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Requested moves is used to request, and vote on, article moves that are not straight-forward, or that require the assistance of Wikipedia administrators. (For simple uncontroversial moves, follow the advice at Help:Renaming (moving) a page instead; there is a [Move] tab at the top of every page for normal moves.)

For example, the proposed move may be controversial, or the "Move" function may not work (e.g. because the target exists, and has history; the move function will not overwrite such a target). Such moves should usually be discussed on the talk pages of any relevant articles first, particularly where a page move may be controversial.

Approval voting is encouraged for page moves requested on this page. Requested moves may be implemented if there is a Wikipedia community consensus (60% or more) supporting the moving of an article after five (5) days under discussion on the talk page of the article to be moved, or earlier at the discretion of an administrator. The time for discussion may be extended if a consensus has not emerged.

  • Technical expertise may be needed to merge edit histories, e.g. when an article has been 'moved' via a cut and paste move; see #History merges below for how to handle such cases.
  • To merge two articles please make a request at Wikipedia:Duplicate articles instead of here.
  • This is not the proper place to request the "moving" of images or categories. See below for more information.

Instructions

First, note that many page moves may be accomplished by any logged in user by using the move button at the top of the user interface (see the help page). Requested moves is intended only for moves that either may be disputed, so that consensus should be obtained before the move, or that require administrator involvement because the intended new location also has a page history.

Please see #Relevant policies and guidelines if you are unsure whether a page move is appropriate.

To request a page move, follow this three-step process:

(replace PageName with the name of the page to be moved and NewName with your proposed name)

I.
Add the request to the
list on this page

To aid the administrators, add a line with the day's date on it directly under the heading of the Current Notices subsection, if it has not already been added for this day. Today is November 4 2024.

===[[date]] [[year]]===

To enter a request for a single page to be moved to a new name, add a line at the top of the section under the date line:

* [[Talk:PageName]] – [[PageName]] → [[NewName]] – {reason for move} — ~~~~

A handy way to do this is to write the following on an empty line:

{{subst:WP:RM|PageName|NewName|reason for move}} ~~~~

which will include all the necessary formatting (do not forget the "subst:").

For more complicated requests see #Multiple page moves for formatting suggestions.

Include the page's name in your edit summary. Save this page.

II.
Add the move template to talk page.

Enter the following text at the top of the talk page of the page you want moved:

{{move|NewName}}

If you want a page to be moved, but don't yet know what name it should be given, you can use {{moveoptions}} instead to indicate that there are several options to discuss.

III.
Create a place for discussion

If one does not already exist, create a section on the talk page of the page you want moved for discussion. This can take any form that is reasonable for administrators to follow, but copying the following is suggested:

==Requested move==

The reasons for move copied from the entry on the [[WP:RM]] page
----
:''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''

===Discussion===
:''Add any additional comments''

If you are proposing that multiple closely related pages should all be moved for the same reason (see #Multiple page moves), it may be advisable to create this discussion on only a single talk page and provide links from the other talk pages to this centralized discussion.

Please include "move proposal" or similar in the edit summary and don't mark it as minor. Consider checking the "Watch this page" box to follow the page in your watchlist. Save the page.

What to do on the article page

If the move you are suggesting is uncontroversial, for example, it is correcting spelling or capitalisation, update the article reflecting the title it should have (for example, the article is at My Dog but should be at My dog, change the opening sentence to '''My dog''' is furry.). The template CapitalMove is also available, see Category:Requested capitalization moves.

Current discussions

Please add notices to the top of this section in the format described above. Actual discussions should take place on the article's talk page, not here.

November 25, 2005

November 24, 2005


November 23, 2005

November 22, 2005

November 21, 2005

November 20, 2005

November 19, 2005

Old discussions

Place here discussions which have been active for more than 5 days. Remove them once dealt with.

November 18 2005

November 15 2005

November 8 2005

Obstructed moves

List here old requests which cannot be fulfilled due to some obstruction that an administrator cannot deal with outright, e.g. legitimate content in the way.

Clarification required

List here old requests where the closing administrator is unsure of the action to be taken, and requires clarification from a party involved in the discussion.

Hurricane Marie → Tropical Storm Marie

Same reasons as Flossie Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As below, please explain. Also, moves like this could be controversial, so it's preferred that discussion takes place on the talk page. Rob Church Talk 13:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_Cyclones#Tropical_cyclone_article_naming section on the Wikiproject page:
"...The disambiguation should be basin-independent and should cover all storms in all
basins with the same name. If in doubt use "Tropical Storm" or "Tropical Cyclone" as
the prefix for the disambiguation when multiple basins are involved." (my emphasis)
Since strong tropical cyclones are called "typhoons" in the northwestern Pacific Ocean and "hurricanes" in the north Atlantic and northeastern Pacific, and the name "Marie" has been used in multiple basins, to conform to the Wikiproject standards, Hurricane Marie has to be moved to Tropical Storm Marie. For some reason, the move page function does not let me do this, which is why I requested it here.
Also, sorry about not posting the discussion:( Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 21:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:April 2004 in the United States → Talk:Current events in the United States

It was moved because the only events described were from April but that has change and should be moved to the same title as the same title as the main page. Newbie222 19:18, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What? The events described on that page are from April. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. —Cleared as filed. 20:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Flossie → Tropical Storm Flossie =

There was at least one Flossie in the west Pacific. It is Wikiproject policy to use "tropical storm" as the prefic for basins with incompatible prefixes. For some reason the move page tool does not let me move this page. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Michelle. Could you please re-explain the purpose of this move? There doesn't seem to be any discussion of it (other than your adding the move tag on the talk page) and I don't understand what you're trying to do. —Cleared as filed. 11:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_Cyclones#Tropical_cyclone_article_naming section on the Wikiproject page:
"...The disambiguation should be basin-independent and should cover all storms in all
basins with the same name. If in doubt use "Tropical Storm" or "Tropical Cyclone" as
the prefix for the disambiguation when multiple basins are involved." (my emphasis)
Since strong tropical cyclones are called "typhoons" in the northwestern Pacific Ocean and "hurricanes" in the north Atlantic and northeastern Pacific, and the name "Flossie" has been used in multiple basins, to conform to the Wikiproject standards, Hurricane Flossie has to be moved to Tropical Storm Flossie. For some reason, the move page function does not let me do this, which is why I requested it here. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 21:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

John Block → John Block (disambiguation)

There is more than one John Block Peteve 16:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Procedure for admins

It is important to check to see if the redirect has major history; major history contains information about the addition of current text. (This is sometimes caused by the accidental creation of a duplicate article, or someone doing a cut-and-paste "move", instead of using the "Move this page" button.) Never simply delete such redirect pages, (which we need to keep for copyright reasons).

Major history

There are three ways to deal with a page move with a major history:

  1. The "right" way is to merge the histories, using the procedure outlined at Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves. This is a slightly fraught procedure, which on rare occasions doesn't work correctly. There are also circumstances (for example duplicate pages) where it's not the correct choice anyway. Once done, it cannot easily be undone, so don't pick this option unless it's definitely the right one. You can request history merges at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen.
  2. Alternatively, the article and the redirect can be swapped. This leaves the bifurcated history, but has less chance of causing problems. Simply move one of the pair to a temporary name, and then delete the new redirect which that move will left behind at the original location; next, move the other page of the pair across to the first one's old location, and delete that left-over new redirect; finally, move the first one from its temporary location to its new name. You will then need to delete the new redirect at the temporary location, and finally fix the old redirect to point at the article again (at this point, it will be pointing to itself).
  3. Another option is for redirect pages with major history to be archived into a talk namespace, and a link to them put into the article's talk page. (An example of such a page is a Talk:Network SouthEast, which was originally created as a duplicate article at Network SouthEast and later archived, when the original article was moved from Network South East.)

Minor history

A minor history on the other hand contains no information, for example the redirect page Eric Tracy has a minor history but Eric Treacy (which incidentally is the correct spelling) could not be moved there because of a spelling mistake in the original page. Redirect pages with minor histories can simply be deleted.

Tidying up

Whichever of these various options you take, moving pages will create double redirects in any redirects that pointed to the original page location. These must be fixed; click on the "What links here" button of the new page location to check for them. It is the responsibility of the admin doing the move to fix these, though periodically a bot will fix any you miss.

When you complete an entry on this page (whether the move was accepted or rejected), don't forget to remove the {{move}} tag from the talk page and if a discussion on the move exists on the talk page please add and sign a comment to indicate whether the move was accepted or rejected. Also, remove the entry from this page (do not simply strike it through).

It's worth periodically checking either Category:Requested_moves or here to see if any pages missed this step. Checking either of these regularly has the side-benefit of finding pages where people added the {{Move}} tag to the page, but didn't realize they needed to edit WP:RM as well.

Admins volunteering to do tidying tasks should watch this page for new notices.

History merges

There are two ways to deal with required merges of a copy/paste move which cannot be done right away.

One is to list the pages involved at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen.

The other is to move the history to /history and use {{pending merge}}. For example, Bicycle Thieves was moved to Bicycle Thieves/history and {{pending merge|Bicycle Thieves}} placed on the article. This also adds Category:Pending merge, all of which will be done later.

Additional notes

Multiple page moves

For single page moves with more than one option for the destination name:

For block moves:

An example of how to request to move a block of pages:

Another example of how to request to move a block of pages:

Relevant policies and guidelines

PLEASE NOTE:

In discussing a page move, or making a move request, please consider following Wikipedia policies and guidelines:

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