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May 5
Mzee jomo kenyatta son
he was the son of mzee jomo kenyatta from his first wife grace wahu Ben muya (talk) 04:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- OK. What do you expect volunteers here at the Help Desk to do with that information?
- If you want to suggest a change to a Wikipedia article, please do so on the WP:talk page of the article - preferably with a citation of a reliable source for the information. Information that you know (or that I know) is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article without a source. ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
How to change the preview of Lusitania
When you hover over the link of "Lusitania" in the Background section of the page Titanic, the only thing it shows is the picture and "it was made in 1569". How do I change this? Kzhangak (talk) 04:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Kzhangak: this was caused by vandalism in the RMS Lusitania article that has been reverted. -Arch dude (talk) 05:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Arch dude
- But it is still there for me. Is it just on my end? Kzhangak (talk) 05:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems OK just now. Have you tried refreshing the page? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Kzhangak: mw:Page Previews uses caching and sometimes shows an old version. I saw it too. A purge fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you! It worked! Kzhangak (talk) 04:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Kzhangak: mw:Page Previews uses caching and sometimes shows an old version. I saw it too. A purge fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems OK just now. Have you tried refreshing the page? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Possible incorrect licensing on a commons image
How do I challenge the licensing on an image held on commons? I recently reverted the addition of this image file:Office_women_in_pencil_skirt.png here, as I'm pretty sure it's not the author's own work (and in fact there's a whole boat load of uploads I think are not theirs), but I don't recall the process to challenge. Chaheel Riens (talk) 05:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- You need to bring up Commons issues at Commons. See C:Help:Contents for guidance as to where to raise this. Mjroots (talk) 09:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: Their upload File:Prostitute seducing with her client.jpg is a definte copyright infringment. I found the Shutterstock original and have nominated that for deletion. Checking the image that you spotted, reverse image search points to it being from a porn video. Look at my talk page on Commons, someone left me a note on the quick way to tag stuff that needs the Commons version of Speedy, follow the link in their note.- X201 (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: Just an update. User blocked as sock by Commons admin. All images deleted. Well spotted. - X201 (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: Their upload File:Prostitute seducing with her client.jpg is a definte copyright infringment. I found the Shutterstock original and have nominated that for deletion. Checking the image that you spotted, reverse image search points to it being from a porn video. Look at my talk page on Commons, someone left me a note on the quick way to tag stuff that needs the Commons version of Speedy, follow the link in their note.- X201 (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Carla "KC" Hanson article
A page was created about me several years ago, Carla "KC" Hanson, and I discovered it by accident. I did not create it not authorize it, but did not mind. It was mostly factual, but had one error. That's when I signed up for Wiki editing, and I fixed the error. The page has now been removed, which is disappointing since the fact of my existence has not changed. This begs several questions. 1. Can I see the removed page in any archive? 2. Who has the authority to completely remove pages? 3. May I know who both posted my page and who removed it? KCinPDX (talk) 05:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- An article titled Carla Hanson was deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carla Hanson. (1) Yes, you can see it here. (2) An "administrator", if an "AfD" ("Articles for Deletion" process) has determined that it should be removed. (3) It was created by PortlandSaint, edited by various others (including not once but twice by you, in both June and December of 2020), nominated for deletion by Bedivere, and deleted by Liz. -- Hoary (talk) 08:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC) PS Perhaps I should have pinged KCinPDX. Well then, belatedly pinging KCinPDX. -- Hoary (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Hoary Your "ping" is a red link to her non-existent userpage. Does that really ping? 🙂 David10244 (talk) 05:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- David10244, I believe so, -- Hoary (talk) 05:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Hoary Your "ping" is a red link to her non-existent userpage. Does that really ping? 🙂 David10244 (talk) 05:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @KCinPDX One point: it's not necessary that you "authorize" an article about yourself. I'm sure the current Pope didn't authorize the article that's about him.
- As the linked deletion discussion implies, a subject needs to be notable, meeting certain notability guidelines, for an article to survive. Existence is not enough, or else we could have an article on each person who is alive or has ever lived. David10244 (talk) 05:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I posted my questions before I found the section on "notability". After I read that, I was even more curious as to why a page on me was posted in the first place. And just now checking out the notes on "Portland Saint," the original author, I am scratching my head as to why someone with opposite political views would create a Wiki Bio on me. I am guessing those errors in his "bio" of me may have been intentional. 2601:1C2:980:3C10:E984:7D10:5191:8B2A (talk) 07:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia editors are not limited to creating articles about topics that they "like". Any editor can create any article that they want, but repeatedly creating poor quality articles can lead to sanctions including blocks. Since the article in question was deleted 2-1/2 months ago, I do not see the point in discussing factual inaccuracies. It is gone, after all. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- KCinPDX, administrators are the only group of Wikipedia editors who have the power to delete articles, and I am one of about 450 active administrators. We need to follow policy, though, and this deletion was the result of a community discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- To be clear, I am not arguing for my "bio;" I am fine with the policy, and I am glad I understand it better. Frankly, I have just kept an occasional eye on my bio since the original had the errors I've noted. However, I would caution any of the administrators to not be overly blasé that an error is moot because a post is deleted. "Portland Saint" took the time to create a page on me which had an error that was significant, describing me as affiliated with a well-known ANTI-LGBT group in the 90's when I was and am a LGBT activist. Yes, my page is moot, but, for whatever reason, he created a false bio of me, there is a strong possibility and even likelihood that more of the "Saint's" posts/pages contain factual errors and even disinformation, and I am guessing that there is a Wiki rule that applies to posting inaccurate information. 2601:1C2:980:3C10:DD41:9B8E:B4CF:3492 (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Remember to log in to your account, so your posts are properly attributed to you. There is a rule that articles about living people must be well sourced and accurate, it is called the Biographies of Living Persons policy. You are free to examine any articles that you wish and their sources to determine accuracy, and if you find inaccurate statements or poorly sourced statements, discuss the removal of that content on the article talk page or even remove it yourself. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- To be clear, I am not arguing for my "bio;" I am fine with the policy, and I am glad I understand it better. Frankly, I have just kept an occasional eye on my bio since the original had the errors I've noted. However, I would caution any of the administrators to not be overly blasé that an error is moot because a post is deleted. "Portland Saint" took the time to create a page on me which had an error that was significant, describing me as affiliated with a well-known ANTI-LGBT group in the 90's when I was and am a LGBT activist. Yes, my page is moot, but, for whatever reason, he created a false bio of me, there is a strong possibility and even likelihood that more of the "Saint's" posts/pages contain factual errors and even disinformation, and I am guessing that there is a Wiki rule that applies to posting inaccurate information. 2601:1C2:980:3C10:DD41:9B8E:B4CF:3492 (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- KCinPDX, administrators are the only group of Wikipedia editors who have the power to delete articles, and I am one of about 450 active administrators. We need to follow policy, though, and this deletion was the result of a community discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia editors are not limited to creating articles about topics that they "like". Any editor can create any article that they want, but repeatedly creating poor quality articles can lead to sanctions including blocks. Since the article in question was deleted 2-1/2 months ago, I do not see the point in discussing factual inaccuracies. It is gone, after all. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I posted my questions before I found the section on "notability". After I read that, I was even more curious as to why a page on me was posted in the first place. And just now checking out the notes on "Portland Saint," the original author, I am scratching my head as to why someone with opposite political views would create a Wiki Bio on me. I am guessing those errors in his "bio" of me may have been intentional. 2601:1C2:980:3C10:E984:7D10:5191:8B2A (talk) 07:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- You misunderstand how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is crowdsourced by a huge number of self-selected volunteers editors with no hierarchy and no assigned tasks. There are no "administrators" in the sense you use the term: our administrators carry out functions like deletion after editors arrive at a consensus. We (including you) are all equally responsible for correcting errors. This chaotic process has resulted in what is arguably the best encyclopedia ever created by a very large margin. We have about 100,000 editors active in any given 30-day period, collectively making more than 10 edits per minute, every minute of the year. You are free to investigate "Portland Saint"'s edit history, and you have exactly the same rights and responsibilities to do so as any other editor. If you find a pattern of bad editing, come back here and we can help you with the next steps. -Arch dude (talk) 17:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Second order disambiguation
At present Wu Qing is a disambiguation page between
However...a second politician by that name has now emerged (a male born April 1965 obviously distinct from the female born November 1937 who is the last one listed above). He would seem destined to get an article as he's listed as an Alternate Member of the 20th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (currently executive vice mayor of Shanghai Municipality so number 2 to the mayor and around number 5 in the combined party/state leadership there...Bloomberg News has speculated that he will succeed Yi Huiman as head of the Securities Regulatory Commission and until 2018 he chaired the Shanghai Stock Exchange). The two politicians are of the same party and nationality so what does one call the article for him?
- male politician?
- Shanghai politician?
- politician born 1965? (the two Lu Haos would seem a precedent for this).
I realize the disambigs here are rather chaotic and coverage of namesakes can be spotty. Every president of the Ramakrishna Order has an article except for the first and longest serving of them all who despite being the "spiritual son" of Ramakrishna himself is shown on the Brahmananda disambig as a redlink with a link to a subhead on Disciples of Ramakrishna and I wonder if this is because there's no consensus on titling an article for him (redlink is "Swami Brahmananda" below two Brahmanand(a) Swamis). William Edgar "Bill" Oddie has an article but the writer/cleric/editor William Oddie [1][2] (1939-2019) doesn't even get a hatnote to distinguish them. And the Amadeus Quartet that disbanded on its first death in 1987 has an article with no mention made of the four Romanian women who have performed under that name since 2000[3][4] to distinguish them.
But...any clarity increase is an improvement? 108.29.145.226 (talk) 06:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC) 108.29.145.226 (talk) 06:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
References
- For footballers, the standard dab format is (footballer, born xxxx), e.g. Phil Jones (footballer, born 1961) and Phil Jones (footballer, born 1992). I don't see why this can't be extended to politicians. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Why is my account blocked?
Your username or IP address has been blocked.
The reason given is:
- There are multiple blocks against your account and/or IP address.
- Start of block: 06:14, 5 May 2023
- Expiration of longest block: 18:29, 22 April 2028
- Relevant block IDs: #453273, #3118678 (your IP address may also appear in a blocklist)
Your current IP address is 2001:67c:2628:647:4::2b4. Please include all above details in any queries you make.
email:(Redacted) Owosenibayo (talk) 06:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Owosenibayo doesn't seem to be blocked at the moment, could you give more detail?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- 2001:67c:2628:647:4::2b4/48 is globally blocked as an open proxy. Owosenibayo Your account doesn't appear to be blocked, but the underlying IP adress is. Please see meta:WikiProject on open proxies/Help:blocked. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Redirects
Where can I find both recent and old redirects? Is a log present? Dancing Dollar (let's talk) 08:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia contains several million redirects. As far as I am aware they are not logged separately from articles. Can you be more specific? Shantavira|feed me 08:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Special:WhatLinksHere example: Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Dancing_Dollar .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 12:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Select "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" on WhatLinksHere to see all current redirects to the page. There aren't any for User:Dancing Dollar. If you want to find former redirects then there is no general way. There are some ways to guess and examine page histories. If this is what you want then do you have a specific page in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Special:WhatLinksHere example: Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Dancing_Dollar .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 12:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Supergrass & Informant
Supergrass (informant) & Informant should be merged. What are the templates? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 12:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I see no reason to merge those articles, but you would first need to initiate a discussion on the article talk pages. The templates are Template:Merge and the similar ones listed on that page. Shantavira|feed me 14:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
i want to use one image from wikipedia article for publication in a scientific journal. How do i get permission from wikipedia for the same ?
i want to use one image from wikipedia article for publication in a scientific journal. How do i get permission from wikipedia for the same ? 2409:40F3:0:D3B0:70AB:4D18:2342:83C6 (talk) 13:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- We really need to know which image, giving you and accurate answer depends on it. - X201 (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Article feels weird
This article feels like a press release and has a lot of inline links to its own website. How do I ask for help to fix it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randolph-Macon_Academy Kurkulc (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I've tagged this one, but in future just add
{{Cleanup press release|article}}
to the top of the article. If it's a specific section, change article to section and place it in section in question. But the absolute best way is to dive in and clean it up yourself. - X201 (talk) 13:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Citation query
Hello. I had an edit paragraph removed by Aaron Liu as he said it lacked citation. I have some issues with how to cite this particular paragraph on Stewart Nozette PhD. On the talk page for Stewart I posted that I was adding this and that I had documents pertaining to his pardon but as I don't have a website I was aaking how I could make this available to cite what I had added. Also, although his literary agency - Gold Dust, out of Las Vegas - have signed him they have not updated their authors page with him as yet, so I could not cite that. It seems that the only issue with the innocuous paragraph is the lack of citation - given what I've said, is there anything I can do to make the edit allowable? I have not edited on Wiki before, so would appreciate feedback. I spoke to Stewart about this and he says the official pardon number is C277648 and that they are part of the Presidential Records ACT and can be obtained from the National Archives. Can this be cited? Can I submit the documents to Wiki somehow? Aaron was unable to answer this and directed me here. Thanks. SalzenD Salzend (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging @Aaron Liu: as a courtesy. In short biographies are held to a higher standard than anything else on Wikipedia. All major claims on Wikipedia need to have a citation, on biographies it's prerequisite; you need the reference, before you type the prose. Someone may be able to help regarding C277648 and National Archives so wait and see what develops. Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline. - X201 (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I was hoping someone at the help desk would be able to help with the archives Aaron Liu (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Salzend You won't need to submit any documents to Wikipedia, but you'll need to create "references" to published material that verifies the information, once those published references exist (or once you can locate them). And you'll put those references into the document, next to the information that the references support. See WP:REFB. David10244 (talk) 05:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- That's good. Thanks for the information, much appreciated. Salzend (talk) 09:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Adding an artist
I want to add an Artist to Wikipedia.
How do I do that? Csmilkov (talk) 14:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- It all depends on how notable the person is. It would also help considerably if you did not have a conflict of interest caused by being linked to the person in some way. See your first article for more help.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Csmilkov Wikipedia is not a mere database of artists, this is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, such as the definition of a notable musician or notable artist. If a person meets a notablity definition, there then must be significant coverage in independent reliable sources that can be summarized. If you have sources and the person is notable, you may create a draft via Articles for creation. Be advised that creating a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia. You are advised to first gain experience by editing existing articles first, and using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Title
Good morning. Could someone change the title to italics (if I'm not mistaken, titles should not be written in italics). JackkBrown (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- The title of which article? - X201 (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @X201: the page in question is "Tar (drum)". JackkBrown (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- MOS:FOREIGN applies.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I removed the italic title as tar can be found in the English language.[1] But it's up to consensus.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- But that's a word for a stringed instrument. Is there any evidence that this tar, a drum, has the same origin? Maproom (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Ianmacm: same here: "Saharat Thai Doem". JackkBrown (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- People have different interpretations of MOS:FOREIGN. Personally I don't think this needs italic titles either, but will wait to see what other users say.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Ianmacm: same here: "Saharat Thai Doem". JackkBrown (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to disagree. The guidance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Common usage in English recommends the use of English-language dictionaries which Britannica is not. If I go to Google and enter
define:tar
(link) I get a listing of several dictionary entries for 'tar': - Of these, only wiktionary has a definition that matches the definition of the en.wiki article (see §Etymology 4)
- If I go to Google translate and enter the Arabic: طار, it shows the transliteration as tar (link). I can't speak to the accuracy of the translations that it returns but the transliteration does suggest that the use of tar in the en.wiki article is not the common term usually understood by native English speakers as the black sticky stuff. I would therefore markup all instances of tar in the article as
{{transliteration|ar|tar}}
– perhaps even the title:{{DISPLAYTITLE:{{transliteration|ar|tar}}}}
. I don't know if the article should keep the Arabic script طار because unsourced and because the translations at Google translate don't fit – I did look in ar.wiki but there doesn't seem to be a matching drum article there (intitle
search results). Wiktionary's Etymology 4 does use طار but that use is unreferenced. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- But that's a word for a stringed instrument. Is there any evidence that this tar, a drum, has the same origin? Maproom (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I removed the italic title as tar can be found in the English language.[1] But it's up to consensus.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @X201: the page in question is "Tar (drum)". JackkBrown (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Translating French Wikipedia page into English
I am looking for information on the book Nos Enfants par Anatole France and found a page on FR.wikipedia but I was surprised to see there is no page on the American Wikipedia. Is there a way to get the page translated? 2600:8802:5300:69E9:256A:2B39:9ABA:61C5 (talk) 18:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- See the options described at this link. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- By the way: there is no such thing as "the American Wikipedia". This is the English (language) Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 21:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not going to criticise someone who thinks this is the American Wikipedia. Perhaps it was a bit of humour?Naraht (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction. I thought it was the American Wikipedia because I noticed there is a UK Wikipedia. 2600:8802:5300:69E9:AC52:58E0:4EF6:3A60 (talk) 13:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- If you are meaning uk.wikipedia.org, then that is the Ukrainian language Wikipedia. Here in England we tend to use the ... (wait for it) ... English language Wiki! We allow our transatlantic cousins to read it as well :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield Do you know where those codes came from? The two-letter ISO country code for Ukraine is "ua". If "uk" is the Internet domain suffix for Ukraine, I wonder why that was chosen for the Internet instead of the ISO code. David10244 (talk) 05:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @David10244: I think you are confusing country codes and language codes. See List of ISO 639-1 codes where Ukranian is listed as uk or ukr. The country code for Ukrane according to ISO 3166 is indeed ua or ukr. The ccTLD is .ua. So, uk.wikipedia.org is the Ukranian language Wikipedia whereas ua.wikipedia.org would be the Ukrainian country Wikipedia (which doesn't exist). HTH, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield Do you know where those codes came from? The two-letter ISO country code for Ukraine is "ua". If "uk" is the Internet domain suffix for Ukraine, I wonder why that was chosen for the Internet instead of the ISO code. David10244 (talk) 05:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- If you are meaning uk.wikipedia.org, then that is the Ukrainian language Wikipedia. Here in England we tend to use the ... (wait for it) ... English language Wiki! We allow our transatlantic cousins to read it as well :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Stripping personal info from reference URLs?
What is the term for the extra stuff in the URL that identifies things like how you looked for it and other information about you and what are some of the tools that help strip it off. I know I've seen edits to do that using some sort of at least semi-automated tool.Naraht (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's called tracking parameters. Wikipedia:Citing sources/Further considerations#Remove tracking parameters says to remove them but doesn't mention tools. I only know AutoWikiBrowser where you can make your own regular expressions. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
May 6
Person profile
Dear wikipedia editors, I would like to ask help to create an article about Pol Corpas Cuatrecasas TronPuzzle (talk) 02:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @TronPuzzle: The only absolute requirement for a Wikipedia article is that the subject be notable by our definition. See WP:NPERSON. If the subject is not notable, we will delete any attempt you make to create an article, wasting your time and ours. Really. See WP:AMOUNT. If you are fairly sure the person meets our notability requirements, proceed to WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 03:11, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- A casual search reveals that he is the 23-y-o manager, with 1 year in the post, of the Under-17 squad of Lusitano F.C. (Portugal), whose First team was in Portugal's third tier in 2017 (the article badly needs updating). If he were the manager of the Senior team, he would likely be Notable, but not on the strength of his career to date. In 10-year's time, maybe? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @TronPuzzle: See WP:TOOSOON. -Arch dude (talk) 14:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Couldn't Wikipedia find a more respectful image/photograph of our lovely person of colour who married into the British Royal family? Compared to Kate Megan's introductory picture is disgraceful!!
Megan Markle Wikipedia photo. Karaokejackie (talk) 12:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Here are other images to choose from at Wiki Commons of Meghan Markle: Meghan Markle. Just make sure they have cross usage. Also, if you can find either public domain or fair use images online (Flickr, etc) you are more than welcome to upload a more suitable image that you deem appropriate for the infobox. But it must comply with certain WP infobox image guidelines H:INFOP. Maineartists (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Karaokejackie: You can suggest a specific image at Talk:Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Merely asking for a "more respectful image/photograph" is not helpful. Our license requirements reduce the possibilities. File:Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex (2022).JPG was suggested at Talk:Meghan, Duchess of Sussex/Archive 12#Image update but didn't get consensus. I don't know who Kate Megan is. Maybe you mean Kate Middleton. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- OP missed a comma. Compared to Kate, Megan's introductory picture is disgraceful. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Maineartists, when you say Also, if you can find either public domain or fair use images online (Flickr, etc) you are more than welcome to upload a more suitable image that you deem appropriate for the infobox, I suppose that by "fair use images" you mean "conventionally ('all rights reserved') copyright images that can nevertheless be used in a particular article via a claim of 'fair use'". If so, note that Wikipedia:Non-free content says: Non-free content should not be used when a freely licensed file that serves the same purpose can reasonably be expected to be uploaded, as is the case for almost all portraits of living people. -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Maineartists What is "cross usage"? I don't think that is a Wikipedia term. All images at Commons are freely usable in any Wikipedia language project. Just to be clear, there aren't really "imagebox" guidelines, but there are image guidelines. David10244 (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I never said it was. When a file uploaded for one particular page but is used on other Wiki pages, that's what I call: cross usage; but then there are uploaded images that can only be used for the sole purpose of that page they are associated with and cannot be used on any other page. I've attempted to do this several times. An uploaded image of a BLP on a page that is not their own, but when I tried to use that image on their BLP page, it was not allowed. The image was only uploaded for use on that one single page. Maineartists (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Karaokejackie: You can suggest a specific image at Talk:Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Merely asking for a "more respectful image/photograph" is not helpful. Our license requirements reduce the possibilities. File:Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex (2022).JPG was suggested at Talk:Meghan, Duchess of Sussex/Archive 12#Image update but didn't get consensus. I don't know who Kate Megan is. Maybe you mean Kate Middleton. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not too surprisingly, this has come up before:
- One thing you can try if you like, is to contact her representatives and suggest they make a "better" picture available. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Can I copy and modify a table
Can I copy and modify a table of California Counties found on Wikipedia? Thank you. Billkerrey (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but you must then license the copyrighted table and the work it is in uder the CC-BY-SA, and you must attribute the table to Wikipedia. See WP:COPYING. -Arch dude (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
MOS:UPRIGHT
The policy MOS:UPRIGHT reads: "Except with very good reason, a fixed width in pixels (e.g. 17px) should not be specified. This ignores the user's base width setting, so upright=scaling factor is preferred whenever possible."
I would appreciate some clarification on this, though it seems very straightforward to me. In most cases I confront, a fixed width in pixels has correctly not been specified, and I have employed the upright scaling, exactly as the policy suggests, "whenever possible." I would welcome additional and objective input on this question: In what possible cases should upright be used? "Whenever possible" seems very clear. In what possible cases, if any, should it not be used?
Thanks for any enlightened insight on this question. Keystone18 (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Keystone18 I am not sure exactly what you are asking, but you know that 17 pixels on one device might be vastly different in size from 17 pixels on another device, right? David10244 (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Keystone18: I'm assuming this has to do with what was being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#Question. If it is, then your last post there seems to indicate the matter has been resolved. For future reference, it's generally not a good idea to keep trying to start concurrent discussions about the same thing on multiple pages. At the very least, it could cause confusion, fragmentation and redundancy, but it could also be seen by some as WP:FORUMSHOP. If you've already started a discussion about something on one page and want some additional input, then perhaps it's simply better to provide a link to that discussion (e.g. using Template:Please see) to let others know about it, then trying to start a "new" discusion somewhere else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
May 7
Turkish cuisine
The "Turkish cuisine" page needs a complete overhaul, it's full of all kinds of errors. 151.68.11.81 (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to learn of this, but not at all surprised. Many pages need complete overhauls. If you have reliable sources (which of course may be in Turkish) for Turkish cuisine, then fix the mistakes, or as many as your reliable sources and time and energy permit. Be sure to say which reliable source you're using for which correction. If this seems too complex, then instead make specific recommendations in Talk:Turkish cuisine. -- Hoary (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- There are 6.6 million English language Wikipedia articles and 8 billion humans on the planet. I think that it is safe to say that you are the human being on the planet most interested in improving this particular article at this time. So, go right ahead and get to work. Be sure to explain, with references to reliable sources, how Turkish cuisine differs from Levantine cuisine and Greek cuisine, and more broadly Mediterranean cuisine in general. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Hoary: and @Cullen328: I make the observation again: the page on Turkish cuisine is BADLY placed, not so much because of the text, but because of the USE OF ITALICS; italics are used badly (there are so many Turkish-only foods for which italics should be used; the problem is that I don't know which ones need italics and which do not). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.82.171.114 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I don't understand how you are both (i) certain that "italics are used badly", and (ii) unsure of "which [foods] need italics and which do not". If the problem is that you don't know which criteria to use in order to determine whether italicizing is desirable, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Foreign_terms and the other pages to which this points. If this is obscure, or if the problem is elsewhere, then feel free to ask here (within this thread). -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Hoary: and @Cullen328: I make the observation again: the page on Turkish cuisine is BADLY placed, not so much because of the text, but because of the USE OF ITALICS; italics are used badly (there are so many Turkish-only foods for which italics should be used; the problem is that I don't know which ones need italics and which do not). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.82.171.114 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- There are 6.6 million English language Wikipedia articles and 8 billion humans on the planet. I think that it is safe to say that you are the human being on the planet most interested in improving this particular article at this time. So, go right ahead and get to work. Be sure to explain, with references to reliable sources, how Turkish cuisine differs from Levantine cuisine and Greek cuisine, and more broadly Mediterranean cuisine in general. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
How to bookmark pages within Wiki account (logged in user)?
Is there a way to bookmark pages within my wiki account and not just on my web browser? Similar to the way that logged in wiki users have a Watchlist, except that is maintains lists of changes and I just want a simple Bookmark feature. Skræling (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Skræling: As far as I know the only platform that has something similar to what you're asking for is the mobile app's reading lists. You can also use your watchlist to keep track of pages you manually watch. The entire watchlist can be viewed by clicking on the "View and edit watchlist" link at the top of the watchlist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Skræling: you can also create a subpage of your user page (e.g., User:Skræling/bookmarks) and put links on it. -Arch dude (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Referencing errors on Cadillac CT5
Reference help requested.
Thanks, Information0007 (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC) hello, how do I add a citation
- Information0007, are you asking about https://patentcenter.uspto.gov/applications/29621189. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)? If so, you need to add title= 29/621,189 | DES000041-US-DP_D[9]: Vehicle Front Fascia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Redlinks
I've noticed recently that some wikilinks, such as this one Zucchini (disambiguation), now appear to me in red, even though they're to pages that exist. I've tried changing browser, I've tried changing changing skin, they're still red. Is this a known bug? Maproom (talk) 07:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, it's orange. Somewhere in your preferences (I've lost it ATM) there is a check box to show disambiguation links in orange. Shantavira|feed me 07:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". Zucchini (disambiguation) is orange for me. Zucchini (no such page) is red. They look quite different to me. The gadget code is:
a.mw-disambig { color: #f17600; }
- You can pick another color by disabling the gadget and adding similar code to your CSS. See Web colors for options. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Candi_CdeBaca article formatting error?
Hi, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_CdeBaca the infobox appears as text in the article, at least in my browser. Does not look right. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 11:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
"Plot" of this article
Could someone look at how 2_Hearts_(film) complies with WP:PLOT, if it does at all. Thank you. doktorb wordsdeeds 13:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's not particularly well-written (e.g. saying "the film" does this and that) and a bit too detailed for my taste, but otherwise seems okay. What issues are you having with it? (WP:Spoilers are fine.) Clarityfiend (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
ChatGPT
It's probably been asked already, but is it acceptable to add ChatGPT output to Wikipedia? Let's assume that the content is all stuff whose truth I would verify and that I would provide reliable sources for. Nevertheless, starting my edits with ChatGPT output could significantly accelerate the writing of material which in theory I could write myself, but would otherwise take a lot longer. Are there copyright issues with such output, or any other issues I can't think of? Ar2332 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- See WP:LLM for the developing policy on usage of large language models such as ChatGPT. Art the cirrent stage of LLM's, I do not believe using ChatGPT will be significantly faster than writing encyclopedic material the old fashioned way, because a large amount of the time gained by not having to write the material yourself will be spent fixing up the AI output. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- To amplify what Victor Schmidt mobil says above: be aware that ChatGTP often synthesises untrue (and even impossible) statements in amongst the correct ones it draws from the internet, and sometimes invents spurious 'references' to corroborate them. Double-checking all of its seemingly plausible output would likely be quite challenging. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Naming a article
What should I do if I want to make an article but the naming is difficult. I am wanting to make a article about an event that led to 6 students being hospitalized. At this time it is known a unknown smell caused the event. How should I name the article? Another event would be a fight between a Russian and Ukraine deploy at. How should I name articles if I don’t know how to name them? LuxembourgLover (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Frankly, I doubt that either event would meet Wikipedia:Notability requirements for an article. As for naming articles that do, see Wikipedia:Article titles. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think the school would meet it. It lead to 6 critically injured students being taken to the hospital and the school closes for two days. LuxembourgLover (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Remember, this is a global project. "There was a funny smell down at the high school; doctors looked at six kids and the school closed" is barely notable enough for local coverage, if your kid doesn't go there. There's no hint of an indication that this event is globally notable, unless the kids exposed start turning into lizard people or switching genders or develop superpowers or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- LuxembourgLover, the source you linked to does not say that the students were
critically injured
. Instead, it says that they are instable condition
. Accurately summarizing sources is an essential skill for Wikipedia editors. Cullen328 (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)- I have seen many sources for the event. I just grabbed that one for the question. LuxembourgLover (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- LuxembourgLover, the source you linked to does not say that the students were
- Remember, this is a global project. "There was a funny smell down at the high school; doctors looked at six kids and the school closed" is barely notable enough for local coverage, if your kid doesn't go there. There's no hint of an indication that this event is globally notable, unless the kids exposed start turning into lizard people or switching genders or develop superpowers or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think the school would meet it. It lead to 6 critically injured students being taken to the hospital and the school closes for two days. LuxembourgLover (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- If there's no well-known name for an incident, it usually means it's not notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Netflix
can you search old movies? Pedia115 (talk) 17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but I don't see how that is relevant here. Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? Shantavira|feed me 19:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
New Article Submitted
a journalists biography submitted Tarin7767 (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Why doesn't my page accept even after I submit the page with correct reference again and again? Tarin7767 (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- You need so provide independent sources demonstrating in-depth coverage, not citations to the individual's own website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Now see if everything is ok.? If correct please make public and if wrong please let me know Tarin7767 (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- There is literally NOTHING there that is not cited back to his own website. We don't care what he says about himself. We want to know what the world says about him. If there is no substantive coverage about him in the national and worldwide press, then we are forced to conclude that he's just another of the millions of journalists globally who are not notable enough to merit an article in a worldwide project. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- It is extremely unlikely although not impossible that a 20 year old journalist would be notable. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- There is literally NOTHING there that is not cited back to his own website. We don't care what he says about himself. We want to know what the world says about him. If there is no substantive coverage about him in the national and worldwide press, then we are forced to conclude that he's just another of the millions of journalists globally who are not notable enough to merit an article in a worldwide project. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Now see if everything is ok.? If correct please make public and if wrong please let me know Tarin7767 (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- You need so provide independent sources demonstrating in-depth coverage, not citations to the individual's own website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- This person is not notable for Wikipedia's purpose. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Tarin7767 has been blocked indefiniyely. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Partially expanded navbox?
Is there a way to force a navbox to display partially expanded?
My userpage includes {{Userspace linking templates}} navbox for quick reference. My preference is to partially expand the navbox to show the four subcategories headers, but not expand the subcategories.
Is there some trick to do this with WikiText? — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 19:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @BillHPike: I have added state parameters without changing the defaults.[2] You can now call with
|state=expanded |state1=collapsed
. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)- @PrimeHunter: This answer is so helpful that I felt the need to award a barnstar. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 20:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
I created a translation of a Wikipedia article as a draft & the draft does not have a way to submit it. How do I submit it?
I created a translation of a Wikipedia article as a draft & the draft does not have a way to submit it. How do I submit it?
The Draft is Draft:Jose Mariano Calderon de San Martin and it has no option to submit the draft.
It is a Translation of The Spanish article José_Mariano_Calderón. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have added a header that allows you to submit the draft for review when it is ready.
- However, it is not ready: Unreliable sources such as Wikipedia are not acceptable. This means that you have just one source (La Prensa Grafica: one dead link and one to the archived version). I was going to say that you can use the sources from es:Jose Mariano Calderon, but you already have. One source is not normally enough to establish notability in English Wikiepdia. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I am still working on the article & was just confused at why the header wasn't there. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- PaulGamerBoy360, why is this draft titled "Jose Mariano Calderon de San Martin", and not "José Mariano Calderón y San Martín"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Becoming "Notable"
I am creating a page for my deceased father who was a member of a popular singing group, as well as performing in several TV shows, movies and commercials. He's written two self-published books, but because they are self-published, I'm told they don't count. A lot of his work was done in the 70's -2000's. He has a IMDb. page with his later work, but the stuff from the 70's, I don't have proof of. I have several newspaper clippings but those newspapers are no longer in circulation. He is on Wikipedia with the other members of the band, but yet he's not "notable" and I don't know how to fix that. Alanastribling (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Alanastribling, IMDB is of no use. It doesn't matter at all that a newspaper no longer exists: the New York Herald Tribune, for example, can still be cited. Please choose the three best (most informative) among the newspaper articles, and for each of these three, here (in this thread), specify the author(s) (if named), the article title, the newspaper title, the date, and the page number(s). -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Alanastribling. First you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest: you are not forbidden to do so, but it makes it harder, because it is likely to be difficult for you to write neutrally, and you are also likely to put in information because you know it, rather than from the published sources.
- Sources do not have to be online, or still in circulation: it is enough that a reader could obtain them, eg from a major library. As long as your clippings have the name and date of the paper, and preferably a page number and an author's name, and as long as they were published by a reputable newspaper, they will be acceptable: see WP:REFB for how to cite them.
- You cannot make a subject notable: he either is or isn't, and that depends on whether those sources you have are adequate: that they were reliably published, they were independent of him (not based on interviews or press releases) and they contain significant coverage of him. ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Alanastribling, as a general principle, an autobiography is of no value in establishing the notability of its author, because it is not independent of that author. Cullen328 (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Citing personal correspondence
Hello,
So I've been a long-time editor of the article Fredric Hobbs. You'll note that the lede of this article says "his works are part of the permanent collections of the Museum of Modern Art (New York), the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, and the Fine Arts Museum of San Francisco." This quote cites one of Hobbs' obituaries, but I have otherwise been largely unable to verify this claim, as many of these museums don't have complete collection catalogs publicly available. The quote of the obituary is surely sufficient for the claim at the moment, but out of curiosity I reached out to one of the museums (the MOMA in NY) to confirm that Hobbs' work is indeed in their collection. I received the following email from the Film Studies department:
Apr 27, 2023, 12:06 PM
Dear User:mathmitch7,
We do have a 16mm acetate print of Trojan Horse. Robert Blaisdell and Ronald Bostwick are listed as Directors, with Fredric Hobbs cited as Artist. A note cites the source of information as the film credits themselves. As far as I can see, the film has never been exhibited.
I hope this information is helpful to you in your research. Please let me know if I can assist in anything else.
Best,
The Film Study Center
The Celeste Bartos International Film Study Center
Department of Film
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53 Street
New York, NY 10019
This appears to at least partially confirm the obituary's claim, and strengthens the article's notability. However, I have no idea how to cite the information that Hobbs' film is in the MOMA, especially because the Film Study Center's collection catalogue is not available to the public, as per their website. The only text I can cite for this fact, at this time, is this email. Is there any way I can cite this? Is this information even worth adding? Does anybody have thoughts? - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 23:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- mathmitch7, you say This quote cites one of Hobbs' obituaries, but I have otherwise been largely unable to verify this claim, as many of these museums don't have complete collection catalogs publicly available. The quote of the obituary is surely sufficient for the claim at the moment [...]. I disagree. If the obituary were printed in, say, the NYT, then I might agree; but the cited obituary is this, published via "everloved.com", unsigned, and in no way suggesting to me that it was written by an artist, filmmaker, art/film critic/historian, gallerist, curator, or whatever. (The other sources cited in the article also look more or less dubious.) And private communications can't be cited. -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
May 8
What infobox should I use?
I am going to add an infobox to Ubehebe Crater, but it is a volcanic crater, not an impact crater, meaning I probably shouldn't use {{Template:Infobox terrestrial impact site}}. DarkNight0917 (talk) 03:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Nearby craters, such as the Amboy Crater use Template:Infobox mountain. If you don't think that is suitable, then I suggest you omit any infobox. Shantavira|feed me 08:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Citation with unverifiable content
I recently came across an citation that claims its source was published by a certain faculty of a certain university, but without any other information at all. When I followed the link, I found it was a blog site written by a collection of writers with zero background on the writers, and zero publishing details for the website as a whole. In other words, the only thing we know about the website is its title, and the info contained in the citation appears to have been invented. What is the best way to deal with this type of citation? Should it be deleted, or if not what is the best maintenance template to add to it? Junglenut |Talk 05:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Junglenut, certain aspects of your description above permit two interpretations, so a conscientious response would have to be verbose. Therefore please point to the specific dud citation. -- Hoary (talk) 06:07, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Haha, sorry about that. The article in question is Polytrichum juniperinum, the citation is #7, the last in the list, which simply states "Thunder Bay, ON, Lakehead University, Faculty of forestry and the forest environment (Producer)", i.e. there is no author name, no publication details. Going to the external link in the citation, we find a page with a small amount of information on the WP article's topic, but there is nothing to say that this is a reliable source. There is no bio for the author, and no publication or bio for the website. The website has a lot of pages on a variety of subjects, written by a lot of different authors with no background information.
- Additionally, since posting this question, I've realised that the cited page does not support (at least some of) the statements in the WP article. Junglenut |Talk 06:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fascinating! borealforest.org looks to me like a congeries of mildly interesting stuff lifted from elsewhere, and advertorials. At the foot of the page, we read "Conctact us / Email: marketing[at]shantelllc.com". I opened a "private window" to take a look at shantelllc.com, half expecting to be confronted by (illustrated!) products for erectile dysfunction or whatever. Nothing (to my relief). I guessed that the domain name referred to "Shantel llc", and gurgled Shantel, but nothing obvious came up. Oh, but yes, it did after all. Conclusion: Junk source; delete. -- Hoary (talk) 06:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Signifying ability to use Content Translation Tool
Hello all, I have recently gained extended-confirmed protection and am now able to use the Content Translation Tool (I am also fluent in French). Is there a template of sorts that I can put on my userpage to show other editors that I can do this? I'd rather just do translations and leave the work of determining notability to other editors. Alternatively, is there a way I can either see a category of pages that were poorly machine-translated or pages that have already been determined to need an article in English? Thanks so much! JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- As somebody fluent in French, JuxtaposedJacob, you'll be unusually well qualified to judge the reliability of the sources identified by the particular French-language article you're thinking of translating. Why "leave the work of determining notability to other editors", when determination (one way or another) is likely to be harder for them than for you, and determination of lack of notability will mean that the work you'd done will be wasted? (And probably wasted in a way that will generate yet more waste, as it may well have to go through the tiresome AfD process, with comments, arguments, misunderstandings of French, corrections to misunderstandings, etc etc.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- @JuxtaposedJacob You might want to consider looking through Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia. These are articles which already exist here, but where the French language equivalent contains a significant amount of extra information that could be translated. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 12:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
About VGSCOPE
The article on the Dream SMP has an insanely detailed description of the plot. However, the article on Hypixel has no description at all of gameplay. How are we allowed to give excruciating detail on the Dream SMP and not allowed to give a few sentences on Hypixel's gameplay? When Sataybfaridi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypixel&diff=prev&oldid=1126220208 ) and SpaceByte ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypixel&diff=prev&oldid=1141196397 ) added more detail they got reverted. superMinecraftL (talk) 06:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- @hello world 6: because every statement on wikipedia must be supported by reliable sources. sportskeeda and wikihow are not reliable, see this and this. lettherebedarklight晚安 07:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hello world 6 (for this your username), editors mustn't add unsourced material and mustn't cite unreliable sources. One of these reversions cited a lack of a source; the other the unreliability of sources. This is clearly stated in the respective edit summaries. (I haven't looked at the accuracy of these summaries.) I can't judge whether the detail in Dream SMP is insane or excruciating -- I find any game description soporific, I regret to say -- but if you do then you are free to argue on Talk:Dream SMP for abridgement or compression. -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)