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Imagemaps

Given that you're actively editing {{infobox election}}, would you mind taking a look at my year-old request that the template include imagemap functionality if you get the time? I think it'd be useful for most U.S. federal election articles. If it's not possible or you don't have the time, no worries. – Hysteria18 (Talk • Contributions) 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can try, though I'm not familiar with the image map syntax. Can you point me at an infobox which presently supports an image map so that I can try porting it? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I'm not sure there is one. I think the syntax itself would be fairly simple and/or irrelevant though: to avoid confusion and clutter, the infobox should probably require the imagemap itself (which otherwise requires an awful lot of code – see User:Hysteria18/list for an example) to be saved as a template. So, as far as I understand you'd just need to add an imagemap parameter pretty similar to the existing map parameter, but which required a template rather than an image as the input. Then again, I'm pretty incompetent at these things, so I'll defer to you. – Hysteria18 (Talk • Contributions) 21:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...Sorry I took so long. I've added | map = to the template: this is a freeform field, so you can pass it a template. Is that sufficient? Give me a shout if you need any help. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's perfect, thanks. – Hysteria18 (Talk • Contributions) 16:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

intr-fiji

imentXpandedNOT"rewrite"-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 23:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up. I've re-tagged it with {{tooshort}}, which is more appropriate for that problem. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

a-ta!:)-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 10:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical element pronunciations in infobox

I'm very concerned that this was unlaterally rolled out with only the briefest of mentions on template talk: looks like the same happened with articles containing {{starbox}}es too. I'm going through and rolling these back now, which is probably going to take me all day: if you want to propose the general removal of pronunciation data from article ledes then start a centralised discussion on it first. Please don't do this again until that's happened. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite unhappy that you are unilaterally reverting this change when opportunity was allowed for discussion. A convention is not the same as a guideline. Certainly for the astronomy articles, I believe it is appropriate for WPAstronomy to set the conventions.—RJH (talk) 18:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As you're aware, the onus is on the editor wishing to make the change to state his case after being reverted. I'd have done so when the change was originally made if I'd noticed it happening (the "opportunity allowed for discussion" did not, at any point, suggest that you were bulk-removing pronunciation from element articles): I'm evidently not the only one to disagree with it, either. As such, it's time this went to a wider forum (and not just the chemicals / astronomy projects, per WP:CONLIMITED) to see how the community weighs in. As for the status of conventions relative to guidelines, the only difference is that one is codified and one isn't. The MoS is supposed to be descriptive of best practice, rather than prescriptive, and it is convention which develops first rather than being prescribed from above. If there's wider discussion then it may well be worth updating the MoS to reflect the result. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

pronctn aidV.imprtnt!-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 07:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say: thanks for opening a central discussion. This is the best solution in the long run, not least because if consensus lies on your side that every article will be benefit and not just the element / space articles. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. I know this is a bit of a 'religious issue', so thanks for keeping it civil.—RJH (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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kilrwnky>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nutmeg&action=history-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're able to use Twinkle then by far the easiest way is to enable Twinkle in your user preferences. This adds a new set of tabs at the top of the page which can issue vandalism warnings or post to WP:AIV with one click. If not, then you could just try pinging a friendly admin. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i'v fe rpp,but report-tap where?-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 09:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It depends what skin you're using. I use Monobook because it places all the tabs in a row. If you use the new skin, it might be hidden under a single button. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

me2Monobook ,butnowshows:)-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 11:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of salt

Well, "Cocio" attracted my eye because it was a typo, but then I thought that "history" unqualified by adjectives generally means "what humans know of history". On the principle that shorter is better (except where it introduces intolerable ambiguity), I chopped it. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, good call. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Seacole

Below is a copy ('copy and paste' type copy) of my recent correspondence.

Any idea why her death date details appear duplicated in the info box text ? (Hardly my specialist subject, despite myself working for the NHS for over eight years, but what a lady). Regards,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a template guru, but this duplication appears to have been introduced by Thumperward (talk · contribs) on the 14th. I'd try to fix it myself, but it is late here and I don't want to risk destroying the template. Prolly better if you ask him to review his recent changes to {{Infobox Medical Person}}. Rodhullandemu 00:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but there is probably a better way of communicating this to you, but I am old and tired. Can you oblige ? Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had a go at fixing the template. Thanks. 203.194.15.202 (talk) 01:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. Sorry about that. I've introduced a more robust fix. Thanks! Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 02:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle has a rollback feature; if the most recent edit to a page is vandalism, then it should add three links on the diff page (rollback AGF, rollback, and rollback vandalism). Any of those will undo the edit, add an edit summary, and automatically open the user's talk page to issue a warning. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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not a football kit, maybe you can help tho'

I am trying to create Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Article incubator/Template:Infobox WorldScouting uniform, but I am blowing it all over the place. Can you have a look and make suggestions?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you actually have the images needed to create these kits yet? It seems like it's going to be very difficult to test the code and check the layout if not. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am working on the list now, sketchy mess of photos, websites... but getting there, thank you.
Or do you mean a template graphic for a uniform? I have a great one I can suggest, let me know.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the actual template graphics. They are, after all, the core of the template. Yeah, if you've got a working example then please point me at it and I'll get to checking the code. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
, not mine but it is a great start.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need all the badges and numbers, just the shirt/pants/hat and a female version.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Aaaaah. The thing is, {{football kit}} uses a compositive kit formed from various arm, body, shorts graphics, of the type found on Template:Football kit/pattern list. They would need to be created first. I'm not sure what the request is for: do you need help creating those? That's not really my forte, I'm afraid, though I could ask around. Or do I have the wrong end of the stick here? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're helping, I am flying blind, so this is great! Should I ask the GL to cut it into chunks, then?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It might need to be complete redone, unfortunately, as it's not facing directly forwards and it's a little detailed for the size it's going to be displayed at. One good thing is that sleeves, shorts and socks from the football kits can easily be re-used, so it's really only the body sections that need done. It's also probably not necessary to have a distinct female kit unless it differs significantly from the male one, as it's only supposed to be a paper doll (gaming) representation. I might have a look at trying to turn out an approximate example later, though my enthusiasm for templatespace work has taken a bit of a hit recently. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 11:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox former monarchy

Hi, Thumperward. The reason I reverted your edit is because there are dozens of articles using the template which do not have a specific value for the CoA width parameter, based on the assumption that the default width was 120px. When you removed this default width value, many templates suddenly found themselves with HUGE coats of arms, which were visually striking and quite ugly. Therefore, I believe the default width of 120px should be kept. If you wish to remove it entirely, then you should first ensure that all the articles using the template have a specific value for the width parameter. Regards. --BomBom (talk) 19:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I can see where you're coming from (test cases), but infobox images shouldn't really be downsized so much. Is there a reason the infobox needs both the crest and an additional image? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Piss Christ

Hi,

Regarding this summary: was that meant as "per mailing list"? Any chance of a link to the relevant discussion? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The size of the image was briefly mentioned on the foundation-l mailing list, with the question as to why it was larger then an usual image ([http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-July/thread.html#59843 Section "Boycott in ace at wiki") I would link the exact post, but somehow i cannot seem to find the exact message that contained that comment in the archives (I have a copy of it in my own inbox though).
Since it is generally preferable to set images to thumbnail size anyway (That way someone can change the default image size though the preferences) i just went ahead and removed the set size, mentioning the mailing list as the source for making tha change in the first place. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This one? Fair enough: the image's portrait aspect did make it a bit big at 300px (which was the historical recommendation for lede image size). Thanks for the heads-up. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Warning

You don't need to tell me twice. But you can't tell me you don't understand the feelings of frustration that guy inspires. – PeeJay 20:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've told you more than twice. You've already been blocked for edit warring: edits like that are not helping in the slightest, and you should honestly consider yourself lucky for not getting another block for that. Do you want to end up like Grant.Alpaugh (talk · contribs), who has had year-long bans because he can't control his temper while improving our MLS articles? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You make a good point. But why hasn't that guy been banned yet? His POV is disgusting. – PeeJay 20:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because he promised to behave the last time that was brought up. If you think that's worth revisiting, ping the admin who last blocked him. Please don't get riled up by it again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is the best news I've heard in days! Thanks for letting me know! – PeeJay 14:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paligap

Yea, I meant to use prod. In looking at this, I'm thinking it can be speedy tagged again. The first one for was no context now we have spam and A7 issues. Or should this just go to a prod? Vegaswikian (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend a full AfD, which would be what would have been required if you'd put a prod on it anyway. I suspect it might be borderline, given that the company has at least had an association with several notable entities. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your reply at RFA to question 5A

Well, maybe I'm being really dense, but I just don't get your reply about this. Another editor at the rfa suggests you were being ironic. Is that correct? - your reply doesn't mention irony. Could you please dedicate more verbage to this? This page would be a good place. Novickas (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose "ironic" is the best way of putting it, as it wasn't meant literally. It is typically expected that editors who participate in AfD are editors in good standing: those who aren't are likely to be accused of being SPAs or socks. However, there still remains a climate (it's getting better, but it's not yet solved) where it's difficult to remain in good standing if one makes delete comments or nominations because one is likely to have one's reputation impacted for doing so. Quite honestly, it was a throwaway line directed at a few participants in that AfD, with whom I'm pretty familiar, and I think it looks worse out of context. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate the reply - and all your work here - but still have adminship concerns - will post at the RFA. Novickas (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Alliance League articles

Thank you for the message. But reading the talk page I assume everything is satisfactory. Many thanks --Onshore (talk) 21:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re: Flagpole Sitta

If you do a quick glimpse of Yahoo Answers/lyric sites/etc and search by the lyrics, you can see that the song is attributed to Green Day very often. Is it OR? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 23:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those aren't reliable sources. It's trivia anyway: practically any pop-punk song gets attributed to Green Day on occasion, just like practically every English ska song of the Eighties gets attributed to the Specials. It's not worth noting in individual cases unless reliable sources have written about it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 06:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amusement park infoboxes

I believe you have seen them, but there seems like there is much in common between {{Infobox Amusement Ride}}, {{Infobox water ride}}, {{Infobox roller coaster}}, {{Infobox roller coaster simplified}}, and probably more? I was thinking it might be best to expand the most generic and then look into merging some. There may be some resistance to merging the roller coaster ones, but the others seem practically unused. I noticed this while closing the related TFD and replacing an untemplated variant here and here. Good luck with the RFA by the way, we certainly need help clearing the backlog at TFD. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a merge is long overdue. Seems like they were forked basically at will for a long time. What with the merging, the need to convert to {{infobox}} and (hopefully) the doing away with of auto-categorisation, there's a lot of work to be done here, so I might save it for a rainy day. As for the RfA, well, fingers crossed, though I can't be optimistic unfortunately. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 06:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grrr.....

You just picked up my references to Dry glue and High shear mixer at ANI, didn't you XD XD. I'd have written longer ledes if I actually knew anything about the subject in either case..... --Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. :) Randomly clicking things that people link to on ANI is a great way of finding new articles to work on, and I'm trying to keep myself occupied right now. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do that too - that's probably how I came to those two. Although in my case, there's more of work-avoidance about it :) :)--Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Golf tournament infoboxes

Thanks for tidying up {{Infobox Individual Golf Tournament‎}}. I have also updated {{Infobox Golf Tournament}} to use {{infobox}}. If you have time, could you please have a look at it. Thanks. wjematherbigissue 11:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. I've given {{Infobox Golf Tournament}} a bit of a tidy as well. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 11:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. wjematherbigissue 11:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New squad table

Re [1]

I know you said you would prefer to wait a while, but the quickest way to sort this without kb after kb of talkpage rhetoric is to actually come up with a good solution. Would you consider having a go at this a little sooner?

If you want to try things out in vivo to get more feedback, it could be worth working towards a solution for Manchester United's squad table, which is currently stymieing its Featured Article request for this very reason. Knepflerle (talk) 12:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be very surprised if we got all the edge cases sorted out in time to roll a new style out (which will impact nine and a half thousand articles) in time for an ongoing FAR, but I'll see what I can do. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 12:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply! I was more thinking of coming up with something for Manchester United's article as a proof-of-principle that something can be made which includes all the required info and looks OK. Once that prototype's been accepted and in use in that one article, we've can start working out where the exceptional problems may lie, and sort them out before making it a standard template. Thanks for considering this, Knepflerle (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I'm going to be trying to take a wikibreak for the next 24 hours or so, but I'll get a look after that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 13:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Great, have a nice break! Knepflerle (talk) 13:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your RfA

Thank you for pointing out a very embrassing mistake. Sorry the re-look to un-do my stupidity was not in your favor. (I knew this was going to happen one day) Mlpearc powwow 16:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it. We all make mistakes from time to time. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats :-) Mlpearc powwow 17:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

Here's your free T-shirt!

Enjoy a T-shirt to don as you perform administrator duties! (X! · talk)  · @794  ·  18:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from me as well; use the tools well. CT Cooper · talk 18:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And from me. Let me know if I can be of assistance. At least now I won't have so many bloody {{editprotected}} request to deal with! ;) Any time you fancy helping out at category:Wikipedia protected edit requests, it would be appreciated. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thumperward (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) My admin log

Congratulations!
It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has
closed successfully and you are now an administrator!

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— Rlevse • Talk • 18:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats from me as well. Connormahtalk 18:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Chris, I think I owe it to you to stop by and add myself to those providing congratulations. I realize that I may have come across as a little harsh towards you, and I want to make it very clear that I really meant it when I said that I appreciated the comment you made to me during the RfA and that I genuinely wish you well going forward. Who knows, maybe I just ran into you on a bad day. For what it's worth, I hope that, as you go forward, you will think seriously about making sure that your comments to others will be perceived by them as courteous and patient. If you do, I have no doubts at all that you will make wonderful contributions as an administrator. Happy editing, and happy mopping! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congratulations. Welcome to Hell :) Black Kite (t) (c) 19:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congrats! I'm proud to have supported you, and glad you made it. As I said in my comments to Trypto (who I greatly respect) I felt that while you were a bit "snippy" at times, that you would make a good admin. Here's hoping you will prove me right... Best wishes on your adminship! Jusdafax 20:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congratulation!!! Mop well, and be well. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Grats. Good call, WP... :> Doc9871 (talk) 21:32, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know you're going to miss going through a 4th one of those, but membership in the cabal has its privileges. Welcome! - Dank (push to talk) 00:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glad to see this. While we've had disagreements in the past, I'm in no doubt that you will fully justify Rlevse's closing rationale. Regards, --WFC-- 01:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very pleased to see you were successful - Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Awesome. Glad I was finally able to catch your RFA while it was actually open. :) It's always good to have another target...I mean admin! --Aervanath (talk) 16:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for all the kind words, folks, and for your support. Real Life has caught up with me this week, but as soon as I get that in order I'll start getting to grips with the tools and seeing what I can do to help out! :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess third time is the charm. Glad to see another editor who is very active in the template namespace finally get the tools. ...and I guess I'll have to work on creating some additional {{edit protected}} backlog so there'll be enough work to go around now ;) --Tothwolf (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lead too short?

I'm not sure what you consider to be missing from the intro to the article on the latest in a growing list of ex-Gillingham players in prison. The murder was not of such high profile that it would be mentionable but for the career path of the offender, his career was not so staellar that it has highlights to summarise in the lead. It says that he was a footballer, but he's now been convicted of murder: what more is necessary to make a reader decide whether they wish top read the remainder of the article? Kevin McE (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The lede is supposed to be an adequate summary of the important points of the article, not just a bare minimum of context. At the very least his clubs should be listed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check text, please

I've written the usual short para on RfAs at the SP draft for next week's edition. Please let me know if I haven't got the very summarised passage balanced correctly. Here. Tony (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me. Thanks for the write-up! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question (irrelevant to Wikipedia) I didn't see an answer to on your user page

I was curious, what do you do for Sun Microsystems? I'm studying computers in school (I'd like to put that knowledge to use someday), and I was curious about what you do because I haven't talked to anyone employed by a computer company (a major one, anyway), and of course considering my major I'll probably do computer work in the future as well. Thanks for your answer. --Evice (talk) 03:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I work on Solaris in a data center environment at the moment, monitoring the company's internal systems (the network of computers that keeps the company running). Basically, if a server component, OS or the software running on top breaks or malfunctions then I've got to fix that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 07:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds interesting. That would probably be a little more complex than what I've been learning how to do, which was dealing more with individual machines (and mostly just home computers or workstations and not servers) instead of groups of them, so I probably wouldn't be suited to what you do. --Evice (talk) 17:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You pick it up. :) When I was your age I'd just graduated from uni and did ISP technical support; I've gradually built up my skills since. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 18:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:AFC Asian Cup winners

Template:AFC Asian Cup winners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

You have new messages (last change).


Regards, --WFC-- 22:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy note

You are receiving this message because of your participation in this discussion, now continued at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Microformats. –xenotalk 13:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cquotetxt

Thumperward, today I come to my former discussions see their formatting all in ruins because you had blanked {{Cquotetxt}} and redirected it to another template.

Who authorized you to delete and redirect this template without a previous discussion? The fact that you are an administrator does not mean that you own Wikipedia or have the right to ruin its layout. In fact, last time I checked, you admins are supposed to be our model of behavior. (And certainly you won't be happy to see me running around deleting and redirecting every random template without a previous discussion, call it "MERGE" and then saying "It was a correct thing to do because Thumperward did it"!)

All right administrator Thumperward, you have your BOLD, and you have your REVERT. I trust you know about WP:BRD, don't you? Fleet Command (talk) 06:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, mind your attitude. I'm "authorised" to boldly merge templates by virtue of being an editor in good standing on the project who (usually) knows what he's doing. Furthermore, this edit was made over a month before I became an admin. Have you any actual argument for why this fork exists? How does merging it "ruin" the formatting of your "discussions"? Provide a test case and if it's compelling I'll see what I can do to ensure that you aren't inconvenienced. Otherwise I'll take it to TfD as an unneeded fork of the existing quote templates. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 13:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are authorized to perform bold changes but only to the extent allowed by WP:BRD and WP:SILENCE. You did your BOLD (B) and I did my REVERT (R). Now, if you are still willing to delete template, you have to follow Deletion process, which is a codified consensus between all Wikipedians. Once you started a deletion discussion (D) as outlined by this guideline, I will be more than glad to provide test cases. Otherwise, blanking templates is presence of evidences of lack consensus is not an acceptable behavior, be it from a Wikipedian in good standing or otherwise one with bad standing.
And please stop using the term "merge"; it does not apply here. This is a case of blanking/redirect not merge. Fleet Command (talk) 13:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you've got a legitimate reason for the fork then just spit it out here; there's no need for a formal discussion process when we're already in conversation. IMO you're making rather a big deal out of nothing, and I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing by it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Legitimate reason for fork? It's a template not an article; WP:CFORK does not apply. It's a useful tool used in Wikipedia. It is you who should provide a reason.
IMHO you are looking down at me as if I am a vermin or who has less rights than you do. Please kindly respect Wikipedia guidelines: If you want this template deleted, nominate it in TfD. And remember, Administrators are supposed to be a model of behavior for other Wikipedians; so please do not do what you yourself wouldn't like to see me doing. Fleet Command (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Template forks are generally discouraged as they duplicate effort and introduce inconsistency; argument #2 on the TfD "reasons to delete" addresses this. The guidelines are there to provide some semblance of order, but they are not immutable rules that have to be followed. I didn't expect you to have it demanded that I take a template to TfD in order to try to prise your argument for reverting out of you. I don't really know what your fascination with my being an administrator is about: I haven't used the tools in this discussion and how I respond to people I don't know from Adam turning up on my talk page to patronise me is largely irrelevant to my competence in that regard. Nevertheless, if I can be bothered I'll take this to TfD at some point. I do hope that makes you happy. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 19:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

a template arg parsing issue...

Hi. I'd be interested in comments concerning how a template arg might be parsed into two chunks; typically some data and then a ref are being passed as a piece and it's resulting in poor rendering due to a unit being glued onto the end.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied over there. It's theoretically doable, but not worth the effort compared to taking the easy route and getting a bot to fix the articles IMO. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 07:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox film

Hi Chris, dunno if you've seen my message on the talk page yet but I managed to drop a bollock with my sandbox code. Can you have another look please? Cheers! PC78 (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re-synced. Gracias. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Zimmer

Thanks, I'm going to request semi-protection if this is added again.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talk archives

Hello, Thumperward. You have new messages at Funandtrvl's talk page.
Message added 15:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Template:Singapore Statute

I recently did a major update to {{Singapore Statute}} and thought it was working fine, but just noticed that the template inserts an extra space in front of the title of a statute if |titlelink= is used:

Wikitext: ({{Singapore Statute|title=Penal Code|cap=224|ed=2008}})
Result: (Penal Code (Cap. 224, 2008 Rev. Ed.))
Wikitext: ({{Singapore Statute|title=Penal Code|titlelink=Penal Code (Singapore)|cap=224|ed=2008}})
Result: (Penal Code (Cap. 224, 2008 Rev. Ed.))

Note the space between the left parenthesis and "Penal Code" in the second example. In the first example, when |titlelink= is not used, the problem does not occur. If you have time, can you see if you can figure out what's wrong? Thanks very much. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 21:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just the parser moaning about whitespace, as usual. It's best to avoid using whitespace to tidy code up on Wikipedia unless you know the parser is going to ignore it. I've reformatted the template and this should be fixed now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 21:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. I thought the parser did ignore whitespace, but obviously I was wrong about that! Thanks very much. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 07:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Yeah, it usually does, except when it doesn't. The way it's treated newlines has changed repeatedly over the years, for instance. No matter. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Thumperward! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot notifying you on behalf of the the unreferenced biographies team that 1 of the articles that you created is currently tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 872 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

  1. Malcolm Kpedekpo - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 08:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circlip

Hi Thumper; why'd you put a dubious note on the Jesus clip statement when it's got three references? A note on the talk page would be much appreciated. Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 13:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied over there. Thanks for the note. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 13:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talk archives+

Hello, Thumperward. You have new messages at Funandtrvl's talk page.
Message added 21:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

BS 1363

Please review the discussion about folding plugs on the BS 1363 discussion page. Deucharman (talk) 10:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied over there. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 11:16, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Legislation/images

If you have time, your help with {{Infobox Legislation/images}} would be much appreciated. The Parliament of Singapore moved to a new building with effect from 6 September 1999, so I thought it would be great if I could get {{Infobox Legislation}} to automatically display an image of Old Parliament House if the date that a piece of legislation was enacted (indicated by |dateenacted=) was before 6 September 1999, and an image of the present Parliament House if the date of enactment was on or after that date. I figured that this should be fairly straightforward (see the "SINGAPORE" section of {{Infobox Legislation/images/sandbox}}), but for some reason it is not working (see {{Infobox Legislation/testcases}}). Any idea why? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 20:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You've predicated the change in flag on {{infobox Legislation/images/sandbox}} being given a gsd attribute. No such attribute is being passed to it. Remember that sub-templates do not automatically inherit any values from their parents; everything must be manually specified. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 20:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, could you explain that to me in simpler language? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 07:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I meant "dateenacted" and not "gsd". Anyway, rather than trying to explain it I've just fixed it. Have a look at the test cases page. Neat piece of code, by the way; very clever. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...while you're at it, the same switching technique will work fine for the image caption as well; are you planning on implementing that too, or do you want me to give it a bash? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Will have a look at what you did. Sure, you're welcome to go ahead and get your hands dirty! — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Had a look at your tweaks to {{Infobox Legislation/sandbox}} and {{Infobox Legislation/images/sandbox}}, and the light bulb illuminated. It's so obvious now that I've seen what you did. However, when I view {{Infobox Legislation/testcases}}, for some reason the image of Old Parliament House does not appear, even after I've cleared my cache. Instead, I see a hyperlink to the filename. Any idea what is happening here? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The image server's probably playing up. What size do you have your image thumbnails set to? Occasionally the image server barfs when trying to create a new thumbnail. I can verify that it's working fine here at any rate. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you can see it, then that's fine. Hopefully it's a transient issue. By the way, I noticed you changed the default image size (or, rather, you removed the forced default size of 180px). Is that the norm? Of course, with my default set at 300px it makes the infobox image very large indeed ... ;-) — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the use of {{gsd}}: I surprised myself. I was trying to think of a simple way to determine if one date was before or after another, and this was what came to mind. Not sure if there's any simpler way. Anyway, it seems to work quite well. I first used it at {{Singapore Hansard}}. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 10:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The norm is to display images at the user's chosen thumbnail size, which is what frameless does. If you've got your default size set really high (as you do) then this might be a little disconcerting, but gradually every infobox is moving to use this for images.. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i4gotemplt4XPANDintro,sory

[2]-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's {{lead too short}} (or just {{tooshort}}). If you've got Twinkle enabled you can add tags using the "Tag" tab. I've swapped the tag on that article: thanks! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

usdit![3]'d"submit"butn a.be o/top>acesibl?-----Please note, I have [[Repetitive Strain Injury]] and find typing very hard. I use a form of shorthand, which may be difficult to understand. I can be contacted through MSN (sven70) or Skype (sven0921) if my meaning is unclear. (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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