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Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Alsasua at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 04:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, are you intending on transcluding this? If so, I'd recommend doing so sooner rather than later. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I realized that it is ineligible due to the date rules Elli A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 06:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Mind nominating it for speedy deletion, then? Elli (talk | contribs) 15:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Done, thank you Elli! Didn't realize I was supposed to do that :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 16:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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The Royal Commission on Animal Magnetism (DYK)

User:A. C. Santacruz Upon reflection, I (100%) agree with you that the second "hook" is ever so much better than the first. Lindsay658 (talk) 01:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Lindsay, I'm glad you agree! I see now that your DYK is now in the prep area, I can't wait to see it in the home page and for more people to learn about the topic :D --A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 01:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

User:A. C. Santacruz Somebody has just (very sensibly) dropped the "The" from the title of the article -- which now appears as Royal Commission on Animal Magnetism. My concern is the question whether (or not) the "hook" for the DYK entry needs to be changed to match the article's new, revised, and more suitable title. If it does need to be changed, I have no means to do so, and wondered if you could amend the entry appropriately? Thanks. Lindsay658 (talk) 05:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Lindsay I think this should not be an issue, as the hook still makes perfect sense. IIRC there is some mention in the DYK procedure description that says something along the lines of "the hook's wording may be altered after successful review without asking the author to do so, as this would be too burdensome for the process" or something like that. So if any change is needed it will most likely happen without us knowing. --A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 06:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

User:A. C. Santacruz Most relieved to read your explanation. Thanks for alleviating my concerns. Lindsay658 (talk) 07:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome, Lindsay658! A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 16:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Daisy (advertisement)

Hello! Your submission of Daisy (advertisement) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BuySomeApples (talk) 18:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

It's not my submission but I added my comment BuySomeApples A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 20:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Whoops sorry @A.C. Santacruz: I must have put this on the wrong talk page hehe. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of RSS Panglima

Hello! Your submission of RSS Panglima at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Gaia ship

On 31 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gaia ship, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that a Viking ship sailed to Brazil? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gaia ship. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gaia ship), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Ethiopia in the Middle Ages

On 31 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ethiopia in the Middle Ages, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that medieval Ethiopian kings claimed to be descended from Solomon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ethiopia in the Middle Ages. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ethiopia in the Middle Ages), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Schwede66 12:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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WikiCup 2021 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, Lee Vilenski, BennyOnTheLoose, Amakuru and Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

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DYK for James Sofronas

On 6 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James Sofronas, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that racing driver James Sofronas worked as a salesman for a technology company to buy the Nissan NX 2000 required for his first competitive race? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James Sofronas. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, James Sofronas), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Silver Deer of Bilge Khan

On 6 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Silver Deer of Bilge Khan, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the Silver Deer of Bilge Khan, a 7th-century artifact, is recognized by the Mongolian government as being of "invaluable heritage"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Silver Deer of Bilge Khan. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Silver Deer of Bilge Khan), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Incomplete DYK nomination

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DYK for Method of moments (electromagnetics)

On 8 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Method of moments (electromagnetics), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that method of moments is one of the most common simulation techniques in RF and microwave engineering (example pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Method of moments (electromagnetics). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Method of moments (electromagnetics)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Women's suffrage in New Jersey

On 10 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Women's suffrage in New Jersey, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that women originally had the right to vote in New Jersey thanks to its constitution until an 1807 act removed that right? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Women's suffrage in New Jersey. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Women's suffrage in New Jersey), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Escaped plant

On 10 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Escaped plant, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that garden refugees can become invasive in the wild? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Escaped plant. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Escaped plant), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Precious

nominate articles

Thank you for quality articles such as Battle of Mayals, for nominating articles by others for Did you know ...? such as Escaped plant and Women's suffrage in New Jersey, for reviewing, for your essay about taking responsibility, for feeling responsible for the Carlist Wars, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2649 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

• Wow, this is completely unexpected (especially since I feel I'm still a complete newbie to contributing to Wikipedia)! Thanks so much Gerda :D Hope you enjoy your weekend A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nomination period closing soon

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DYK nomination of Benjamin William Page

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DYK for RSS Panglima

On 15 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article RSS Panglima, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that RSS Panglima was the first ship of the Republic of Singapore Navy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/RSS Panglima. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, RSS Panglima), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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On 19 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article HMS Obdurate (1916), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that British M-class destroyers such as HMS Obdurate were built to counter German ships that did not exist? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Obdurate (1916). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, HMS Obdurate (1916)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK nomination of Bob Zellner

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Francisco de Goya - Escena de Inquisición - Google Art Project.jpg

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DYK for Benjamin William Page

On 25 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Benjamin William Page, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Admiral Benjamin William Page was tasked with announcing the start of the Napoleonic Wars to the East Indies, using HMS Caroline (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin William Page. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Benjamin William Page), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for John Wells (Royal Navy officer)

On 26 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Wells (Royal Navy officer), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Royal Navy officer John Wells managed to escape the Nore mutiny through a gun port in his ship, returning later to accept the mutineers' surrender? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Wells (Royal Navy officer). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, John Wells (Royal Navy officer)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, A. C. Santacruz

Thank you for creating Evergrande default crisis.

User:MarioGom, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Good job! Please, consider moving the article to Evergrande liquidity crisis. As far as I can see, the default did not happen yet, so the current title can be considered WP:CRYSTALBALL.

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Thanks MarioGom! Will do A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 11:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Bob Zellner

On 28 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bob Zellner, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that civil rights activist Bob Zellner was arrested at least 25 times and severely beaten on several occasions for his activism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Zellner. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bob Zellner), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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October 2021 at Women in Red

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DYK for Elite panic

On 3 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elite panic, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that during disaster events, elites will typically shift the focus away from disaster relief towards measures of command and control, a behaviour referred to as elite panic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elite panic. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Elite panic), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate

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DYK for Julian Filipowicz

On 13 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Julian Filipowicz, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that after Polish commander Julian Filipowicz was tortured and pronounced dead by the Gestapo, he escaped from the morgue? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Julian Filipowicz. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Julian Filipowicz), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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AGF

Hey A.C. Santacruz. I understand that you may feel strongly about the dispute going on at Talk:Éric Zemmour but the last sentence of this edit was wholly unnecessary in order to make your point. JBchrch talk 00:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

My bad, will append. I'm just stunned they would lie about what they cite. Thanks for letting me know I crossed the line there JBchrch ^u^ A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 01:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Last two sentences changed. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 01:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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Wrong request for closure

A. C. Santacruz, good evening, I intend to contest your request for closure, as 1/ you do not let 30 days for other contributors to comment, and (all the more) 2/ since it appears to me that you have asked it in order to enable a modification by you of the lead of the main article which would be a breach of WP:NPOV.
Therefore, I kindly ask you to withdraw this RfC you introduced today.--Emigré55 (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

My rfc closure was undone, but my request for closure still stands. I believe consensus was reached, and thus continuing that discussion is pointless Emigré55 A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 17:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Also, the whole point of the RfC had been that part of the lead -- I just edited according to what I saw was the consensus. Stop swinging WP: links around, it does not help your argument more than just saying what you mean by the link would (see WP:Wikilawyer). A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 17:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I try myself to stick to the rules; What in my opinion you do not in this case, as using this RfC to then introduce a modification of the lead as you did here, [1], is to me POV PUSHING and breach of the rules, for the reasons explained here, [2].--Emigré55 (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

A. C. Santacruz, I think Emigré55 is letting you know that they challenge your closure, per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE—although this was not strictly necessary since you brought the matter to WP:CR, which was the correct move. Please, both of you just chill and tread carefully. There is ample room for consensus here if we just think constructively and follow wiki-process. It would sadden me to see you both subject to an WP:IBAN. JBchrch talk 18:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

JBchrch yeah I went on to CR so that neither them nor I would have to be more involved than necessary. I see any further conversation between Emigré55 and myself both unhelpful to wikipedia due to the combative nature of our interactions and to each other due to the possibility of leading to either to temporary retirement, so I dont necessarily object to an IBAN. I addressed it would be best for me to stop interacting on the Zemmour page, and thought closing the RfCs was a good way of leaving it behind for all of us. I don't even know how Emigré found the closing request but their refusal to just let the discussion die off and move on to work on other parts of the project (which could probably use our inputs better) like I have is getting on my nerves. Per WP:YANI, we are not irreplaceable in the Zemmour page and in my opinion should help other parts of the project. My suggestion, seeing how they know French and are interested in ideology would be to help translate articles between fr and en wikis on the topic, but they can do whatever they want. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 18:47, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Just as an aside, Emigré55 I use she/her pronouns so do not use masculine pronouns for me A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 19:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

A. C. Santacruz, my apologies, I did not know you are a woman, and did not mean of course to offense you. By the same token, please do not use "they" or "their", talking about me (as here above), but "he". Thank you.--Emigré55 (talk) 19:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Emigré55 I did not know your gender (thus the use of they/their) as its use was somewhat hidden in your user page, but will make sure to use the proper pronouns from now on. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 19:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

A. C. Santacruz, As you further wrote at AN board "They have been disruptive while responding to my edits in this case", please amend.--Emigré55 (talk) 06:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

fixed. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 06:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Emigré55 If you want to be referred to as he/him, you should so indicate very prominently on your user page. Otherwise, everybody here uses they/them as default, so A. C. Santacruz did the right thing. JBchrch talk 15:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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Feedback request: Social sciences and society Good Article nomination

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No hard feelings?

Hi A. C. I just wanted to reach out to make sure that you had no hard feelings about the ANI/Eric Zemmour situation. You are absolutely valued as an editor and I hope this situation does not diminish your motivation to contribute to the project, even if you feel like taking some time off after this. Your DYK and FA picture track record speaks for itself! You have achieved a great deal in a very short amount of time and I sincerely hope to continue seeing you around. I also see that you contributed significantly to Evergrande liquidity crisis: I also share an interest in business/finance articles, and I hope that some day we will collaborate on one of those. Cheers. JBchrch talk 03:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out JBchrch :) I most definitely have no hard feelings and intend on participating in the project for a long time. More than anything this whole situation has helped me learn more about what tendencies I can fall into as an editor and how to avoid them. Your compliments are greatly appreciated, and I do hope we'll collaborate at some point. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 06:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Great to hear! I'm very happy to know that you intend to continue to contribute. Just a piece of advice moving forward (in addition to what Levivich has said): though some find it thrilling, most editors try to stay away as much as possible from the contentious areas of the project, and especially anything ANI (or ANI-related), and especially the most contentious ANI threads, as these things have a way of exploding in your hands even if you do all the correct things. Rest assured that a number of very experienced admins are watching these kinds of processes, and that they'll know what to do and when. Best. JBchrch talk 15:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@JBchrch: I don't find ANI too thrilling really (had more fun removing obsolete split tags earlier last month) but tried to do my bit to help. I made mistakes but experienced editors have been extremely polite and kind to me when telling me about/fixing/instructing me in my mistakes, so I'm learning a lot :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

In case you like repetitive tasks that require no thinking but still make you feel as if you are contributing to the sum of all human knowledge, you might be interested in Category:Harv and Sfn template errors, which is a maintenance task I very much enjoy. It only requires a lot of trial and error and a pretty solid understanding of {{sfn}}, {{cite book}} and {{cite journal}} templates, but that can also be learned along the way. JBchrch talk 15:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Your ANI close

Hi. Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I've reverted your close on ANI to topic ban Andrew Davidson from deletion activities. I'm certain the close is in good faith, but this is absolutely one of those occasions where it really does need to be an admin closing the wording. Otherwise Andrew (and the few that oppose a ban) can easily get this overturned as a "bad non-admin close" anyway. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333 thanks for reaching out! How I saw it was that everyone had already given their take and adding more text would just make it a longer job for admins. As I understand it, I was just closing community input rather than partaking in admin activities (actually giving sanctions and considering if the given evidence is enough to warrant sanctions). I wasn't actually giving out a topic ban, and since Andrew et al. have already said why they'd oppose one I think it was clear cut that no more discussion on the matter was needed from the community. However, I do agree with your reversion after looking over at WP:NAC. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 12:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(watching) One should not—with the somewhat esoteric exeception of TfDs—close discussions where one cannot technically or per policy enforce the result. Cheers, ——Serial 12:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It's certainly true lengthy ANI threads drain people's energy and are viewed as a time sink. However, it's more important that the end result is correct. In general, closures should state what remedies have been specifically recommended and sum up the salient points for support and opposition. This is important even if consensus is 95% for 'A' - it's still important to mention 'B' and clarify that it wasn't viewed as important or significant as 'A', and people like to see that they've been listened to. Also, because this is a high-traffic thread with many opinions, everyone needs to know that the closer has sufficient credibility to be declaring a consensus for sanctions on a user, and that pretty much restricts it to admins. Closing low-maintenance threads (eg: two users having a content dispute on ANI, but nobody else is interested) is not so much a problem, though.

Although it's a moot point as the feature is not yet implemented, in the future it will possible to implement an AfD topic ban by partially blocking a user from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/*, in which case you would absolutely need an admin to close it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, Serial, I have created a thread in the village pump to see if we can find ways to prevent the massively disorganized mess in ANI from happening in the future (or as often). If y'all think its a valuable use of your time, any comments there are appreciated. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 13:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

At this stage, I think your actions at ANI and the Village Pump are becoming disruptive, and need to remind you that we are here to write an encyclopedia. I'm glad you weren't around to "tot up" scores for this ANI thread; I'd have felt humiliated. As I said elsewhere, I know Andrew D in real life and have met up in the pub several times - remember behind each editor is a real person. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

That's a fair assessment Ritchie333. I'm trying to get myself a bit more involved in WP discussions but I'm somewhat of a beginner at it. I thought my actions could serve to clean the whole mess a bit since the threads were immensely battlegrounded and just getting more and more opinions without much evidence to them. I, or others in my place, have removed or collapsed the sections I created on ANI — which I have no issue with them doing (more than anything it serves as a lesson to me for the future). I'm hoping the VP discussion will get a bit more traction though as it was somewhat sad to see a discussion on the problems with ARS as a whole and what to do with that project change into a bunch of semi-separated proposals to tban users (with discussion on ARS itself stifling away), and wouldn't like that to happen with other discussions. In any case, if you feel I did a big, good-faith mistake, you are more than welcome to whale me. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh it's not whale-worthy; it's a good-faith and somewhat common "newbie mistake" for an editor to jump in and try to help "fix" an ANI thread (I have made the same mistake myself on many occasions, and I still make this mistake sometimes). You write, it was somewhat sad to see a discussion on the problems with ARS as a whole and what to do with that project change into a bunch of semi-separated proposals to tban users (with discussion on ARS itself stifling away), and wouldn't like that to happen with other discussions. I don't think you're perceiving that what you describe as "sad" is actually a good thing in the eyes of most editors. Why do I say that? Because the first half of the discussion was about venue: do we take it to arbcom? Do we have an RFC? Do we have individual TBAN proposals? Some combination? There was a variety of opinions on that. Some editors started a subsection calling for a close and for this to go to arbcom, and a number of editors agreed. Other editors started individual tban proposals, and far more editors participated in the individual tban proposals than the number of editors calling for a close or an arbcom case. That's crowdsourced consensus at work. The fact that the tban proposals have received so much participation is the evidence that there consensus, maybe not for the tbans, but at least for having the proposals. If nobody thought those proposals were a good idea, nobody would have !voted in them. If consensus was to close the thread and move it elsewhere, that would have happened already. Note that no administrator has closed anything yet (although one said they would close the tban proposals in a few days): that's strong evidence that there is nothing wrong with the discussion continuing. There's a reason why no one did what you did: because everyone else is "reading the room" and seeing something different than what you're seeing. In your VP post, you describe the ANI thread as "devolving" to tban proposals, but it was actually evolving. And that's why it's a newbie mistake: experienced ANI watchers realize this--they know this is actually the most productive ARS thread in years, because they remember the prior ones--whereas inexperienced ones just see a massively disorganized mess. A massively disorganized mess is how democracy and crowdsourced consensus work :-) Levivich 15:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't like it when editors give me unsolicited advice, so forgive me. I don't mean to discourage you from participating in any part of this website; I'm glad you're here and I'm glad you're helping. But you should ask yourself: why isn't anyone else doing any of the things you're doing (trying to close threads, posting vote summaries, making that suggestion at the village pump)? If your answer is "I don't know", then ask yourself: do you really have enough experience on this website to be doing what you're doing (trying to shepherd a massive ANI thread that involves dozens of users talking about something that's been talked about dozens of times for more than ten years), or do you still have some more watching-and-learning to do before you know how to clean up a "massively disorganized mess" at ANI? I know you're trying to save editor time, which is laudable, but so far your answer to "too much text" has been to add more text; you're increasing, not decreasing, the amount of editor time required to process the thread. Levivich 15:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your advice Levivich, see above for my reply to Ritchie333. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

A question - why are you getting interested in closing ANI discussions? It's reasonable that if you've been around for a while that you can pick up an interest in administrative areas; the key is what motivates you to do so. In my case, I first worked out why articles got deleted, and became interested in deletion debates to see how that process worked, with an eye on trying to salvage anything that was practically possible. Later on, as I started to do more in-depth writing, it became necessary to know about edit-warring, how to avoid it, and how page protection worked. So getting involved in the back-area of Wikipedia was just a natural progression over about 3-4 years. The key here is despite having been an admin for some years now and participated in a lot (some might say too many!) ANI threads, I always have this nagging doubt in the back of my mind that the encyclopedia comes first. On a number of occasions, you can see me making lengthy discussions on noticeboards immediately followed by a few gnoming edits on an article, and that's because I always try and finish an editing session having worked on a bit of content. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: honestly if I reflect for a while I might be able to come up with a particular reason for my recent interest in ANI (I guess my first real contribution there was dealing with Riyadhcafe87 at the start of last month), but in terms of administrative areas or discussions I have a longer-lasting interest in RfCs, GARs, DYKNs, and from time to time I like giving a go at reducing the split proposal backlog. Above all, as can be seen in my user page I try to improve the articles regarding the First Carlist War (and when I'm in more of a list-editing mood I add on to my Basque electoral history list draft). My interest and focus bounces around very often, but I particularly enjoy when I get the chance to dive down into academic research. So I don't think I'm necessarily getting interested in closing ANI discussions as a focus of my work for this project, but more that I saw what I felt was an issue, tried to solve it or talk to others in the VP about what I thought could be a more wide-ranging area of improvement than just the single thread, and came out of it learning a lot about ANI, complex discussions about WP topics, and procedure. I'll probably find myself in ANI again from time to time but I don't expect it to be a big interest just yet. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 17:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Social sciences and society Good Article nomination

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Your Utada Hikaru close

Please remove "rough" from the close at Talk:Utada Hikaru#Feminine pronouns should be used. There is nothing even fainly rough about the consensus. It is overwhelming and near-unanimous.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Really only one very loud and repetitive editor dissented so I'll remove rough SMcCandlish. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 05:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. We get too much drama around this subject area, and said party has been involved in two AE filings just in the last week or so.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration on a case regarding the Guerrilla Skeptics

Hi, @GreenC and Narky Blert:. As we agreed on the relevant ANI page, the fact that there is an offwiki group with hundreds of editors whose membership is not known to outsiders within Wikipedia is a massive problem. I think a strong case should be made to the community (in what forum I don't know) to see how to resolve this, and was wondering if y'all were willing to collaborate in preparing such a case. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 09:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Further pinging @Vaticidalprophet, David Fuchs, and ScottishFinnishRadish: based on their comments in an archived BLP thread in case they're also interested. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 09:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I can collaborate, but I'm not sure how you'd want to proceed. I think our best plan is likely just keeping an eye on articles that would attract their attention and work to keep them neutral. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

My experiences with the GSoW were not glowingly positive, as you can see there. I'm not sure there's 'a case' per se, but I do think there are serious questions about whether their operations are appropriate in a culture that gets upset about things much more transparent. I also share David's sourcing concerns pretty sharply, especially combined with my own experiences with GSoW members having very poor understandings of sourcing broadly (e.g. removing non-English or paywalled sources, assuming things are "press releases" without reading them to see they were actually criticisms). Vaticidalprophet 18:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

• I agree that it's the fact not the intention which is the problem. All Wikiprojects are advocacy groups of some sort, even the very gnomish one which I started. While I was drafting my comment at ANI, I was thinking of WP:Womeninred and WP:ARS. Both have admirable aims; even the recent criticism at WP:ANI#Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron is getting problematic was largely directed to the way it operates.

We see similar WP:MEAT problems from time to time when someone attempts to use platforms like Facebook and Twitter to flood an article, or discussion, or two. Existing procedures seem to handle those fairly well; they tend to be limited in time and scope.

I'm not sure what the best way forward might be here. One possibility could be a well-thought-through WP:ARBCOM case, with the aim of setting out guidance for admins as to when and how to intervene. Should such a ruling be made, WP:AE could be a suitable place for enforcement. Narky Blert (talk) 10:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Narky Blert I completely agree with the reference to Women in Red as an admirable aim that greatly improves the project. Perhaps a good start would be to create some sort of Draft Space evidence gathering to record instances of (I don't know what word to use here) coordination/problematic operation/overlap in editing? I don't know exactly what structure the evidence for an arbcom case would have, for one. Would it list editors? Or overall patterns? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 11:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I can tell you as an arbitrator that you're not likely to get an accepted case regarding Guerrilla Skeptics without a) copious amounts of evidence of them being disruptive, and b) evidence that ArbCom is the last resort and you've tried everything else in dispute resolution. Cases are slogs for everyone involved, so it definitely behooves people interested in making changes to try AN boards first anyhow. I think you would need to demonstrate that en masse the organization is effecting bad changes or editing patterns in violation of Wikipedia policies—enforcing or edit-warring to keep in BLP violations or habitual misuse of sources. My main concern that I brought up to RS/N with little result was that many of the sources used don't seem to meet reliability standards, and getting a firmer consensus on that in and of itself would probably be of great help to clarifying the issue (because there's lots of articles that basically only exist due to a "bubble" of these questionable sources, rather than evidence of notability from more mainstream publications.) I hadn't seen the BLP thread you linked before and Gerbic's poor attitude is probably not a good sign the project is interested in working through those issues, but you gotta' try (before she went SlimVirgin did do a decent job overhauling Gerbic's article, at least.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 16:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish, Vaticidalprophet, Narky Blert, and David Fuchs: I think that the loosest thread to pull on to untie this knot is activity related to Skeptic Inquirer-associated BLPs. Pages like John Mashey and Peter Gleick are both Fellows or consultants to SI's parent company Center for Inquiry, while Wesley R. Elsberry presented at a conference associated with SI. Looking through relevant talk pages, finding attempts to breach SPS or notability principles to increase puffery in said articles and other similar avenues could provide a good way to start looking into the issue. Sgerbic described GSoW events to try to cite issues of SI as much as possible throughout Wikipedia, so starting from there seems like the best way forward. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 13:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Aside from these issues, I have no experience bringing discussions to RS but if someone feels SI is unreliable when reporting on skeptics (I won't venture into saying that) there are many articles about skeptics that would fail the notability test.A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 13:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey don't forget me, I wanna help! Sgerbic (talk) 20:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

• DWF makes a very good point. The key issue - and it's not restricted to the topic of this thread - is misuse of sources. This can include (but is not limited to) reliance on WP:SPS or other unreliable sources to assert notability, cherrypicking, WP:REFBOMBING, and (IMO by far the worst) citations which don't support the fact(s) they're cited in favour of. Should a clique collaborate offwiki to raise an article from WP:STUB to WP:FA - well, I'd rather they were working together onwiki, but the result would be praiseworthy.

That suggests that the best place for investigation is misuse of sources - especially, for obvious reasons, in WP:BLPs. ({{BLP IMDb-only refimprove}} exists for a reason.) If a pattern emerges, I can see two likely main issues: (1) reliability of a particular source, which is a matter for WP:RS/N, and (2) persistent misuse of a source or sources by a particular editor, which is probably a behavioural matter first for WP:TPs and if necessary later for WP:ANI. Only if a larger pattern emerges is there an argument for escalating further.

Any investigation has to start from suspicion, somewhere, often as a fishing expedition - even with IP vandals. But an arguable case needs evidence not suspicion. As anecdotes, last week I decided to investigate a UK tabloid newspaper (which I detest) to see if it could be downgraded from "generally unreliable" to "deprecated". So, I bookmarked all their major news stories (ignoring WP:GOSSIP) over several days, then looked at them all together. Some or most of their interpretations were laughable, but I found no instance where they'd made stuff up. So, "generally unreliable" is right, and there's no justification for a new thread. On the other side of the coin, about the same time I researched the host of a YouTube channel I follow (he knows his stuff), in the hope of writing him up. Nope, not a chance - the sources just aren't there. Narky Blert (talk) 22:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

How many articles would more or less be needed for a solid case for "a larger pattern" Narky Blert. The example of them going over 160 articles with just one issue of SI seemed like enough to me but the community did not seem to see it that way. The diffs in the conversation already showed that the articles of fellows/consultants/contributors to SI are quite heavily affected by SPS and partisan sources. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 23:20, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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You should add me to your list. VdSV9•♫ 03:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean add to which list? VdSV9 A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 07:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

GSoW. BTW, I wasn't trying to be discouraging or menacing or anything. I just saw that my name wasn't in there and I have already stated elsewhere that I am with the group, so this information could be useful for you to figure out just how reliable whatever method you were using was. VdSV9•♫ 11:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Much appreciated VdSV9 :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 12:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

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ANI edit

re Special:Diff/1053659886 I appreciate the desire to help, but I would like to note my agreement with what Ritchie333 and Levivich said above. The verb "sealioning" is a very pointed description and unlikely to reduce the energy level. Enterprisey (talk!) 07:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

fair enough, will append A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 09:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

After seeing your subsequent edits, I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to stop editing ANI unless you have something really urgent to share. It's really easy to make edits at ANI that seem helpful but don't move the conversation forward. The current conversation needs calmness, not escalation, and proposing a topic ban when nobody had been talking about one before counts as escalation in my book. Please feel free to ask if you have any questions. Enterprisey (talk!) 20:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Enterprisey I thought that continuing the discussion would just continue increasing the tension. I had already been called stupid, a witch-hunter, etc. All types of accusations had been thrown around. By making a specific proposal where others would be forced to stop just lashing out, and hypothesize and say "considering the evidence, do I agree or disagree" people would stop making pointless arguments about Sgerbic being an expert or if wikiprojects are all evil or ... A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 21:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Some of those are true about proposals in general, but targeting one user when the discussion is about the whole group doesn't seem like a good use of time. And I don't think the proposal is going to have the described effect on the discussion; it's possible for people to continue behaving the same way under the proposal. Enterprisey (talk!) 21:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Enterprisey I don't necessarily disagree with your closing on the section. However, it had been established that GSoW would have to be taken to Arbcom for any real action on that side. However, Sgerbic's flagrant COI and promotion of SI within wikipedia had been argued at length by that point. I don't see what else in that discussion can be said that hasn't been said before. In fact, the arguments are starting to become ad hominems, arguments from authority, appeals to pity, etc. rather than actual discussion. I'll kinda stay on the sidelines for now as I feel I've said all I had to say, and will await for more experienced editors to lead the way w the whole arbcom thing. (Ngl arbcom is kind of scary to a newbie like me but I look forward to this learning opportunity ^u^) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 22:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Santacruz, as a very long term IP editor who's seen this a thousand times before let me be blunt with you for a minute: If you continue to hang around the Administrator's noticeboard you are going to find yourself blocked for disruptive editing. Your comments there are not helpful and are simply turning discussions into massive trainwrecks, and your article space contributions related to them (like those prods, the speedy deletion tagging, and the deletion of reliably sourced content) are almost indistinguishable from vandalism. The administrator's noticeboard is full of highly experienced admins and editors, many of whom have been here for over a decade - this isn't the first time they'll have dealt with an off-wiki group and they'll be more than capable of dealing with this one. Focus on article editing until you have a lot more experience. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen this happen dozens and dozens of times before - a newcomer gets involved in some administrative area of the project without having the proper experience and knowledge to contribute there properly, ends up being disruptive in their attempts to help and ultimately ends up blocked. Please don't let it happen to you. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 22:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah for sure, I appreciate the comment. Honestly after all the insults and everything I'm just going to go back to my Carlist-related editing for a while. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 23:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Partial block from WP:ANI

You have been blocked from editing certain areas of the encyclopedia for a period of 3 months for disruptive editing. Specifically, multiple WP:CIR lapses at ANI. A. C. Santacruz, at this point in time, you're a net negative at ANI. You need to better acquaint yourself with Wikipedia policy and conventions in order to contribute there effectively, which I feel now needs to be imposed. Similar problems in other editorial processes (for example, the poor close of late), so please take note. Thanks and good luck. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

El_C 23:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

El C that's a fair block I don't plan on contesting. I'll use the time to reflect and learn. Cheers :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 23:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. El_C 23:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)