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"Keep me logged in" does work no longer

Since a while, I get logged out all along. Though I check that box. Why does that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambirano (talk • contribs) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a browser issue. Do you have it set to delete cookies when the browser is closed? Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sambirano: there's a feature which logs you out of everywhere if you logout from one place. There is also the cookie issue like Shantavira said - "keep me logged in" doesn't work with private browsing for that reason. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for hints! In deed, it was a cookie issue. In Firefox ESR I had to add https://wikidata.org as allowed exeption under Privacy & Security-> Manage Exeptions->Allow. I had already allowed https://wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambirano (talk • contribs) 15:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Sexism on Wikipedia

Why do people assume editors on Wikipedia are male? Males and females are equally likely to use the internet, and Wikipedia is one of the most popular websites. If males and females are reading Wikipedia the same amount, it should be assumed that they're equally likely to edit it. Maybe women are just less likely to involve themselves with the byzantine politics here. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe the overwhelming majority of Wikipedia editors are male. I feel like that is documented somewhere but I don't know where off the top of my head. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia editors don't use accounts so you can't know that. Females may be less likely to answer surveys. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

A good scientific survey would typically account for some declining to respond. I feel like you are trying to make a larger point here, what is it? 331dot (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

People are rude to new users, use male pronouns by default, and make decisions by who is the loudest. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

We can only address you by a pronoun if we know what one you would like to be addressed as. Otherwise we have to use something. With an IP that's even harder as anyone can be using it- with an account, your first post can be "please address me as she/he/they.

If you have grievances with how a decision is made, and/or a decision has violated policies, there are proper forums to address that. 331dot (talk) 17:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I try to avoid using a gendered pronoun unless it's clear which one to use. But I'm human, I slip up. It happens. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I consider "they/them" as a placeholder pronoun until the true pronouns are known. Cwater1 (talk) 22:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't have an answer to your question but you may be interested in WP:Wikipedians/Demographics, Gender bias on Wikipedia#Causes, and WP:Sexism on Wikipedia (I'm sure there are more pages, but these are the ones I remember). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, all of what Sue Gardner said is true. Editing here is mostly about being aggressive which makes it male-dominated. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Why do you assume that's what "people assume"? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you exactly mean about editing "being aggressive"? NotAGenious (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

People who are aggressive are more likely to get their way. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

In response to the initial post, I'm female, I have been editing just over a year.

Before I created an account, I spent a lot of time reading the noticeboards etc to get a better idea of what the common problems/complaints with editors were, how they were addressed and how policy was implemented. It never once occurred to me that I would be in a minority (below 15%) of editors being female. I didn't get the impression that there was a problem with sexism/misogyny, the obvious problem (to me) seemed to be that there was/is some gender bias towards our trans community.

What I do see is bias from the media and reporting on female topics which makes it difficult, outside of the influencer sphere, to create well referenced articles on female subjects. This is especially difficult for historic female subjects.

The only time I've experienced sexism is the rare times it's been assumed I'm male. This is often a cultural thing. It doesn't bother me. In the fast paced world of live editing, not everyone is going to hunt through my user page to look for my gender. I would rather people used they/them then addressing me as Sir but I don't take offence, I just correct them. Maybe that's down to personal experience as I have always worked in a male dominated environment and was the 6th female in the country to do my job so, maybe I'm just used to it?

TL:DR? I've rarely experienced any sexism here, there is a problem with articles on female subjects. Sexism does exist on Wikipedia, to what extent? I'm not sure. Knitsey (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Knitsey. If anything, enwiki is less sexist than most internet forums (which is admittedly a low bar). The only major sexism I've seen has come from random vandals and trolls, not constructive editors. While there are occasional minor issues involving misgendering and assumption that one is male, such events are rare (and can generally be avoided by listing one's pronouns). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Some people get pissed off at singular they too, there is no perfect solution. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe there a lot of women who are Wikipedia editors, and never thought it was unusual for me (a she/her) to spend a lot of time volunteering here. The only thing that seems to show sexism is an occasional person will begin a Teahouse post with "Dear Sirs" or some other greeting that appears to show the writer is only interested in getting advice from males. When I read Dear Sirs I read no further, thinking "nope, that person doesn't want my input." Karenthewriter (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

On a more practical note, editors with accounts can specify their gender (or preference for gender-neutral terms) at Special:GlobalPreferences. By also setting Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to use the WP:POP gadget, you can see the gender that other editors have set merely by hovering over their username in Talk Pages and elsewhere. This makes it easy to refer to people as they would wish you to do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Some people have assumed I'm female. Some have assumed I'm male. I don't care. HiLo48 (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

It can be hard to tell. On Wikipedia, we don't or at least shouldn't discriminate based on gender, race and identify. Cwater1 (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Same. I've left my pronouns as "they" because it doesn't matter (at least to me). Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

People who are aggressive are more likely to get their way. It's not supposed to be about 'getting one's way', it's about following rules, guidelines, disciplines......sadly there will always be vehement, opinionated editors who devote much time to engaging in drama boards, and I have had to absent myself from mainstream due to this. Male, 10 year ex-named Wikipedian.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 11:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

How to delete a redirect on Wikipedia?

Seawoods-Darave railway station is now a redirect to Seawoods–Darave railway station (notice the difference in the lengths of the dashes). But the redirect itself is the real and actual way of writing the railway station's name! I wanted to change the name of the article to "Seawoods-Darave railway station" (notice the shorter dash), but I couldn't since that name is now a redirect. I am now required to delete the redirect to change the name of the article. I would be pleased if someone could offer me help regarding this. MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak (talk) 13:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak, that's what the MOS: prescribes, Wikipedia:Manual of Style#In article titles. Cabayi (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. But that is when the title is NOT a proper noun. Seawoods-Darave is a proper noun. Just look at the picture in the article's infobox. That hyphen is part of the official name of the railway station and the neighbourhood. MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak (talk) 03:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Font size in tables

Is a reduced font size acceptable for clarity purposes in a table with a large number of columns? If so, what is considered a maximum acceptable size reduction, assuming no compromise in readability? DMBanks1 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1 That isn't a good solution because of variety in the devices readers may use to read tables. Automated horizontal scroll bars are preferred. See Help:Table#Width and Help:Table/Width. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I appreciate that reading tables on smaller devices can be a challenge. However, reading a table that has over 20 columns is equally challenging on a laptop without some font reduction (say to the infobox font size). Is there a command that can shrink a table down to that font size? DMBanks1 (talk) 21:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Font size. In many tables there are ways to reduce column width without reducing font size. If you have a specific table in mind then please link it. Always try to be specific when you ask for help. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: If the cell content length triggers the column width, surely reducing the column width would cause the cell content to wrap onto the next line, which is even more problematic. DMBanks1 (talk) 22:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: It's sometimes less problematic and there are other possible methods for some tables but you still haven't revealed the table of interest. And please don't ask me to describe every conceivable method and which tables they might be applied to. If you want help with something in a specific page then always link the page. Don't even think about whether the specific link is relevant. Always link the page. We waste a lot of time on posters who conceal which page they have a problem with. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: This specific question does not relate to a specific problem page, so I cannot provide it. Rather, I am seeking to develop an optimal strategy for the future. If you know of any table templates that better handle larger numbers of columns, please let me know. DMBanks1 (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: I'm not going to spend time on hypotheticals which might never be used, or might be applied to tables where they make things worse. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I take it you cannot help me identify any table that is more suited to handling a larger number of columns. DMBanks1 (talk) 23:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: I'm not making further posts unless you ask about a specific linked table. Don't ping me again without that. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Rather than continuing to repeat myself can anyone else help me find an example of a table template having a large number of columns. DMBanks1 (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: People still need to read the text in the columns. Many readers, especially the older folks, can have difficulty reading small text. Making text small in the way you describe is discouraged, and making text less than 85% of the default is prohibited (MOS:SMALLTEXT). When you run into issues with a specific table, feel free to come back for specific advice. Take care, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Thank you for your insights. Being a senior myself, I find tech stuff generally baffling. Consequently, I rely on copying, pasting and adapting the innovations of others in WP. However, I have not to date come across an example of satisfactorily resolving the question I raised. If the use of an 85% font size in a table is not an acceptable practice, I guess I am asking a question for which there is no answer. DMBanks1 (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Translating a page with the proper graphic design

I have translated a page from German to English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forchheim_am_Kaiserstuhl

Unfortunately, I do not understand how to put the graphics properly in place. Which possibilities are there to get a step-by-step help with that? I guess that is what is meant by VisualEditor. I have read about it, but understand too little. Thanks for any help. Roland Ernst Futterer (talk) 18:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Roland, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, I don't see anywhere where you have attributed the material you translated from de-wiki. Attribution is a requirement of the CC-BY-SA licence: see Translation.

Second, I'm not certain what you mean by "the graphics". If you mean images, then they will be hosted either on Commons or on German Wikipedia. If they are on Commons, you can use them directly in en-wiki: go to the image's details page in Commons (you may need to click through for example "Zur Beschreibungsseite auf Commons" from de:Datei:Forchheim, Kirche St. Johannes Baptista2.jpg to get to Commons:File:Forchheim, Kirche St. Johannes Baptista2.jpg) and there is a link "Einbinden" at the top which gives you the string to insert into a Wikipedia article. If an image is not on Commons, but hosted on de-wiki, you will need to download it to your computer, and then upload it to Commons or to en-wiki yourself.

But before worrying about images, the article is very weak on sources. There are only a couple of sources cited, and I think they are cited only in the infobox, so essentially all of the text is unreferenced. Finding reliable (and preferably independent) sources for the information in the article is hundreds of times more important than adding images. Please see WP:REFB for information on referencing. ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Colin, thanks a lot for your swift answer and the instructions I will try to follow. Decided to start to improve my skills also by joining one of the Open Editing group here in Berlin. Roland Ernst Futterer (talk) 21:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Roland Ernst Futterer, two things: (1) You'll find that German Wikipedia is often very similar to English in its syntax, just with a few translations. If you take the original references to images and change "Datei" to "File" it will very often work, but check the other parameters too, such as zentriert for centered. I find it quite helpful to have a look at the behind-the-scenes code for a well-formatted, pre-existing English article on a subject similar to that which I'm translating. (2) You'll find that the German wikipedia often uses general referencing, with a reference section at the end of the article that doesn't make it clear exactly what information came from which reference, and few (if any) inline citations. Technically this is permissible in en-wikipedia too, but you may have an uphill battle convincing the English community. Be prepared to encounter AfC reviewers and new page patrollers who expect inline citations. Elemimele (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

DRAFT: NORMA JEAN

Asking for reviews of this page -- it's been rewritten in formal tone; reference to paid coding is removed as no one is getting paid for this; added two new movie reviews that mention her by name Angelagh (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear, this shows a blissful ignorance of the distinction between encyclopedia article and PR puff.1.33.56.248 (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

For example

• has established herself as an accomplished actress and comedienne, translated into non-PR-speak, reads is an actress and comedienne.
• Norma Jean Lowe has achieved significant recognition in her field, and Her indomitable spirit and ambition became evident from a young age, translated into non-PR-speak, both read: "".

Added to which there are almost no inline citations. I can't see either of the ones that there are, but the Costa Mesa Playhouse one is obviously not independent, and thus is worthless for an encyclopaedia article, and unless the New York Daily News has a lot more about her than the LA Times review you list in the "External links" section, it is equally worthless.

If you study WP:YFA carefully, you will see that your very first job, a year ago, was to find several independent, reliable sources containing significant coverage of Jean; because if you cannot find any then she does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and all work you have put into this draft since will have been wasted. ColinFine (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Amazing. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 20:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Rewrite this completely. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I made it more article like in format, but everything needs to be referenced. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

What Edward-Woodrow says. Sample: Post-high school, Norma Jean Lowe commenced her acting journey at a Community Theater and gradually ascended to leading roles in four significant productions with the Little Theater of Watertown, New York. Her career also includes noteworthy supporting roles in both television and film. In the domain of comedy, she masterfully portrays "Smokin' Bev," a satirical character inspired by her own opinionated and occasionally provocative mother. "Commenced her acting journey" → "started acting". According to which reliable sources were the productions significant, the roles noteworthy, the portrayal masterful, the mother opinionated or provocative? But there's a bigger problem than PR-speak: little or no indication of notability. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Right. Here's how to at least improve the excerpt that Hoary gave:

After high school, Lowe started acting at a community theatre and later played the leading roles in four major productions with the Little Theatre of Watertown, New York. She has also been cast in supporting roles in television and film. She has also portrayed Smokin' Bev, a satirical character inspired by her own mother. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Restored PAID to creating editor's User page, as stated in an Edit summary at Talk, expects to be paid if the draft is accepted. David notMD (talk) 12:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Multi-URL citation help

The first reference of 2023 Rolling Fork–Silver City tornado is a unique one. The finalized damage survey from NOAA (publisher)/NCEI (author agency) is broken up by county. This tornado happen to cross into four counties, so that reference is made up of four individual URL citations (each with a unique URL/archived URL). Is there a better or more proper way to do that citation besides what I already did for it? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @WeatherWriter. That looks fine and is easy to understand. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#Bundling citations for examples, one of which is the way you did it. StarryGrandma (talk) 07:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Military awards: tables or lists?

A general question, for military awards, should they be presented in a list format (i.e. Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo#Awards), or in a visual layout format of what's pinned on the left and right breasts (i.e. Hassanudin#Awards and decorations or Mark Milley#Awards and decorations)? The latter seems to be a departure from MOS:TABLES which discourages the use of tables for visual layout. Or there a RfC that overrides this guideline for this use case?

Relevant discussion at User talk:Elfath1421 (pinging @Elfath1421 as well for awareness). – robertsky (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Robertsky I have previously asked on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history (see here), accessibility and visibility is affected also. JASWE (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Short question about edit filter

Hello friends,

I'm current working on a new article about John Rocke (1817-1881), banker and ornithologist. It's not my first article. I have been working here for quite some years now. When I want to save my work (a bit more than 4 pages in my text-editor), I get two messages:

• "An automated filter has detected that you are adding a link to a deprecated source" etc.
• "An automated filter has identified this edit as containing references to one of the following blogging / web host platforms" etc.

My question is:

• how can I find out which specific source(s) is/are detected as "deprecated"; and
• what source(s) is/are identified as "blogging"?

by the automated filter? Is there a special page where I can find this?

Many thanks for helping me out, --Dick Bos (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

a) The filter log shows you tried to use Blogspot as one of your sources; b) to learn whether a given source is deprecated, try asking on WP:RS/N. DS (talk) 14:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this quick respons, @ User:DragonflySixtyseven. I decided to publish the text, and at the same time, dropped a question at the place you mentioned. I hope to get some response soon. I also mentioned the possible unreliability of the source at the talk page. Thanks again, --Dick Bos (talk) 16:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Whopper Whopper

Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is: specifically for the page Whopper Whopper (an internet meme/advertisement) the tag at the top is (not to be confused with: Whopper) when I believe it would be more fitting to say (See also: Whopper), as it is under the same subject umbrella, and it is technically referring to the same thing: a whopper. I cannot find a template that says (see also:), even after searching through the template index. Could somebody please link the template/ tell me that the template doesn't exist? Best regards, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 14:56, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Like Template:See also? NotAGenious (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 15:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Move Page

Hello, Teahouse. My question is: I created a page for the Italian videogame "Saturnalia", but I forgot to add "(videogame)" at the end of the project name. Saturnalia is also a roman fest so it can be confusing. I searched online and apparently I have to use the "move" tool, but I don't see it anywhere. Could somebody please help me? Best regards! Von Brick (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Von Brick. Please request the move by going to this page. You do not have the abillity to move pages yet. That will come when your account is 4 days old and you have 10 edits. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Von Brick, as you've only submitted a draft it's a bit of a different process. Reviewers move drafts to the mainspace so they become articles if they are accepted, and can re-name them as part of that process, so I've added a note to the top of your draft. Qcne (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Understood! Thank you both! Von Brick (talk) 09:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Wrong article - Treaty of Lubowla

Hello, I am an "inexperienced" user so I can't edit English pages. However, I found a page, which has wrong content. The article's name is Treaty of Lubowla, but its content is about a different topic, even though they relate to each other. The page's content is about Spiš pledge, about which page does not exist, but it is mentioned for example in Eldership of Spisz or Province of 13 Szepes Towns.

The Treaty of Lubowla was basically a peace treaty signed in Lubowla on March 15, 1412 between the King of Poland, Władysław Jagiełło, and the King of Hungary and Germany, Sigismund of Luxembourg.

The Spiš pledge (in other languages Spisz/Zips) was a pledge from November 8, 1412 to November 9, 1772 - in exchange for a loan of sixty times the amount of 37,000 Prague groschen, the Hungarian crown pawned 16 rich salt-producing towns in the area of Spiš, as well as a right to incorporate them into Poland until the debt is repaid.

The paragraph above is mentioned in Treaty of Lubowla and that's the whole problem. The author probably confused these two events, because they both happened in the same year and are about the same area. I suggest copying the Treaty of Lubowla page content (as it is really nicely written), and pasting it to the Spiš pledge page, which does not exist yet. Also, there are both pages of these topics made in the Polish language, so you can make the newly made Spiš pledge page as a translation of the Polish one (by the way, you can see the contrast of Polish and English articles about the Treaty of Lubowla, the Polish one is about the actual treaty and English one is about the pledge). Ikpatius (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ikpatius, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry for the long wait for a reply. Probably like most Teahouse hosts here, I'm not qualified to comment on the specifics of that article, or any misunderstanding there may be. So I can neither agree with the point you make, nor disagree with your proposal. But I hope the approach I'm going to recommend will, at least, make some sense.

Firstly, I suggest going to Talk:Treaty of Lubowla and repeating this post with your concerns over there, and the proposal you are recommend making. It would immensely help if you could include links to any external sources to support your rationale.

If you are saying that the content of the page entitled Treaty of Lubowla is fundamentally correct - but is simply mistitled - then rather than copying it to a new article somewhere else, it's far better that your proposal should be simply to change the name of the current article by a process explained at this page. (Technically, we don't actually rename pages, we 'move' them, leaving a redirect behind from the old title.)

We would normally wait a week or so to get input from other editors who watch that page to see if they agree, or can offer a counter proposal. If there's no response, one can simply BE BOLD and go ahead. Unfortunately, when I went to its 'View history' Tab and then clicked 'Pageviews', I can see that there are so few page watchers that their number is listed as 'unknown' (i.e very few indeed!)

So, to get more 'eyes' on the topic and on your proposal, I would also go to one or more of the relevant WP:WIKIPROJECTS which you can find listed at the top of the article's talk page and alert other editors interested in Polish topics to your concerns. In this case, WikiProject Poland.

Start a new Topic at that project's talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland) But, rather than repeating your concerns in detail on there (which then means there would be two potential places for discussions to take place - which gets rather messy), simply start a new topic and briefly explain the issue and say that there is a discussion taking place at Talk:Treaty of Lubowla to rename the article, and invite interested editors to participate in discussions on that page.

We work by consensus here, so hopefully, you will have presented a good enough argument to persuade other editors that your proposal has merit. If it gets it, a more experienced editor could ranme the article with our 'Move' process. If you get consensus, but nothing happens, then come back here and ask someone to rename/move the page per that discussion.

I'm pinging @Maproom into this reply as I see they've kindly offered some help to you on your talk page already, and may wish to know what I have recommended.

My apologies for the long-winded reply, but I hope it makes a modicum of sense to you as a new user here, and that it gets you on the way to resolving the issue you've so thoughtfully raised here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response and your time. But yes, to be honest, this all seems a bit too complicated for a very new user like I am. Basically, with that post I just wanted to contact some main editor, whose work is to solve articles which have false information. I didn't know that Wikipedia is so complicated like this. However, when I'm going to have a bit more free time, I can of course write on that talk page and then write even to the WikiProjects, as I have a lot of external sources. Even the Wiki pages in other languages about these two topics (mainly the Polish, Slovak and Czech ones), are somewhat a good evidence of the English article being wrong (even tho the Russian one about the treaty is wrong too since it is just translated from the English one). But once again, sincerely, thank you for your long and informative response. Ikpatius (talk) 22:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Notable people section

Article I'm improving: Morgan Hill, California

I'm currently improving this article, but I have one question: does the notable people section only include people who have born or lived in Morgan Hill, California, and not those who are associated with the city? Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 16:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC).

Welcome to the Teahouse, TrademarkedTarantula. Providing either the target page about that person explicitly mentions their association with Morgan Hill, or you can cite a Reliable Source which allows that connection to be verified, then there is no problem adding their name to the list of notable people. The association needs to be a good and strong one of course.

If uncertain, you could discuss this on that article's talk page to get consensus from other editors.

Or you could just BE BOLD! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

deleting file

I uploaded a file and now there is a problem with the  license which is not compatible with Commons. So, should I take it down? How to do that? Vkworth (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vkworth: For questions about commons, ask at commons help desk: c:Commons:Help_desk RudolfRed (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vkworth: I think you're talking about c:File:12th Century Romsey Abbey in Hampshire.jpg. It got deleted because the licence isn't compatible with Commons. Please read c:Commons:Flickr files and c:Commons:Licensing before proceeding to upload any more files. Thank you, — MATRIX! (a good person!)^{[Citation not needed at all; thank you very much!]} 15:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding interlude songs to disambiguation pages

I'm going through some of my favorite albums and added their songs to disambiguation pages, and I was wondering if interlude songs would be eligible for them. For example, "Jonestown (Interlude)" from Post Malone's very popular album Beerbongs & Bentleys is not on the disambiguation page of Jonestown. Just wondering, thanks! Rockboy1009 (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rockboy1009. I'm not into music very heavily, but I don't see why that proposal shouldn't be made. Providing it's a track on a notable album, then linking to that page makes sense. As happens with this track it would need to be mentioned in the target article, just as already exists with this entry:

• "Jonestown", a composition by Frank Zappa from Boulez Conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger

I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Merge discussion

How do you get a merge discussion started? 2605:B40:1303:900:A0E1:7DCB:3582:9C6F (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You can find information and guidance on how this process operates at WP:MERGE. regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Cornish wrestling

Could someone take a look at that article? It's about a relatively little-known sport, and yet its main contributor, User:Mab an Garrek, has inflated it to elephantine proportions. 89.64.68.189 (talk) 22:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve the article, start a discussion at Talk:Cornish_wrestling RudolfRed (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

It's strange indeed. Consider this sample from near the start:

The referee is known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, p21-40.</ref> and it is claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, p663-664.</ref>

This might better be revised as:

In the 18th century, the referee was known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, pp21-40.</ref> and a compendium published a century ago claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, pp663-664.</ref>

Far better would be to depend on, and where helpful to cite, the Oxford English Dictionary (oed.com). -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

My view is that the article should really lose the "Notable Cornish Wrestlers" section, which would trim it to a sensible size for Wikipedia. My argument is that none of these wrestlers are "notable" in Wikipedia's sense (not blue-linked), it's just a complete list of every name that whoever wrote it has found reported in the sporting section of any historical newspaper. It's basically Original Research. (Small-print: I suggested a while ago that Wikipedia should have a spare name-space for supported-but-not-encyclopaedic information; this would have been the sort of stuff that could be put there for reference, but there was no consensus for any such drastic addition to the project) Elemimele (talk) 09:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Cornish wrestling is "a relatively little-known sport", but that was not always the case. It was one of the most popular sports in the English speaking world for centuries.

Report repeat source spam/advertising?

Can someone point me to where to report this?

The same website (cdkexplained.co.uk) keeps getting inserted into articles, primarily Chronic kidney disease, but also Renal Association and Focal segmental glomerulosclerosis. They're all from very similar IPv6 addresses (same prefix), and sometimes they're being inserted from the same IP even after revert. Some of the IPs:

• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:2537:CD75:2B52:3458
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:F55D:F5BD:804D:8E49
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:A058:89EA:D03F:25CE
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:456:6582:8A5C:5263
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:135:91DB:6831:403F

Kimen8 (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

You can report spammed URLs at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. MrOllie (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Article completeness

when submitting an article, does it actually matter if its complete or not? People can always go and add their applied sources and words. I mean in terms of information, I can take care of the citations part.

Were talking about a concert wiki page. Like the summary and overview.

some more context: Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour Thealt3786 (talk) 00:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thealt3786, articles are assumed to be incomplete. (Very occasionally, I encounter an article that appears perfect, but a later and better-informed reader might notice lacunae.) What's important is that a draft says enough both to make it clear that the subject is notable and also to be worth reading, and that what it says is clearly backed up with reliable sources. At that point, the draft can be promoted to article status. Worthwhile (nontrivial), well-referenced additions can be made thereafter.

That said, Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour needs more work. Let's consider one short paragraph (after markup-stripping):

On Wednesday January 20th ,1971, Mayor Richard Hatcher, the 16th mayor of Gary, Indiana proclaim proclaimed Jackson Street to be Jackson 5 Boulevard for the week of January 25 - to 31, 1971, while the brothers perform performed 2 houses of benefit concerts on January 31th 31st for the Mayor's re-election campaign. They also receive received the keys to the city of Gary, Indiana.

But I'm still puzzled by the notion of performing two houses of concerts. (Performing two concerts? Performing concerts at two theaters?) And what's the source for receiving the keys to Gary? -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

2 houses meaning two concerts at the same venue Thealt3786 (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for Review of Draft: Elvish Yadav

I am writing to request a review of the draft article Draft_talk:Elvish_Yadav#Review. Unfortunately, this draft has not yet received a review.

Furthermore, the draft Draft:Elvish Yadav is administrator-protected, making it unavailable for acceptance and publication into the main space. This protection status means that most reviewers on WP:AfC are unable to review it.

I kindly request that an experienced Wikipedia editor or administrator with the appropriate privileges assist in reviewing and potentially moving the draft to the main space if it meets the necessary criteria. 103.251.217.233 (talk) 04:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you've been given poor advice here, sorry. Elvish Yadav was salted by Lectonar, so that's who ought to be asked about unprotecting the page. But I expect they won't do that for anyone other than an AfC reviewer who want to accept the draft. -- asilvering (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd recommend removing the line Certainly, here's a request formatted according to Wikipedia guidelines from your LLM output. Tollens (talk) 06:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Labuan Kwang Fook Kwong Temple was built in 1852, NOT 1952

Hi, It's been some time since I edited anything. Please edit the DATE of when the oldest CHinese temple on Labuan Island (Sabah), KWANG FOOK KWONG was built (in 1852). NOT 1952. Josephine Manjaji (talk) 04:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Josephine Manjaji, and welcome to the Teahouse! I can't seem to find the page you're talking about – would you be able to provide the exact title? Tollens (talk) 06:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

LAWN BOWLS

As from June 2016 Abe Eybers, BSA Member #48564, BSA Coach #2257, Pretoria South Africa, has created, verified and documented >200 Lawn Bowl Skills, combined in a Training Manual (currently being printed). The most signifigant item is that: "CREATED A #SKILL4ALL AS A CAST IN STONE DELIVERY LINE USING THE PRECISION BIAS LINE PER BRAND OF BOWL TOGETHER WITH INDIVIDUAL 70% PSYCHO STRENGTH VIA THE "AUTOMATIC BODY INTUITION SYSTEM" (ABIS). "GENIUSLY BORN AS BLINK AND DELIBERATE LINES. "BLINK IS MOSTLY USED BY TOP5% NATURAL 70% ABIS TALENT, AND DELIBERATE BY THOSE WITH EQUAL EXPERTNESS BUT REQUIRE A "PICTURE POINT OF AIM" (POA). Searching Wikipedia for Skills or Qualifications, the result is "ZERO to match the query"! Thus the perception is that there is NO DOCUMENTED SKILLS FOR LAWN BOWLS INTERNATIONALLY. Lachlan Tighe BOWLS, Wikipedia Page: I SEARCHED 2 items, "Weight Control and Delivery Line" with no results. The Manual has "Cast in Stone Methodologies" to be used to improve performance, immediately. Example, Abe E joined Lachlan Tighe International Fellow Coach platform in January 2023, within this he sent me 2 questions from UK and NZ, both Abe E could supply answers extracted from the Manual, I hope it assisted in clarifying a "Mystery Abe E has Deciphered for 7yrs with >230 Joyfully >50% performers, who was the Acid Test to Verify the Paradigms created"

Abe Eybers has power to fill the 3 century "Dereliction of Zero Lawn Bowl Litrature" and enable an educatioal platform for "Bread and Butter" players to use in performing at a higher level, depending on such individual enthusiasm.

The Question for Abe E is: "HOW IMPORTANT IS SUCH ACTION FOR THE LONGELIVITY IN A "DYING SPORT" (RSA DECLINED FROM >200000 TO ><100000 IN 2023), IS IT FEASABLE TO PROCEED IN FILLING WIKIPEDIA WITH SUCH LITRATURE, SHALL PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE SUCH? DEAR READER PLEASE RELATE YOUR OPINION WITHIN THIS THIN SLICING OF BEING OPEN HANDED GIVING MY QUEST MEANING TO PROCEED, THANKS. 41.121.68.120 (talk) 04:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

No. Since Abe Eybers' grimoire is "currently being printed", I infer that it hasn't yet been published, and thus that there won't be reliable sources -- for which "reliability" should be as defined by and for Wikipedia -- about it. Once it's published, wait till the reviews of it in respected periodicals have piled up, then perhaps ask again. But, please, do so with minimal use of CAPITAL LETTERS. Because the more capitals a writer uses, the more deranged the writer seems. -- Hoary (talk) 06:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary. The topic is to find like minded people to improve their skills in lawn bowls playing standard of people, and giving weight to go beyond the manual, then try to research the possibility to have the authorities to implement these skills as policy. There are no documented training material for Lawn Bowls currently. Is my topic stopped due to reliability issue? 41.121.68.120 (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that to find like minded people is an example of promotion, and the rest of your purpose sounds like advocacy, neither of which is among the purposes of Wikipedia. You'll need to find somewhere else to do this - see Alternative outlets for some ideas. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine good day. Thanks for reply and giving the faults used. Enjoy life and I will search further to find doors. Abe E. Greetings. 41.121.68.120 (talk) 05:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Robert Goulet Discography

How Many Studio albums, Live albums, Compilation albums, Singles, Soundtrack albums, Box sets, Notable archival projects did Robert Goulet Had? Samchristie05 (talk) 05:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Look in the article "Robert Goulet", Samchristie05. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Is this article notable?

I'm currently in the process of improving my first article: Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival. Unfortunately, it was tagged for notability because it did not have "national sources". However, this is a festival with local interest, meaning that it's rare for a newspaper like the NYT to notice this, while a local newspaper (e.g. The Morgan Hill Times) writes about it all the time. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 06:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula I would find that argument convincing, but the NYT isn't cited as a source on this article. -- asilvering (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering I was using that source as an example. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 06:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula Sorry, it looks like I misunderstood you. Do you mean to say that it doesn't need national sources, because it's in The Morgan Hill Times all the time? That's an argument you can make, certainly, though remember that if someone really wants to throw the "rulebook" at you, they'll count that paper as "one source", no matter how many articles/journos you have from it. But what makes you think this is why it was tagged for notability? I don't see anything in the edit history or Talk page that says this. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering See here. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 07:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'm with Nick I'm afraid, but don't let that stop you. There's no requirement that sources be national-level. -- asilvering (talk) 07:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula The problem is, most cities around the world have local festivals, all of which are covered by their local newspapers (obviously). They only become 'Notable' when the world at large takes an interest in them - as reflected by books or detailed national magazine articles or newspapers talking about them. We have an anual festival in my city too (see here), but all our events are covered just by our daily newspaper and local radio, as is yours.

(By way of another example: I have at home a box file of easily a hundred local newspaper cuttings about things I've done or achieved over the years, plus some local radio and local TV recordings. Oh, and a photo of me dressed as an alien on the front cover of a national UK newspaper! But none of those things makes me Notable' either, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned because they're all either local sources or just passing mentions.)

But what really surprises me is there's no mention whatsoever of anything mushroom-related at all in the main article about Morgan Hill, California. Now that you have a lot more editing experience under your belt, I would recommend that you address that as a priority, and add a 'Culture' section to summarise the Festival there, which seems a valid place for it. I'm afraid I still think Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival is a candidate for a Deletion Discussion, despite you removing my 'notability tag earlier today. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

An argument can be made for a festival to fall under WP:CORP, in which the WP:AUD section requires national or at least regional coverage. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, according to WP:AUD, it states that at least one national or regional source can prove notability. According to List of newspapers in California, The Mercury News is a widely circulated paper. It serves both the San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 02:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh no my article's being deleted ahhhhhhhhhhhh :( Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula No need to panic, no one has nominated it for deletion. (Yet.) Again, I think Nick's in the right here: why not write a short paragraph about it on the article for Morgan Hill, California? We can then make Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival into a redirect to the article on the town itself, which means that when people search for the festival they'll get directed to the paragraph you wrote on that article. -- asilvering (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Information about other wikipedias article creation

I was poking around on some articles I had created back in 2021/22 yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see some of them now enjoy translations on other language Wikipedias. However, to my knowledge I have no way of knowing when an article that I have either created, or is on my watchlist is introduced to a new language Wikipedia without manually clicking through them all and reviewing the language bar.

Is there a way to get notifications for when an article (either created by the user, or on the users watchlist) is introduced onto a new Wikipedia, as Wikipedia does have notifications for when a link is made to an article you have created? sovietblobfish (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sovietblobfish. You can alter many of the default types ways you receive notifications by going to the 'Notifications' tab in your Preference settings. I wasn't aware of notifications being sent if an article you created or are watching is translated into another language. However, I see there is a setting for 'Translations', but this only appears to relate to articles you have translated via the 'Content Translation Tool'. I've had a few of my articles translated into other languages and don't remember ever seeing a notification, despite having the box for that ticked in my own preferences. I would certainly be a nice thing to be informed about, but I don't think we ever are! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

ah, that's a shame :( but thank you :) sovietblobfish (talk) 15:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

IP question

Hello friends or strangers...-Greetings from Constantine...-Blesses from SeaToad...-again... 109.242.137.246 (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Helo IP editor. Welcome to the Tehouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia that you need help with? That's what we're here for. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Help accepting an admin-restricted draft over at AfC

I kindly request an administrator's assistance reducing the creation protection for the main space article for Draft:Elvish Yadav. I wish to accept it as per WP:BASIC and/or WP:THREE. However, it is creation protected for admins only at this time, because of spammy frequent creations. Please advise, kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC).

Hi! You're looking for WP:RFUP. NotAGenious (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Spinster300: I wouldn't accept it just yet. It contains numerous citations to The Times of India, which according to WP:RSP, is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. This seems highly likely for articles about pop-culture people.

Personally, I think our notability bar is set too low for biographies, especially YouTubers.

When it's ready, you can make a request at WP:RFPP to remove the create protection (or just ask me on my talk page). ~Anachronist (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Trying to add an edit to the Parapsychology section in the Wiki, unable via system interference, unable to register (also)

I was going to insert the following: Before proceeding further, please watch the video: Magnetic man Georgian man breaks record for sticking spoons to his body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heVwE66iFkw&t=2s The so called macro "human magnetism" seemingly has nothing to do with "magnetism" as we know it. Individuals like the Georgian magnet man can voluntarily attract/hold/release solid inanimate objects of any composition using only their clean bare skin. Anything interposed between the skin and the object to be adhered (example: clothing) negates the effect just demonstrated. Note: the force exhibited seems to lie in the plane of the skin, perpendicular to the surface of the body. People such as these occur world wide. Indian Magnetic Man https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YTgGT6ieMRE Is this man magnetic? - Guinness World Records https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjHU3JDS2ig [And more.] The first phase of the investigation would rely on neuroimaging of the brain of such people as they exhibit a complete sequence of planning and executing a so called human macro magnetic episode. The tools could be the fMRI and the High Density EEG (with 256 recording channels). The neural locations activated would be recorded as this sequence unfolds. Phase two [invasive] would be performed on cadavers. Vital dyes/tracers (using micro injections) would be applied to the previously found nerve tracts/loci in the brain related to the macro human magnetic performance. Nerves so labeled would diffuse" downstream" toward the biological cellular assemblages that correlate with the macro "human magnetism". Phase three: Locate these relevant biological cellular assemblages on living "human magnets". Note: Currently there are four known Fundamental physical forces: gravity, electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces. Seemingly, "human macro magnetism" is distinct from any of the above named forces. Thus, the hypothesis that "parapsychological/paranormal" phenomena might be powered by human interaction with the physical world by an other energy spectrum is a viable. Anatomy and Physics might be informed. 47.153.208.174 (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I am unclear what text it is that you want to insert into the article on Parapsychology. But that huge 'wall of text' above certainly would definitely NOT be appropriate! It reads more as some theory or conclusion of your own, rather than citing a properly published, reliable source to make a clear and succinct point within an encyclopaedia article.

If you feel something should be added or corrected, you can go to the article's talk page and make an EDITREQUEST, but it still needs to cite a source and state explicitly what text needs to be replace, and with what.

If you're struggling to create an account, try closing your browser and reopening it (ensuring you don't have any VPN settings enabled). As you've successfully managed to edit this page, you should not be having problems anywhere else. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

I added the archive template code to Talk:PC Card, but not everthing got archived. Why? How do I archive the remaining posts? PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@PhotographyEdits well.. you have configured it to keep 5 threads on the page (minkeepthreads), which it did. It will automatically archive the older threads when there are 2 newer threads (minarchthreads) (if age isn't an issue). – robertsky (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

missing in the Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Article?

what missing in the Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Article? Samchristie05 (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Samchristie05, I'm not sure what you are asking, could you rephrase? Qcne (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

About What Missing in Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams article cause it been declined approved? Samchristie05 (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Samchristie05. Draft:Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams needs more reliable sources to demonstrate that it meets notability guidelines. You can see the relevant guideline at WP:NALBUM. gobonobo ^{+ c} 17:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo I did 3 description from sources , 3 sentences from Album Review in AllMusic what else? Samchristie05 (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 You could ask one of the reviewers who declined the draft what they're looking for. Here's an article in LA Times and a book source you could use. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobohope it's work cause i just hit summit apporved Samchristie05 (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo Hopes it's works cause i just hit resummit approves Samchristie05 (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 Unfortunately, your recent addition added word-for-word text from the LA Times article without attribution. This is a copyright violation and will need to be addressed before the article is approved. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo can you explain what i did? Samchristie05 (talk) 00:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 Sure. You copied text from the LA Times article and used it in your draft. The sentences that start with "When Del Shannon scored his signature..." and "His trademark falsetto is perfectly..." are both copyright violations. It looks as if other passages in the article have been copied from the Rising Storm review as well. These will need to be removed or rewritten in your own words. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

so i changed from When Del Shannon sorced his signature to when he orced his signature, and his trademark salsetto is perfectly to it's perfectly and i'm going to remove The Rising Storm Review, @Gobonobo Samchristie05 (talk) 02:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a browser issue. Do you have it set to delete cookies when the browser is closed? User:Clarita1000|^{feed me} — Preceding undated comment added 17:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Filter - predatory open access journal

I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I just added some material to British possession (an article I have been writing) and this seems to have tripped some kind of filter for a "predatory open access journal". I'm pretty sure that wasn't the University of Toronto Law Journal article from 1937, but what about the International law Research? Is that a "predatory open access journal"? The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@The wisest fool in Christendom: That's Special:AbuseFilter/891, which filters primarily against DOI numbers added in article space, and also some URLs. In this case it was triggered by cssenet.org, which hosts International Law Research. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist does that mean the journal is no good? Should I remove it? (It isn't critical anyway.) The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@The wisest fool in Christendom: It might mean that. Basically a predatory journal is "pay to publish", meaning they'll publish anything for payment, and there is little actual in-depth peer review. There's always a chance that such a journal actually has a good paper in it, but you need to consider, if the paper is any good, why not publish it somewhere else?

Yes, I think it would be best to remove it, if it isn't critical to the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist Thanks for that guidance. I have removed it. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 21:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Do translations violate copyright?

Hello, I have a question! When editing an article and using sources in languages other than English, is the act of close paraphrasing or literal translation a derivative work and thus original enough for the holder of the copyright be the editor of the translation or would this be a copyright infringement? Many thanks. The Blue Rider 20:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, The Blue Rider. In the US, a translation is a derivative work. There's a decent guide on the commons here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works It contains this quote from the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976: "A derivative work is a work based upon one or more pre-existing works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted." Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Significance of the person

Is the person who is the head of the monarchical house significant enough? 178.205.52.67 (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A king or queen would be notable, yes. The head of a small clan somewhere obscure probably wouldn't - unless they'd been written about in detail and in depth and met criteria laid out here. Who are you referring to and which country does this relate to? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Is this the "monarchical house" of an actual monarchy, or is it merely some family that might well have produced monarchs for some nation if that nation hadn't already dispensed with its monarchy and become a republic? -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Requesting to review Draft:Aranmanai 4

Resolved

Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to request a review of Draft:Aranmanai 4 by someone with admin rights. I believe the article meets the criteria outlined in wp:nff. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks I have admin rights, but that's not relevant at all here. You have already submitted your article to WP:AFC for review and feedback. We are all volunteers here and there is a huge backlog of articles to review. The notice on your draft states: Your review is waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,343 pending submissions waiting for review. Meanwhile, if there's anything else we can help you with, just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Could you delete article Aranmanai 4 so i can move the draft to article space myself, if it didn't violate anything?Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks: I also have admin rights, but I'm averse to putting an article about an unreleased film in mainspace. Why not wait until after it's no longer "upcoming"? ~Anachronist (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Anachronist The project is notable and sources are good, so i think there is no harm in putting it in article space. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I am also an administrator, Anoopspeaks. Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. Your draft does not verify that principal photography is underway, so in my opinion, it is too soon for an article about this sequel. Cullen328 (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for pointing out that, i will try to add information about filiming.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That is three Admins who advise against moving the draft to mainspace. If you do it before the film is released (Jan 2024) the it is likely that the person performing the New Pages Patrol will flip it back to draft. I recommend waiting until it is in cinema and there are reviews that can be references. I see that Aranmanai (film series) already has quite a bit of information about A4. That should be enough for now. David notMD (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Should I add a photo of a High School to its Wikipedia page, and if so, how?

I took this photo of Vandegrift High School. Curious if anyone could tell me if, how and where to put it in the article. I was looking around, and couldn’t find any pages that talked about this in specific. Thanks a bunch! Slamforeman (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Slamforeman. If you look at the image file page, you will see a "W" Wikipedia icon followed by a link that says "Use this file" That will open a window that generates two snippets of wiki code. Copy the first snippet, and paste it into the appropriate place in the wiki code for the high school article, and publish your changes. Cullen328 (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Slamforeman: To put it in the article is a useful thing to do. Just copy the file name (without the "File:" prefix), go to the article, click "edit" at the top of the page, and paste the file name in the |image= field of the infobox. Deor (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Cullen328's instructions work if you want to insert the image elsewhere than in the infobox. In this case, though, I think putting it in the infobox is preferable, since no image currently appears there. Deor (talk) 22:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I have gone through with what you have said. There was an alert about “undocumented parameters” but I removed it and it seems to have gone fine. Hope this was the right thing to do. Thank you both. Slamforeman (talk) 22:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Dyslexic Font

Hi,

Considering a lot of people use wikipedia, I wish you guys would add a dyslexic font to improve accessibility. Its a small change but I think it would be a good one. Sodipe7 (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sodipe7. According to this article, these fonts are ineffective. Cullen328 (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

That was a nice read. Thanks! Sodipe7 (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sodipe7 you can customize the fonts used on Wikipedia by going to Preferences --> Appearance and adding your font choice to your custom CSS. -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sodipe7: See Wikipedia:Dyslexic readers for information on how to enable this 3df (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

time

Is there anyway to make text update as time passes? like some code? (ex. 1967 to today = 53 years, in a few years change automatically into, for example 1967 to today = 68 years ) Nameclips (talk) 23:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nameclips: Yes, there is {{Time ago}} that does that. There are some other templates linked from that page that do similar things for ages. RudolfRed (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! test >>> 0 seconds ago Nameclips (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Mainspace edit count?

Is there a way I may see how many edits I have on the mainspace (many things on Wikipedia seem to require 200 mainspace edits...) G'year talk·mail 00:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@A westman:, you can check using this tool. Currently, you have 56 mainspace edits. Cheers! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

You can also see the number by going to your Contributions page - no tool required! -- asilvering (talk) 00:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Where does it show the main space edits? All I see if the total edit count. Where should I be looking? RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed, when looking at any registered editor's contributions page, scroll to the bottom and click the "Edit count" link. That will produce a remarkably detailed report about the editor's history. It goes far beyond a count of mainspace edits, to much greater levels of detail, all presented in an easy to understand graphic format. Cullen328 (talk) 05:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed My bad, I skipped over the "mainspace" bit. Total edit count is all the contribs page has. The instructions Cullen328 gave you are another way to get to the tool Relativity linked. -- asilvering (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Block problems...

I have noticed that when in the English version of wikipedia, i can log in freely without any type of error, but, when i try to repeat this in the Spanish version, i get a message that i have been blocked. Why is this happening? Why is it only in the Spanish version? (for context, i have only edited about once or twice before having this account. I never vandalised another page when i was in anonymous mode. )

I am Nameclips. (just incase because its showing my IP for me.)

Best regards, Nameclips (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Update: This same effect happens on my phone.

Nameclips (talk) 00:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nameclips: You will need to ask at the Spanish Wikipedia why your account is blocked there. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you perhaps related to Slamforeman? -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No i am not related to him. Nameclips (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Nameclips, English Wikipedia editors have no power, influence or insight into what goes on at the Spanish Wikipedia. Each language version is run separately. Your user talk page on Spanish Wikipedia should have a notice explaining why you were blocked and how to appeal there. Cullen328 (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

More decisively, Nameclips, your contributions page there would show that you were blocked, if you were blocked there. It does not, so you aren't blocked there. Indeed, "La cuenta de usuario «Nameclips» no está registrada": you don't even exist there. -- Hoary (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Hoary It could still be (and probably is) a block on the underlying IP adress set to disable account creation. As far as I am aware, "account creation disabled" type blocks prevent all types of accounts creation, including automatic local account creation when you first log in (sometimes visiting does suffice) on a new project.

As far as what to do now, this probably requires the assistance of someone with the centralauth-createlocal user right on eswiki to use the associated special page (I don't remember it's title right now) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Why does the merge hatnote I put on Sewing needle look like that?

See title, please G'year talk mail 01:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Very likely because you hadn't read, digested, and implemented Template:Merge/doc. -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

What Wikipedia positions could a Wikipedian be elected or appointed to?

Not including the Arbitration Committee, Wikimedia Board, and ArbCom Electoral Commissions. A.FLOCK (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, there’s the Guild of Copy Editors and the Typo Team, but those you volunteer to, not get elected. 98.97.113.192 (talk) 04:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Aside from Arbcom, Board, Electoral Commission, one is also "elected", after a fashion to the position of administrator and bureaucrat, which aren't really positions, but user rights that require community discussion and consensus before a candidate can receive them. With other rights (page patroller, page reviewer, page mover, account creator) you apply for it and your application is evaluated before the right is granted or not. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Job apply

How can be apply job. 14.194.128.26 (talk) 03:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a page for questions on how to use Wikipedia. We are not a job recruiter. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

taxonomy trouble

I have been editing some old world silverside articles when I noticed a newish genus (doboatherina) meant that there some species lists were outdated, but I feel that I've reached the limit of my expertise when it comes to creating a page for the genus. The big stumbling block is disagreement between sources about what species belong to the genus. The original paper lists 10, a search on Eschmeyer's catalogue of fishes shows 11 with a "current status" in the genus, and both WoRMS and Fishbase list 8. I lack the scientific background that would allow me to weigh the authority of these sources - is it possible for someone more experienced to step in here? Infointheair (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Infointheair Have you tried asking at WP:FISH? Or maybe WP:BIOL? -- asilvering (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Write a review on child marriage

Child marriage 106.195.76.110 (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article on the topic is Child marriage. -- asilvering (talk) 06:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are there any small tasks I can do?

I want to build up a good reputation before I dive head-first into this community. Puzzle Piece the Wikipedian (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

There are some lists of tasks at WP:COM. Do you have any interests in particular? It might be more fun to pick tasks related to something you're interested in. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I link my user page in a different language to my en-wiki user page?

Hi Teahouse,

I am active on other wikis besides en-wiki, and it will be helpful if my en-wiki user page is linked to them, i.e. at the top-right corner, it will show "2 languages" that allows me to go to my user page in different languages. I see that many other users do that (such as User:Jimbo Wales).

I tried looking for "Edit interlanguage links", but it doesn't show up on user pages.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 07:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: You can create your userpage on Meta – anything you put there will be shown in place of your userpage on all Wikimedia wikis where you haven't specifically created one. (If you don't want it to show up on Meta, you can place it between <onlyinclude><includeonly> and </includeonly></onlyinclude>) Tollens (talk) 07:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: I realize now that I may have misunderstood your question: I don't think you actually want this to be part of the page itself. You can add links of the format [[language code:Title]] to the bottom of your user page – you can find the language code of each Wikipedia at meta:List of Wikipedias (in the "Wiki" column of the table). Tollens (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tollens,

I am afraid that I didn't communicate the point clearly. If you go to the page User:Jimbo Wales, you will see on the top right corner "文A 10 languages", to the right of the title of the page. Whereas, if we go to your or my user page, we will see "文A Add languages". That's the part I'm talking about. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 08:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that would be the second solution I posted. It should make those links appear – you'll have to do that on each of your user pages. Tollens (talk) 08:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tollens, this is wonderful! -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Help Needed in Publishing Article

I am seeking assistance with publishing an article about Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, a prominent figure in the field of Ophthalmology. If there are any experienced Wikipedia editors who can guide me through the publishing process and help ensure that the article complies with Wikipedia's guidelines, I would greatly appreciate your assistance. I can provide the necessary information, and your expertise will be invaluable in making this information accessible to a wider audience. Thank you in advance for your support. Khannark (talk) 08:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I see that you have already declared your COI regarding this proposed article, and have made clear on your Talk page that PAID does not apply. You have also had you Sandbox Speedy deleted twice, so if those were efforts to craft a draft about Reddy, your approach was radically wrong. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. The essential question is whether you have access to three or more published articles about Reddy that will establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Your personal knowledge of his accomplishment would be considered 'original research' and thus not allowed. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, David. I understand the importance of not relying on original research for Wikipedia articles. Regarding the notability of Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, I do have access to multiple published articles and sources that establish his notability in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. My aim is to create a well-sourced and encyclopedic article that adheres to all Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

On a related note, I have noticed that some existing articles about other individuals, such as 'Dr. Reddy,' have issues with broken links and citations. I'm curious about how these articles were published and are currently live despite these issues. Is there a specific process for dealing with such cases, or would you recommend any actions I can take to help improve the quality of existing articles? Khannark (talk) 08:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Out of the millions of articles that are on Wikipedia, it is likely that many of them are inappropriate and simply not addressed yet by a volunteer. Volunteers do what they can when they can. See other stuff exists. If you would like to help us, you can work to identify other inappropriate articles you have seen so action can be taken. We need the help. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, the English Wikipedia currently has 6,732,829 articles, and experienced Wikipedia editors are well aware that a million or more are mediocre or worse. We work 24 hours a day worldwide to either improve or delete poor quality articles. Do not emulate bad articles. Instead, model your work on Good articles and Featured articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, Link rot is inevitably going to happen, regardless of how perfectly referenced an article is at some point in time – it is the nature of the Internet. Wikipedia does not (to my knowledge) have a formal Planned Maintenance regime to combat this, so depends (as with everything else) on the combined efforts of tens-to-hundreds of thousands of users to minimise its likelihood and correct it when noticed, per WP:Link rot. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of undisclosed payments warning

I have a COI with an article which has been flagged with a message saying it has been edited in return for undisclosed payments and that it may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view.

I haven't and won't edit the page myself so what is the best way to have someone help on the page to clean it up and have the warning removed? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian The warning places the article in a category of articles that are so tagged, that volunteers look at when they have time to do so. At some point an independent editor will look at the article and evaluate it. There isn't really any way you can speed this up, please be patient. If you see things that can be changed, you are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree being patient is the best way. Might place a formal request if no news after a couple of weeks. Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

are wikipedia templates turing complete

title Natelabs (talk) 09:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: There is no way to make a loop or goto statement, and recursion is limited to a depth of 1, so no. Tollens (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of the recursion limit. Is there any way we can bypass this limit through template A transcluding template B and B transcluding A? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it – just found someone who tried at mw:User:Ypnypn/sandboxA. Tollens (talk) 10:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I assume that's by design. Tollens (talk) 10:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I think so. First of all, we have Lua modules that can be invoked by templates, but even if we were to not use Lua, we have these conditional templates that should be able to evaluate a brainfuck program by representing integers through strings. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, well I suppose with Lua, yeah. I'm not aware of how you'd implement moving an instruction pointer backwards using conditional templates, though. Tollens (talk) 10:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Unveritable, unreliable and inaccurate article.

I came across an unreliable ,derogatory, hoax and utterances that tarnishes and is irrelevant to a subject matter Drillrichard (talk) 12:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Drillrichard Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Be brave to fix it, if it is something totally hoax, feel free to tag an CSD to it. -Lemonaka‎ 12:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Drillrichard, if this is about Dapo Abiodun, you appear to have removed what seem at first glance to relevant and properly referenced facts of public record, since restored by Knitsey – apologies if I am mistaken. You should continue to discuss the matter with Knitsey and any other interested parties, but can I ask if you have any personal connection to the subject, such that Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and/or Wikipedia:Paid might apply?

If you have not before, you should perhaps review Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I've been adding further information to the article with referencing. There is a sock puppet investigation open as there have been confirmed socks. I did add Drillrichard (talk · contribs) to it 2 days ago as the editing pattern seemed to be the same.

I'm still working on the article to improve it. Knitsey (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Global user page not showing in mobile app ( Android)

Hi,

I am using the global user page on all other languages except the English Wikipedia. When I view my user profile in another language via a browser, it correctly fetches the page from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anoopspeaks. However, if I try the same from the mobile app (Android), I end up on the non-existing local user page link, causing a 404 error. Is there a way to fix this? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing wikipedia articles about people after they have died

Hi,

This has boggled my mind quite alot lately, and I couldn't find any answers with search engines so I want to ask here:

When someone with a wikipedia article dies, is there some kind of automatical system to turn sentences written in the present tense into imperfects (like turning "Obama is an american politian" into "Obama was an american politian")? Is it all done manually or is there some other way to fix those things. 91.153.156.177 (talk) 13:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)