== Why was the list of emergency workers killed on 9/11 deleted? ==
I often read that article to honor their legacy, but the article was deleted and I’d like to know why and preferably have it reinstated [[Special:Contributions/108.31.227.41|108.31.227.41]] ([[User talk:108.31.227.41|talk]]) 23:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, Star Mississippi! You might be interested in endorsing an essay in which creation I participated – WP:NOCONFED. Of course, this is just a suggestion, nothing more. Cheers! — Sundostundmppria(talk / contribs) 22:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll look into this. StarMississippi 17:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rewards_for_Justice_Terror_List
Can you please bring back the Reward For Justice Terror List page helped keep with who the most wanted terrorists in the world and update me when someone on the list has been killed or captured Clayweintraub (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Clayweintraub. Please file a deletion review. As an AfD I cannot restore it unilaterally
You do not appear to have edited the article aside from the closed AfD. Can you please clarify how you came across it? StarMississippi 15:26, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy to have help improving and submitting this draft so the subject gets included on Wikipedia. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, as always, @FloridaArmy for flagging your drafts. Will get to this as soon as I'm able. I've been offline for a bit so may take longer than normal, but he looks interesting. Have a good day! StarMississippi 20:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Soft Delete" text on AfD closings
When an AfD is closed with a "soft delete," I see the text that says something about "Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion")...." Where does that text come from? Is it part of the AFD-closer automated thingy? (Try not to be intimidated by my technical language there.) Or is it something that is pasted in from a source somewhere? Joyous! | Talk 09:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Joyous!. Yes, that's the script. I find it super helpful as it autopopulates information like that, and does all the steps needed. Inevitably I would forget one. The script is so easy to close and I highly recommend it if you close a lot of AfDs. StarMississippi 17:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I asked because I DO use it, and "soft delete" isn't one of my options. Now I am really puzzled. Joyous! | Talk 17:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
oh wow. That's definitely odd. I don't use Chrome so am no help there unfortunately. Tested it in Safari and it works fine there as well as Firefox where I use it.
I see you found the Talk page I was just going to scan for any other folks experiencing this and I'm following that thread to see what the answer is. I also get a "soft redirect", which I don't actually understand since from my POV, a soft redirect comes from BLAR and one at AfD establishes consensus. StarMississippi 22:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. That's what I get for editing while coming down off dental work. Edited for coherence. Thanks for flagging. StarMississippi 01:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah that makes much more sense! Thanks. Thryduulf (talk) 01:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't drink and drive or drool and edit! StarMississippi 02:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Brad Jacobs
Gannymetis was someone who I was told is no longer with the company and I have no association with them.Freightguy1975 (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kevin G. Chapman
Star -- first, thank you for taking the time to create a page for me (hopefully this comment shows up as from Kevingchapman). I want to explain the issue about our location. I realize that there are sources on the internet that will come up in a search that identify me as a resident of West Windsor, New Jersey. I have since amended my current biographies to say "central New Jersey" due to security concerns. In my day job, I am sometimes involved in contentious issues as a lawyer that impact individuals who are angry with me personally. As a result, my phone number and address are unlisted and there is a potential threat to my own safety and the safety of my family if certain people find my address. I understand that my Wikipedia page is not the only source of such information, but giving someone a particularly easy source like Wikipedia is concerning and I would truly appreciate it if you would leave my location as Central New Jersey, which is good enough to let people know the general area, but not so specific that someone with ill intentions would be more easily able to track me down. I appreciate your consideration. You can feel free to correspond with me at <redacted>. Again, thank you for creating a page for me. I am flattered.]] KevinGChapman (talk) 23:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @KevinGChapman. I totally understand your concerns, although I work in a different industry. I'm copying @Discospinster here for their opinion on your request to central New Jersey, or even just New Jersey as I'm not sure the specific region is key to your bio. You'll note I removed your email address from public view. Editors who wish to be in touch but not via your talk page will use a feature that masks your email unless you reply. Thank you and your wife for communicating with us about your article. It makes it much easier. StarMississippi 00:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Computer Museum of America
Hello, I received your note on my edits to Computer Museum of America. Thanks for the information out posting to Wikipedia. I am not employed by the museum. Almost all the information on the Wikipedia page on the museum was created by employees/other volunteers. I do though ensure information about the museum is accurate and complete, on their site (which I do, at no charge, maintain). As they are a non-profit, they do not have budget for people to maintain all the places information is kept on the museum.
I am in the computer and software space. And my wife is the museum's first executive director. However, I've been working with the museum before it opened and hired her to run it. I'm a volunteer who just wants to ensure information is out there, accurate and complete. And given it's only 3 years old, there aren't many people out there who know about it. There is no conflict of interest.
My user name (newbrew2) is my handle (well, newbrew is) everywhere. I first used it in the 80s on bulletin boards where I discussed brewing beer. I then bought the newbrew.com domain back in the early to mid 90s and used it to, in general, promote who I am, what I do, my family and more.
Thanks for the information on posting to Wikipedia. ~~~~ Newbrew2 (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice to meet you, @Newbrew2. That connection via your spouse is still considered a Conflict of Interest as defined here. That said, the edits you made were fine and we appreciate your help. You just should probably use the WP:Edit request system.A few of us are watching the Talk page and can help with the edits you'd like to make. StarMississippi 15:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Crova6
You're fighting a losing battle. I would have blocked them indefinitely, but I consider myself WP:INVOLVED. However, if they keep it up, I may block them anyway ("In straightforward cases (e.g., blatant vandalism), the community has historically endorsed the obvious action of any administrator – even if involved – on the basis that any reasonable administrator would have probably come to the same conclusion."). Just because they're a kid doesn't mean they should be given more leeway.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh without a doubt. At first I thought we were dealing with genuine misunderstanding, which is why I just protected the redirect. Actually, two fold: I wasn't sure how to pblock him from a redirect, and also I figured we'd have classmate friends with schools closed this week. But now we're at the name calling stage which is never going to end well. I really wish we could have WP:No one cares about your school if they live outside the district because it's so true, and those who do live there care way too much. I'm going to be offline shortly for the bulk of the day so feel free to step in at the next round. I'd have zero issue with you blocking. StarMississippi 16:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pblocking a redirect is no different from pblocking any page. Indefinite full protection was probably not best in my view; effectively, it is like salting the name of the page. I'm not a big fan of pblocking generally, but an indefinite pblock would probably have been more appropriate, at least if you're against a sitewide block.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks re: pblock how to. I didn't see indef as an issue given there's almost no case where this school will merit an article, but if he gets blocked/bored, I'll undo the SALT. Feel free to ping me, or do it yourself if I forget. StarMississippi 17:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You might be watching the page, but in case you're not @Bbb23, I've unprotected it. I'll p-block (or greater) Crova if they return and resume the edits, but they appear to have stopped editing for the moment StarMississippi 17:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am still watching the page, although not permanently. After you removed the protection, for some reason you changed the pp template instead of removing it. I removed it, although a bot would have come along and done it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the fix. For some reason, Twinkle page (un)protect glitches on me but not predictably enough that I can see what I'm doing wrong. StarMississippi 17:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've used Twinkle to protect a page and add the icon, but I've never done the opposite. Not surprising as I don't remember ever unprotecting a page.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Turns out I'm wrong. I've unprotected 42 pages over the years, the last one being a year ago. Next time I do it (a year from now?) I'll use Twinkle. As if I'll remember...--Bbb23 (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the caveat that I really don't understand this, I get this dialog box, and hit OK - but the lock remains on User:Star Mississippi/Protection Test. That definitely seems like a bug or at least not desired behavior. @Novem Linguae any ideas? I can post at WT:Twinkle, but I'm not sure what I'm asking you/others to do. For context, @Bbb23's note at 17:09 explains the issue.
Show and tell for protection lockStarMississippi 18:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Howdy! Yes, feel free to use WT:TWINKLE in the future, I think it'd be more organized, and would also allow crowdsourcing to kick in since there are some other Twinkle devs (although I am the most active at the moment). I was unable to reproduce this in my testwiki sandbox. What are exact steps to reproduce please? Example: 1) create page named X with content Y. 2) open TW->PP module. 3) select preset Full Protection->Generic (full), 4) click "Submit query". 5) open TW->PP module. 6) select preset "Unprotection". 6) click "Submit query". What happened? Page still contains template pp-protected. What should have happened instead? Page should not contain template pp-protected. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Just posted on WT:Twinkle with (hopefully) info on what I did. StarMississippi 20:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:The Teresian School
Hello!
You gave me some helpful tips back in November for my draft page - I edited as advised, but have not received any feedback from any other users to push the page beyond draft. I wonder if you would revisit? It would be great to get the page published! Smccoo (talk) 12:34, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Smccoo. There is a backlog, but the article is in the queue to be reviewed, so hopefully you'll hear something soon. StarMississippi 19:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AfD buy one get one free
Hi Star! Thanks for closing the AfD for Rashad Hashim - do you think the AfD for Zina Mahjoub also can be closed? I think there is consensus for deletion but I'm not sure how many opinions are necessary, if there's an unofficial cutoff of sorts. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Apologies, I was offline. @Salvio giuliano got to it first, otherwise yes I'd have closed. thanks for flagging @Kazamzam! StarMississippi 22:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for stealing your thunder . Cheers. Salviogiuliano 22:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
always good to share the load! StarMississippi 22:22, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that there was a previous page at that name.
16:36, 9 October 2019 RHaworth talk contribs deleted page Draft:Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13).
Please could you retrieve it and merge the histories. It may produce more information to improve the draft.-- Toddy1(talk) 16:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here you go Draft:Abhijit Iyer Mitra @Toddy1. There wasn't much of anything viable in the old draft, but in case there was something you wanted to review. Text of the latter is also under the redirect at Draft:Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (old draft) following the history merge. Let me know if you need anything else. StarMississippi 16:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have left messages about this and the other article at User talk:Mixmon. He/she is the new user who created the articles on Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and Anand Ranganathan that got deleted. -- Toddy1(talk) 16:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Flagging for @Ohnoitsjamie who protected the latter. I'm not watching the draft, so please feel free to leave a note here or ping me if you need anything further. Have a great evening. StarMississippi 00:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you made a request for the other move and @Silikonz completed it. That was way beyond my skillset, tech wise @Toddy1StarMississippi 16:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, consensus is against it existing. Please wait until it's notable, and log into your account for future submissions. StarMississippi 16:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Here before deletion review because, no surprise, I disagree with the AfD outcome.
Did you give consideration to alternatives to deletion? If so, what?
Could the article be better written? Certainly. Is the state of the article supposed to determine notability? Not to my knowledge. But it seems to be the case here.
Before this, I had 3 of "my" new articles deleted, and one of those came back after appeal and improvement as an (stub) article. All three were related to "climate change" so I understand why they were suppressed for not supporting the desired wiki-narrative on climate. Of course it is interesting that climate change is involved in related ancient migrations long before major industrialization, but it's unrelated AFAIK.
I don't understand why Tommy Bolack was deleted. There were 3 Delete votes, but IMO only one !vote, mine, to Keep. I feel the delete votes were based on casual reads, personal value judgments - "routine stuff", "trivial events", "a coin" - as well as errors or misunderstandings.
This is not a standard WP:GNG type article, IMO. It doesn't fit well into the standard categories and overlaps with a few.
Several new sources including books and academic papers were added during the deletion discussion. These were not seriously considered IMO.
Nominator said "The museum he runs is likely more notable than he is as a person, we could perhaps redirect there, but that article would need to be created." He runs two museums, including one he personally started. He personally discovered at least one Ancestral_Puebloans community ruins, sponsors an annual field school for archaeologists, and has personally excavated at least a few sites.The work is used in published studies where he is credited or acknowledged. If this alone isn't enough to be "a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field" - archaeology of Ancestral_Puebloans ruins in the San Juan Basin, then I don't know what is.
WP:ANYBIO comment was not addressed. ""Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary."
If not un-deleted, please put a copy of the article under my user space so I can more easily improve or use portions elsewhere, like an article on the museumS. I added a lot after the latest archived version.
Thanks for consideration and any insights. -- Yae4 (talk) 17:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Yae4 and thanks for your note. Unfortunately, consensus was against your POV in terms of Bolard's notability. The delete votes were grounded in policy, as is your input here and there, but I would caution you away from arguments alleging your articles were deleted because they didn't fit a particular narrative. That does not happen. Articles are kept or deleted based on policy, which is what happened here. Bolack did not appear notable as a scholar or academic, even with the added sources, which was his primary route to notability. If you would like to go to DRV, I welcome it, as I have reread the discussion and don't see any other way I could have closed it, but happy for the community's input. If you're happy to have the info to merge it to his museum(s), I'm happy to do that and we don't need DRV. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. StarMississippi 17:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bolack (not Bolard) is not a formal scholar or academic, although he has done some scholarly work himself, and supports academic work by others. He is not a very famous radio personality, although he has hosted a radio program which was already mentioned in Wikipedia and maintains a KENN (AM) radio transmitter on his property IIUC. I don't know what wiki-criteria apply for notable collectors, but he is famous in collector circles and was already in wiki-articles for owning 16 of 19 2000_Sacagawea_dollar_–_Washington_quarter_mule known to exist - unique Mule_(coin)s. I don't know how many Cadillacs Elvis Presley had, but Bolack owns one of them. Anyway, I'm happy to have the draft article in my user space or wherever; a new museum article draft will need to be created. DRV is only more time spent for no progress (wasted), probably.
PS. Yeah, I should probably keep my opinions on Wiki-narrative-bias to myself, but wiki-policies are not very objective; they are fuzzy, and subject to manipulation and crowd behavior... 3 of 3 "contrarian" climate change wiki articles deleted looks like clear statistics to me. But sure, the sourcing was weak. :) -- Yae4 (talk) 18:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Collecting a number of gold coins or Elvis cadillacs is unfortunately not a route to notability. Academic notability does help non academics in some aspects, showing their contributions-but that wasn't the case here. StarMississippi 18:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
16 of 19 of the first known authentic mule coins to be released into circulation by the United States Mint. Makes me wonder how many privately owned museums exist in New Mexico; he owns 2. How many privately owned Puebloan era archaeology sites are in New Mexico; he owns several. How many fathers' ashes were spread over their ranch or farm, with fireworks on July 4, anywhere; only one time there. Sounds unique and interesting... :) Thanks! -- Yae4 (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep and his work sounds fascinating, but unique and interesting isn't necessarily notable. StarMississippi 19:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ali Sahib Abushanan
Hello Star Mississippi, I am a new member of Wikipedia, but I have knowledge of sources and writing without prejudice to any party, but I made a problem a while ago, even though I read Wikipedia's policies, but I did not notice that I had to wait 3 months to review my article in the name Ali Sahib Abushanan, and that my article was converted to the draft space and I did By moving it to the main space because I did not know, however, I hope you advise me whether the article will be deleted or not, and I hope that it will not be deleted, but the laws remain constant, even though I was a center in it, and I apologize and sincerely thank you. Ali.saheb99 (talk) 20:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your article was moved to draft (cc @Onel5969) and because you moved it again rather than wait for AfC reviewers, the community will decide whether Abushanan is notable or not. In the future, please wait for AfC as there is no deadline by which articles need to be live StarMississippi 20:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AfD Sion Jobbins
Hi, I am a little bemused by the close on the Sion Jobbins AfD and what happens next. There was only one !vote for merge, so the "merge" close looks a bit like a supervote. Redirect enjoyed greater support and would certainly have been a fair close. Now, as I understand it, you won't carry out the merge yourself, or do I have that wrong? But looking at the page, I would hesitate to carry out the merge either, because in my opinion, the mergeable content about Jobbins already exists on the YesCymru page. But if I simply redirect the page there, someone would be within their rights to suggest I have inappropriately ignored the merge close and redirected instead. Could you provide some guidance please? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be totally honest @Sirfurboy there is little distinction between merge and redirect closures. As you noted, the closer generally doesn't perform the merger and the editor(s) who do so, opt for how much information, if any to merge. This is why sometimes I will just redirect it in a close and say the history is under the redirect if folks want to merge any specific information. That said, while I read this as there was some desire for info about Jobbins to exist-the merge you referenced and Bearian's keep, I can also see how a redirect might be what's desired. I'll amend the close and reference this discussion. Let me know whether that works for you? Thanks for raising this. StarMississippi 16:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, yes, that is very helpful. Take care. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Star, hope all is well in your world. Would you mind having a look at a situation I'm trying to manage with an editor who keeps removing maintenance tags without resolving the underlying issues, COI tag removed four times, and other tags removed repeatedly. See User talk:L'Origine du monde beginning with the February 2023 section (I suggest reading through their talk page for insight); and at Talk:Art & Language starting with this section: Maintenance tag removal without fixing the underlying issues, and continuing on to these sections: Original research, COI tag (February 2023) and COI tag (March 2023). I know you are very busing here and in real life, so I hate to trouble you with a problem, however I am not one to report others to drama boards and always try to resolve issues through discussion instead. However I'm at my wits end, and am reaching out to get your take on the matter. Thank you in advance. Netherzone (talk) 21:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Sorry for the delay. Took advantage of some unseasonable weather and enjoyed a run. Going to review this now. Feel free to flag anything for me, always happy to help if I can. StarMississippi 01:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for looking into this Star Mississippi, and Cullen328, I will continue to clean up the remainder of the article. Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd hoped that one could !vote at an AFD without having bad-faith accusations afterwards, but here we have this comment from Lightburst saying that someone "turned up just to take a dump at the AfD" (which is probably directed at either me or scope_creep). I don't think this is consistent with WP:5P4, and the user has previously served a topic ban for battleground behaviour.
Due to various heated discussions between me and Lighburst in the past, it probably won't go down well if I send them a message. So I was wondering if you would consider raising this with them please? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ARS posted it for update a couple of days ago per WP:HEYMANN and 7&6 started to work on it but stopped, probably because there was nothing there. 70% of the reference were direct reference to the company website. Lightburst has been pretty bitter since he came back, in conversations I've had with him. He is probably peeved that they never had a chance to work on it. But he is a really nice guy. scope_creepTalk 10:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, scope_creep. If he is keen to keep working on the article, can he request that it is restored to Draftspace?
Hopefully he can avoid throwing aspersions around about other volunteers in future. I appreciate that the timing of this AfD was frustrating for him. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No. I would rather not see it restored to draftspace. It is a private company with no coverage. WP is not an advertising platform, although the WMF really doesn't care about it, and its one of the things that will eventually sink the place. If we were to move the platform tommorrow, we would leave this trash behind. There seems to be a kind of laissez-faire approach where we are slowly becoming a directory of private american companies. But is an advertisement plain and simple. Written as an advertisement to advertise. But even if it wasn't an advertisement, and there was a genuine attempt to present it as encyclopedic article with some vision of history or aspect incorporated into it, it would be still be a private company There is dozens to hundreds of precious metal dealers in every country on the planet. It is very common to see them is particularly places. One of thousands.There is nothing unique nor special about this company. scope_creepTalk 11:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not just American companies nor only companies. scope_creepTalk 11:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oddly, I agree with lightburst solely in that when I first loaded it to close, I expected to relist since there didn't appear to be a consensus. But when I read the discussion, I realized Dream's was a delete in spirit and no one was arguing to keep. Scope, I think even beyond your TNT comment, which I agree with, the reason I also disagree with draftification in this case is Dream's point that if they were legit what the article claimed, there would be sources and there aren't. Another week at AfD or six months in draft space isn't going to fix that. That's the other challenge with companies in general. If you stub back to pre spam versions, you're essentially an A7. We really need a better process for dealing with companies.
Given light's "closed as FUBAR", I'll drop a note. It probably won't end well, but I'm willing to try. ARS could be good if we had more folks like Cunard and CT55555 who do the work to back up their input and less GRAR, but that's a larger issue. StarMississippi 14:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I just saw the discussion about me here. I respect the close, but thank you for reaching out. It is entirely editor frustration on my part. If you read the Mrs. Snoozy Turtle thread at ANI you will see that she has been following the ARS to ivote angularly. I felt it was fubar for them to come and crap on another AfD that I posted as an improvement project. For more proof of their angular ivoting see another one I posted at ARS last night Henry Payne. So my fubar reference and taking a dump statement had nothing to do with your close. The MST has been an absolutely terrible follower - never once improving any article at ARS. Multiple times needling and provoking. And occasionally going to an article that made it through ARS/AfD as keep and eviscerating it. Lightburst (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Scope creep: I want to also make a correction, I have not been bitter in conversations with you. The first day I came back to editing this was your message to me and my response. Other than that I do not communicate with you - I did mention this AfD at ANI when you someone took you there for "revenge afDs". I am writing articles and improving articles. Occasionally participating in AfD. I mostly avoid your many AfDs like the restaurant ones. I was familiar with this company and was going to take a stab at improving it. unfortunately I was busy with the Henry Payne article. Maybe I would have failed, but I never just driveby ivote the way MST does. Lightburst (talk) 01:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response and the link to the background @Lightburst. Editor frustration is understandable. While I do share @Scope creep's reservations about private companies in draft space, but if you find sources when you have time, I'm happy to provide the history if it's helpful for attribution. StarMississippi 15:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen you around and you do good work. Thanks for being a great volunteer. I see MST rescinded their delete on the Henry Payne article - perhaps a small miracles which arose from this discussion? Maybe someday I will recreate APMEX from scratch - the deleted article would be no help. For now I agree with SC that the RS is not there. Lightburst (talk) 16:55, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi! If you, as an administrator, want to accuse me of a COI on Art and Language I am sure there is a way to do it correctly. I find it extremely offensive when it is made as an unpleasant insinuation and strongly refute it. I believe that you owe me an apology, especially since you refused me an apology and claimed that I don't understand policy. I have checked, and I think you are supposed to " raise the issue in a civil manner on the editor's talk page, which is the first step in resolving user-conduct issues, per the DR policy, "
WP:COICOIN♥ L'Origine du monde ♥♥ Talk ♥ 18:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't owe you an apology. I showed you the courtesy of not templating you due to your long tenure, which is why it wasn't on your talk. Let's leave the discussion on the article talk so it's all in one place and so all interested editors can participate? StarMississippi 14:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have been rude, and unpleasant, and owe me an apology. You do not have the right to repeatedly make vague accusations in article space. I have clearly linked you to the relevant policy and you should reply here or on my talk page, rather than making further accusations on the article talk page. Either apologise or report me you rude and unpleasant editor. If you want to make unfounded accusations of COI editing please do it in the correct place, and listen to my replies. I am pretty f*cking sure that if you ask me if I am COI editing and I say I am not have to either accept my reply or make a formal complaint. As far as I can see you are just being rude and unpleasant, refusing to answer my questions on Art and Language talk page, after distorting my reply. Generally I have a very bad impression of you. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥♥ Talk ♥ 23:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi SM. Just FYI: at least according to my nav popup, LOM uses she/her pronouns. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for flagging, I have fixed that. Which popup does that, do you know off hand? No worries if not. StarMississippi 01:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, I love the look of the little box. Also useful to know which rights someone holds. Thanks @FormalDudeStarMississippi 01:33, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Weekend attrition at ANI, I suppose. But yes, I agree with you I wish something had happened. I got caught up in another mess this weekend and hadn't had a chance to look at their edits, but would support something if you re-file at ANI citing their refusal to accept the redirects. I haven't seen more yet but also haven't had coffee StarMississippi 13:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized, should I have put that on the "incidents" board? Onel5969TT me 02:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think given how intractable his conduct is, it doesn't matter which. AN gets less traffic so won't die an archive death this time, hopefully. StarMississippi 02:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So passion for darts = lack of manners, apparently @Onel5969? I guess I'm in good company being an "idiot". StarMississippi 17:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did I miss something? Don't know how many folks would consider themselves in good company if equated with me. Onel5969TT me 17:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yeah, saw that and commented on it when I sent it to AfD (where he added another personal attack). Was unaware that there was this much vehemence and vitriol involved in darts. I thought that was only confined to FOOTY and ROADS articles. Penepi has the same philosophy as JRRobinson (who still doesn't get it, based upon their latest comment on their talk page). Onel5969TT me 00:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw the latter. Wow. But I'm sure they'll be blocked again soon due to the lack of getting it.
If I never touch another NFOOTY AfD, it would be lovely. I see I might need to add darts to that list StarMississippi 00:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note regarding revdel
Hi! I noticed that you recently deleted seven revisions on Christian influences on the Islamic world as violations of copyright. Thank you for taking the time to patrol copyright violations. Jst as a quick note, the violations were still present in the then-live version of the page when the revdel occurred. I understand that this was an easy mistake to make; I've removed the copyvio and added a tag to request revdel. When you get the change, would you be willing to give that a look? — Red-tailed hawk(nest) 04:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just passing by, but Done. Primefac (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know it was 4+ months ago, but do you happen to remember where the copyvio for this was located? Tool isn't showing a violation, but it does look like it's matching something. Primefac (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's copy pasted out of the manuals, which are mostly on here mixed with some product descriptions. Since it's not from one source, I knew the G12 could go either way. Hoping G13 will take care of it since the creator didn't return. Let me know if that's helpful. StarMississippi 12:48, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is, thanks. Sometimes a bit hard to do a revdel/G12 check when nothing's showing as a copyvio! Primefac (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The CV tools are amazing, but they get stymied by the more inside and fancy website designs, unfortunately. StarMississippi 13:04, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there,
You recently reverted my edit to 'Annapolis County, Nova Scotia' and I was wondering if you could provide and explanation as to why?
Many thanks,
ProfAuthor ProfAuthor (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @ProfAuthor. Unfortunately you used copyrighted text, mostly from here. This isn't allowed due to Wikipedia's licensing. Please be sure to avoid that going forward. Does this help? StarMississippi 16:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. LizRead!Talk! 21:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Closure request?
We could do with someone uninvolved to close this one, in case you are willing?
I would have, but I was sleeping. Thanks for flagging and have a great day @CT55555StarMississippi 11:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I assume in your close you intended the 33 AfDs OP, not a big deal but as the actual OP of the thread I would appreciate it if you could slighty rephrase the closing statement and remove the ambiguity. --Cavarrone 08:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At least you know people are listening when you speak! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A Barn Star Mississippi
The Women in Red Barnstar
For your efforts to create and improve biographical articles about women, especially women artists. It is greatly appreciated by me. Thanks for doing your bit to counter systemic inequity on Wikipedia CT55555(talk) 18:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
THank you! Always fun to collaborate with you StarMississippi 12:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Editor User talk:BeanieFan11#Garbage Bowl just knocked off the Proposed Deletion you nom'd so I set him a challenge there to add some sources from the multitude... Best, Plutonium27 (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC) PS. Long time since, ay? (see me user page!)[reply]
Oh wow, you're definitely a wonderful blast from the past. Hope you're well. Glad to see you around again.
I'm pinging @Rorshacma: as a heads up too as they originally PRODded it. I just restored it following a clean up of copyrighted text. Will look into this at the weekend. StarMississippi 01:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway I've been checking out this Garbage Bowl bacchanalia and it seems like it was a big deal - up until about 25 years ago. I've messaged User: Rorshacma about finding/adding more recent coverage and will keep my eye on it. Plutonium27 (talk) 22:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is when I miss Possibly (prior incarnation, ThatMontrealIP). They'd have found some good offline/paywalled sources, which may well be what's needed. PS: look down, it's a reunion StarMississippi 01:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
just popping by, 3 years later. I had lost my pw and didn't have a way to recover it. Found it recently in an old file. Good to see you editing a bit here and there! I don't know that I'll be back around much, but at least now I can be :-) Hope you're well. I'm f-ing DONE with snow. I can't even fathom how I haven't moved away from this tundra yet. Keeper | 76 01:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
oh, wow. Welcome back my friend. Some things and faces have changed, but others very much not. Hope you stay. I was referencing ANK somewhere not too long ago. Hope you have been well, snow aside. We're the land that snow forgot this season and it's surreal.
Will 2023 be the first year of NYY/Twinkies and NYG/Vikes playoffs in the same year? StarMississippi 01:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So in a couple of minutes you read all of this, completely studied all of the arguments and lines-of-thought presented, wrapped your head around the discussion long enough to see both points of view, researched the links provided, wrote up the delete (or merge, same thing) by deciding that the Delete arguments had a better case even though they cited BLP1E which doesn't apply to this situation (which was, if you recall from your reading, their only argument in favor). And thus deleted the article about the iconic oldest winner in Survivor history. Can you, please, take another look at the discussion and research the use of WP:BLP1E and WP:LPI, its linked back-up which must be met to apply, and consider a reversal of the close, a 'Keep' verdict, or even a "no consensus" verdict which may be most applicable here, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're not reconsidering the closure, are you? I thought your result was the right decision. Even when Crowley is the oldest winner at the time to this date, I still have a hard time believing a stand-alone article needs re-salvage. The "delete/redirect" votes were more convincing to me than "keep" ones. --George Ho (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@George Ho @Randy Kryn thank you for your notes. No, I'm not reconsidering my close. It took me more than a couple of minutes last night and this morning when I reread it after your notes and I hae come to the same conclusion. Randy, I understand that you feel strongly, but consensus was not with you in this case. My read of those citing BLP1E is that the reason he was in other coverage is because he won Survivor, which brought us right back to not meeting Entertainer/Actor. You'll note I did not close the other Survivor articles as in those cases I had an opinion, but didn't cast a !vote. In this particular case I could read the AfD as a neutral admin and I believe I closed it within policy. If you believe I am wrong-and I'm certainly not infallible-you have my support in filing a DRV since I know we both agree we want the discussion closed correctly. StarMississippi 10:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your extended answer. But...the fact that he signed up for, and then agreed to go on Survivor when chosen (regardless if he won or was set to sea the first week), and then wrote a book and agreed to be interviewed about the camp that he opened, upends WP:LPI which, linked to WP:BLP1E, is essential. I never riddled that out before either, but it seems true! Randy Kryn (talk) 12:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While not as problematic as athletes or wrestlers (thankfully), I think reality show contestants are complex. They garner attention, but it's an open question of whether it reaches the level of biographical notability. Below is my assessment of the !votes, while not a headcount. Note, those of you who weighed in with back and forth are considered collectively as your overall input, not one specific piece of it. Does that help you with where I landed on this? Going to be offline for a bit but happy to continue the discussion. StarMississippi 16:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
Delete with weight:
Nom
Xxanthippe
Jeppiz, although I feel a trout is unnecessary as you're collectively arguing in good faith
JoelleJay
hroest
Redirect with weight:
Frank Anchor
Ghost of Dan
fuzzy510, although could be stronger
Oaktreeb
Keep, with weight:
your own input, Randy Kryn
Lightburst
Suriname0
Pershkoviski, although same issue as below basing on winnig
Delete, lesser weight:
Keep,lesser weight:
KatoKungLee /Thecheeseistalking/DavidLeeLambert - since winning = keep isn't policy, these don't add much
Why was the list of emergency workers killed on 9/11 deleted?
I often read that article to honor their legacy, but the article was deleted and I’d like to know why and preferably have it reinstated 108.31.227.41 (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
. Cheers. Salvio giuliano 22:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Done. Primefac (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
