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July 16

alfalfa pills (vitamins)

To whoom it may concern:

I need to know the pros and cons of using this vitamin. What is it primarily used for, and also all pertinant information on this subject.

Thank you for all your help I greatly appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mento98 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This message board is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. Your question looks more suited to the Science Reference Desk. Try asking it there. --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 02:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Though if it is for medicinal purposes, we can't help you. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. Don't ask for, and don't accept any medical advice from Wikipedia. ≈ Chamal ^talk 02:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ARTIST ARTICLES

IN THE WP:BAND SECTION. IT STATES THAT A MUSICAL ARTIST WHO HAS A SONG THAT IS ON THE BILLBOARD CHARTS IS NOTABLE ENOUGH FOR AN ARTICLE. DOES THE "BUBBLING UNDER HOT 100 SINGLES" COUNT? I KNOW IT IS A 25-POSITION ADDENDUM TO THE HOT 100 BUT NOT SURE IF THAT IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.

Jaystylez561 (talk) 02:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't type in all-caps, it can be interpreted as shouting, which is rude. The problem you are going to have is that you need to have enough independent (i.e. not written by the subject) and reliable (see WP:RS) sources to add appropriate biographical information to the article. Even if the single has buzzed around just under the charts, as you indicate; there still needs to be reliable references for any biography of a living person. If there is nothing reliable to cite in writing your article, there's not much of a reason to write one. --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 02:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-breaking space

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Cptnono (talk) 06:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am working with square feet several times in an article and using "sq ft". This looks OK to do from what I have looked into. However, I was curious about non-breaking space use ("#&nbsp___"). What is the format if use is preferred? Thanks for any assistance!Cptnono (talk) 05:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also {{Convert}}. --Teratornis (talk) 07:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

awesome. I didn't think it existed for ft-m. Thanks, Teratornis!Cptnono (talk) 00:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

I don't know if this is just me, but some images' thumbnails aren't loading on some pages. When I click on the images, they show on the description page fine, so Idk what it is. I know Commons was down earlier and thumbs/uploads weren't working then, but I can now upload, so I figured the thumbs would be fine too. The articles in question are Meridian, Mississippi and History of Meridian, Mississippi, both of which have thumbs that won't display for me. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see those thumbnails either. --59.95.103.25 (talk) 07:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out if I change the size of the thumbs, they show up. Apparently it's only that specific thumbsize that's messed up. Sounds like a server problem to me? --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the thumbs on the pages with no problem. Have you tried to bypass your cache? If that doesn't work, this might be a good topic to take to the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). — QuantumEleven 07:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow.. I didn't think about that haha. I tried purging the server, but I didn't think about doing anything on my side. Silly me. It worked. Thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, no, it worked for every image except one. File:Bonita Lakes 1.JPG's thumb still won't display on Meridian, Mississippi for me. Should I take this over to the Village pump? --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that image, but if you're still having trouble after bypassing your cache, I would take this to the village pump. Good luck at getting it fixed! — QuantumEleven 08:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, image-server has been overloaded and flaky over the past few days. I had similar "some but not all images in an article"--no pattern, except that after a few hours they started working. DMacks (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

How do I change my user name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talk • contribs) 08:34, July 16, 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 08:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Policy on rumors

I haven't found a clear policy on rumors. This discussion Ok_to_Use_Rumors_as_Sources_in_Wikipedia is relevant, but it is not a solid policy.

The item in question is a rumor in Maya Moore. At a minimum, the existence of the rumor needs a citation, but I don't want to go to the effort of tracking down a citation, or asking someone else to do so, if the result should still be removed.

The sentence in question:

It is rumored that her choice of University of Connecticut over
 The University of Tennessee Lady Vols, and Pat Summitt's suspicion
 of recruiting violations on UConn's part,
 caused her to end the schools' early highly anticipated
 home and home match-up.

What do others think - is this ok if properly sourced, or should it simply be removed?--SPhilbrick T 13:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it is referenced, it is not "rumored". For example, if the reference is an article in the NY Times, it would replace "It is rumored..." with "As stated in the NY Times..." -- kainaw ™ 13:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) If it's properly sourced, it should stay, since we wouldn't be making up the rumors, but rather, reporting that reliable sources think they exist. A great way to do this would be to mention the source, something like "According to Sports Illustrated, it was rumored . . .". TN X Man 13:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also... if the rumor is very popular, but proven false, it should stay and note reliable sources that reported the rumor (they deserve egg on their face for reporting false rumors) and reliable sources that print the retractions. -- kainaw ™ 13:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, no. Rumors are rumors, even if reported in a reliable source. Either say "According to the New York Times, XXXX happened" or leave it out. If you have reason to doubt the validity of the New York Times report, then leave it out. We aren't here to document errors in another publication, we are here to build an encyclopedia. If you trust the report as factual, then cite it and move on. If you do not personally trust the report, and have other reliable sources which clearly disagree, then leave it out. To report a rumor merely because it showed up in a reliable source is a bad idea. --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 13:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) WP:V should be the main policy to be considered here. If we can find a RS source for the "rumour", then it is probably something notable and should be included. If it is just a rumour, an RS would state that, and I think in such a case it is better to state that it is a rumour. If it is given as a fact, then it would not be a rumour as Kainaw said. This is not the same as some speculation appearing in a blog or something like that, which should not be included in Wikipedia. We have to use our judgment in a situation like this; there's no way to create rules to allow for every possible thing. ≈ Chamal ^talk 13:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The NYT says:

As the story goes, suspicions were raised on how Auriemma might have landed Moore...

The NYT is a reliable source, but their statement isn't verifying that Summitt made the decision based upon violations, it merely asserts that some suspicions exist. I don't think that's strong enough to support the existing wording. maybe is should simply be reworded. However, I don't want to drag out a content discussion here, I'm trying to learn whether there are clear guidelines regarding the reporting of rumors.--SPhilbrick T 13:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning Jackobillia

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I have already tagged the said article with a few tags (notability, ect). I am just curious if this article constitutes a speedy delete. I see a lot of speedy deletes every day, but I do not know what I should tag this one as. -- Dspradau → talk 15:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's now been tagged for speedy per WP:CSD#G3, no content. – ukexpat (talk) 15:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

=> PROD as neologism. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humorous – discuss ]} 15:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll remember that! -- Dspradau → talk 15:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

question, please how can I link wikipedia site to my normal email site?

how can I link wikipedia site to my normal email site?. is there any way out, please help me. how can i also get books of iterest from this site/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wad4 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain further - what do you mean by "link...to my normal email site"? – ukexpat (talk) 15:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

adding external links to others' articles

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– – ukexpat (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi;

Is the addition of external links solely the right of article creators/editors, or can others - who would like to post an external link to a very closely related and relevant-to-the-article's-subject article - add links to the "External links" section of a Wikipedia article? (I've already read the Wikipedia guidelines on what constitutes appropriate/inappropriate external links.)

If others are allowed to do so, could you please point to the Wikipedia resources that describe how.

Thanks! Maberly (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No one owns or controls wikipedia articles. If you edit an article, then you are one of that article's editors. If you have appropriate external links to add, go ahead and do so as explained at Help:Link#External links. Algebraist 16:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maberly, if you add inappropriate links, another editor will end up removing them - but there is no harm in putting them in there. Just think to yourself "do these links add to the article, and are they non-advertising, non-spam, etc"... if the answer is Yes, follow Algebraist's advice. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you, Algebraist and PhantomSteve! Maberly (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moving new article to "live" wikipedia

I have created a new article after re-checking that this article doesn't exist. I created it by clicking on the red "create this article" link and logging into my wiki account. It was created on 7/13 and I have previewed and "saved" the page. But this new article - titled "Multi-probiotic" - is still not available on a wiki article search. How do I make this article live, to be viewed by the public? Currently, it just displays in my own wiki account. Or, is there a lag time I'm not aware of after saving the article before it can be displayed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annamacd (talk • contribs) 16:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It will have to be moved from your user space to the main space, but at the moment I don't think it's ready. It's a little spammy - use of the ® and TM symbols is not appropriate in an encyclopedia. Did you consider adding the non-spammy content to the Probiotic article? – ukexpat (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation links

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– – ukexpat (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am attempting to remove these [[1]] disambiguation links that are wrong, can anyone please tell me how to do it? As far as I can see they are like wrongly added redirects? and need removing for the GA reassesment. (Off2riorob (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Fixed –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Labour Party should be [[Labour Party (UK)|Labour Party]] and Dunfermline East should be [[Dunfermline East (UK Parliament constituency)|Dunfermline East]]. – ukexpat (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. I see it now. (Off2riorob (talk) 16:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Category:Football League of Ireland Players

Does anyone know where I can get a list of the above players (off-wiki, reliable third party source) so I can source the unsourced articles in the above category? Aditya (talk) 17:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may have to do multiple sources, even individual ones for each player/team. hmwith τ 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few possible sources:

Question

I keep getting this message when I try to access wikipedia information via google search... any ideas on how to avoid this? Thanks in advance : )

"Windows has the following information about this MIME type. This page will help you find software needed to open your file.

MIME Type: application/x-gzip-compressed

Description: UnKnown

Windows does not recognize this MIME type.

You can search the following Web site for related software and information: Windows Live Search"

Thanks again, Steph —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephy73 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note, I've created this question in a new section. Next time click on "create new section" at the top of the page when you want to ask a question. Cheers, Aditya (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you trying to read articles or edit them? If you are trying to edit them, there may be a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" link at the top of this page and then click on the editing tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. TN X Man 19:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was also reported at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 February 9#New Problem of Accessing Wikipedia from the Google Search Engine, but it was not solved. It may be an incompatibility involving a combination between Google, Wikipedia and your browser or something else on your computer. Which browser do you have? Does it happen when you copy the url to the address bar? Google's source on a search page for "Computer" says:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer" class=l onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','3','')"><em>Computer</em> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>

A standard link would not contain the part

class=l onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','3','')

Maybe that part tries to pass something Wikipedia cannot communicate correctly with your browser, but I don't know much about the topic. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also reported this issue a week ago or so on this board. It appears to be a relatively common problem with IE8. I have the same issue with my computer at work. Here is a page that doesn't open: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Borromeo I saw on another board that it appears to be a MIME problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbnagy (talk • contribs) 03:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If IE8 can't yet handle gzipped files, then that's a serious problem with IE8. I don't know that there's much Wikipedia can do. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humorous – discuss ]} 17:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Bold text[reply]

symbols

all over the sites and forums and user pages of a game i play i see weird symbols that are not on any keyborad ive ever seen......i kept asking around about them and in three weeks i got a tip that some are made on wiki......how do you make them??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokonachiko (talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to Unicode symbols? --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 19:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Give us a clue about what sites and what symbols you are asking about. —teb728 t c 20:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone adds them to the edit window for Wikipedia & then copy/pastes them elsewhere. See the bottom of the page in the edit window. Right below "Save page", there's a line that has a drop-down box with "Insert" inside. Select any of the options in the drop-down menu for a selection of symbols. I hope this helped, hmwith τ 10:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to make a new topic?

Can anyone help with posting a new topic? is that possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenstaralley (talk • contribs) 19:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. – ukexpat (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to use Template:Random portal component

Using {{Random portal component}} on the "Selected article" and "Selected character" sections of Portal:A Series of Unfortunate Events, I have been unable to get the selected excerpts to alternate without purging the cache. Yet pages like Portal:The Simpsons alternate every time you refresh the page. Clearly I did something wrong.

These are the pages that fail to alternate (transcluded at Portal:A Series of Unfortunate Events):

— The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 21:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found the problem. First, you don't need the seed parameter if you have the max number. It is redundant. The actual problem was that the random component template displayed like this:

{{Random portal component|max=2|header=''Selected article''|subpage=Selected article}}

The quotation marks were not supposed to wrap the Selected articles, so it was supposed to be as follows:

{{Random portal component|max=2|header=Selected article|subpage=Selected article}}

I've fixed everything now so you can continue creating more random components. Remember to update the "max" number with the amount of components. Hope this fixes everything. Zoo Fari 02:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking into it, but these changes have not solved the problem. I had wondered myself about the seed. As for the quotations marks, they are apostrophes set to italicize the title of the boxes in accordance with all other boxes on the page, and seem to have no effect on the situation (as I would imagine). Frankly, I'm stymied. Do the pages alternate on anyone else's computers with a simple refresh instead of purging? They do not on mine. Again, I cite Portal:The Simpsons as a page which successfully alternates. I have no idea what the difference could be. — The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 09:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They seem to alternate when purging. They won't alternate all the time. The more components, the random it gets. Still a problem? We can continue on my talk page... Zoo Fari 15:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Password Forgotten

How do I find my password if I forgot it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.211.4.117 (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you associated an email with the account, you can have your password emailed to you from the login screen. If not, then unfortunately, your account is unrecoverable. TN X Man 21:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Veitshakmah.png

This was deleted as an orphaned nonfree image, but discussion at MCQ agreed that it actually fit under {{PD-text}}. The uploader has asked me to restore it, but every time I try, I get one of those basic servers-are-down error messages. Until just a moment ago (i.e. a few minutes after I stopped trying to restore it), nothing appeared; however, just now I found that the description only had been restored. The image itself (a word or two in Hebrew and a transliteration of that text) has not appeared, but as I've officially restored everything, I can't even access the image. Any ideas how to get the image back? Nyttend (talk) 23:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the top of image pages at Wikipedia there is a notice that says "There is a problem with the image storage. We are in the process of fixing it." This may be related to your problems. There has been a major slowdown in Wikipedia lately due to this problem; editors from Europe have really noticed how image loading has crippled some areas of Wikipedia. Apparently, the devs are working on this, and its just one of those things we're all gonna havta deal with for a little while longer. --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 03:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

Avoiding sexual images

What is the best way to avoid images that contain nudity or sexual content?--Mikespedia (talk) 04:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia? The only reliable way is to block images on the site altogether. There's a bit more information at Wikipedia:Options to not see an image. Algebraist 04:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or simply don't visit pages likely to contain such images. GARDEN says no to drama 08:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear what you mean by "best". There are various methods for avoiding certain kinds of content, and each method has its own combination of tradeoffs. For example, you could move to The People's Republic of China, where Internet censorship is evidently quite effective. But that would probably be inconvenient, depending on where you live now, and you might not agree with the censors' idea of what is acceptable. If you tell us more about what you typically read on Wikipedia, where you are running into objectionable images, and how much inconvenience you can tolerate, we might advise you better. --Teratornis (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The best way would be to simply avoid articles that might possibly have nudity or sexual content. Articles about nudism, for example, might well have nude illustrations. Articles about mathematics are less likely to. (Unless Tom Lehrer ever finishes his masterwork, Tropic of Calculus.) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 21:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thats true for avoiding images but some people like to insert them into talk pages even though they have no real apparent useage to the article. As well there have been issues regarding christianity articles and semi nudes paintings posted there. I think if you want to be fully safe then diasable pictures as algebraist has mentioned. Other wise like others have mentioned use caution in some of the pages you visit Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least one mathematical textbook contains entirely gratuitous nude photographs. The trend doesn't seem to have reached Wikipedia yet, though. Algebraist 21:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would that be the one that can get you into trouble if you travel to Israel with it, for a completely unrelated reason? Or are there two such books? Hans Adler 22:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to believe wikipedia would be behind that curve. Which reminds me, I'm guessing that book is about the subject of topology. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 22:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm talking about Bruno Poizat's Groupes stables. I'm not aware of any Israeli issues, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Algebraist 18:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The publisher's name is in Arabic. It's completely non-terroristic, meaning "Light of Logic and Knowledge", but supposedly can lead to questioning. (Btw, he later wrote: "In my second book I had to explain that I did not wish that this name be applied to myself, but to the collection of books that I was launching.") Hans Adler 19:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on what you're willing to give up, and why you're asking, you could also consider http://schools-wikipedia.org/. It's been sanitized and de-vandalized. I sometimes send my kids there to look something up, as they're not old enough for me to let them look something up here. Article selection is limited, but not horrible, if you're asking for your kids use. An adult might find it too confining, though. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting images from the Commons

How can I nominate an image from the Wikimedia Commons for deletion? • S • C • A • R • C • E • 07:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For blatant copyright violations use {{copyvio|url=http://link}}; for possibly unfree images (suspected copyvio but source is not known) or other reasons (like image being out of scope), use {{Delete}} and follow the steps written on the template to create a discussion. --59.95.98.122 (talk) 07:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

→Deletion policy. 59.95.98.122 (talk) 07:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

plainlinksneverexpand

Where is the class plainlinksneverexpand defined? --Redaktor (talk) 08:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean?

I assume you mean for instance the <span class="plainlinksneverexpand">. Could be wrong. "plainlinks" works on Wikipedia but I'm not sure on the other bit. GARDEN says no to drama 09:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A search of the help desk archive gives this response from way back in 2005: "On "plainlinksneverexpand", see MediaWiki talk:Monobook.css and Template talk:Ref. The short breakdown: within an HTML element of class "plainlinks", external links do not get the arrow icon. I have added "plainlinksneverexpand" yesterday, it also suppresses the arrow icon, but additionally also URL expansion when printing. (URL expansion is the process that makes external links print like "[link text as shown on screen] (http://actual URL of that ext link here)".) Lupo 07:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)" Does that answer your question, Redaktor? Gonzonoir (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The class plainlinksneverexpand was deprecated and replaced by plainlinks nourlexpansion"[2], but is is back in the catalog. MediaWiki:Print.css certainly does not define it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for all the reponses! --Redaktor (talk) 06:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow background

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE

– Jane Eyre

I've noticed that words like restaurant and vegetarian are highlighted in yellow What's going on? Kayau |Jane Eyre| PRIDE AND PREJUDICE| les miserables 09:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where? — QuantumEleven 09:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right here! And Restaurant, List of vegetarians -- practically everywhere with those two words!

Press Ctrl+F and clear anything that might be in there. You might have a toolbar (for instance the Google toolbar on Firefox has the ability to highlight search results) so you could clear that. GARDEN says no to drama 09:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Wikipedia itself doesn't highlight those words. I've never seen words highlighted like you say. hmwith τ 10:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it only every link that shows up highlighted in yellow? hmwith τ 10:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything like that when I look at it. Must be something with your browser. Please tell us if it was your browser. Thanks. Arlen22 (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are viewing a page that Google has cached, your search terms will be highlighted in yellow. See this page for an example. TNXMan 14:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe it.. It's GONE now... Wait, you do have explanations. Thanks. Kayau |Jane Eyre| PRIDE AND PREJUDICE| les miserables 04:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

School seal/logo image

I just read your message on my article which says, "There is a problem with the image storage. We are in the process of fixing it." I am very Sorry for the previous images that I had uploaded. It was my big mistake. I thought the photos would go automatically into my article when I first uploaded them. I've seen the school seal or logo templates of the other educational institutions and they are really "attractive" and thought if i can also insert one into mine. I've been tryin to learn how to create a template for my alma mater's seal but it is so difficult. I went berserk. I finally found the wikipedia site on how to insert school logo template last week (only) and I am now studying it carefully. May i therefore request you to please delete all photos that I had uploaded months ago and let me start all over again. I will then insert the school seal template when I feel confident in doing it. Thanks again and regards from Palengkero.Palengkero (talk) 09:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To insert images, use the following code: [[File:Ismael Mathay Sr. High School.JPG|200px|thumb|right]]

This will work despite the image server being in a bit of a huff at the minute. GARDEN says no to drama 09:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

However, the image you have uploaded is not in the public domain as you claim, but rather a logo. Plesae read the non-free content criteria to see if your image can be used on the website under a claim of fair use. Thanks. GARDEN says no to drama 09:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello NODRAMA, i stand to be corrected. yes, that was my mistake months ago. It was a school logo that i had uploaded. but do i still need the copyright of my school logo although i am the creator of the very first and only existing website of the Ismael Mathay Sr. High School (since 2005)? so far, i am also the only and first one to "produce" an image of the school logo in the internet. Please advise me before i consider inserting my school logo template later. Thanks for your time.Palengkero (talk) 10:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Garden", NODRAMA is a link in my signature :) That shouldn't matter as the logo is obviously still copyright to the school (or the authority running the school). Its use on Wikipedia is subject to our non-free content criteria and requires a detailed fair use rationale. I have added the latter to the image page so it should be set for insertion into the article. Regards, GARDEN says no to drama 10:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ooppps, sorry, I think i copied and pasted the wrong word. nonetheless, you have a nice signature. That would be a good title for a novel, "The Garden of Drama". who knows if there was really a "Garden of Eden" hahaha. anyhow, i think i own the school logo of Ismael Mathay Sr. HS. dya know that this article that i made in Wikipedia was a "Global News" and breaking news in the Philippines? Wikipedia is truly amazing. i dont actually live in the Philippines but as a nostalgic revisit, i wrote the history of my poor ole school, as you can see my signature. it was based from "palengke' where i went to high school (teardrops). Palengkero (talk) 11:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, guess so ;) Unfortunately I don't think you do own the logo as the copyright belongs to the organisation who use it (the school). And yes, Wikipedia is amazing :) GARDEN says no to drama 11:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, i wont be using the logo with Wikipedia then. I tried to email the school authorities a couple of months ago but it bounced back. who knows if they have computers in the school hahaha. i can only reach alumni/alumnae based in the US, Canada, Europe and some parts of Asia. However, many students and alumni including faculty in the Philippines have already accessed Wikipedia based from the Forums that were linked to my website. They were all very happy. BTW "garden", may i use other school photo that i have taken such as the school building or schoolground in lieu of Logo? otherwise, my photo hahaha Palengkero (talk) 11:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded the logo with an appropriate non-free use rationale and added it to the article. – ukexpat (talk) 13:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Ukexpat! OMG, i was overwhelmed to see the seal in my article. i was flabbergasted, speechless, electrified. Thanks and thank you so much. I'll see ya in the London Olympiad hahahha. Go Manchester!!!!!!!!!!! Palengkero (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the other pictures of the school you have mentioned, there's no problem with using them as long as they are free images. ≈ Chamal ^talk 14:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Chamal N! thanks for your attention. I checked your user page and read that you're an Sri Lankan. I've had great friends originally from Sri lanka mainly in Colombo. I had my bestfriend for many years, his name is Thiru from Kandy. I have visited the Sri lankan hindu temple here. Thiru brought me there. Interesting. I'll be reading some of your articles that you mentioned in your User page next time. It's a bit late here. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Palengkero (talk • contribs) 14:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipages as pdf

I am a regular user/reader of your website. However today(1st September 2007) while reading a thought came into my mind. What if the online material (page) available on the website can be downloaded in the form of a PDF document? It will save a user's time to search the same article everytime he needs it. Also if a user access the same page multiple times he might put different keywords and would get a different result each time. Also he will not have to log in to the internet each time he needs the same. This is beneficial for users in countries like mine where there are more dial up users and who are not connected on 24X7 basis. Whenever needed the PDF can be accessed from the hard disk. Manish Gangal <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.54.236.42 (talk) 11:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We have already implemented something like this. See our section on creating PDF books that you can save to your computer. TNXMan 11:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) This feature is already available. In the navigation bar on the left, there is a "toolbox". You will find a link named "PDF version" there. Cheers. ≈ Chamal ^talk 11:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You will if you register an account, anyway. The link isn't present for unregistered users for some reason. Algebraist 14:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

how to use wikipedia?

I am a new user of wikipedia but my challenge is that when reading an article on wikipedia i always get lost from my main article because of the numerous links that are embedded in such article. Please advise on how to remain focuse on the main reading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.220.74.58 (talk) 14:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can refrain from clicking those links? But if you have an account, you can use Popups, which would enable you to view the first paragraph of a linked article without leaving the current page you are on. ≈ Chamal ^talk 14:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or just use tabbed browsing like everyone else. Algebraist 14:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you just need to learn not to be distracted - it's a case of self-discipline, I'm afraid, and as such not something we can help you with. Or alternatively, just make sure you have lots of spare time! Oh, I hope you haven't been distracted by all those links otherwise you'll be here all day getting to the end of this paragraph! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could read the Simple English Wikipedia. The articles are shorter. For example, compare Earth and Simple:Earth. However, the Simple English Wikipedia still has lots of links. --Teratornis (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Transwiki Import

I am setting up a personal wiki and am wondering how to import stuff from the WikiMedia websites using transwiki. If someone could take a screenshot of the Transwiki import screen on wikipedia for my reference that would be appreciated. If possible, please have the list of wikis to import from open. Thanks Arlen22 (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for help on using Wikipedia. You can try at the MediaWiki Support Desk, which is for help on the MediaWiki software. Cheers. ≈ Chamal ^talk 14:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

first time on the net

new to WWW,am puter intuitive....want to enter new word definition.15:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)15:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)67.244.244.44 (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Google, where you can search for anything you want. Good luck, ZooFari 15:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But please don't create a Wikipedia article about the neoligism. – ukexpat (talk) 15:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RTL languages

how can i send an article in RTL format? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joomlart (talk • contribs) 16:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I presume you mean Right-to-left languages? What do you mean by "how can I send"? Could you give an example of what article you are thinking of? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked at your contribution, I think you need to remember that this is the English wikipedia, and the articles should be in English (except for relevant quotes etc) - you would need to submit your article to the relevant wikipedia at the List of Wikipedias. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

posting my article

I thought I posted this yesterday,but it's not coming up when I do a search.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BRockpr/Bulle_Rock

How do I make this page live?BRockpr (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You need to move the page to the mainspace, but I want to give you a heads up that if you do, it will probably be deleted very quickly as spam/advertising. Please read our info on writing from a neutral point of view and conflict of interest. TNXMan 17:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the fact that almost the entire article seems to be quoting from a website - which means that the text's copyright is owned by the website/article author, and so could not be reproduced here. As Tnxman says, your user name makes it clear that your account is for the PR of Bulle Rocke, and so has a conflict of interest. May I suggest that you make notes of the main facts to be put in an article and make a Request for an article to be written. You'd have to provide citations showing its notability (and advertising sites would not count!). PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged the page for deletion as a copyvio and reported the user name to WP:UAA, no need to beat about the bush here. – ukexpat (talk) 17:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppet report thingy

Is there a way that I can change Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hasmme Vogel to a Check User request? Iowateen (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first you would have to say who their suspected sockpuppets/sockmasters are. As it stands, I have blocked the user indefinitely for threats of violence and generally disruptive editing. TNXMan 17:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changing Several Wikipedia topic pages in a short time

For quite some time, I have been very interested in the restaurant industry as a business analyst. I have amassed a large collection of restaurant menus from well-known places at the time of their heyday (i.e. the Stork Club, the Copacabana, the Pump Room, etc.) I have scanned these menus and make them available at no charge on my personal website. Last evening, I sought to include a link to my Menu page on the wikipedia pages for a number of these historic (an out-of-business) places. Apparently, I made too many changes and got a notification that sometimes spammer make repeated changes to wikipedia pages.

After reviewing communication options, this seemed to be the only way to tell the community that I am not a spammer, just someone trying to share information with the community. My entire website is totally non-commercial and has no advertising. It is strictly a hobby. The Menus Page in question is www.jitterbuzz.com/menus.html and the community is welcome to verify that I am neither spamming nor attaining personal gain by giving away images of historical menus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.59.114.26 (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make the fruits of your labours freely available, why don't you upload your scans to Wikimedia Commons which is designed to be a repository for media? I would also suggest that you create an account. If you do, head over to WP:SUL to automatically create an account on Commons (and all other Wikimedia projects). – ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think a good way also to make clear you arent spamming is to provide a good edit summary to your edits. That tells people who are monitoring additions to wikipdia what the link actually is. happy editingOttawa4ever (talk) 18:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the original menu is under copyright, (I assume generally to be the case), the fact that he or she has obtained a menu doesn't create the right to upload the scanned image, does it? And if the image isn't free, is it even OK to have a link to a site displaying such an image? I don't know the answers to these questions, although my guess is that neither is allowed I hope one of our copyright mavens will weigh in more definitively, or point OP to the right place to ask.--SPhilbrick T 19:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are indeed correct, I should have known better and I have struck my comment. The place to ask about this would be WP:MCQ – ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

My understanding of the copyright laws isn't very deep, but unless these menus are very old, then they would be under copyright. This would certainly apply if they company is still in operation, but I would think that even if the company no longer exists, there is a copyright holder somewhere and the OP is not the copyright owner. A copy of a copyrighted item is still copyrighted to the original copyright owner, as far as I know. Just my 0.02. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 19:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the links under Commons:COM:EIC#Copyright, for example Commons:Commons:Image casebook#Posters which seems to be the closest case to restaurant menus. Commons:Help:Public domain tells how long one has to wait for copyrighted works to revert to the public domain. If you want to upload images to Commons that are protected by copyright, see Commons:COM:OTRS for a procedure to follow if you are able to obtain permission from the copyright holders. And for a bit of bad news, WP:EL#Restrictions on linking says:

"Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors."

Which means that despite the original poster's well-intentioned hobby, as well as the low probability that the copyright holder of a menu from a defunct restaurant would have a continuing interest in it, Wikipedia should not contain links to an external site that displays content in violation of copyright law. The original poster could get around this by obtaining permission to publish the menus freely and documenting that permission with our OTRS procedure. --Teratornis (talk) 20:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have visited the website and some of the menus appear to possibly date to prior to 1923. Any menu that does is in the public domain and may be uploaded to the Commons. If the event you know the identity of the author of any particular menu, and that person died more than 70 years ago (i.e., they died on July 18, 1939 or earlier) that menu too is in the public domain.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

how do I flag an article to semi protect?

this article Stagga_Lee seems to be attacked alot by anon-ip's. How would I flag such an article for protection. I looked but I get lost in all the help pages. thanks Ivtv (talk) 21:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You want WP:RPP. Algebraist 21:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and post a new entry, following the format of existing entries. It's pretty easy to use. Since it's anon-IP's, ask for either permanent or lengthy semi-protection, which means established editors can edit it, but IP's and other new users are locked out. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 21:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The two gazelles above have already beaten me there but yes, go to WP:RFPP if you want to get the attention of an admin. Depending on the level of vandalism and who from, the page may or may not be protected. Harlem675 21:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If all else fails, go to WP:RPP and file a report. Then file your TPS Report. Just make sure you don't forget the cover sheet. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 21:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected for a period of 1 week, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New article

I created the article Hand Held Computer. During construction I worked on it at User:Buster7/Hand Held Computer which is now blank but still exists. How do I get rid or User:Buster7/Hand Held Computer ??--Buster7 (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Place {{db-user}} on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Converting a user page to an article page

I have a user page that I would not like to convert to an article page. Where the instructions on how to accomplish that. Dsoapes (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is done by moving the page, which you are too new an editor to be authorized to do. I've moved the page, but I've also nominated it for speedy deletion, since it seems to be about a non-notable small business. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

New account and password not honored

I attempted to create a new account so that I could ask a question on the Swedish wiki. The username and password seemed to be accepted, but then it reverted to logging in and the password was not accepted. Can you help?66.217.131.190 (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is your username? Did you create your account on the Swedish wikipedia, here on the English wikipedia, or in some other place? Algebraist 01:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have to either create the account at the language where you want to edit, or use unified login. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorporating a brief article into a longer one

I'm new to Wikipedia. I created a brief article about Armilenium, and now I see that it really ought to just be part of the longer article about sandwich compounds.

The entire Armilenium article is two sentences, followed by four references. How can I properly incorporate it into the longer article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armdan (talk • contribs) 03:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Merge. Kayau |Jane Eyre| PRIDE AND PREJUDICE| les miserables 04:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And see Wikipedia:Footnotes for how to make inline references which is better for the longer target article where they are already used. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Official web site of biographical subjects

Many infoboxes have a field for the official web site of the subject of the article. The links are often placed in the external links section. Are there any guidelines for/against this practice? Anything that says it should just be in the infobox and not the ext. links section as well? Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 03:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. There's no guideline regarding infoboxes; the relevant wikiproject would usually decide what needs to be included in them. In this case, it would be useful to have the official website in the infobox for easy access and reference. Wikipedia:EL#Maintenance_and_review says that "duplicative links may be deleted" so I guess that would apply. When it's included in the infobox and the external links section, that would be a duplicated link and one should be removed according to this. Since the infobox would present it better, I think the one in the External links section has to go. ≈ Chamal ^talk 03:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I don't think the fact that the link is available in a totally different place is a good reason to remove it from the external links section. A reader may well look for the link in the external links section, expecting it to be there, and be frustrated to not find it. Algebraist 04:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I say you have both. Kayau |Jane Eyre| PRIDE AND PREJUDICE| les miserables 04:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What if both are visible within the same page view. This is the case on many stub articles. Dismas|^(talk) 05:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My feeling on this is that they should both be kept on the page. As Algebraist says, a reader may look for it at "external links" (not even looking at the infobox). Dismas - if both are kept, it should still be kept on the page if it is a stub, as eventually it will become a full-fledged article! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 06:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both. It would not have occurred to me to look in the info box - I've looked at hundreds of info boxes that do not have a link.--SPhilbrick T 16:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

cars

who owns the maximum rolls royce —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.97.147.233 (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, that's what the help desk is for!) Good luck! --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 05:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry form description "How Fortunate the Man with None" by Bertolt Brecht

Poetry form description for "How Fortunate the Man with None" by Bertolt Brecht —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.70.209 (talk) 08:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do your own homework. Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.
Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Wikipedia or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Article

I don't understand why the picture of bhutto was deleted, even though i have done it with my true spirit !!!!!

The death of "Zulfikar Ali Bhutto" was on 4th April 1979, so i dont understand why people contradict it with the date of coup of General Zia ul-haq, which was on 5th July 1977 (meaning his [bhutto] government has been toppled) .. so why people are mixing both dates.....

can anyone clarify these things for me thx.... Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZHJ786 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The picture was deleted the first time because according to administrative logs, it was corrupt or empty of content. A blank picture, possibly. The second time, you failed to provide a fair-use rationale. As for your second question, voice your concern on the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto talk page or ask an editor directly. They will probably know why. TechOutsider (talk) 09:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help! Messages not being displayed on my talk page

For 4 months - since March 9 - I have not had any visible new posts. I can see new posts when I click on edit this page, and I moved some problem edits up to the top which made them appear on the talk page. I have tried testing it with dummy posts but nothing is registering.

All my tests are shown in the edits and the history. If anyone can help sort this problem out, I would be very grateful. Rikstar⁴⁰⁹ 10:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should be fixed now (and you should have loads of posts that appear to come from me - not my fault, honest!)

The problem was <ref> tags that weren't enclosed in <nowiki> tags - I added the <nowiki> tags and all should now be good.

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 10:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are a star, and a quick worker at that. Many many thanks. Rikstar⁴⁰⁹ 10:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It went wrong in [3] and ~~~~ didn't expand to signatures and time stamps after that. They all expanded to TFOWR's signature and the current time when TFOWR fixed the page. The page history shows who posted what when. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've had this happen before (this isn't the first time I've fixed a mis-behaving talk page!) - is there any easy way to deal with this, or is it just a case of trawling through the history and using {{unsigned}} (or is there a better template)? Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 09:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Font styles

How can I change the font face of what I'm typing into Rockwell Extra Bold font face?--Launchballer (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to the font of your actual question, that can't be changed, AFAIK (your talk page is the only place where I believe it's possible). You can change the font of your signature. Head over to this page for how to do so. TNXMan 12:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Text entered in Wikipedia can be set to a specific font, but it almost always shouldn't. You can change the font you read Wikipedia in by changing your browser settings, of course. Algebraist 15:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Picture vandalism

Can anyone work out how to revert the change to the tony blair picture. (Off2riorob (talk) 11:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

No! Odd, I fixed some image vandalism recently and it was straightforward. I've changed to a different image until this is resolved.

For reference, the vandalised image is commons:File:Tony Blair WEF 2008 cropped.jpg.

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 11:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, i'll have a word at commons. (Off2riorob (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Cool. I've got an account there, so I figured I could fix it, but I can't see anything in the file's history. Ping me if there's anything I can do with my commons hat on. (Oh, and re: Gordon Brown, I'm still waiting for a couple of PC-related deliveries so I'm free for the time being to do GB stuff). Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 11:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The log indicates something went wrong on 9 July.[4] It may require a commons admin to sort out. I have posted to commons:User talk:Martin H.#File:Tony Blair WEF 2008 cropped.jpg. Google's cache shows the vandalized version was on Tony Blair 16 July so I guess it has been there since 9 July. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that when Google's cache says "It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 16 Jul 2009", that only applies to the text and not the images, so I cannot say whether a vandalized image was displayed on 16 July. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just reuploaded it from flickr. Can images be full protected like normal pages? This one's used on 40 pages across wikipedia[5]. —SpaceFlight89 13:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images can be protected. I'm not active at commons but see commons:Commons:Page protection PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I answered on my talkpage already. I dont know how this is possible. The original image was cropped by Kelson from an WEF image, it was vandalized with some rotten.com image of a dead foot, I deleted this vandalism and also the following revert by Timrollpickering, just to keep the image in the original uploaders gallery. Now a poster of the lemon party is indicated as Kelsons 2008-03-27 upload. I dont know how this is possible without any entry in the log or file history. Needs technical assistance, maybe it is something like commons:File:2001-2002 Holden VX II Commodore Executive sedan 03.jpg added to commons without a log entry or a filepage (no history). Im realy interested who vandalized the image. --Martin H. (talk) 14:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a poster for a political party. The content of the displayed url (not safe for work) is described at Shock site#Lemonparty.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting, perhaps there has been some kind of internal wikipedia oversight? It's quite amusing...thank you for repairing . (Off2riorob (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Images

Im on creating a page for International Cricket Captain 2009, but i want to add the box art. A found out that i needed to upload the image to wikipedia but im unable to do this as i am not a autoconfirmed user or something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Troggy3112 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is Wikipedia's policy. Wait a few days and this permission will be automatically granted to you. If you drop me an email at connorjackturnbull@googlemail.com I can upload this SporeFan (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WARNING

This is not meant to be a hack or anything...I have no clue where to put this so I will put it here. I am a BZP user, and our website was recently hacked by a group who call themselves the "Men in Black." They're pretty effective hackers, and they have named you next, so I would suggest making any preparations against them soon.

This account was created soley for the purpose of delivering this message. Please close it once an admin sees this.

-MT —Preceding unsigned comment added by MT Zehvor (talk • contribs) 15:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the warning. I am confident that wikipedia is entirely safe from hacking, they will probably just try to vandalise, and we deal with hundreds of vandals daily, but thanks anyway, all the best Spitfire^Tally-ho! 16:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia will have such, much more powerful security protection against hacking as it is such a big site 92.3.214.97 (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's Westerly Armory Museum not Westerly Army Museum

Resolved

– by Ottawa4ever. Entry now correct.

Thank you.

Roberta Mudge Humble President Westerly Armory Restoration, Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.74.6 (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't seem to have an article about the Westerly Army Museum. Did you have a problem with some of our content? Or did you have a question about using wikipedia? In either case could you please make your question a little clearer, kind regards Spitfire^Tally-ho! 17:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed on List_of_museums_in_Rhode_Island - and the official website shows this, so I am going to amend the entry. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

already corrected :) Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I see... thanks, Ottawa! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And me sitting here scratching my head in confusion :). Thanks guys Spitfire^Tally-ho! 17:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

lol... i just did a quick search on wikipedia, and found it listed on that list of museums! Anyway, I'm glad it's not me being confused this time! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EDITING

How do I change the title of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SOTHEBY'S (talk • contribs) 19:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Moving a page. The leftorium 19:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can't yet, as your account is too new. I'll move it for you. Algebraist 19:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We now have two articles about the same guy - Vitali Shvedul and Vitali Schvedul - anyone know the correct spelling? Google comes up with nothing. – ukexpat (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The articles themselves both spell it "Shvedul". —teb728 t c 01:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Google has a few for "Vitaly Shvedul", too. Algebraist 01:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks, redirected. – ukexpat (talk) 01:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disambigaution

If I can't find the exact article to fix a disambiguation, what is the correct procedure: (a) leave as is; (b) tag it with {{dn}}; (c) redlink it so that an article may get created by another; (d) change to point at Wiktionary? For specifics, please see Talk:Mandate --Redrose64 (talk) 20:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no appropriate article, I think the link should just be removed. We shouldn't start linking to Wiktionary whenever we use a common English term. Algebraist 20:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Musician page

I'm trying to create a page about my musical project named Necromanther but wikipedia keeps deleting it, i'm always trying to post the content and I always put the important information.

Please help, I can't understand why my article is always deleted! :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necromanther (talk • contribs) 21:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have now been blocked for 31 hours, after this period expires you are welcome to edit constructively, but please do not continue to introduce inappropriate pages. I can not see the content of the page you created, and so cannot judge it, however I assume C.Fred, the user who blocked you, knew what he was talking about and so please don't recreate the article, instead we welcome you to edit constructively in other areas after your block expires, if you would like more information about how to edit constructively please post a question about it here after your block expires. Best wishes Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. In your case, the article doesn't seem to indicate encyclopedic importance— the musical project may be important to you, but including articles just to keep someone happy will make Wikipedia unmanageable. Before recreating the article again, I suggest you find reliable sources that discuss the project and create the article in your sandbox. If you are unable to find independent sources, then perhaps the project isn't notable yet and hence unsuitable for Wikipedia (but maybe suitable in the future if you work hard on your music). When your block expires your are free to edit articles, but self-promotion isn't appreciated. --59.95.99.203 (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How do you find reasons or information about deletions?

I've never been able to understand how to find out about why articles have been deleted. For example, the following deletion does not even appear in the deletion log of the editor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_rate_mortgage_calculations_(USA)

SalineBrain (talk) 21:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does here. --59.95.99.203 (talk) 21:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to check the deletion log. --59.95.99.203 (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

---OK, so the deletion log shows exactly the same information as the deleted page: Proposed deletion (PROD), but still no idea of why it was proposed nor example supporting proposal... SalineBrain (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody tagged the article with {{subst:prod|reason}} and it was deleted after 5 days without any discussion. Usually the admin who deletes prods quotes the deletion reason in the log, but in this case they didn't. To know the reason you will have to ask an admin to look at the deleted edits (and you can also get the article restored if you want). 59.95.100.45 (talk) 04:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The prod said "This is an instruction manual, something that fails WP:NOT." PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

cant find saved new document in my space

I wish to start a new page. Per your help page I started constructing the article in my user space and saved it repeatedly.

When I came back to my account, there is no trace of the saved document.

What's up? How can I search for it?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by HITfirefighter (talk • contribs) 22:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure to what you are referring. The list of all your contributions is here (you have no deleted contributions). Is it possible that you hit "show preview" instead of "save page" at the bottom? TNXMan 23:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you remember the exact title under which you saved your article? Algebraist 23:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chief Medical Information Officer was the title. I know that I saved it because the first time I did not, so I went back recreated by draft buy copying and editing a similar page and then gave the edit a name and saved it, made more edits, saved it, etc. Did this about 4 times but as you demonstrated, the log shows none of that. Clearly there must be a flaw in the system that does not issue a error message if you try saving and it is not capable of completing the command. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HITfirefighter (talk • contribs) 23:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You said you saved it in user space, but Chief Medical Information Officer is not a user-space title. Do you remember the user-space title? —teb728 t c 23:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can find no trace of it. Are you sure of the following:

You clicked "Save page" like when you posted here and not "Show preview".
There was no message telling you it could not be saved or asking you to do something else after you clicked "Save page".
The page was displayed in your browser after you saved it.
You were at the English Wikipedia.
You were logged in to the account HITfirefighter and not User:Alexjohnas or any other.

When did you first save it? I could only find User:Alexjohnas with Wikipedia's search function but it takes some time to update the search index after changes. If your browser had lost your login during the session (this often happens) then it might have been saved under an IP address for the used computer. Do you see it if you log out and click Special:Mycontributions? If you reveal the IP address then I can also check for deleted edits (which are only visible to admins) by that IP. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to link to an ambigious term

How do I make a link inside a wiki article to an ambigious term? I am trying to link the word "masses" to the "Mass (liturgy)" wiki article. Of course "mass" is an ambigious term which could refer to many articles and I want the link to take the reader directly to the Catholic mass article.

The page which I am trying to do this at is "Bishop Guilfoyle High School". The code which I thought was correct for this action is "Masses". According to what I've learned on wikipedia, the code should direct the text "Masses" to the page Mass (liturgy) but wikipedia is saying that such a page doesn't exist.

I have tried many variations on the code to try and fix it but none have worked. Thank you,

--Baumgaertner (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thus:masses. See Help:Link for more info. Algebraist 23:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your link target has a non-breaking space, not a regular old space. Algebraist 23:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

your masses link works but mine doesn't and the only difference I see is that yours doesnt use

a capital on "masses". Is there something more I need to know here? --Baumgaertner (talk) 23:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've got it working now, however I can't get the capital "M" on masses. No big deal. Thank you. --Baumgaertner (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What? I told you the difference between the two: you're using a crazy space character. Algebraist 23:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

Strange site

I recently discovered that when I type wiki: (with the colon) in the search bar, it leads me to a strange site which I have never heard of. I know that there are certain prefixes for other Wikimedia wikis, but this does not appear to be one of them. In fact, there is a page there that states that it is completely the opposite of Wikipedia. Does anyone know what the purpose of that site is? 95j (talk) 00:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is WikiWikiWeb, the original wiki. Algebraist 00:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prefixes are defined at meta:Interwiki map. Many of them are not to Wikimedia sites. This one was discussed in December at meta:Talk:Interwiki map#wiki:. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's acceptable for corporation article?

The article for our corporation has minimal info and is tagged "This United States corporation or company article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." I'd like to improve that. Is it permitted to:

add listings of trademarks used by the company?
list brands operated by the company?
list/link web sites owned by the company in external links?

Note, there are many of each if we list them all. It could feel spammy to some.
(I could not find specific references to these points in online rules).
Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stockphotofinder (talk • contribs) 01:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does WP:BUSFAQ help? – ukexpat (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help with categories

Resolved

– – ukexpat (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorting through the various school categories in an attempt to get schools into the most precise category required. As part of this, I created Category:Girls' schools in Pakistan, named just as instructed. It seems to work fine, but I'm curious as to why it's listed under "G" in Category:Girls' schools when every other category is sorted by the country name. They all "look" the same to me and I'd kind of like to know what I did wrong before I start making a bunch of others... Matt Deres (talk) 02:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are sorted with a pipe. For example, Category:Girls' schools in Australia is categorized by [[Category:Girls' schools|Australia]] which sorts by Australia. See Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort order. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 02:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see now. Thank you. Matt Deres (talk) 02:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c [x2]) Fixed. See this edit for a working explanation. In short, categories display alphabetically by the first letter of the category name by default unless you pipe the category to a different format, in which case it displays by whatever first letter you have piped the name to. So by starting the piped category name with Pakistan, it sorts in the parent category by that country's name.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update to Special page

I added a question for changing a special page over at MediaWiki_talk:Booksources-isbn#Find_This_Book Lantrix ::Talk::Contrib:: 03:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit Wikipedia:Book sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a Page

There's a topic, a YouTube video specifically, that I believe has received significant coverage to deserve its own page. However, I'm uncertain if it's truly enough, and am not sure how a page for such a subject would be organized, formatted, etc. Would someone be willing to judge if the video deserves a page (I have links of its extensive coverage by third-party sources), and how to structure a page for it? The Clawed One (talk) 03:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well if it has 3rd party sources then why not just create it? Formatting issues can be dealt with later..anyway, go ahead and post the links. :)--59.95.100.45 (talk) 04:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the video? YouTube videos are rarely notable, but if there are third party, reliable sources involved, then this one might be an exception to that rule. If you link to the video, we can probably figure out a way to structure the page. Thanks, The Earwig (Talk | Contribs) 04:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The video is "Buffy vs Edward", which combines footage of the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer with footage from the movie Twilight. The video has been covered by Change.org, AfterEllen.com, The L.A. Times blog, Newsarama and WIMN. These are just the five I'm confident are reliable sources, but a quick Google search of the video's title will turn up many more sites reporting on it, though I believe some are fansites, forums, etc. The Clawed One (talk) 04:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um - actually all five of those links are blogs. Black Kite 09:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, forgot to link the video. Here's the video on YouTube, and the uploader has also made it available on their website along with an FAQ on the video. The Clawed One (talk) 04:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable content

Can someone please advise whether there is any guideline regarding the inclusion of a book's table of contents in the article about that book? Specifically, please see Talk:Sing_Praises_to_Jehovah#Track_listing. This is the edit in question.--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it there is a specific place where that is covered. However, unless there are reliable sources that discuss the table of contents specifically, it shouldn't be included. Wikipedia cannot cover every single word within a book, as that would qualify as undue weight. TNXMan 12:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lists of TV series episodes

In an article of the name "List of *** episodes", is it allowed to put something such as "Will Mr. *** hide the secret and survive?"^{^1}, or "The roommate of messy Mr. DEF, Miss XYZ, is a neat freak."

^{^1}This is usually found at the end of the summary of one episode.--Mikespedia (talk) 08:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not exactly forbidden, but it's not how an encyclopedic plot summary should be written either. Moreso, it's a warning sign that the summary may be a copyright violation. - A good plot summary summarizes the plot and does nothing else. It doesn't tease, avoid spoilers, comment, analize, or theorize. (See also: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary) Goodraise 09:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing user page

I am baffled to find a version of my user page which was edited by User:220.245.248.12 on 30th January 2009, and which contains a lot of info about another user who apparently has something to do with Lithuania. The page is at User:Sardaka&direction=next&oldid=267186025. Can you tell me what on earth it is, how two users would have got put on the same page, and does this involve any naughty activity on the part of User:220.245.248.12?

The page can be accessed through the contributions page of 220.245.248.12, which is how I found it.

Sardaka (talk) 09:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can edit another editor's user page - whether they should or not is a different matter!

220.245.248.12 edited your user page here; N1RK4UDSK714 regarded the edit as vandalism and reverted the edit here. N1RK4UDSK714 issued a level 1 vandalism warning to 220.245.248.12 here.

So... yes, 220.245.248.12 was being naughty, got caught, was warned, and their vandalism was fixed.

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 09:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) A working link is [6]. The IP copied User:Renata3 to your user page for unknown reasons. It was reverted as vandalism 3 minutes later. Stuff like that is not uncommon. Just ignore it (and watch your user page). PrimeHunter (talk) 09:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright query

Hi, I recently recieved messages that two of the photos I uploaded onto Blair Drummond Safari Park's page are set to be removed in the next few days unless I sort out their copyright status. The images are free to be used for sure, I suppose I must have forgotten to designate them so when I uploaded them. Can someone please tell me how I can change this? Thank you marmoset1000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marmoset1000 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you refer to the messages on User talk:Marmoset1000 then the first image was deleted June 15. The messages say: "If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page". Both images said photo by Nicola McCleery. Is that you? If so, do you want to release the images to the public domain (assuming you still hold copyright)? Or another license? See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molecular structure

Whomever concerned

I would like to know the molecular structure of a simple solution like a sugar or a salt solution the solvent being say water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.211.189.192 (talk) 10:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why are Wikipedia searches now case-sensitive? 121.220.109.214 (talk) 11:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which type of search are you referring to? If you click the button saying "Search" below the search box then there should be no case sensitivity. If you click the "Go" button or click the Enter or Return key on your keyboard after writing a search term then you will jump straight to a page with that capitalization if it exists. If there is no page with that capitaliztion but one or more pages with other capitalizations then you jump to one of them. If there is no page with title match when capitalization is ignored then you should get a case insensitive search. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Go button version. It used to brng up a page even if it didn't use that capitalisation. But now, it only brings up pages that use only that capitalisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.109.214 (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Root Meaning of the Egyptial word?symbol(ankh)(Ancla) (anchor to physical form ie.Life?)

Ive sought the answer several places.Any help would be great.Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tztli (talk • contribs) 12:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Ankh. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. TNXMan 12:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editing rejected

Background: The article Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge is one of the best wikipedia articles I've ever seen. I am new to the editing process but I studied the rules and tried to follow the correct path toward a good edit. I was driven toward a goal of making the article factually perfect because it contained a small number of factual errors. It also contained a small number of subjective phrases and statements. Both categories of imperfection seem to have arisen by reliance on internet-available source material as of the summer of 2008. The user who created the article apparently does not have access to the most recent academic work on the subject, c. 2006. In hope of making the article more perfect, I spent several hours editing the article. I clicked the Save button, printed out the changes I'd made, then launched a research project to pick up anything I'd missed on the first edit attempt. Today none of the editing I'd done yesterday appears in the article. What did I do wrong? Jaxmrclean (talk) 13:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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