Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports

Airport Code Discrepancy

I've just visited the Barrow Island Airport page and noticed a small mistake there which has then led me through a few other pages as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow_Island_Airport

• For some reason at the top of the page Barrow airport is listed as (ICAO: YLLE) but on the right side it's listed as (ICAO: YBMX)
• Also there is no IATA code listed on the airport page but there is one mentioned on the Barrow Island page (IATA BWB) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow_Island_%28Western_Australia%29
• Finally Barrow Island airport isn't listed on the page "List of airports by ICAO code Y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_Y#Y_-_Australia

• It is however listed on the "List of airports by IATA code B" page. Along with the ICAO code YMBX

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_IATA_code:_B

I didn't want to just go and edit the pages myself so I hope I've done the right thing by posting this here. --Nathaniel73 (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathaniel73 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC) 

The IATA code is also missing from the "List of airports in Western Australia" page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Western_Australia ----NathanielOffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathaniel73 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The ICAO code error was my fault and I can't even try and blame anyone else. I was creating airports by copying from one article to another and when getting this from Ballera Airport I must of forgot to change the code. If you see any more please change them or let me know. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries mate it's easy to do when your doing repetitive tasks like that. Thanks for sorting it out. I went in and added the IATA code to the infobox as well. --Nathaniel73 (talk) 18:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Yellowknife Airport and Buffalo Air

Would like some more opinions at Talk:Buffalo Airways#Accident and incidents. It affects both articles. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles Moved

Can please someone have a look at these "moves of articles"? done by an user that has already caused enough disruption on the "Italian Wiki". The same user has been warned (several times) and blocked on the Wiki.it and now has moved over to the Wiki.en. Before the mess goes out of hands can someone intervene? Many Thanks--Sal73x (talk) 02:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I think some of those new names clearly fail WP:COMMONNAME. They should be moved back. bobrayner (talk) 11:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, this is just a single example. The official name for Milan Bergamo that appears in the front page of their website is Orio al Serio International Airport (see the bottom of the frontpage) and not the current name. Someone please stop this. I've already warned the user regarding other issues with both airline and airport articles.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I moved the pages as indicated on the official site. I think for Milan-Bergamo it's correct "Orio al Serio International Airport" too, but on the airport terminal is shown "Il Caravaggio International Airport" (see photo). --Wind of freedom (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Airport-des-list: city and airport

Hello everyone, I wanted to propose to change some city-airport's name on destinations list destinations shown airports page.

Current name	Proposed name	Notes
Houston-Intercontinental	Houston-George Bush	"Houston George Bush", in my opinion, it is more clear than "Houston Intercontinental" because it shows what is the airport, not the pattern. Some might with "Houston", believing that it is what the Intercontinental.
Johannesburg	Johannesburg-OR Tambo	A lot of times OR Tambo International Airport is simply called "Johannesburg". Many people do not know that the South African city has two airports and put only "Johannesburg" IMHO is very ambiguous.
Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion	Tel Aviv	Tel Aviv has only one airport, why it indicate with the name too? We show only the city, as we doing with other cities. ("Ben Gurion International Airport" is incorrect, because the airport name is "Ben Gurion Airport". It shown on its website)
Bucharest-Henri Coandă	Bucharest	After the closure of Aurel Vlaicu International Airport, Henri Coandă remained the only Bucharest's airport. Why continue to show as Bucharest has got two airports?
Jakarta-Soekarno-Hatta	Jakarta	Jakarta has got one airport: Soekarno–Hatta

What do you think? --Wind of freedom (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Jakarta's Halim Airport has passenger service as well. 166.205.55.44 (talk) 00:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, thank you. I will create a note in Soekarno-Hatta page, because if you searh "Jakarta Airport" on Wikipedia the system redirect to Soekarno-Hatta page.--Wind of freedom (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, Tel Aviv's Sde Dov Airport has domestic passenger service as well. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! What do you think for other proposed name? --Wind of freedom (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Another user has commented on Houston and Johannesburg at the discussion you have started at WP:AIRLINES. Snoozlepet (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Aren't we supposed to (or shouldn't we) use the actual name of the airport after the hyphen? Can someone cite the relevant standard (if there is one)? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:57, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Some airports use the actual name after but most of them uses their commonly known name (i.e. Houston-Intercontinental for George Bush Intercontinental, New York-JFK for John F. Kennedy International Airport). See WP:COMMONNAME. Snoozlepet (talk) 19:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree to JFK, which is shorter, but "Intercontinental" for George Bush, it is wrong. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and must respect the official names IMHO. --Wind of freedom (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

However, all agreed to change in lists "Johannesburg" to "Johannesburg-OR Tambo", right? --Wind of freedom (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

as another editor mentioned at the discussion at wp:airlines regarding iah, if you go to the Houston Airport Systems official website, iah is referred to it as intercontinental. 166.205.55.32 (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Regarding bullet point number 13 in the project guideline body section

I think the statement in point 13 in the body section Do not seperate domestic (national) and international destinations should be rephrased as Do not seperate domestic (national) and international destinations unless they operate out of seperate terminals (or if anyone can find a better word to say "seperate terminals". A lot of articles have an airline's domestic and international destinations seperated because they operate from different terminals (hence most airports have its own "international" terminal/concourse that it is exclusively for international flights. Any suggestions? Snoozlepet (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

If we understand that terminals are a separation, then I don't see an issue. Locally we use to have a terminal that for the most part was only international, but that was replaced. Maybe 'international destinations should be listed by departure terminal and not separated in any other way'? Vegaswikian (talk) 02:01, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Strike the word "international". In San Diego, United Airlines departs from both Terminal 1 (pre-merger UA destinations) and Terminal 2 (pre-merger CO destinations). Then there's United Express, with Los Angeles flights departing from the Commuter Terminal and all other destinations from Terminal 1. These are all domestic flights. So something like 'destinations should be listed by departure terminal and not separated in any other way'. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 17:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

What about point 10?

And what about point 10? Few editors are following the golden rule relying upon the verifiability policy. This is alarming. Just an example here. Please take a look at WP:PROVEIT a well.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 02:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Please! You are being detrimental to the project. Many many many many new routes and terminations go without (so-called) "sources" (you deem valid). Best examples are US mainlines changing feeder routes from one regional carrier to another carrier--you are never going to see a press release unless there's some massive changes of routes. Please don't lead us to WP:IAR. With Matrix Airfare Search nowadays, it doesn't take a minute to proof most flights' existence. HkCaGu (talk) 05:24, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Look at rule 10 again. There's a difference between "must" (date) and "should" (source). It's there to differentiate between IP vandals and good faith editors and mature edits versus crystal ball/premature additions. These IP vandals don't even leave an edit summary making verification and maintenance overwhelmingly difficult. HkCaGu (talk) 05:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe if there's no source available the info does not warrant inclusion. I'm precisely against WP:IAR, not with it. I've seen nowhere that the addition of unsourced stuff is encouraged.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Why is stuff being added into articles if no source supports it? bobrayner (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

So do we have a "source" to support all current destinations not subject to Point 10 (future or terminating destinations)? Yes. Schedules and booking engines are de facto "sources". We do not "ref" everything for obvious reasons of practicality. We leave notes in edit histories. Lots of discussions over the years explain why things are requested or not required. And yet we're not fighting vandal IPs as much as burdening long-time project members. HkCaGu (talk) 02:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Being or not a long-time project member doesn't enable anyone to ignore one of the core policies. It's ok if you want to fight vandals, nobody is stopping you from that task. Just remember that editing Wikipedia is a voluntary process, but there are (a few) rules to follow, and WP:VERIFY is one of them. As per above, I'm not the only one that is interested in avoiding the continuous addition of unsourced stuff into airport and airline articles.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 02:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed: move pages

All these proposals are from airport's official website. IMHO its should be changed:

From (Actual)	To (Proposed)	Ref
Linate Airport	Milan Linate Airport	http://www.milanolinate.eu/en
Malpensa Airport	Milan Malpensa Airport	http://www.milanomalpensa1.eu/en
Turin Caselle Airport	Turin Airport	http://aeroportoditorino.it/en/hp_en.html
Genoa Cristoforo Colombo Airport	Genoa Airport	http://www.aeroportodigenova.it/
Florence Airport, Peretola	Florence Airport	http://www.aeroporto.firenze.it/en/
Fertilia Airport	Alghero Airport	http://www.aeroportodialghero.it/home_en.asp
Cagliari Elmas Airport	Cagliari Airport	http://www.sogaer.it/index.php/en/

I have a doubt about these, instead:

From (Actual)	To (Proposed)	Ref
Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport	Fiumicino – Leonardo da Vinci International Airport	http://www.adr.it/web/aeroporti-di-roma-en-/pax-fco-fiumicino
Rome Ciampino Airport	Ciampino – G. B. Pastine International Airport	http://www.adr.it/web/aeroporti-di-roma-en-/pax-cia-ciampino

What do you think about this? --Wind of freedom (talk) 00:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Colspan and sortable tables

Currently many lists of airports got several rows (with colspan) to separate airports either by type, by class, or by province/state (see the grey rows in List of airports in New Zealand, List of airports in Germany, List of airports in Japan, List of airports in France, e.g.). Should these rows be converted into a column, so that the lists are fully sortable with the information provided by the colspan rows available right next to each entry even after any of the sort buttons is pressed on? Examples of this include List of metro systems and List of airports in China. Both were recently converted. 116.48.86.50 (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I disagree and have reverted the change on the List of airports in China that you made without discussion. Adding the province/state column adds massive bloat without providing much benefit (the lists are already sorted by province/state by default). On large lists like List of airports in the United States, the state names would be repeated hundreds of times. -Zanhe (talk) 11:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

By doing so there's no way to find out which province do a city belong to immediately from the table, when the names of the cities or airports are sorted alphabetically. Repeating names of provinces and states may not be a good option. But that's the best/least worst option for the time being. 116.48.86.50 (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

There are at least two other options for large lists. One is at List of airports in Australia where each sub-division is in its own section. The second is List of airports in Canada which is nothing more than a template. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 12:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

(outdent)

It isn't possible to sort the entire list according to names of cities, airports or ICAO/IATA codes, since they aren't in the same wikitable. 116.48.86.50 (talk) 20:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why you need the table to be sortable, the find functions work well enough to find anything on the page. MilborneOne (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

In that case do we need sortable tables? 116.48.86.50 (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC)