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June 6

Referencing errors on Draft:Brendan Dassey

Reference help requested.

I am very new to WIkipedia and I am learning to do my citations correctly, I believe there is also an error already on the page as referenced by the bot, would appreciate any guidance.

Thanks, 00:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)Tracy Symonds-Keogh (talk)

Tracy Symonds-Keogh, in the lined near the top that starts with "Brendan had been a student...", you call for a reference by naming it but you don't actually define that reference name. You might want to check out WP:REFB. And though you didn't ask, you're going to want to move all the references that you've tacked on to the end of the article to the end of passages that they are being used to reference. That will keep you from having that long string of numbers at the end of the "The Making A Murderer Effect" section. Dismas|^(talk) 00:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Monash University

I have stuffed up 3 new citations: 112, 113 and 114. I do not know what went wrong. Please leave in quotes - I have now seen all of the refs on this page and most are in red!!!! I hope I did not do this to the page. Urgent fix up needed. ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 00:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Greetings, Srbernadette. It seems something weird was going on with the server's cache of some or all of the page. I was able to purge the cache and now everything seems to be back to normal. Thanks for calling attention to the issue! JPG-GR (talk) 00:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Not sure what JPG-GR did but there were two refs missing titles. I've fixed it here. Dismas|^(talk) 00:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

The behind-the-scenes code at Module:Citation/CS1 was broken for a few minutes, but it was quickly fixed. See Help talk:Citation Style 1#Citation template broken. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

John Reed (art patron)

Thanks for helping above. Please check (old) bibliography section on this page - citation is wrong. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 00:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

If you click on the word "Help" in the error, it goes to Help:CS1 errors#deprecated params which tells you exactly what to do: "To resolve this error, use |author1=, |author2=, etc., or use |last1=, |first1=, |last2=, |first2=, etc. to individually list all authors." Is there some reason you can't follow those instructions? Dismas|^(talk) 00:53, 6 June 20=16 (UTC)

2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup

Someone keeps vandalizing this page. I keep 'undoing' it but they always come back to undo my correction. It is an unregistered user with only an IP address. What would be my next step other than asking for help here?Juve2000 (talk) 01:28, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Conflict resolution and WP:RFPP. Dismas|^(talk) 01:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

The edits do appear to be vandalism as the IP is changing information in the same fields in a different way from visit to visit. The IP should have been warned on their TP after at most the first 2 or 3 of their edits. Then taken to WP:AIV. That's not an option at the moment as no warnings have been issued. Eagleash (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

They're Violating the MOS

Someone keeps rolling back my undo to their edits on Kirby: Planet Robobot. I've told the IP user that they are violating MOS:TMRULES, but they keep rolling back my edits. The IP users so far are Special:Contributions/73.114.26.55, Special:Contributions/76.119.224.157, and Special:Contributions/73.114.25.114. This is the third time they've undone my undo to their edit. According to Wikipedia's Geolocate feature, these IP addresses are most likely the exact same person. What should I do? -- Super3588 (talk) 02:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Have you requested semi-protection of the page? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:01, 6 June 2016 (UT

I hadn't thought about that as it's only one user, but I will now. Thank you. And, yes, I changed my username. -- Gestrid (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Rick Springfield

Please check - the above page - which I have not touched - is all over the place in the first section - vandalism maybe? Cheers Srbernadette (talk) 04:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed - the most recent edits misplaced a bracket. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Racism in South Korea

AmericanExpat (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

The above page is purely a personal opinion page. Compare to another "Racism" page such as the one for "Racism in France." The latte is completely factual citing historical incidents.

The "Racism in South Korea" page makes sweeping generalization then cites "newspaper articles" to support author drawn conclusions. Even so, many links do not even work. How can we know such a link/article really existed at some point?

Personal opinions are "cited" with personal blogs or thesis paper from a graduating college senior or an "automatic online submittal summary" to the US Education Department (anyone can submit an article to the US Education Department), i.e. not published articles. I put an actual published article as a rebuttal to an opinion. It was taken down.

And that's just from the introductory paragraph.

I requested to have the page removed. The request was removed.

Anyone can publish a Wiki page filled with his defamatory personal opinion and "cite" it with opinions from personal blogs, ghost articles, unpublished essays and so forth.

Are Wiki editors allowed to defame an entire country in such a manner without consequences? Does not Wikipedia consider potential lawsuits from defamed parties?

AmericanExpat, first, don't get involved in an edit war with Phoenix7777 which could lead to both of you being temporarily blocked. Try to reach consensus on the article talk page or Phoenix's talk page. If consensus can't be reached or editors won't talk, we can take it from there

The tone is unsettling, but it's been similar in tone for more than five years, and it is referenced. It could go to WP:AFD, but I strongly suspect that would fail, although the article might be cleaned up a bit

Threats of legal action result in an immediate block (I know you haven't made that threat), but anyway you can't defame a nation under US law, which is where our servers are based.

Perhaps others can see a way forward?

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

It was at AfD and was snow kept: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racism in South Korea. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

The user !voted delete at 16:36, 5 June 2016 (UTC) and the AfD was closed as SNOW keep at 07:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC). Then the user added a Proposed deletion at 09:15, 6 June 2016 (UTC). This is clearly a disruptive edit. Also what I added to the article was a source published by the Korea Herald. Removing the source is disruptive.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

What if the article has been inflammatory for five years or even ten years? Is it a factual and NEUTRAL page, as a reference page is supposed to be? Aside from the fact that the tone is more than unsettling, it cites personal blogs, unpublished college senior thesis and a random uncited one paragraph online submission to an education website. And as I stated, that's just in the introduction.

Do the above really count as "references"? Anybody on the web who can click "submit" or maintain a blog can be considered a legitimate reference?

I think the page could be acceptable if it stuck to actual historical events and cited those, per the "Racism in France" page. But it's pretty clear to me the tone of the page will not change and neither will the shoddy "attempts at citation."

I tried to clean up just the bad citations. But the counter editor will not allow it. So I do recommend that the article be submitted for AfD (again?) if it's the only way that the article can be edited to acceptable reference standards.

And am I to understand that an AfD can be approved or disapproved depending on the majority vote? So if someone writes a page refuting gravitational "theory" and cites personal blogs, a random senior thesis, etc., it can just stay if everyone who keeps tab on that page says it should stay?

It is a travesty that something so readily used and referenced as Wikipedia can thus be manipulated to vent personal grievances and further personal agendas.

But yes, I'd like to submit the page for AfD (again?). Please let me know if I need to take action to do so. And please let me know if it's just a matter of the relative number of Wikipedia users who vote "delete" that's considered for deletion.

Jim, I tried to post a message on your talk page to thank you and to alert you to my latest reply (not sure necessary) but couldn't figure out how. Sorry. And thanks. AmericanExpat (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

AmericanExpat, you can reply on my talk page. You can alternatively leave a message on this page, and I will know you have done so if you start it with my user name, User:Jimfbleak and sign it with four tildes ~~~~ when you post it (as I have done with yours. It looks as if there is a major clean-up there. FWIW, AFd isn't a majority vote, an admin will decide if there is a consensus, and may ignore "votes" is lacking reasons Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:06, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

At this point, when the previous AFD was submitted one week ago, submitting another AFD would probably be considered tendentious editing. If the article needs major rework, then it needs major rework, not deleting. The use of AFD to cause rework is deprecated, and repeated submission of failed AFDs is disruptive. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Jimfbleak - talk to me?, I still can't figure out how to leave a message on your talk page and the reply here to your name is a bit arduous because I can't figure out how to insert you instead of myself with the tildes. But no matter. I understand that the page might not be deleted. That's fine. But, yes, it needs a MAJOR clean up. I can start the major clean up myself as long as an admin can oversee the process so that other editors cannot undo the changes without legitimate reasons. So if there's a way to start that, we can avoid an AfD. Please let me know and thanks again.

One other thing, I propose that these pages not be named "Racism in XYZ" but "Racial Conflicts in XYZ." It is difficult to determine the motivation behind some of the conflicts listed on these "Racism" pages. For example, there was an attack on a group of Chinese students cited in the "Racism in France" page. While certainly, there was a racial element to the attack, we cannot know for certain that the attacks were racially motivated instead of gender opportunistic or simply random and drunken. And the "Racism in South Korea" page catalogs a bar owner's having hung a sign prohibiting Africans from entering the premises due to concerns over the Ebola virus. Again, we cannot know if it was racism or simply excessive caution over what was a dramatized threat portrayed in the media. Simply calling all of them "Racial Conflicts" would accurately and objectively describe the incidents. Please let me know. AmericanExpat (talk) 14:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

play hearts card game

I just want to be able to play your card game of hearts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.35.250 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 Dismas|^(talk) 13:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Submitting my page

Hi,

I would like to submit my page for review. Please can you inform me on how to do this?

Thanks, Rob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123oxborough (talk • contribs) 15:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Add at the top of your page: {{subst:submit}} – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have moved your draft from User:123oxborough‎ (where it was misplaced,as it was not a WP:user page) to User:123oxborough/Generator Hostels, and I have added a {{userspace draft}} template to allow you to submit it when it is ready. It is, of course, not ready to be submitted yet. I have put some useful links onto your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:16, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Writing a new article in another language than english

Hello, I'm writing an article in my native language (dutch) but I've noticed that when I take a look at the page information that article I'm writing is registered as english. I can't seem to change it to dutch even though every other setting is set to dutch. Is there any way I can change it to dutch, or does this happen automatically when the page is published?--Absintalsem (talk) 20:14, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Absintalsem the Dutch Wikipedia's help desk is at nl:Help:Helpdesk, I presume you are writing the article there because posting this question is the only thing your username has ever done on the English Wikipedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Absintalsem. Could you explain what you ean by "when I take a look at the page information that article I'm writing is registered as english"? I don't believe Wikipedia has "page information" which contains the language. Are you perhaps looking at a setting in your browser? --ColinFine (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

At the left of the webpage there is a column named "Tools", there is a link named "page information" which directs you to the basic information of the article you are trying to write or edit. It tells me: "Page content language English (en)", even though I've been writing everything in dutch on the dutch wikipedia (nl.wikipedia). I've been asking for help on the Dutch Wikipedia's helpdesk but they don't seem to know what I'm talking about and also suggested that the information I'm referring to is my browser information. They also told me that, although my question was written in dutch, the system(?) claims it's in english. So something somewhere must be wrong as this website keeps thinking I'm writing in english.--Absintalsem (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Absintalsem. I've learnt something about Wikipedia! I can't find anything about where that information comes from: m:Page information doesn't specifically mention it. --ColinFine (talk) 08:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I think you mean mw:Page information doesn't mention it. mw:Page content language does. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Does [1] mean the issue is resolved? If not then please post a link to the page where you see "Page content language English (en)". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Goodmorning, yes the issue ha been resolved. There was something in preferences set to English, changed it to dutch and now it works. Thanks for the help.--Absintalsem (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

June 7

Urgent issue with company story

I am a paid consultant to the company Conduit (company), and as such have a WP:COI and cannot make direct edits to this article. I just noticed two inflammatory and highly damaging sentences were added to the article without any citation. For a normal edit request, I would just wait for a "request edit" on a new Talk section to be answered, but the request edit queue has been running anywhere from 3 to 9 months. In cases where a company is facing substantial damage to its reputation from a change that violates WIkipedia policy, I believe WP: COI says that a request at the Help Desk may be made. I've detailed the request here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Conduit_%28company%29#Remove_false_assertions_without_attribution Thank you. BC1278 (talk) 00:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)BC1278

Resolved

 – Content removed... (and added)...

I removed the material. It is unsupported by references on either Conduit (company) and Conduit toolbar. -- The Voidwalker ^Discuss 00:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I have restored the material, adding references. Maproom (talk) 08:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

This page is protected from creation

Sir my page was deleted due to some copyright issue. following is the link of that page. Its an most important one. its says that This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it. Kindly create it for me i will not violate copyright rule. Will be thankful to you Link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaudhary_Mohsin_Hussain

Hello, Cmh.mohsin. Please read Your first article, and use the Articles for creation process to create a draft rather than trying to create the article in main space: when you send it for review, the reviewer who accepts it will arrange for it to be created in main space. However, if you are Chaudhary Mohsin Hussain (as seems likely from your username) please be aware that Wikipedia strongly discourages people from writing about themselves: see Autobiography for why. Finally, when you post on talk or discussion pages, please sign your contribution with four tildes (~~~~). --ColinFine (talk) 08:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I see that the deletions were not a copyright issue, as claimed, but rather that "Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject"
Please understand this is not Facebook - we only have articles on people who meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (people) - if you have not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are completely independent of you - such as articles in national or international magazines or newapapers, you would be wasting your time trying to write the article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Photos

hi I see u have very few photos of Swellendam old houses??? I have most of them. it's free Yes/No cheers Rupert — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.245.215.36 (talk) 08:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Rupert. Thank you for your offer. If you took the pictures yourself, and are willing to grant a free licence to use them, you are very welcome to upload them to Wikimedia Commons: just use the Upload wizard, and it will take you through the steps. If you did not take them, then we probably can't use them unless the pictures are old enough for copyright to have expired. --ColinFine (talk) 08:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. Before uploading, I will also suggest you give a quick look at Help:Uploading images and Help:Files#Uploading files. Quite informative. Thanks. Xender Lourdes (talk) 09:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Changing an image on Wikipedia

How do i change an image

In which article do you want to change an image? Where, at present, is the image you want to change it to? Maproom (talk) 12:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

URL enconding - archive.today/jt83s

My question regards the use of URL shorteners, since they are not allowed on Wikipedia according to this page. Despite this, they give us the "tip" of using URL encoding in order to avoid this problem, however I have no clue how to use it, and yes I have already red the all page 2-3 times. The url in question is already in the title.

Kind regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, MarioSoulTruthFan. I'm not sure what you mean. There are no dodgy characters in "archive.today/jt83s", so it doesn't need URL encoding. If I go to it, it redirects to archive.is/jt83s, which is an archive of http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/playlist/ : that last is what you should use. Or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to achieve? --ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have been more explicit here. I can't use the last one since it has regular updates and the song in question "Gorilla" is no longer there and the only place to be found is on that archive (I have searched on wayback machine and webcication, already). Nevertheless, I should use that first because it is an "unreliable source" and secondly since it is a a shortner. So is there any way of solving this problem? I tried to submit it to the white list but they don't accept shortners. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

This is not about shorteners, MarioSoulTruthFan. If you read this you'll see that archive.is specifically has been blacklisted, partly because of the way in which links were added, and partly because of concerns about the quality of the site (though not everybody agreed). This means, I think, that if that is the only place that a source can be found, then it cannot be added to Wikipedia. (Note that reliability always rests on the reputation of the source or publisher: if archive.is is not regarded as reliable, then nothing hosted on it can be regarded as reliable). URL encoding is not relevant: that is only relevant when a shortener is used because the URL has special chraracters. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Publishing a Draft

Hello,

I created a draft in my account. I am having difficulty moving the draft to a published page. How do I do this?

The title of the draft is Adia Kamaria.

Adia McKenzie

Adiamckenzie (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Assuming we're talking about Draft:Adia Kamaria, another editor has already reviewed it and given you feedback. In order to make this an actual article, you'll need to find reliable sources that talk about the subject, and are independent of their work. You have some references, but it looks like most or all of them are written by the subject - so that's not going to work, unfortunately. Once you've added independent sources, you can click the "Resubmit" link in the box at the top of the draft and someone will have another look. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Moreover, most of Draft:Adia Kamaria was a direct copy of this page. Wikipedia takes copyright violation very seriously, and I have therefore deleted the copied text. Maproom (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on The Australian Ballet

Reference help requested. Apparently my edit caused a cite error on The Australian Ballet page, but I can't find the error. Sorry. Polecule (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2016 (UTC) Thanks, Polecule (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Polecule: Among the text you removed from the article was this: <ref name="Hook-2010"/>: this is a citation to a named reference defined elsewhere in the article. The warning was saying that there was now a named reference which was not used: you needed to remove the reference as well. Kind Tennis Fan has fixed it, in this edit. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

I'm not quite sure why the citings of '6' and '11' are in red. Please assist thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaredHaynie (talk • contribs) 16:59, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Article = Sparkadia. Please leave a link to whichever article you require help with. In this case it seems you have used a ref name but have not actually assigned that name to a reference. Thus. <ref name=XXX>source content</ref>. If you put that formatting at the first use of the ref then you need only write <ref name=XXX/> at subsequent uses. Eagleash (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

• JaredHaynie the problem was that you have invoked a reference but you have never defined it first. I have deleted both incorrect citations. You can reintroduce them later if you wish in the manner that Eagleash has defined. Ask again if you want help. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Xender Lourdes...seem to be following around in circles on this one! Eagleash (talk) 17:32, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

He he. I do that a lot when I am singing in my performances. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Images of old TV Guides

I am putting together an article for a local Chicago TV show host, Angel Casey. Her estate has pictures of media in which she was included, some of which may be seen here:

However, I don't know if it is acceptable to include these images in the wiki article. The publications are property of the Sun-Times and thus I can't add them to Wikimedia Commons. However I have not been able to find images of these TV Guide issues on the Sun-Times' official websites, so I cannot link directly there either.

References

My company firewall doesn't like that site. That said, magazine covers generally aren't able to be used in the article for the person on the cover. I went through a lot of this with trying to put Playboy covers in the articles for the centerfolds and other people that appeared on the cover. Basically, it doesn't fulfill the requirements of WP:FAIRUSE. Since TV Guide already has an image, which isn't even a cover either, I doubt that the covers can be used anywhere. Sorry. Dismas|^(talk) 18:28, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

How do I put categories at the top of the article?

When audting articles, it is a minor inconvenience to scroll to the bottom of the page to check on the categories assigned. Is there a way to to format the article so that the categories appear at the top of the article? I understand per WP:ORDER that the category markup must be placed toward the bottom of the article; I simply want to change the article's rendered appearance. Thanks in advance for your help, or a pointer to a better venue in which to ask this question. --Mark viking (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

There is no way to alter where categories are displayed to readers in articles (placing a category link anywhere else than the bottom will still result in the category being displayed below the article). You can, however, control how categories are displayed to you: Help:User style#Moving categories to top. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

 Done Brilliant, thank you! Yes, this is just for my personal use. --Mark viking (talk) 20:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Vandal?

There's someone editing pages relevant to Greek soccer with info about a Greek-Australian player with the name of Sakis Theodoropoulos. This player is fictional. The only thing I could find about him was a Facebook page of low outrach and obviously false claims. I removed his changes, also adding some of my own, and he went and buggered up the page again. I try to undo his edits, but Wiki won't let me... So is this guy a Vandal? And if he is, can an admin block him or something? Andreas George Skinner (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Can you give some links to the articles concerned so that editors can take a look. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

You should read Wikipedia:Vandalism to learn how to determine if someone is a vandal or not. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Andreas George Skinner (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Dismas has supplied a page already, thanks, Dismas! Also included was the Panionios page, which started me off, but I reverted it now, so it's OK. Andreas George Skinner (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Andreas George Skinner, this search should show you all the articles where the name is used. That might help your vandal fighting. Dismas|^(talk) 23:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! Andreas George Skinner (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Helen Clark

Reference help requested. A referencebot left me a message stating that my edit resulted in an error on the Helen Clark article. I am unsure what the error is and how to fix it. Thanks, Humongous125 (talk) 21:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

The ref. was missing the "url=" from the appropriate parameter. Eagleash (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

June 8

RE: home page suggestion

Hello,

I love your sight, and I probably visit it more than any other; well, Netflix and YouTube, also, but..... You know.

On your home page you should have an highlight option so that people can highlight and keep FOREVER things that mean something to them. I go to Ashford U online - at 50 - and they have it on all of their student manuals. It helps so much, and all you do is highlight the sentence, paragraph, page, whatever.. and as soon as you highlight it and let go of the mouse, and option pops up for save, highlight, etc.

You should have it. I know that I would like it on your sight by how much I use it.

So, just an FYI suggestion, thank you,

Jonny Black — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.33.126.23 (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Jonny, and thanks for your appreciation and your suggestion. Wikipedia is always open to suggestions, and the best place to make them is at the Village pump. I don't quite follow what you are suggesting, but I suspect that it is something that would have to be implemented by the people who make the software, rather than by the editors who look after the content and organisation of the encyclopaedia; but in any case, the Village Pump would be the place to engage those people's attention.

In the meantime, if you are talking about links to pages you want to remember, your browser will almost certainly allow you to bookmark them; or one of the things you can legitimately use your Wikipedia User page for is to keep a list of Wikipedia pages that you want to remember (though that would need you to edit your user page to put the links in, I know). --ColinFine (talk) 09:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts, Jonny. In addition to Colin's suggestions, if you register and log in with a free user account, you can also add it to your "watchlist" (something like a Wikipedia-specific bookmark list) by clicking the star icon at the top-right of each article. It's blue when it's in the list and white when it's not. To access your list, click the "My watchlist" link at the top-right of the article. For more info, see Special:Watchlist. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 12:37, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Ref: Tha Baha'i Community in Congo Brazzaville and Dr Shirley H Ganao — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.62.191.212 (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

This must be about Knights of Bahá'u'lláh. I have dealt with the red error message, by deleting an empty ref tag: <ref></ref>. There is still a sentence fragment there, "the Baha'i community in Congo-Brazzaville and Dr Shirley H Ganao", which should probably be deleted too. Maproom (talk) 14:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Please note, that the added content should be sourced by a published reliable source (a book, journal, newspaper, etc.) - maybe the stray sentence fragment was intended as reference, but it lacks verifiable publication details. See also WP:REFB for more information about Wikipedia's referencing syntax. GermanJoe (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Maproom is right: the "the Baha'i community in Congo-Brazzaville and Dr Shirley H Ganao" fragment should be removed, together with the whole List of the Knights of Bahá’u’lláh section (I give a section title only, because I don't know how to make a wikilink to the section with a ^[3] ref link in it). For further discussion please follow to Talk:Knights of Bahá'u'lláh#Not in Wikipedia. --CiaPan (talk) 15:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree. I have deleted the list of knights. Maproom (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Conversion to pdf fails

Hi there. I have a sandbox. I am so grateful to Wikipedia for providing such an opportunity. Anyhow my sandbox filled with a bunch of mathematical formulas and it keeps growing. A few months ago I converted the content to pdf and printed it. It was very nice. It worked well.

Now all my attempts to convert a somewhat larger file, perhaps 50% larger fail and I get an error message. Why? Can it be corrected?

Thanks, - --AboutFace 22 (talk) 19:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: You can use the printable version. Follow the link here, right click the page and select "Print". I'm not sure what is wrong with the PDF downloader, except that it hasn't had any maintenance since 2014, and nobody is looking into making it better. -- The Voidwalker ^Discuss 00:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

In addition to what Voidwalker has already said, I would add that many browsers nowadays have the ability to "Print to/ as PDF", which does basically the same thing that you're wanting, I believe. The PDF printing feature would most likely be listed where you choose a printer to use when you choose to print something. -- Gestrid (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Very short entry deleted immediately and I was then blocked for asking about it for a reason that seemed odd...

I'm the editor of an alternative newspaper who a couple months ago put in a two-sentence entry about it (roughly: "Icepeople is an alternative weekly English-language newspaper published in Longyearbyen, Norway. It was founded in 2008 and is a member of The Association of Alternative News Media"). I noted clearly in the talk page my status and anyone feeling it wasn't neutral should speak up. Hardly the stuff of absurd self-promotion or controversy - or so I thought. The page was deleted within minutes and I was blocked for asking what was improper about it, with acronyms having nothing to do with conflict of interest being cited.

OK, fine. I put the page up there because it's considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards (not unfairly, since it's in the same network as the Village Voice, etc.), not because I have wild fantasies about a couple of lines making me suddenly rich and famous. And it's like a wiki page is what my ego desperately craves to be fulfilled. But with a reality show coming out soon (named after the paper because their lawyers said they can) where my newspaper plays a key role I'm wondering if someone is willing to actually explain why what I tried to do above is so screwed up by your standards. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4641:12AE:0:C82A:C6E9:FF3:167E (talk) 19:31, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I take it you were User:Icepeople? If so, it was explained to you why you were blocked and why the article was deleted. You were blocked because for legal reasons to do with attribution, we don't allow usernames which represent organisations rather than individuals, as it would be impossible to determine which staff member was responsible for any given edit. The article was deleted because it didn't contain any reliable sources; Wikipedia isn't a directory, and we only cover material which has already been covered in other sources. Thus, if you want Wikipedia to host an article about you, you need to demonstrate that other media consider the newspaper significant. ‑ Iridescent 19:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

2001 Mark: if you still want to create an article on the newspaper Icepeople, it may be possible, using references like this to establish its notability. However Wikipedia policy advises strongly against writing an article on an subjected connected with the writer. You may also want to create an account which is specifically yours, and does not have a name suggesting that it is used by any kind of organisation. Maproom (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, I would suggest to anybody considering creating a new article that, unless they were confident that they could get the notability and references sorted out first time, they should use the Articles for creation process to create a draft in Draft: space. For somebody with a Conflict of interest I would urge that even more strongly. --ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

On articles that use shortened footnotes, is it possible to check if cited sources are never invoked?

So say there is an article that contains a bajillion {{sfn}} templates, and over the past couple of years, some editors may have removed sourced text from an article's body without also removing the {{citation}} templates, resulting in a cluttered "Bibliography" section where most texts are never even cited in the article. Is there any automated tool to correct this, or do I actually have to CTRL+F every single book to see if it still has at least one "[name] [year]" citation?

Yes there is: User:Ucucha/HarvErrors – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!--Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Adding Image to Existing Wikipedia Page

A year ago, I created a new Wikipedia page called, "Walter Griffin (poet)." A few minutes ago, I emailed an attached image to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with the appropriate template for having it accepted under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License process.

This is an image I want to add to the original Wikipeida page "Walter Griffin (poet)."

My question is: Should I wait to receive confirmation of this image being accepted by Wikipedia under the Creative Commons process before I try to add the image to the file page? Or can I go ahead and add it now? If I can add it already, where can I find information on how to do that. What I want to do is add it in a box on the top-right side of the file page with some basic bio info below the image--the way I see it commonly done on Wikipedia pages about individuals. Thanks for your help.

Mike Pulley Wpulley (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Walter Griffin (poet) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Just adding a convenience link. Dismas|^(talk) 20:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Mike: I think the usual procedure is to upload the image to Wikimedia Commons yourself, and email the permission to them. If you do that, they leave the image on Commons for a while (a week or two, I think?), and then accept it if they receive a valid permission and delete it otherwise. You can add the image to the article as soon as it exists on Commons. Maproom (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I see that you have already added it. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

User Subpages

Am I allowed to copy a live article into my namespace to test edits before making them go live on the main page? (The page I wanted to do this with is Liberty University, as it is in the middle of a major campus building project with new announcements every few months.) I've looked at WP:SUBPAGES, and I'm still not sure. If this is possible, what limitation (such as nowiki to be used with wikilinks) would I have to know about? -- Gestrid (talk) 22:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

You may do so, but you need to keep in mind three things:

1. When Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, you need to attribute content to its original contributors. Do this by including an edit summary like copied content from Liberty University; see that page's history for attribution when you save the copy.
2. Turn any categories into category links by adding a colon before "Category". Eg. [[Category:Evangelical universities and colleges]] into [[:Category:Evangelical universities and colleges]](Wikipedia:Drafts#Preparing drafts)
3. Remove or replace any non-free images. This article features one, the logo, File:Liberty University seal.png. (Wikipedia:User pages#Non-free images) – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Gestrid (talk) 23:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

June 9

Museum infobox questions

Resolved

 – Xender Lourdes (talk)

I have two questions about editing museum infoboxes.

1. At least a few museums list a CEO (as in Perot Museum of Nature and Science), and this is not present in the infobox template, so it is causing a warning message and the name of the CEO does not show up in the box. The template does include founder, director, president, chairperson, curator, architect, and historian but I'm not sure if any of these other titles mean quite the same thing as CEO. Suggestions?

2. If a museum has closed permanently, the Template:Infobox museum page says to use an 'end date' template, but I can't get that to work. If I just stick the end date template into the infobox template, I get a date with not text in front of it. If I add text, like 'dissolved', then nothing shows up. Can you direct me to a help page that describes how to do this? Thanks,Leschnei (talk) 02:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

• Leschnei I've added the CEO parameter in the said template. Tell me if it works now (purge the page before checking; it's a template, so won't show immediately unless you purge). For your second query, which museum are you talking about? If it's Museum of Contemporary Craft which closed down in February 2016 and which you edited soon before you came to this desk, then please check again; I've used the end date template and it works pretty well. Thanks. Xender Lourdes (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it was Museum of Contemporary Craft. I'll check out your edit so I'll know how to do it in the future. And thanks for adding CEO. Leschnei (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Change of language style on Royal Mail

Bonjour. The Oxford dictionary states that those words are spelled with a z rather than an s. On an encylcopaedia website, you should be using Oxford English as most other websites do. Even Encyclopaedia Britannica uses the correct spellings. 203.213.40.147 (talk) 06:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's kind of contentious. The relevant guideline would be WP:ENGVAR. Generally, we stick with whatever the first contributor uses. It's an imperfect system, but it helps to reduce the amount of time we waste arguing over trivialities, such as spelling. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

No, British English should be used, as it's a British organisation. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict):The spellings you refer to are not correct in UK English. As it is the Royal Mail (I.e. UK) the spellings are correct with the "s". Eagleash (talk) 06:47, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

See Oxford spelling. The "-ize" ending (unlike, say, "color") is not exclusively American. Tevildo (talk) 08:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

But -ise is an appropriate, and commonly used in British English, spelling. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Agreed '-ize' has virtually no uses (if any at all) in UK English. Eagleash (talk) 10:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Oxford English uses several forms which tend not to be used outside their own publications, such as -ize and the final comma in "cats, dogs, and rabbits". AE uses both of these, but that's not relevant here. Otherwise, BE normally uses -ise and no final comma in "cats, dogs and rabbits". WP:ENGVAR is your policy and should be adhered too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

About editing?

I made an article in the Sandbox and got a message from Wikipedia in Arabic (for some reason). Is the message you sent about my article? Or should I forget all about it? AntiocheneAntiochene (talk) 07:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

You made an article in your own sandbox, not in the sandbox. I doubt it was related to the message you received. In the last month or so, I also have started to receive messages from Wikipedias in languages I can't read and to which I have never contributed; I ignore them. Maproom (talk) 09:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antiochene: Your account is automatically created at a wiki run by the Wikimedia Foundation if you view a page while you are logged in at another wiki. Your account was created at the Arabic Wikipedia 3 June.[2] Some wikis post welcome messages to users who haven't edited there. That happened here: ar:User talk:Antiochene. Depending on your account settings you may get an email or notification if your user talk page is edited. Just ignore it if you don't contribute to the wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

(EC) @Antiochene: Your account has been registered not only in English, but also in Arabic, Danish and Turkish Wikipedias:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username=Antiochene

Possibly they send you automatic or semiautomatic welcome messages...? --CiaPan (talk) 09:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

New Users

So, I wanted to know if there is something like Special:NewPagesFeed but for the user creation log, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adotchar (talk • contribs) 09:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

@Adotchar: No there isn't. I don't know what such a feature would show beyond what is already at Special:Log/newusers. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Copy & paste

I am trying to paste text from my word document to my draft: AEDP... nothing happens when i click paste. This is has not happened before. Carrieruggieri (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Carrieruggieri, there's always a first time. This desk is for support with respect to aspects related to Wikipedia. You'll be better off showing your computing device to a software technician. Having said that, your device has most probably run out of memory and therefore it's not copying the text onto the clipboard. Switch your device (computer/laptop/...) off and switch it on again. Open the word document, and try copy-pasting again. If it works this time, good. If it doesn't, keep calm and get help from a software technician. Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing spaces after hyperlinks in Irkut MC-21 lede

Resolved

 – by Trappist the monk... Xender Lourdes (talk)

In the lead section (not subsequent sections) of the Irkut MC-21 article, hyperlinked text is joined to text following it on Windows Chrome, Firefox and IE. Copy-pasting the text gives

The Irkut MC-21is a twin-engineshort- to mid-range Russianjet airlinerwith a capacity of 150-212 passengers. The MC-21 is being developed and to be produced by Irkutand Yakovlev Design Bureauof the United Aircraft Corporation(UAC) group.[6]It was formerly known in English as MS-21; Russian: МС‑21 "Магистральный Самолёт 21 века" – "Magistralny Samolyot 21 veka" – "Airliner of the 21st Century". The design is based on the never-realized, twin-engine Yakovlev Yak-242 as a development of the three-engine Yakovlev Yak-42. According to a recent statement made by Russian deputy premier Dmitry Rogozin, the name of the MC-21 serial production aircraft will again be Yak-242.[7][8]Intended to replace the Tupolev Tu-154and older Tupolev Tu-204/214sin service,[9]the MC-21 certification and delivery was initially planned by 2016,[10]but later delayed to the end of 2018.[11][12]

The wikitext looks fine. Any ideas? To keep the discussion together, please reply on talk:Irkut MC-21. Thanks! cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 12:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Steve Pisanos

Passes away few days ago: http://www.onalert.gr/stories/o-iptamenos-ellinas-spyros-pissanos-petakse-gia-to-taksidi-dixws-epistrofh/50160?utm_source=newsit.gr&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=top5box

http://imodeler.com/2016/06/rip-spiros-steve-pisanos-1920-2016/

Please update the relevant article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.195.152.130 (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

• Do you have a reliable source confirming the same? Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:56, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

An admin closed my discussion prematurely

I posted in the ANI board because a user is harassing me, an admin closed the discussion claiming he would be a laughing stock. I would like the user to stop harassing and stalking me. Where can I post to resolve this dispute? Can I declare it unresolved? Kswikiaccount (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

An administrator did not close the discussion, and the Help Desk is not the venue for this kind of complaint.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

That's right, Bbb23, but the user above is asking what the right venue is (and Help Desk is exactly for inquiries like this). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Superficially, it may appear that way. In reality, they are complaining about the closure. The user was already in the right forum. They just don't like the result.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

See also WP:FORUMSHOP. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: please go away. As Finnusertop stated, I am "asking what the right venue is". Try to not assume incompetence and bad faith on a help page for newbies.

@PrimeHunter: I am not admin-shopping. Why are you posting on a help page if you're going to be condescending? Take after Finnusertop and change your disrespectful and offensive attitude please. Kswikiaccount (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Just for the record the discussion can be found here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

• Kswikiaccount, calm down. Admins like Bbb23 and PrimeHunter are not only some of the most experienced here, but have significant experience in their respective areas and are the most helpful to users where it is required. They are both spot on in what they have mentioned with respect to you. I can understand your issue with Guy. The way Guy writes is not the way I would write, and not the way I would recommend anyone to write to other editors. I agree with you on that part. But there's no harassment there. It's just the way some people write, and if you start taking issue with such statements, you would not be able to collaborate. Ignore the statements, focus on the content. And don't hit out at people who are attempting to guide you. Xender Lourdes (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
• Ok, how about the user above you, knowledgekid87. This dude is stalking me from page to page. Literally stalking me. Kswikiaccount (talk) 17:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding giving reference in Wikipedia article

Resolved

 – Xender Lourdes (talk)

I have recently wrote an article about - "Amartya Bhattacharyya". After saving the page , I noticed this warning message: "This article is about a living person and appears to have no references. All biographies of living people created after March 2010 must have at least one reference to a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article. If no reliable references are found and added within a seven-day grace period, this article may be deleted. ".

Though I have added 23 references. I am a beginner , So couldn't understand whats went wrong. What is the possible way to avoid the warning message ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka Ghosh Roy (talk • contribs) 16:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Resolved. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2016 (UTC)