User talk:Steven Crossin

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NLP: I am a little bit confused.

Well, me too. I was sort-of hoping that someone would take it over and save me the effort of trying to organise it. Perhaps that was unrealistic :-<. I'll get back to it in a little while William M. Connolley (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, it can be like that. Normally when one requests a CU it's because the behavioral evidence provided is pretty strong but not certain. I looked at the evidence page you linked and couldn't make much sense of it, hence my "wtf" sort of response. I'm watching the case so will see any updates. Best, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 10:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Nom, nom, nom

You have been nomed :) Pedro :  Chat  10:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, I have. :) Now we just wait for Doug and then transclude :) Wish me luck :p Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 10:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Are you talking about being an administrator? I'll support you, if that's what this is referring to. (What is "transclude"?) HuskyHuskie (talk) 11:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, this is for an RfA. It's not live yet. Transcluding an Rfa, when it's added to the main Rfa page, marks the start of the 7 day period. Hope that explains it. Thanks :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I just now signed on and saw you at RFA then voted my support, but I guess it was too soon, so I undid it. When can we vote our support? HuskyHuskie (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

You can vote whenever you like, the Rfa is live. The listed date is when it ends. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Steven, when I look at your RFA page, and click on your name, it goes to some type of a "draft" page. Is that correct? HuskyHuskie (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I've fixed it. Best, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Now I see that, while you have two support votes, the vote counter is not registering them. Something else is amiss, no? HuskyHuskie (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The vote counter isn't immediate, but yeah, I made other errors. That will teach me to transclude an RFA with my iPhone :P Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:48, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

You're an iPhone user? Hmmmmm, I'm going to have to give more thought to this before giving you my support. HuskyHuskie (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. It appears that the transclusion is not fully complete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Crap, what did I miss? Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 12:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Kudpung, what issue are you seeing? I don't see a problem except that the counter seems inordinately slow.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The counter is what I was going to ask about. Is it not instantaneous? HuskyHuskie (talk) 13:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I may have contributed to the confusion regarding Kudpung's comment, as I inserted my comment above his, though it was posted later. HuskyHuskie (talk) 13:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, maybe that was it. There were some early issues with the transclusion related to the draft link you noted but they have all been resolved I believe and the counter is now up-to-date. The counter is a little slow, nothing is instantaneous. ;-)--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Spanish Inquisition

As it is visible from my comments and from comments of others, the article suffers from distortions, incompleteness, and narrowness which is not in category of general concerns; the comments are very particular and precise. About consensus, the exiting article version is not result of any consensus nor it make sense expecting any consensus ever. Ignorance, bad intentions, and disrespect of real knowledge are unsurmountable barriers here. Your refusal to make the article editable does not make sense. You did not participate in this discussion, your overall user contributions are outside history, which makes me ask you: what makes you qualified to judge this case?--71.191.19.40 (talk) 19:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. My decline of the edit protected request was for a few reasons. The main reason for it is that you didn't request anything specifically to be changed, and from reading the section you linked I could not determine what changes to made either. Edit protected requests should be used when you know exactly what needs to be altered, for example, "Change word X to word Y, because this reference states that the opinion has changed" or something like that. As for the protection of the article, this is neither something I applied or something I can remove, as I am not an administrator. You can of course request the article be unprotected at requests for page protection, but you may be better off discussing your concerns at the article talk page and coming to a consensus on what changes should be made. Best, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Mike Bush

In response to this, there is a strong assertion of notability in that he has received several regional awards as well as a national RTNDA Edward R. Murrow Award. The latter award is verified by this, and—considering that WP:ANYBIO states that someone is notable if he "has received a well-known and significant award or honor"—I think it establishes Bush's notability. Goodvac (talk) 23:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, you are right. I'm not sure how I missed that, my google news search for some reason didn't find that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have undone my redirect. Best, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Goodvac (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Content

After our discussion about my desire to get better at content work I spoke to Wehwalt about it and they agreed to help me on that. Cloveapple (talk) 00:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Great, glad to hear it. Wish you the best of luck, keep in touch. :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Two factor

Your phone rings every time you check your email? You expect us to believe that? Gigs (talk) 03:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

No, you must have misread. If I login from a computer from which I have logged out of my email account, I have to answer a call which provides me with a verification code. It's Google 2-step verification, you can see the details here. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. That makes more sense. Gigs (talk) 03:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've updated my answer at RFA as well, as I do see how it is a little bit unclear. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

MedCab

Hi there, Steven. I'm hoping to mediate my first case at the Mediation Cabal and I was wondering, as it's my first, if you'd mediate it with me. The case is Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/08 November 2011/Iraqi Turkmens. Would that be ok? Thanks, ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'd love to. My MedCab case is a bit slow at the moment and I could use something to take my mind off the RFA. Jump on IRC, into #wikipedia-medcab, let's chat there and get started. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 21:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'll join the IRC in a second. I've just opened the case, essentially copying what I saw in others. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I think I'm in the IRC - I've never really used it before, so I'm not too sure what I'm doing. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Nope, can't see you anywhere. Go to Webchat, put ItsZippy as the username, type #wikipedia-medcab as the channel to join and enter the captcha. I'll guide you from there. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 21:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah ha - that's worked, thanks. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

GA review

Hey, when you reviewed Darren Osborne you said you'd rereview it when i felt it was ready. If you'd rather someone else review it than thats fine too, i don't mind either way. D4nnyw14 (talk) 22:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. It's looking a lot better. I'd be happy to re-review it but it may take me until Sunday or Monday to get to (it's Thursday morning here). I've got a few things I need to attend to over the next few days, but should be free after that. By the way, you can use {{Cite episode}} to reference storyline/plot info. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, i've cited most of the plot now but will keep that in mind in future. D4nnyw14 (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Meh

nm; 6 mth, or someth.  Chzz  ►  03:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Steven, I'm so sorry for the way things went down. I think you helped yourself with the way you withdrew; it was a classy exit. I don't know how long will be long enough for you to make it (obviously, for some, no amount of time will matter), but I will support you again whenever it is, but I promise that next time I'll only cast my !vote and otherwise remain silent. I don't know if I was part of the problem for you, but I realize now that some people can turn anything against someone, if they want. HuskyHuskie (talk) 03:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

At least you proved RFA is still broken and that off-wiki canvassing to generate opposes is tacictly accepted and allowed to go unchallenged. Bugger. Always happy to renominate mate. Chin up. Pedro :  Chat  07:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Pedro, I appreciate that. I think I'll get back to work witg my ideas in reforming the dispute resolution processes. It may be a while before I take you up on your offer, I'd say at least th middle of next year. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 07:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

• I just wanted to chime in and say that I'm sorry your RfA went up in flames like that. I'm not sure if we've ever met, but I've seen you around and I really appreciate all the good work you do for this site. Although I respect the opinions of everyone in the oppose column, I still think it's very unfortunate that all of this happened because of a few really poor choices from three years ago. I suspect your RfA would have ultimately passed had it been allowed to run the full duration, but I respect your decision to end it before it got out of hand. If you ever apply for adminship again, rest assured I'll support. Master&Expert (Talk) 09:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey Steven, sorry all that shit happened. I was going to !vote today, went to RfA and saw that it had closed. That's a shame: I do think you would make a good admin. Don't worry, though, if some of the oppose votes are to be believed, you'll be an admin sometime before the heat death of the universe. (Sigh.) You've shown considerable maturity throughout the whole process, and you can go forward from this with your head held high. You don't have a problem; the process is borken. Again, sigh. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:40, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Steven. While I completely understand that you understand that what you did in 2008 was wrong. Quite frankly, don't take any of this personally. I admire the way you went out, and for it you should keep your head high. If you are wondering why so many people fretted over the 2008 incident (which I'm not saying it's something not to be fretted over) is that you only have 6 months of recent editing. I understand you've changed, and like you said, by the middle of next year, depending on how things go, if you do accept another RfA, I will support it. But with the 2008 incident still fresh in everybody's mouths and only 6 months of recent editing, like I said, you're just not ready for the mop and bucket...yet. Not now, but soon. Thanks for all your hard work on the wiki the past 6 months, and God bless. Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 13:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Steven. Sorry to see that this RfA ended up going downhill. I was pretty confident you'd pass, and am disappointed to see that people crawled out of the woodwork to !oppose towards the end. I hope you continue to edit as productively as you have been, without letting it bring you down. You can count on me for a !support next time around, if you so choose to run again. – GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

MedcabBot issue

This is obviously not a good situation. But what can we do, if they're going to hold discussion someplace other than the case page and then complain that the case page is inactive? Anomie⚔ 17:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Perhaps increase the threshold for inactivity from one to two weeks? Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Except for the bot marking it inactive and then the mediator making a small edit, that case page has already been inactive for 2 weeks. I've invited Alpha Quadrant to comment here, in case he has any insight. Anomie⚔ 21:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hm. Perhaps there's a field or something we can put in somewhere the mediator can use to ensure the bot doesn't mark it inactive? I dunno, didn't expect this. Mediation on the article talk page really isn't my style. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 21:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, did just that: {{medcabstatus}} now takes a parameter |external discussion= to point to where the external discussion is occurring, and the bot will consider the last edit to that page when trying to determine inactivity. Note that if that is pointing to a page with other active discussions on it, the bot may never be able to mark the case inactive. Feel free to adjust the wording at Template:Medcab case update or the field label and formatting at Template:MedcabStatus; if you want changes to how the bot lists it on the Cases page, let me know. Anomie⚔ 14:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

I felt sorry when you withdraw your RfA nomination. However you are keeping up with you're best efforts so I gave you this. Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 01:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) I could use some coffee actually... Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 01:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Abortive abortion appellative reapportion

Do you have any objection to moving Opposition to the legalization of abortion to Opposition to the legality of abortion and Support for the legalization of abortion to Support for the legality of abortion? To "legalize" is to make something legal that's presently illegal, whereas "legality" is the term with the relevant extension. Since the current titles were imposed after a lengthy controversy, I wanted to check to make sure there wasn't some hidden rationale I was missing for the choice of "Legalization" over "Legality." -Silence (talk) 01:25, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I think that might be something worth discussing, however think that it may wise to wait until the Abortion arbitration case is over, and that it should be brought up on the talk pages of the respective articles. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 01:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Found on flickr

I ran into Jack Bauer on flickr and suggested he stop by your page, but he said it would be better if you stopped by his office. Cloveapple (talk) 07:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Hope this is useful for one of the articles. I don't know enough about the show to know if this is during filming or between takes, but it's definitely on the set and with the right license. The office one is also right licensing, but I wasn't sure it was useful. Cloveapple (talk) 04:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Lol, that is not Jack Bauer's office :P Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The office photo caption must have been a private joke then. Naïveté thy name is Cloveapple. Cloveapple (talk) 05:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems a shame, the uploader of that image has many other images they uploaded but they copyrighted all of them. Maybe I can convince them to change the license. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I noticed the other images. I was just focused on finding free ones. Are they good? It sure couldn't hurt to ask. Cloveapple (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not bad. :) Did you find any other free ones? Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't see any other free ones on that search unless you count some clearly stolen ones and some ad ones. [1] [2] But since the ads would be copyrighted & take up most of the shot I doubt they are usable. I saw one ad one that might be useable if Japan has Freedom of Panorama copyright rules since it's part of a wider scene, but now I can't find it. (I'll look again.) So far I just did searches for Bauer under the actor's name & the character's name, so I could have easily missed shots of other 24 things. I'll let you know if I see some though. (Are you familiar with Flickr's Creative Commons search engine? You can search by license at Flickr:Creative Commons if you click on "see more" under the license that interests you. There's a section for plain Attribution Licensed stuff and one for the Attribution-ShareAlike License.

I know you mentioned seeing other pics by the same person as the one I uploaded to Commons. I looked again but didn't see them. If you are hoping to sweet talk a Flickr person into releasing some unfree ones Mike Lynaugh's photostream is full of shots of actual filming and the set.

Also have you ever asked anybody connected with the show if they'd release any of the pics? IMDB.com has a free trial offer of their Pro version which lists contact info for lots of producers, actors, etc. Might be worth trying. Who knows maybe they'd have pictures of sets, props, or actors. After all it benefits them to have an article covering them look good. Cloveapple (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia log says that...

Hello, Steven

This Wikipedia log says you are not an administrator! It is wrong, isn't it? I am sure you were nominated.

Regards, Fleet Command (talk) 08:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed I was. My RfA was failing, so I withdrew it. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 09:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Amazing indeed. Last time I checked my user page, you had 90% support with over 200 supporters.

Although, I must confess that I was also worried. Those who become an administrator in Wikipedia change beyond recognition; they become extremely conservative, often afraid of their own shadows, refuse to cooperate with their colleague as they did before becoming an administrator though not because of the backlog they are burdening – as if something is binding them. Even the boldest administrators I know mellowed over time. Three administrators whom I was fond of have vanished. I briefly knew you, so I was afraid you might become like that. Regards, Fleet Command (talk) 12:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

That's true, and I've seen it before. ~~Ebe123~~ → report ← Contribs 16:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I had no plans on being a nervous admin. Backlogs are there to be cleared, I didn't for a second think of not doing admin stuff out of fear. But that ship has sailed. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

As requested...

You lucky bastard.

Thanks :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 04:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

RS/N

Could you finalise your reversion series soon? Fifelfoo (talk) 00:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops! I forgot! I've done that now. Thanks :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 00:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries! Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

How should MedcabBot handle "On hold"?

Do we want to add a new 'category' for "Hold", or just lump them in with Inactive? Or what? Anomie⚔ 04:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I made a category for cases that have been placed on hold, Category:Wikipedia Medcab cases on hold. Perhaps lump them with inactive but instead of the field "Inactive since X", make it something like "On hold since X"? Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 04:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: MedCab

I was going to ask for a second mediator to help - how about you act as the second mediator? --Thehistorian10 (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd love to, but I'm up to my neck with other disputes at present. I've poked two other mediators to see if they can assist. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 04:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia Ambassador Program

Hi Steven!

I understand that an official welcome message was overlooked upon approval of your application to join the Global Education Program as an Online Ambassador. My apologies. Welcome just the same! The steps you need to take now, a few things you need to read, are bolded.

When you get a chance, please add your username to the official list of Online Ambassadors and add a profile for yourself here (which helps match Online Ambassadors with classes in their areas of interest).

Here are some things you should know to help you get started:

The role of the Online Ambassador

The main role of for an Online Ambassador is to join the "pod" for one or more participating classes. The pod is the team of people helping a class of students contribute effectively to Wikipedia, consisting of the course instructor, the local Campus Ambassadors who will work with the class in person, the Online Ambassadors who work with the class online, and the Regional Ambassador for the pod who will check in periodically with the pod to make sure everything is going well.

A prototypical pod might look something like this:

• An instructor who is fairly new to Wikipedia, leading a class of 20 students assigned to make significant contributions to new or existing articles related to the course subject.
• Two Campus Ambassadors, one of whom is an experienced Wikipedian and one of whom is new to Wikipedia. The Campus Ambassadors will have gone through a training program on the basics of Wikipedia and how to help students contribute effectively.
• Two Online Ambassadors, one moderately experienced on Wikipedia and one very experienced, who can answer basic questions and give good editing advice and find others to help when they get in over their heads, one of whom has a particular interest in the subject area of the course.
• One Regional Ambassador, a moderately experienced Wikipedian who is working with 15 different pods spread across a big geographical region.

(That's an idealization, but it gives you an idea of the spectrum of people in each of the roles in the program.)

The expections for an Online Ambassador in a pod (and what you can expect from other pod members) are laid out in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between pod members. In short the role of the Online Ambassador is to:

• Help students in your class(es) when they ask for it, answer their questions, and generally watch out for them
• Help students to get feedback on their work (whether from you or other editors an interest in / knowledge of the subject area)
• Be a good example for students, modeling good wiki communication and editing practices
• Communicate regularly with the other members of your pod about how things are going and problems are coming up

To join a pod, go to the MOU signup page, which lists the courses for the current term, and leave your signature in one of the Online Ambassador slots for the pod you want to join.

You can also help as an Online Ambassador outside of your role as a pod member, anywhere you see students who could use help. Feedback on the substance (rather than style and formatting) of student articles, in particular, is always a need.

If you use IRC, please consider adding #wikipedia-en-ambassadors and #wikipedia-en-classroom to your channel lineup. The latter is the main help channel for the program, where students and instructors come from time to time in search of live help.

Wikipedia Ambassadors are expected to follow the Wikipedia Ambassadors Principles. Please review them.

Communication channels

There are three main places for news, updates and discussion about Wikipedia Ambassadors and the Global Education Program:

1. Wikipedia talk:Ambassadors
2. The Ambassador Program announcements list, which all ambassadors should join. It is a low-traffic email list that is only used for significant announcement that are relevant to the whole program. Please sign up as soon as you get a chance.
3. The Wikipedia Ambassadors Google Group, a discussion list shared by Online Ambassadors and Campus Ambassadors. It's not required, but it's strong recommended and most of the ambassadors are on it. Request to join the Wikipedia Ambassadors Google Group if you would like access.

Newsletters about the program, or messages for Online Ambassadors particularly, may be delivered to your talk page on occasion.

Thanks for volunteering as a Wikipedia Ambassador! If you have any questions, please let me know.

--Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 12:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Case update

Dear Steven Crossin: Hello, this is to let you know that a Mediation Cabal case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/08 November 2011/Iraqi Turkmens

is currently inactive as it has not been edited in at least a week. If the issues in the case have been resolved, please let us know on our talk page so we can close the case. If there are still issues that need to be addressed, let us know. If your mediator has become inactive, also let us know. The case will be closed in one month if it remains inactive. You can let us know what's going on by sending a message through to your mediator, ItsZippy, on their talk page. Thanks! MedcabBot (talk) 13:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

MedCAb

Hi Steven, I was wondering if you could give me some advise. The MedCab case I am mediating is not going anywhere because the other editor involved has not made any comments. I've sent him a reminder, to no avail. Would it be best to close the case? If so, where shall I direct the dispute? ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 19:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd just close out the case. The other editor hasn't been active for almost two weeks. No point referring it elsewhere. If they return to editing. The case can always be reopened. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

You closed the dispute I raised on Billy Fox, and I hadn't realised. So just to say here thanks for your assistance. The result isn't everything I'd want, but the other editors haven't reverted it and I think your help contributed to a compromise. Thanks. --Flexdream (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Heh, I hardly did anything, but you of course are welcome. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Holodomor mediation again

Hello! Note this my proposal please. In thhe past there was a time when I hoped this mediation wouldn't proceed too fast, but now it is clear we should speed the things up. GreyHood ^Talk 13:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: William S Dalton

While he is the CEO of an NCI Cancer Center in Florida (his principal accomplishment), he is relatively unknown outside of his institution and internationally, and there are at least 66 NCI Cancer Centers in the US. He has received a few national accolades, but so have many others. Others equally well known such as Michael Caligiuri, CEO at OSU cancer center, David Alberts Director of the Arizona Cancer Center, are not listed. It is my opinion, he does not deserve an encyclopedia entry and that this only serves personal aggrandizement. This inclusion sets a bad precedent for personal promotion.72.243.181.110 (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	This is for all of your vandalism reverts. You've beaten me to vandalism at least 3 times. Keep up the good work and happy editing! -- Luke (Talk) 20:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hehe, I've still got it. Thanks :)　Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandal

Let the vandal be. I have already reported him. | ^help_dןǝɥ | 21:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Reply

Who made you the be all and end all owner of that article show why it needs an article and why the article being in the list of characters is not enough.--95.147.55.213 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I do not appreciate your tone. There are references available to assert notability of this character. Wikipedia is an expansive encyclopedia, and if an article can assert notability, then it should have an article. As you requested, I will add references to the article today asserting importance, but please do not re-merge the article while I am doing so. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 23:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Well done for taking ownership by reverting a long standing removal of a nonsence page. All the info you could ever need in one paragraph the page is wholly not needed. This character is so in-universe it is painful.

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion closed

An arbitration case regarding all articles related to the subject of Abortion has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

• All articles related to the subject of Abortion:

1. shall be semi-protected until November 28, 2014;
2. shall not be moved absent a demonstrable community consensus;
3. are authorized to be placed on Standard discretionary sanctions;

In addition:

1. Editors are reminded to remain neutral while editing;
2. Structured discussion is to take place on names of articles currently located at Opposition to the legalization of abortion and Support for the legalization of abortion, with a binding vote taken one month after the opening of the discussion;
3. User:Orangemarlin is instructed to contact the Arbitration Committee before returning to edit affected articles;
4. User:Michael C Price, User:Anythingyouwant, User:Haymaker, User:Geremia, User:DMSBel are all indefinitely topic-banned; User:Michael C Price and User:Haymaker may appeal their topic bans in one year;
5. User:Gandydancer and User:NYyankees51 are reminded to maintain tones appropriate for collaboration in a sensitive topic area.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 04:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Decent result. Good-o. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 04:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Dilmaghani

Hi, thanks so much for helping to clean up this page. One question I have is about this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mehdi_Dilmaghani_%26_Co._Inc_Cyrus_Crown.jpg Was this removal accidentally part of the auto edit? Thanks so much steve

--Vintageliter (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes, that was indeed a mistake. I have added back the image. Thanks for pointing this out to me. Happy editing. :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 22:27, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Knock on wood, indeed...

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MedcabBot invites

Hi Steve, I think I've found a loophole in the MedcabBot invitation system. Posse72 commented on a mediation page and then got invited to participate by MedcabBot, even though they weren't mentioned by any of the other participants. The bot probably shouldn't work like that... maybe checking to see if the user had made any edits to the mediation page before sending them an invite would be an easy way to fix it? — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Having a look at the edit, it looks like the user added themselves to the mediation. It is rather odd for the bot to invite the user to a mediation when they added themselves, but bots aren't smart like us. I'll poke Anomie and see if this can be tweaked at all. Cheers, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 02:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Consensus

Hello. Please visit this section of the Ra.One talk page, and provide a consensus so as to decide the future of my proposition. I will be glad if you also mention some comments regarding how to approach this (undoubtedly) longer and more detailed review. Thank you. AnkitBhatt^WDF AnkitBhatt^WDF 16:52, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. I'd love to provide a review of the article, but fear I am unqualified to do so. Articles aren't really my forte, but I'm trying to address that at the moment. I know that SandyGeorgia is heavily involved in the FA process. Perhaps ask her? Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 02:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Fitzgibbon

Orlady (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC) 08:03, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Case update

Dear Steven Crossin: Hello, this is to let you know that a Mediation Cabal case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/02 October 2011/Holodomor

is currently inactive as it has not been edited in at least a week. If the issues in the case have been resolved, please let us know on our talk page so we can close the case. If there are still issues that need to be addressed, let us know. If your mediator has become inactive, also let us know. The case will be closed in one month if it remains inactive. You can let us know what's going on by sending a message through to your mediator, Steven Zhang, on their talk page. Thanks! MedcabBot (talk) 12:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ouch!

	I've alerted the experts
	They tell me it doesn't look lethal. But just in case, a crack team of lab-coated specialists is heading your way to make sure you get the best alcohol medical care in the world. Get better soon. Cloveapple (talk) 06:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thank you for your support at my recent successful RFA. Being now the new fellow in the fraternity of administrators, I will do my best to live up to the confidence shown in me by others, will move slowly and carefully when using the mop, will seek input from others before any action of which I might be unsure, and will try not to break anything beyond repair. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

24: Redemption

I have reviewed the article, please see the talk page for my comments. Malinaccier (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ta, will take a look on my break. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 04:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Landeryou at BLPN

I have posted the Andrew Landeryou issues on the BLP noticeboard. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion

Resolved by motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification that: The Abortion case is supplemented as follows:

Remedy 1 of Abortion is amended to the following:

• Any uninvolved administrator may semi-protect articles relating to Abortion and their corresponding talk pages, at his or her discretion, for a period of up to three years from 7 December 2011. Pages semi-protected under this provision are to be logged.

For the Arbitration Committee, Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 12:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Discuss this

24 DVD covers

Hey, I just noticed all the covers for the 24 DVD images have been changed, with the previous versions being deleted. Now don't take any offense to this, but why did you change them? Since 24 is an American show, it's most logical and best practice to use region 1 covers (they also don't feature all those ugly logos on them). The color scheme for the infobox and episode list are also derived from the region 1 covers. I understand the region 4 covers do feature other cast members besides Bauer, but there is already cast images present in the article to display that season's cast. I was wondering if this could be switched back? Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 01:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• Hey there. I uploaded over the other versions of the DVD covers for a few reasons, the other images were too large and looked a bit odd (they seemed three-dimensional) and not flat. I agree with you about the logos though, so perhaps we could use the DVD covers from Region 2 instead (same image but without the massive classification logo)? They're shown here. We can always update the infoboxes. I was actually thinking about rewriting the season articles at some point either way. I have to say that stuff like this is way too long. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 02:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm still in favor of using the region 1 covers (for the reasons I listed above and that's what was originally there). I can't remember how large they were, but they should be 250px in the infobox, as currently they're like 192px which is too small. If you don't object, I'd like to upload the region 1 covers. I'll have them be 250px and will use flat images. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hm, I am afraid I'm going to have to disagree here. It's true that it's an American TV show, yes, but it is distributed worldwide, and if possible our articles should demonstrate that. Region 1 (which has the cover art you suggest) is USA and Canada only, where regions 2 and 4 (which have the alternative cover art I suggested encompasses (from the DVD region article) Europe (except Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus), Middle East, Egypt, Japan, South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, Greenland, French Overseas departments and territories for region 2, and Mexico, South America, Central America, Caribbean, New Zealand, Australia, Papua New Guinea and most of Oceania for region 4. I also note that originally, the articles had no DVD covers at all, instead the cast photo was used in the info box. We have a few options here. A composite image in the info box (displaying the two alternate covers side by side) won't work with our non-free content policies, so that's out. I noticed the season articles for the TV series House uses alternate region covers (season 1 uses region 2, season 2 uses region 4, season 3 uses region 1 etc) but that's a bit inconsistent. We could also use a screenshot from a major event or plot within the season, and use that in the info box, or we could try and locate a promotional poster for each season and use that in the info box, or we could revert back to the cast photo in the info box (which represents the season much better than a DVD cover anyways. As for the resolution of the pictures, we've been standardizing portrait images to 200px for a while (see the info boxes of Allison Taylor, Jack Bauer and Bill Buchanan as a few examples) so we could always bump the resolution up to 200px. If we revert back to the cast image, 300px was the norm, so we could always do that instead. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Then I guess I'm in favor in reinstating the cast images. The cast images were actually used in those articles for as long as I can remember until just a few months ago. Agree on using the cast images for infobox instead? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep, that sounds good to me. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 23:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Any chance you would be opposed to using this image instead as the promo poster for the season 7 article? It was main promo poster for that season (used in both region DVD covers), and well, looks better. Opinion? Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, not to be anal, but "better" is of course subjective. Indeed, I picked the alternative poster because I thought it looked better, with the reflecting image of the Washington Monument and all. He's also in the attire that he appeared in for quite a few promo images (such as the one in the Jack Bauer infobox). I suppose my answer is, not opposed, but I prefer this image. Which I realise is not much of an answer, but it's the best I can do in my caffeine deprived state :) Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 20:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, no big deal, was just wondering. It can be left as is. Season articles do look nice though with those posters. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah they do. They'd look a lot better with a [{WP:FL|little golden star]] in the top right corner :). I feel it's a shame something like an infobox image kicked up such a storm, that time could've been used actually improving the article itself. Well, what can we do. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 23:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

24 Redemption poster

Hello again, I found a source for the film poster: http://www.impawards.com/tv/twenty_four_redemption.html. In the film project, we try to use the original poster as they showcase how a film was promoted on it's release opposed to later on it's career. Using a film poster also eliminates arguments over which Region DVD cover should be used as this poster focuses on the original release date. As for that website you gave me with genres, it also refers to "TV Series" as a genre so I wouldn't call it appropriate. Rotten Tomatoes also calls some films as "Foreign" as a genre which is inappropriate as well. Can we keep it action for now? Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• Hmm, I personally tend to favour DVD covers, but I see the guideline does recommend film posters instead. As for the genre, it doesn't bother me that much. Action fits well, and while I feel major aspects of the film qualify as drama as well and aren't really covered by the Action genre, am happy to concede on that. The film poster should be below 250 x 375 px though. I'll poke an admin to get the details sorted out. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 04:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Plant sources

Steven,

Happened to see your query on Casliber's talk page and thought I'd let you know about the Biodiversity Heritage Library and Botanicus. Both have full text of a number of botanical journals. They have a taxonomic search function, so it can be a great way to find a journal article with a description of a particular species and get a short article started. Choess (talk) 06:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey there. Thanks for those links, most appreciated :) Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Non free reduce

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For your troubles. Thanks again! Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 21:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 06:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

MisMove

Steven, can you either undo this move, or else tell me how to get it undone? I had good reasons for it, but now I realize it wasn't the right way to address a problem that was bugging me. I thought about just moving it again myself, but I'm worried I'll screw something up. HuskyHuskie (talk) 05:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done. As requested I've reverted the move. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 06:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks. Your help is always appreciated. (Have you ever considered standing for the mop?) HuskyHuskie (talk) 00:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol, You are very funny. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 00:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Mentorship

GoodDay is asking abour mentorship. He or she posted this on your user page and probably meant it to go on your talk page. Cloveapple (talk) 07:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't notice it. I've posted it here. Cheers, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 07:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Mentorship info

Howdy Steve. It's been suggested at my Rfc/U, that I could use a mentor, around British & Irish political articles. How does one go about acquiring one? GoodDay (talk) 02:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, well one would generally approach a user who they wish to be their mentor and ask them directly. It's only generally in cases where ArbCom imposes mentors on users that the mentoree has no real say in who their mentors is. I have a program that I use to teach users the ropes on Wikipedia, so I'm not sure if this will be of any help to you, but let me know either way. I'm reasonably free at the moment. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 07:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Howabout you? as a mentor? GoodDay (talk) 07:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm....in theory I could. I'm not overly familiar with you at all, the areas you edit or the concerns that were raised at the RFC/U. I think the first thing I need to know is how you think mentorship will help you, that it's something you'd take seriously and be willing to have conditions imposed, if necessary. While I haven't read over the RFC carefully yet, I do note that many were in favour of a mentorship option, but others advocated blocking or outright topic bans. It'd be helpful if you could provide me a brief summary of the issues that got you to this point, as well as what you plan to do in future to prevent these issues from happening again. That's the main purpose of mentorship, guiding you along and ultimately keeping you out of trouble, but you need to help yourself at the same time. If you could answer these few questions while I read over the RFC that would be good. Cheers, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 08:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I basically need help in formulating my concerns on those articles, whenever such concerns come up. My past presentations have met with 'negative' responses. GoodDay (talk) 08:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A mentor can't really help you formulate your arguments for you. They can, however, better help you understand policy so you are able to make proper, reasonable comments that are within policy. I am hoping you can answer the rest of my questions, however. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 08:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

My major 'shortcoming' is that I've no empathy for the political sensivities of British & Irish editors, at those articles. I have (since Nov 21, 2011) been practicing restraint, by keeping myself out of the current varies squabbles on those articles (an example: Wales). -- GoodDay (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I can see from the RFC you have had some issues with these articles. What I'm not really seeing is an understanding for the need to change. Mentorship should not be taken lightly, it's generally a lesser sanction as opposed to say, an outright topic ban or blocking. What I want to know is how you think I can help you? Do you want me to guide you through policy, do you want to use me as a sounding board before you engage in discussions or is it something else. I cannot help you change the minds of others, that is what discussion is for. But I can help guide you where possible. I noticed on your RFC you stated you didn't want your mentor to tell you not to contribute to these articles. While I agree in the long term, I think that taking a break for a little while (say a month) may help us turn things around. Tempers are still hot, and while it's not just you in the wrong, often taking the high road is best. We will spend that month working on other things. If that doesn't work for you, then I'm afraid I can't really help much. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 22:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Taking a month off, is reasonable. I would like to use ya as a sounding board. If I have any future concerns about those articles, I'd like to get your opinon on how to approach those articles with those concerns. Guide me on how to post those concerns in a way that won't get heated responses. GoodDay (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty, sounds good. Take a look at this page, and let me know if anything there you think you could learn something from. Steve Public (talk) 22:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll look through it. GoodDay (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

TBH, there's nothing there, that applies to me. GoodDay (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

No matter. I'm sure we can come up with something to help show that you can change, and give you ways to express your views on these articles without creating conflict. It's not that hard. I've been doing it for years. Let's see what DBD says and go from there. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 22:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to accpet 2 mentors (if that's aloud). GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi both – I happy to mentor alone, in tandem, or not at all. The choice is GD's ✝DBD 23:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

We're from different areas of the world, and have different areas of expertise. I think us working in tandem would be beneficial. If you're happy, I'll write up something and post it at the RFC to be ratified by those who are commenting there, and then we can work on other issues. But let's get the RFC settled first, shall we? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 23:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems we 3 are agreed. I'd appreciate if you could write up as you suggest. I agree we should get the RFC settled. ✝DBD 23:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Steven Crossin. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television.
Message added 11:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

This discussion concerns the DVD covers that were added to the 24 season articles in August AussieLegend (talk) 11:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Replied there, and will continue to participate in the discussion. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Latest mentorship candidate

Can you please both have a word with him re: this. Thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

All sorted out now. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Zoophilia again

User:Someone963852 is continuing to revert my edits and the edits of another user. Since the WP:DRN didn't help at all, I am requesting that you look into this matter again. Plateau99 (talk) 23:57, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The comments that I made at DRN stand, the article title is Zoophillia, so changing every reference to Zoophilia to Zoosexuality is inappropriate. If the issue is still persisting, let me know (as I've been inactive fot a few days. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

MedCab

Do you mind helpign me mediate the case of Omnedon and Nyttend which I referred to the MedCabal - I had a look at the Wikiquette dispute, but there wre content issues mixed in with the conduct issues. I separated the content issues from the conduct issues, and the referral only focusses on the content issues.

Here's a heads-up on the case: [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehistorian10 (talk • contribs)

Sorry about the delay in my reply, been rather busy. I see in the meantime another mediator has signed on to help you out, so all seems good. Poke me if things get stuck, but I've got the case on my watchlist. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh bugger, that was a different case entirely!!!! Do you mind restoring the case to its original state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehistorian10 (talk • contribs)

Hmm, I do hope you will re-add the comment I left. There was no text alteration apart from my comment in this edit by me, so I hope you will undo your edit. I'd also encourage you to read our recommendations for mediators, as well as what MedCab is not for. I've poked your co-mediator to help you get this case back on track. Don't be discouraged. Mediation is tough and can take years to become skilled in. Let your co-mediator guide you and you will learn a lot. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 21:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

CUendorse -> endorse ?

Hi, I suppose this edit should be "endorse" (like here) instead of "CUendorse", shouldn't it? Now it appears "status unknown"... Thanks, Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 22:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you're correct of course. Bit of a brain fart on my part. Thanks for picking that up. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 22:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad images arbitration case

An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images/Evidence. Please add your evidence by October 7, 2011, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yay!

We needed that. Poor Sko had to run double duty on the Arb report and ITN sections ;) ResMar 05:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't hold your hopes too high :-) I'm kinda in the deep end here, so it will probably be a pretty shabby first report, but I'll do my best. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 05:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Steven Crossin. You have new messages at TransporterMan's talk page.
Message added 22:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

TransporterMan (TALK) 22:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Tis the season...

		Happy holidays.
		Best wishes for joy and happiness. Guerillero | My Talk 23:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

arb report

Nice work indeed. Some people are wondering what the h... this Privy Council thing is and hoping it will be quietly dropped as a slow-motion car accident in the making.  :-) Tony (talk) 08:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I can see from your copy-editing that I am still very rough around the edges, but I am still pleased thatI didn't make a complete idiot of myself. Gave up on those line graphs Jorgenev made, so I just went for pie charts. After all, everyone loves pie. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 08:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Merry Christmas!
	Best wishes, Fleet Command (talk) 18:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

National emblem

Myself & Daicaregos are continuing are disagreement on that article. I may need your monitoring of my conduct, there. GoodDay (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it might be wise to take a break from editing in the same area as Daicaregos for a while. A self-imposed interaction ban, so to speak. I think it might be for the best for the time being. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 23:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Sound advice. Best, he & I continue to avoid each other. GoodDay (talk) 03:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Mandy

Hmm, yes, it's all blank now! :) What are your thoughts? Penny Lane's America (talk) 05:08, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good-o. Just wanted to have a bit of a chat (as I wasn't sure if you were noticing the new messages notice (When someone edits your talk page). I see you are interested in 24 (as am I) and you seem rather well-versed in the style of Wikipedia. Have you edited here before? I may be able to show you a few things on how WP works. There were a few issues I wanted to bring up but I wasn't sure if you were getting the notices. Free for a chat? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 05:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, absolutely. Penny Lane's America (talk) 05:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Good-o. Maybe you could tell me a little bit about yourself (a little about your background, your interests, what led you to start editing Wikipedia) and I can show you a few basic things? Probably one of the biggest is the use of edit summaries. I've provided a short description here, but basically for every edit you make, provide a brief description of what you did in the edit. For example, I put "reply" each time I reply to a talk page message. Just a little tip. But tell me a bit about yourself and what you plan to do here, and I'll tell you about myself. It also might come in handy to add this page to your watchlist, which allows you to keep an eye on a variety of Wikipedia pages. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 05:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry about the edit summary, I was trying to get the critical reaction sections up quick so as to not leave the pages incomplete for too long, and I made a few oversights. My bad. Thanks, though. I'm a fiction writer and pretty big fan of 24 with computer experience, so I decided to help out with the pages for fun and to help the show out. Penny Lane's America (talk) 05:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

A big fan, eh? I somewhat doubt you're a bigger fan than me :p. Are you very familiar with Wikipedia? I'm sure I could show you a thing or two, but it all depends on your purpose here :-) Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 05:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm somewhat familiar, but I'm no expert. I pick up pretty easily, though.Penny Lane's America (talk) 06:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hm...perhaps a few things to get you started. Martha Logan is what we call a good article, which means its basically well written and has been reviewed, but is not as good as a featured article. I suppose that shows the balance between plot and real world info that we look for in articles. I noticed with references you were adding, they were generally URLs only, so I've got a script that will should help you with adding references. Go to this page and add this line of code to it: importScript('User:Steven Zhang/reftools.js');, then clear your cache. When you have done that, you should see a new button in the edit toolbar (curly brackets). It is a way to add references that are better formatted. Give it a go? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 06:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DanBarnesDavies

As one of GoodDays mentors I would like to inform you that I have reservations about the suitability of his other mentor DanBarnesDavies. I have left him a message on his talk page and would appreciate it if you could take a look at it. [4]. Thanks. Carson101 (talk) 16:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)