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k-means clustering

Two of the three additional references you added do not talk about hierarchical k-means at all. The third does not give a reference of which variant it is talking about. Moore is one of the authors of X-means, which is one of the widely known hierarchical k-means variants (already in the article!). I don't doubt that hierarchical k-means variations exist (they are already there), but that the particular one that you added (which appears to lack peer-review) is notable - it is a 2004 reinvention of a wheel already discussed in 1997 and 2000 by others. The most notable version is probably x-means, from 2000, because it contributes some novel ideas beyond non-notable ideas such as "hey, I can run k-means multiple times". HelpUsStopSpam (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Uncited additions to Fractal

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Slow down, please

Looking at your edit history - it appears you've only been here since April? I suggest that you slow down and learn the "culture" and the infrastructure a little better before making so many organizational changes and what-you-see-as improvements.

For example - a term that previously did not have its own article should not be newly represented as an entry in a glossary and a redirect thereto. Instead of a redirect, create a stub article. The stub category will (should) attract editors to help fill it out, where a glossary entry will not. Jeh (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[1] I learned to focus on the glossary: stubs were more likely to get deleted. There's also much more chance of argument if I try to re-organize other peoples articles putting definitions there. Simple terms either don't deserve an article, or are destined for merge. [2] "it appears you've only been here since April?" I've done edits here and there going back to 2006/2007 , it's only recently that I bothered to make an account. Fmadd (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(2) Exactly the reason - well, one of the reasons - you're encouraged to create an account. (And somehow in ten years you never encountered the requirements for merging articles?) (1) Stubs seldom get deleted right away. Jeh (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't merge anything before (and wasn't on such a spree as in the past few weeks). I only did so here because I took an interest in that page. I already have it in my head from experience that i'm going to run into notability guidelines or overlap with existing material, when all I'm really trying to do here often is explain a specific term more directly .. and I've already had people complain if I add a glossary to an existing article. I jumped in there because I saw a clear reply "go ahead.."
You don't have to have actually merged anything before; I'm surprised that in ten years you've never even seen it happen and noticed how it's been done. Another thing I'm surprised you haven't absorbed in ten years is the fact that one positive comment in a discussion does not a consensus make. Jeh (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
memory access pattern. Here we go, the friction I run into if I try to make pages. Aren't glossary entries better for simple definitions? I'm pretty sure this will eventually be merged into 'locality of reference' article. Fmadd (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There nothing inherently wrong with 10 paragraphs about Memory access patterns at Memory access pattern.
If they were split into 10 pages, they will be as stub for prolonged periods of time.
10 small pages will make reading one big topic (Memory access patterns) hard, they will WP:OVERCAT every single category they are placed in.
There 211 stubs already Category:Computer storage stubs, we don't need more stubs. We need real articles.
Category:Computer storage is huge and contains WP:DUP articles or sections.
It is bad idea to split Type systems or Memory characteristics or Memory hierarchy unless you plan to write a full page (not a stub) with multiple sections (at least 3-5) Ushkin N (talk) 03:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Volatile memory is a stub for 10 years already while only Non-volatile memory is well written.
Same goes about memory access pattern; random or sequential will be understood by wide audience of readers, when specialized and research-level articles will be "stubs" and hidden from main categorization, because they pollute huge topics like Category:Computer storage. Ushkin N (talk) 03:25, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes people forget things all the time. Maybe wikipedia's version control engine could automatically determine who wrote what, and auto sign in it's rendering of talk pages. Fmadd (talk) 22:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reminder about proper noun capitalization

Hi there! While editing the page Texture mapping recently, I noticed that you had added a lot of text that had proper nouns that weren't capitalized. In English, things like names and places must have the first letter capitalized, for example Adobe Photoshop, or Sega Saturn. Thanks! Air ♠ Combat What'sup, dog? 19:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough, I might not always "dot i's and cross t's" so diligently, but I know it has some value.Fmadd (talk) 19:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of British computers

I expect some logic/sources behind the list. ZX81 Xx236 (talk) 07:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

after creating the list I thought it was better to make a category, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_computers , I prefer the automated mechanism to collect these. Lets see what people prefer. On reflection I might need to qualify with 'british *microcomputers*' there. Feel free to improve. Fmadd (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop making edits like [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], where you created wp:wikilinks to non-existing articles. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. And please see also wp:OVERLINKING. Thank you. - DVdm (talk) 12:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, please stop creating random redirects. If you want to link to an article, use the PIPE trick (i.e. link to Minkowski space by typing [[Minkowski space|four-dimensional space-time]], which appears as four-dimensional space-time. Primefac (talk) 14:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But using the pipe trick, please make sure that you don't create so-called wp:EASTEREGGS, requiring the puzzled reader to actually click the link to go and find out why the link was put there to begin with. Tricky! - DVdm (talk) 15:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor edits and edit summaries

An edit like this, which completely restructures an article, it should not be marked as minor, and must at a minimum be accompanied by an edit summary. Ordinarily such edits are usually also accompanied by an explanation on the talk page. Furthermore, leads are not supposed to be this short. The lead should be several paragraphs long, and can serve as an independent capsule version of the article that summarizes its main points. See WP:LEAD. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide edit summaries.

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I second this. Additionally, as mentioned previously, please only mark minor edits when they truly are minor edits; adding anchors, headings, or otherwise modifying the content of an article does not count as a minor edit. Primefac (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Given that you haven't responded to these requests from your fellow editors to please supply edit summaries: [6], I ask you, again, to please provide edit summaries. I also suggest that you slow down and try to make more meaningful and thoughtful contributions to Wikipedia. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 13:59, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This is the kind of stuff that gets noticed and earns oppose votes if you ever want to be an admin. Cabayi (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I dont want to be an admin. How about this, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Automatic_1-line_edit_summary , that'll make it easier for all to use.Fmadd (talk) 13:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. There is an admin who seldom leaves edit summaries, and seldom left them before being made an admin. See here for the full story. Edit summaries are not, and never have been, compulsory. It is true that they help others to see what has been edited. It is also true that vandals rarely leave edit summaries so the lack of one is likely to attract extra attention. But they still ain't compulsory. HasAnyoneSeenMyMarbles (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
HasAnyoneSeenMyMarbles - the only person using the word "compulsory" is you. The generally accepted view is, as you acknowledge, that they help others to see what has been edited, as you have in 15 of your 16 edits.
If you want to cite an admin or their RfA it would be better to choose one that isn't over 12 years old. "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there".
The edit count link found at the foot your Special:Contributions page shows your use of edit summaries, and it's automatically included as part of an RfA - check the latest RfA - Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Amortias#Discussion.
Fmadd, It's fine if you're not harbouring an ambition to be an admin, but I hope you're OK with the idea of helping other editors to work with you. Happy editing, Cabayi (talk) 14:21, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cabayi: What are you on about? The admin in question last made 23 edits (out of a total of 23 edits) without leaving an edit summary in the last 24 hours, the last of which was just over 2 hours ago not '12 years' as you claim. I did not cite any RfA so that point is invalid. Your link to some random RfA does not even discuss the subject (though was mentioned in passing). Oh and edit summaries are not automatically included in an RfA.
Your first paragraph more or less agrees with me. My usage of the word 'compulsory' was as in "Edit summaries are not ... compulsory". What is wrong with that? Or did you not actually read what I wrote?
But as I did say: edit summaries are helpful to other editors. And that is as far as it goes. HasAnyoneSeenMyMarbles (talk) 17:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
HasAnyoneSeenMyMarbles you seem to be confusing being an admin with becoming an admin. There are no requirements except occasional activity for being. There are many for becoming which have changed over time. Cabayi (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cabayi: Please point to the policy that states that leaving edit summaries is a pre-requisite to being appointed to admin status. HasAnyoneSeenMyMarbles (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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About storage capacity

I see that you have made a lot of links on the subject. I created the article because in energy parlance there are definitions not so obvious (if you are in computing, you could think about the difference between 1K=1024 and 1000). After I moved the definition to a more specific page, making place for a disambiguation page. Adding definitions as you made: depression storage capacity, water storage capacity, computer data storage capacity is fine. But you started to overlink, as here and here. I would like you to take a look at your last edits about that, and reverse if not relevant. Thank you. --Robertiki (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, thats kind of why I thought 'storage capacity' should be disambiguation, incase it carries specific connotations. in retrospect maybe I shouldn't have blitzed a load of links. But what's was going through my mind is: that when you see a phrase from another domain , you might carry across the 'connotations' and get misled. Or vica versa, are there any decent parallels *between* the domains (which are why similar terms get chosen). Making a disambiguation was kind of a question to the community: "please clarify if there are interesting similarities or differences between these uses of the term" Fmadd (talk) 19:58, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We agree. Good work. --Robertiki (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have added many wikilinks to a number of articles. Whilst adding useful links to articles is generally welcome, you may wish to review WP:OVERLINK. Adding wikilinks for well understood words and phrases is undesirable. This is particularly the case if the link takes you to an article that does not further the reader's understanding of the original article's subject. Even if a link is appropriate, it should not take the reader to a disambiguation page but direct to the appropriate article or, if appropriate, section within an article. 86.186.169.144 (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ok, but what is "well understood"? links to Disambiguation seem useful as 'work in progress', because people can clarify the context. I'm going through physics etc articles which have huge amounts of jargon. Would it be possible to handle 'overlinking' hazard another way, by some weighting of the links. My 'itch' is that the links are data-labels that make wikipedia more valuable as a resource for training AI.. this is a massive , popular data-set available to all. Also going through finding links is a great way for me to explore Fmadd (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, a wikilink should aim to further the reader's understanding of an article subject. To take a topical example, a link to [Storage capacity] from an article about computer storage systems is inappropriate as the meaning of storage capacity is fairly self evident. However, a link to (say) [Digital versatile disk] in the same article would be appropriate as an example of a computer storage system. A more extreme example might be linking to [United States] in an article discussing some geographical feature within the US (in fact such links are specifically frowned upon by policy). Obviously, in between these examples there are going to be numerous examples of where the link should be obviously appropriate or inappropriate, but in between there will be examples that could be construed as a grey area. In such cases, if you do not believe it to be inappropriate, add it but accept others judgement if you are reverted. You will probably find that borderline inappropriate often goes unchallenged - at least for some time. 86.186.169.144 (talk) 17:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hugely grey area: you just said [storage capacity] is self evident but there's a distinction between 'native' and 'apparent' capacity, which can be clarified at the link. The existing term 'storage capacity' seems to have existing use in other circles. Instead of fretting about overlinking, shouldn't we be coming up with a way to prioritize links in this platform. The links themselves give the system more information to work with (natural language text is hugely difficult for machines to deal with, and these links are free labels which should help). Surely creating link are an interesting means of discovery, *both ways* ('what links here'). There is emergent intelligence beyond our direct, individual input. Fmadd (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Internal line

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Nomination of Thermomagnetic for deletion

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Bicycle rider listed at Redirects for discussion

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Nomination of Stellar explosion for deletion

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As you've seen many, many times in notices on your talk page so far, please stop creating links to disambiguation pages per WP:INTDAB. The point of a DAB is when the target isn't known. Intentionally linking to a DAB is not appropriate, and should be avoided. Primefac (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

in the case of 'stellar explosion', is a category another solution? The point is exploratory. Don't you like the ability to surf wikipedia? Also, disambiguation links can be made temporarily, awaiting clarification. Why is this all so hard? Fmadd (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And if there is clarification, the DAB link to should be changed to the proper target. So far, I have yet to see you follow up on that. Primefac (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's often ambiguity as to where the best target for the link is. By deleting the disambiguation etc , you're making it harder to go back and refine it Fmadd (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac is absolutely right. Please do stop this incorrect use of disambiguation notices for page deletions. With the Supernova page, clearly 'stellar explosion' is a general simplification to account for the great plethora of differing mechanisms and outcomes. I.e. "A supernova is a type of stellar explosion." Absolute fact. Is there a more fundamental or simpler definition?
As for saying 'astronomical event' is also a simplification for the Introduction. The reasoning appears here[7], and I have explained in full my edits. Both these statements were chosen very carefully to counteract the continuous unnecessary edits (mostly by either novices or unregistered users) and make the page stable. Furthermore, if you do wish to change this, you must discuss it on the Talkpage, and also need to gain consensus to do so. (So far, you have not engaged with this adopted policy of basic editing processes.) Thanks. Arianewiki1 (talk) 00:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I dont want to change the structure. I just like the ability to surf wikipedia (and the fact links label the text for AI training). The more links the better. Can't we have a way of prioritizing or deprioritizing, if they think there is such a think as 'overlinking' ... imagine if links to disambiguations & lists were displayed in a different (less obtrusive) shade - like they're just there for navigation Fmadd (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am utterly amazed that this is controversial. Fmadd (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not here to satisfy the way you like to use it or believe it should be used. It is a community project and whatever format anything takes has to be achieved by consensus. That is why controversial changes must be discussed on article talk pages. There are lots of things Wikipedia could do better, in my opinion, but none of them are going to happen because most people disagree with me. 86.186.169.144 (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
ok, but any controversy points to ways in which a system can be improved. Can you help get behind suggestions to alleviate this supposed 'overlinking' hazard automatically; if it could be quantified, the edit could warn you, or even reject changes. ("too many links in this region"). Just imagine how much effort goes into arguing, when that effort could go into software improvements. Fmadd (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Scattering event listed at Redirects for discussion

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Talkback

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Tarl N. (discuss) 18:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking to industrial civilization

Hello Fmadd -- You have created many new internal links for the term industrial civilization, which is simply a redirect to industrialization. I know you are editing in good faith, but "industrial civilization" (a kind of society) does not have the same meaning as "industrialization" (a historical process). The concepts are related, but many of the links you are creating to the redirect page are probably inappropriate. It is especially inappropriate to create a link within the title of a book, without having read that book to be sure that you know what the author means, precisely, by "industrial civilization". And after creating all these links, it is not really fair to go, as you have done, to the industrialization article and rewrite the lede to shoehorn the term "industrial civilization" into it. You should consider reverting many of these edits. Respectfully -- WikiPedant (talk) 22:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

i've changed the redirect to Industrial society#INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION. unfortunately no single page has the exact right meaning (society!=civilization), and i bet if we try to make 'industrial civilization' an actual page people will delete it. civ/soc have different connotations to me.. one is more about social/culture/economucs, the other more about big scale technological systems, industrial agriculture, etc. Take a look at the talk page on the redirect. Fmadd (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You might also have a look at WP:OVERLINK, it might change your expectations. In some cases you are ending up with sentences that are almost completely composed of links, which is not good.
Specifically, "simply adding more links does not increase the overall number of clicks taken from a page. Instead, links compete with each other for user attention." Tarl N. (discuss) 23:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
fair enough, but I would hope this platform can gain an ability to prioritize links (they could be rendered in different shades). Imagine a formal way of specifying 'pre-requisites' for articles, with something in user profiles to track which ones you say you're already familiar with. ('you should understand these before you understand this article' vs 'these are other interesting things'). Also bear in mind the hovercards feature - it's really easy to just glide around and get an preview. Fmadd (talk) 00:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@ user:WikiPedant ok, take a look at Industrial civilization, I have followed through on my impulse - it seemed to me wikipedia should have somewhere describing this directly; I was not satisfied with any redirects, as explained, and we replicate excessive material if we try to work a definition into each potential target. Fmadd (talk) 12:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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instead of fretting about overlinking (with all this manual policing and argument), why cant we extend the software to prioritize links. Fmadd (talk) 14:05, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because everyone else does not want such a facility. Of course: if you believe other users could be persuaded that such a change would be a good idea, then the correct course of action is to open an appropriate discussion at a suitable venue and garner consensus rather than just blunder ahead and try to implement it. I would suggest that the village pump might be a good starting point. 86.186.169.144 (talk) 14:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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