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    January 11

    Gilbert Stuart

    Can someone help me change the black and white image of William Curtis 1775 on the Portrait Gallery page to a color image of it that I have and that was supplied for this purpose? The image is not online, so it's a problem. I guess it's not possible.

    . DEvans2 (talk) 00:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    DEvans2, if the image dates from the 18th century then it will be in the public domain and can be used for any purpose. You can upload it to Wikimedia Commons yourself, applying commons:Template:PD-Art-100. Once it's at Commons, you can use it wherever appropriate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. I uploaded it but didn't satisfy the value question. The portrait is 18th century; there should be no problem but it is made too compliicated. Unless there is an easier way, I give up. DEvans2 (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DEvans2, what was this "value question"? -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DEvans2, is this about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:William_Curtis_1775,_RHS_Lindley_Collections.jpg ? Maproom (talk) 08:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, then it did upload! Many thanks for the instructions. Can someone help me replace the black and white image of it with this at
    the wikipedia site, given above, for the artist Gilbert Stuart? It's in the Gallery of Pictures at the end, the only black and white one.
    Either please do it or give me further instructions. Thanks again. DEvans2 (talk) 20:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DEvans2, if it is indeed commons:File:William_Curtis_1775,_RHS_Lindley_Collections.jpg, that had a surely well-meant but fictitious copyright waiver (donation to the public domain), which I've changed to something appropriate. But as for its "Summary", I can correct "author" (to Gilbert Stuart) but I don't know "date" or "source". Please edit the summary. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm trying to change it. The date is 1775 as already cited. The owner or source is the Royal Horticultural Society, London, which gave me permission to post it. I wasn't knowingly doing it wrong. I haven't done this before. DEvans2 (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DEvans2, fixed. I'm sure that you have meant well; and yes, editing Mediawiki can be frustrating at first. Don't give up! -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DEvans2, now also categorized, I hope accurately. -- Hoary (talk) 02:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. Do you think you could make the switch - the color mage for the black and white? I'm afraid of getting into a real mess. DEvans2 (talk) 02:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The switch involves the color image of Curtis by Stuart at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:William_Curtis_1775,_RHS_Lindley_Collections.jpg
    Can someone add this to the wikipedia page for Stuart, to replace the black and white image of the same portrait of Curtis which is at the end under the gallery of pictures? It's at Gilbert Stuart or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Stuart
    I think I'd fail if I tried. I'd be grateful for help. The title below would remain the same. DEvans2 (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe I've done this - please check. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Font size in infoboxes

    According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style we should "specify font sizes relatively (for example with font-size: 85%) rather than absolutely (like font-size: 8pt). The resulting font size of any text should not drop below 85% of the page's default font size." According to MOS:FONTSIZE we should "avoid using smaller font sizes within page elements that already use a smaller font size, such as most text within infoboxes, navboxes, and references sections." Does in mean the text in the templates below 85% of the of the page's default font size violates this rule? For example {{goal}}, {{yellowcard}} in {{Football box}}. Font size is much smaller than it should be? Example:

    2006 FIFA World Cup
    Final
    Italy 1–1 (a.e.t.) France
    		 Report
    Attendance: 69,000

    Look at the font size of the minutes (5', 19' etc.) --Corwin of Amber (talk) 03:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, that violates MOS:FONTSIZE. I can't see what the reason is behind presenting that information with a smaller font-size. Bazza (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mass edit?

    I noticed that there are a ton of pages tagged for needing verification from August 2022. All of the location ones really just need the first of the two notes citations (the one just going to census.gov) removed. Is there a way for someone to mass-fix this?

    --- The note, as it is, is always in the Demographics section as:

    "Note: the US Census treats Hispanic/Latino as an ethnic category. This table excludes Latinos from the racial categories and assigns them to a separate category. Hispanics/Latinos can be of any race.<ref>http://www.census.gov {{nonspecific|date=August 2022}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=About the Hispanic Population and its Origin |url=https://www.census.gov/topics/population/hispanic-origin/about.html |website=www.census.gov |access-date=18 May 2022}}</ref>"

    It is the first of the two that needs to go, because the second has it covered. Edenaviv5 (talk) 04:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Edenaviv5: You can ask at WP:BOTREQ if this task is suitable for a bot. If it is not, then you may be able to use WP:AWB to make the edits more efficiently. RudolfRed (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! Edenaviv5 (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Can someone help?

    The creator of "File:1. Luftgeschaeft.jpg" told me he wants to delete it because he has already created this photo in a different name. Can someone delete this? ארז האורז (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Done – looks like they were close, there were just a couple nowiki tags making the deletion template display as text rather than a tag. Tollens (talk) 09:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mining plans

    Can you put me in touch with someone who has old mining plans for English collieries in an overlay fashion. I am specifically looking for Bolsover Colliery and Shirebrook Colliery plans. I worked at both of these are mines and I want to show our grandchildren where I worked. 90.241.9.189 (talk) 10:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I am not sure about anyone in particular to contact, but poking around I found this website – https://www.oldminer.co.uk – which appears to have a significant amount of information and images related to both. I'll keep looking for a little bit and see if I can find anything more. Tollens (talk) 10:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) I've referenced "Notts ex-miner" in the past, but I think he only puts up plans of disasters, not collieries generally. I've also checked the Durham Mining Museum but neither colliery has a plan, in part because both collieries avoided a major disaster. I had a quick scan of Coal magazine, courtesy of National coal Mine online without luck. There is a potted history of Bolsover here and one for Shirebrook here along with some surface photos. But I'm afraid I can't locate any plans. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Try the National Library of Scotland's OS map archive. You can use the "Choose an historic map overlay" menus to pick different scales and time periods. Bazza (talk) 11:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Northern Mine Research Society may have something. ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The National Library of Scotland is the place to find UK maps https://maps.nls.uk/. The site takes a bit of getting used to. It is designed to be interactive. I found Bolsover Colliery on an Ordnance Survey 25 inch Sheet Derbyshire XXVI.5 published 1916 (just north of the Brickworks).
    (while I was doing this I see someone else has suggested nls site) BlueWren0123 (talk) 11:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The NLS site only gives the above ground locations, the OP was asking for plans. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes you are correct. BlueWren0123 (talk) 12:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I hadn't appreciated that "plans" referred to subsurface only. Bazza (talk) 12:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Possibly not only underground plans as and I want to show our grandchildren where I worked and in an overlay fashion. Above ground may be acceptable? BlueWren0123 (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The National Archives at Kew list various documents for Bolsover Colliery including some rolled up "Maps and Plans". Would need a trip to Kew. When I visited many years ago, I ordered the items the day before to avoid disappointment or a long wait. BlueWren0123 (talk) 12:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    My edits

    My edits on medical subjects have been edited without proper explanations, in fact the "explanations" are as bizzare they could be I question the sincerity of wiki in ensuring who can make the edits and which edit stays. The person doesn't appear to be of a medical background and more importantly DOES NOT back his claims but just goes on a reversion rant.

    everything is in titles read if you want cause I'm off this site anyway probably for the good I stopped using it the last time. FlaminMongrel (talk) 13:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm sorry to hear this. Please understand that expertise in a topic area is not required to edit about it, as Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. Have you attempted to discuss your concerns with the other editor? 331dot (talk) 13:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We have been discussing this on talk pages but FlaminMongrel is not satisfied with the result there. This is canvassing. Their comments above are a gross misrepresentation of the facts. I have provided sources to back my comments many times over the years. They are right there on the talk page where we have been discussing. BTW, not that it is a requirement, I am educated as a Physician assistant and Physiotherapist (the latter not in the U.S.), so I have the creds and knowledge to edit medical topics.
    There also seems to be some language difficulty here, as the constant and years-long conflict over the classification of Physiotherapy as an Allied health profession (AHP) is largely from Indian/Pakistani/Arabic IPs and editors. Interestingly, India's National Commission for Allied and Healthcare Professions includes Physiotherapy, so even there we have an official classification of Physiotherapy in India as an AHP. (This is also the wrong venue for this discussion.) -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Using different computers

    I inherited my mom's very old desktop Mac (Apple) computer that is a minimum of fifteen years old. I'm using my almost one year old Mac (Apple) laptop to type this message. I'm encountering problems with logging in on this laptop with my proper credentials that I'm using for the desktop. Why the problem other than the desktop computer being very old. Also, wikipedia's certificates expire, rendering this website useless (it does not allow pictures)(?)on the desktop computer. Please help, thanks. 2601:145:500:FC10:F816:CDF0:E709:AB96 (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry you're having these problems. Please provide details on the steps you're performing and the results you're seeing, so we can try to troubleshoot your issues. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Try to update the browser if it's possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to fix incorrect redirects

    I found an incorrect redirect and am wondering how to fix it. I haven't yet seen a way to do this. The.rob.wolfe (talk) 14:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @The.rob.wolfe: Hello! Please post a link to the redirect. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To edit a Redirect page itself, one way is to enter it in the search bar, and then when the software takes you to the target, there will be a "Redirected from ..." link at the top. If you pick that, it will take you to the redirect page, which you can edit in the usual way. ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But you are too new to evaluate our use of redirects. Please post the link so we can see the circumstances. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Persistent vandalism at Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln

    This page is being targeted a couple of times a day currently, with people removing the word "falsely" from the phrase "falsely attributed to Jews" and similar. This is vile and also time wasting. Would it be possible to semi-protect the page? Jim Killock (talk) 14:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @JimKillock: Hi there! You can submit your request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. GoingBatty (talk) 14:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    thank you! Jim Killock (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    question re current events portal

    i'm trying to figure out how the portal:current events portal works. do editors simply add items to the portal itself? could someone please assist?

    sorry for this basic and somewhat oblivious question. i did look at Wikipedia:How the Current events page works but it doesn't seem to explain how items are simply added to that page. i appreciate any help., thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sm8900, there are a lot of instructions to be followed, but the headlines come from Portal:Current events/Headlines and each day has its own page, which can be edited by clicking edit on that day's section of the portal. TSventon (talk) 14:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Certificates

    On a very old computer (Mac-Apple desktop fifteen years old)I'm noticing this websites certificates expire at a certain time period, then it stops working. Why is this? And, why don't the certificates renew when the time comes for renewal? 2601:145:500:FC10:4DF:F594:BE35:FBDB (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know the answer, but my guess would be that the certificates use features which were invented after that software was issued. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You may get a better answer at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Cullen328 (talk) 20:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Citing sources

    Is there any way to cite the different pages of the same book other than using {{sfn}}? Imperial[AFCND] 15:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @ImperialAficionado: Hello! See Template:R#Inline_invocation. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. It helps a lot. Imperial[AFCND] 15:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bold

    I would like to point out that in the Montepulciano (grape) and Verdicchio pages I removed the bold text from some wines because only some were written in bold while all the others were not; it didn't make sense. Paragraphs: Montepulciano (grape)#Wine regions; Verdicchio#Wine regions. JackkBrown (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for your attention to this sort of detail, Jack. It is good that there is somebody looking at this. What I don't get is why you keep coming here to tell us about it. Be BOLD. ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ColinFine: reason: I'm always afraid of not being 1000‰ perfect. JackkBrown (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Congratulations! You're human, like the rest of us!
    I suggest you read WP:BOLD again. ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown: I did a browser page search (Ctrl+f in Windows browsers) for "bold". Montepulciano (grape)#DOCs and DOCGs says: "The wines of which Montepulciano must account for a majority of the blend are in bold." Verdicchio#DOC regions says: "The wines for which Verdicchio must account for a majority of the blend are in bold." I'm not qualified to judge whether this bolding is appropriate and correct but if the bolding is removed then the explanation must also be removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say that per MOS:BOLD, it is not appropriate to use boldface for this purpose. However, the distinction between required wines and non-required wines should not be lost in the process of removing the boldface. Perhaps an asterisk, superscript or other similar indicator could be used to replace it. CodeTalker (talk) 18:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "majority of the blend are in bold" finds one more hit at Fiano (grape)#Other DOC wines if somebody wants to work on this. It doesn't actually have any bold but one was removed in 2014.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    So, what do we do? JackkBrown (talk) 09:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dunno, what do you think? Do you see now why others have held back from trying to impose absolute consistency across all articles? Sometimes different 'rules' can come into conflict with each other and/or with practicality and common sense: this is why the fifth of Wikipedia's foundational Five pillars is "Wikipedia has no firm rules." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 10:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown: As others have said above, be bold. Do you remember the last ANI discussion that was opened on you, by any chance? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenryuu: obviously, but I didn't write anything about italics or other things that have already been covered extensively. JackkBrown (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are picking at straws with what the general concern users had about your behaviour. We trust you to be competent, more than you do of yourself. If someone has an issue with what you've done they'll either revert it or start a discussion with you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenryuu: you're 100% right, I should trust my abilities more and be braver. JackkBrown (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Steffan Aquarone

    The subject of the Wikipedia article (Steffan Aquarone) is standing for public office as a Parliakmentary Candidate for North Norfolk. His article is unbalanced, and bears little relationship to the truth of his business career. All my changes are factual, a matter of public record. My comments seek to re-balance the article. Aquarone has sought to suppress the truth in a different media outlet. I don’t understand why you have chosen to delete my comments. 2A02:C7C:6BB9:2600:354D:96D:F0C2:CEAE (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello! The reverted edits were unsourced. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If your changes are supported by "the public record", then it should be easy for you to add the references we require. If you have any problems with the formatting of the references, then put your proposed changes on the article's talk page along with some pointers of any sort to the appropriate parts of the "public record", and ask for help in formatting the references. We insist on references because we are all volunteers and do not have a paid staff of researchers and fact checkers. -Arch dude (talk) 18:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have semi-protected Steffan Aquarone for two weeks due to persistent addition of unreferenced negative content in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. Cullen328 (talk) 08:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Once you start a merge request do you have to wait at least a week?

    Because I just realized after starting a merge discussion that no one's posted on either talk page for four years, and I somewhat doubt anyone will respond. Further than that, are there any good guidelines for what constitutes an "uncontroversial merge"? PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think Wikipedia:Be bold might be the nearest guideline. Would suggest giving it at least the weekend now that you've opened the discussion. Have you notified Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California? You might attract participants there. Folly Mox (talk) 01:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Donations

    I want to start donating Jimhpool (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jimhpool: Go to https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Should you have any problems donating, or other questions, please email donate@wikimedia.org. RudolfRed (talk) 00:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Referencing errors on Peter Schreiner (Byzantinist)

    Reference help requested. Need help with Peter Schreiner (Byzantinist). Any help is welcome. ShockedSkater (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC) Thanks, ShockedSkater (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ShockedSkater The main problem with the article is a lack of inline citations. It is important to find citations for the text before translating a foreign language article as it may not be possible to find them later. de Wikipedia in particular does not require as many inline citations as en Wikipedia.
    The error messages are caused by the DNB template, e.g. {{DNB|963445073}}, which is a template for the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek in de Wikipedia, but becomes an incomplete template for the Dictionary of National Biography in en Wikipedia. TSventon (talk) 00:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    {{DNB}} at en.wiki is not a template for the German Deutsche Nationalbibliothek (de:Vorlage:DNB) but rather it is a template for the English Dictionary of National Biography (Template:DNB). Most likely the template that you are looking for at en.wiki is {{DNB-IDN}}.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 01:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Motsetta

    On this page the pronunciation isn't formatted, I'm not very familiar with these things. JackkBrown (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    JackkBrown, please see Template:IPA/doc. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hoary: I fixed it, but I don't know if the pronunciation (Italian: [mɔtseta]) is correct. JackkBrown (talk) 08:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, it's obviously regional, so perhaps not familiar to you. Next time you go to an Italian restaurant, ask the staff – they should know. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    January 12

    HMAT Supply (1759)

    Ref number 15 is in red - is the publisher and date correctly done? I think I got it all wrong. Please fix. thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Fixed. It did not like a range of years so I took out the 2nd one. If you still want both years maybe put in title field? BlueWren0123 (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It now looks a bit odd with the publication date earlier than the event date. What do think is the best solution? BlueWren0123 (talk) 00:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! 175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dr. King

    Why isn't Dr. King's wiki page listed as Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. his entire name, as he holds a doctorate.  24.121.72.18 (talk) 02:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This is simply a style guideline Wikipedia uses on all pages – unless a title is used to form the unambiguous name by which the subject is clearly best known (as in Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa or Father Damien), it is not included in a page title. See WP:TITLESINTITLES. Tollens (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Please help me.

    How do I create an article? Also, I'm sorry if I sound not that intelligent but it's my first time on Wikipedia. Solar Lunar-12 (talk) 03:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Solar Lunar-12 please see WP:YFA. But I would caution you that writing an article is a very difficult task and I would recommend spending time improving existing articles first, so you get used to how Wikipedia works, our policies, guidelines, and style. Qcne (talk) 09:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Never mind I think I know how now.

    Prince William Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh

    Refernce number 14 is all wrong and in a red colour - i have tried but failed to get it right. Please fix if you are able. Thank you175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You have the date as 20024. If you change that to the correct year, the problem should go away. RudolfRed (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you 175.38.42.62 (talk) 06:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How can we help you not make this recurring mistake? You seem to write the year incorrectly quite often. What would help you not do this? Qcne (talk) 09:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This forum is meant to provide occasional help, so that a user can learn from their request and going forward be able to do things themselves. We don't mind helping you, but at some point you need to learn from your mistakes. 331dot (talk) 09:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    331dot, as a former professional editor and proofreader, I am well aware that spotting typos like can be quite difficult for some people without an aptitude for it, even ignoring any barriers like poor eyesight, dyslexia and inadequate display devices that might be in play. The former fad for the whole word method of teaching reading, inimical to spotting single-character errors, can also have a lasting legacy.
    We are familiar with this long-time contributor; generally it takes less time to just correct such reported problems than to try cajoling her into doing something beyond her capacity. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 11:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, as I was not familiar this, but I wonder if a mentor might be beneficial for this user- someone specific who can review their edits. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that spotting typos and other smol errors is not necessarily equally easy for everyone, but when there's an error message right next to the typo saying invalid date it should generally be possible for a person to figure out the problem. Noting for completeness that not all invalid dates are equally trivial, but a year centuries in the future is on the more trivial side.
    And yes, it's much quicker to fix these errors than try to teach this contributor, but another option would be leaving the affected articles in Category:CS1 errors: dates (44) for gnomes to fix organically, instead of posting about each of them at this venue without ever showing signs of improvement. Folly Mox (talk) 13:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The Mayor of Centre Hall, Pennsylvania is LeDon Young.

    The article lists the prior Mayor Ray Hankinson. Elected in November of 2020, and taking office in 2021, LeDon Young is now the Borough's Mayor. 2601:98A:4002:DFA0:0:0:0:9919 (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You're welcome to edit the article to make this update yourself, or if you don't wish to do that, post on the article talk page, Talk:Centre Hall, Pennsylvania and ask editors that more closely follow that article to do so. 331dot (talk) 10:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Option to change language

    I came to read this article : Hamzah Fansuri It seems to me there is no option to change a language! Sometimes I read in English but I need to read in Arabic language as well To go to translation tool, it takes a long time or not working. As much as I know , there is a shift change for languages any time It looks like nowadays the choice of changing languages is missing. I want someone or a moderator here help me and fix the page errors or something is not working. MohammadAA33 (talk) 12:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You can read equivalent articles in other languages' Wikipedias by using the "Languages" section at the foot of the left hand menu bar. David Biddulph (talk) 12:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    MohammadAA33. en Wikipedia has recently adopted a new skin (appearance), there is information on how to choose the old skin at Wikipedia:Vector 2022. Foreign language versions can be accessed by clicking on the word languages at top right, rather than bottom left as in the previous version. The other language versions are written by editors, rather than automatically translated, so Hamzah Fansuri does not currently have an Arabic version. TSventon (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MohammadAA33: here. ——Serial 13:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is the Arabic article corresponding to Nuruddin ar-Raniri. Why did you link to it in a question about Hamzah Fansuri, Serial? ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MohammadAA33 Wikipedia is not a universal tool Try https://translate.google.com 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Draft:Hector Carlos Lora

    Hi! I would like someone to review the Draft:Hector Carlos Lora and give some pointers for improvements. Other editors have mentioned it would likely be denied as it currently is. What are areas where I can improve it for approval? Thank you so much! LMPAJ (talk) 14:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi @LMPAJ. The key thing is if Hector passes the WP:NPOLITICIAN threshold. You will note Mayors aren't inherently notable, so you'd need to prove notability by showing significant press coverage. I can see a lot of sources from North Jersey Media Group, but a lot of these are trivial mentions or routine coverage. I've had a look at the other sources and they suffer from the same issue.
    Are there any sources that talk about Hector (not interviews with him) that are from major regional or national newspapers/TV? Qcne (talk) 16:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Qcne! Thank you so much for reviewing! The North Jersey Media Group serves Bergen, Passaic, Morris, and Essex counties, so it is a significant regional newspaper in North Jersey. Here are some articles from them that are more focused:
    1. Passaic Mayor Hector Lora Invites Homeless to Third Annual Super Bowl Party (this one was also covered by News12 from the Bronx here)
    2. Lora promises to work for unity as mayor of Passaic
    3. Acting mayor grapples with Passaic's legacy of scandals
    4. Passaic's Dignity House for homeless residents recognized by Gov. Murphy
    Additionally, I found substantial coverage from Univision, an international news outlet:
    1. Hector Lora, El Dominicano Que Fue Elegido Como Alcalde de Passaic, Nueva Jersey
    2. Hector Lora Habla Sobre su Lucha Contra La Corrupcion y de Como se Acerca a la Comunidad para Escuchar Sus Peticiones
    3. Héctor Carlos Lora Dominicano Alcalde de Passaic, New Jersey rescata desamparados (this one also was covered by Daily Voice here)
    As a supplemental resource, there's a profile from Good Chronicle:
    1. Hector Carlos Lora – Making a Difference as the Second Dominican-American Mayor of the City of Passaic
    Notably, he was reelected in 2021 with a record 88% of the votes, indicating his substantial impact and recognition within a community that is over 70% Latino (which explains the coverage from Univision). I would also like to highlight that the regular coverage of Passaic's initiatives by North Jersey Media Group are a reflection of Mayor Lora's policies.
    Let me know if this is enough! If it's not, then it might just be time to give up the article. Thank you for all your help!!! LMPAJ (talk) 18:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @LMPAJ: I don't think we can know whether the regular coverage is a reflection of the mayor's policies and/or a reflection of the mayor's press office and/or something else. We just write articles based on what the reliable published source have written. GoingBatty (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am referring to the regular coverage mentioned by Qcne in their first reply to the thread, which are part of the current draft, rather than just general regular coverage of Passaic. Hope that helps! LMPAJ (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, LMPAJ. I don't see anywhere where Qcne referred to "regular coverage", and I'm not sure that that would be relevant anyway. What Qcne was talking about is significant coverage, as opposed to trivial or routine mentions. ColinFine (talk) 20:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An article on the incumbent mayor of a town with 70,537 people might not satisfy WP:NPOLITICIAN. Unless you can find significant coverage of the subject in the popular press, as editor Qcne has suggested, it is unlikely that the draft article would pass WP:AfC, and that an accepted draft would survive a community review at WP:AfD.
    If I can offer an alternative approach:
    I hope this offers some food for thought! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Level 4+ headings

    I was looking at Hamilton High School (Chandler, Arizona) today and noticed that some of the sections under athletics (such as "football" and the following "history" section) have fourth- and fifth-level headings, but there seems to be no visual distinction between these. They are reflected properly in the ToC and HTML, but have the same font size and weight, which makes it visually difficult to see the hierarchy while looking at the article. Is there anything to do here? Is there a general guideline that this many nested headings is discouraged? Is it worth splitting out, say, the athletics section to its own heading? LittlePuppers (talk) 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @LittlePuppers: Up to level 6 is possible. "level 7" syntax makes a level 6 heading where the header text starts and ends with '='. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Headings and sections does not discourage level 5 and 6. They look the same as level 4 in the default skin Vector 2022 and the previous default Vector legacy but they are different in MonoBook and Timeless at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Reusers of our content may also make them different. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah I realize they're possible and didn't see anything obviously against them. I guess the two Vector skins were the only ones I looked at, I'm not a huge fan of them looking the same though. LittlePuppers (talk) 23:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @LittlePuppers: So how do you suggest they should look? Bazza (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Level 4, 5 and 6 are normal size text but just bold in Vector. Level 4 and 5 are larger in MonoBook and Timeless. The English Wikipedia could change header styling in Vector but level 5 and 6 are rarely used and I don't see a need. You can change it for yourself with code like below in your CSS. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    div#content h4 {font-size:116%}
div#content h5 {font-size:108%}
div#content h6 {font-size:100%}

    Level 3

    Level 4

    Level 5
    Level 6

    Level b (bold non-header for comparison)

    @Bazza 7: I have no clue, I am very lacking in design skills. PrimeHunter's suggestion seems better than nothing. (It's obviously not a huge issue, though.) LittlePuppers (talk) 17:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For completeness, in Minerva, subheading levels five and six render as normal text, neither boldfaced nor embiggened. For this reason, I prefer the "bold non-header" (newline + initial ;).
    I've seen level five in the wild (History of China), which already connotes to me that perhaps a restructure is indicated. Level six even more so: it's probably better to flatten or reorganise the prose than to customise header stylings at this point. Folly Mox (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The semicolon markup is not for making bold text or pseudo headings. Don't do newline + initial ;. See MOS:PSEUDOHEAD.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see the line-initial semicolon markup is reserved for <dt>...</dt> and the MOS guidance recommends boldfacing through standard markup for pseudoheadings. Fair enough, and thanks for the correction. Folly Mox (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How do i create Page

    I want to add new pages, how do i create it? Industrial Tools (talk) 22:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Industrial Tools, see WP:Your first article - but note that writing an article is hard, and that you should not try to write an article for the point of promoting something. LittlePuppers (talk) 22:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your guidelines. Industrial Tools (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If i want to make a Page of a company and write about their legacy and details about it. will that be taken as a point of promoting ? Industrial Tools (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Industrial Tools, writing an article about a company won't be taken as inherently promotional. However, if the company in question is named "Industrial Tools" (or if you happen to be associated with any companies named Industrial Tools, even if you don't plan on writing about them), you should first file a request to change your username.
    Before writing the article, please read WP:NCORP to check the company is notable enough to have an article.
    Also, if you are at all associated with the company, such as as an employee, please read about conflicts-of-interest and disclose your relation (If you're paid to edit Wikipedia, please also read WP:PAID). Please let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 23:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    New page

    How to start a new page Brandonsmall1 (talk) 23:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Brandonsmall1: You're going to want to read Your first article, and I would not recommend doing so as a new user until you've had experience editing preexisting pages on here and what policies users are expected to follow on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    January 13

    Alfredo Ferrari

    Does it make sense to include the "Unreferenced" template on this page? There are many notes and two bibliographies, but no real references. JackkBrown (talk) 10:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    There are (currently) 22 references cited; it so happens that the section title "Notes" rather than "References" has been used, but that does not change their nature – retitle it if it bothers you.
    A greater problem might be that 19 of these are to the same publication (the second of the two bibliographies listed, and the first is more recent and is from the same publisher, so may not be entirely independent of the first). It would be useful to cite some references (or "notes") from other sources, if they exist. I'd guess that there are probably more Italian-language reliable sources about this subject available than there are in English. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 11:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown if you cannot read Italian you could ask WT:WikiProject Italy to help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dodger67: I'm Italian. JackkBrown (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Quicker way to cite reports?

    Hi, I've been citing reports on several pages, and wondering if there is a quicker way to do it that I am at present. I am (mostly) using the visual editor, clicking the cite button at the top, then under manual click basic, then click the plus symbol and template, type "cite report" to get the link to the template to then fill in the fields. This seems slightly convoluted, so asking if there is an easy way. Thanks, Donald Drnoble (talk) 11:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Drnoble: If the report is online then you could try "Automatic" instead of "Manual". I doubt "Automatic" can pick Cite report but if the result is not as good then change the used template name in the source editor afterwards. Then change or add some of the parameters documented at Template:Cite report. Most parameters are the same. I haven't tried this myself and don't know the typical result or the effort to improve it compared to starting with a manual Cite report. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I use the automatic cite for webpages, but I've never been able to get it work with a report, and since they are typically PDF files, it can take a while before it fails. Thanks for the suggestion though, and adding this reply in case it helps anyone else. Drnoble (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't have to deal with the toolbar at all if you enter templates by typing {{ anywhere in the visual editor. Reconrabbit 15:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I though I had tried that and it didn't work. But I've just tested again and it does exactly what I want. Thanks again. Drnoble (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Deleting user-space articles?

    Because I like to work on drafts of different articles at the same time, I was a bit silly and created some non-generic username articles for sandboxing. The first of these, User:IgnatiusofLondon/1916 Rimini earthquake, is now in the mainspace (1916 Rimini earthquakes). How can I delete the userspace article? (I saw PROD can be applied on articles only.) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 13:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    IgnatiusofLondon You can request speedy deletion of pages you have written, see WP:G7. TSventon (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you!! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @IgnatiusofLondon: WP:U1 can also be used for your own userspace. Many editors move a draft with the whole page history so only a redirect is left behind. You may think some of the old revisions look bad in an article history but others may want to see how the article developed, and it proves your authorship if an external site makes an undated copy of the finished article without attributing the source. This can become important if somebody later suspects it is the Wikipedia article which is a copyright violation of the external site. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Substitution of templates on a user page

    I seem to be unable to substitute templates from the user namespace. How can I do it? Brennan Everette (🗣️ | ⏳) 21:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    To substitute {{User:Sandbox/sandbox}}, write {{subst:User:Sandbox/sandbox}}. This gives me "foobar", so it seems to be working. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Brennan Everette: Please always be specific when you have a problem. If code doesn't work then link or show the code. If you wonder why [2] fails then you wrote lowercase uw-agf2 in User:Brennan Everette/Warnings/uw-agf2. User:Brennan Everette/Warnings/uw-agf2 doesn't exist. You used uppercase U in User:Brennan Everette/Warnings/Uw-agf2. The first character in page names is case insensitive but all characters are case sensitive in a subpage part of the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, why cant i delete content from a page?

    I was hired by a person to edit their wikipedia page. However, an error pops up, I cant save the edits because im not allowed to delete some sentances? Please help. Bojanasormaz (talk) 23:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Bojanasormaz: Hello! Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please also read WP:PAID and WP:BOSS. In short, your client does not own the Wikipedia article about them, and does not control its content. They, or you, may request edits to the article, once you have made the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor. ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    January 14

    Book sourcing

    I have several large books from Dark Horse on The Legend of Zelda I'd like to use as sources for an article. The problem is, there are several authors, and the translator has some credit for some reason. How do I format this? Blitzfan51 speak to the manager 01:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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