helpful to ask about this at WT:WikiProject India. ColinFine (talk) 15:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @K.amit89, the article Bhavsar was deleted in 2018 due to lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Any article on Wikipedia should meet the notability guidelines. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Since this community is small and historically has moved from its place of origin, There are not many sources aside from government document confirming existence of such community. Hence causing confusing because many people trust wikipedia, Similar situation I faced today. If one wants I can provide my own certificate(redacted) issued by government as proof of existence of this community and I belong to this community.

Also another reason being that some people who moved down to further south in india , we are confused with Maratha (caste) because of both of our communities speak Marathi language. Hence causing more confusion. K.amit89 (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your predicament, K.amit89, but it is not Wikipedia's responsibility if people ascribe meaning to there being or not being an article on a particular subject. We see a similar concern from people in jobs that don't much get written about (for example production engineers in the music industry), and who believe that their career is being affected because there isn't a Wikipedia article about them. But Wikipedia is a private project with its own rules and purposes. If there are not enough reliable independent published sources to base and article on, then there will not be an article. ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There used to be an article named Bhavsar, which was deleted in 2018 through the proposed deletion process, and in 2008 as a copyright violation. Since the 2018 version was deleted under the PROD process, anyone can ask for it to be undeleted at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, however, you should be ready to address the concerns from 2018. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This might be a challenging task if few published sources exist on the topic, K.amit89. It might not be much use me telling you, but people shouldn't trust Wikipedia articles unless they are properly supported by reliable sources (which ideally the reader should consult, rather than relying on Wikipedia's summary). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Seeking Advise

Hello,

Hello, my name is Eugene Brill and want to introduce the term Wannabe Naturalist to the world. I am a landscape, nature, wildlife, and travel photographer and author. I'm the publisher of The Wannabe Naturalist™ magazine.

I submitted an article introducing the term 'Wannabe Naturalist' that was rejected - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheWannabeNaturalist?markasread=254679916&markasreadwiki=enwiki

Eager to learn how to improve the article, I am seeking guidance. I'm passionate about nature, the environment and natural history. I believe that Nature Deficit Disorder (NDD) is real, I agree that “forest bathing” (fully clothed, of course . . . 😎) makes us happier, healthier, and more creative.

Also see: https://wannabenaturalist.com/ https://www.eugenebrill.me/ https://eugenebrill.com/

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely; Eugene Brill 2603:6080:EE01:6BA0:A101:7870:5ACE:AFFB (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You need multiple reliable sources that have taken note of this magazine. That mere fact that it exists isn't enough. ValarianB (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TheWannabeNaturalist: Absolutely not. One doesn't use Wikipedia to "introduce" anything. Wikipedia is never to be used as a publicity medium. Not ever. We have articles on topics that have already proven themselves to be notable independent of Wikipedia.

If you feel the topic is notable, see Wikipedia:Golden rule. Not a single one of the sources you cited qualifies. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Your draft at User:TheWannabeNaturalist/sandbox was Declined, not Rejected (a more severe option), but it has no potential to become an article. Your own websites, if used as references, will not confer notability. David notMD (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, you copy/pasted content directly from your copyright-protected website (ref #1), which is forbidden. David notMD (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to the Teahouse.

Wikipedia is not an advertising site. It is also not for coining new terms. Here at Wikipedia, we follow trends, we do not create them. That's by design - we only create articles for things after they've gained noteworthiness in their fields, or, more specifically, when they are notable, a piece of wiki-jargon that means "has been given significant coverage in multiple reliable sources which are independent of the subject." Which is a slightly longer sentence of wiki-jargon. It's jargon all the way down around here, really. The key words are "multiple", which means more then one source, "significant", which means it wasn't a passing mention (one sentence isn't enough), "reliable", meaning the source can generally be assumed to be factual (anything that issues corrections or has editors is usually more reliable - however, online blogs and the like are usually less reliable.), and "independent" (meaning it doesn't have a direct relation to the subject: a subject writing about itself. or for example, sponsored content or writing about a family member, wouldn't pass this.).

No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, but since you asked, I'll point out the major problems with your article. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Your article, which simply defines a term, reads more like a glossary or dictionary entry then an encyclopedia article. An encyclopedia article includes information about a topic that isn't a definition of the phrase. Another major problem is that what you've wrote reads more like an advertisement for Cornell than a neutrally-written Wiki article. Oh, and also, you've copy-pasted text from a copyrighted source, which is not only not allowed for licensing reasons but also probably illegal (but I am not a lawyer and this is not to be taken as legal advice. neither I, the wikipedia user casualdejekyll, nor wikipedia itself or the wikimedia foundation that runs it, offer legal advice, and you should talk to a lawyer for a conclusive answer on whether or not something is legal). casualdejekyll 01:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, @Eagleash, by the way, I'd like to know what your thinking was as far as choosing to not G12 this draft was. To me it seems pretty obviously copyvio - is there something I'm missing here? casualdejekyll 01:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Requesting deletion of User:HolyNetworkAdapter

I need my Meta-Wiki stuff to apply here, Not sure if this is the right place to ask so yeah. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Related: #Regarding images —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I deleted it but you could have used {{db-u1}} template. Ruslik_Zero 19:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Article deletion

I created an article with sufficient sources. It was deleted, as in a prior afd several years ago, the consensus was to delete. I decided that time has passed, and the subject has become more notable. However, the article was speedy deleted, without proper afd procedure. I would like to send an AFC on that article, but I would like the archived content I made on that article, sent to me, possibly through my Sandbox. Thank you. Bronoton (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bronoton: Welcome to the Teahouse! To request a copy of the deleted content, you may contact someone in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bronoton I took a look at the recently-deleted page and, as it stood, I couldn't see any sources that suggested she meets WP:NACTRESS. If you were to have the content restored, it would be necessary to work on it in your sandbox until you felt it did meet those essential notability criteria and only then to submit it for review at WP:AFC and not to try to move it directly into mainspace again. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Bronoton (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

City Councillor Edits

I am attempting to edit information in regards to a city councillor running for re-election this fall, and feel the the information is important to update. For some reason, his page was just locked from further changes, when the changes being made were minor ones such as: adding a profile photo, promoting legislative and community successes as opposed to slander articles, ect. The wikipedia page in question is for George Darouze, who is a city councillor in Ottawa. OttawaResident74 (talk) 23:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm that the page is protected. I think that was because a blocked user kept removing controversy sections, which is often a sign of either conflict of interest editing or paid editing. However, you may still make changes on the talk page. Thanks! Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response Weekly. I am just trying to update the incumbents page fairly. I believe there is conflict of interest being engaged in by a member on the platform due to the fact that there are changes being made to the incumbents page, as well as one of the other people running by the same person. I am updating the page in question in the spirit of fairness to all candidates. When I attempt to make changes now, it still states the page is protected and requires edit requests, is this proper? OttawaResident74 (talk) 23:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, when the page is semi-protected, all non-autoconfirmed editors are prevented from editing the page, even if they weren't the one making problematic edits. I think you need to wait until your account is four days old (yours was created about an hour and a half ago at the time of writing) to edit autoconfirmed articles directly like that one.

Also, I see your edit requests were declined due to not getting consensus. To seek consensus, you can another new section on the talk page. To attract editors to the discussion, feel free to post neutrally-worded invitations to the discussion at the relevant WikiProject talk pages. In this case, it is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. Hope this helps, Weeklyd3 (talk) 00:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I personally doubt such a thing would get consensus. It's removing sourced information with a reason of "irrelevant" when it really isn't, IMO. (It's worth noting that as an American, literally the only Ottawan Politician I know is Gregory Guevara, so my opinion probably isn't worth any salt.) casualdejekyll 00:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

My personal reason for wanting it removed is moreso the fact that it may constitute a conflict of interest by the writer, due to the fact that the person he is said to be supporting is currently running against him in the upcoming election, thus promoting the opposition candidate further, when there is no mention of Thompson's endorsement of Darouze in 2014. OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Then instead of removing it, say that the endorsement happened, but they later ran against each other? casualdejekyll 01:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the help man OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and paid editing

Conflict of interest and paid editing concern

This post is in regards to a city councillor in Ottawa named George Darouze's page being locked on wikipedia, whilst one of his challengers in an upcoming election did not have his locked. I am a constituent in his area and am curious about your comments regarding paid editing or conflicts of interest. I was looking through candidates for my local area for the upcoming election, and couldn't help but notice stark differences in 2 candidates pages. The Darouze page had A) pushed negative media articles in reference to the councillor to the top of the page B) referenced his previous support for the man who is now running against him (relevance) and C) after checking the page of both Darouze, and another candidate named Doug Thompson, I couldn't help but notice that there was an individual making a large amount of edits for the Thompson page whilst also posting the slander pieces against Darouze. Does this not constitute a conflict of interest or paid editing situation? I think it is worth looking into the person in question who has been actively editing both websites during a campaign and posting favourable/unfavourable sections based on what I perceive to be their own conflict of interest. Thanks OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: George Darouze and  Courtesy link: Doug Thompson. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, OttawaResident74. The proper place to discuss these issues is the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 00:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Scared to make changes

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but what happens if the info i put in an edit is wrong? Can i get in trouble? CosmiiWasTaken (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @CosmiiWasTaken, and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia certainly can be intimidating at times. If you make an edit in good faith, you can rest assured that you won't face negative consequences. Cheers, 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 04:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello CosmiiWasTaken. One of the nice things about Wikipedia is that "do overs" are usually pretty easy. If, for example, you make a mistake and add something you found in an unreliable source, another editor may revert your edit (change the article back to how it was before you worked on it) and the person may write on your Talk page and make a suggestion on how to improve your edits. That might be a little embarrassing, but if you learn from your mistake, and go on to make a lot of useful edits, you can be proud of the improvements you've made. I've made an occasional blunder, but more experienced editors could tell I was trying to do things properly, so I never got in trouble.

It may be helpful to read Referencing for beginners. Just take it slow as your learn, look for good references, make your edit, click on the "Show preview" button to check to see if everything looks the way you want it to, add a short "Edit summary" (such as -- added birthdate & reference) and then click "Publish changes." Happy editing. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Guatemala

Guatemalan gastronomy 74.104.171.247 (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP user. The Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about editing? Perfect4th (talk) 04:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Are you looking for Guatemalan cuisine? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Signature date format

I don't like dmy format dates, I prefer mdy dates. How can I make my signature use mdy dates instead of dmy?

- A diehard editor (talk | edits) 08:35, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor Click on Preferences > Appearance, then use the radio buttons to select a date format of your choice. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It's already set to mdy, I'm trying to change the date at the end of my signature. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 08:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor: not possible, sorry. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 08:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Are there any plans to allow specifying signature date formats, via modifications to MediaWiki itself? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Explanatory translations in lead

What's the correct format for writing the original name (when the article title is a translation) or the translation (when the article title is in a foreign language) in the lead?

I've seen two contradictory uses and I don't know which one is wrong (if any of them is):

1. Teatro Colón (Spanish: Columbus Theatre)
2. July 9 Avenue (Spanish: Avenida 9 de Julio)

I'd say #1 is incorrect and it should say Spanish for xxxx, but I'm not sure. Are there some guidelines for this?

Thanks. --Angus (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The principal name in the lead, as in the title of the article, should be the name most commonly used in the sources cited - see COMMONNAME. Sometimes this is a translation (eg Day of the Dead and sometimes the original (eg Eine kleine Nachtmusik). ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm talking about the thing inside parentheses. As you see, the format in both cases is "(Foreign language: xxxx)", but in some cases xxxx is the English translation and sometimes the original name. --Angus (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Sorry I misunderstood. MOS:LEADLANG says that the second is correct. I haven't found anything that says what to do with case 1, but the paragraph preceding the one I cited has both a an example like your 1 ("The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Italian: Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo)") and one that takes a different approach ("Las Meninas (Spanish for The Maids of Honour)").

I don't find the contradiction troubling, as the meaning is clear in context, and I find the extra word in the "Las Meninas" example unnecessary. But if you think it's important, and want to discuss it, I think WT:Manual of Style/Lead section would be the place to do so. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. --Angus (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

How Do I Report Myself?

How do I report the atrocious edit I just made and receive the punishment I so richly deserve? 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk) 08:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

We don't "report" edits unless they're part of a serious behavioural issue. We just revert and/or discuss them. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Can I Have Coffee Instead?

I don't like tea. Is coffee allowed here? 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk) 08:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, coffee is allowed, but this is a place to ask questions about Wikipedia. We are an encyclopedia, not a teahouse roleplay community. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor I think this comment was simply in jest and not an attempt at roleplay. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor Wow, you must be a delightful person at parties. Just a veritable laugh riot, you are.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk • contribs) 09:22, August 24, 2022 (UTC)

That's enough of that thank you, be civil. Polyamorph (talk) 09:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I have blocked the /64 range of this IP, having looked back at various offensive posts they have made over the last few days. Their third block will be a lot longer if they can't be civil. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)