User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875/Archive7

If you want to reach me, contact me per wikipedia e-mail. I am not checking this page anymore at a regular basis.

Don't worry

I'm one of the hard working people helping to destroy wikipedia through my incessant attacks on leftists. Thank you for your enlighting article- drosphilia here I come! (Die Snack 2.0 (talk) 12:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC))

Troublemaker?

I see you're trying to bring down the scientific establishment. Or prop it up. Or something.  :) Congrats! Guettarda (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:ExpertContributionSection

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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Twenty Eight (Band)

I have nominated Twenty Eight (Band), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twenty Eight (Band). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Trusilver 17:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on AfD

Hi Kim, in relation to your comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination), could you possibly provide a rationale for your recommendation? If you are agreeing with someone else's view, it would be useful to say so. -- ChrisO (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Challenged books

I am reraising an issue on challenged books not belonging on the banned books page. See here. Thanks. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Used you as an example

I hope you don't mind, I used your experience as an example in an essay I just wrote containing what I hope are my final thoughts on the Arb case [1]. Cla68 (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

CalenderWatcher

CalenderWatcher has violated the 3RR here [2], here [3], here [4], and here [5] and has assumed bad faith on the article talkpage. The user was edit warring with an IP back and forth over the inclusion of the edit wherein which CalenderWatcher thought it oughta be removed as it wasn't sourced. I tried to come up with a compromise and explained my reasons for it on the article talkpage here [6] but the user simply reverted it again while accusing me of spite and assuming bad faith. Cheers! Cheers dude (talk) 23:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanx for letting me know. Cheers! =) Cheers dude (talk) 00:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You're somewhat mistaken: it's not unilateral edit-warring--or, until the involvement of User:Cheers dude, really edit-warring at all. This IP's antics have been going on for months--and he's been reversed by other editors. The various IP talk pages have been left multiple messages--including in Japanese--regarding the basic requirements (such as here and here, and even been blocked, but he has continued to add sub-literate, entirely unsourced entries. The IP, in fact, has never responded directly, and doesn't even seem to understand, as his only reaction has been either to add a clause to the beginning of each entry (of the form 'According to the Times of India,...') but still without the slightest actual source or to include a {{fact}} tag as part of the original entry, despite the fact that he, presumably has some source for this information he is adding.

The only way that this has become 'edit-warring' is the involvement of User:Cheers dude, and that appears to be petty retaliation for the advice he has been given--by several editors including myself--that he not make long, effusive, and completely unhelpful comments on matters on WP:AN/I before he understands either the situations he's commenting on or the policies that apply. See here, Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Please_ask_your_admin_friend_to_stop_his_personal_attacks, and especially Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#block_of_User:Roobit and here. Over a fifth of his edits in his fortnight as a named editor have been to WP:AN/I, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. I'll also note that one editor at WP:AN/I has described this as what it is, namely spite]. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 14:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Budgerigar

The topic of "English" budgies is covered in the article already. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 23:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Reprints

Thank you so much for the offer of the reprints, but I think I'm fine at the moment (still digesting Christidis & Boles more fully). Good luck with the trees - they sound like a great idea! Frickeg (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Dear sir, would it be possible for you to review the recent posts made about (=against) my person on the RFC? I do not want to point the finger at any one person, but I thought initiating a RFC did not mean that I gave carte blanche for personal attacks against me to go explode into great numbers? --Law Lord (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Talkpage vandalism and incivility

Hi again, I'm not too sure on what to do about talkpages in terms of inappropriate comments that don't exactly relate to improving the articles. I've already removed the first comment the IP made (hope I didn't do anything wrong by doing that) which I thought was vandalism but they came and made a similar remark. I'm not sure if this is a reason to remove comments and if I did the appropriate thing, but the IP has since returned. Here, [7], here [8]. I'm not sure what these remarks have to do with improving the article either by this user, here [9], and here [10]. Cheers! Cheers_Dude (talk) 06:25, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Erm...Just let it be?! Insulting wikipedia users by calling them 'wikinerds' and 'idiots' before discussing something that had nothing to do with the article [11] but how users of wikipedia "have no life"? I think that violated multiple rules on the [12] Wikipedia Guidelines page. Unsure of why you don't think that's not interfering with making an encyclopedia. This [13] account doesn't look like a fly-by passing to me. Other admins have even found reason to give him warnings as shown here [14] because he's been vandalizing other pages as well. I'm just respectfully letting you know that I disagree with your advice and I feel you should have taken a more active role towards this vandal than just telling me not to react. Cheers! Cheers_Dude (talk) 08:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha! It's no problem. At first glance, it actually looks exactly how you describe. Your advice about fly-by accounts was smart. I just won't give them the attention they want and move on. Anyways, thanx for being a kind enough to reply back. Merry Christmas KimvdLinde. =) Cheers_Dude (talk) 00:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The Admin's Barnstar

		The Admin's Barnstar
		For, in spite of your being an administrator yourself, promoting the view that some administrators do in fact lack manners. Law Lord (talk) 10:28, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Darn, just to late

Darn, I only found out today about DYK has a limit of 5 days, and I creatd a nice article 6 days ago Nestoridae (23:29, Dec 23).... O well... -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it matters that much because the current articles are backlogged and the dec23 lot are still on the queue. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm still confused. If the Kakapo is not in the Nestor genus, what's it doing in the Nestoriae article? Gatoclass (talk) 06:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, okay, I think I've managed to confirm that to my satisfaction now, after checking several of the relevant articles. I think that hook will be fine to go now. Nice to see you still around BTW :) Gatoclass (talk) 06:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nestoridae

On 3 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nestoridae, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 00:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

CalendarWatcher

While I am retired and have no interest in further editing here at Wikipedia mostly because of user CalendarWatcher's shenanigans, this vicious page may interest you [15] with insulting remarks about you and myself . Apparently since I retired on the 3rd of January, CalendarWatcher thinks I am holding a "vendetta" against him which he came and responded about on the fifth of January [16] on my page with Shapiro. Cheers_Dude (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Sigh! Fair enough! Even though I'm absolutely sick and tired of this person clearly trying to start up with me, he won't be getting the reaction he so desperately wants. I'm done! Btw, I have some suspicions about similar antics going on in other areas of the net which actually led me to that page but whatever. Anyways, he'll be being ignored. If it keeps up, I'm going to ask someone to just delete my account entirely so to end his nonsense though. Cheers! Cheers_Dude (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

'This response is exactly what he wants'

Your astounding bad faith and lack of mind-reading skills does you no credit whatsoever. For the record, User:Cheers dude left a series of falsehoods on his 'mentoring' page before skittering off and I simply responded there and nowhere else: that absurd and hysterical page Cheers dude points to is a forgery--and given how quickly he 'found' it, I suspect it's the work of Cheers dude himself. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, both of you (and many others, it seems) have fallen victim to the long-banned user and sockpuppeteer EverybodyHatesChris, who has resurfaced as "Cheers dude". The account has now been blocked. --Ckatz^chat_spy 02:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your message, KimvdLinde. It looks like Cheers dude's only purpose here was stirring up trouble. More to be pitied than scorned, really. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 09:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Parrots of New Guinea

Papua New Guinea has got more parrots than New Zealand. The phylogeography of Parrots of New Guinea might be interesting. Snowman (talk) 15:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Horse (1)

FWIW, Evolution of the horse and some other articles (Equidae, Equus (genus), etc.) are getting some much needed attention too. Care to join us? --Una Smith (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

HIW

Hi Kim, glad to see you around again. Don't know if you recall being one of my original mentors when I started on wikipedia two years ago. Anyway, at HIW, we have a classic case of your concerns of "...while the good editors and experts will leave Wikipedia disgruntled..." At least for me. Not ready to bail yet, but definitely disgruntled! LOL! There was a happy community at the HIW article with about four or five active editors trying very hard to bring an article to FA, until basically two people charged in and have changed the tone of everything. (See the last archived peer review as well as the current talk page for recent history) One has made some small but legitimate contributions, I admit. But the problem here is that both of them have tangled with me before, and while I really didn't want "personalities" to be involved, I fear they are, which makes me rather sad, and yes, disgruntled. But over these last couple of years, I have found that the admins are, by and large, a very good grop of folks if they have the whole thing in front of them. So, let's say that there is more going on here than the last two weeks, and thus I hope you keep an eye on HIW with an understanding of the big picture. (smile) Thanks. Montanabw^(talk) 16:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Una Smith and unilateral moves

I suppose the first step is to politely ask her to undo it, but, please, then just post at AN/I and warn her. It's time to make an impression that Wikipedia is edited by consensus. --18:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Equus ferus ferus

Hi Kim, maybe I am dense or something, but I wonder if the Tarpan (as a redirect) issue is now settled. I notice that the article is still called Equus ferus ferus. I thought the original request was "It has been proposed below that Equus ferus ferus be renamed and moved to Tarpan." I was not involved in any of the discussions and do not have a stake in the outcome but I like to see consensus followed through. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Thanks, - Josette (talk) 04:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to let me know. - Josette (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Your behavior

Kim, your ad hominem remarks addressed to me, and about me, really need to stop. For example, your edit summaries:

• Write a scientific publication first
• Misrepresentation of facts, misunderstanding of nomenclature, and selective quoting does not fly

--Una Smith (talk) 18:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, they are accurate descriptions of what is going on. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 18:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

An ad hominem attack is one that is unjustified and inaccurate. Kim's comments have been more than gracious and in this case, the truth is a defense. Una, do not threaten other editors. You know better than this. The completely unjustified WQA and AN/I you filed against me both failed, resoundingly, and you yourself were the subject of an AN/I not a month ago that simply died of total exhaustion. If it has not occurred to you that you are on very thin ice with a number of people whose patience has worn very thin, well, consider this useful data. Back off from these attacks on other editors, particularly experienced, long-serving, respected ones such as Kim. Montanabw^(talk) 02:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Montana, no worries, I do not feel attacked, rattled or anything. I understand that Una is very passionate about what she thinks is the truth, something I definitely understand. As long as everybody remains friendly, and assumes good faith, I think we will be able to get along. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 04:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Gender

Sorry for the error. I should know by now that an editor with a gender-neutral name who contributes to horse articles is female. I should also learn to look at user pages! --Curtis Clark (talk) 14:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Just lurking. We horse editors are often female. Question: are we all also kind of persnickity and opinionated? (laughing, running and ducking...). Montanabw^(talk) 00:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL, I am guilty as charged..... -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 03:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The way I learned it was, "Cowgirls...You can't tell 'em nothin'." I don't have a problem with that.--Curtis Clark (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you can ALWAYS tell us, you just can't tell us much!  ;-D!! Montanabw^(talk) 05:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

'Twas always the girls that were drawing horses at school....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Horse

Thanks for the Welcome Wagon duties, it's not something I'm good at! (And I'd be better if the carpet layers weren't here pounding on the staircase putting in carpet... ouch!). Ealdgyth - Talk 22:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Horses

Oh. Well, I have written proof. You can go look in the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis that God created land dwelling animals on the sixth day. How can I incorporate that into the article?--God'sGirl94 (talk) 00:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Well...you have a point. One thing that would help me is to know what an...Asteur? is. Sorry if I mispelled it. I could try to fix all the creation stories in that one article, but I don't know when I would get to that. How to resolve it, I don't know. What are your ideas?--God'sGirl94 (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The whole Bible is filled with God's wonders. In fact, none of them contradict themselves. They all flow perfectly. I find that a fiction books almost always has at least 1 glitch, although most I don't discover until I am being very nit picky. If you want proof, look outside. The trees, the birds, the snakes, the dogs, they all are living proof that creation is not a myth. Even we are a part of that.--God'sGirl94 (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

No. I believe that you misunderstood me. The only reason the stories should contradict each other is because they were interpereted incorrectly or written wrong. But God is never wrong.--God'sGirl94 (talk) 17:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to offend you. Rats my tongue! Why can't I keep it still and think first? Well, I have no I ideas on how to resolve it, but I think, until we have come up with a conclusion, that we shouldn't edit things like the Horses page based on our beliefs. Do you think that is alright for now?--God'sGirl94 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding me. I am sorry if I offended you. Everyone has their own different belief system and I need to learn to honor that, whether I agree or not. I hope that you are not angry with me.--God'sGirl94 (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad. I don't like hurting others. I have a tendancy to love everyone. Even though there are some things about people that I don't care for as much, I can't hate anyone. It's murder!!--God'sGirl94 (talk) 13:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Synonymy

Hi KimvdLinde, the synonyms field in the taxobox does not make a distinction between an ambiguous synonym and an unambiguous synonym. As a fair amount of older literature refers to the Black Drongo as Dicrurus adsimilis, I believe it should exist as a synonym there, a compromise could be to add it as Dicrurus adsimilis macrocercus. Shyamal (talk) 04:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Donkeys

Oh great goddess of taxonomy, the donkey article is now dealing with scientific names. You may wish to step in. So far all is civil. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADonkey&diff=275589885&oldid=275493252 . Montanabw^(talk) 17:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The happy blue ball of gratitude

The happy blue ball of gratitude

Thanks greatly for adding ref to Brachygobius nunus. I had reply all ready to go about "We take info off municipal websites when the material is obviously written by an amateur rather than a professional historian. We take information from newspapers written by a college intern who writes about hang gliding one day and Chinese opera the next" blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Now you forced me to walk away and follow my own advice: "Wrestle articles, not editors." Good thing too...I need those same editors to approve my hooks in the future rather than looking for an reason to send my work to AfD! Best wishes.--Boston (talk) 01:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thick-billed parrot

On March 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thick-billed parrot, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 08:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Flagged revisions proposal

Hi. You may be interested in a minimal flagged revisions proposal focused on BLPs I am working on. FR may seem dead, but I think we can gain consensus on something small and focused. If you have time, any comments are appreciated. Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions#Let.27s_see_what_we_can_get --Apoc2400 (talk) 18:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

nudge nudge....

I reckon Eos (genus) actually isn't too far off GA...wanna prioritize the phylogeny while the iron is hot, so to speak :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Nestoridae map

Hi, I like your recent work on the Nestoridae articles. I was concerned about one aspect of your File:Nestoridae-dist.png Nestoridae distribution map, though. The Chatham Islands seemed to be too far south; they are at roughly same latitude as Banks Peninsula. I've had a go at fixing this by hand. Just thought I would let you know. Thanks, Avenue (talk) 02:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see your message on my talk page until after posting this. I hope it explains what I thought was wrong, anyway. Here is another map showing the correct position of these islands. -- Avenue (talk) 02:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

This is a minor point, but could you please change the "Chatham Island" label in the map to "Chatham Islands" (plural)? Usually they are referred to in the plural unless one is making a point of restricting it to just the main island (i.e. it implies they were only present on the main island). Given the colouration of Pitt Island on the map, I don't think that's what you meant. -- Avenue (talk) 03:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

That looks great. Thanks for also moving Norfolk Island; it seemed wrong to me before, but it was close enough that I wasn't sure it was wrong. Now it lines up with the North Auckland peninsula, as I'd expect. -- Avenue (talk) 03:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

A challenging map...

Hello Kim - I will take you up on your offer with Australian Magpie - 8 subspecies with some overlap. Would that be ok? Much appreciated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

PS: Meant to add I will email maps and references if OK. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

How is it going? I am just about ready to nominate the article at WP:FAC. Much appreciated in advance, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know - it is much appreciated. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Snort Barfly

I do not understand your behavior regarding Wikipedia Editor Snort Barfly. Chris Buckey (talk) 23:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:No flagged revisions; no vandal fighting

Category:No flagged revisions; no vandal fighting, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Stepheng3 (talk) 17:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Horse

Seeing as your kinda our expert on taxonomy issues, might checking over this article and telling us how bad it is? I'm slowly working it up towards FAC, and an experts' eyes on it would be nice. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Dittoes. Montanabw^(talk) 23:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I/P articles

Kim, you and I have had our differences, but I wonder if you'd nevertheless take a look at this suggestion, as someone who has commented on I/P issues. [17] SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 03:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this preliminarily is a better way to go, and support/oppose/comments garnered here. PS. Are you still okay to do Australian Magpie map? (crosses fingers, birds are much more relaxing than middle east relations...) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

PS: I was hoping you'd comment --> here <--. arbcom can't dictate content but I tried this initative to at least stamp out some of the more concrete arguments and set some in stone, but the response has been slow. Not sure how to get more community input (bangs head on keyboard) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Belated response

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SV

Last year's arbcom voted that SV's bit would be automatically restored after six months. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Review of "Natural selection"

As part of the GA review sweeps process (see:Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps, a project devoted to re-reviewing Good Articles listed before August 26, 2007), the article Natural selection has been re-reviewed. I have placed the article on hold until sufficient citations can be added to the article. If an editor has not expressed interest in improving the article within seven days, the article will be delisted as a Good Article. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 04:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Vanished user 19794758563875/Archive7's Day!

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IP edits

Yes it is. 212.10.65.1 (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

glossary project

Kim, would you like to look over the taxonomic (and other) definitions at the new glossary of equestrian terms and add/correct/edit anything that you think needs fixing? Thanks! Montanabw^(talk) 05:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Tucuman or Tucumán Amazon

I am not sure how the "Tucumán" was derived. Is it named after a person? I think the IOC WBL name has the spelling "Tucuman Amazon". Snowman (talk) 19:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

IOC name is without accent, but the discussion is still going about that aspect. It comes from tghe Tucumán Province. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 21:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Self referncing

The cat about exceptions is about our standards, so it should go on the talk page. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, didn't know that. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 22:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: the Turquoise-fronted Amazon

See my support for the move back here. Now, after posting that, I find myself with a question. Is 'Turquoise-fronted Amazon' in fact a brand new name that the IOC have recently thought up, as the number of Google Scholar hits for the term does seem suspiciously low. On the other hand, one of the results is apparently dated 1992... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Glad you're not gone forever

Saw you briefly retired and then un-retired. Glad you're back. When you get frustrated with the cat herding world of wiki, just drop me a line and I'll help you commiserate! We need ya!  :-) Montanabw^(talk) 18:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Users talk page

I note your edit on a users talk page. I had courteously told the new user about the discussion that User Shyamal had started on the main talk page about the many external links added. I really do not see what was wrong in asking for more parrot photographs on the wiki, and I am told that he had given photographs to the wiki in the past. I also think that you were rather too critical of me, perhaps leading the new user to think that the WikiProject was somewhat dysfunctional. I also think that you were scapegoating me. I have illustrated many pages with photographs and I am keen to help the wiki find more photographs, and I feel that your edit belittled me and my request on this users talk page. Snowman (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Snowman, nobody denies that you have done great work. But, first of all, I only commented oin this issues at the talk page of Arthur AFTER it had fully escalated. Get your time line straight. What is wrong on asking a person at one hand for pictures and at the same time chastising him for adding links to those same pictures. Shyamal ONLY asked about HOW to format the links, and you start smacking around with policy such and policy so, and run the person off. So, stop being the victim and take responsibility for your actions and the effects they have. Quite frankly, the way you keep responding, and the lack of insight you have in the way you are reacting and the effects it has, it gives me the feeling that I am talking with someone who has Asperger's syndrome or something related. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 13:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:ExpertContribution

Template:ExpertContribution has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Horse

Thanks for your help on the horse and domestication articles. I made some tweaks based on the articles I read, and if there are discrepancies with your understanding of current research, just explain how you see it and we can sort it all out. I'm also concerned about readability in the horse article (the domestication one can be more technical as it isn't a general interest piece). Montanabw^(talk) 04:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Bummer that you don't want to be involved. I know you aren't a fan of conflict and lots of arguing, I'm just kind of pushing to get to what actually IS the current state of various studies. You actually know what you're talking about, it's just getting it into a form that makes sense to the rest of us non-scientist types. That and letting us down easy if our myths must be crushed. (LOL) Do reconsider and let me know if my tweaks totally screwed up everything...the way I read it, many mares became founders of domesticated lines, but between wild stallions and the difficulty keeping tame ones, there were far fewer stallions. Seems the obvious conclusion based on wild herd dynamics today. Am I totally off base here? Montanabw^(talk) 02:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

You have the right general picture. And instead of starting the section with details about how you do the research, it should start with the general picture. Jansen is by now an old study, several more recent studies have used his data plus many more including ancient DNA samples making the picture much stronger. and in a way are much more reliable. Also, the evolution of the horse section is really misleading at places. The prewalski is not a separate clade. It arrises square from the middle of the domesticated/wild horse clade. Based on the genetic material, NO subspecies should be recognized. Finally, Lira is really just a speculation:

These results suggest the possibility of an independent domestication episode or the use of Iberian maternal lineages in a restocking process from the wild. Whether such a process qualifies as a conventional domestication event, or simply reflects a recurrent phenomenon of restocking, in which mares were incorporated into domestic herds brought from elsewhere, will require nuclear DNA analysis and a more detailed knowledge of the genetic structure from the earliest Iberian domestic herds.

But I know, many think it would be so nice if it were true. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 14:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

This is starting to make sense, some of those articles are more technical than my own background can easily interpret (and my background is law, so I usually can read tough stuff, but...), I appreciate your making this more understandable. By the way, also I like the way you summarized the older four foundations theory in the horse article, and would be OK with something similar being done in the domestication article. I wish I had some sense of what current theories are now out there on these basic body types, because the various breed registries are still making claims that their particular breed is pure and unbroken back to the first mare that was tamed by the first neolithic villager! And what I also don't quite know what to do with the whole landrace concept, I had never heard of it prior to wikipedia, and not sure if there is a better English word for this (we don't call a breed a "race" in English, normally, wonder if there's another term?). Fascinating study, that's for sure. Montanabw^(talk) 17:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

What you see with the body types is that they do not really cluster nicely together but have arisen multiple times. At the level of mtDNA, few breeds can claim to be uninfected by other vbreeds, reality is that most breeds are crossed with other breeds. With landraces, think breeds that are largely left alone most of the time with nature determining for a large part which individuals will survive winter, reproduce etc, as opposed to breeds that are carefully bred each generation. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 17:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

(outdent) Kim, please don't get too upset here, I'm writing it as I see it. Seemed like the 2002 study was pretty sound, if its been superceded, then the trick is to use ONE source, not 6 or 8, and explain a little bit. To just say "it's been discredited," well, fine, who, when, in what way? And sometimes there are still useful chunks. I really AM trying to get at the current understanding of things here, but in my real life, it's my job to question all the evidence and not take people's word for it. But unfortunately I also have a very slow dialup at home, which is usually when I work on wiki, and it is not easy for me to download, read and digest a whole slew of scientific articles, especially outside my field, hence why it is helpful for others to explain and not get snarky. What I'm saying is don't give up, just try to work with us to make it understandable. Montanabw^(talk) 05:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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Deir Yassin

I’ve had 20 or so amateur bouts. During the course of my martial arts training, my fights and other “excursions,” I sustained a permanently dislocated collar bone, a compound fracture of my humerus bone, a shattered tib/fib, severely comminuted and displaced as well as a Trimalleolar fracture with dislocation. In sum, I’ve gone through more injuries than what most people see in a life time. I’ve got more plates, screws and rods in me than a construction site. So please, don’t make me laugh with your silly implied threats.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Implies threats? Where? -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 13:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Ha, I see. No, this is not an implied thread, but just making clear that some type of POV-warriors are just not wanted at wikipedia. And really: The pen is mightier than the sword. Aka, if you think you impressed me with your injuiry list as a way of telling how much you actually have been involved in actual violence, yawn. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 13:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Impress you? Don't flatter yourself. You're not that important.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, glad to hear that you did not want to impress me. I really loathe people who think that they have to impress people with their injuries. Kind of masochistic. Glad you are not like that. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 09:22, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested

See here. Cheers. IronDuke 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

• Kim -- agree w/the points you made.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, animations?

Hi Kim,

So, any idea what happened to all the animations in commons? We have that Muybridge one all over, that's quite a loss. Any idea how to fix them or get them restored? Montanabw^(talk) 19:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)