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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to continue the process, it may be requested regularly at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply, even if an article is the primary topic of its name.
- This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there are no oppositions to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing the opposition(s).
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed - follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is Delete, Merge, or Rename"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 455 open requests (. )
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Current requests
- Category:Placename element etymologies to Category:Place name element etymologies – C2C. per Category:Place names. 77.13.82.51 (talk) 15:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of placename etymologies to Category:Lists of place name etymologies – C2C. per Category:Place names. 77.13.82.51 (talk) 15:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Etymologies of geographic names to Category:Place name etymologies – C2C. "place name" per parent Category:Place names, child Category:Biblical place names in New York (state), Category:Classical place names in New York (state). 77.13.82.51 (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Polo organisations to Category:Polo organizations – C2C: per Category:Equestrian organizations. Oculi (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Slovenian people of Luxembourgish descent to Category:Slovenian people of Luxembourgian descent – C2C: per ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:People of Luxembourgian descent. Oculi (talk) 14:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish male writers to Category:Luxembourgian male writers – C2C: convention in ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Luxembourgian people. Oculi (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of organisations based in Panama to Category:Lists of organizations based in Panama – C2C: convention in Category:Organizations based in Panama. Oculi (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Sports organisations of Panama to Category:Sports organizations of Panama
- Category:Medical and health organisations in Panama to Category:Medical and health organizations based in Panama
- Category:International organisations based in Panama to Category:International organizations based in Panama
- Category:List-Class River hames articles to Category:List-Class River Thames articles – C2A and C2D per Wikipedia:WikiProject River Thames (and River Thames/Category:River Thames), see the recent RM. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Afghan taxi cab drivers to Category:Afghan taxicab drivers – C2D: per Taxicab and ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Taxicab drivers. Oculi (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:American taxi cab drivers to Category:American taxicab drivers
- Category:Belgian taxi cab drivers to Category:Belgian taxicab drivers
- Category:British taxi cab drivers to Category:British taxicab drivers
- Category:Pakistani taxi cab drivers to Category:Pakistani taxicab drivers
- Category:Taxi cab drivers by nationality to Category:Taxicab drivers by nationality
- Category:Thai taxi cab drivers to Category:Thai taxicab drivers
- Category:Asian horror to Category:Asian horror fiction – To comply with its, parent, sibling and child categories. Such as Category:Horror fiction, Category:Horror fiction by continent, Category:African horror fiction, Category:South American horror fiction and Category:Singaporean horror fiction.★Trekker (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Muhammad Portal to Category:Muhammad portal – C2C; portal categories have portal in lowercase UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Greenland legal professionals to Category:Greenlandic legal professionals – C2C: per ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Greenlandic people by occupation. Oculi (talk) 17:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Sleep medicine organisations to Category:Sleep medicine organizations – C2C: per parent Category:Anesthesiology organizations. Oculi (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Lifesaving organisations to Category:Lifesaving organizations – C2C: per parent ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:First aid organizations and ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Medical and health organizations. Oculi (talk) 14:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:1981 crimes in Bashrain to Category:1981 crimes in Bahrain - C2A. Jim Michael (talk) 14:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Sports medicine organisations to Category:Sports medicine organizations – C2C: per convention in Category:Sports organizations, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Medical and health organizations. Oculi (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Martha albums to Category:Martha (band) albums – C2D: Rename to match article name. Also, ambiguous. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 06:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Upchurch albums to Category:Upchurch (musician) albums – C2D: Main article is at Upchurch (musician). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 06:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:All-Around to Category: All-Around Cowboys – C2D: per All-Around Cowboy article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Drive-by editor with no rodeo knowledge is proposing change. All around is the future. If you want a match, the article needs changed, not the category. If you had only asked me first. Here's proof that rodeo is using just all around now to be correct for all genders: [1] [http://www.prorodeo.com/prorodeo/rodeo/rodeo101/all-around
] [2] [All-Around Champion Tuf Cooper https://prorodeo.cld.bz/2017-World-Champions/2/] [3] and [4]. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- This speedy rename is no longer necessary. The article has been edited and renamed to follow rodeo's sanctioning bodys' regulations. dawnleelynn(talk) 03:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Gerontology organisations to Category:Gerontology organizations – C2C: convention in ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Medical and health organizations by medical condition. Oculi (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Science organizations by topic to Category:Scientific organizations by topic – C2C: subcat scheme for ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Scientific organizations. Oculi (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Meteorite organisations to Category:Meteorite organizations – C2C: per ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Space science organizations, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Space organizations, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Science organizations by topic. Oculi (talk) 12:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Cape Verdean people in healthcare professions to Category:Cape Verdean people in health professions – C2C: convention in ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:People in health professions by nationality. Oculi (talk) 10:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian Peers to Category:Canadian peers – C2A/C2C: "peer" is not a proper noun. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Mozambiquean people to Category:Mozambican people – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 06:28, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish diaspora to Category:Luxembourgian diaspora – C2C: To match Category:Luxembourgian people and most of its subcategories Rathfelder (talk) 21:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish emigrants to Category:Luxembourgian emigrants
- Please explain what you mean by moving disambig categories to real categories.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Materialscientist has been moving categories at speedy for some reason. These were real categories on 27 Apr. Oculi (talk) 14:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Please explain what you mean by moving disambig categories to real categories.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish emigrants to Category:Luxembourgian emigrants
- Category:Attached organizations to Category:Extraordinary organs (Japan) – C2D per Extraordinary organ (Japan) ThM2013 (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed, and without discussion. So C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People from Kurzeme to Category:People from Courland, C2D: Kurzeme redirects to Courland. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Actually Kurzeme doesn't redirect to anything, because it's a disambiguation page. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- It is nevertheless uncontroversial that Kurzeme is synonymous with Courland. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:North Macedonian defence ministers to previous category Category:Macedonian defence ministers - C2B: per WP:MOSMAC. Category was moved without discussion. --FlavrSavr (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The term is undoubtedly state-related. If this is only done for typical reasons because of the atypical way in which the category was renamed, and will so return to "North Macedonian defence ministers" with the correct procedure, then I redact this opposition. Otherwise this is a breach of the Macedonia RFC. --Antondimak (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- You have a point, but the RfC is not yet a policy. Generally, is not a good idea to make category moves before it becomes one. --FlavrSavr (talk) 08:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- But now since we are moving it anyway, I think it's better to stick to what has been decided by the RFC, as "Macedonian" in this case would be problematic. --Antondimak (talk) 10:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- A rename to Category:Defence ministers of North Macedonia per Category:Government ministers of North Macedonia (and convention in Category:Defense ministers by country) would be an alternative. Oculi (talk) 09:24, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- I would have suggested that, too but I was under the impression that you have to nominate one category only, and of those, I chose the one that has a still active naming policy. Category:Defence ministers of North Macedonia makes perfect sense. --FlavrSavr (talk) 11:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- You have a point, but the RfC is not yet a policy. Generally, is not a good idea to make category moves before it becomes one. --FlavrSavr (talk) 08:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The term is undoubtedly state-related. If this is only done for typical reasons because of the atypical way in which the category was renamed, and will so return to "North Macedonian defence ministers" with the correct procedure, then I redact this opposition. Otherwise this is a breach of the Macedonia RFC. --Antondimak (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:North Macedonian sport stubs to previous category Category:Macedonian sport stubs - C2B: per WP:MOSMAC (awaiting new draft guideline). Category was moved without discussion. --FlavrSavr (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Again, why not Category:North Macedonia sport stubs per Category:North Macedonia stubs? Oculi (talk) 11:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- See my reply about the defense ministers. Yeah, I've actually manually moved it to Category:North Macedonia stubs, but was sort of reprimanded for that. --FlavrSavr (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- That goes against the convention of ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Sports stubs by country, which uses adjectives. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- See my reply about the defense ministers. Yeah, I've actually manually moved it to Category:North Macedonia stubs, but was sort of reprimanded for that. --FlavrSavr (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Again, why not Category:North Macedonia sport stubs per Category:North Macedonia stubs? Oculi (talk) 11:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Bronx-related lists to Category:The Bronx-related lists – C2B: per The Bronx/‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:The Bronx. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, the article is not used where Bronx is adjectival, e.g. List of Bronx neighborhoods. – Fayenatic London 23:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:French rule in the Ionian Islands to Category:French rule in the Ionian Islands (1797–1799) – C2D per French rule in the Ionian Islands (1797–1799). Constantine ✍ 16:35, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: I am practically the sole author of the relevant main article in its present form, as well as the creator of the category, so this is really objecting on a technicality. Constantine ✍ 10:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- In other words, it's a C2E. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- HandsomeFella C2E doesn't apply because the category was created more than six months ago. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- In other words, it's a C2E. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: I am practically the sole author of the relevant main article in its present form, as well as the creator of the category, so this is really objecting on a technicality. Constantine ✍ 10:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:18th-century church buildings by decade to Category:18th-century churches by decade – C2C per Category:18th-century churches and e.g. Category:12th-century churches by decade, Category:19th-century churches by decade. – Fayenatic London 22:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:17th-century church buildings by decade to Category:17th-century churches by decade
- Category:16th-century church buildings by decade to Category:16th-century churches by decade
- Category:15th-century church buildings by decade to Category:15th-century churches by decade
- Oppose - the issue of church buildings vs. churches and the possible confusion with church bodies is a much discussed one that never really reached consensus, so C2C can hardly be applied. The use of church buildings is quite prevalent, see 18th-century Eastern Orthodox church buildings, 18th-century Oriental Orthodox church buildings, 18th-century Roman Catholic church buildings. In the present case, the main argument put forward in favour of using churches (that such articles are about local congregations rather than about buildings) does not stand for historical church buildings, so I guess a reverse renaming of parent categories (such as Category:18th-century churches to Category:18th-century church buildings) may be in order. Place Clichy (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Sacred sites to Category:Holy places – Main article Holy place. PPEMES (talk) 22:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm, maybe. The sub-cats are all "Sacred X" and where they have lead articles, these match, e.g. Sacred mountains and Sacred grove. – Fayenatic London 22:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Actually the category description seems to imply that the main article is actually Sacred natural site. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:05, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- Good point, and that would make a useful distinction within the parent Religious places. @PPEMES: would you agree to renaming to Category:Sacred natural sites? Then we would just move the sub-cats Christian holy places and Holy cities up into the parent. – Fayenatic London 13:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Actually indecisive myself. I guess I could see rationale for "sacred places" rather than "holy places". But I am leaving all this up to you for the time being. Feel free to propose renames or additions. PPEMES (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Good point, and that would make a useful distinction within the parent Religious places. @PPEMES: would you agree to renaming to Category:Sacred natural sites? Then we would just move the sub-cats Christian holy places and Holy cities up into the parent. – Fayenatic London 13:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, would vote in favour of @Fayenatic london's solution: as what is "holy" or "sacred" is quite subjective, trimming down the category to Category:Sacred natural sites per C2D with main article Sacred natural site and moving other content to parent Religious places seems to be the best option. Place Clichy (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support FL's alternative too, this makes a clear distinction between natural holy places and built holy places. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, I think "sacred" is a better definition than "holy." Would potentially support FL's alternative. SportingFlyer T·C 18:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Troma Entertainment films to Category:Troma Entertainment – C2D per: Troma Entertainment -- Netoholic @ 02:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Goes against the naming of convention of ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:American films by studio. (STUDIONAME films). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:The Toxic Avenger (series) to Category:The Toxic Avenger – C2D per: The Toxic Avenger -- Netoholic @ 02:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The Toxic Avenger is a dab page, so that can't be the main article. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers to Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (2006–2016) – C2D: See Fort Lauderdale Strikers (2006–2016). Steel1943 (talk) 01:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Comment If this is renamed then some categories would need to be removed from it (like ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1977–83)). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: Something like that, from what I saw. I'm thinking Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers may need to become a {{Category disambiguation}} page after the category is moved and all pages in the category are moved to the new name. Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - leave Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers as it is, create subcat Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (2006–2016) for relevant material. Oculi (talk) 23:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: Something like that, from what I saw. I'm thinking Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers may need to become a {{Category disambiguation}} page after the category is moved and all pages in the category are moved to the new name. Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Comment If this is renamed then some categories would need to be removed from it (like ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1977–83)). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:St. Louis Commissioner of Police to Category:St. Louis Commissioners of Police – C2A, cats are plurals Le Deluge (talk) 09:45, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Le Deluge Comment The main article of the category is Commissioner of Police of the Metropolitan Police Department, City of St. Louis, so this should probably be renamed to ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Commissioners of Police of the Metropolitan Police Department, City of St. Louis. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players at the 2011 NCAA Women's Division I Final Four to Category:Basketball players at the 2011 NCAA Division I Women's Final Four – C2D per parent category and main article name of NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament. — Dale Arnett (talk) 03:12, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2012 NCAA Women's Division I Final Four to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2012 NCAA Division I Women's Final Four
- ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2013 NCAA Women's Division I Final Four to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2013 NCAA Division I Women's Final Four
- ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2014 NCAA Women's Division I Final Four to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2014 NCAA Division I Women's Final Four
- ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2015 NCAA Women's Division I Final Four to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Basketball players at the 2015 NCAA Division I Women's Final Four
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn't really apply, because NCAA Division I Women's Final Four doesn't exist. Also if the main article is NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament, than these should be renamed to "Basketball players at the XXXX NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament Final Four". Armbrust The Homunculus 09:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Withdrawing speedy; I'd like someone else to move it to full. I'll state up front that the only place I think the word "basketball" is needed in the proposed category title is as the opening word, because the phrase "Final Four", at least in the US, is used only for the NCAA Division I and III basketball tournaments. The NCAA holds the trademark to the term, and only uses in in those tournaments. (Note that the final round of the Division II men's and women's tournaments is the Elite Eight instead of Final Four.) While other NCAA tournaments have a four-team final round, other phrases are used, such as the "College Cup" in soccer and "Frozen Four" in ice hockey. — Dale Arnett (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn't really apply, because NCAA Division I Women's Final Four doesn't exist. Also if the main article is NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament, than these should be renamed to "Basketball players at the XXXX NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Tournament Final Four". Armbrust The Homunculus 09:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao geography stubs to Category:Bangsamoro geography stubs – C2C/C2D per successor region Bangsamoro RioHondo (talk) 17:53, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reason as bellow. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- You know that that is being inacurrate and that no places or geographic entities can exist in a dead region. Even the regional government website already redirects to new regional entity https://armm.gov.ph. Take a look at the contents of the above geography stubs category. Most of them are articles on municipalities that left the old region, now defunct, and formed this new one through a legitimate plebiscite. The speed by which wikipedia updates its information to provide accuracy at all times is lost to bureaucracy.--RioHondo (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reason as bellow. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People from the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:People from Bangsamoro –C2D/C2C Newly inaugurated region replaced defunct region RioHondo (talk) 18:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Populated places in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Populated places in Bangsamoro
- Category:Cities in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Cities in Bangsamoro
- Category:Municipalities of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Municipalities of Bangsamoro
- Category:Provincial governors in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Provincial governors in Bangsamoro
- Category:Politics of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Politics of Bangsamoro
- The defunct region still has it's own article (Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) and own categorys (‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao so oppose these moves. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- I can create new subcats for the new region it was replaced with, sure. But the above permcats would be emptied as no region can co-exist with another in the same territorial jurisdiction. The defunct article and few subcategories are kept for historical purpose and only those that pertain to its defunct government structure and political history. But the above People, Populated places, Politics, they continue under the new region.--RioHondo (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- The defunct region still has it's own article (Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) and own categorys (‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao so oppose these moves. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. The dead ARMM existed. Someone who was alive during the ARMM days and is now dead can claim not to be from the Bangsamoro Region, and categorizing someone who is from not "that place" is outright false. The geographical extend of the ARMM and Bangsamoro (and indeed the ARMM during its existence) wasn't coterminous, so it wasn't a simple renaming. This like saying Pocahontas is from the United States. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- If ever this is sent to the usual CFD, I request the removal of the ARMM categories be reverted until there's consensus for renaming or deletion. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Howard the Duck Yup, we can continue discussing this in CFD. But a person born between 1989 and 2018 who is from that region will be a hard find. Remember this only existed for less than 20 years, and so those people categorized as from being the ARMM are actually inacurrate, as i said you have to be born from August 1989 and Feb 26 2019 to be accurately categorized as such (which luckily we don't have, as the people from region category is just a container category with links to people by individual component province as we do most other regional people categories). All of the above permcats were container categories, no article really fell under any of them as we do articles per province here really. We don't do people by historical entities here either, cos if we did, many of those BLPs should have been categorized as from being Category:People from Moro Province or Category:People from the Department of Mindanao and Sulu. :)--RioHondo (talk) 06:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? People born between 1989 and 2018 in the ARMM number in the millions. People who satisfy the notability criteria reduces this, but there are still many people. This isn't reduced to people who were born in that time; you'd also include people who were living from 1989 to 2003. Now whether is this is a container or you'd actually categorize people in this category is another question, but that shouldn't be a factor on whether this should be renamed or not.
- "We don't do people by historical entities", but we can. It'll be interesting who were people who were living at the time Ambos Camarines was a thing. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Let's see...Do those young ISIL-linked combatants have WP articles? Of course, there are millions but we know regional BLPs are scarce around here, and especially from that troubled southern region. It will just be another unnecesarry layer in our already underpopulated people categories which we do by current provincial setup. Sure, we get one from Ambos Camarines, one for Sultanate of Maguindanao, a couple from Moro Province, and maybe nil for Lepanto-Bontoc and Kedatuan of Dapitan. These cats would just merged and/or deleted given the scarcity. I am also merely following what is already there, and your proposal will be just as bizarre as having a Category:People from Manila (province) and a Category:People from Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes people from Valenzuela at the time when Valenzuela was still not part of Metro Manila LOL. Again, Bangsamoro is basically still ARMM except that it added Cotabato City and a few other barangays like Metro Manila did with Valenzuela. And can you imagine having a Category:Populated places in Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes Valenzuela? That's messed up IMHO.--RioHondo (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- See WP:SMALLCAT. Millions of people lived at the old ARMM, not just ISIL combatants. Even those rebels should be plentiful. The political dynasts are plentiful. Who knows we might even see sportspeople and celebrities. ISIL combatants are an infinitesimal percentage of the people who lived in the ARMM. We can have a category for Representatives from Lanao del Sur, categorized in both ARMM and BARMM. You could do the same for Ambos Camarines, Lepanto-Bontoc, Kedatuan of Dapitan, Maynila (province), which are all dissolved entities. We can even do a category of Kingdom of Maynila officeholders. Dunno about Bulacan as it's still existing. Several provinces annexed and lost tows in history, dunno how that compares to already dissolved entities such as the ARMM, as long categorization is concerned, which is what not I'm saying. Dunno how that bizarrely got into the conversation.
- Let's see...Do those young ISIL-linked combatants have WP articles? Of course, there are millions but we know regional BLPs are scarce around here, and especially from that troubled southern region. It will just be another unnecesarry layer in our already underpopulated people categories which we do by current provincial setup. Sure, we get one from Ambos Camarines, one for Sultanate of Maguindanao, a couple from Moro Province, and maybe nil for Lepanto-Bontoc and Kedatuan of Dapitan. These cats would just merged and/or deleted given the scarcity. I am also merely following what is already there, and your proposal will be just as bizarre as having a Category:People from Manila (province) and a Category:People from Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes people from Valenzuela at the time when Valenzuela was still not part of Metro Manila LOL. Again, Bangsamoro is basically still ARMM except that it added Cotabato City and a few other barangays like Metro Manila did with Valenzuela. And can you imagine having a Category:Populated places in Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes Valenzuela? That's messed up IMHO.--RioHondo (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- What is now Myanmar was once named Burma, and the majority of WP categories having to do with Burma were redirected to those encompassing Myanmar. While "Burma" is still used colloquially in some cases, the current, official name of the country is Republic of the Union of Myanmar. It seems to me that "people from ARRM" can just as easily be sorted as "people from [any province within the former ARMM]", thus avoiding any need for a category like "people from Bangsomoro". Just saying. Her Pegship (speak) 01:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, Bangsamoro being the successor region is the one that has to have all these subcats whereas the ARMM should be treated from a historical perspective from this point. If the plebiscite didn't involve a somewhat different government structure and a little enlargement, this could have easily just been renamed or moved to the current name. But we are keeping the ARMM as a distinct historical entity but all the rest that does not pertain to its former political structure and history should fall under the new region. See this: https://armm.gov.ph--RioHondo (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Howard the Duck Yup, we can continue discussing this in CFD. But a person born between 1989 and 2018 who is from that region will be a hard find. Remember this only existed for less than 20 years, and so those people categorized as from being the ARMM are actually inacurrate, as i said you have to be born from August 1989 and Feb 26 2019 to be accurately categorized as such (which luckily we don't have, as the people from region category is just a container category with links to people by individual component province as we do most other regional people categories). All of the above permcats were container categories, no article really fell under any of them as we do articles per province here really. We don't do people by historical entities here either, cos if we did, many of those BLPs should have been categorized as from being Category:People from Moro Province or Category:People from the Department of Mindanao and Sulu. :)--RioHondo (talk) 06:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- If ever this is sent to the usual CFD, I request the removal of the ARMM categories be reverted until there's consensus for renaming or deletion. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:Standards organizations in the Netherlands to Category:Standards organisations in the Netherlands – C2C: per the convention in ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Organisations based in the Netherlands. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Paramilitary organizations based in the Netherlands to Category:Paramilitary organisations based in the Netherlands
- Category:Nonviolence organizations based in the Netherlands to Category:Nonviolence organisations based in the Netherlands
- Category:Consumer organizations in the Netherlands to Category:Consumer organisations in the Netherlands
- Category:Child-related organizations in the Netherlands to Category:Child-related organisations in the Netherlands
- Oppose. @Armbrust, it's time to standardise on the "Z" spelling. See the RFC at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RFC:_spelling_of_"organisation"/"organization"_in_descriptive_category_names. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support the worldwide standardisation RfC is unlikely to be passed, and consistency is important. SportingFlyer T·C 18:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Komsomolsk to Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Horishni Plavni – C2D per Hirnyk-Sport Horishni Plavni, town was renamed in 2016. Tagged by anon in January, not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 14:58, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Komsomolsk managers to Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Horishni Plavni managers
- Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Komsomolsk players to Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport Horishni Plavni players
- There is a pending question on the article talk page, why not simply FC Hirnyk-Sport and Category:FC Hirnyk-Sport? Waiting for the page mover, User:Dem1997 to reply. – Fayenatic London 15:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Australia to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Australia – C2C per Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country Danski454 (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in New Zealand
- Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Canada to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Canada
- Oppose at least speedy. The main articles of the categories are Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Australia, Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in New Zealand and Catholic sexual abuse cases in Canada. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- I suggest placing this one on hold until this related discussion closes. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Done. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, Black Falcon, and Danski454: that discussion has been closed, renaming Category:Christian sex abuse cases to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Christianity. Is another discussion needed for the Category:Catholic sex abuse cases hierarchy? – Fayenatic London 08:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Don't you think the speedy could proceed as normal now again? PPEMES (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Certainly not as nominated, since we have moved away from "sex abuse cases". Is it sufficiently clear what the new names should be? e.g. Category:Catholic Church child sexual abuse scandals in Australia? – Fayenatic London 11:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Don't you think the speedy could proceed as normal now again? PPEMES (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Documentary films about Roman Catholicism to Category:Documentary films about the Catholic Church – WP:C2C: Per below. PPEMES (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Films about Roman Catholicism to Category:Films about the Catholic Church – WP:C2C: Category:Catholic media, Category:Catholic Church. No other category exists with the formula "Roman Catholicism". Roman Catholicism redirects to Catholic Church, so also WP:C2D could be considered. PPEMES (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose above two. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 6#Category:Films about Roman Catholicism was closed as no consensus. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough, although this time the rationale was expanded and the case more clear that this was the isolated exception to a quite extensive category tree. Follow-up here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 22. PPEMES (talk) 13:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Ready for deletion
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