Talk:Spanish language

Numerals

Numerals seem to be missing — Preceding unsigned comment added by PastafarianMonk (talk • contribs) 16:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

The numerals are part of the page for Spanish orthography, which focuses on how the language is written. Ravenclawjedi42 (talk) 16:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Spanish language map of the world

In the map of the world, the color codes are incorrectly assigned as to where Spanish is spoken. 88.159.135.169 (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Fixed Erinius (talk) 12:34, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

IPA transcriptions in the infobox

@Barefoot through the chollas: The IPA you insist on including seems to be at odds with our IPA guide for Spanish. At no point does it encourage editors to retranscribe words that feature ⟨ʎ⟩ with ⟨ʝ⟩. Furthermore, your latest edit summary is false in that Castellano is not one of "terms that are more relevant to regions that have undergone yeísmo".

I'm writing here so that more editors see this. There is an active discussion on Help talk:IPA/Spanish#Yeísmo that is the most appropriate place to discuss that, per MOS:PRON (to quote it, Other languages have dedicated IPA-xx templates, where xx is the 2-letter ISO 639-1 code or the 3-letter ISO 639-3 code for the language in question, as in {{IPA-el}} for Greek or {{IPA-fa}} for Persian. (...) These languages and templates are listed at {{IPA}}. Again, if the language you're transcribing has such an IPA key, use the conventions of that key. If you wish to change those conventions, bring it up for discussion on the key's talk page. Creating transcriptions unsupported by the key or changing the key so that it no longer conforms to existing transcriptions will confuse readers.). Sol505000 (talk) 11:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Yesterday I posted here an attempt to engage in reasoned civil discourse with you re your repeated deletion of and quarreling about basic information in the Spanish language infobox. You removed that posting, and I'll not attempt to repeat it. The essence of the issue is that someone, not me, had offered in IPA the two major standard phonetic versions of castellano in the infobox, and you deleted one, with the explanation "IPA spam." Since it obviously wasn't "IPA spam", but someone's reasoned (presumably) attempt to supply helpful information to readers (i.e. the purpose of an encyclopedia), and in light of your record of "contribs" and reprimands on your talk page, I reverted your deletion, explaining briefly, perhaps too curtly, why. That could, and I maintain with the minimum application of calm good judgement should, have been the end of the issue. Instead, it has by now degenerated to being down the rabbit hole of chasing ISO codes and IPA keys for Greek and Persian, entirely irrelevant to the original point: the simple straightforward presence of one piece of information that not all readers are guaranteed to know. I don't really have anything more to add. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

You removed that posting, and I'll not attempt to repeat it. No, I have not. I moved it back where I originally posted the thread. What's more, I wasted 30 minutes replying to what you wrote (which, I imagine, cannot be done without reading what you're replying to, no? So what do you need to repeat?) only to get ignored in return (there's you being "reasoned" and "civil") - just because I moved the discussion back where it belonged after you moved it without my permission (I was the original poster) and against MOS:PRON, which states that issues like that need to be resolved on Help talk:IPA/Spanish, not here or any other single article.

Instead, it has by now degenerated to being down the rabbit hole of chasing ISO codes and IPA keys for Greek and Persian, entirely irrelevant to the original point. Wow. You never stop, do you?

The place to discuss the issue is Help talk:IPA/Spanish#Yeísmo as there is already an active discussion there. Sol505000 (talk) 14:18, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

etymology of Castilian

The article suggests this is to do with castles. Has it really nothing to do with Castile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:59C5:6700:11C0:A4FC:EC2E:2C9C (talk) 09:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

You're right, I'll edit it. --Jotamar (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Restoration of the first paragraph

I will restore the introductory paragraph with the content that had been there since long ago, as I don’t consider the change made on December 8 by Uanfala to be positive.

Here are some of the reasons why:

• It’s appropriate for the introductory paragraph to state the language's place of origin, rather than simply saying that it "is a Romance language". We only have to look at articles of other major languages, such as French or English, to see that this is usual.
• Before the change, there was a line of text (“Spanish is the official language of 20 countries.”) that provided information about the number of countries in which the Spanish language has official status. However, after the change, it is located at the beginning of a larger line of text, suggesting that only in those 20 countries the Spanish language is spoken or has official status. However, in territories such as Puerto Rico Spanish is the majority language, has official status, and is spoken by native speakers.
• And finally, in the first line it reads "spoken by half a billion people". This is confusing and inaccurate. "Spoken"? natively? Or overall? If it means native speakers the number is less than 500 million, and if it means overall speakers (which is what can be understood if nothing is specified), the number is 592 million, which is a considerable difference from "half a billion".

It may be necessary to discuss possible changes to improve the article, but I think it's appropriate to restore the content of the introductory paragraph, since it has not improved the article at all, and it's more inaccurate than before. Later, we could change the phrase "with more than 500 million native speakers" to "with up to 500 million native speakers", or change the last sentence of the paragraph about the native speaking population of Mexico as Uanfala had done (which I thought was correct), but we can discuss that afterwards. AnneDant87 (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

"Native to"

Since there's a small disagreement about whether or not the US should be included in the "native to" section of the infobox, I thought I'd give my thoughts. First, I think it's inappropriate to place "United States" as a whole alongside "Hispanic America" and Spain. Secondly, there are varieties of Spanish native to the US, albeit they're all endangered at best and are in regions which were once part of Spain's American colonies (ie, Hispanic America). It would be inaccurate not to mention Spanish being native to parts of the US. Maybe the infobox could say "parts of the US" (and maybe also "much of Belize"?), but I think it would be better for this article to just not have a "native to" tag in its infobox (like English language), or for the "native to" tag to include a link to Hispanophone, like what French language and Chinese language do. Erinius (talk) 00:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami @Jotamar: thoughts? Erinius (talk) 00:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Something like 'see Hispanophones' would be fine by me. I only added the US because it is excluded from Hispanic America according to our article. — kwami (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Spanish language map of the world mistake

In the map of the world, the color codes are incorrectly assigned as to where Spanish is spoken since they mention Peru, Bolivia an Paraguay speak the language as an "Coofficial language" which is incorrect. I am from Peru, and I know the Article 48 of the Political Constitution of Peru states: The official languages are Spanish and, in areas where they predominate, Quechua, Aymara and other aboriginal languages, according to the law. Map is not correct, and this is not the fisrt time someone reports this mistake. I tried to make the edition but there is another user which for some reason disagrees, despite it is a fact, Spanish is official in those South American countries. LordEdurod97 (talk) 03:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)