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Bare reference notices with dead links

Hello,

I do backlog cleaning, and there are many articles that are tagged with using bare references, but all of the bare references are are dead links with no archived copy. What I have done in the past is mark the link as dead, and removed the bare reference notice. Is this the correct practice?

Thanks! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, EatingCarBatteries. Many people assume a link is dead when it may in fact have simply had its url changed by the website owner. So long as you are aware of this and attempt to 'Google' the relevant keywords that are likely to be found in the cited article's title (based upon the factual statement being referenced), then this seems an appropriate way to go. But I do see many people who assume a source cannot be found when, in fact, with a bit of effort and technical ability, a new source can be located for some of them. More info at Wikipedia:Link rot and Wikipedia:DEADREF. Hope this helps. Others here may have a different approach to suggest, of course! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Nick Moyes. It is far better to search for and add a reliable source than to remove plausible content just because a URL is dead. Cullen328 (talk) 20:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@EatingCarBatteries, just in case you weren't aware, since it looks to me like you're working on this task manually, there are some extensions that make finding archives much easier, such as this Chrome extension. There's also IABot and citation bot. -- asilvering (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I do commonly use those but I do alot of the ones which the bots can't pick up. EatingCarBatteries (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Watch list showing everything

Has anyone else had the problem where all the watchlist settings (All, pages, talk, and other) all show all the same info?

Mine has started doing this several days ago. Thus, info on my watchlist pages is buried in a mass of Teahouse and talk entries. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Bluenose Gunner! Is the box for "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" checked in advanced options under the Watchlist tab in your Preferences? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. No. Ot is not. Any suggestions? Bluenose Gunner (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you on the mobile site, or desktop? When I go to the mobile version, my watchlist shows every edit as its own entry. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Good morning.

Thank you for your comment. I am on a mobile device.

Previously, when I was in the watchlist Page tab I saw simply the changes made to pages on my watchlist. I had to go to another tab to see Teahouse and Talk comments.

Now, everything shows up regardless of which tab I am in. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 12:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the https://en.m.wikipedia.org watchlist does that for me too for all pages/talk/other sections. No idea how long it's been going on. If you switch the desktop view (there's a button on the bottom of the page) is that a workable fix for you? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

How to suggest a new "page" or "article" for Wikipedia?

A distinguished physician from New York will turn age 100 in the next few weeks. Several persons who have known and worked with him over many decades have assembled a "page" or "article" of the length approximating what appears in Wikipedia for persons of similar professional status and importance. Where do we submit this for consideration by your editors? GHDeFriese (talk) 01:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GHDeFriese. Your project presents significant problems regarding copyright. Wikipedia keeps an archive of every edit, including all edits to drafts and articles. Each editor agrees to freely license their copyrighted work with each edit they make. How can we know which specific person wrote each of the words, phrases and sentences in your draft? How do we know that all those people freely licensed their writing? Another issue is whether or not this physician is a Notable person. Being distinguished and 100 years old is not enough. Cullen328 (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I think one could reasonably respond to the "How can we know which specific person ... ?" question above with "We can't, just as we can't for most edits to Wikipedia." Unusually, your user page tells us who you are---but the skeptically inclined could object that no, it describes a person in the real world, but this person may be a fiction. Entire featured articles can be, and sometimes are, constructed anonymously. (However there are indeed other problems with this proposal.) 126.254.171.63 (talk) 04:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Edits from IP addresses are attributed to those IP addresses. IP editors agree to the free licensing and terms of the attribution when they click "Publish". That is standard and commonplace. But a draft that has been written off-Wikipedia by several people who have not freely licensed their work presents problems. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Aside from the issue of attribution, a compliation of personal anecdotes would not add up to an encyclopedia article. This sounds more like, letter to the editor type content that a local newspaper would be interested in. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GHDeFriese, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that D'n'B's point is the one that first occurs to me: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

GHDeFriese There's something else you need to know. Should these several people manage to submit something that could be accepted as an article in Wikipedia, that article would then be open to being edited by anybody at all. And if those edits are relevant and well-supported in reliable, independent sources, there's nothing these several people can do to stop them. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Trying to shorten yet provide access to a long list of publications & other material

I'm working on an article about a prolific author with a LOT of published books and articles, as well as awards, podcasts, recorded interviews, etc. I know it would be anathema to weigh down a Wiki article with such a long list, especially because not everything on the list will be cited in my article. But I want interested readers to be able to access them. So, my questions:

1. Do I understand correctly that it's okay to provide a link to a complete list at an outside website? (which I'd divide into categories for ease of reading)
2. If so, are there any restrictions on the type of website, since the link will lead outside Wikipedia? Like, for instance, could the outside website not be one run by a 3rd party (perhaps even the author's own website)?

(No, the article I'm working on is not in my sandbox.) Augnablik (talk) 12:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Two approaches: Include in article Robert Bly or have a Selected works in an article and a separate bibliography article Mark Twain bibliography. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: I'm intrigued by the second of the two approaches you're suggesting, creating a separate article within Wikipedia just for the author's published works and other materials. I never knew this sort of thing was an option. Is it very common in Wikipedia? But to be honest, I'm not sure I favor the idea because it would create what I'll call "Wiki clutter," for want of a better term.

Your first approach is one I wouldn't think Wikipedia would want, a pretty hefty list of publications only a few of which were cited in the article about the author.

What did you think about my question asking if I could create — in addition to a list of references I use within the article — a link to an outside website where the author's entire oeuvre could appear? (and would there be any restrictions on the type of website)? Augnablik (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can: see WP:ELYES. But note that the site must be "neutral and accurate". Commercial sites (those that exist for the purpose of selling things) should not normally be linked. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Another example: Kurt Vonnegut and Kurt Vonnegut bibliography. The main article still has an extensive (complete?) list, the bibliography has a bit more information about each item. For an EXTREME example, Isaac Asimov lists much of his work and there are five (!!) bibliography articles. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yikes, David notMD ... that is indeed an "EXTREME example."

I understand from your feedback that I could create a secondary Wiki article to house the complete list of this author's publications, but I just don't feel comfortable with it. It feels somewhat disjointed to me to have secondary articles just to catch publication overflow. And artificial. But I appreciate your comments. Augnablik (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you ... so often you come up with very useful information in response to my help requests. I went to WP:ELYES and under "What can normally be linked," item 1, I found that "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person (boldface mine), website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site (again, boldface mine), if any."

This would seem to say that if the author has a complete list of his publications, etc., at his personal website, and that his website is not commercial, it could be linked to the Wiki article about him. Just to be sure, I delved further into WP:ELYES and found, under "Links to be considered," item 4, I found "Sites "that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources."

So @Colin (or other senior editors) ... combining both pieces of WP:ELYES guidance, it seems to me that I have the green light I was hoping for. Am I correct about that, so I needn't go through further hoops? Augnablik (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Since my assumption of May 5 hasn't been objected to, it would seem that it is in fact acceptable for the lengthy complete list of the author's publications I've described to be housed on his own website, even though a personal site couldn't be used for informational citations, and linked to from the Wikipedia article. I hope this is true, as it would beautifully solve the publication "housing issues" I've laid on the table here. Augnablik (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

My SVG has glitched because I don't know, I just used a mapchart map of 1830 to make my US flag map from 1822 to 1836, And I masked the flag, However, The SVG became invisible, the problem is so hard to fix that I just gave up. I asked some people to help me on Stack Overflow, They gave me some tips on how to fix it, It didn't work. So you guys are the only hope for me to fix it. (i have no idea if i should link my image here...) MJGTMKME123 (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

...why is nobody responding. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123, possibly because no one who understands how to help has seen it yet; we're all volunteers, here. Yes, you can link the image if you think it will help. Valereee (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. c:File:Flag_Map_of_the_United_States_(1822-1836).svg MJGTMKME123 (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123 The experts on .svg images have their own Help Pages at WP:SVG help. You should post details there and I'm sure you will get good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of Indian history

Does anyone know of a script that will remove table formatting and convert it to a simple list? I've been contacted via the mentorship module about this article, and, well, it's immediately obvious why my mentee is experiencing difficulty.

If there isn't one, which I suspect is the case, if anyone here has the time and inclination to reformat this article, that would be a worthy endeavour. Disclosure: I did post about it on WP:INDIA before it occurred to me to ask here about a userscript. -- asilvering (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Aneta Corsaut Pic Update

I’m not tech savvy but I am a fan of The Andy Griffith Show. Can someone please update the main picture of Aneta Corsaut on her page? The current picture of her is TERRIBLE and not from The Andy Griffith Show, but from its short-run spinoff, Mayberry RFD. She does not look like herself AT ALL in that picture or like her character Helen Crump from The Andy Griffith Show. It’s almost like someone purposely picked the worst picture of her ever. I’m hoping someone can make it right and pick a picture where she actually looks like her normal self from The Andy Griffith Show. The picture on Rotten Tomatoes is great and she actually looks like herself and her most well-known character, Helen Crump. TIA

Aneta Corsaut Page KatAmalia (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KatAmalia. The problem, as usual with images, is finding one whose copyright status is acceptable. That one, File:Aneta Corsaut Mayberry RFD 1969 (cropped).jpg, says it is public domain because it was published in the US without a copyright notice before 1977. But in most places, and in the US since 1977, copyright is automatic, so images have to be explicitly released (either to the public domain or under a licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA in order to be uploaded to Commons.

Having said that, Wikipedia does allow non-free images as long as their use complies with all the criteria in WP:NFCC.

However, no 1 of those criteria is Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Since the current image is free (public domain) in order to use any non-free image in that article, you would have to argue that this image does not serve the same encyclopaedic purpose as the one you wanted to use - and I think you would find this hard.

So, in order to replace the image, somebody would need to

1. Either find a free image of her, and upload it to Commons, or
2. Find a non-free image, and upload it to Wikipedia, justifying this by arguing successfully that it served an encyclopaedic purpose that the current image does not. (And all the other non-free criteria as well).

I think it is unlikely that anybody else is going to be willing to do this - you're the one that wants it. I also think it's unlikely to be successful - but I could be wrong. Perhaps there's another pre-1977 picture which did not claim copyright that can be used, or even an image that for some reason the copyright holder released (perhaps a fan snapped her at some event and has put the picture up on flickr under a suitable licence).

But I think you are going to have to do the leg-work of looking for a suitable picture. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this to me. Lots of parameters for images on Wikipedia that I never knew existed! I will be working on finding a more suitable picture within those guidelines in order to get the page updated. Again, thank you for the info! 2001:5B0:210B:9838:64F7:6BE7:CE7C:EB35 (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Updating an existing entry

At my boss' request, I am trying to update his entry in Wikipedia. I'm not even sure where to start as I tried adding a paragraph and it wasn't posted. THumphreySFE (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@THumphreySFE: Please read Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@THumphreySFE: Welcome to the Teahouse. Additionally, if you plan to continue contributing to the article on your boss, you are expected to disclose your paid relationship, usually on your user page at User:THumphreySFE. You should also not directly edit the article, and instead use the talk page (Talk:Dave Sullivan (American football)) to submit edit requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

thank you. I'll try that. THumphreySFE (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, THumphreySFE. I'm sorry you have been given such a difficult task (I'm sure neither of you realised how difficult). The thing to note is that your addition was wholly unsourced - that's why it was removed.

Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Your knowledge of his career - and even his own knowledge of his career - may not be put into a Wikipedia article unless there is a reliably published source which backs up what is said - and it is your responsibility to find that source. Moreover, unless it is uncontroversial factualy information like dates and locations, it needs to be supported by a source wholly unconnected with Sullivan or the Browns.

If you make an edit request to add unsourced material, it is likely to be refused. ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Brisbane South State Secondary College

How can I get help with creating a draft for an article? I really think this article needs to exist, but I don't have the time and resources to create it on my own.

I need as much help as I can get with creating Draft:Brisbane South State Secondary College.

I think this article needs to exist due to the fact that it is the newest and most modern state school in South East Queensland (from what I'm aware, atleast), and there isn't an article for the school yet, while there is for most of the other state schools in South East Queensland.

It has also received many awards and is the most modern state school I've seen in Australia.

It would really help if other editors would be able to help me build this draft! You don't need to ask me, feel free to simply just build upon the draft! Zion @InformZion (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@InformZion: You need to find sources that are independent of the school that will show it meets WP:NSCHOOL. All the references so far are from the school itself. If it is a new school, then maybe WP:TOOSOON applies. RudolfRed (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Teahouise Hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors or reference finders. David notMD (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

InformZion, an acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what published sources that are entirely independent of the topic say about the topic. And yet the references in your draft are all affiliated directly with the Brisbane South State Secondary College. You are the one motivated to write about this topic, and presumably, you are more familiar with the reliable local media outlets in your area than the vast majority of Wikipedia editors from the US, the UK, Canada and New Zealand and other English speaking areas worldwide. Am I right? What is so interesting and unique about this article about an educational institution in an Australian state capital that would draw in editors from all over the world to help you? Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How to cite source

I'm editing List of cathedrals in the United States. I can't upload photos obviously, for i can't take the only available photos in internet or social media. It's much hard too that i can't cite my source or be able to place the integrates of the locations i'm trying to enter in this list. I don't think i'll be ever able to place fully the details i'm trying to enter, so i hope anyone who can place the citations and integrates may be too kind to do it instead for me. I also intend to do similar new entries in related lists so i hope you will keep up and bear patience with me on this. Thanks guys! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@JorizMingoyMontes: WP:REFB is a useful guide on learning to cite sources. But, please clarify your question, as I don't understand how citing a source related to uploading photos. RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Kenya settlements

So I was on suggested edits, and as someone who wants to improve Africa articles, I naturally selected Africa as my sole option along with finding references for Africa. Well, I’ve done this for like 1 month and something that really bugs me is the amount of Kenya settlements without any real info. It’s like, “This article does not cite any sources. April 2006.” And the text is just “Example is a Kenyan settlement.” I really think there should be a way to mass delete this articles. Out of 5 i searched up, 4/5 turned up no good results. 48JCL talk 01:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @48JCL and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you're looking for a group nomination at AfD. There are instructions at WP:MULTIAFD. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The notability criteria for settlements states "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable" which does result in a lot of very small articles on very small settlements (not just in Kenya or just in Africa). This bugs me too. A "mass deletion" would probably require a tweak to those criteria which would require a community consensus. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes but all of these articles have no citations 48JCL talk 11:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe that early in Wikipedia's development, the notability criterion quoted above by DandelionAndBurdock having been agreed on by consensus, very many place entries were first created automatically by uploading date from online gazetteers. It would be good if editors had gone through all of them and added information and citations to further appropriate sources, as I am sure has already been done for many, but given the numbers completing this is a considerable task.

Deleting all such entries instead would be one approach, but it would, as said, require consensus to be reached first. My own view is that it would be contrary to the Project's broad aims, and adding further information rather than deleting sparse entries, though more difficult, should be preferred. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 12:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Being currently uncited is not, currently, a critereon for deletion. I do see the concern, and I've got some idea of how I would approach it - but I think that might need to be discussed in a different venue than the Teahouse. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Not notable enough however 48JCL talk 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Currently, according the existing notability guidelines, they are notable enough. I think WP:VPP would be one of the more appropriate places to float changing that. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox scientist

i am creating a page (new user), using infox scientist template. i don't know how to upload the image i have into the image part of the template. ?

Draft:J Robin Moon Ihyen2024 (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ihyen2024: You can use Wikipedia:File upload wizard to upload the image to commons and then put the image name into the image parameter of the template. Since images are optional, I suggest focus on the content of the draft first, and then images can be added. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

thank you!

i did upload to commons. but don't seem to know how to work the image parameter - there's no button to upload into that parameter box. but i appreciate your suggestion to do this later 2600:1700:5B20:8210:B410:1414:12B4:3189 (talk) 02:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Images do not contribute to establishing Wikipedia notability. Get your draft article (not 'page') approved first, and then worry about adding an image. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ihyen2024: the image you uploaded, File:Robin-Moon.jpg, will be deleted soon for missing permission. "Source owner shared with me" is not going to be enough. To provide proof of the license you need to have the copyright owner (who is usually the photographer, not the subject) send a c:COM:VRT permission (you can use c:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator to make it easier). MKFI (talk) 11:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ihyen2024. In addition to what's been posted above about the licensing of the file you uploaded, please understand that the copyright of a photo, in principle, belongs to the photographer taking the photo and not the subject of photo; so, if Robin Moon didn't somehow take this photo herself (which kind of looks to be the case), then her permission is irrelevant to Commons. What's needed in such a case is the permission of the person who took the photo. So, you should try to find out from her who took the photo, and ask her to have that person (if she's also not the photographer) to email their c:COM:CONSENT to Wikimedia VRT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Much appreciated 2600:1700:5B20:8210:2DC6:4C0:26A9:D709 (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't add topics to some talk pages

Some talk pages, like Talk:National African Religion Congress and Talk:List of cities in Maharashtra by population don't have an "add topic" button on the talk page. Why is this and how do I fix this? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Go to the lowermost topic. Click to edit it. Leave it as it is, but on a line below it, add '== [topic title] ==', hit Enter, and start your msg. 126.254.231.65 (talk)

What if there's no topic on the talk page? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IndianEmperor7. You can also go to the very top of the page and click on "New section". -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I do it on mobile? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 10:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The mobile version/app in my opinion is great for reading, not so much for editing(though it is possible to edit from it and some users may know some tips) as it is not fully functional. When I am on a device I use the full desktop version in a browser. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Move from the workshop to Atar Meiner

Hello, could you move this article from my workshop to this New article Atar Meiner. Please --GiladSeg (talk) 04:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@GiladSeg: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you think it's ready for mainspace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page so that a reviewer can look at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I did it, is it expected too much or not?--GiladSeg (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GiladSeg, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you have not yet submitted it for review. I have added a header to it with a button to help you do so. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for Inviting me to the Tee House!

I have trying to create a new article in Sandbox, with the relevant news and article, however this gets rejected again and again. I am very careful while using the source, reference and links. Also, these are very neutral articles. Kingofports (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kingofports Welcome to the Teahouse! Taking User:Kingofports/sandbox as an example. You need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on that. "Mr. Tanti is an Indian businessman known for his contributions to the renewable energy sector, particularly in wind energy. He is recognized for his leadership role in Suzlon Energy, a prominent renewable energy company in India." is slightly WP:PUFFERY, and uncited. And we don't write Mr. in our articles, unless quoting.

But your first and most important hurdle is WP:NOTABILITY. You need independent WP:RS, the company website is only good for some WP:ABOUTSELF. And the Energy World makes me wonder if WP:NEWSORGINDIA is an issue here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You have created three drafts. Two, each with only one sentence, have been Declined (Draft:Girish Tanti and Draft:Karan Adani), and the Sandbox Declined and then Rejected. None or these have any references to support these people being notable in the Wikiupedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kingofports. Writing an article starts with finding sources that are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject (see WP:42 for more detail). If you cannot find several such sources, then you will know that there is no point spending any more time on this subject, because it will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Can a source be removed, because there is no free access to it?

Can sources be cited to publications/newspapers which do not have free access. Should these sources be removed? Some of the sources were removed for citations from the Hindu newspaper, so need a clarification. Thanks! Davidindia (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:PAYWALL says no they should not be- but they're not preferred since it's hard to verify for the average editor. But could you imagine Wikipedia if none of us could cite books, or the New York Times, or archival documents?

We also don't delete sources just because the link goes dead- we just try to find a new reference that supports the material unless there's some other reason to take it out. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Davidindia. There is no restriction on using reliable sources hidden behind paywalls. Some of our most widely cited reliable sources are behind paywalls. Some that come immediately to mind are the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal for a more conservative take, and the Washington Post The Los Angeles Times is especially important for major show business topics. As should be obvious, I am an American. Verifiability does not require free and easy access to sources. It requires only that the sources be accessible with reasonable effort, which might require travel to a specialized library or subscription to a paywalled source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

HI Cullen328, thanks a lot! Davidindia (talk) 08:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

how to edit

i am not logged in how to do 124.150.64.100 (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds to me like that you want to edit an article that is protected from editing by IP users/new accounts; you should be able to use the article talk page to propose edits to the article for an editor with the appropriate credentials to make. For example, the talk page for Joe Biden is at Talk:Joe Biden. 331dot (talk) 08:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Can I Claim My Old Edits

I have edited Wikipedia for a while, and I made a few changes before I made an account. Is there any way I can claim those edits, or not? IHaveNoIdea25 (talk) 08:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to merge account edit histories; the only thing you can do is write on your user page that you used a prior account(example, "Hi I am IHaveNoIdea25, I previously used the account User1234") 331dot (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Your user page is User:IHaveNoIdea25. Since you were not logged in, you can link the IP address, e.g. "See Special:Contributions/24.126.165.174 for my edits before creating an account." You may have used multiple IP addresses. They will be in the page history of the pages you edited. Some users with privacy concerns don't want their IP address to be known. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Publishing an article of which the name is currently a redirect.

I am almost finished writing a draft on the autistic trait of special interests, and currently "special interest" is a redirect to special interest groups. Is it okay for me to turn the redirect into a disabiguation page? Do I need to discuss this on a talk page first? I understand that special interest groups are the primary topic here but am still unsure how to proceed. Thank you a lot for any help! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 09:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Notcharizard. If there are only two articles and one of them is a primary topic then we usually don't make a disambiguation page but just a hatnote on the primary topic. Special interest redirects to Special interest group which already has the hatnote {{Redirect|Special interest|restricted interests in autism and similar conditions|Autism spectrum#Features and characteristics}}. Just change that to target whatever the new article is called. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

So it would be okay to make "special interest" no longer redirect to "special interest groups"? Sorry, I just don't want to get into any trouble with anyone. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 10:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: I mean to make a new target in the hatnote, e.g. {{Redirect|Special interest|restricted interests in autism and similar conditions|Special interest (autism)}} to produce:

"Special interest" redirects here. For restricted interests in autism and similar conditions, see Special interest (autism).

You are free to reword "restricted interests in autism and similar conditions". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Youtube documentry as source

Can a YouTube video (e.g. this one) that is from an official and reliable channel, covering the production of a film, be used as a source? DinSolo (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DinSolo: YouTube is just a platform, so the reliability or otherwise of the content depends on the channel and the original source. If we're talking eg. BBC News, and the clip is on BBC's own official channel, that is considered a reliable source, even on YouTube. If we're talking Russia Today, that's a deprecated source, and cannot be used no matter whose channel it's on. If we're talking BBC news, but the channel isn't BBC, then it could be reliable as long as the content hasn't been edited or doctored in any way, but it would be better to find that same content on BBC's own channel and cite that. (I say this in a generic sense, without commenting on whether Think Music India is a reliable source.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Think Music is a musiclabel, so they may be regarded as a reliable sources only for uncontroversial factual information about themselves and their issues: see WP:ABOUTSELF. It makes no difference what medium or platform their publications are on. ColinFine (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Also have a look at Wikipedia:YOUTUBE; copyright might be a problem. Lectonar (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Link in a different language?

Hello. Recently I was attempting to use a tool here at WP to help resize an image. But when I clicked on it in WP:IMAGERES here: this tool it is actually in a foreign language. Did I redirect by mistake? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 13:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maineartists There's a bit of history to the situation. Basically the original resize tool ("image-resize-calc") was made by User:Jbarta, but they left Wikipedia in 2014 and the tool fell into disrepair (going directly to its Toolforge link gives a 503 error). User:Wcam forked the tool for his bot on zh-wiki and also made a web interface, which is what you're accessing here. In this discussion, Wcam suggested using either this archived version of Jbarta's tool or another remake of it which unfortunately seems to have also been disabled by now. I'll add the archive version to WP:IMAGERES so that other's don't get confused in the future. Liu1126 (talk) 15:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

One can (relatively) easily recreate such a tool using its source code, which is available through the browser's 'view source' functionality on the archived Jbarta's tool. Wcam (talk) 16:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I make story on some one on Wikipedia?

mo 96.87.138.205 (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a site for encyclopedic articles, not stories. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If you want to write an article about someone notable, please see WP:YFA and WP:BLP. We usually suggest you get some experience editing existing articles before you start a new one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

First article

Hello all,

I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and have mostly been making small edits to pages here and there, but I am planning on starting a new article about a South African poem that doesn't have much of an online presence. Do you have any advice for starting my first page? Anything I should avoid?

Thanks a lot! Roosterchz (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Roosterchz. I would recommend that first time article creators go through the Articles for Creation process which would allow you to get feedback from experienced editors when you submit draft articles for review.

My key advice is to ensure that the poem is notable. Read carefully our notability guidelines. Only topics that have significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable published sources can meet that notability criteria - so if the poem does not have much of an online presence it might not be notable. However, sources do not have to be online and you can reference offline texts and books and such.

A lower barrier of entry might be to make an article on the poet? It's generally easier to find good sources that satisfy the notability policy for people vs general topics.

In any case, if you do go down the AfC route let me know and I can review when you decide to submit it. Qcne (talk) 14:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey there Qcne, thanks for the timely response.

The poet already has an article (un)fortunately, his name is Guy Butler, I found the poem on page 320 of a book on South African writings.

Do you think this source is acceptable? Also, do you think the poem would be relevant enough with this added context?

Here is an amazon link to the book:

[1]https://www.amazon.com/Captured-Time-Centuries-African-Writing/dp/1868423786 Roosterchz (talk) 17:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You can certainly cite a book, and that book looks reasonable enough as long as it provides significant coverage of the poem i.e. analysis, commentary, discussion, debate - not just printing the poem without any further context.

We would require more than one source, however, to establish notability for the poem. Three is our usual minimum. So three sources that are independent of one another, and that each provide significant coverage of the poem and discuss it in some way. Qcne (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to find a few other sources.

The book does indeed offer analysis on it, I think there is a brief discussion on JSTOR as well.

Another question is, what would be an appropriate length for an article on a subject such as this?

Thanks again mate.

-Roosterchz Roosterchz (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The length entirely depends on the sources you can find. The content of a Wikipedia article is the paraphrasing or summarisation of those independent reliable sources, so if the source is long and in-depth, it's logical the article will be too.

We do have articles called WP:STUBS which are so short they don't provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject. It's rare for stubs to come through the AfC pipeline, and when they do I only accept them if it is very obvious they meet the notability requirements either through inherent notability (poems, unfortunately, don't have inherent notability) or the sources are really strong. Qcne (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Citing

Do I need to use English or other language for citing? Bobbipedia (talk) 13:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bobbipedia, welcome to the Teahouse. All articles on the English Wikipedia must be written in English, but the sources you use to reference your edits can be of any language. Qcne (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bobbipedia: See WP:NONENG. Bazza 7 (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Book citation

I am citing a book that I am reading thanks to the internet archive, how can I put the link in my cite book citation ? I tryied using "|link=" but it doesn't seem to work... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1222555575 Maxime12346 (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If it is just a printed book that you are just reading online, you don't need to provide a weblink. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maxime12346 For future reference, as {{cite book}} says, the correct parameter is |url= not |link=. There is some benefit in providing the link for the convenience of readers, provided it doesn't infringe the copyright of the book's author. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments on talk page

How's this fair to remove someone's comments from the talk section? [2] While I know that a user is free to remove and drafting any comments from their talk pages, but any user can misuse it by just saying false accusations. Moreover the user has removed my comment from other user talk page [3]. Jonharojjashi (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonharojjashi.

Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages. You both seem to be involved in a content dispute, and I would recommend assuming good faith and following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Qcne (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jonharojjashi: To add to the above, unless the revisions in particular are deleted, they can be accessed by going through the page's history. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply @Qcne and @Tenryuu, I know that they are free to remove any comments from their own talk page, but they have also tried to remove my comment from another user's talk page [4], felt more like a dictatorship but it's sorted now. Jonharojjashi (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I know this isn't Wikipedia related, however it is Wiki related. PLEASE HELP!

So I uploaded a file to Wikimedia without properly understanding how to cite the copyright holder. It is a screenshot (that I took) of a video game (Yakuza 3), and so it falls SEGA's domain. I would appreciate what to do, as I don't know how to cite SEGA without re-uploading. Here is the file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiryu_Kazuma_Yakuza_3.png Also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Roosterchz If anyone could help, I'd appreciate it. -Roosterchz Roosterchz (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You should address any issues you have on Commons, on Commons. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to where I could ask such a question? Roosterchz (talk) 21:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You could ask at c:Commons:Help desk or one of the c:Commons:Village pumps. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Roosterchz (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Roosterchz: You might, however, want to take a look at c:Commons:Screenshots first because you citing "Sega" matters not unless you can show that the game the screenshots come from have been released by Sega in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing. In other words, Commons will not host screenshots taken from copyrighted software unless the software's creator or copyright holder has either (1) released the software under an acceptable free license for Commons or (2) has given their c:COM:CONSENT for the screenshot to be uploaded and used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Roosterchz, the bottom line is that you cannot upload any copyright protected files to Wikimedia Commons. There are no exceptions. As for the use of non-free images on English Wikipedia, please see WP:NFCI. The policy is stringent. Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I get it now.

This isn't worth the effort anymore, sorry for wasting your guys' time. I'll be more careful in the future. Roosterchz (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a waste, Roosterchz. Everybody learns by making honest mistakes and having them corrected, and by asking questions as you've done here – it's what the Teahouse is for! Other folks who read this thread may also learn something new to them. Happy future editing! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reassuring words! Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

When in doubt, ask for help. Cwater1 (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Image licensing released, next steps?

Hello all, Dank referred me here and said you may be able to help. Trying to get Hypericum sechmenii as TFA at the moment, and have just had a breakthrough in getting a freely licensed image for the run. I've been reaching out to different field researchers who may have images for several years, and for the first time I got a response. Not only did he release the one I was hoping for, but sent me several never-before-seen images as well! He said he would love to have them in the article, as long as he and his fellow colleagues are attributed. However, I don't want to link to the conversation on ResearchGate, because my personal info is attached to it. How should I go about affirming that these images have been released for upload on commons/wikipedia? Fritzmann (message me) 21:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fritzmann2002 and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:DCM may be of help? Particularly the section WP:DONATEIMAGE. I believe the researcher who took the photo will have to do some emailing. I hope this is of some help. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 05:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

editiors are accusing me of vandalism

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § editiors are accusing me of vandalism

i added pictures to ipad models and then i am getting accused of vandalism by @Wiiformii and @Joyous! @JeffSpaceman which is clearly not true since i tried to make the articles better and not ruin them 149.202.98.184 (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a discussion currently ongoing on the user's talk page. Joyous! Noise! 22:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

Hey, Hope you all are doing great. Recently I made three drafts Draft:Gumn, Draft:Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Draft:Hook (2022 TV series) but they were declined by reviewer User:Saqib who has been biased in reviewing my drafts and in case of Draft:Gumn despite the fact it does have multiple reliable sources, it was indicated that it does not meet WP:GNG. Help me get my articles published as I feel they all are notable to be published.  182.182.97.3 (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You are WP:LOUTSOCKing and engaging in UPE. Just stop. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not, you can have investigation on my IP. You guys are just bullying new editors like me. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing an article from stub to start

Hello! Over the past few months I've been improving articles related to RTD's light rail stations almost all of which are stubs. On the I-25 & Broadway station page, I've added sections about history and public art, added more text and a diagram to the station layout section, and in the infobox I've added a map insert as well as updating ridership data from 2014 to the most recent I could find online (2019). While the article still has a long way to go, I believe it should be upgraded from stub class to start class. However, as I've never changed an article's class, I'd love to hear the opinions of more experienced editors. FoamingInDenver (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FoamingInDenver. According to WP:STUB, Once a stub has been properly expanded and becomes a larger article, any editor may remove its stub template. No administrator action or formal permission is needed. You have significantly expanded that article, so I upgraded it to Start. Cullen328 (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions, FoamingInDenver. I agree with you that I don't like to assess articles that I have worked on; I just cannot be objective about them. It is certainly acceptable to do it yourself, but I think that asking for somebody else to cast an eye over it is a great idea. Another place you might consider is at WikiProject Trains, because this article falls inside their scope.--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

need to add my biography to wikipedia

Hello. I recently wrote a draft of my autobiography in which I use AI on my behalf to help me keep it neutral and positive. My bio includes areas that I have covered from a scientific perspective in the past without entering into a discussion in which I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science but without entering the realm of conspiracy theory. I am an underground autodidact, I attended colleges and universities but refused to graduate and maintained a GPA below 3.6 for political reasons. I need special help in this regard. I'm still learning all of Wikipedia's parameter languages so I can contribute by writing and posting articles of interest. Thank you have a great day. Mario Liek Serna (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not the place to tell about yourself; Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic. That is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves here, because people naturally write favorably about themselves(or in this case, use AI to). Please also be aware that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. There are good reasons to not want one. If you truly meet the criteria for an article, someone will eventually take note of coverage of you and choose to write about you on their own(and without the aid of an AI which presents copyright issues). My advice is that you go on about your life as if Wikipedia didn't exist, and use social media to publish your autobiography. 331dot (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mario Liek Serna. Just curious as to why you need to add your biography to Wikipedia. What's going to happen if you don't? Do you perhaps see Wikipedia as a good way to promote yourself, enhance your online presence or otherwise increase your credibility in your chosen field? If you do, then please take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Alternative outlets in addition to the pages linked to above by 331dot. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mario Liek Serna Your two efforts have been Speedy Deleted, leaving no View history of what you wrote except as viewed by Administrators. Wikipedia does not allow original research, as in "...I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science...". There are other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. Most new editors find success through efforts to improve existing articles, either by adding facts along with valid references, or correcting errors, again with valid references. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to remove "ghost" pictures

I created a topic at the Village Pump with two original images of mine. Then I deleted and replaced that file with a new version, which includes a new image. But the other two images seem to still be "alive," because when I clicked on a version of them in MS Word, I was taken to copies on the Internet.

Those unneeded images will just be cluttering up Wikipedia if they're allowed to remain, but I don't know where to go to delete them. Advice? Augnablik (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Augnablik. When asking about a specific Wikipedia page, it's usually helpful to provide a link to that page instead of expecting a Teahouse host to either just hope to make a lucky guess or to go digging through your contributions history to try and find the page/pages themselves. So, if you're asking about a particular file, please provide a link to the file's page or at least provide the name of the file. If you're asking about a particular Villiag Pump discussion, please provide a link to the discussion. Doing so will make it easier for someone to help you. Just for reference, only an Wikipedia administrator can WP:DELETE a Wikipedia page (including files), but it's not clear whether the files you uploaded are Wikipedia files or Wikimedia Commons files. In the latter case, you will need to request their deletion from Commons by following the guidance in c:Commons:Deletion policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just for reference, your Commons' contribution history shows that you've uploaded four files: File:User contributions mystery.png, File:Job aid template -1.png, File:Job Aid Example -1.png and File:Simplified Job Aid.png. If any of these are the files you'd like deleted, you will need to make a deletion request on Commons. Anything uploaded less than seven days ago, can most likely be tagged for speedy deletion per Commons speedy deletion criterion G7; however, anything uploaded seven or more days ago will need to be nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for both your messages, @Marchjuly. I didn't give a link because I just assumed there was some "holding place" images might go and an editor would simply tell me to go there. The photos I need deleted are included in your second message — I'll follow through on your advice. Augnablik (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, there's another oddity related to "ghost" pictures I just realize. I created only 3 images, but you identified 4. I clicked on the first one you mention, which is NOT one I knowingly created (User contributions mystery.png). I have no idea how it got created and ended up attributed to me!

This is weird. Is it possible that it's someone else's and if I ask for it to be deleted, that someone would lose an image he or she might to keep? Augnablik (talk) 04:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: The oldest of your uploads was uploaded too long ago to still be eligible for speedy deletion; so, you will need to start a regular deletion request for this file. You can do this by going to the file's Commons' page, clicking on "Nominate for deletion" in the left side bar and then following the prompts in the window that opens. The other three files can be tagged for speedy deletion. You can do this by going to each file's Commons' page, clicking on "Edit" at the top and then adding the syntax {{SD|G7}} (c:Template:SD) to the very top of the page's editing window. Once you've done that, click on "Show preview" to check your work and then "Publish changes" if things look OK. Since you're the person who uploaded the files, you don't really need to notify yourself,

As for your other questions, all four files are attributed to your account, which means either you or someone using your account uploaded them. Is it possible you just don't remember uploading the oldest one? Is it possible that you let someone else use your account to upload the file? If the later is a real possibility, then you might want to take a look at WP:COMPROMISED because this could be a problem for you when it comes to editing Wikipedia. As for whether someone might dispute your attempts tohave the files deleted, that's always a possibility, especially if the files are being used by others. In that case, further discussion may be needed to determine whether the file's still have some value to Commons per c:Commons:Project scope. It's also the main reason why only files hosted for less than seven days are eligible for author-requested speedy deletion; the idea is to give uploaders some time to correct mistakes or change their minds while also reducing that chances of the file being heavily used by others. You need to understand that once you upload something to Commons it can pretty remain there forever as long as it falls within Commons' Scope. The ability to self-nominate your uploads for speedy deletion is of more of courtesy than anything else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If I just leave the 3 images I don’t need or want, wouldn’t I be doing something unecological, not disposing of clutter?

If it doesn’t really matter, I’d love to save time by not having to figure out how to submit not one but 2 types of deletion requests. Augnablik (talk) 05:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Commons is more concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts and whether that content falls within its project scope. What you see as clutter, someone else might feel has some value. Even so, you uploaded the those files and you can nominate those that qualify for speedy deletion if you want. The files should ended up deleted after a few days unless someone else decides they want to use them. If that happens, then they're not really clutter and further discussion may be necessary to get them deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I can guarantee nobody else would want the images I’m referring to! 😂

I just hate clutter in general. Augnablik (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps then the images were outside the scope of Commons and never should've been uploaded in the first place. If you feel that's the case, then tag them for speedy deletion or nominate them for regular deletion as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, @Marchjuly … the reason I wanted to delete the images —- that is, the two I’d uploaded with an earlier version of a proposal I was making at the "Village Pump" —- was that in my updated version I created another image that I saved along with the replacement proposal. There was simply no further need for the 2 images I’d made for the earlier deleted proposal.

And as I’ve mentioned, I’m mystified about the 4th image you had on the list of images you found uploaded in my name, so I definitely don’t need it. Augnablik (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: If you visit File:User contributions mystery.png and scroll down a bit you'll find a heading "File usage" under which you're told that the file is used on Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1158. And indeed on that page in the section headed User Contributions page mystery there is what appears to be a question from you illustrated by that picture. --bjh21 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Two anon users are reverting my changes to List of gay villages and deleting my discussion on the Talk page.

Hi! For the page "List of Gay Villages," anon users keep adding the "East Village of Des Moines, Iowa" onto the list. However, this is not a "Gay Village." For their citation they use a website that has outdated information and doesn't even refer to the neighborhood as a Gay Village. I remove it from the list but two anon users keep adding it back. Also, I started a discussion on the Talk page but they either A) Delete my discussion or B) Edit my discussion so what I say is in their favor.

What do I do? Harryhay69 (talk) 03:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You have done the right thing is starting (and restoring) the talk page thread. I have commented in the talk page thread, and warned both IPs. It is completely unacceptable to erase or rewrite another user's constructive talk page thread. Meters (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't continue to remove the article content. It is a recent addition that has been contested and thus should stay out until (if) consensus it reached to include it, so i have removed it again, but you should not continue removing it yourself. See WP:EW Meters (talk) 04:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your help. So it shouldn’t be added until proper consensus is reached. I’ve never edited on here before so I’m still learning- thank you! Harryhay69 (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Harryhay69. The WP:ONUS, generally, falls on the person wanting to add content to an article, and it's, therefore, up to them to establish a consensus to do so in accordance with WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION when others disagree. Although Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD when trying to improve articles and usually it's OK to assume WP:SILENCE if nobody challenges an edit that has been made, the back-and-forth adding/removing of disputed content is not acceptable and is considered to be disruptive absent any clearly sound policy- or guideline-based argument for doing so (e.g. some serious violation of a main Wikipedia policy). So, no matter how right you think you may be, you still run the risk of being sanctioned if you make too many reverts. Let the discussion play out; if a consensus is established in favor of not including the disputed content, it will be removed. If it continues to be re-added after that, you can then seek assistance from an administrator at WP:AN3 or WP:AN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add a "hat" that doesn't consume the whole page.

 Courtesy link: Talk:Islam

Hello everyone. I am attempting to close a discussion on the Islam talk page that has deviated from the purpose of a talk page.

When I add the hidden archive top template to the topic, it subsumes the entire page rather than just the problematic discussions.

If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, check out the recent edit history on that page.

Please advise! Zoozoor (talk) 05:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You will have to add hidden archive bottom template as well at the bottom of the section. So this is what you should have done:

{{hat|reason=some reason}}

Some section content

{{hab}} – robertsky (talk) 05:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Can Teahouse entries be automatically updated?

I notice that replies to Teahouse questions show up in e-mail messages, if we’ve requested that service from Wikipedia, but not if we return to the Teahouse without refreshing its browser address.

I’d like to have automatic updating done. Is there a way? Augnablik (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. I don't think Wikipedia does any sort of "push" updating. If you're on a computer, most browsers let you refresh by pressing F5. ColinFine (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks. Are there any other Fkeys that work with Wikipedia? Augnablik (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't know what you mean by "work with Wikipedia". Most browsers recognise F5 as a Refresh, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. There are summaries of what function keys do in various systems in the (seriously undersourced) article Function key. ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! It’s been a long time since I’ve used function keys for anything on my Macintosh. I know they’re there, but sort of like decorations.

F5 didn’t refresh for me, but maybe Safari doesn’t recognize it whereas Chrome would. Augnablik (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

References

How do I add references to get my article approved for a band project I have been working on FarisMuhtaseb (talk) 07:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FarisMuhtaseb, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like most people who try to create an article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works, you have written your article BACKWARDS. Your question is like "I have built this house, but I don't know anything about housebuilding. How do I stop it falling down?"

My earnest advice, as I give to all new editors, is to forget completely about creating a new article for several months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making hundreds of valuable edits to existing articles, and learning about core principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view and notability. Then you can read your first article, and give it a go.

Also, please disclose whether you have a connection with The Jack Knives, as there are restrictions on editing with a conflict of interest, and note that promotion of any sort is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

FarisMuhtaseb You User page now has a COI declaration (good). Should that be PAID, instead? If so, change it. As for Draft:The Jack Knives, see WP:NMUSIC and Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oops, messed up at the Village Pump ... now what?

Earlier today I posted a proposal at the Village Pump but being a newbie there, I didn't realize till much later that I put it in the wrong section. I didn't even know at the time that there were different sections at the VP. Now I do, and I'd like to move my proposal to the right section, the one eponymously called Proposals. But I can't find it anywhere. According to my Contributions listing, it's in the WMF section, but it isn't. Help, please!

The reason I posted my proposal in the wrong section was simply because WMF must have been where I landed when I first came to the VP and I saw another proposal there at the time. Sorry. On a learning curve.

Augnablik (talk) 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik Seems to be there now:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Proposal:_"job_aids"_for_Wiki_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If so, then why can’t I see it? I’ve refreshed WMF several times but no luck. Augnablik (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery to me. Try WP:BYPASS? Change browser? Fwiw, you can probably see this:[5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery solved. I can see the post now, Thanks. Augnablik (talk) 18:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Copyright Investigation

I appreciate any and all help. A week ago, an article that I created for Francesco Sapori was marked as having a copyright investigation for a violation of copyright. Unfortunately, this appears to be an error on the behalf of the editor. The website that is linked to as having a copyright problem does not contain any information about Sapori, no information from that site was used, and the report created by Earwig's Copyvio Detector notes there is a 0.0% chance of a violation. Again, the page that was linked to for a copyright violation had no content related to Sapori. I think the page was flagged by accident because it was new. I have attempted to contact the editor who marked the page for deletion due to copyright infringement, but it has been nearly a week and they haven't responded. The entire page is set to be deleted tomorrow, and I currently don't have the ability to copy over the text that I wrote.

Is there anything that I can do? I am worried the material will be deleted and I'll have to start again from square one. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like that tag was added by mistake to your draft while the editor who moved the article to draftspace was dealing with a copyright issue on a different page (Hanuman Books). I've removed the tag. Courtesy ping for Justlettersandnumbers in case I've made a mistake in figuring out what happened here. Tollens (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! It is greatly appreciated. This clarifies a great deal. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies to Jrhogbin, I messed that up – pasted the wrong url, both into the copyvio template and into the edit summary. The copyvio I had noticed (not very serious, but not negligible either) was/is from here. I'll relist the page under today's date so that anyone who wants to rewrite it will have a full week in which to do so. NB Job titles on their own are not a copyright concern, but job titles with associated running text may well be. Jrhogbin, if you want to be sure that someone sees a message you've written them, it's advisable to ping them in some way (I missed yours to me). I use {{u|Username}} to do that, but there are other ways. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Like if you use the [reply]-link, there is a little-guy-with-a-plus button for pinging. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: You get this month's prize for pointing out something really useful but not entirely obvious. Thanks! Bazza 7 (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki - So confused

On testwiki and some other wikis unrelated to Wikimedia, I've been seeing a new talk page design. Why is this not enabled here? And why are there comments on MediaWiki? Is this exclusive to MediaWiki and not Wikimedia projects? Thanks. LOLHWAT (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@LOLHWAT: It's not unusual for such changes to be rolled out incrementally, starting with a few smaller projects. See m:Tech/News/2024/19 for details of this particular change. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I Need Help

Hello Friends, I was hoping to gain some understanding of how to help in relation to a very pressing issue pertaining to the coat of arms. 47.41.65.240 (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse only really pertains to editing Wikipedia. If you have a question about editing Wikipedia you can ask it here, but if your question is about heraldry then maybe the reference desk would be a better place to ask. (As much as I am curious about how an issue pertaining to a coat of arms could possibly be 'pressing'). -- D'n'B-t -- 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Warning a user

Hello! I'd like to warn this IP about their edits at Newtonhill, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do I need to be a moderator/have special privileges? Dinsfire24 (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dinsfire24. Any editor can warn any other editor when justified. No special privileges are needed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

help object a change before it assumed Consensus

I have noticed couple of inaccuracy I would like to address in Wikipedia however I am not a register user and the inaccuracy is inside restricted page.

can someone please help me understand what are my next steps if I wish to challenge an edit before its becoming consensus automatically?

(since "Consensus can be assumed if no editors object to a change")

I have tried to Propose a specific change on a talk page. Didn't made add an edit request template yet.

selfstudd has deleted my attempt at challenging the consensus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:State_of_Palestine#A_%22Country%22

my proposed change in this debate: this article should take example form how the Vatican is defined in Wikipedia and there are links the relevant legal definitions articles which address the complex legal status of the disputed territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City it seams to me that the current phrasing who deliberately omitting the legality issues of the occupied Palestinians territories (for example like in the rename of "occupied Palestinian territory " to Palestinian_territories") and part of larger attempt at de-legitimize Israeli right to exist.

change: is a country in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. to: is a nation / state in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest 79.176.174.2 (talk) 18:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has designated some topics as being so controversial that edits and discussions about them need to be restricted to users who have demonstrated that they have significant experience on Wikipedia (500+ edits and holding an account for 30+ days). The Arab-Israeli conflict is one of those topics. This means that you cannot make changes to that article, nor participate in discussions related to it; you can only make edit requests on the talk page of the article. Even then, edit requests are for uncontroversial changes only, which your proposed change is not – this means you cannot propose this change at all right now. You are more than welcome to create an account and participate in editing other less controversial topics until you meet the requirements to propose such changes. Tollens (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Change Draft Title

I would like to change my draft title to clarify the article's primary section. However I cannot achieve that. Could you help me ? My draft is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IPG_Technique Dentistedu (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

info template edits

How do I add a citation to an information box template? Phillyrox (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Phillyrox The way that I tend to use is to first create the citation in the visual editor as I find it a bit more user friendly, then I go to the source editor to copy it. I'll then go back to the visual editor, go into the infobox and add it to the parameter that I need a citation for. Alternatively you could just stay in the source editor and just scroll up to find the infobox and add it to the parameter that way, dealers choice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)