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Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw^(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is cool

Parking the link: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/TED_conferences/TED_speakers_challenge/Participants#Prizes

Domestication of animals

Hello Montanabw, I trust you are across this one: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/frozen-scythian-stallions-unravel-mysteries-horse-domestication?utm_source=newsfromscience&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=horsemestication-4359 Regards, William Harris • talk • 21:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Curious to see the underlying study if anyone can find it. Many sources say that the Y-DNA of modern horses traces to either one or a very few stallions. Could be that there was more diversity back then but did not continue through to today -- be very curious to know further details, such as whether the animals were bred in captivity or captured, evidence of individual domestication (riding leaves some skeletal evidence) and so on. Very interesting and worth staying tuned. Ping me if you can find the study or the paper! Montanabw^(talk) 23:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Sadly, there is no paper, it was a presentation at a seminar (that usually means "pre-paper"!) https://latestnewsresource.com/en/news/breaking-news-zamorozhennye-skifskie-zherebtsy-raskryli-tajny-odomashnivanija-loshadi Regards, William Harris • talk • 11:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

What next

Hi again! As a newbie here, I'm still trying to figure things out and really appreciate the help. I hope you don't mind a few questions:

• if I've edited an article and want a second look, who should I ask. for example, I recently changed the Byerley Turk article because it was on the cleanup listing, but I'd like a second look because it is a High importance article
• when a big race day rolls around, like next week with the Belmont, is there a list or something to show who's going to handle what? I'm glad to pitch in, but I'm not sure where, so for now I'm just tidying up older articles as I see issues
• do I like bullet lists too much?

Thanks so much for your help! Jlvsclrk (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jlvsclrk, and great questions. First off, tidying up old articles is VERY MUCH needed! When you want to get other eyes, you can either post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse racing or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine and ask for help, or post on the article's talk page (to draw anyone else who has it watchlisted) or do what you did here -- ask a helpful wikipedian! You'll get to know folks here and figure out who the go-to people are for different things. For the upcoming 2016 Belmont Stakes, the article is slowly being worked on in dribs and drabs, and updates as the field develops are always good. Source as you go, that is way better than sourcing after the fact. Usually someone does do a "drive-by" and make it all come together with the charts and payouts, but sometimes the pre-race narrative and post-race analysis gets short shrift (look at examples from earlier years as examples, some really... suck) take a look at what was already done at 2016 Kentucky Derby and 2016 Preakness Stakes to see what the final, post-race product looks like. Also, as I have something like 200+ people watchlisting my talk page, posting here with an edit summary or section heading that indicates "help needed" may draw more folks than just me. Montanabw^(talk) 03:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi again! I'd noticed a while back that there was no wiki entry for the Grade 1 Belmont Oaks Invitational Stakes, and put it on my to-do list. Just found out that it used to be the Garden City Stakes/Handicap, so a move is needed, but I'm afraid to do it because there are redirects out there already and I'm not sure how that works. Can you clarify?? I'm planning to update the page tomorrow but no tearing rush. Reference" http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Stakes&stkid=1983 Thanks again! Jlvsclrk (talk) 06:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

10

Your proposal is a "10" alright. I had walked away from the whole thing in deep disgust last night. I'm beyond pleasantly surprised today to find intelligent, rational people are still willing to put time into this project. I can't thank you enough.

Getting the current science properly represented has been a Herculean task for the past 4 years; I am so happy you've come along and offered your expertise.

I added a proposal after many had already weighed in, and thought it might be wise to alert those folks to new additions and arguments. Still today, there haven't been many editors yet to ivote, so I think the idea of alerting those who have is a good one. People will appreciate it, I would imagine.

I saw a couple places I might suggest a slight change to wording, if you are open to that? petrarchan47คุก 18:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Can you post a diff to your proposal? That GMO RFC is a tl;dr and I sometimes have trouble finding new stuff in there. Montanabw^(talk) 19:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I mentioned the problems to Wordsmith here. The problem with an addition of OR to the stated goal of the RfC (detailed on Wordsmith's page) extends to your proposal. I see that you took cues perhaps from other proposals, however most of them are not in alignment with the stated goal. Admins may decide to change the RfC goal to match the majority of the already-submitted proposals, but I highly doubt it and hope that won't be the case. If not, I would suggest your proposal should address only the issues in the statement we are trying to replace. Make sense? petrarchan47คุก 21:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sabino TB?

Take a look at this little fellow. [1]. V. late foal but nicely-bred. I would name him Cubone.  Tigerboy1966  11:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He's a cute little thing; I once knew a horse named Shotgun who was marked similarly to him, although he wasn't a Thoroughbred. It's odd how you can breed two solid animals and get patterned offspring. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 18:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

We'd definitely say "Sabino horse" here in the USA, though folks who raise Icelandic horses, where this pattern shows up a fair bit, say it's splashed white -- but whateer genetic mechanism that exists in the Icelandics doesn't appear to be the same gene that we see in Paints. Montanabw^(talk) 19:12, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Cropout. First I've seen in a TB. They're talking about naming the foal after Bob Baffert. If he can't dazzle them with brilliance, he could always "Baffert them with BS". Anyway, I'm sitting here thanking my lucky stars I didn't do a Trifecta today. Runners came out of the woodwork. ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

For me, I got 25% of my ten-cent superfecta, LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 05:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

The foal's leg and belly markings are similar to Top Notch Tonto, a popular Listed/ G3 performer in England.[2]. And Ive checked the pedigrees without finding a link. Let's hope we see some more like this one, it would make the sport even more fun. Tigerboy1966  12:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Maybe someday we'll see pintos winning the big races, like Piebald from National Velvet. Actually, one of the grays in the Belmont yesterday (not Lani) had an odd white spot on his right hind leg, far above the hock. I wonder if he was born with it? It was a lot bigger than a dapple would be, and he didn't have others. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Uh oh. If it spreads to the point it becomes commonplace, we may need to rewrite the breed characteristics section for "Thoroughbred". Best to wait and see if any of the "whities" win notable races. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

See dominant white: There are multiple lines now in the TB world with white and spotting patterns. The most interesting is the Puchilingui bloodline [see here http://www.oakwoodfarmtb.com/Puchilingui.jpg ] and more here-- we used to call that "sabino" but the studies of the W allele suggest it is possibly responsible; what's even weirder is that some are probably embryonic lethals, but others may be completely harmless. Montanabw^(talk) 06:31, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd call him Dipped in Paint from his breeder's comment. Interesting that he says Bodemeister throws a lot of white. (I added a brief note on Bodemeister's page for the colt.) Jlvsclrk (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Officially "Southern Phantom" after a naming contest.[3] Tigerboy1966  20:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Sister article

As we have had a quick chat about before, the "Evolution of the horse" now has a sister article - the Evolution of the wolf. Regards, William Harris • talk • 11:36, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for J. Keith Desormeaux

On 11 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article J. Keith Desormeaux, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that J. Keith Desormeaux decided to become a horse trainer instead of a veterinarian? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/J. Keith Desormeaux. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, J. Keith Desormeaux), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Belmont Day

Hello, again Happy Belmont Day and best wishes to all!

With all the stakes on the undercard, I thought I'd focus on updating the respective wiki articles for these and leave the Big Race to all y'all. I'll also update Kent D's page, and will look to update the page of any relevant sire. Anything else?Jlvsclrk (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, watch for vandals. I had to put semi-protection on the Desormeaux articles due to odd vandalism... someone thought it was funny to change all the numbers around... 19:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Labor history of Butte

I notice that you reverted my edit to Butte, Montana, and, of course, you were perfectly right to do so. What I had meant to do, before I was called away by my wife in mid-edit, was to link to an article I just started: Butte, Montana labor riots of 1914. Because of your interest in the history of Butte, I would invite you to review the article and make appropriate edits. Thanks. Plazak (talk) 10:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Merge proposal Dosage and Thoroughbred Breeding Theories

A while back you proposed a merger of Dosage Index and Thoroughbred Breeding Theories. I worked on the latter a bit and added a section on Dosage with a link to the Dosage Index article. Similarly I added a quick section about Inbreeding versus Outcrosses, since I thought there was something specific to be said about inbreeding for thoroughbreds. (And more to follow if I can just track down the article I was reading last week.) LMK what you think. Jlvsclrk (talk) 07:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Jlvsclrk, I'll look and comment on the article talk pages as needed. You might also want to think about if we need to add (sourced) entries to Glossary of equestrian terms and/or Glossary of North American horse racing. Montanabw^(talk) 21:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Two things

1- What states, if any, besides California has the Breeders' Cup been raced in?
2- Are screen captures of videos allowed for photo files in biographies? I just did an article on Sandra Smith who is probably best remembered for the Star Trek episode Turnabout Intruder. There is what looks to be a screen capture in the Turnabout Intruder episode but I'd prefer a better one of Smith from that episode. In light of her ST work, I was surprised she didn't have a WP article. She did over two dozen guest appearances on television....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

WilliamJE, Screen captures can be used in the same manner as photos, depending on their copyright status (see California Chrome, where we have a screen capture of the Belmont start) , It's all about licensing. For your other questions, see Breeders' Cup#Race tracks, which, if accurate says, it's been in Kentucky, California, New Jersey (Monmouth Park), Canada (Woodbine, Toronto, Ontario), New York, Florida, Illinois (Arlington), and - believe it or not - Texas (Lone Star Park). Montanabw^(talk) 21:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Turnabout Intruder, the Star Trek episode Smith appeared in, has a screenshot[4]. It wouldn't really be good for Smith's article, though she is in it. You mean if I took a screenshot of Smith from the episode, I could post it? Thanks for the horse race help....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Probably not, as she is a still-living person, so "fair use" doesn't apply. You need an image that is under a free license. If she was deceased, you could do it with a fair use rationale, but she isn't. Montanabw^(talk) 00:00, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Citing RS

I'd rather sit in a dentist's chair and suffer through a root canal. The most work intensive WP articles I've ever worked on are clearly the Middle Eastern & South Asian articles. I'm up for a breath of air after attempting to fix citations on Faisalabad. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring Project Equine. ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:45, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

My sympathies! To do those "big" articles right is a LOT of work! Montanabw^(talk) 21:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ann T. Bowling

The article Ann T. Bowling you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ann T. Bowling for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Eppstein -- David Eppstein (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

HOORAY (doing cartwheels!) Hey, @Keilana:! Thanks for the kickstart! Montanabw^(talk) 22:05, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome! Congratulations!! ^_^ Keilana (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration has been nominated for Did You Know

Hello, Montanabw. Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 12:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Religious communism

As you participated in a related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian communism, you are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Religious communism. Graham (talk) 19:23, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hequ Horse

Has the Hequ Horse article been created yet? I looked around, and even searched its nickname, but nothing showed up. So I decided to create it. User:Horsegeek/Hequ Horse I'm not so sure if it's created, but I just wanted to double check... Thanks. Horsegeek^(talk) 20:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

(talk page stalker) Looks like not. I think the Wikidata item is Q10522273, by the way. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 21:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

What kind of source material do you have on it... this isn't a breed with an alternative name, is it? (Might be...) Looking at the article on French wikipedia, I'm wondering if we are talking about the Tibetan pony ... we also have the Heihe horse ... I'd start with List of horse breeds in DAD-IS, which lists it, and there is an entry (in fractured English) here. Montanabw^(talk) 04:08, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems more related to the Heihe horse. On the sources I have, none say anything like Heihe. The nicknames are Hequl, Nanfan, and Khetsyui horse. I'm sure it's not the tibetan pony. But it doesn't look like the heihe article mentions anything about having three types of the breed. That's what the sources on Hequ say. But this is it I think: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hequ_(cheval) Horsegeek^(talk) 16:01, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

Hello. I've written the french article about Hequ horse, and it passed de GA review, so, if you wish translate.... you're very welcome :) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 20:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your permission Tsaag Valren Horsegeek^(talk) 00:06, 24 June 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

Wind Horse

The revert now links to a dab page. Buddhist mythology may be an option, but "Windhorse was predominantly a feature of the folk culture, ... a rather than a Buddhist religious ideal," Mannanan51 (talk) 05:32, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Possibly cannot be helped. May need to expand the dab into a short article. Linking to a dab deliberately can, in some cases, be accepatable. Montanabw^(talk) 05:38, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Help requested: Good Article Review

Hello, I was just wondering if you would be interested in reviewing another of mine and Worm That Turned articles? Tessie Reynolds is another powerful woman who took a little step forward in the history of women's rights - though just wearing "manly" clothing on a bike! Don't worry if you can't - I know there are 101 other things for Wikipedians to do! ツStacey (talk) 09:04, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Andy Miller (harness racing)

I just did an article on this driver and his trainer wife Julie. Andy has the nickname, The Orange Crush. I tried to put it in his horsemen's box, along with a reference for the nickname, but it isn't appearing. Could you please fix it for me? Thanks....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The article is fixed now. Feel free to tweak the articles to make them better....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar

When will I ever get a barnstar? I gave others them. Kimono111 (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

You have made exactly three edits to article space. The answer should be obvious....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a social networking site. Please read WP:NOTHERE. Montanabw^(talk) 18:20, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Hey WP Equine members, (especially Atsme - on the above list is the Cowgirl Hall of Fame, which has gobs of redlinks! Montanabw^(talk) 18:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

List foo

Hey MB – check this: List of bars. Hint: scroll down to the tiki bars section. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 18:21, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

review times

GAs seem to take from 1 to 3 hours in far many cases - I fear one cause is collecting things. (sigh) Collect (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

My last one took three weeks. Rightfully so. Wikicup is part of the situation, points for both reviews and passing. That part is good, but maybe GA should move to a qpq system like DYK. Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 23:07, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

I did one DYK - seemed to be heaven for nitpicking <g> (Charles S. Strong), and I did 2 GAs - one was "GA by negotiation" editing with Slim Virgin at Christian Science, the other was (I think) the only "GA by reduction on Wikipedia" on Joseph Widney (which Eric guided me on). I think the process on DYK was tougher, as I am not a horrid writer (IMHO). I think GA should have one MOS review by a person who is truly dedicated to those minutia, a different person to vet the claims, and a third to simply aim for readability ... having one reviewer adequately do all three tasks provides too strong an incentive for shortcuts, I fear. Should they divide the tasks in such a way? Collect (talk) 00:20, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

They sort of do -- but that is called FAC! Basically, DYK has gotten to to the point that their standard is close to GA itself. Montanabw^(talk) 00:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

So I noticed <g> Collect (talk) 01:38, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

The reason for rapid GA reviews is probably the GA Cup which finishes at the end of the month. As for filling prep areas, I suggest you be very careful otherwise you just provide ammunition for the extreme nitpickers and anti-DYK folk. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

That makes sense. As for the nitpickers, ah heck, I haven't had enough drama in the last 48 hours, might as well go stir up some. Montanabw^(talk) 05:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

That's easy enough, Montanabw - let's prep another GAC together. *lol* ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

For fun - look at my recent posts. I can not understand why in (FITB) an editor would regard me improving an article by using best sources and obeying the MOS is somehow such an affront that he must "shame" me on his own UT page, and chase down my own edits in order to stubify articles which have had unsourceable claims removed. Happy 4th! BTW, is Angela Merkel editing lately? <g> Collect (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, so let me be sure I am correct on this. You and Dr. Blofeld appear to be having significant disputes over the biography of "a much-feared and notoriously bitchy celebrity biographer whose works fell squarely in the “unauthorised” category." Am I correct? And, among other places, the dispute has spilled over to the talk page of Eric Corbett? Oh d-d-d-d-dear! Even I lack the courage to dive into the middle of that one! Montanabw^(talk) 01:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

<g> I did not seek any dispute - I just find it amusing(?) that I am accused of having added POV language to an article, which is not only not POV, it was there before I even arrived. I believe the term is "Kafka strikes again". Unless I used tachyons. I thought you might find the contretemps which is entirely from the other editor "interesting" (and yes - I consider causing major edits to any article to make it substantially improved to be a worthy endeavor). Collect (talk) 01:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I want you and Blofeld to both trot over here, light a nice campfire, join hands and sing Kumbayah — and then roast some {{trout}}. he knows better, and as far as I can tell, a content dispute became too personalized. Which is the way of wiki these last few months, and I hope all that settles down. I'm also too lazy-ass to research it thoroughly and I think both of you are good editors, so that's why I am weaseling, ducking and running! Montanabw^(talk) 01:20, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Prep5

Can you remove from Prep5 "... that while Inger Hanmann created enamels for the Copenhagen Airport, her daughter Charlotte made processed photographs of urban environment?". It is unclear what it means but more importantly, the Charlotte Hanmann fact is not supported by a citation and you will get the sort of criticism I am currently being subjected to. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

You're right. Will do. Montanabw^(talk) 05:42, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the problem, it actually was sourced, but with one those "multiple footnotes at the very end" things that I dislike. I made a tweak. They can criticize me all they want, I'm used to it! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 05:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I looked and asked the authors for details of translation. Perhaps we should word something less precise, if they can't come up with it. I find "urban environment" only in mirror sites. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I ran one of the sources from the mom's article through google translate and it popped up, added that source to the Charlotte Hanmann article, only to note that it was the source used, just at the end of the next sentence (I really hate it when people do that multiple source at end of multiple sentence thing!). And with "urban" content. I think it's OK now. Montanabw^(talk) 06:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

U.S. presidential primaries hooks being held until after June 15

Hi, I'm wondering why you went ahead and closed all the outstanding nominations for U.S. presidential primaries hooks that were being held until "after June 15" per the DYK rule of not running such hooks within 30 days of a political election? Personally, I also questioned the wisdom of nominating a news event in March and having it run in June, but them's the rules. I reverted your closure of Template:Did you know nominations/Romney's March 3 Speech, but am holding off on Template:Did you know nominations/Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash and others until I hear from you. User:PFHLai had added re-review icons to these nominations to solicit updated reviews, but there have been few takers. I guess this is my next project :). Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

If them's the rules, go ahead and revert both. We were after June 15 and nothing much was happening. I don't have particularly strong feelings, Yoninah other than they are both no longer timely in the least (and the Dank Meme Stash article has references to April 2016 in the lead, so it's out of date too. Frankly, I don't see either of them passing any time soon, but if you want to "bless" them, go for it. Montanabw^(talk) 19:08, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Yoninah (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Question

How does one find an expert Wikipedian in a given field, such as a botanist in Texas? Is there a way? ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:56, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

• Officially, there is {{expert}} that can be placed on the page, which can't hurt, but seldom generates action (the one on laminitis languished for about 4-5 years). Unofficially, the better approach is to go to a wikiproject (biology or Texas, for example) and post at the project talk, or go to articles similar to the one where you have a question and see who is doing the "expert" edits and then pop by their talk page.

• 4-5 years!! Yikes. I'll try the "better approach". Thanks for the tip!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:29, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Map pins

I don't remember offhand, but it has something to do with a line in the infobox coding that can be added or subtracted as you wish. I have to disappear for a bit, but I'll look when I get back and see if I can find it. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

GAR input sought

Hi, I followed here from Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement and I am reaching out for an opinion; as the member of the project I hope could provide input on the topics of sourcing, neutrality, extraordinary claims, and level of detail in the articles, as well as general Wikipedia policies.

It has been suggested to me by editor Coretheapple in the Discussion area of a current GA reassessment that the review be brought to the attention of a wider audience. The issues above are included in the review, so I hope there's enough of a cross-functional applicability. The article in question is Hyacinth Graf Strachwitz; no specialist knowledge is required to be able to contributed to the GAR.

I would welcome feedback or a review of the article to see if it still meets Wikipedia:Good article criteria and whether it should be retained or delisted as a Good article. I would also welcome any feedback you'd be willing to share. Thank you and happy editing. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, the article does over-rely on Roll 2011, which is in German and a hardcopy source that I cannot access, so even if it is reliable, it's over-used. That said, I am no expert on military history, nor do I speak or read German with any fluency at all (I must rely on machine translation). Looks like there are people on both sides of the issues. You may want to ask Diannaa to look at the GAR, as she has some expertise on Third Reich topics, and I tend to avoid that area. Montanabw^(talk) 00:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Abu Farwa

I'm looking at a reader comment sent in to Wikimedia by OTRS regarding Abu Farwa. I don't think you are an OTRS agent (although perhaps you should be). Do you know an OTRS agent with interest in articles about horses? If you do, please share and I'll bug them. If you do not, my fallback position is to ask for permission to share the question with you. Would that be okay?--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I think I more or less fit that description, Sphilbrick, if I can be of any help. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: ticket:2016062810019398 Thanks in advance. I noticed after the fact that Montanabw has edited this article, so may be interested.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: and Philbrick: I am not an OTRS agent, but perhaps that is something I should pursue. Where do I go to look into this? As for Abu Farwa, I am familiar with the horse and have a great deal of source material for him; let me know what's up, as I can fix any material in that article to RS if there was something problematic. I suppose OTRS will be needed for some photos (I think someone mentioned to me that they had images of him they had taken themselves... he died back in the early 70s, so we could find fair use images, but free is always better... Montanabw^(talk) 18:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's the place to apply for OTRS:

OTRS

If you do apply, let me know so I can add my name in support. There are several things that OTRS agents deal with; you hinted at one, helping with permissions for images. Another major class of items is dealing with email sent to Wikimedia identifying either problems in articles or asking questions. My query to you relates to someone who believes they found an error in the article. We take privacy very seriously so I apologize for being less than open about the issue. I've requested permission to share the problem with you but have not yet received a reply. If we do not get permission I suspect that justlettersandnumbers will be clever enough to ask you questions without violating confidences.

One additional point regarding OTRS agents. Many are admins; it is not a technical requirement. It is useful because many queries come in about an article that was deleted so the ability to see deleted material can be important but there are many tickets that don't require this ability.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:25, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, two more points. The info queue (where people email with general problems) is almost under control, with a couple hundred open tickets in the English queue. More help is needed there, but the real need is in Permissions (making sure that permissions for images, and in rarer cases, text are proper and can be accepted.) I used to work in Permissions, but now concentrate on info. The backlog at Permissions is over 1000.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Follow-up

@Justlettersandnumbers: I received permission to share the email so I emailed Montanabw the original and followup emails. I have more than a dozen active tickets so I am hoping I can leave it in your (joint) collective capable hands. Will that work?--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers and Sphilbrick:Got the email. The Abu Farwa email raises an old and well-discussed spat about an ancestor in his pedigree and I will address any corrections that need to be made in the article. It's one of those things that modern equine coat color genetics understand quite well today, less so in the 1950s and 1960s. (Horse people can have unbelievable drama-o-rama about horse markings) It's all about the white-spotting stuff, such as in the discussion of the Thoroughbred foal with the splashed white markings we are discussing in a thread above this one. On it, and thanks. Montanabw^(talk) 03:49, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Sphilbrick, that's fine with me. A far as I can see, it's a topic that should be discussed on the talk page (I'd probably have responded to the ticket with a message to that effect). I'll send a note to suggest the person posts there, partly as a way of inviting in an apparently expert potential new editor. I'm completely clueless about the actual details of the breeding, NOT an area where I have expertise. Montana will surely deal with that. Regards to both, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree, and in many cases such as this I do recommend that the person use the article talk page. However when I saw the rather strong opinions in the subject matter I knew it would be a good idea to reach out to Montanabw. I didn't initially realize that Montanabw had edited this particular article; had I realize that I might've jump directly to suggesting use the talk page. However the note above makes it clear the right editor is involved :) Thanks to both of you for agreeing to get involved; it looks like it's in good hands. --S Philbrick(Talk) 12:35, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I have the situation fixed. The person pointed out a legitimate error that I hadn't spotted, and which I fixed. That said, they probably should be educated about what is and is not RS, lol (but they were right about the error). I'm getting a little frustrated at how much stuff is now being self-published or posted to Instagram or wherever. Montanabw^(talk) 19:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for getting involved. Based upon your response, I think it was clear we needed a subject matter expert, so I'm happy you stepped in - sorry if it was more work than you had hoped. Regarding RS - I've always been trouble about the general problem, but hoped it would be getting better - it may not be which has far-reaching consequences. --S Philbrick(Talk) 22:58, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Blogs, instagram, facebook, there is so much material being copied into those places, much of it crap but some of it not... yes. There is lot of work to be done. Montanabw^(talk) 23:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Dressage: Xenophon

On June 27, I edited the Wiki page "Dressage", adding a reference to Xenophon; specifically, a link to his book The Art of Horsemanship. You reverted my edit, commenting: "Reverted good faith edits by VexorAbVikipædia (talk): Xenophon is not a source for being the source." I don't understand this. How can Xenophon's own writings not be a source for Xenophon? I am completely, utterly perplexed.VexorAbVikipædia (talk) 22:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

• Read WP:PRIMARY Xenophon cannot be a source for a statement such as "Classical horsemanship dates back to Xenophon." He didn't know he was going to be the father of classical horsemanship at the time he wrote. You need a different source that verifies the importance of Xenophon. Also, you don't site a multi-page section of a book for a single, simple proposition. If, for example, the editor of that book has a statement in the preface that Xenophon was the father of classical horsemanship, that might work -- attributing the statement to the person who wrote it and the precise page number in the specific work. Hope that helps. Montanabw^(talk) 03:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Bannack, Montana redux

Sorry for the delay, but I took a look - it has to do with the way the coordinates are listed. If you take a look at the article now, the maps are showing because I changed the way the coordinates are entered in the infobox. That look about right to you? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:07, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your editorial critique of Deer Lodge Montana: History

You have twice referred to that as 'very poorly written'. Could you elucidate. If my writing style is indeed that lame, I will simply delete it which will return the article to its prior state. RegardsJwilsonjwilson (talk) 19:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

• It's salvagable if you would add a few inline citations. But as it was, it was horribly overlinked, unsourced, timeline list instead of a narrative, written with poor sentence structure and odd phrasing ("Butte City"???). I did some cleanup, but it needs more. You aren't a newbie, you really should know how to edit an article by now. Montanabw^(talk) 21:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you for your clarifications. Will decide what to do. RegardsJwilsonjwilson (talk) 12:53, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Happy 4th of July!!!

	A special fireworks display for you!
	Wishing you a fun & safe holiday weekend. Let the games begin!! Atsme📞📧 01:57, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Happy Fourth of July!

	Happy Fourth of July!
	Here's hoping you have a great Fourth of July! White Arabian Filly Neigh

Happy 4th

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	Hope your 4th is red white and blue! (With other colors too) Horsegeek(talk) 22:10, 3 July 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

The Fat is in the Fire now...

I don't know if this is the first RfC I've ever filed, but I haven't filed many. Take a peek, all: Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Adding_ways_to_assess_Systemic_Bias_to_WP:N

Hook

Thank you very much for the good hook on Template:Did you know nominations/The creation of the violin. Is there the word "to" missing? "ALT5: ... the Roma fairy tale, The Creation of the Violin, features a fairy queen who uses the power of music to make people happy or sad?" NearEMPTiness (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the review..

Hi Montanabw. Thanks a lot for the GA review of Sabrina Sidney. It's been a few years since I went near the FA process, I was wondering if the article stood a chance? I'm not a big fan of the process, so would value your opinion on whether it's worth it. Same question to any Talk page Stalkers! Worm^TT(talk) 15:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

(watching) Yes, go for it. It doesn't hurt, and there's nothing to loose. Cautious people do a peer review first. I have a FA mentioned in the last Signpost that was promoted the second attempt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

PR takes a while, but it is a good idea before trying FAC. You might want to ping some of the regular FAC reviewers to do the PR, particularly those who have worked on UK subjects in the past. Montanabw^(talk) 21:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Just ping those who opposed Rob's RfA, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Poopers!

I just created Hillary Blumberg but misspelled Hilary - there's only one "l" in her name. Is that what your new "move tool" is all about? Can you rename it to Hilary Blumberg? ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:37, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks

You inspired WP:CONFUSESTUB. Good job!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey! Thank you! That was cool! Montanabw^(talk) 21:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Duct tape occlusion therapy

Thank you so for the link to this posting Duct tape occlusion therapy ! I have a HUGE growth atop my shoulders, but I guess even 2 rolls of duct tape can't fix everything...