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Hey

Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Assistance reviewing Italian source?

Hi. :) There is an article listed at the copyright problems board with which I am in need of assistance I'm hoping you can supply. Pauly & C. - Compagnia Venezia Murano has been tagged under suspicion of being a direct translation of the history section of this website. (See its listing here.) Direct translations are, of course, derivative works and unusable on Wikipedia. I can see enough similarities to suspect that concerns may be justified, but since I don't read Italian I can't really say how close a translation this is. If you have opportunity to weigh in on this, I'd be ever so grateful. :) If not, please let me know so I can track down another active contributor who is proficient in Italian. I also try to keep conversations in one location, so I'll be watching your talk page. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to offer, even if it's just letting me know that you don't have time atm to offer assistance. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, actually I didn't need to do too much examination, since I found the English version of the site.;-) The History section is here and the bit about the mosiacs (Abraham Lincoln etc.) is here. And yes, it's a pretty close copy. If these links don't work, go the home page and at the very bottom under Language selection click on International. By the way, this is a very famous glass company in Italy and internationally. See, for example [1]. Certainly deserving of an article, although obviously not a copy vio one. Note that article's creator is User:Habanerosrl. Habanero Srl. are the Public Relations company for Pauly & C.. Hope this helps. Voceditenore (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Genius! :D Thank you very much. Very helpful. I'll check the closeness of copying and address the issue with the creator. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

It was a delight...

...to read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciation

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding answers.com! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? — CactusWriter | ^needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Image_alt parameter has been added to {{Infobox play}} Racepacket (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Great! Thanks so much! I'll add it to La Tosca. I used your "get-around" for the book infobox at I Love Bacon!. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

copyvio?

Hi Voce. This is an extremely close paraphrase of the source it's taken from. Bearing in mind that this was part of a certain SPI where thousands of similar poorly referenced stubs were created azlmost verbatim from certain web sites, policy allows us in such cases of SP + Copyvio to delete, rather than waste time trying to untangle and/or develop. However, from working with you, I appreciate your patience with getting even the most illegal articles up to scratch, so I would value your opinion before getting this, and maybe a few hundred more like it, deleted. Do not hesitate to reply on my tp if you wish. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 07:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, the opera project has a whole tome on this saga. Having said that, I wouldn't consider the article you highlighted as copyvio or even extremely close paraphrasing. It's not verbatim, has material not in the source cited and there are only so many ways you can express basic information (and the order) in a short biographical article. Are you looking at these from the BLP point of view or as part of the CCI on this editor? I don't think the article would be a particular loss to Wikipedia, and not worth the effort to re-write (there's virtually no information in English about her). These articles are all linked from other articles, so when interested people eventually see the red link they can always create a new article. I'll leave it up to you.Voceditenore (talk) 09:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, well as I'm not a deletionist per se, I won't make a fuss about this one. However, I have all the same pages on my watchist as well as very closely following the work of the one that was allowed to continue. Singingdaisies was only one of four or five accounts that was used, one still exists, and unfortunately, to complicate the issue, opera is only one of several branches of classical professions to continue to be targeted.`no longer en masse thopugh. --Kudpung (talk) 09:47, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

With Gratitude

Dear Voceditenore, We the Futureclass of 2010 would like to extend our sincere thanks for all of the help you have given us this semester. Your knowledge and efforts have aided us both as Wikipedians and as curious musicians. Our gratitude is boundless!

We hope to continue to stay in touch and look forward to continued collaborations! From the bottom of our hearts, Ksbaryton Searsjm Johncello2010 Ericakyree MatthewKim927 Dbalandrin Ijmusic Ksbaryton (talk) 01:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you to all of you! It's been a pleasure to watch the progress of Professor Jackson's classes since he started the Futureclass project four years ago, and I have to say this year's has been the best one yet. Wikipedia now has six new articles thanks to you, and in an area that is noticeably under-represented in Wikipedia's actually useful stuff. I've learned a lot from all of you too... about musicians and composers in an area far from the dusty corners that I usually edit in. You've all been great sports—it's not easy for new editors here, especially when they have to jump in at the deep end as you did. Best wishes to all of you and enjoy your well-earned Christmas holidays. Voceditenore (talk) 11:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• You really know how to encourage your fans! Thanks for validating the students' efforts and for contributing to the success that each enjoyed. We are particularly honored that you deem our stuff actually useful! Your message to Matt Kim about Lauba's image will help next year's aspirants. Ijmusic (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.176.103 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [2], [3], [4], [5]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesque

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: http://www.jstor.org/pss/3826405 -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

La Tosca

Hi voced. Are you interested in taking this to FA at all? I think it's already FA quality and you deserve the recognition for the outstanding work you did here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi 4M4. Thank you! But, well, frankly, I'd really rather not go for FA. I don't care about recognition at all, and the process would probably start removing a lot of the stuff that I like about the article, and that I think the readers would also enjoy, especially about the backgrounds to the characters etc. They'd also start raising a fuss about the images, which are all PD in the US, but possibly not world-wide, hence some would have to be moved out of Commons. Since it's not an opera article, I'd rather let sleeping dogs lie. Hope that's OK. By the way, thanks so much for monitoring User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult. I've been so busy with other stuff, that I kind of let that slip over the past couple of weeks. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. I completely understand your feelings on the FA review process. I didn't do the work at La Tosca, so I'll definitely defer to your wishes on the matter. On a related note to the AlexBot, I haven't been rating all of the articles and there is now a growing number of entries in Category:Unassessed Opera articles. Is it time for another assessment drive?4meter4 (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Purcell Operatic Society

Hello Voceditneore, An excellent article - I see that it is classed as a stub; whilst I think it certainly more than that, I do look forward to more!

Just a note on the extract page from Up to Now - I see this originates from Inside Intelligence, which explains a lot. It is an edited piece of text from pages 26 to 28/30, but sadly does not show this. As such it includes part of one of Martin's delightful diversions, in this case on Handel and Milton, to make it look as if it were all part of what was sung by the POS, but in fact it was a) not performed by the POS at all and b) by being edited, curtails the delight.

Just to explain further, it is a diversion on unsuitable lines – Thus, on the fatal banks of Nile./ weeps the deceiful crocodile – which was sung by the POS, on to unsuitable lines in Handel's oratorio Samson which had not, but had been sung by the Middlesex Choral Union, (founded by his father James Shaw and Robert Newman) in 1893. I quote from Up to Now: "To man God's universal law/Gave power to keep his wife in awe./Thus shall his life be ne'er dismayed,/ by female usurpation swayed". Even in 1893 the sentiments seemed a little antiquated to me, although the chorus sang them without turning a hair. For years I imagined the author of these words to have been a bachelor! It was only recently that I learnt that they had been taken, with but little alteration, from Milton's "Samson Agonistes" ... ixo (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ixo. I assumed the bit about the funny lines in Samson was simply a digression. Probably most readers would too, especially after they've read the article. It's too bad the online extracts aren't formatted to show that they've been edited and what the original page numbers were. I might make a note of that by the external link. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Jarvis Street Baptist Church

Thanks for your help with the stub issue. Here is another situation that I would like your input on. A new user, User:Kategona, recently added content on Jarvis Street Baptist Church to Henry Langley (architect). It really wasn't appropriate content for that article, so I copy pasted that content into a new article titled Jarvis Street Baptist Church. Then another new user, User:Iboury, added a bunch of unencyclopedic promotional material to the church article. I know you have a lot of experience with coi editors and I thought you might know how to best handle this. Thanks for any help in advance.4meter4 (talk) 08:10, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

"Off with their heads!" ;-) Seriously though, the second user had a point, albeit somewhat unencyclopedically expressed. Churches (apart from disused ones) are also congregations and neutrally worded information about that congregation's history and its activity in present times is not only appropriate but desirable in such articles. (I'm including it in an article I'm currently working on about a London church.) I've restructured the Jarvis Street article, rewritten the "Current activities" stuff, and added a section on the history of the congregation which predates the current church building by nearly 60 years and has included some quite famous Baptist preachers. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you. Great work on the article! Here is another image if you care to add it File:Jarvis Street Baptist Church.JPG.4meter4 (talk) 11:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Oooops. Forgot to mention that when copying or transferring material from one WP article to another, WP's license requires attribution, minmally in the edit history. I've done that now. Here's what it looks like: [6]. There's more about the process at Copying within Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I wasn't aware that there was a licensing issue in such cases. Interesting.4meter4 (talk) 11:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Geesh! Look what you started [7].;-) The other image isn't too great, but would be good in a gallery. I'm assembling one now with a couple of other images. Voceditenore (talk) 13:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh my! I wonder if these editors are church members who are excited about the new wikipedia article. lol4meter4 (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Keto and Kote

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato parts

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Hi VdT. I know you're not an admin, and you will have your reasons for not wanting to be, but would you be interested in being an active member of a designated task force to design and implement a pilot project RfA reform? Pl reply on my tp. Cheers. --Kudpung (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

John Easterlin

Hi Voce. I nearly deleted this as a creation by a sock, but I AGF'd and PRODDed instead. I have left a message at user talk:4meter4. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Just got back and had a look at it. The original article created by User:Nrswanson, was very short and had a reference for the Grammy [8] Subsequently a series of IPs, who I strongly suspect are the subject and/or his management have filled it with the promotional junk, and have been repeatedly removing maintenance tags, refs, cats, etc. I just restored the latest tags and have left a note on the article's talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 17:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know that 4meter4 and I have buried the hatchet and I've helped out on some of his stubs. Nrswanson was one of his socks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

That's great! By the way, I know who all the sox were—I wrote the page.;-) In this case, there really were no grounds for prodding the article on the basis of non-notability. It would have been a decisive "keep" at an AfD. Also, my understanding of deletion policy is that an article by a sock can't be summarily deleted unless it's by a sock of a banned user, and this was not the case here. Besides, if it's an article on a valid subject, what's gained by deleting it rather than reverting to a better version? All of which reminds me, that I need to take a large red pencil to the current schlock Chez Easterlin. Voceditenore (talk) 05:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

In the course of wielding my red pencil, I've discovered something very odd! User:Atj97 had been doing a lot of tag removing, reverting etc. on this article, but no obvious vandalism. At first I thought he was COI editor, but when I checked his edits in other articles, I found some quite unpleasant and blatant vandalism, e.g., [9], [10], [11], [12]. I then noticed that he had added spurious persondata to the Easterlin article [13]. I suspect he picked all four articles at random. Anyhow I've left him a Level 4 vandalism warning and removed the persondata from the Easterlin article. Let's hope he loses interest and/or gets blocked soon. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the much improved article!4meter4 (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I've checked those diffs and now also have the articles on my wl. He hasn't vandalised since your final warning, but if User:Atj97 makes just more disruptive edit or vandalism, don't waste time with ANI, let me know if I don't see it first and I'll block directly. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Adelina Patti

Here is a subject that falls squarely into your field of interest/expertise, that I believe could desperately use a dose of your red pen. This article is not referenced well (in terms of inline citations), has lots of unencyclopedic language, and, due to its poor quality, constantly attracts drive by editing. I hope I've enticed you to tackle this important historical singer.4meter4 (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Manoah Leide-Tedesco Article

Thank you for your help with the article and photograph copyright on the Manoah Leide-Tedesco article. The article is greatly improved with your changes and additional source information. I am a novice at Wikipedia, as is apparent, and I greatly appreciate the help and support. Actually I didn't even mean to post the article as yet and thought that it was on my User Page for my eyes only and Wikipedia editors. Perhaps I should move it back to the "Sandbox" until the article is completely ready. How do I do this?

Which brings me to my biggest worry regarding the article. The COI aspect that you pointed out to me. Yes, there exists a conflict of interest, or at least the appearance of one. I intended to address this once the article was written and before I posted it, but. . .

Manoah Leide-Tedesco was my wife's great uncle and I am the producer/owner of the ZioBella website that you sited as a source. This was the reason that I did not site my own website as a source.

But first, a little background. Leide-Tedesco's family heirs have requested this memorial website and have provided me with numerous correspondence between Leide-Tedesco and his peers in classical music as well as other fields. Leide-Tedesco died in 1982 and his entire estate was bequeathed to his favorite niece, my wife's mother. My wife's mother came to live with us in the end of her life, and thus my wife became keeper of the estate, though not executor. All of Leide-Tedesco's considerable collection of art, sculpture, books, music and over 75 years of correspondence were crated and have remained, virtually untouched since his death in 1982. Within the collection of correspondence and music are a number of letters, photos and manuscripts signed by many luminary figures in the world of art, music, science and philosophy.

The family has decided that parts of the collection will be offered for public auction, private sale, and/or bequeathed to the most appropriate individuals or institutions as determined by their familial, artistic or historical significance. The family turned to me to help because of my love of the Fine Arts, historical genealogy, and artistic skills. I am not a recipient to the estate (although my wife is) and I receive no compensation derived from the sale of Leide-Tedesco's estate, nor do I accept any advertising on my website so volume of "traffic" is not an issue.

My main focus has always been in making sure that the things of musical and historical significance make their way into the the public sphere of knowledge and appreciation that they so rightly deserve. In other words I have become completely obsessed with Leide-Tedesco, his achievements and the sphere of friends and historical figures that he knew. He deserves to be remembered as the artist and philosopher that he was, and the acknowledgement of the recognition that his contemporaries gave him at the time.

I started all this as little more than a "hobby" but it has grown into so much more. Leide-Tedesco saved virtually everything from his life with hundreds upon hundreds of newspaper clippings from all over the world detailing his travels and work as a conductor-composer, public speaker, and proponent of cultural appreciation. I became truly fascinated by the man and came to feel that I had access to materials that needed to be shared and not lost to the world. When I came back down to earth, I was struck by my own inadequacies and lack of "proper" credentials to the task at hand. I finally came to the conclusion that if not me Who? and not now When? If ever. In the back of my mind a possible self-published book on the subject is forming, obviously not for any monetary gain as much for posterity.

So that is where I am. Should I give up this task? Is the conflict of interest too great for Wikipedia? Will a public declaration of COI be enough?

I appreciate this opportunity to discuss this with you and hope that I have not bored you completely. Any advice that you can give me concerning this would be most welcome.

On another note, I noticed your interest in Opera. Leide-Tedesco (as well as his sister Maria) were family friends with opera singer Rosa Raisa, in fact Maria started out in Opera with her good friend Rosa. I have an autographed photo and a personal note from her commenting on the different paths the two chose, her's in Opera and Maria's in raising a family and the loneliness sometimes of her life. If you wish, I can scan these and send them too you for your collection.

Thanks again

TCoussens TCoussens (talk) 15:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Coming your way

Dear VdiT, If you can bear it, a new round of AWEs (Aspiring Wikipedia Editors) is coming your way from Berklee College of Music. We will make every effort to heed your good advice from past years. Hoping you're well, Ijmusic (talk) 00:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi IJ. Nice to see you again! I'm sometimes travelling in July, but will certainly look in your brood when I'm here. I've also added some info about images to the Futureclass talk page, which your students might find useful. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Cornélie Falcon

You deserve a "Gold Star" for knowing about (finding) Braud! Thanks so much! --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Klunky

You got that one right! Thanks for your lightning response and apt solution. Hoping you're well, dear friend. Ijmusic (talk) 12:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

for tidying my talk page. I actually raised the issue of these edits at WP:CNB#Needs to be turned into English but no one has looked at it. If you have time, perhaps you could help. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 10:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Greetings!

Hello, it's ksbaryton from Dr. Jackson's Futureclass! I am returning to work on my Wiki article on David Noon after a crazy spring semester. I was wondering if I could show you my updates over the next month or so, in an effort to improve my page with your wisdom. I hope to not be too big of a bother for you, I just really want this page to be successful in serving this composer. Thanks so much! ksbaryton Ksbaryton (talk) 17:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Responded here. Voceditenore (talk) 07:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For your quick handling, resulting in David Alan Walker SPhilbrickT 16:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

This summer's Berklee class thanks you, too

Dear VdiT, Thank you for visiting all our initial efforts. You hold mythic status in our Wikipedia adventure; for you to offer us each a personal visit encourages and helps us more than you can imagine. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Barrett Defrocked

Ha, kind of like Bob Dylan Unplugged, anyways: Talk:Stephen_Barrett/Archive 8 shows how he has been defrocked[14], IE. Lost his license and certification prospects. --BETA 13:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't show anything of the kind. But never mind. Voceditenore (talk) 17:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

"Sources" which should be "Further reading"

Hi, V. User Viva-Verdi, in his subcategorizing the reference sections of Opera and Operetta articles, has often added "Sources" which were not actually used for the article in question. Would you mind explaining the difference to him, and cautioning him to label any "added" sources as Further Reading rather than as Sources? You seem to know him better than I do, and you have already fixed one incident, so I thought you might like to handle this. I don't feel like searching back and fixing all the mislabeled items, but perhaps between the two of you, you might be able to do that. If so, thanks very much. Softlavender (talk) 02:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I've brought this issue up at here. I'll be away for the next month, but if you leave me a clear example here of an article listing Sources which should be Further reading instead, I'll raise the issue when I get back. Lots of OP members are away in August, so it's probably better to wait 'til then anyway. Having said that, a work can legitimately be listed as a source if it was used for the article, even if there are no inline citations attached to it. This why I think the current new division between Cited sources and Other sources is confusing and frankly silly. But here's an example where a bunch of articles had been added in one go the other day and I moved them to Further reading. They clearly had not been used as sources for the article. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

"Silly" perhaps, but these are some of the types of sources I have been adding to the "Other sources" section and why. Sources I have found which could be used for improving an article which are in a language which I find it very difficult to read and/or haven't had time yet to use for an article. Perhaps other editors who are more fluent in that language or have some time can use them for that purpose. Other sources in English which I have found either through citations or bibliographies that I have not seen or read but appear to be useful and may be in a library near another editor who could use them to add information to the article. (I haven't labeled them "Further reading" because I haven't read them myself and am not recommending them to the general reader as a source of further more detailed information.) I have also added some reference works to the Paris Opera article which are useful for adding information to articles related to the Paris Opera, but haven't yet been used to add information specifically to that article. Perhaps these should really be added to the Talk page, but I have the feeling they would just get lost or ignored if I put them there. Personally I have also found these citations useful as text to copy for pasting in the references section of a new article where I have used that source. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to copy most of this to the discussion you have added to project page. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Anthony A. Mitchell

That's some really nice work cleaning up - and shoring up - the article. I think it's a fine addition to the encyclopedia now. JohnInDC (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Rescuing deserving kittens from being drowned is one of my occasional hobbies, although I've drowned quite a few undeserving ones too.;-) I think there were two main problems at that AfD. One was trying apply the Composer guidelines to this person, when their main notability lay elsewhere. Though, that was initially fostered by a very badly written lede. Another was the misguided interpretation of other existing guidelines, e.g. that the use of an obituary for a source is evidence that the person was notable for only one event, i.e. dying. Anyhow, all's well that ends well. By the way, I totally agree with you about the er... "close paraphrasing", aka copyvio. I still found some which had to be rewritten even after SarekOfVulcan had stubbed it. You did well to alert Moonriddengirl about the potential others. She's really good in these situations. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:12, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with the AfD outcome. To me he looked like one of a series of Navy Band leaders who happened to die late enough in history, and to have hung around Washington long enough, to earn an obit in the Post. The difficulty of finding any other sources about him (qua him) suggested to me that he wasn't notable. And I didn't fully appreciate what leading the Navy Band means. (The article creator's emphasis at Talk:Washington, D.C. on Mitchell's having composed the "official", but to all appearances long-forgotten, march of DC is what put 'composer' into my head.) Anyhow his notability got teased out and explained better in the AfD, which is a good part of the point after all so, as you say, all's well. Thanks re Moonriddengirl. I think she has her work cut out for her. JohnInDC (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Marina Poplavskaya

Hi, I've just posted to WP:BLPN#Marina Poplavskaya, relating to the Marina Poplavskaya article, thought you might like to know. Any help you could give would be great. Thanks Aegoceras (talk) 13:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I wrote to the woman to ensure that she saw your great advice. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Cronaca del Luogo

Hello, I noticed you moved the article to "Cronaca del luogo" per Italian captilisation rules. However, the word Luogo is used by Berio in this sense to refer to God (in Hebrew), hence the capitalisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.56.106.133 (talk) 04:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

If you can find a reference to support this, please add it to the article. My impression is that there is metaphorical relation there but that "luogo" (place)is not used as a another name for God. Note also that the word is not captialised by the Centro Studi Luciano Berio either. Voceditenore (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Guidance on notability / sourcing etc

Had I access to a decent library I would be able to do so much more work on opera pages. But I don't and there we are. One thing I've noticed is that articles on current singers are far less likely to attract promotional-esque puffery once they are set out in a decent format, and with a dry tone established; furthermore, if these pages are already in existence then they are less likely to be created in a spirit of hagiography.

I had in the past created Anna Christy, Neil Howlett and Anthony Michaels-Moore, all of whom were all clearly notable. As I've said elsewhere I've been a little unsure of where the notability lines are drawn for opera singers. After looking at the examples you pointed out for me, I tested the water with Nicholas Sharratt, who has just progressed from many years of small roles with Opera North to the title role in Orpheus in the Underworld with Scottish Opera. That seems to have survived inspection.

As you also saw I created Artur Ruciński, where my problem, as you noted, was that of sources: he hasn't performed in English-speaking countries yet (though I think its only a matter of time if this is anything to go by) and his English-language publicity is a bit over-enthusiastic. I hope what I found will do for the time being?

Most recently I was surprised to discover that Gary Lehman hadn't been created. I think that I've done a decent job of that one - if you have any thoughts about it, please tell me, so I can then use it as a model in future almost-instinct 10:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Gary Lehman is a nice compact, well-written little article. You need to format the citations though. Bare URLs are not a good idea. Artur Ruciński is a little more iffy in terms of the kinds of sources provided, but it would survive an AfD. There is a lot about him in Polish, and there's nothing to stop you adding those, some of them are from quite reliable independent sources, e.g. Polityka, Rzeczpospolita, Polskie Radio, etc. I watched the video, by the way—gorgeous voice!

Re puffery prevention... Alas, I wish I had a pound for every time I've seen them march in and over-write a reasonably neutral article with complete dross, e.g. here, here, and here Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for this advice. I've made the references for Gary Lehman look pretty. Thanks to reading through some messageboard chat when he had taken over from Domingo in a Met Walkure mid-scene I discovered that his past is slightly more complex than his official biography suggests... ;-) Fortunately I was then able to find one (but only one) reference to go with it. Now I've got that done I'll plough through those Polish sources for Artur Ruciński, armed with my trusty Google Translate. The bit of his singing, btw, which initially impressed me was his Valentin - a role I feel is usually given to far too light a voice. I suppose once you've paid for the tenor, the soprano and the bass.... almost-instinct 09:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Josh Groban

Why did you delete Josh Groban from the lists of tenors? IMO, he is a tenor. Cyhh2002 (talk) 07:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Because you provided no reference to a reliable source to verify it. List of tenors in non-classical music is not the place to post your personal opinions, nor is anywhere else on Wikipedia. I'm not the only editor who removed your attempts to add his name without a reference [15]. Voceditenore (talk) 12:08, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Andrea Salvadori

Materialscientist (talk) 23:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

You rock

Not that this is news to me. :) I'd have never found all that. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Reinstating the article Camelia Voin

Dear Voceditenore, This is an update regarding singer Camelia Voin, whose article has been deleted in February 2009. Please, advise if the following info is strong enough to warrant the reinstating of the article, and if so, what the procedure is.

- February 9, 2009 you made the following comment The soloist performances in Horst Gehann's Bach Project might help towards establishing notability. But it needs some kind of verification that this is actually the case, verification which is independent of Ms. Voin, for example press reviews or articles from Germany or at least official performance listings. The following website from the archives of Siebenburgiche Zeitund is a record of the June 23, 2002, 97th concert of the Bach Werke Zyklus Project. The article is mentioning only that there was a group of six international solo singers joining the Bach-Chor Darmstad and the Kammerorchester Pro Musica under the direction of Horst Gehann.http://www.siebenbuerger.de/zeitung/artikel/alteartikel/1111-dramma-per-musica-in-darmstadt.html However, the following link is the first page of the Concert Program collaborating the fact that Camelia Voin was the solo soprano singing the role of Momus. http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3597/bachwerkezyclus97konzer.jpg Professorgheorghe (talk) 03:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

- Camelia Voin is listed in the Dictionary of Celebrated Personalities of Opera on the Romanian National Opera webside. http://www.operanationala.ro/personalitati/personalitati.php?litera=VO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professorgheorghe (talk • contribs) 17:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

- July 2010, Camelia Voin presented a concert at the Accademia di Romania in Rome, Italy. http://www.accadromania.it/archivio2010_2.htm

- July 17, 2009 – An article about Camelia Voin was published in the Romanian “Q Magazine” http://www.qmagazine.ro/caleidoscop/caleidoscop-opera/camelia-voin-%E2%80%9Evreau-sa-revin-pe-scenele-din-romania%E2%80%9D/

- October 9, 2010, Radio Romania aired an interview with Camelia Voin, which also included several musical selections. http://www.romania-actualitati.ro/virgil_nemoianu-20200

- December 2010, the city of Lugoj awarded to its most notable natives Lifetime Achievement Awards. At this Gala festivity, soprano Camelia Voin received the Cultural Lifetime Achievement Award. (Mrs. Voin was born in Lugoj, Romania.) http://www.redesteptarea.ro/stiri-actualitate/lugojenii-cu-care-romania-se-mandreste-au-fost-premiati-la-cea.html

- April 2, 2011, Camelia Voin performed the world premiere of Due canti per voce e piccola orchestra by Guido Alberto Fano at Loma Linda University, CA. http://www.archiviomusicaleguidoalbertofano.it/ Professorgheorghe (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

- May 2011, Camelia Voin was conferred the Doctor of Musical Arts degree with a major in vocal performance by the Claremont Graduate University. (Actual graduation date was July 2010.) http://www.cgu.edu/pages/4100.asp

Currently Dr. Camelia Voin is professor of voice at CGU http://www.cgu.edu/pages/1097.asp and UCR http://music.ucr.edu/people/instructors/voin/index.html

- June 12, 2011, Camelia Voin performed at the celebrated Teatro La Fenice in Venice, Italy. The concert, entitled “Antico e Popolaresco” was organized and sponsored by the Archivio Musicale Guido Alberto Fano, the City of Venice, the Region of Veneto, the Gran Teatro La Fenice Foundation, and the Giorgio Cini Foundation, in celebration of the 50 years anniversary from the death of Italian composer Guido Alberto Fano, and at the 150 years anniversary of the unification of Italy. Concert notes were presented by the Italian Radio RAI 3 producer Valentina Lo Surdo. http://www.agendavenezia.org/en/evento-21694.htm http://reynaldo-hahn.net/Html/actualitescentre.htm http://www.archiviomusicaleguidoalbertofano.it/ http://www.cini.it/en/event/detail/3/553

An excerpt from this concert can be viewed on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4JMScxAvB0

Warm regards Professorgheorghe (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. Sorry for the late reply. I've been quite busy in other areas of Wikipedia this week. I'll be sure to get back to you on this in couple of days. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Buongiorno + gentile richiesta di miglioria e traduzione per Cristina D'Avena

Buongiorno a lei,

la scrivo anzitutto per sapere come sta e per augurarle una buona giornata, che sia luminosa e gioiosa. Oltre a questo le segnalo, vista la sua passione per l'Italia e la Musica Italiana, l'articolo sulla mia beniamina della mia infanzia: Cristina D'Avena, avevo chiesto ad alcuni amici nelle varie Wikipedie di far una traduzione basandosi sull'inglese, ma come ho potuto constatare anch'io l'articolo è quasi decadente, per questo mi affido a lei, al suo buon cuore ed alla sua precisione. Quello che molto gentilmente le chiedo è un restauro dell'articolo una miglioria di traduzione, morfologia e sintassi, e referenze varie. Sa, Cristina ha praticamente cresciuto fino ad oggi ben 4 generazioni di bambini e giovani (me compreso), ultimamente si sta dedicando a temi per giovani un po' più cresciutelli, tipo la canzone che le vado a mostrare, dedicata ai grandi amori, la dedichi ad un suo caro o amico. detto questo sperando in una sua bella e certa risposta, la ringrazio in anticipo di vero cuore, anche a nome di Cristina D'Avena, che sono certo che le piacerà la canzone (spero), grazie ancora e Buona Giornata.--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 05:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Ciao Lodewijk, ho aggiunto un paio di referenze. La voce in inglese non è male per dire la verità, almeno dal punto di vista di sintassi e stile generale, però manca i dettagli della sua vita. Purtroppo non avrò tempo in questo momento di espanderla, ma se vuoi espanderla tu, sarei lieta di fare il copy editing.

(Hi Lodewijk. I've added a couple of references. The English article isn't bad, to tell the truth, at least from the point of view of grammar and style. However, it lacks details about her life. Unfortunately, I won't have time to expand the article myself, but if you want to expand it, I'd be happy to do the copyediting.)

Voceditenore (talk) 08:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

La Ringrazio vivissimamente, certamente lo farò, in questo periodo, cosa posso tradurle in siciliano per contraccambiare la sua generosità? sono a sua disposizione, nel frattempo le chiedo gentilmente se potrebbe occuparsi della voce su una mia vecchia conoscenza, la conobbi nella mia terra natale durante una sfilata di moda, anche se in Italia e Paesi anglofoni è molto famosa, è una giovane donna molto dolce e simpatica si chiama Ludmilla Radchenko, quello che molto amabilmente le chiedo è una revisione generale dell'articolo, come lei sa fare, se potrebbe aggiungere l'IPA ancora meglio. detto questo le auguro un buon inizio di Giornata, che sia prospero e Munifico :D un sorriso. Luigi--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 06:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

qui alcune info sul suo nuovo sito--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 06:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan Cohler

Given what Classmusic posted on the JC talkpage and on my own talkpage ("Your attempts and collusion here and elsewhere have nothing to do with the substantive discussion of articles at hand" - yes he means you, too!) I've moved the discussion here. Hopefully some helpful admin will take control of the situation.... Happy editing ;-) almost-instinct 08:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I can call myself a helpful admin, but hopefully I am...

*ahem* Hi! Almost-instinct brought this to our attention, so I figured I'd take a look. Turns out Classmusic and Cohler are indeed one and the same. Given that fact, I've blocked Cohler (as that's the account the user retired) and left a warning for Classmusic here. Hopefully, that's the end of the sockpuppetry.

As for whether or not Cohler/Classmusic is the subject of the article is unprovable - if they are, then there's a clear conflict of interest and the article will have to be rewritten to avoid any bias. I'm sure Almost-instinct and yourself can figure something out in this department. Of course, this isn't free leave to spin the article as you wish; rather, try to weed out any possible bias or weasel words. I've told Classmusic not to edit the article for now, and I'll keep that restriction in place until they venture out onto their talk page and actually discuss this issue.

That aside, hopefully this eases your guys' workload a bit. Keep up the great work, m.o.p 18:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Not so much a helpful admin, as a Deus ex machina ;-) almost-instinct 19:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I've always fancied being a plot device. Cheers! m.o.p 20:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I wish I could be a Deus ex machina ;-). On a more serious note, see Talk:Jonathan Cohler#Copyright issues. User:Cohler quite openly said he was the subject of the article and that he had added a GDFL license to his website so it could be copied verbatim onto Wikipedia. Not sure how much more proof is needed, re the conflict of interest. It's funny, people who use WP for PR never quite realize how blindingly obvious promotional text is, nor do they realize that it actually reflects negatively on the subject, regardless of who put it in the article. Anyhow, thanks again for your help. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know there had been an admission of personal identity - funny, because he was accusing you two of trying to out his identity, yet he did so himself.

Anyway, a bit of stuff happened behind the scenes, and it's clear Mr. Cohler does not wish to participate in the project further. He won't need his accounts to edit. Again, you and almost-instinct have been great: keep it up! Cheers, m.o.p 19:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if VdT regrets bringing her "latest tussle" to my attention? ;-) I hope m.o.p. got accused to having "an axe to grind" aswell? Sometimes I wonder if the warning "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here" should be written in flashing pink almost-instinct 21:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment

hi, i am new to wiki editing, thanks for your help in assisting me. 14.97.23.139 (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm not sure which article you're referring to, but I'm glad it was a help. Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Mysorean Army

Sir website author give the free licence to me to use it into wikipedia. Then how to send it to wikipedia. Sridhar100000 (talk) 08:05, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

• I've replied at your talk page [16]. Voceditenore (talk) 12:45, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Adam Fong article

Can you tell my why you deemed the link you removed as inappropriate?Canticle (talk) 11:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Because it's a form of advertising and unencyclopedic to say "Many of Fong’s scores as well as sound files and videos are available on the work page of his web site". The article already links to his website twice. It doesn't need a third link. Readers who are interested in finding out what's on his website can simply go there. You'll notice that I've also tagged the article for having only primary sources and notability issues. Frankly, unless you can find significant coverage about him in completely independent published reliable sources (I looked and couldn't), or he can fulfill one of the other criteria at WP:MUSICBIO, this article is highly likely to go up for deletion. Voceditenore (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Invisible Barnstar
		It's always a pleasure working with you, especially on your rare excursions outside the world of opera. It's nice to know that there are people like you around, and ready to lend a hand, clean up, and offer advice - especially to me :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Your comment at WP:MCQ

Reading your question at WP:MCQ about File:Java code from uml.png, I thought you might want to know — there's a similar type of media help board on Commons at commons:Commons talk:Licensing. Nyttend (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for that. I mosied over and found that Commons:Village pump/Copyright is even better as the Licensing talk page seems to be primarily for discussing content and changes to that page. At least I know where to go now. I wish they'd make these things more obvious on the main help page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Luca Antonio Predieri

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

This hook surprised me — I've heard of the opera Il sogno di Scipione, but by Mozart. Are the two related (e.g. Mozart derived it from Predieri), or are they totally different except for their title? Talkback, please. Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Mozart used the same libretto by Metastasio, albeit 40 years later. Metastasio was the court poet to the Hapsburgs and wrote it originally for the 1735 birthday of the Emperor. Poor old Predieri, no one remembers him anymore, but his score for Il sogno di Scipione is one of the few of his that has survived. Voceditenore (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ebony Bones

Can you tell my why you deemed the photo you removed as inappropriate in replace of a photo which is NOT the artist. Vandalism and trolling will not be tolerated and a request for protection on this page has been sent to Wiki ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.199.109.30 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)‎

• Replied on your talk page. - Voceditenore (talk) 06:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion

We spoke about adminship already. Perhaps you can mail me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Mam, I am extremely sorry for the copvios in my edits,now i restarted the work and I want you to go through it if you have time.I wrote the stuff on "Gray Box Testing" in my sandbox.Netra Nahar (talk · contribs) Netra Nahar 16:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)