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    May 19

    Cast order when no actors in credits

    Kalloori Vaasal (1996) article puts Ajith Kumar's name first but the film is remembered for Prashanth's performance (as shown by a source in the production section [1] ) as a rowdy college student although both have similar screen time. The article probably puts his name second due to the fact that he is not popular anymore while Ajith Kumar still is. Protocol? At the time of release, Prashanth had more hits (at least three) as lead while Ajith Kumar only was noticed in 1995 a year before. This [2] puts Prashanth's name first. DareshMohan (talk) 00:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I believe the default convention is to list the cast alphabetically, in whice case Ajith Kumar's name would be first. What the film is remembered for (by whom?) and who is the more popular are irrelevant. Shantavira|feed me 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DareshMohan, @Shantavira: For the infobox, the documentation for the starring parameter of {{Infobox film}} states in general, use the billing block of the poster for the film's original theatrical release as a rule of thumb for listing starring actors. If unavailable, use the top-billed actors from the screen credits. This sometimes leads to an unexpected order, such as on Gandhi (film). Bazza 7 (talk) 09:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:Bazza_7 A quick Google search shows that the actors' names were omitted from the posters. [3]. DareshMohan (talk) 07:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DareshMohan: Have you tried following "If unavailable..." then? Bazza 7 (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The screen credits only credits the crew i.e. makeup man, editor, cameraman, writer, producer and director. Full movie is on YouTube. [4] (Google Translate on Mobile easily translates it). DareshMohan (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DareshMohan: What reliable source is used in the article to verify who the actors are? If no such information has been published then, at the very least, the article needs tagging with {{Citation required}} and the order of names left as is. Bazza 7 (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Cinesouth is used [5]. The Hindu review mentions that both of the 2 lead actors roles are equal. Ajit Kumar, riding a success wave now, matches Prashant in every move [6]. DareshMohan (talk) 00:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Dawson (1855–1923)

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


    I have accidently added a file (photo) and it is TOO large. Please fix and add the caption underneath "Dawson attended Hertford College, Oxford".

    Thank you and my apologies 101.182.31.143 (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I see no image there. It is not until the fifth sentence of that brief article that the reader learns that Dawson was a Member of Parliament, which is his valid claim of notability. That's bizarre and disconcerting. Cullen328 (talk) 09:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Dawson (1855–1923)

    I have accidently added a file (photo) and it is TOO large. Please fix and add the caption underneath "Dawson attended Hertford College, Oxford".

    Thank you and my apologies Srbernadette (talk) 07:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I have removed it, it was an irrelevant photograph. Theroadislong (talk) 07:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    I want to upload a still image from the 1949 motion picture Eureka Stockade. What would be the correct one to use? Robbiegibbons (talk) 02:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Robbiegibbons In principle, you should assume the image is protected by copyright and then work from there. Given the date of the film, everything depends on whether the still is still (no pun intended) under copyright protection. Did you find the image somewhere online? If you did, then please provide a link to it. Since this is a British film, c:COM:United Kingdom is relevant. In the US, for example, stills for films from that time period were quite commonly provided by movie studios to movie theaters for publicity purposes and many of these stills were either released without a valid copyright notice or had a notice but the copright wasn't subsequently renewed as required under US copyright law at the time, which means they either never were or no longer are eligible for copyright protection (ie. they're considered to be within the public domain). So, it's quite possible the still itself is within the public domain even if the film it comes from under copyright protection. However, in order to assess this, the image needs to be seen because the required copyright notice often appeared either in the border or on the back of such images, and such things are often cropped out when the stills end up being used online. Many people selling such stills on sites like ebay do, on the other hand, often provide full uncropped version (front and back) of these photos as a way to allow other to verify their authenticity. So, if there's something similar allowed under British copyright law, then it's possible the stills are within the public domain. Otherwise, if there's no way to verify the copyright status of the image, it will likely need to be treated as non-free content, which makes things much more complicated because non-free images are much more harder to use in that they need to satisfy Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    TK give me

    Kutupalong 103.242.23.191 (talk) 04:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? There is a search box at the top of every page that may help you. We have an article about Kutupalong. Shantavira|feed me 08:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    "and" in artists' collaborations

    In the Eurovision Song Contest 2024, Ukraine was represented by Alyona Alyona & Jerry Heil (ignoring stylized lowercase), Estonia by 5miinust x Puuluup. In the article, we write both Alyona Alyona and Jerry Heil, and 5miinust and Puuluup. Are there conventions to unify it in this way, instead of using their original glyphs? --KnightMove (talk) 09:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @KnightMove: As "&" is being used to simply mean "and", but does not seem to be part of a band name, then MOS:AMPERSAND applies. The same applies to the bizarre use of "x", which might also be covered by the beginning of WP:BANDNAME; MOS:TMRULES covers similar styling of trademarks and the like. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there a wikiword...

    For being driven straight up a tree by references that are *not* in numerical order, (for example, if a sentence is followed by [8][3][2])Naraht (talk) 13:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello @Naraht, I find your question vague.
    Please reply with a clearer explanation, as some may not understand the question, and wait for someone who can answer this question to help. Thanks! Garethphua (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Naraht WP:CITEORDER specifically says you shouldn't edit war over such trivia, so I guess the correct word might be WP:WikiKing, or take your choice from other WP:WikiFauna. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (ec) This question actually makes a lot of sense to me (maybe the unclear part is the "drive up a tree" idiom). I don't know a name for this situation, but WP:CITEORDER mentions it. Even if they start out in order, edits to other sections can cause them to wind up differently ordered if re-using named references defined in those other sections. DMacks (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Naraht: The purpose of your post is unclear but maybe you wonder why it happens. References are normally numbered in order of first use on the page,[1] not in order of the definition if they are named and reused.[2][1] It would be possible to swap references which are at the same content until their numbers are in numerical order at that place but we don't do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We actually had a rather large conversation somewhere (that I started, can't remember if it became an RfC or not), but it became pretty clear that we should not be putting references into numerical order. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I do also find this very irksome (more round the bend than up a tree) but I can see that it would not be helpful to spend much time on it. If you feel compelled to rearrange citations, I would suggest doing it as part of a materially constructive edit. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually the discussion (I'll see if I can find it to link it) specifically said not to change references purely on a numerical basis. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Found the chat - it was never an RfC, but maybe some helpful reading: Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Archive 53#Reference order Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reason

    Sort of a passive-agressive way to find out if there is *any* justification to "sorting them". BTW, which way do they do it in text?Naraht (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ a b This reference is defined second but used first and later used again at the definition.
    2. ^ This reference is defined first but not used first.

    STARTING A NEW ENTRY

    I have translated an entry into English on Word. I now want to transfer the text to English Wikipedia. Are there templates, or one tempate, that provides the skeleton for the correct way to present a Wikepedia article? Resignation793 (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't write articles myself, so others will have better advice, but one tip I can give you is to first copy the text into a non-formatted program like Notepad. This will strip out the 'invisible' Word formatting codes which, if copied into Wikipedia, can cause unforseen problems and complications. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no such universal template. MOS:STRUCTURE lists the main sections and links to describe each. For the body itself, different subjects have different typical article structures. If you tell us more specifically what your article is, maybe someone will recognize a similar existing article as a model you can use. DMacks (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is some rather brief guidance at Help:Translation. The most important thing to do is check that the subject meets English Wikipedia's notability guidelines as if the subject is not suitable for an article, the article is likely to be deleted, however well written. TSventon (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    correct numbers in Israel Hamas War

    Currently the article on the Israel Hamas war continues to quote Hamas funded sources. The United Nations recently released their estimations on the civilian casualties of the war, these numbers being half of what the Gazan Health Ministry claims. Could these numbers also be included in the article in order to show the multitude of differing sources that disprove the GHM and its Hamas backers? 71.244.253.88 (talk) 14:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing about anything related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the war with Hamas, is restricted- IP users are limited to proposing specific changes as edit requests on article talk pages. Anything else requires an account with at least 500 edits that is at least 30 days old. If you have a specific edit to propose, please make an edit request(click the link for instructions). 331dot (talk) 15:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In my opinion, any edits about wartime information while in the heat of battle are suspect due to not just the potential sources but also the inevitable "fog of war". All such edits and sources need to be taken with a grain of salt AND qualified as 'tentative'. This is my opinion as an experienced editor and NOT established in guideline or policy as far as I know. --01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

    Help With Editing

    Hi, let me tell you a scenario. I want to create a battle but I'm not sure how to add references in the battle infobox. Could you please tell me? I want to use a reference i got for the infobox, and for something else. Basically, I'm going to reuse the reference i put in the battle on other paragraphs as well. Thanks. Also, what is the difference between footnotes, references and sources? Thanks so much and have a good day! :) Fauji Enthusiast (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Also asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse. Fauji Enthusiast please do not ask in more than one venue as it wastes volunteer time. TSventon (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Random page in subcategories

    Is there a way to get the functionality of {{random page in category}} to include pages in that category's subcategories? (In particular I think it would be a nice option to have in category:CS1 errors). -- D'n'B-t -- 17:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @DandelionAndBurdock: I think you can use "type=subcat" for that, which will return a random subcategory, if I understand the example correctly. RudolfRed (talk) 20:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    nevermind, rereading your question I don't think that is what you want. RudolfRed (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Archived record of a request for comment

    Once a request for comment has been archived is there any way to open a complaints or appeal process against the decision/conclusion made by the person that has achieved the discussion? Helper201 (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think you are looking for Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Challenging other closures, which says that review should not be used as an opportunity to re-argue the underlying dispute, and is only intended for use when there is a problem with the close itself. TSventon (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Question

    I want to upload a file, but i unfortunately cannot access wikimedia commons. Could anyone help me? DANGA14talk 18:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You don't appear to be blocked over there so I'm not sure why you wouldn't be able to access it. this is the upload wizard, but if you are using your phone the mobile app is actually an easier way to upload images. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It appears that you (@DANGA14) are not registered on Wikimedia Commons. You need to register there; there is a way of federating logins across Commons and Wikipedia, but this isn't required. Once you are registered on the site, you should be able to upload to Commons. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Referencing Issue

    Hi there,

    I wanted to ask if someone is able to help me with a referencing issue. I translated a page from the Russian Wikipedia and published it, but realized the page for whatever reason has the references section to the right of the page. I tried looking into it and seeing how to resolve it, but nothing seems to be fixing it. Can someone help with this? The page in question is Draft:Vacío (rapper). Thank you in advance for the assistance. Losipov (talk) 20:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think it may have something to do with the ref being named ":2". The colon may be causing some sort of parsing error. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Losipov: You had a {{div col}} that wasn't closed with a {{div col end}}. Fixed it here. DuncanHill (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DuncanHill Thank you very much! Same to you @Just Step Sideways! Losipov (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I had a feeling someone with a better eye for code would come along and find the actual problem. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gringer canada

    Gringer canada 77.149.55.50 (talk) 21:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    dark?

    where change to dark ...white too bright 99.121.205.136 (talk) 21:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you create an account, you can enable either the dark mode gadget in your preferences or the dark mode beta feature in your preferences Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Dark_mode_is_available_in_Vector_2022_as_a_beta_feature RudolfRed (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 20

    Suggest a wikipedia entry

    How can I suggest that wikipedia entry be written about my organization, which is a notable entity with many online references on it? I want somebody else to write about it since I have a conflict of interest. Haneen Adwan (talk) 08:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Haneen Adwan Please make the disclosure asked by the conflict of interest policy. If you are employed by the organization, the Terms of Use require you to make the stricter paid editing disclosure.
    My advice is that you forget that Wikipedia exists and go on about the work of your organization. If your organization truly meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization, an independent editor will eventually take note of significant coverage of your organization in independent reliable sources and choose to write about it. That's the best indicator of notability. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about an organization and what it does- any article about it must summarize significant coverage- coverage that goes beyond documenting the activities of the orgnanization and goes into detail about what they see as important/significant/influential about the organization. Such sources do not include press releases, interviews, brief mentions, announcements of routine activities, or other primary sources.
    There is a place to suggest an article, but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness and any request you make likely won't be acted on for some time, if ever. 331dot (talk) 08:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Libraries in Australia, question archived without answer

    Hello, I asked a question a few days ago but my question got archived without being answered. Is it okay to re-ask? -- NotCharizard 🗨 09:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You asked for opinions on possibilities of rearranging a fairly obscure list article. Probably no-one had any strong thoughts about the matter one way or another.
    I suggest that you WP:Be Bold and go ahead with your intention, correctly announced on the Talk page and with no response in 4 days, of revising the article how you think best. If anybody disagrees with what you do, they can perform the Revert part of the WP:BRD process and you can all proceed with the Discussion. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Complaint against administrator of Ukrainian Wikipedia

    [Serious attacks on named user redacted] Baibuzy1 (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You need to present your evidence on the Ukrainian Wikipedia. If you have off wiki evidence you should present it to their arbitration committee. Cabayi (talk) 09:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank You, Cabayi, for help, I'll do it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baibuzy1 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reducing the words in my article

    OIOP Movement ( A movement fot One India One Pension ) registered in Pathanthitta, Kerala, India registered under A Charitable Organization registered under Societies Act 1860 section 3 for demanding equal justice forall who complete 60 years.:This organizations registerd in Pathanthitta, Kerala, India this year under society act Number PTM/TC/45/2024 223.185.249.39 (talk) 15:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you have a question about using Wikipedia?
    Sage or something (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    IP editor. We have articles about Pensions in India and One Rank, One Pension (also in India). If you have suggestions about how these could be improved, please make them on the Talk Pages of these articles, including reliable, published sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Balance of content

    OK, this is not about WP:BALANCE. but what is the guidance/policy on ensuring that an article has a suitable degree of balance between covering different aspects that fit within the article's overall subject matter? For instance, suppose there was an article on 19th century ships and it was largely about warships and very little about merchant ships (of which there were many more), the article would be deficient by having unbalanced content. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 15:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi there! There is no policy that I could find, however, it it probably best to find a reasonable balance of information. Sage or something (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ThoughtIdRetired: We have two "meta-policies" to use when there is no relevant guideline or policy: editorial judgement and consensus. You are an editor. If you feel that an article should be modified to make it more encyclopedic, then make the improvement. If another editor disagrees, they can revert your change, and you can then discuss the change on the article's talk page to try to reach a consensus. See WP:BRD. If you think your change needs to be discussed before you make it, then start on the the article's talk page. In the early days we tried hard to avoid prescriptive or proscriptive guidelines and to rely on the two meta-policies, adding new guidelines only when experience made it clear they were needed. For your hypothetical case, You could propose to split the article into three, converting the main article into a brief overview and adding separate articles for the warships and the commercial ships. -Arch dude (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Recently Deceased

    Is there any guidance as to how to deal with transitioning a BLP to recently deceased and why deceased people have fewer privacy rights than living persons which is generally true legally as well, right? Technophant (talk) 17:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    There doesn't seem to be any WP essay concerning the transition from BLP to recently deceased article. If it takes too long to make appropriate changes to articles (verb tenses, changes in categories, etc.), Template:Recent death can be placed on top of the article to avoid edit conflicts. As for the question about legal privacy rights, well, that's out of scope for this help desk. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:BDP is a section about the recently dead or probably dead. TSventon (talk) 18:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Use of anchor links to refer to additional info within the same article

    Is there a guideline for using internal anchor links to connect related info within the same article, like an internal "see also" link? Or is this discouraged?

    Example:

    Para A: "Info about some Thing. (See also: [#link]Para B[/#link])"

    Para B (elsewhere in the article): "More info about the Thing."

    Thanks. Tsavage (talk) 17:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I haven't found a policy on the question. Template:See also makes clear that this is possible. There might be something in MOS:LINK, but I didn't see anything on a quick scan. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tsavage: Help:Self link mentions that it can be: [a] useful application is links from article leads or overview sections to detail sections buried deeper in the same article if it happens to be a rather large one, but as nearly each article has its own table of contents, it's usually redundant. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! Seems to be largely a use-common-sense situation. Help:Self link is useful to keep in mind. In the case at hand, making the ToC a quite granular, and moving the bulk of info on a particular subject to one location while keeping any other references brief seems to have mostly solved things so far. But there may be cases where the same info fits in more than one place, and would be redundant if repeated, so maybe self-links. Anyhow, question answered and thanks again! Tsavage (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Great Lakes articles

    Why article Great Lakes, as well as articles of individual lakes in this system, use imperial units first, despite that all lakes except one are also in Canada, a country that uses metric units? Should articles that have strong historical ties to Canada use metric units first? --40bus (talk) 19:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Please discuss concerns about a particular article on its talk page; Talk:Great Lakes. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I did in January, but I still have got no answer. --40bus (talk) 20:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Censur of Jehovahs Witnesses

    Hvad blev der lige af Jehovas Vidner i den danske udgave af Pittsburgh?

    Her fra den engelske! Pittsburgh is additionally where Jehovah's Witnesses traces its earliest origins, and was the host of the 2009 G20 Pittsburgh summit.

    Der er da vist nok en redaktør der skal skiftes ud.

    Venlig hilsen Søren Olsen, Danmark 2.108.45.190 (talk) 20:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi IP Editor. This is the English Wikipedia. If you have any questions about the Danish Wikipedia, please go to https://da.wikipedia.org/ Qcne (talk) 20:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I happen to be Danish and can read your post but this help desk is for the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia languages and their articles are edited independently. Concerns about the Danish Wikipedia belong there, not here. The English article Pittsburgh is 32 times larger than the Danish da:Pittsburgh so I'm not surprised this isn't mentioned in Danish. I see no reason to suspect censorship and you can edit it yourself by clicking one of the "Redigér" links. They do have an article about Jehovah's Witnesses: da:Jehovas Vidner. The infobox says founded in Pittsburgh. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    "Electoral District" table makes the whole page appear smaller.

    Here: John Kasich, the "Electoral District" table extends to the right, beyond all other text on this page. This reduces the size of all the other text/ images to accommodate the extra wide table. Can this table's width be equal to all other text, so that the whole page renders normal size? Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Ooligan: There is no "Electoral District" in John Kasich. Do you mean John Kasich#Electoral history? It looks normal to me in Firefox and three other tested browsers. If the window is too narrow for the whole table then the text size doesn't change but I just have to scroll right to see the right side of the table. Maybe you activated a zoom function in your browser. Does it help to log out, or press Ctrl+0 if you have a Windows browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter, Yes, Electoral History. I now see the table has "hide" on the top right. When I hide the table, the page displays normally. Can the table "default" setting start at hiding the table with a choice by the to expand the table if they wish? --Ooligan (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ooligan: Hiding by default is against MOS:DONTHIDE, and I have never heard of your problem. What is your browser and operating system, and does it help to log out? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter, the explanation is enough. Thank you, --Ooligan (talk) 07:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 21

    Is there a way to reset default preferences

    I can't see the button to reset my default preferences. One of them is breaking elements of the site, so I wish to revert the preferences to fix it. Lordseriouspig (talk) 00:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Lordseriouspig: There should be a "Restore all default preferences" link in Preferences → User profile. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, I don't know how I didn't see that lmao. Lordseriouspig (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Thebas1

    I recently received a WikiLove message from a new user Thebas1. The message was random gibberish. Checking their global account, they've made eight similar edits on Wikimedia Commons, and also vandalized the talk page of a picture of Winston Churchill.

    I do not know how to approach this issue, and what actions should be done; and is there a better place to report this? Roasted (talk) 02:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you are certain that the user is a Vandalism-only account, you can make a request at Wikimedia steward request for global blocks/locks. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 11:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Château de Jouy-en-Josas

    Dear all. I hope you are doing well. Please may I kindly request your help for the following article : Draft:Château de Jouy-en-Josas. It is a French castle and the article is a translation of the French one : fr:Château de Jouy (Jouy-en-Josas). Please do not hesitate to modify directly the article. Thanks a lot in advance. Kind Regards and have a nice day. 2A01:CB01:101C:5CF5:A402:D189:D2B4:C1AE (talk) 06:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    It has been declined because of sourcing problems. Also, there are way too many images. These may look nice, but per WP:NOTGALLERY there should not be multiple images just for the sake of it. Images should be integrated with the text.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Canal" is not the right word for that body of water. Maybe "lake" or "pond"? Maproom (talk) 07:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One of the references is to a PDF, seemingly publicity material for a school. But the PDF is at some family's website. This is rather surprising. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I now realise that several of the images in the article are not genuine photographs, nor reproductions of paintings, but machine-generated. Those are works of fiction, and as such have no place in an encyclopedia. Maproom (talk) 14:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wrong information given in article of religious violence in India

    In it was written that Hindu activities start violence in India but the truth is that Hindu activities just motivate people to follow their religion and rituals. It is depicted wrong in article of religious violence in India. The truth is that Muslim activities, politician, priest motivate Muslims of India to increase their population and follow to Muslim Emperors' ideology of Gazwa-e-Hind means conversation of all Hindus to Muslim and capture the territory, wealth, etc. through violence. 2409:40D4:2008:3242:7E:69FF:FEB0:29F8 (talk) 08:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you have concerns about a particular article's content, you should raise those concerns on the article talk page(seems to be Talk:Religious violence in India). Articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If those sources are not accurately summarized, please detail the specific errors. If the sources are accurately summarized, but in error themselves, you will need to raise that with the sources, or offer more current sources. Be aware that transferring a religious conflict to Wikipedia won't be tolerated. We all must work together. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I want my company to be added to wikipedia

    We are seeking a skilled and experienced Wikipedia content writer to create a comprehensive and well-referenced Wikipedia page for our company, Gamateks. The ideal candidate will have a proven track record of writing and editing Wikipedia articles, a deep understanding of Wikipedia’s guidelines, and the ability to produce high-quality, neutral, and verifiable content. Korkutaydinli (talk) 13:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't have time to do it myself I was looking for some one to do it for me Korkutaydinli (talk) 13:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody is going to do anything unless it can be established that your company meets our notability criteria. READ IT. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have read it and I believe that it does meet your notability criteria Korkutaydinli (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not seeing English-language sources that would attest to Gamateks' notability. You'll probably to find someone who can read Turkish. But please be aware that most people offering to create a Wikipedia article for payment are scammers. Maproom (talk) 14:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is some useful advice here Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. Theroadislong (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One option is to create a Draft article and source it according to Wikipedia standards then request that it be reviewed for inclusion in the encyclopedia. I think that is the best option for you. Now, you should ALSO be sure that editing Wikipedia about your company is consistent with your company's internet contributions policy; I at one time edited my own company's article here and elicited a chain of events that led to revisions to the company's contributions policy. Be careful with this; it can come back to bite you if you are not careful (or lucky or very valued at your firm). --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reset password/assign email address to account using previous password?

    Hello - it looks like my password was changed, and I don't remember changing it (but I probably did per Occam). Assuming I did it, my browser password manager either didn't save the password properly, or it went to the wrong account, and I've not been able to find the new one. I still have access to my old password, and I'm signed in on one specific computer, but I can't find a way to reset my password or bind an email address (I could have sworn this was tied to my old personal email, but I appear to have never set that up...).

    I've only gotten back into editing recently as a way to keep my research skills sharp; I could just make a new account, but I'm a bit attached to this one since it's a chance to redeem some of my teenage idiocy from when I first made it back in the noughts.

    Is there a way to attach an email address or to use my old password to set up a new one? Thanks! Fishsicles (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Fishsicles: There should be a section in your preferences called Preferences → User profile → Email options, which should have a button that allows you to change an email address; presumably it'd also allow you to add one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd already tried this; unfortunately it requires my current password. Fishsicles (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fishsicles Try with the 'committed identity' method in here Help:Logging_in#What_if_I_forget_the_password if you still have access to the account. – robertsky (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you - I've set that up now, and I'll get in touch on that route once I have the time to figure out all the process (and are logged in to the right email accounts). Should probably set up a PGP key as well... Fishsicles (talk) 17:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dollar sign in section header

    In the article Jet Lag: The Game, the section header Season 10 reads "Au$tralia" but renders as "Au\$tralia" in the table of contents for me. Apparently this isn't universal (LouisOrr27 said it looked fine on their end), so I'm not exactly sure what can cause this sort of glitch to occur. Any help would be appreciated. Cerebral726 (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Cerebral726 It certainly looked like a $ to me, so I changed it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The intent is that it is supposed to be a "$". The problem is that it renders as "/$". So I guess I'm the only one who sees it as "/$" which is odd. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why is it supposed to be a $? I would have thought that the name of the season would be the same as the name of the country it was set in. However, you are welcome to revert my edit if there is some reason it is intentional: it was added on 8 May in this edit by User:SnowyNix. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The season is titled Au$tralia because it is a gambling themed season. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, after your revert I see the TOC correctly in the current default WP:VECTOR22 skin. Which skin are you using? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm using the Vector Legacy (2010) skin. Swapped to Vector22 and it looks fine in the sidebar TOC, swapped back to Vector2010, looks wrong in the box TOC. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's an issue with the Vector Legacy (2010) skin, I use Vector 2022 and it is fine but when I switched to Legacy (2010) it appeared as "/$". LouisOrr27 (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone's already written a bug report: phab:T365413. Rummskartoffel 15:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Awesome, thanks for the link. Cerebral726 (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    New Zealand Law Society

    Their are a number of other wikipedia.org web pages too that need to be included I'm asking that you check what I say is true first - Their are no gift cards sold in New Zealand for the purpose of presenting identity and lawyers registration with the government enables them to witness identity of New Zealand citizens passports for over sea's banks to use. I'm asking that be included on relevant web pages please some how by the correct person to do that. 115.189.135.164 (talk) 15:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello there IP! If you think that a page needs something added, but don't want to do it yourself, try posting it on the talk page for that article. Sage or something (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi IP editor. I am afraid I do not understand the question - could you try re-phrasing it? Qcne (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It sounds as if you are trying to add a "How to" item, or perhaps a "righting wrongs" item to Wikipedia articles. However virtuous or useful the information may be, that is not what Wikipedia is for.
    If you can find a reliable independent source discussing the issue - not just giving advice, but discussing why this is an issue - discuss this on the article's talk page and get consensus to add the information to the article. ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Threatening me

    Hi, a user has threatened to ban me due to an edit war, however he broke the rules he said to me and is refusing to talk to me properly and is only giving me links, but the links are only reiterating that you need to discuss and he is not discussing with me at all. This genuinely worries me because I don't want him to use his power to ban me and I feel it is unjust at the same time. What can I do? Because the way he is threatening me with a ban feels discriminatory because he has a higher position on the Wikipedia ladder. I'm autistic and have fun editing a lot. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You and 98Tigerius should discuss this on Talk:2024 FIVB Volleyball Women's Nations League (rather than on your user talk page) and attempt to reach agreement. Other editors may or may not join the discussion. (Incidentally, 98Tigerius has mentioned the possibility of a block. You have talked about a ban. A block isn't a ban: if you're interested, see the third paragraph of Wikipedia:Banning policy. 98Tigerius cannot either block you or ban you; you cannot either block 98Tigerius or ban them.) Meanwhile, it's good to hear that you enjoy editing Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ILoveSport2006, nearly 15 years ago when I was a new editor, a more experienced editor warned me about edit warring, and ever since, I have been very careful to avoid edit warring. So, my advice to you is to be very careful to avoid edit warring. Also, article talk pages are the best places by far to discuss article content. Help: Edit summary says that edit summaries are for a brief explanation of an edit and that edit summaries are not for explaining every detail, writing essays about "the truth", or long-winded arguments with fellow editors. Please follow that advice. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for replying, I appreciate it. However, one of the main problems I have had is that he is not responding to me properly. Personally, I wouldn't even call it a conversation since he is only responding in already made words. He called my table unnecessary and irrelevant and when I replied saying I thought it was rude, I got nothing back, only auto generated links. He hasn't explained why he doesn't think the table isn't useful at all, just links. I think he is trying to scare me away with these links and it bothers me because I have never encountered someone like this. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 11:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ILoveSport2006, no one is trying to scare you away. We all value productive colleagues. Sometimes when an argument has already been made and a decision reached, we'll just point people at the conversation or guideline rather than rehashing the whole thing.
    If you've read through all the pages you've been given links to, and still have questions about why they might apply to your particular situation, then you'll be able to ask the kind of informed questions that are more likely to elicit a thought out response. If it seems like you're not reading and understanding the information you've been given, then why would the other person choose to invest their time in explaining things you could have learnt by reading the pages they've already pointed you towards? Folly Mox (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No decision has been reached over the table. That's false. He called the table unnecessary and irrelevant and I am taking offence because it is not constructive criticism and I think differently. So people on Wikipedia did not point him to this conversation, he chose to make an unconstructive comment with no evidence and no decision was reached. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Have you read through those links? – robertsky (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is anyone listening to me? He IS NOT discussing with me. Plus he is not following WP:BRD nor WP:STATUSQUO, which both talks about dialogue and getting a better understanding of why it was reverted, and I am trying to follow these rules, but HE isn't. He deleted my table with no constructive dialogue and has not told how the table could be improved. He BROKE the WP:3RR rule, I didn't. Why are you not telling him he broke the rules. @Folly Mox @Robertsky, I could be wrong, but both your comments both come across as if I am in the wrong. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hoary I brought back the table but added a Disputed Inclusion tag. Is this okay? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Might be worth taking it to WT:VBALL, but I'm pretty sure Round by Round tables like this are deprecated. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nope. Just trying to get a baseline of your understanding of the WP:MOS. But if you are already clear about the MOS, then it is just right to clarify which part of the MOS you are not in line with.
    As for WP:BRD, if this was the first edit Special:Diff/1224836970 that was being reverted, the onus is on you to open the discussion with the editor who reverted your edit and not restoring the content in the reverted edit until a discussion is concluded or there is no response to the discussion for a while. You tried with a response on your talk page. However, there is no evidence that they saw the message unfortunately, not especially if they had just been dropping messages via a semi automated tool. (I don't use that tool, so I am not sure if they had the settings to add your talk page to the watch list or had that settings enabled. And if one is a frequent vandalism patroller, one's watchlist can be overwhelmingly large to the point that your reply to your talk page may have not been noticed by them.) At the very least, pinging them in your message on your talk page via {{re}} or similar template/mechanism would have notified them.
    What I am seeing here is likely that some messages are not being crossed on the same frequency on both sides, and from now on, nudge the other party to engage with you on the article's talk page. They have been pinged here earlier, but unsure if they are aware of the message you place on the article's talk page. To be certain, drop a friendly message on their talk page to remind them to check the article's talk page. Messages on their talk page are typically should not be missed. – robertsky (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ILoveSport2006, I'm sorry I made you feel like I thought you were in the wrong. I'm actually almost entirely ignorant of style guidelines regarding sport articles. I just wanted to try to reassure you that no one is trying to drive you away or threatening to block your account. The words you opened this thread with seemed to indicate an unfamiliarity with the standard user warning templates and I was just trying to explain what might be going on in a way that would help you feel less attacked. My apologies if that backfired. Folly Mox (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 22

    Template dagger malfunctioning

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
    Closing this discussion since it's redundant to the same question asked by the same person 20 minutes earlier at the Wikipedia Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Immediate assistance required because template:dagger currently outing this †, Anoop Bhatia (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Anoopspeaks: You just asked about this at WP:THQ#Template dagger malfunctioning. There's no thing to ask the very same question on a different forum, particularly within 20 minutes of each other. Please be patient and wait for someone to repsond to your Teahouse question (some people already have). The world isn't going to end due to the dagger template malfunctioning, if it even is malfunctioning in the first place. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    updation state president TAMILNADU G.SRINIVASAN NATIONAL PEOPLES PARTY FROM JUNE 21ST 2023

    updation state president TAMILNADU G.SRINIVASAN NATIONAL PEOPLES PARTY FROM JUNE 21ST 2023 120.60.117.218 (talk) 05:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Can you provide a published reliable source for the specific change you want to make? Cullen328 (talk) 05:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi IP user, I just wanted to point out that you should avoid typing in all caps as this can be perceived as yelling by other editors. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 19:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Newcomer task

    It appears that the “so called” Newcomer task is already a disaster in progress. Despite being a regular editor I had not heard of it until 17 May 2024, when I noticed a piece of text in Highway 1 (Queensland) had been removed and replaced with identical text, and with no explanation other than “Newcomer task” on 16 May 2024.

    I asked the question “How can the removal of information be described as a newcomer task?”. I have since been accused of making an unreferenced removal. How can this occur, and just what is a “Newcomer task”?

    When this is sorted out please tak a look at Abernethy Road, where I asked a similar question and have not received any response. Downsize43 (talk) 05:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Downsize43: Those "Newcomer task" tags link to this page which should explain more thoroughly than I will be able to do here. Essentially, they are edits by new editors made to pages tagged as needing cleanup. It isn't an endorsement of the edit in any way, it is just intended to flag that the editor is new and was brought to that article rather than finding it on their own. Tollens (talk) 05:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll additionally note that the edit of 15 May on Abernethy Road didn't remove text and then replace it with identical text, it instead added two citations. Tollens (talk) 05:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also on Highway 1 (Queensland), you may have been looking at the wrong diff. The edit flagged as a newcomer task did not remove any information – the edit removing information was another editor undoing the previous "newcomer task" edit because it was unsourced. Tollens (talk) 05:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Downsize43. My first observation is that newcomers often make mistakes, and that is not surprising. I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Growth Team features which explains newcomer tasks in great detail. If you still have concerns, then Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features is probably the best place to discuss them. Cullen328 (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Finally found something on Archive 1. Hardly the best place for it. Urgently need to get it "out there" somewhere and let the world know. Downsize43 (talk) 06:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Downsize43: Both your descriptions of what happened in the newcomer task are incorrect so I wonder whether you know how diffs work. In the page history [7], click the "prev" link in the line tagged with "Newcomer task" to get [8]. The left-hand side is before the edit and the right-hand side is after. The edit added this text: The highway is part of the famous "Big Lap" on National Route 1. A Google search shows it's correct but it was unsourced and maybe not important enough for the lead so somebody reverted it in this edit. This time "Newcomer task" is on the left side which is before the edit so the removal is not itself the newcomer task. See more at Help:Diff. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Update New Description for Company Profile

    Hi Team,

    I want to update Godrej Properties current description. Could you please help me on this? 182.78.53.202 (talk) 06:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    It depends on what you want to say and whether there is a conflict of interest involved in some way with the company; see also WP:BOSS. It also has to be said that Godrej Properties may have difficulty meeting the general notability guideline in its current form due to an excess of primary sourcing.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Audio timing

    Is it possible to make the audio start from a specific second? For example: an audio is 20 seconds long and I want it to start at second 13. Is it possible to do this? 14:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @W!kipedista: |start=0:13. See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Sound files. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! 14:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    correcting an error of fact in an article

    In the article on Frederick Russell Burnham, in the "Mexico" section, it describes a presidential summit taking place in 1909. It lists a number of agencies providing security and includes the FBI. The FBI did not exist in 1909. 2600:6C40:5800:4BD:7C19:89AF:F8E1:243E (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Every article has a talk page, in this case Talk: Frederick Russell Burnham, which is where discussion of article content should typically take place. Note that our article on the Federal Bureau of Investigation does not quite back up your own claim. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Changing infobox to...?

    So I'm in a bit of a conundrum here. I wanted to update Topps but apparently, it was acquired by Fanatics in 2022. How would I go around changing it? Is it a subsidiary now? Kline • talk • contribs 15:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you want to find out if Topps is a subsidiary or how to update the infobox? this suggests that Topps is a subsidiary. TSventon (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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