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Is there a problem with the list of links currently?

I noticed that the list of links in and out of articles on the English wikipedia currently has many links that are not actualy in the article. As an example: the article Polar bear is reported to have about 800 (!) links. Try this API link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=Polar%20bear&prop=links%7Cimages%7Cdisplaytitle&format=json&origin=*. Many of these links seem to be other mammals that are not mentioned in the article, like for example African Wild Dog. The African Wild Dog article also mentions Polar Bear under "What links here". What is going on? Known bug? Something related to categories?

I noticed the same sort of issue for all articles about clothing. Like Raincoat supposedly links to Jeans, while it doesn't.

Teunduynstee (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Teunduynstee This is an artefact of the use of {{Clothing}} template, for example, in the Raincoat article and the Carnivora one on the Polar bear article. That's where all the links are contained that aren't in the main article's text. There is a search you can use to find "real" links but I forget the technicalities. I'm sure someone else will reply in a bit.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I remember now. Go to the "what links here" page for the article and tick "hide transclusions". Then the links that are left are the article-to-article links only. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC) No, that's not the correct way to do it!

I see. So it is intentional. All articles using one of those templates link to all others. I don't quite see the value of that compared to using a Category, but maybe I just don't understand the use case. But is there a way to get only the direct links from the API? Teunduynstee (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

These are the sorts of questions that PrimeHunter normally answers in a flash. Hopefully, he'll do so now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Teunduynstee: You may try searching for a specific wikilink code in the article body with a regular expression:

insource:/\[\[[Pp]olar bear/

→ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%5B%5C%5B%5BPp%5Dolar+bear%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1

Be aware regex search may be time-consuming, so you may need to wait for a result, or even not get it at all due to HTTP timeout.

--CiaPan (talk) 17:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Teunduynstee Ah! Yes, now I remember it properly. You can prevent the timeout by combining the regex search with a conventional one. For example in this case the articles that link to Polar bear will have the word "bear" so insource:"bear" insource:/\[\[[Pp]olar bear/ should always be fast. In fact it gives 182 hits Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Your search link (not the displayed search text) includes </code> so there are too few hits. @Teunduynstee: User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js makes the link Source links under "Tools" on Polar bear. I think you also have to make a search to find source links with the API. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Duh. Trust me to give the wrong right answer! 1,245 hits it is, then. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

My script uses linksto: to efficiently narrow the search space from the start. Without this, the search may time out and give no or too few results. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

That is awesome, this should be enough for me to solve my issue. Thanks all! Teunduynstee (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

IS this identity request a spoof?

HI, I just got this email. I can easily provide identification, but this just seems off to me. Was this really sent by wikipedia? And yes, I do have an article in wikipedia, but that is because I love my field and I have been active in it for over 35 years. I do not and will not edit my own article. I am leading a group to help clarify and extend the articles in my field. Thanks for your verification on this.

Here is the email I got. As your user page claims the identity of someone who has an article, please verify your identity by sending proof to Info-en@wikipedia.org This is to prevent impersonation, so please take care of this in a timely manner. Slywriter (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC) LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: Pinging Sly since they are mentioned. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

This is a legitimate message, but Slywriter, this is only usually an issue if they attempt to edit about themselves and/or have their name as their username. 331dot (talk) 20:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

331dot, review the wikiproject they have created which includes in the list their article and is how I noticed. So, while they can say they will never edit their article, the wikiproject is directly related to their former profession and includes themselves in the scope. Also don't think we should be leaving user pages as a backdoor to claiming an identity of a notable person without verification, though if policy disagree there then so be it. Slywriter (talk) 21:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I am still in my field. I have wanted to update wikipedia for years, as my field is sorely underrepresented in wikipedia. We have about 15 folks in our field who are busy collating references, etc. Finally, I retired from my full time, 60 hour a week paying job, and now I have time to devote to this project (as well as writing my next book). I have been working with senior wikipedians, who have been extremely helpful and kind, to develop a project page where many people can help edit articles in my field.

What proof would you require for who I am and how would I provide that to the Powers That Be without providing any private information on a public channel?

Thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature, such information, if required, should go to WP:VRT (via email), not over any public channel. But it's not required from you at present by any of our policies. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

THank you. I did respond via email and I did put a conflict of interest statement on my user page, noting that I am not paid or compensated in any way, but I have been in the field for over 30 years. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, sorry to have alarmed you. The message was posted to your user talk page, not an email (though I assume Wikipedia sent email notification about the posting). There may be a difference of opinion on whether verification is actually needed but I'd still take the position it is better to establish now, rather than have it questioned down the line when someone takes issue with an edit and sees a gotcha moment. Slywriter (talk) 22:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

You might want to use less authoritative-sounding phrasing when there could be a difference of opinion involved. I found this Talk message extremely creepy, and it wasn't even directed at me! I've received obvious phishing emails that raised fewer alarm bells. -- asilvering (talk) 04:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Um, is this directed at me or at Slywriter? I can use a less authoritative sounding message as well... I do want to be a respected member of wikipedia and follow all guidelines. Thank you for any advice you can give me to help our project succeed. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Asilvering LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature: Hello. I believe Asilvering's comment was direct at Slywriter :-) —usernamekiran (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, kiran is right, I was replying to Slywriter. -- asilvering (talk) 04:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Reference help

I've tried creating a page - Draft:2022 Memphis 901 FC season

i got a response back from a reviewer saying that "This draft has no references. Notability cannot be established without references." but I have references? I'm confused as to what I am missing. Tivo15 (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:2022 Memphis 901 FC season is the link to the draft. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I think this might have been automatic, based on the "unreferenced" tag. I've removed it. -- asilvering (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Asilvering @Tivo15 None of the current references are independent, all are published by the subject itself or close associates, thus they are of no use at all to prove the notability of the subject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The references might be poor, but they're not entirely absent, which is what the "unreferenced" tag means and what the reviewer comment said. -- asilvering (talk) 04:43, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Article

There's an article called Global Recognition that has poor writing, the sources are bad news articles and blog posts, and it's an orphan article. I read through the guidelines for content deletion but I'm not sure if these criteria are sufficient. Pseudnaxalbari (talk) 14:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@pseudnaxalbari: not sure what you're talking about. searching for "Global Recognition" gives these results. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 14:54, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight I believe @Pseudnaxalbari is referring to Global regionalization instead. Jolly1253 (talk) 15:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

yes I am talking about Global regionalization. Sorry! Pseudnaxalbari (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@pseudnaxalbari: yes. global regionalization is definitely a candidate for deletion. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 15:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Should we flag it as such, then? In the template message? Pseudnaxalbari (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@pseudnaxalbari: there are quite a few steps to nominating a page for deletion, see WP:AFDHOWTO. or do you want me to do it? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

No I'll try to do it myself Pseudnaxalbari (talk) 07:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a PDF

Please, what template do I use in citing a PDF? Thanks. — Python Drink (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2022 (UTC) Python Drink (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not the format that matters, it's what it's a PDF of. If it's a PDF of an article in a journal, user {{Cite journal}}; if it's a PDF of a book, use {{Cite book}}; etc. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

And note that, unless the PDF is the only place that this is published, you are not "citing the PDF": you are citing the article, book, chapter or whatever, with the important information like title, date, author, publisher. As a non-essential convenience, you are also providing a link to where the text can be found online. ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

How do you want the chronologies?

Is there a template I should be using for lists of works and essays? Should this be in reverse chronological order? In bullets? I have seen many different formats. Is there a prescribed way we should follow? If so, I'll fix everything I come across to that format. I would argue for reverse chronological, as that is much easier to read and update. Thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature, see WP:CHRONO. They should be in chronological order in an encyclopedia. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature Whilst @StarryGrandma has correctly pointed you to guidance on how we order events (from earliest to latest) in an article, it might also be worth me pointing you to the last sub-section of this advice about Single article bibliographies from the WikiProject on Bibliographies. Bulleted lists are recommended. Tables could be used but, to be frank, they are a lot harder to edit and to update. You could choose either alphabetical or chronological order. Your choice may depend what your are trying to achieve by including that list of works. I don't recommend reverse chronological order - stick to earliest significant work first, then later significant works after that. Adding new works to the end is a simple task, and doing it that way best shows the subject's development of their publishing/writing achievements. Putting their latest work first is not a good idea, in my opinion. Don't include everything; a select list of carefully chosen bibliographic works is far better than a CV-type list of every little thing that they've ever done. Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. As I edit articles, I will reorder for the chronological order, first works first. I will also try to use bullets--I agree that tables are hard to edit. Are there specific templates for punctuation? I have seen many forms. Is this correct:

• Title, YEAR, any other information

@Nick Moyes LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

That format is quite common, yes. You could use citation templates, for example {{Cite book}}, {{Citation}}, or {{Vcite book}}. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

WHY WAS MY FACTUAL CORRECTION REJECTED?

I made a correction based on fact to the bio of Sergei Bortkiewicz which was rejected because the mediator considered it "unconstructive".The extract i corrected was From 1904 until 1914, Bortkiewicz continued to live in Berlin but spent his summers visiting his family in Ukraine. Since Ukraine did not exist until 1917, this is historically totally incorrect. Why therefore was my edit rejected ? 79.143.132.145 (talk) 04:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

ukraine, geographically. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. Your edit was unconstructive because it inserted an editorial comment into the article Sergei Bortkiewicz. Whether your point is valid or not (and how to refer to geographical locations whose affinities and names have changed is a perennial issue), leaving a comment that says "this is an error because ..." does not help a reader. The best thing to do is either to boldly change the text to what you think it should read, or to open a discussion on the article's talk page (in this case Talk:Sergei Bortkiewicz). Please see WP:BRD for how this works. ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

how about "in what is now Ukraine"? DS (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

That sounds much better. David10244 (talk) 06:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

What's the criteria for someone being from a city?

I'm looking at the page for a city and some of the notable people listed were not born there and they didn't grow up there. Is it anyone who was notable and lived in the city for a certain amount of time? Thank you for your help, Tovanish (talk) 05:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Tovanish Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, those sections of articles about cities are for anyone associated with the city, be it being born there or some other type of connection. If you feel a person shouldn't be listed in such a section, please discuss it on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree this gets silly for professional athletes. Shaquille O'Neal played one season with the Boston Celtics, and Sudbury, Massachusetts (a Boston suburb) claims him as a notable resident for the year he lived there. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I request to remove Draft:Sari Katha Article on Mainspace

It is a Tribe Draft Article. This is main purpose of We, the Santals are one of the largest homogeneous tribal communities of India, counting more than 10 million people. Apart from India, Santals live in the neighbouring countries, in Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan. Despite this geographical distance, Santals share the same language, cultural tradition and values. Santals’ social and religious system is very complex and complete in itself. Each village has five representatives who are selected by the village community through consensus to run the village. They are ‘Manjhi baba’ the headman, ‘Jog Manhi’ the assistant-headman, Naike, the priest, Paranik the youth guide, and Godet, the convener. All kinds of disputes, including any family and personal problems, are discussed in the village meetings and are settled through common consent. Golmala (talk) 09:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

You need to submit your draft for review. Theroadislong (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

It appears you mean move your draft to mainspace, not remove your draft to mainspace. As Theroadislong advised, the proper path is to submit your draft to the reviewing process. David notMD (talk) 12:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Golmala What the draft is about is confusing. Is it about a Youtube channel? If yes, then all the content about the Santal people does not belong in the article. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Golmala There is already an article about the Santal people in the encyclopaedia. Whatever topic you intend your draft to cover, you will need to show it is notable enough to merit a separate article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Golmala Encyclopedia articles should not use the word "we". Also, curly quotes. David10244 (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

User-created artwork on Hindu theology articles

Recently some fellow by the name of Chronikhiles has been making edits to several Hindu religion pages, adding artwork of various mythic figures; see Tarakamaya War,Rukmavati,Diti and several others. These images appear to be AI generated original artwork created by the user themself. I do not believe this is allowed, but I want to make sure before I start trying to revert the affected pages. Additionally, if such a thing is not admissible, I humbly request that someone with moderation powers talk to this user so that they stop making such edits. 174.45.253.17 (talk) 09:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

They are AI generated, yes, and released differently, according to the policies of the AI generator websites that were used to generate them. These pictures were generated by the Deep AI website and the Neural love website, and have been released under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license according to this license the and policies of the first website, and under the CC0 license - public domain - as authorised by the second website. I do not believe that I am in violation of WP:IUP, but if I am, I am willing to comply with the removal of these images. Chronikhiles (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I believe you that the relevant images are admissible under copyright. However, your images appear to violate Wikipedia:No original research on the basis of "Original images created by a Wikipedian are not considered original research, so long as they do not illustrate or introduce unpublished ideas or arguments." As most of your artwork depicts mythological figures which have no likeness in historical artwork, they do not fall under the image policy and are thus subject to removal. StatersCollegeTagers (talk) 11:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

As editors, we have a natural pride in our work, whether it's writing, photography, or image-making. But the needs of our readers, and the importance of producing an accurate, well-balanced article must come first. Illustrations should follow the same rules as the text: they are there to inform the reader about the subject. It is appropriate to put pictures of historical artifacts, locations, important figures, pre-existing representations of deities, etc. in articles. This isn't really a copyright issue, it's a matter of which illustration serves the reader best. I'm afraid I feel strongly that these replacements weaken the article. Elemimele (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Images like at Tara (Hindu goddess) can be used, but editor's own depictions are not WP-good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm assuming that image is an "actual" statue and not something specifically designed for the giftshop. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:50, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Apparently there are more of these on en-WP. @Theroadislong, other interested, any thoughts on how to proceed? Chronikhiles, fwiw, I don't think there's anything wrong with you putting these on Commons, assuming they are your own work like you stated there and not someone elses. Commons have uses outside WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Noted. If this is indeed the consensus, I will remove the images from Wikipedia articles, retaining them in Commons. I find that some of the images I had included have already been removed, so if other editors also wish to take them down yourselves, you're welcome to do so. Chronikhiles (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I think would be good if you removed them yourself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:52, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

The AI generated images have been removed. Chronikhiles (talk) 15:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

And the ones like Bhoothath Alvar? The same reasoning applies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

The pictures I've included in the Alvars articles do not fall under this same reasoning, so I must ask you to hear me out. For one, these are historical figures, not mythological. These are images clicked from a modern copy of an actual religious text, whose content revolves around the works of these poet-saints; They are not my depictions, and are published in print according to the author's rendering of these figures. The illustrations are faithful, as they inform the reader regarding the attributes these poet-saints are associated with, as well some of their religious legends. I believe they are as valid as the image of Tara that you mentioned. Chronikhiles (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

If they are not your depictions, why does [1] state "own work"? You can not upload other people's work on Commons as your own. If they are not released under a proper license, or in the public domain, they can't be there. And if they are, "own work" must be corrected. (Ping to @Marchjuly if you feel like commenting.) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's much more that I can add here. If the images are 100% the uploader's c:COM:Own work and they want to upload them to Commons under one of the free licenses that Commons accepts per c:COM:L, then they can. Further verification of copyright ownership may be needed per c:COM:VRT#Licensing images: when do I contact VRT?, but that's about it. On the other hand, if the images aren't 100% the uploader's "own work", then they're going to need the c:COM:CONSENT of whoever created them per c:COM:VRT#If you are NOT the copyright holder. Any concerns over the copyright status of the images should take place on Commons per c:COM:D and c:COM:PCP since there's not much that can be done to resolve them here at the Teahouse. Now, let's assume that all of the images in question are uploaded to Commons and all the required consents are verified, there's still no guarantee that the images will ever be used in any Wikipedia articles. Commons is really only concerned with the copyright status of the files it hosts, whereas Wikipedia is also concerned with how images are being used. So, like text content, a WP:CONSENSUS may need to be established through article talk page discussion if one or more editors feels that the addition of the images to a Wikipedia article is not an improvement and removes them after they've been added. Any concerns about the contextual relevance of the images and their use in a Wikipedia article should take place on that article's talk page or possibly at WP:FFD since there's not much that can be done to resolve them here at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate placement

educated low road high stream to mid over e equals MC squared unmetered web portal firewall not found occupied resident. Future direction would be?.. 174.214.50.120 (talk) 12:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

If you have a question about using Wikipedia, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi there,

I made my first article some weeks ago and I started a page on a local person who died not long ago but my sandbox has a "re-direct" message. Can I delete this? what is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:B%27art_homme/sandbox&redirect=no

Thank you

Barthomme

b'art homme 15:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)

I just removed it. When you moved your sandbox to article space last time, it left a redirect that you didn't remove when starting this draft. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 15:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Redirect page already exists

Hello, so I'm currently working on an article for Roblox Studio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slo44/Roblox_Studio). There is already an existent redirect which goes to Roblox#Roblox_Studio.

I am planning on submitting my article to AfC later today, but what would happen if it gets accepted? Would this override the redirect page?

Also any feedback on my article would be appreciated, thanks! slo double 4 (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Assuming it was accepted as opposed to declined as redundant with the article on Roblox itself, it would overwrite the redirect. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 17:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. slo double 4 (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Password

Hi, I was using wikipedia a long time ago but forgot my password. could you please help me for this. I requested email to change password, but didn't receive any. 2001:1970:47DE:B700:0:0:0:DC57 (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Nobody on Wikipedia's end has access to your account password. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

How can I reset my password? 2001:1970:47DE:B700:0:0:0:DC57 (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

My username is: Rigolettoopera 2001:1970:47DE:B700:0:0:0:DC57 (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

User:Rigolettoopera has not stored a password mail address in the account (this is optional). If you don't remember the password then you have to create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

You mean email address? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

 AuthoritarianismRules56 (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @AuthoritarianismRules56, Welcome to Wikipedia! echidnaLives - talk - edits 01:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

AuthoritarianismRules56, an alarmingly high percentage of your edits have been reverted. Authoritarianism doesn't rule here; but even if an edit seems (or is) well-intentioned, if it seems to damage an article, it will be reverted. -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary I don't think the user page of @AuthoritarianismRules56 follows the guidelines in WP:UP. Is this worth worrying about? David10244 (talk) 08:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, David10244, now fixed. -- Hoary (talk) 08:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks. David10244 (talk) 09:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

what is a humming bird

humming bird 119.18.29.116 (talk) 01:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! With questions like these, please use google, the wikipedia page for them or (for more compicated questions that you can't find the answer to) you can ask the reference desk. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 01:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Is my source assesment table wrong if so can someone provide me with an improved one

I made a wikipedia draft for the articles Draft:901 (PTV Bus) and Draft:903 (PTV Bus) after checking the sources on both articles I deemed both as notable as per the source assesment tables in Draft talk:901 (PTV Bus) and Draft talk:903 (PTV Bus) however both got declined just 2 days after submission.

I also do not understand how Draft:903 (PTV Bus) recieved "This submission appears to be a news report of a single event and may not be notable enough for an article in Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS and Wikipedia:ONEEVENT for more information." even through both articles were about two of melbourne's most used bus routes.

It would be great if anyone can help.

NotOrrio (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@NotOrrio I'm not sure that the News and One Event links are relevant.

But, do encyclopedias need articles about bus routes? Should every bus route in every city in the world have an article here? Who will keep all of that information updated? Should we include the fares? We could go even further, adding the average ridership, the model of the bus itself, the name of the usual bus driver, and so on.

No... I think the web site of the local tourist bureau or visitor's center, or just a web search engine, is a much better place for people to find this kind of information. I don't think any of this belongs in an encyclopedia, but that's just my opinion. Although, WP:NOT says "Wikipedia does not aim to contain all knowledge" . David10244 (talk) 08:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I think you missed the entire point of my question. If you arent going to answer my question do not ping me NotOrrio (talk) 09:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@NotOrrio What is significant about this entire bus route, to be precise? This fails WP:SIGCOV due to the lack of significant coverage. The references are not wholly independent of the subject and multiple sources are either passing mentions or just noting what places the route connects. Ray 04:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

This article is about (x). You may be looking for (y)

What is the name of this template? Something better, what's the name of all templates like this? Oixyplanet (talk) 07:43, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet: Hello. It is generally called as hatnote. There are quite a few variations, you can find detailed information at Wikipedia:Hatnote. —usernamekiran (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Specifically, maybe Template:About. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:GA old articles

Has anybody noticed that the recent promotions section at WP:GA have been updated with decades-old GANs? Although there are many more, some I remember is White Dog (1982 film), promoted in 2009. It currently displays Stephen Lynch (politician) in recently listed good articles, which was promoted in 2011. Why is this? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: both the articles you mention were recently moved. The bot which updates the recent GA list (User:LivingBot) doesn't seem to check whether an article title which newly appears in the list of GAs was previously listed under another title, so it gets confused when an article is moved. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Advices for a new page and a question about the Redirect page

I'm working on a new page that is in the Draft Space (Draft:Ghella). I'm searching for advices to improve the work and submit the final article.

I also ask you some info regarding the system of the Redirect page. The new article is about a company, but it has the same name of a cyclist (Mario Ghella). How can it works in this case? I think that the system consider the new page connected to Mario Ghella, but they have just the name in common.

Thank you! Ddanielff (talk) 09:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

If your draft is accepted for publication, the reviewer should resolve any ambiguity, either by using a disambiguation page or by hatnotes. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:32, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Phil Foden

Can I literally just change one word at the moment in the piece - the wording is wrong, I'm convinced. Should be appearances 'off the bench' not 'on the bench' surely? I did have an interest in this article because of his involvement in the FIFA World Cup. I just want to check first before I touch anything because he is quite a high profile player? PeachyBum07 (talk) 09:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I actually think technically it's right after all, reading through it again Phil Foden - Wikipedia PeachyBum07 (talk) 10:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Can I use "America" when referring to the United States outside of quotes?

Title. Would "the Vanderbilt family was one of America's richest families" be appropriate? Ricciardo Best (talk) 13:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ricciardo Best Yes, the word is commonly used like that. "William Jefferson Clinton (né Blythe III; born August 19, 1946) is an American politician"/"Robert Hartley was America's first consumer advocate" etc. There are people who consider this use wrong but it's still the way it's commonly used. Context matters and there may be times when other wording works too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

My Article Draft Declined

Hi, My recent Article Draft Declined On Praveen K bangari Indian Cinematographer, Stating that "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners"

can u help me to re edit this article< how to improve it to get approved and get in standards of Wikipedia, Thank You Bangariblue (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I have tidied it up to be more compliant with manual of style. It is also worth reading notability criteria which is currently fails. Someone might come along and give a helping hand, but as we are all volunteers here and there are millions of articles and thousands of drafts, they might not turn up very soon.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   15:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bangariblue Please read the guidance at WP:BLP which is the policy on such biographies. Every fact must be referenced by an inline citation to a reliable source (so not including IMDB) that is WP:INDEPENDENT of Bangari and covers him in some depth. It is unlikely that anyone other than you will put in the effort to find such sources and without them the article will never be accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

"Twinkle"

Good sirs:

I am seeing that some people are using a tag called "Twinkle" when they undo other people's changes. How do I get this tag? Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ghost of Kiev - WP:TWINKLE is a javascript gadget that you can install. See the link for details. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you good sir. You appear to be logged out. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ghost of Kiev, yes, I am certainly logged out. Please get out of the habit of addressing folks as "sir" by default - I recognize that you're trying to be police polite, but I am not a sir. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry comrade. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghost of Kiev for future reference, if you see an IP here that has a Whois relating to the Navy it is this person. They edit as an IP which is their choice. To my knowledge they don't have an account. (on Discord they are known as Tarlonniel(?) tho they may just prefer to be referred to as an IP here) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Folks are welcome to call me that if they like (technically I suppose I am User:Tarlonniel - I created that account years ago, no email attached, never used it and forgot the password), but I'm fine with whatever other designations folks come up with. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Never knew you actually created an account. That would explain the name. I'll probably refer to you as both Tarlonniel and as just "IP" ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this knowledge. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Different data mentioned in different links.

Hello, I made contributions to the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Nepal_relations#Trade I found two sources that mention different numbers for the amount of electricity that has been authorised to sell. One link mentions 400MW - https://kathmandupost.com/national/2022/11/15/nepal-reduces-power-export-to-india-as-production-dips Another link mentions 364MW - https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/nepal-starts-exporting-364-mw-electricity-to-india/article65516780.ece

What should I do in such a conflict of data? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 16:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

If the two sources appear equally reliable, then you should give both numbers, cited to the appropriate source, and leave it to the reader to decide how they want to resolve the conflict. Note that if you round 364MW to 1 significant figure you get 400MW (I have no idea whether that is the issue here). ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine thanks for always helping out. I initially thought exactly what you mentioned, that 400MW was a rounded up figure. But, since it's an authorised amount, it should be a specific number. I will try doing more research to see what is the exact amount. I am sure it has to be specified somewhere. Otherwise, I will follow your suggestion and include both the numbers with their respective sources. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

How to delete an article

Hello friends,

I copy edited Slow Money, but when reading the article I got the feeling that the company is not all that important. I'm not sure that they should have a Wikipedia page. What is the way to get an article deleted? Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ghost of Kiev, you can find instructions to delete an article at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion. It looks like a lot, but really all you have to do is add the deletion template to the article and then click the red link to create a deletion page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this knowledge. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghost of Kiev, I would recommend WP:TWINKLE. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Sungodtemple. Thank you for responding. I installed Twinkle earlier today and it works very well! Ghost of Kiev (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Worldwide Weblog Access

Hello, All: I have metaverse concept sites (#twelve22vr) on LinkedIn and Facebook. I am impressed by the PV (impression) counts on LinkedIn; however, I cannot access Facebook personal profile data. I heavily use links to drive traffic to Wikipedia, worldwide. Is there a way to access and analyze web logs to gather referrer information?

Thank you in advance, Courtney @CourtneySCalhoun (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@CourtneySCalhoun There is lots of information on pageviews within Wikipedia: see WP:PVS. However, I doubt whether anyone cares about referrer information since Wikipedia is not trying to monetise anything. It relies on donations but currently is not short of money. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, Mr. Turnbull.

Depending upon the outcome of my experiment, additional donations are forthcoming. :-) CourtneySCalhoun (talk) 14:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Should we spell out acronyms?

Hi, I see this in Dene Grigar's article: NEH But it reads as NEH only, and people may not understand that? What is the proper citation form for acronyms? Is there a style sheet I am missing? Thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 18:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

The relevant part of the Manual of Style is MOS:ACRONYMS, & specifically MOS:ACRO1STUSE. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

What we see in Dene Grigar is "NEH", coloured as a link, so that if a reader doesn't know what it means, they can click on it and find out. That seems fine to me. Maproom (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

why some wrote est in the box-office collections ,is all box-office collections in india are fakes ? especially and specifically in indian movies just like bollywood, telugu, and kannanda

 Sumancranebuddy21q00 (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm guessing this refers to List of highest-grossing films in India, and is about some of the figures being listed as estimates. But the "estimation" was added three years ago in this edit, Somancranebuddy21q00. In any case an estimated figure does not mean it is fake. ColinFine (talk) 19:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I just want to know that is box-office collections in india are all fake ?

Hi Sumancranebuddy21q00, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your question is very unclear. Who wrote that the box office numbers are fake, and where? Can you provide a link? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:31, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Sumancranebuddy21q00, "estimated" is not a synonym for "fake". They are very different concepts. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Will conflict of interest make it impossible to publish an article of relative?

There is no financial interest. I would like to publish an article on my famous, deceased father in Law. A page for him would be a good fit for Wikipedia. Are there changes and steps to declare my conflict that would allow publication? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edward_Eaton_Mason ParaDocs (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ParaDocs, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, conflict of interest does not make it impossible to publish an article, but it does tend to make it harder to write the article, because it is often difficult to see whether one is writing sufficiently neutrally. Disclosure is not mandatory if there is no payment involved, but it is highly recommended, at least on the talk page of the draft or article. Please see WP:Conflict of interest for more details (or WP:PSCOI for a summary). ColinFine (talk) 20:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@DavidTanCreti: Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the process described there. That is the only venue we have for an editor with a conflict of interest to write an article for Wikipedia. Bear in mind the policy WP:NOTMEMORIAL; Wikipedia should not be used to memorialize someone. If your father in law has had significant coverage in multiple reliable published sources that are independent of him, then he would merit an article. See Wikipedia:Golden rule for an overview of what is expected. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@DavidTanCreti To write an article that will be accepted, you need to, first, gather the reliable published sources that contain the information that will become the basis for your draft. You can't base an article on your own personal knowledge, because verifiability of info in an article, by other readers, is a core concept in Wikipedia. If you have those sources that you can cite, great! Carry on, using the Articles for creation link that the experienced editor Anachronist gave. In case you were not aware, all of these blue words are links that contain a lot of additional information. (I see that I repeated some of what Anachronist said. Oops.) David10244 (talk) 08:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@DavidTanCreti Paradoxically, your current draft is probably too long. Despite trimming by David notMD, it contains lots of material written by Mason but not about him. It will assist the reviewers if you could list (perhaps as comments at the top of the draft) three or four sources that are all of reliable, WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT of him. That will show that he meets the notability criteria, which is the main hurdle to getting the draft accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull

I would love to place a WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT

source list at the top of the draft. How do I

format comments in the draft document? Thank you. ParaDocs (talk) 21:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

File licensing issues

Hi DavidTanCreti. In addition to the concerns raised above about the textual content of the draft, there are also issues related to the images you've uploaded to Commons that are being used in the draft. You seem to be misunderstanding some very important things about c:Commons:Licensing and copyright ownership in general. Pretty much all of your file uploads, except one, have issues that need addressing in order for them to be kept by Commons, and you can find out what these are by checking the notifications I posted at c:User talk:DavidTanCreti. You might want to take a look at c:Commons:Own work because "own work" has a very specific meaning when it comes to copyright law, and this meaning might not be familiar to you. Generally, it's the person who takes a photo who is considered to be the copyright holder of a photo; not the subject of a photo or anyone possessing a physical copy of a photo. So, "own work" would only apply to these photos if you actually were the person who originally took them. Photographing, scanning or otherwise digitalizing a photo originally taken by someone else doesn't make the original photo your "own work" and doesn't void any claim of copyright authorship held by the original photographer. In fact, in most cases, such a thing isn't even considered sufficient to generate a new copyright for your recreation. Even in cases where you're actually photographing someone else's publicly displayed creative work (e.g. a sculpture, a store signboard, a window display), you may need consider the copyright status of the original work. Bascially, you can't release someone else's work or a photograph of someone else's work under a Creative Commons license without their c:COM:CONSENT or providing evidence of a copyright transfer agreement. Image copyright can be tricky to figure out sometimes; so, if you have a specific questions about a particular file you uploaded, feel free to ask them on your Commons user talk page. Just post your question comment below the notification I added for the relevant image and I will try and answer it. Since whether the draft you're working on is ultimately accepted by English Wikipedia is not related in any way to the images being used in it, it's much better to specific details related to the your file uploads over at Commons and keep the discussion separate from what's being discussed above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

SOS! NEED ART AND DANCE ADMIN FOR HELP!

Hello. I need Dance art Admin to watch my Page. All pages what i have created about Dance sphere and Famous dancers were nominated for deletion by one user. LoveInDance (talk) 19:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Some kind people above gave me this link. I hope that it helps you. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 19:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LoveInDance, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no such thing as a "Dance art Admin": Admins have no special authority, they are just people who have been trusted to use certain tools that the rest of us don't get to use.

The fact that you have had so many drafts declined or deleted suggests that you haven't understood something fundamental about how Wikipedia works. Please study WP:YFA and WP:NARTIST carefully. You might also like to ask some of the people participating in WP:WikiProject Dance if they will work with you (it appears that the project itself is inactive, but some of the members may be still active). ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

It's you. You have been creating articles in mainspace without going through the articles for creation creation/review process. Your articles have been either Speedy deleted, nominated for deletion or draftified. Some of those drafts subsequently submitted to AfC and Declined. Please slow down. For the articles at AfD, you have about a week to improve the articles before an Administrator makes a decision. You can also add Comments at the AfDs. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Please pay attention to the advice you have received, including mandatory disclosure requirements. Blanking your user page is not sufficient. The articles have been nominated because you are disregarding the feedback you received. Please disclose why you're in a rush to have these in mainspace and are not respecting the process in place for new editors to improve articles in advance of publishing them. Thank you Star Mississippi 20:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

The "one user" thing. Often, when a new account has a significant problem with article creation or editing, experienced editors will look at their other posts to see if similar problems exist. To the new editor, this may feel like malicious persecution. It's not. You have been advised to slow down. I will add, focus on getting one draft approved (or one AfD decided in your favor). That will be part of an education process which increases your likelihood of being more successful going forward. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Khura14. In my judgment, you do not have adequate English language writing skills to contribute successfully here. I suggest that you focus on editing the Azerbaijani Wikipedia at least until your English skills are much better developed. Cullen328 (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Khura14 I agree about the English language fluency. All articles that I see by you do not use correct English, unfortunately. David10244 (talk) 09:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Can u correct them? LoveInDance (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Quick question

Is there a tool that helps when I want to translate an article from another language? I want to translate https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B8,_%D0%90%D0%B1%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D0%98%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 to English but I don't know how to make the fact box show up right on this Wikipedia. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 22:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ghost of Kiev: I don't think that you have enough edits (500) to be able to use the content translation tool, and in any event I don't think that it helps with infoboxes. You'll probably just need to use {{Infobox writer}} and fill in the fields by hand. You'll definitely want to read Help:Translation, though. Deor (talk) 22:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this knowledge. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 22:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ghost of Kiev: (edit conflict) I suggest you run it through Google Translate, and use {{Infobox writer}} as Deor said. Fill in the fields that are recognizable in the Google-translated version. You would have to re-do the wikilinking with this method, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ghost of Kiev. First note that you can use a Wikilink to the article ru:Дерменджи, Абдулла Ибраимович (make sure you put a colon (:) before the "ru:", or the software will think that you are saying that that article corresponds to this page that we are on!)

I won't duplicate the Information Deor has given you; but note that each Wikipedia has its own policies on things like notability. My Russian isn't very good, but it doesn't look to me as if the three sources in the ru article are sufficient to establish notability for en-wiki. My advice is to treat this as a new English draft, maybe translating some text from the Russian, but certainly finding and using better sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this knowledge. This person has an entry in the Encyclopedia of Modern Ukraine (https://esu.com.ua/search_articles.php?id=26271). Is that enough to get an article on Wikipedia? Ghost of Kiev (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

No, that is not enough. It may indicate that there are suitable sources that will meet English Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and perhaps even point to them; but as an encytclopaedia, it is a tertiary source; Wikipedia requires secondary sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if this is where I ask, but does anyone know why and how to stop the Wikipedia mobile app sending erroneous notifications?

I keep receiving a mobile notification thanking me for my first edit, sometimes it's tenth or 100th. I'm up to 900 edits and started editing over a year ago, but it still spams me with these. Is there a way to turn them off while still being able to see talk page messages and relevant communications? Zorya's Leshak▲ (-10.0) 23:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

User:Zorya's Leshak: I think there is a option to turn it off in the notification section of Special:Preferences. Roost^T_C(Please ping me) 00:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've turned off "edit milestones", I'll see if it fixes it. Zorya's Leshak▲ (-10.0) 01:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zorya's Leshak: Wikipedia:APP Has a link to the FAQ for that app, maybe that will help you RudolfRed (talk) 00:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I think if you go to Settings in the app, then notifications, you can turn these off. I had a similar issue on iOS and it worked, but I don't know about android. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 00:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC).

@Zorya's Leshak Thanks for this note. We'll investigate why the app might be sending erroneous notifications. In the meantime, you can indeed disable just the "milestone"-type notifications: Go into the app, go to the Notifications screen (bell icon), go to Notification Preferences (from the three-dots menu at the top), and tap "Customize push notifications". You should see a list of all the types of notifications, with checkboxes to enable/disable each one. DBrant (WMF) (talk) 13:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Zorya's Leshak. I have been using the android mobile app for a few months now. This sounds like it might be a technical issue since it keeps happening, so I'll ping DBrant (WMF). He might be able to explain what's going on and fix it if there is an issue with the app itself. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm on Android, too. I just got a notification that a page I created months ago was reviewed... so it's not just the milestones. Zorya's Leshak▲ (-10.0) 02:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Another alternative, Zorya's Leshak, is to use the fully functional desktop site, which works perfectly well on Android devices. I wrote an essay about this, User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Cullen328 (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll probably just disable notifications from my phone's settings. It's just annoying to not get relevant notifications. Zorya's Leshak▲ (-10.0) 03:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll point out that this question is about push notifications, which the desktop site does not provide. DBrant (WMF) (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Changing a title

This is quite embarrasing to say, but i made a typo in a draft article typo, and cannot for the life of me work out how to change it. Could someone please let me know how? thanks HistVa (talk) 03:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

i just made another typo in the question on a typo, i meant

"I made a typo in the TITLE of a draft article" HistVa (talk) 03:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

HistVa, view your mistitled draft. Look for the option "Move". This means "Retitle". Move the item from Draft:Something to Draft:Somethingelse. If you don't see the "Move" option or are unable to move your draft, then say here what the title is and what it should be, and somebody here will move it for you. -- Hoary (talk) 04:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Looked for quite a bit but I couldnt find it. I'll link the article, the title should be "Susanna Moodie: Roughing it in the Bush"

Draft:Susanna Moodie: Roughing in in the Bush HistVa (talk) 04:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Messed up a bit, but I think it should be fine. Jolly1253 (talk) 04:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with receiving edit approval

Hello, I has a question in receiving permission to edit the Toronto Blue Jays page. There is a notice that only semi-protected accounts may edit this page, and based on the information I have found thus far I have semi-protected status. I wanted to know the correct protocol on how to go about asking for the correct permissions or if there is another preferred avenue for editing pages like that. Below is the notice from the page:

"Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse. 01:48, 10 April 2018 Courcelles talk contribs protected Toronto Blue Jays [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (indefinite) (Persistent vandalism) (hist) (thank) View full log"

Thank you, Datsa54 (talk) 04:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Datsa54 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at your contributions, you are already an autoconfirmed user, so you should be able to edit the article directly. You can read WP:SEMI to find out more about semi-protected articles. Jolly1253 (talk) 04:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

My Company Wikipedia Page got Deleted

I have created a my company Wikipedia page and it got deleted under Speedy Deletion with the code CSD G10. I have created a detailed content with may referebces and Wikipedia is saying that it is a promotional content. Now if we are creating a brand page, it is going to be promotional. We need to talk about details and history of brand.

My competitor has Wikipedia page and they are even mentioning lesser content than us. I don't understand how their page is live from years and mine got deleted. Will be thankful if someone can guide me on how to create a company page that does not look promotional and survive on Wikipedia. 202.14.120.58 (talk) 04:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

G10 means that your page was an attack page. Wikipedia is not a promotional website and you do not own the Wikipedia page on your company. If it is promotional, it will be deleted in due time. Ray 04:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. This is your only edit from this IP address. Are you editing logged out from your account? If so, what is your username? What is the precise name of the article that got deleted? When you write my company Wikipedia page, that indicates that you have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of what Wikipedia is all about. We do not have "company pages". Instead, we have neutrally written encyclopedia articles about notable companies as Wikipedia defines that term. Your use of the term my is also problematic. If your company is notable and an article about it is accepted, then you and your company would have no control over the article, as long as the content complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 05:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The only way that type of article could get a G10 (rather than a G11 which it otherwise would have had) is if it was used to attack said competitor. Did it include any sort of content that could be interpreted as defamatory?Zorya's Leshak▲ (-10.0) 06:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, please provide that article title for the competitor, so that it can be reviewed. If it does not meet current standards for Wikipedia (older articles often do not), then it either needs to be improved or nominated for deleton. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

User:202.14.120.58 (Courtesy Ping) Roost^T_C(please ping me when replying) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Roost IP users cannot be pinged. However, I have left a talkback message at the talk page of the IP editor. Jolly1253 (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

For everyone's reference, this user is blocked; they've been advised on the -en-help IRC channel that they need to start by requesting an unblock before anything else. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I recommend a new page?

Hello, I am a NH resident who has been using wikipedia for a LONG time. I love how the convenience of a physical encyclopedia is at the tips of my fingers and I can gather information about ANY subject in a matter of seconds. With the "death" of my home state's great icon (The old Man in the Mountain) almost 2 decades ago, I was extremely surprised there is NO MENTION on a second great geological pheneomenon that represents a man's face only a few miles away. This granite formation is called "Indian Head" and is widely known throughout the area, yet NO mention on wikipedia. Here is a website that offers basic info: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/indian-head. I would like to see a page created for this wonderful natural phenomenon, but have no idea on how to do so. Xanman2112 (talk) 05:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Xanman2112. If you read the Wikipedia article about Atlas Obscura, you will see that it consists of user-generated content. Accordingly, coverage in Atlas Obscura is insufficient to determine that a topic is Notable and therefore eligible for a Wikipedia article. It is not a reliable source. So, it is up to you to find higher quality sources if you want to see an article about this rock formation on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you... I have removed the reference. Xanman2112 (talk) 12:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Xanman2112, interesting. An alternate approach may be to aim for a Mount Pemigewasset article. We need a few sources per WP:GNG. This one [2] looks useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd prefer to just stick to the profile instead of the mountain it sits upon. I created a draft and submitted for review. Xanman2112 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:Indian Head. (So that Teahouse hosts who are curious can view it.) David notMD (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Xanman2112@David notMD@Cullen328 APOLOGIES! I didn't check back and created my own version, Mount Pemigewasset. Xanman2112 so sorry for stepping on your toes. However, of the 3 current sources in your draft, one is a WP:BLOG and the other 2 doesn't mention the topic of the article. When the topic is something like a mountain, books may be the place to look for WP:RS. The sources I've read so far says Mount Pemigewasset and Indian Head are different names for the same thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

And I've created a redirect from Indian Head (New Hampshire) to the Mount Pemigewasset article. I think any further information about the "face" formation can be added to that article. Deor (talk) 16:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Ping @Deor, if you have any recommendation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

See above. We apparently edited here at the same time, and I, at least, didn't encounter an edit conflict. Deor (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Me neither. Modern technology. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Article getting declined despite direct references to prove that they have studio albums with a major label

Is there a lot of room for discussion around band wipipedia requirements still? I have a band entry that I took some time to find references for. While some references are from online magazines - but general ones like metal.com etc... - I keep getting the rejection reason: not sure if it qualifies for WP:BAND

Band has a ton of requirements but says "one of the following" should be sufficient.

This band "Seven Spires" has two studio albums on Frontiers Music and I linked to the band and both albums on that label's site.

The label currently manages a lot of artists that I would think qualify as well known enough to qualify this record label as major enough. They have Def Leppard among other acts and I showed the links to the reviewers.

Reviewers are not calling out any particular references as lacking credibility.

Some of the references are of course from the creative work of the band itself, but these are not the ones that I'm trying to use to substantiate that the article should exists, just ones that a user can use for convenience if they're interested in looking at the band's work. I don't think this is entirely an uncommon practice either as long as it's not the reference meant to substantiate the existence of the article. Dullb0yj4ck (talk) 08:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Seven Spires Jolly1253 (talk) 09:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Dullb0yj4ck: Arguing over whether or not Frontiers Music is a "major label" for WP:BAND #5 is in my opinion not very productive, because even if it is, a reviewer could always argue that you need WP:GNG-compliant sources anyway (else it would be hard to write an independent, encyclopedic article).

A better try might be to provide GNG-compliant sources. Right now, the draft contains this and that album reviews that probably qualify. (This is an interview hence not independent, and that contains fairly little content about Seven Spires so it’s not in-depth.) If you can find a third source of the same or superior quality, that would probably put any concerns to rest.

Furthermore, you should make sure that the article accurately reflects the sources it is based upon. the band's albums have received strong reviews in particular for their vocal performances is a very partial reading of that review - it contains some negative content, as well. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I was indeed surprised also that the top Google results were all in Germany until I realized that I'm browsing here - I vpn to US on default most of the time. Searching for "Seven Spires Reviews" actually turns up so many results - all of them seem positive - that I don't quite understand why we don't just link that =) At any rate, I did add some references and the most recent reviewer answered that they agree that this particular band meets criterion 5 and the references overall are substantial now. Dullb0yj4ck (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Citations

Can i use the same citations of another language? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@thehistorianisaac: you can use sources not in english as long as they are reliable. → lettherebedarklight → 晚安 → おやすみ → 10:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thehistorianisaac, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is not very clear: what do you mean by "The same sources"? As darklight says, you may use reliable non-English sources; but (as WP:NONENG says) you should use English sources if they are available. I can see no reason to use both an English and a non-English version of the same source (if that's what you mean by "the same"). ColinFine (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Contest for deletion

Who may I send my article to to proofread so it doesn't go up for deletion? Feyisara99 (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rasheed Sarumi - It is currently up for speedy deletion under G11. Jolly1253 (talk) 10:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC) (Original article was deleted, draft was created later on) Jolly1253 (talk) 10:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

For clarification, the draft Draft:Rasheed Sarumi had been created before the article Rasheed Sarumi, but the latter has been deleted and the draft remains. To add further to the confusion, there is also a user sandbox draft at User:Feyisara99/sandbox/Rasheed. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

It does not need proofreading, and lack of proofreading is not a criterion for deletion. What it urgently needs is reliable sourcing with inline citations and removal of all the WP:PEACOCKing. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Feyisara99 The article has now been deleted. If you are going to work on fixing the errors brought up previously, you can check out WP:REFUND or recreate it. Articles require full sources that are reliable, independent and in depth. The article must also be written from the neutral point of view. This is core to Wikipedia articles as we don't want to be a platform for promotion. If these conditions are met, you may resubmit the article. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 10:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC).

I need to build consensus about multiple page move with >100 pages renamed, where do I do that?

The way current cricket tour pages are named are something like
[ visiting country ] cricket team in [ host country ] [ year ]
which is not the way cricket community, or rather any entity refers to cricket tours. The correct way is
[ visiting country ] tour of [ host country ] [ year ]
With 10s of pages named in this undesirable way every year, possibly >100 pages would need to be renamed. What is the correct place to build consensus about this. An RfC? Somewhere else? >>> Extorc.talk 14:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Examples of pages effected can be seen at Catagory of International cricket tours

• Afghan cricket team in Ireland in 2022
• Australian cricket team in Sri Lanka in 2022
• Bangladeshi cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2022

List continues >>> Extorc.talk 14:09, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Within the cricket community the wording you suggest might be reasonable, but in the wider world we need to be unambiguous, hence the inclusion of the words "cricket team". Your proposal would therefore be unlikely to be successful. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph But here, should COMMONNAME be taken into account how literally sites like cricbuzz, espn cricinfo and even the official ICC website use the exact same naming convention. Shouldnt cricket be the primary topic with this naming convention? >>> Extorc.talk 14:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph, Anyway, I'd like to try. >>> Extorc.talk 14:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Extorc, you seem sure about "the way cricket community, or rather any entity refers to cricket tours". Wikipedia is an entity, so we already have one exception. As for the "cricket community", if some cricket organization or magazine writes or speaks of "Belize tour of Sri Lanka 2017", nobody will think that it might be talking about a hockey team or symphony orchestra of Belize; and therefore its specifying "cricket" would hardly be more helpful than its specifying "AD" for "2017". But Wikipedia is outside the "cricket community". Nobody here can stop you from trying to effect a change towards ambiguity and confusion, but perhaps nobody here will help you either. After all, your attempt would obviously be doomed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Hoary. If I saw an article titled "Afghan tour of Ireland 2022", my first thought would be that it was about a musical group named "Afghan". If I had 100 guesses, there's no way I would guess that it was about cricket. I would advise you don't waste other editor's time with this proposal which will certainly fail, and would degrade the usefulness of the encyclopedia if it somehow did manage to succeed. CodeTalker (talk) 02:34, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to add more than one color in a row of a list?

Hi! I was trying to add these two colors (#E59866 and #aed6f1) to the list related to the latest episode of this show, since on its official youtube account two performances are listed as both 4k and exclusive stages. I tried to add both, but only the first one appears, what can I do? Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

P.S: I don't know why my previous edit got partially hidden from the page history, along with other edits Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bloomingbyungchan, don't worry about it - someone else posted something which had to be removed, and when that happens, all revisions in-between have to be removed as well. You did nothing wrong. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Request for Update to Pebble Beach Resorts Page

Hello. Is there someone who can update the Pebble Beach Resorts page? They have added new features (noted on their website) including Fairway One accommodations, Casa Palmero renovation, Sloat (a new accommodations building) and The Hay, a redesigned golf course. I am connected to the resort and, therefore, am unable to take this on. The website is pebblebeach.com. Thank you. Mgendronaugustyn (talk) 14:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The place for a request is on the article's talk page, but you'll need to include references to reliable sources independent of the subject. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Mgendronaugustyn (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

User:123FM

Hello! How are shutdown (closed) my old account User:123FM? СтасС (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @СтасС, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to "shut down" an old account; you can put a note on the old user page saying that it's no longer in use, and add a link to your new account, if you wish. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I need to talk with wiki-admins or moderators. СтасС (talk) 16:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

How are closed my old account User:123FM?--СтасС (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@СтасС, administrators can block accounts (there are no moderators here) - is that what you're asking to be done? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35, yes, it is.--СтасС (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@СтасС, I don't think an administrator will do that for you, since (even if you could prove that it is indeed your old account) that is not one of the purposes of blocks. But perhaps an admin will come along to weigh in on the subject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@СтасС:Actually, there are admins that will do that, see Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to consider placing self-requested blocks. But you can also have your old userpage redirect your new userpage. - wolf 18:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@wolf, 199.208.172.35 (talk), OK, thank you everyone!--СтасС (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Trying to resubmit a draft

I now have references. Rifken (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

you have moved your draft to The Still Life (2007 film). This is permitted, but unwise unless you are very sure that the draft is good enough for main space. Yours is not, so I expect that somebody will shortly bounce it back to draft space. ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I say it is not good enough for main space because the referencing is a mess. Please read WP:REFB and WP:RS. Some of the later refernces might be valuable if they were formatted properly, but the first four are red flags saying to a reviewer "This was written by somebody who does not understand Wikipedia referencing". ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Building up a section

Hello, I am building up the publications section on this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_%26_Partners

For better understanding, I am trying to highlight the reports and index like it has been done here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwatch

Right now, the Publication section on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_%26_Partners has a brief description of only one report - Investment Migration Programs Health Risk Assessment Report. There are other reports, but only the names are mentioned. I feel adding one line brief outline of the other reports will help the readers. Also, subsections will organize it.

Could you please tell me if this will be a good way to improve the publication section?

=== Africa Wealth Report ===
The Africa Wealth Report is an annual report which lists private wealth in the African continent. The 2022 report was released by the company in collaboration with New World Wealth.<ref name="africa report detail">{{cite news |last1=Rahhali |first1=Lamine |title=Morocco 1 of 5 Countries with More than 50% of Africa’s Private Wealth |url=https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2022/04/348605/morocco-1-of-5-countries-with-more-than-50-of-africas-private-wealth |access-date=15 September 2022 |work=[[Morocco World News]] |language=en |quote=The Africa Wealth Report is a yearly report that lists private wealth in the continent.}}</ref><ref name="africa wealth report">{{cite news |last1=Benson |first1=Emmanuel Abara |title=10 African countries with the highest number of dollar millionaires, according to latest ranking |url=https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/markets/10-african-countries-with-the-highest-number-of-dollar-millionaires-according-to/ntd6by1 |access-date=7 September 2022 |work=[[Business Insider]] Africa |date=27 April 2022 |language=en}}</ref>

=== Henley Passport Index ===
{{main|Henley Passport Index}}
The Henley Passport Index is an annual ranking of countries for the 199 passports in the world based on how many travel destinations are accessible to the passport holders without a prior visa.<ref name="index 199">{{cite news |last1=Report |first1=Dawn |title=Pakistani passport remains ‘fourth-worst in world’ |url=https://www.dawn.com/news/1700802 |work=[[Dawn (newspaper)]] |date=21 July 2022 |language=en |quote=The Henley Passport Index is a ranking of all the world’s 199 passports according to the number of destinations their holders can access without a prior visa}}</ref><ref name="about index">{{cite news |last1=McDonagh |first1=Shannon |title=These are the world's most powerful passports in 2022 |url=https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/01/31/this-country-will-have-the-most-valuable-passport-in-our-post-pandemic-world |access-date=15 September 2022 |work=[[Euronews]] |date=31 January 2022 |language=en}}</ref>

=== Investment Migration Climate Resilience Index ===
The Investment Migration Climate Resilience Index by the company assesses a country's climate resilience and ranks climate resilient locations for migration. It is in collaboration with Deep Knowledge Analytics and the 2022 report evaluated 180 countries based on five parameters of 900 data points.<ref name="parameters migration climate">{{cite news |last1=Chadha |first1=Sunainaa |title=Best investment migration options to improve climate resilience |url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/best-investment-migration-options-to-improve-climate-resilience-india-ranks-35-us-ranks-1-followed-by-germany-and-uk/articleshow/91631246.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_camp |access-date=29 September 2022 |work=[[The Times of India]] |language=en |quote=The study comprises over 900 different data points within 5 parameters}}</ref>

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ANLgrad (talk) 17:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@ANLgrad That article has 33 page wathcers currently, which is not a huge number but enough that the proposal would be better made on its Talk Page, or you could just be WP:BOLD and make the change. If you find that others object, discuss it with them on Talk:Henley & Partners. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for helping out. Last time I had posted on the talk page, I didn't get much response from the page watchers as I don't think they are very active. So, I thought I would get to reach out to a wider set of people here on Teahouse, who can tell me if this is a good improvement. ANLgrad (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@ANLgrad: If you do post something like the above once again on the article's talk page or on some other talk, I don't suggest you format it like you would in the article itself because that formatting could create formatting problems or other issues on the page where you post it. Sometimes using the syntax WP:PRE or WP:NOWIKI is sufficient to allow others to assess the proposed content without the formatting of the content being enabled. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Deleting Sourced Material

There was an anti-semitic incident at Cranbrook School, Sydney. It made the news and I added it to the page. Wik-ed100 has removed my sourced edits a number of times - without any explanation. I added something to the talk page - nothing. I don't want to get into an editing war, but how do I deal with an editor who is basically initiating one. He doesn't discuss why he's removing the sourced material. Sure he doesn't have to like the content on the page, but there are processes involved. There's no justification for just deleting it - over and over and over again. MaskedSinger (talk) 19:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

You have already asked this on the Help Desk, and had a response there. Please don't ask the same question in more than one place, it can waste hosts' time. Maproom (talk) 21:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Downloading all of these articles as PDF

Is it very possible to download all of these articles as PDF? Does it happen on all of these content pages?

If so or not, would you like to give me reasons why I should download all articles as PDF? -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

You can download any page as a pdf file using the link located in the menubar at the left. Ruslik_Zero 20:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

What about all of these articles? -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 20:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Which articles? The English Wikipedia includes 6,578,609 articles and it averages 563 new articles per day. It would not be practical to download them all. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Fix error on page

Hi, on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_University_of_Idaho_killings there is an error.

The Latah County Coroner did not do the autopsies. The bodies were sent to Spokane County, where the autopsies were conducted. The Latah County Coroner reported on the findings. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/nov/17/medical-examiner-completes-autopsies-of-four-slain/

Could this information be updated? Thank you. 134.39.169.218 (talk) 20:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The best place to make this request is the talk page of the article. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

No cussing/cursing rule?

Is there a rule against any and all forms of cussing/cursing/swearing when it comes to talk pages and editors and discourse etc.? I am aware of the whole WP:CIVIL thing, but I have seen some editors before swear/cuss/curse (whatever you want to call it) in the past without punishment or recourse, and I was just curious if that is normal or just allowed as long as one isn't attacking another editor (like just venting about something) etc.? TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

There has never been any general rule about cursing. Ruslik_Zero 20:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

People are allowed to swear, especially if they're venting or emphasising, as long as they're otherwise civil, not attacking other editors, etc. Besides, legislating morality in this fashion just plain doesn't fucking work - people are going to vent one way or another, and it's counterproductive to tone police them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Meta Page Help

I Added a new tab called Article list to the Template:Code for Africa Climate Change Project but this does not show on the view page, I would be grateful if I get assistance. Thank you. Jwale2 (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2, the best place to ask questions about meta is on meta - they have a forum here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Jwale2 (talk) 02:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

HELP!! How can I get Monroe Veach from Trenton, MO (1896-1986) added to Wikipedia?? On Famous Veaches / On Well Known Missourians / On Western Saddle (under Premiere Saddle Makers). See: https://shoptalk-magazine.com/2019/11/18/monroe-veach-a-ten-dollar-horse-and-a-forty-dollar-saddle/ I have plenty of stories, articles and pictures. He was a Trick Roper, Cowboy, Saddle Maker, and there were 4 VEACH Saddlery places: Trenton, MO (still going at 103 years!), Tulsa, OK, Branson, MO & Colcord, OK. Lonny M. Veach, 77, Grandson Lonnyveach (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lonnyveach: If you are his grandson or related to him, there is a conflict-of-interest to your creating or editing a page for Monroe Veach. You can submit an edit request or reach out to some people in WikiProject Missouri or other relevant areas but you cannot "get" an article on a topic added to Wikipedia simply by wanting it or claiming its topic is notable. That's just not how it works and those claims need to be evaluated and supported by independent third parties. Kazamzam (talk) 23:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Editing etiquette: How long to leave a discussion open before going ahead with an edit when edits have previously been controversial?

Hi, I'm relatively new and went a bit overboard with my edits to a page which has serious POV issues, however my edits were poorly thought-through, overly editorialised, and just as POV as the article itself. As such they were understandably reverted. Following feedback I've gone for a more relaxed, incremental approach. I proposed a new edit that's limited to one paragraph, more neutral and better-sourced. I was just wondering how long it is customary to leave such a proposal up on the talk page for comment before implementing it, assuming no objections obviously. The article is Firehose of falsehood and the proposed edit discussion is at Talk:Firehose of falsehood#Specific Edit Proposal for Lead Paragraph. Thanks! ShabbyHoose (talk) 22:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse @ShabbyHoose! I would leave it for about a week. It might be worth leaving notes on the relevant WikiProject talk pages if it's a larger edit (which in this case looks like WikiProject Russia, WikiProject Media and WikiProject Politics), but it's up to you. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC).

Thank you @EchidnaLives! Appreciate it :) ShabbyHoose (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The urge of overhauling

Hi all! I have been staring at the 21st century in literature page for the last ten minutes to better drive myself up a wall. I think the page does not need to exist, or at least exist in its current format of listing Nobel Prize winners and a seemingly random selection of almost entirely Western books, particularly when a [year] in literature page exists for every single year covered in this article. By contrast, 21st century in poetry is just a gathering of said links (already gathered in a template box but okay) and does not have any mentions of specific poetic works.

I'm torn between a WP:BOLD prod nomination (sorry inclusionists) or revising it to be more like the poetry page, or neither! Any suggestions and help would be appreciated, I just know I don't want to leave it as it is! Kazamzam (talk) 23:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Whoa. This page hurts to look at. Is it a disambiguation, or an article, or a list? I would go with AfD, as that could get some eyes on it and it could end up being improved, but a PROD would probably be fine. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:42, 22 November 2022 (UTC).

How can we do redirects--so that M.D. Coverley also shows up when you search for Marjorie Luesebrink, etc.

Hi I want to make sure that people can find writers, even if they have used a pen name (Mark Twain should also return results for Samuel Clemens, etc.) Is there a way to do that?Marjorie Luesebrink LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Samuel Clemens does redirect to Mark Twain, and M.D. Coverley does redirect to Marjorie Luesebrink. What was your question? - David Biddulph (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, if you're wondering how (for example) "Samuel Clemens" can be got to redirect to "Mark Twain", then see this. For more on how, when, why, etc, then Wikipedia:Redirect. -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

probable copyrighted image use, but allowed under fair-use

Hello,

I recently created the article Me and My Dysphoria Monster without a cover image, and I just noticed that a user recently added a cover image to the page. I followed the link the Commons location of the image, and saw that it was uploaded under CC BY-SA 4.0. I'm certain the image is copyrighted!

Since the image is a low-quality, however, I think it is still fair-use, but I don't know how to update the license on commons / which to use etc. to indicate this.

I have to catch a plane soon so unfortunately I don't have time to look up what to do, hence why I'm making a post here.

Could someone please make the appropriate license adjustments? (And maybe send a friendly-ish message to the user who uploaded the image that they cannot simply upload images of other people's artwork as CC BY-SA 4.0 to Commons!)

Thanks, Neuroxic (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Neuroxic. This is a problem that cannot be fixed on Wikimedia Commons because that project does not accept copyrighted fair use images. The image can probably be uploaded here on English Wikipedia if it fully complies with the Non-free images policy. I will remove the image until it is uploaded properly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Issue with sources or not. You can see it from the texts. I don't know whether it is proper to address this here but okay i will.

SCP – Containment Breach: Revision history - Wikipedia / Or just search scp containment breach and look at view history.

This is because on sources. "Another enemy faction to the Foundation that causes these breaches is a group only known as the Chaos Insurgency (a faction made up of rouge members of a taskforce known as the Red Right Hand." The original was staff/personnel, but I replaced it with members of a taskforce known as the Red Right Hand which there is evidence on scp wiki dot. This person says that I needed a source for that, but I don't recall there being one for the staff/personnel. Even if I could I do not know how. can somebody help PugAngel 11 (talk) 04:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)