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Welcome!

Hello, FkpCascais, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Thanks FkpCascais (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign Yugoslav League players

Parli italiano eh? :-) If you'll ever write a list like that, please alert me and I will contribute as I can. Following your criteria, obviously ;-) I've already worked a little with Erwan and I'll be happy to collaborate with you, too. Oh, and I've already written a couple of Italians. --necronudist (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia FP list: Doubts

Bold -International for that country. gk-goalkeeper; d-defender; m-midlefeld; f-forward


-Kazakhstan:- JHY UUJH

-Sergey Ivanov ;(f),born1980,Jagodina(2008-09) now playing in Irtysh Pavlodar(Kaz.). Doubt:Transfermarkt says that Jagodina transfered him in winter brake this season to Irtysh. Did he get to play any game with Jagodina? Or was it just "come and go" in the winter brake?

-Morocco:

-Oussama Essabr ;(f),born1989,Javor(2006-07). Doubt:only one site says this,I´ll try to find it.Anyway doesn´t matter couse Javor was in 2.league that year,but cheking wan´t hurt

-Romania:

-Momir Mileta ;(f),born1971,Cukaricki(2000-2002)nowadays in the technical stuff of the club. Doubt:wy did some site put him as romanian?

---Florin Subonj (Proleter 82/84 ) : HUN? ROM?

---FK Partizan: Alfred (2games/1Goal) african? ; Kobe (14/1) JAP? ; Ninimaki (1/2) FIN? ; Szelesi (3/0) HUN? ; Pilko (26/23) ??? ; Tot{?Toth?} (17/0) HUN? ; Vajda (5/0) SLK?HUN? ; Vibra (1/0) ??? ; Zivkov{Zhivkov} (2/0) BUL?RUS?

This list is far from completed. I´m still missing the most of the periods of 1990 to 2000 and the beggining(around 1920) until around 1960. This way you can see what players I already have and see if there is some missing. FkpCascais (talk) 00:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign players in Serbia

Thanks for the welcome, although in a few days it's my 3rd anniversary here. Personally, no, I don't think lists of foreign football players are that illuminating, but de gustibus non est disputandum. I do have one suggestion: diacritics, please! Božović not Bozovic, Džudović not Dzudovic, etc. - Biruitorul Talk 05:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was not here. This was the end of my holidays, so I will not be so present in the future. That's a good beginning. Just need to add your criteria, diacritics with a simple copy/paste. You did it very quickly, quite impressive. My list took me about a year to do!

To help you: Mihail Rac was born in Ruski Krstur. So probably a Hungarian from Vojvodina. I could not find the others in my guides. I'll do further researches. I'll also do a review of your list and correct it if I find mistakes. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 09:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Tomislav Ivkovic: he never played for Croatia, only Yugoslavia.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at your criteria, Yvan Beck should also be in your list as he played for France.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Milan Zvarik (not Manuel Zvarik) is Czech.Steven Bozinovski is Australian. Vilmos Sipos played first for Yugoslavia, then for Hungary, should be added. They can be added into the list. Dejan Vukadinovic is Serb. I can confirm you Roberto Karlos is Brazilian; don't know his full name and career.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign players in serbian lower football leagues

I can't be 100% sure but looks like he is Slovak (I made a mistake). He played for Slovak teams Spartak Trnava and ZVL Žilina.Look at our guy here [1]. By the way it should be written Milan Zvarík.--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I leave it like this...until new information appears. Those clubs are slovak, but there were also czechs making career in slovak clubs, so, its still really unknown... Thanx for the new guy! FkpCascais (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's right, we can't be so sure. For our new guy, he was a Hungarian international. So it was not so hard to find him.--Latouffedisco (talk) 06:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a different list in my User:FkpCascais/Sandbox. It´s still far from done.

-2.leagues doubts:Natinality doubts:

From Pre-1945 period: BSK:

SK Jugoslavija:

  • Eduard Mifek -1913
  • Kumanudi -1929
  • Detlinger -1930
  • Plac -Gk -1935
  • Rakar -Fw -1938,1939
  • Ajbl -1939
  • Ler -1939
  • Bednar -1939
  • Stevkov -LeftMf -1940,1941
  • Šplajt -1941,1942,1943
  • Difranko -1941
  • Lunder -1943

"X" to the non-foreigns. Feel free to do the same. FkpCascais (talk) 20:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, sorry. These guys are mysterious...--Latouffedisco (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hum, who are these guys ? I need to do some researches about them. I'll tell you if I find something.--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don´t bother. I imagine, it´s not very clear in the text, that they made part of the begining of the club. There are also 2 italians. In the meantime I found more players to the lists, a german(DDR) in Vojvodina in the 80´s, don´t you have him in the albums? And that Anthony/Alfons Delicat is from Ghana, Panayotov apears in the WC62 squads in Bulgaria squad as C.Zvezda player,etc. I´ve put the question in the discussion page of football about international players becouse I used to put the players as they apear in those lists, without thinking that they may not be acurate. Now I must chek all the lists again... I´ve also simplified the criterium part of the lists. FkpCascais (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC) FkpCascais (talk) 15:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC):Hum, Wetzer player for Hyères FC of France in 1932-33 coming from a Romanian club and left for another Romanian club. Played later, I think, for BSK. Otherwise, your list seems correct : Jure Primorac signed for Celik Zenica in 2006, he is the son of Boro Primorac, did you know? --Latouffedisco (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hum, after some further researches, it looks like Wetzer played for BSK in 1924-25. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx for the info. I didn´t had much time lattely, so the only time I got was to finish my sandbox list. Now is much complete. The unoficial OFK Belgrade website where all the history of the predecessor club BSK is , is now temporarily closed...???...so I´m having even further problems trying to find more about that period. There, as I remember, said that Wetzer came to BSK from ,I can´t remember wich Bucharest club, as already a renamed international player, but didn´t specify the exact years that he spend in the club. In the Yugoslav First League seasons sometimes are written the champions teams of each year with the best 11 of the winning club, but when BSK is champion the section is missing. I know wy, becouse it was a croat that made those squads only for croat champions, of course. In that website there were the winning 11´s of the BSK so I wanted to complete the seasons, but the website is now unreachable for me...grrrr!!!! Hey, great goal of Rennes this weekand! But only 1-1. FkpCascais (talk) 05:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Wetzer came from Unirea Timişoara and left for Chinezul Timişoara. His career is quite complicated...--Latouffedisco (talk) 06:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You meen, came to France? In his wiki page mentions first BSK and then other foreign clubs. I´ll try to find somehow the exact years/Year he was in Belgrade. Sometimes BSK is written like Beogradski SK . Yes I knew Jure was the son of Boro but many websites put him as french. What I´m really doing in my sandbox list is to put all the candidates, like for the albanian list, I´m puting the kosovar players that are going to be excluded at the end, just so I want confuse them. FkpCascais (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC) FkpCascais (talk) 18:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Jure Primorac has probably dual citizenship. He must have came to France while his father played and coached in France. For Wetzer: Chinezul Timisoara - Torekves SC (1921) - Unirea Timişoara - BSK (1924-25) - Chinezul Timisoara - Ujpest FC - Juventus Bukarest - Ripensia Timişoara - Hyères FC (1932-33) - I.L.S.A. Timişoara - Rovine Griviţa Craiova - Electrica Timişoara.
Somebody changed the text of the history of FK Bor and now it says that Galoa, the player/menager in 1920, was part of France NT !!! Don´t forget that foreign names in serbian are written as they sound, so they may be written very different than the original. So he may be Gouloua, or something, but I have now homework for you. To discouver who is this guy, and did he really played for France NT, please. Thanx in advance. I have also found a lot of new players since the last time we have spoken, chek it out. FkpCascais (talk) 01:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hum, his name should be written Gallois in French (a quite common family name, which is said quite close as Galoa), but no Gallois appeared for France. Plus, lots of things were added to FK Bor article, but we have no references, so it has little credit by now.--Latouffedisco (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)== sources for Serbian league football history ==[reply]

Hi FkpCascais,

I'm sorry I don't think I can be very helpful with providing any additional sources. If you're still looking for sources or information, you can try posting your question on a popular English speaking football forum - Serbian Football on xtratime.

Good luck finding more references, and keep up the great work on your new articles! // laughing man 15:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Mike Temwanjera

Thank you, i can add a lot more sources. If you want to know anything about romanian football players or romanian football (or serbian players in Romania) you can ask me ! --razvanflorian (talk) 07:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strani igraci u Zvezdi

Pozdrav, sad sam video tvoju poruku. Za Zivalda ne znam, ali secam se da su neke 97-98 u Zvezdi igrala dva Brazilca, Adilson i Vilijans (sa n), pri cemu je Adilson igrao u odbrani i bio je jedno vreme i u prvom timu, dok je Vilijans bio, mislim, spic, ali nije uspeo da se ustali i otisao je, cini mi se, nakon jedne polusezone. Nisam dugo razmisljao o njemu, gde se njega seti? Pozdrav, --Vitriden (talk) 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Engelmann

Unfortunately, no, I don't know him. But it is rather unusual for an East German to have played abroad, even more so in Yugoslavia, given the countries not-so-close relationship to the Warsaw Pact states. Can't find anything on the 'net either. Sorry. Madcynic (talk) 10:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Many thanx from FkpCascais

Hi! Thanks for your contributions. You are doing an excellent work. Regarding your questions, I will answer below.

  • Caxias-SC is a club from Santa Catarina (hence the "SC"), and the club name is Caxias Futebol Clube.
  • Roberto Carlos and Marco Antônio are very common names in Brazil so its hard to tell who those players are.
  • Osvaldo Montero is probably not Brazilian (in Brazil we have the surname Monteiro, Montero is a Spanish surname). So he may be from Argentina or Uruguay.

Hope that helps.

Você escreve bem em português. É bom ver editores de outros países que entendem o meu idoma.

Abraços, --Carioca (talk) 19:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hi! Check this discussion for Brazilian websites. Futpédia is very good for players who have played (or are currently playing) in Campeonato Brasileiro Série A, Campeonato Paulista, Campeonato Carioca and Copa do Brasil. You can also check Sambafoot, but it is not as reliable as the other pages (it is a French site). AFAIK there is no website listing transfers that happened before 2002. Also there is no website listing the Brazilian footballers separated in countries where they play or played. Hope that helps. Abraços, --Carioca (talk) 21:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguating links

Hello, just a small thing about your football player articles: please don't link the name of the country to "Macedonia" – that page has been turned into a disambiguation page again, and the country page is now again at Republic of Macedonia. It is okay to have the text displayed as "Macedonia" (as long as the context is clear), but please pipe the link to the right article, by saying "[[Republic of Macedonia|Macedonia]]" or "[[Macedonia (country)|]]". Thanks, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Country of birth

Well, it doesn't hurt, Filip! I'll wait a reaction of fellow editors of Wikiproject/football. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Canysp

Hi! I am a Hungarian kid, and interests the football! There are rather many so Hungarian players, who are born in Serbia, unfortunately and does not obtain the Hungarian citizenship. This is somewhat more complicated so because of this. I construct the sheets being about the players continuously (from a book), but if there will be players like that between it I put who belong into your list into it then!Well I can recommend some web pages with a Hungarian language from which I am fastidious...

bye! --Canysp (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would be glad if we would keep the contact! Thank you for your help and I hope for it I can help a lot yet for you! You could grant it if you know some good links possibly:) --Canysp (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nenad Kutlačić

Thanks for the name correction! Astristul (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I can't help you out with that players career. I also don't know much about him. Astristul (talk) 09:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've been busy...

Hi Filip, I see you've created a few(!) pages this month. When you create footballer pages, could you also please create an associated talk page and add the BIO and Football tags per Talk:Ibrahim Salim Saad. This helps with some things, including getting them listed under WikiProject Football. Thanks. --ClubOranjeT 12:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Svetislav Glisovic

Hi Filip! I never created his article in the past because of this doubt. In my book, (given at the list of foreign ligue 1 players), he is noted as a striker coming from BSK Belgrade, with no stats, unfortunately. It looks like it is confirmed here. My hypothesis is that he probably joined Stade français, but stayed there a little time, probably before the end of 1946, and then took the coaching duty of Red Star Belgrade. As he died in Paris, he is connected to France in some way...--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to this he played two matches for Stade Français. I looked for informations about his coaching career; it looks like he went to Aris Thessaloniki F.C. (years unknown, probably around the 50's or 60's), and maybe Grasshoppers Zurich (1958, but I'm not sure, I can't find his first name).--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, wikipedia takes some time ^^ and I love to learn about history of football!--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Autoreviewer

You've been creating good articles, so I gave you the autoreviewer right. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it's all explaind at wp:autoreviewer --Closedmouth (talk) 04:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anderson Costa

Hi Filip! In fact, your guy never played for Standard de Liège but for R.F.C. de Liège [2]. But I could not find anything about his PSG career. He could have played in PSG B team, but I can tell you he never played in Ligue 1. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I answered to your query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Canysp

Hi! I try to help you! Maybe I cannot help a lot, but what I know I do it! Have fun! --Canysp (talk) 14:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sepuya

This transfer is not confirmed by the clubs or player. Transfermarkt site is not good source.--Oleola (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Borovnica

No problem, done. 38 matches, 2 goals in Ligue 1. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 06:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Croatian footballers

Hello,

I really appreciate your effort not only to create the articles but also to add the appropriate WikiProject banners. Since most of these biographies are relatively brief and cover lesser-known footballers, I'd say that in 90% of the cases {{WikiProject Croatia|class=Stub|importance=Low}} would fit. {{WikiProject Croatia|class=|importance=}} is also fine if you have doubts about any of the parameters. Note also that for many of these footballers {{WikiProject Yugoslavia|class=|importance=}} would also apply. Of course, you're by no means required to add these, but if it's not too big a chore, it is certainly appreciated.

As for Mar(i)jan Zovko, I could not dig up much. Judging by vjesnik.hr, it's Marijan, but there are instances of Marjan too. My hunch is that Marjan is correct, but I'm not really sure. GregorB (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Grubelić

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Marko Grubelić. Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting articles

Hi there. The easiest way is to propose an article for deletion - full instructions can be found at WP:PROD. If a PROD is chellenged, then you then need to take the article to a deletion discussion. Hope this helps! GiantSnowman 08:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Award

The Original Barnstar
I, Darwinek, hereby award you this barnstar for your continuous and professional creation of football biography articles. Darwinek (talk) 12:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work. It is really nice to see all these new football articles about Balkan footballers showing up. - Darwinek (talk) 12:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pristina or Priština

Please be so kind and read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Kosovo-related_articles)/Prishtina-Pristina-Priština. The name Pristina has been agreed to be used in all cases in English language. This is a WP:MOS and must be respected. —Anna Comnena (talk) 18:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo language

Zdravo živo Filip. Gledam od Vašite podatoci deka razbirate makedonski! Odlično e toa, sepak će ti pišuvam po latiničkoto pismo štom polesno će ti bide. Ne znam točno so koja poraka ja objasniv sostojbata so srpskiot jazik na šiptarite ama stalno sum vo takvi razgovori. Problemot e deka nema veza kolku pati mu kažuvate nešto, nikogaš ne go prifaćaat. Sami nećat! No vo istoto vreme jas baram i so nim da se razberime i da živeeme mirno i spokojno - i na Vikipedija i vo životot! Srpski e zvaničen na Kosovo i toa od kosovskata sobranie (skupština). Će nema da dojdi den da ispadni srpski od Kosovo. Pozdrav. Evlekis (talk) 17:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From this stage I'll continue in English, not because I dislike the Slavic languages but because these discussions are supposed to be clear to all English speakers. Crazy isn't it, no worldy language has borrowed more words than English; let it borrow some more - borrow jebem oca, kurac and jedi govno and the language will further be enriched whilst the rest of us talk freely! :)
From the beginning, whatever direction we all take we must all be in agreement with each other. That means with users Kedadi, Anna Fabiano, Dab, the lot. Emotions often run high when sensitive issues are the topic and as you know, anything remotely Balkan related carries all kind of bitter sentiment. Regading the Herzegovinian footballer where I gave the Cyrillic: I only gathered from his name and his location (Gacko) that he is Serb. Nowhere else does it say it. Remember, being Serb simply implies that the individual identifies as Serb, not that he was born to parents both of whom declared Serb. Bosnian demographics place Bosniaks at about 50% but only 45% of the entire population (Turks included) are Muslim by faith. The 5% non-Muslims declaring Bosniak could very well come from Orthodox and Catholic familes. In addition, the family/relatives of the individual identifying as Bosniak may themselves declare Croat, Serb, Yugoslav, or anything they so wish. Once we know for sure that an individual considers himself Serb, a Serbian nameform is (as far as I am concerned) mandatory. This means Cyrillic and its Latinic counterpart if the headword (article name of individual) is different. As for persons born in Serbia or Yugoslavia, a Slavic form of some kind is again a requirement because it reflects the individual's official name at birth. Nobody escaped a Serbo-Croat Latinic translation certificate, not even those in Kosovo. The trouble Filip, is that some editors see this all as patriots making their mark on inappropriate articles. Not the case though. I have had feuds here in the past including one recently. I withdrew from my stance on ex-presidents and their presentation before things got uglier. But for this it is different, those names are additional accurate information; particularly useful for persons interested in names and their origins. As such, when it is the Albanian, Croat or Bosnian or anyone born outside of their catchment areas, I make the same effort to ensure that their nameforms are included somewhere. For example: Murat Yakin (Turkish), Krist Novoselic (Croatian) and Fatos Bećiraj (Albanian), others too. I have faced resistence on some of these too but principles must be observed and that way, nobody can make accusations against you. You rightly pointed out the Hungarian footballers and I too have seen the presentation for Serbian Hungarian politicians too. As for my little story in the user page, I guess you could say that the names chosen for everything does indeed reflect my disdain for world leaders and countries on the whole, the childish fuss they make and their unwillingness to act maturely. I have a Portuguese friend whose surname is Carvalho, and it had been he who explained to me caralho (his name minus one letter)! I make no secret of it: Ben Zona is Hebrew for son of a bitch and Bat Zona is daughter of a bitch. Everything means something in some language and nothing nice. That's my respect to real world statesmen! :-) Evlekis (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Football association

Hello, FkpCascais! You're doing a great work creating articles about footballers, but unluckily you seem to wikilink football to Football association instead of association football, which are obviously completely different things. How to fix that? The best way is, probably, via a bot... Whytye (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, of course you could just copy and paste right wikilink into the articles manually. Another possibility is using a semi-automatic tool like AWB, however I've never used such a tool since I don't have enough mainspace edits (they require 500) currently. But for you it looks like a good reason to start, cheers! Whytye (talk) 21:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign players - Serbia

Francuske is the firstname albanian speek for francoise! sorry now Miloš Šćepanović played for Partizan in friendly (senior) games! Zombi433 (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How did you find the Spartak Subotica guys? Osvaldo Montero and Marco Antonio Seixas? I search the entire net and I couldn´t find anything... FkpCascais (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the player find you over google :) RSSSF is one way Zombie433 (talk), 11 October 2009

Lajos Jakovetic

Actually, I removed Category:Football (soccer) managers from Jakovetic's page because he was already categorised as both a Serbian football manager and a Yugoslav football manager. Unless the person's nationality is not known, there should be no articles in Category:Football (soccer) managers. – PeeJay 09:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The positional categories are definitely meant to be used, but since people can be sub-categorised as managers by nationality, we tend to leave Category:Football (soccer) managers empty where possible. If the nationality is unknown, then by all means use Category:Football (soccer) managers, but there's no need if you do know the nationality. Also, I think you should only input years if you definitely know the start and end years. If you only put in years that you're certain of, it gives a mistaken impression. – PeeJay 21:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent accusations

Hi FkpCascais, how is it going?

We had a dispute over birthplace naming for a Serbian football player who was born in Pristina. From your POV it was written: Priština, SFR Yugoslavia while from my POV it should be: Pristina, Kosovo (then SFR Yugoslavia) or Pristina, SFR Yugoslavia (present-day Kosovo).

...

To back it up, I'm going to use two examples of Serbian tennis players whose articles follow the structure of what I've just said, take a look at: Ana Ivanović and Jelena Janković.

Thank you. kedadial 13:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...

Shiptari, would not be offensive if it wouldn't be used as something bad in Serbian subculture. I saw the movie "Rane" and the Slovenian guy there is called Siptar when they are throwing stones at him.
Sorry for my prolongated comment. —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Youth careers

Hi there FKP, VASCO (also) from Portugal here,

About your message, i also agree with your approach. It goes like this, in my opinion: some players, like Cristiano Ronaldo, Diego Maradona, Dragan Stojkovic, Raúl González, reach the first division of their leagues at 15, 16 or 17, but most players in the world "upgrade" to the seniors at 18 or 19. Until then, it's youth career, i agree with you completely. So, if Nikola Zigic played for that modest team from 1998-2001 (aged 18-21 years), it had to be senior, not youth, even if it was in the 5th or 6th division, but i think some people have a great problem understanding that, others are just vandals...

Last week, a similar thing happened to me, when an editor moved Liédson's first two clubs (very modest, they don't even have a WP article) to youth section, i have already reverted.

I also agree that, since we are both mainly interested in soccer and we are both Portuguese, we can help each other when needed. And i also think we can talk in Portuguese, even at EN.WIKI, at least i am not worried if i do so.

Um abraço também, boa semana,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 04:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia national team

Naravno da se slazem sa time da je reprezentacija Srbije naslednik reprezentacije SR Jugoslavije i Srbije i Crne Gore, tj. da je to jedno te isto. Ali, izmenu sam napravio iz razlga sto je u sekciji "World Cup record" bio podnaslov "FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro" i onda je ispod bilo ubrojano i Svetsko prvenstvo 2010. To svakako nije tacno jer se na njega nije kvalifikovala ni Jugoslavija, ni Srbija i Crna Gora, vec Srbija. Zato sam ovo Svetsko prvenstvo posebno izdvojio i napisao podnaslov "As Serbia". To je sigurno bolje nego sto je bilo, ali vidim da je neko to opet spojio, i stavio podnaslov "As FR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia", sto smatram da je jos bolje, samo se ja nisam toga setio :-). Vanjagenije (talk) 07:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Gavran

Hello. I was hoping you could help me with this article. I've looked on the web to see if such a person ever played for Karnten (guardian.co.uk has no record of him), Dobrudzha (pfl.bg has no record of him) or Niki Volou (epae.org has no record of him). I'd like to remove at least the information about these clubs since it is almost certainly wrong. However, I am also wondering if the entire article is wrong. The person who created the article is not someone that makes hoaxes, so perhaps the information about his early career in Serbia is correct (but I don't know where to find sources for it). Please let me know if you agree or have any other suggestions. Thank you. Jogurney (talk) 14:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work. I figured that the article was about a real player, and someone had just vandalized it to add the Austrian and Greek clubs. I'll try to improve it as well. Thank you. Jogurney (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again. I am going to remove the years and stats because I cannot verify them. I'm also trying to see if the pfl.bg site has any record of Gavran playing for Varna. With respect to the unreferenced tags, I always remove them when I add a reference. Someone complained to me once, but I think it's better to remove the tag so people know that other articles need work more than this one. Also, if I know there isn't enough information in the references to support the entire article, I change the tag from "BLP unsourced" to "BLP sources" which shows it has at least one reference. Best regards and thank you for your help. Jogurney (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's explains why the pfl.bg site has no record of him. The archive for the second division only includes 2006-07 and later. Varna was last in the second division in 2005-06. Thank you. Jogurney (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I found an article from a Bulgarian sports site that says he played in the Austrian second division, so the Karnten information may be correct. I wish I could find more evidence of it. Jogurney (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved the club's article. Thank you for updating the club's page - I didn't realize the two clubs had merged. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 22:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obrigado

Meu caro FKP, VASCO aqui,

acerca deste jogador, o meu obrigado pela tua compreensão e ajuda. Acho que fica melhor sem o "U17" e "U19", etc, porque a própria coluna do "infobox" já indica que se trata de camadas jovens (youth), por isso acho que é suficiente com o nome do clube.

Um abraço, bom fim-de-semana,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Illés Spitz

Well, It's uneasy to find English sources for this kind of player. But I've added the source for his international stats from a perfectly reliable source.--Latouffedisco (talk) 13:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you that the Nemzeti SC was a Hungarian football club, which was dissolved shortly after WWII and founded in 1906. They were based in Budapest and sometimes you can find NSC Budapest on the internet, which refers to the same club. But I'm sorry I don't have the dates of birth/death of Spitz. Maybe you could ask User:Gabute who is Hungarian, but he is rarely here, unfortunately. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 20:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odgovor Ивана Богданова

Kako se usudjujes, barabo barabska, da ovako govoris o nasoj velikoj dinastiji Karadjordjevica???!!! Napises ovakvo djubre, a onda se pravis fin, pa ga sam cistis. Velika Kraljevina Jugoslavija bi trajala i dan-danas da je (na tvoju veliku radost) nije razbio Adolf Hitler!! Uveravam te, Srbija ce uskoro ponovo biti Kraljevina, a nas Kralj ce biti NJ.K.V. Aleksandar II (bice I TVOJ Kralj, ma sta ti pricao o njemu). Na tvoj uzas, jednog dana moze da bude obnovljena i Kraljevina Jugoslavija! Mozes slobodno da pocepas i izgazis tu "spansku diplomu" kad koristis ovakav recnik!!! Hvala Bogu sto nikada nisi ziveo u Srbiji; Ovde su i djubretari salonska gospoda u odnosu na tebe!! Svoju "veliku SRBIJU" vuci u Hag kod Seselja, djubre jedno. Danas si stekao dobrog neprijatelja, decko. ZAPAMTICU TE, A I TI MENE!!! ZIVEO KRALJ, ZIVELA OTADZBINA!! --Иван Богданов (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Simplicidade

Olá meu caro, VASCO "por aqui",

fiz umas alterações às tuas alterações no Igor Taševski, que vou passar a explicar: eu acho que há muito exagero na denominação dos campeonatos de futebol for toda a Europa, e devia a coisa ser mantida mais simples, explico: em Portugal temos a LIGA SAGRES, que nem sequer existe como artigo na WP, sendo aqui chamada Portuguese Liga. Ora isso nem sequer é uma palavra (metade Inglês e metade Português?!?), e por acaso em Sérvio também temos a Serbian Superliga; a minha abordagem, como não vou estar a mudar os nomes dos campeonatos (nem sequer tenho esse direito), escondo o link com palavras simples.

Esse método é o seguinte: escrevo somente a nação (PORTUGUESE, SPANISH, SERBIAN, GERMAN, etc, etc) e depois ou LEAGUE ou FIRST/SECOND/THIRD DIVISION (por exemplo acho bastante esquisito, ou pior, que o terceiro escalão em Inglaterra se chame League One, não tem lógica nenhuma!), tento manter as coisas simples e coerentes. O mesmo para as taças (SPANISH CUP, YUGOSLAV CUP, FRENCH CUP, etc).

Espero não te ter baralhado muito, já agora vê se gostas do trabalho feito nos grandes Zlatko e Zoran Vujović, um ótimo fim-de-semana,

Abraços, --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Defaultsorting of Brazilian footballers

Hi! Well, according to this, probably Rudison should be sorted as Ferreira, Rudison Nogueira, but ideally I would move the article to Rudison, as he is the most notable person known as Rudison (it is something like Ronaldo, instead of Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima), Doing this would fix the problem with the Defaultsorting. Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is no special rule for sorting Brazilian names. Perhaps a discussion regarding this issue could be started here. Hope that helps. Regards, --Carioca (talk) 21:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Yugoslavia (until 1941) derby: BSK - Jugoslavija

Oh my god! That's sooo hard to find something, I tried to find something but It's very hard...I can tell you that you're probably right with Rudolf Wetzer. I'm so confused and I don't have some books right now, but, using my memory none of them is related to France, except Wetzer... Again, sorry. Best regards.--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for you. Well, having a quick search, I found no "Platz" playing for Austria...Do you think about GK Peter Platzer? He was too young at that time to play (born 1910), in my opinion. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 08:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resposta

Olá meu bravo, VASCO "por aqui",

Pois, por acaso, também não percebo as atitudes dele, que ficam mais "impossíveis" quando lhe peço algumas explicações - acusa-me de vandalismo, remove coisas - e, como se diz em bom Português, "nem diz AI!", mudo que nem uma porta...Se tiver de ser, força com isso!!

Outro abraço, ótimo fim-de-semana,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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???

Meu caro, VASCO aqui,

não deve ter sido com intenção (e eu próprio já usei essa palavra aqui), mas fui insultado, neste artigo, Goran Đorović. Sinceramente gostava de saber aonde é que fiz porcaria ("rubbish"), pois acho aque não.

O irmão do GORAN, ZORAN, jogou uns meses (quer dizer treinou, jogos nem um!) no Celta de Vigo, de aí eu dizer que não teve impacto nenhum na equipa (se calhar percebeste que eu disse que o GORAN é que não teve impacto nenhum, não foi isso que eu disse, lê outra vez). A seguir, ainda mais espantoso, porque não tem nada que enganar, removeste que o Elche CF era uma equipa de 2.Divisão quando ele lá esteve (e ainda é), não percebi.

Entrei lá outra vez hoje, vejo isto e venho-te comunicar as minhas alterações passadas e presentes: voltei a meter os dois bocados que falei há pouco, deixa estar por favor), e melhorei uma data de "re-directs" no artigo, até perdi a conta (eu estou aqui para ajudar, podes ter a certeza).

Cumprimentos lusitanos, VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tudo OK meu amigo, sem problemas. Em relação ao artigo do DJOROVIC, eu não quis dizer mal do irmão ZORAN, apenas informar, dizendo que ele não tinha tido (ao contrário do irmão) sorte nenhuma no CELTA, só isso. E numa coisa estás enganado pá: eu nunca referi mais que uma vez a SEGUNDA DIVISÃO ESPANHOLA no artigo, apenas uma, de certeza.

Abraços e até outra (e sim, o MATTHEW lá me respondeu hoje mas mais valia que o não tivesse feito, é um pouco para o arrogante acho eu!), VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 05:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dušan Belić

I just wanted to thank you so much for making the Dušan Belić page!!!

Tempo21 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Running Man Barnstar
I present you with this barnstar in recognition of your fine contributions to football-related articles. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas

I wish you Merry and Blessed Christmas. Have a great, happy and peaceful time, my friend, and a productive 2010. - Darwinek (talk) 14:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Have a merry and nice Christmas and a happy new year! Let's hope for new footy-related discussions and endeavours!--Latouffedisco (talk) 15:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia

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Kingdom of Serbia

I am warning you to stop vandalizing article Kingdom of Serbia. Any changes you can discuss on talk page. --Mladifilozof (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you crazy? Do you know what you´re talking about? Disagreing with your highly doubtfull POV is not vandalizing. Please, don´t adress me no more. I don´t want to have any contact with you. FkpCascais (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I urge you to read and join in the conversation if this matter at WP:WQA#personal attack before this escalates any further. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Baltic States (Art. Kęstutis Ruzgys)

Lithuania wasn't part of SSSR. --Bot-iww (talk) 09:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovan autonomy

Good point Cascais. The situation is like this: Kosovo in its current shape was demarcated first in 1946 and given some nominal autonomy. If this is what certain parties are trying to suggest then that is correct. However, what was passed to Kosovo that year was very little, so to appease dissident factions, the autonomy was extended in various stages with every new constitution until it reached its peak in 1974. Only from then until 1990 did it have privileges outside of SR Serbia's jurisdiction. Either way, I'll see if I can help matters. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very glad you are satisfied. Yes I shall watch the other user's activities. By all means, keep an eye on any edit-warring yourself as I shall certainly need your help if he insists upon using edits like those recently witnessed. I'm off for the night. We'll stay in touch. Evlekis (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moving pages

As I don't know as much about football as you, I wasn't originally sure whether the article I moved really belonged to the page I sent it. The "ič" ending is how it would have been if he were Slovene in origin, but I checked both variations on the search engines and found the Serbian form to be the accurate variation. If there are others as such, all you need to do is click on [Move] at the top of the page and then on the next section, insert the name of the page you wish to redirect the erroneous title. I can use the Latinic letters on my own keyboard when I select Croatian ([HR]), if you haven't got this configuration then you can copy/paste from the millions of examples online. If you are having difficulties, tell me which pages need moving and I'll gladly carry out the task. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Terrible Bulgarian nationalism

I have answered on the talk page of the Kingdom of Serbia.

I know that Nis and Lescovac are among the poorer Serbian regions but still what made me impression there were those pleskavitsi. Well, I might be a patriot, on certain occasions even nationalist but we don't have anything that compares it. Our kyufte just sucks in comparison with them, they are soooooo tasty (Can you make them at home?). And another thing was the girls, most of them were really very beautiful and I did not see a single fat one (obviously that is coincidence but still...) In fact both cases I was in Serbia to do work, not for fun but it was a pleasant experience both times. --Gligan (talk) 11:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Марио Остојић

Прво би хтео да се захвалим за све чланке који си направио! Заиста сјајно изгледају и не знам где си ископао све те податке! Имао сам прилику да се упознам са Остојићем неколико пута али знам само основне информације. Могао би да пробам да га контактирам па да направимо чланак ако хоћеш.

Поздрав!

Tempo21 (talk) 07:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Марио Остојић 2

Питао сам за његов имејл па чекам одговор. Потражићу интернет мада ћу ту тешко да нађем. Рекао би да није страни играч наравно али ето пошто је играо за млађе селекције Канаде не знам како се званично важи.

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About Mladifilozof

Hello again FkpCascais. Thanks for your message. Don't worry, you don't have to explain to me that you're not a heavyweight nationalist who hates other ethnicities, I know you are not. Naturally you are a soccer enthusiast who happens to be Serbian and you rightfully feel protective when you see your nation misrepresented. Likewise, I have followed your edits in the past and have seen with my own eyes that you contribute towards Albanian-related subjects; let's face it, a fair chunk of our priciple (yours and mine) involves ensuring accurate birthplace information and seeing that naming conventions are observed. This may often mean preserving the feats of ethnic Albanians in opposition to hostile outsiders.

I won't be dishonest wth you. It appears to me that Mladifilozof is without a doubt Serbophobic. There is nothing you or I can do about that; no amount of friendly conversation or appeal to his conscience can alter his views. So far, he has demonstrated this by gleefully siezing every opportunity to tarnish every aspect of Serbian culture, from their existence to their ideologies. I will however be fair about him on two accounts: 1) he discusses on the talkpages and remains polite, not engaging in personal attacks and thereby observing WP conditions; 2) he is not militant; you don't see him involved in edit wars. In fact, that second point is the reason I am not too keen to rush straight to admins to report his activity. You see, he is free to edit as are we; as long as he obeys the rules, we don't actually have a case against him. However, being free to edit ourselves, we can reformat much of the information he has provided - removing parts while inserting other parts into context and so creating a factual encyclopaedic article which he will then see that he is unable to amend. I think we did all right with Kingdom of Serbia involvong his wall of text. I examined it from top to bottom and kept some parts whilst rewriting others, so far it has faced no criticism. And don't think that just because nobody edits an article after you've made your mark that nobody notices it. They do: ALL Serbia/Albania related subjects are highly sensitive, and frequently monitored both by interested parties and neutral outsiders. This neatly leads me to another point, so far Mladifilozof has not won the sympathy of any other editor; not even those hardline Albanian editors (and there are a fair few of those). He is clearly working alone, but that is another reason we need to be reasonable with him.

Let him exploit his freedom, then we will revise and modify any defamatory editing; we will do this by using the discussion pages too, and everyone will be happy with nobody reported to admins. It will far better for you and me in the far future when it is seen that we have a healthy rapport with other users radically opposed to us. Is that all right? Evlekis (talk) 14:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Sorry you feel bitter about the scenario. By the way, I never for one minute suggested that all your edits of soccer articles are based on birthplace information, far from it. I see you have made major contributions and I hope you keep it up. You're right about articles being poorly presented and many of them are just plain short, in need of expanding. I confess that I knew very little about Mladifilozof's past. I guess that I was trying to say that he does not engage in edits wars at the moment. He is heeding the warning which is for his own good. Well the only promise I can make you is that I will keep a close eye on these sensitive issues and will intervene boldly if I feel he has introduced inappropriate material. I don't wish to see users spreading hate messages any more than you but then I am not discouraged or in any way downhearted just because I am compelled to engage in an edit war. I simply have to find a way or doing so creatively so it does not bare the hallmarks of two knuckleheads forever reverting each other. Hang on in there, you're doing a great job! Evlekis (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

World of Soccer Cup

Hi Cascais, thanks for the feedback concerning Zvezda's winning of the World of Soccer Cup.

I must admit I had just skimmed through the article referenced for the World of Soccer Cup wikipedia entry, and didn't notice that the competition consisted of two parts. However, the kerrydalestreet.com article is not clear whether the tournament in Singapore and the mini-league in Australia were considered separate competitions, and it implies that these were just two parts of the same thing, with the final winner being Celtic who were eventually given the cup pictured in the article. If that is the case, then Zvezda can only be considered runners-up.

On the other hand, it is possible that the article is biased since it was written by a Celtic fan and that the author simply forgot to mention that Zvezda also won some silverware in Singapore. In my opinion, unless we can prove that Zvezda did win some trophy in Singapore (probably by visiting Zvezda's trophy room or writing to them), we must assume that what kerrydalstreet.com article says is correct and that only one trophy was awarded (to Celtic). If Zvezda DID win the tournament in Singapore and have something to show for it, than the Singapore tournament was obviously a separate event, which would mean that it was not the World Soccer Cup that the wikipedia article is talking about. And I doubt that is the case. Cheers. Timbouctou (talk) 05:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war at Dimitrije Tucović

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Reply about c and ć

The reason I am moving all these last names is because someone that lives in Los Angeles does not have a keyboard with the letter ć, so if he or she searches for Vladimir Karalic, the page will not come up. But now that I have moved Vladimir Karalić to Vladimir Karalic, this is possible.

Reply...

Yes, I had a problem with Ninoslav Milenkovic....

If I typed this in, it would not even find him....not even give me some other options.

Reply...

No, every Bosnian/Serbia/Croatian/Slovenian player that I ever edited, I did the same thing.

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Personal attacks

Please remove this personal attack now. Calling editors selfish and stupid is highly uncivil. Knepflerle (talk) 20:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Montenegrin language issue

Hello again FkpCascais. What I am writing here, I could have written on the page where the discussion on Montenegrin language conventions is taking place but I decided to write this particular one here because this is intended to be personal (as opposed to public talk pages where one is primarily addressing an entire community even if directing comments towards one individual) and I don't want you to feel that I am attacking your position, something else you might have felt if I used the project page.

I've followed the main parts of the discussion involving Rave92; he is another user with whom I have previously communicated such as you. Now are you absolutely aware of the full extent of Montenegro's legal status and language issue? The Montenegrin speaker in Parliament (Ranko Krivokapić) officially announced that Montenegrin was to become the new official language within the constitution replacing Serbian. That said, a majority still declares its language Serbian and this as you know, goes beyond the Serbian population. However, baring in mind that if we are dealing with an outright Montenegrin issue, a person who is known to identify as Montenegrin, born in Montenegro, associating only with Montenegro and in a land which officially refers to all internal communication (written and spoken) as Montenegrin, do you still wish to apply the obsolete term Serbian to the article? If so, on what grounds? Answer this anywhere you feel best, project page, here, or my talk page. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OVSKI/OSKI

Good question! The honest answer is, I don't know!! :) I confess to being an -eski myself and people often incorrectly write me down as -evski and the same thing happened on the marriage certificate for my father's second wife. She is written as -evska when the other was intended. In the Prilep region of Macedonia, from where we originate, there is no leading /v/ before the skis. My guess is that one of the examples you gave (father or son) is most probably incorrect but has been fossilised in the inaccurate form. Either that, or we could have a case similar to the recent change I made from ič to ić. Evlekis (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if half are wrongly spelt or if any are. It may honestly be the case that one writes his name differently from the parents. Evlekis (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of two variant forms, simply use both names as equal headwords using the article name first. After the introduction (say the article is Xoxoski and you have stated also Xoxovski), continue to use Xoxoski. Place sources by each name so as to give the following appearance:

Petre Petreski [1] or Petre Petrevski [2] [3]...is a Macedonian drug dealer etc.. As you have something of a leading role, I doubt anyone will judge your decision which name you gived as primary. But if someone comes forward and moves the page or suggests moving it to Petrevski because his medical and army records are published as such, as well as his criminal record file by the fraud office, then by all means accept that person's information. That's my advice. Evlekis (talk) 22:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

José Espinal

He played at Italian Serie D in 2003-04 season. [3] Can you find which games he played in Albania? Footballdatabase have error, likes Filipe Melo. Matthew_hk tc 10:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the match report [4] Nuova Albano is NOT Dinamo of Albania. Zerozero is wrong. Matthew_hk tc 10:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
calciatori.com say he left for NUOVA ALBANO. [5]. According the rule in Lga Liga foreigners list (and in Serie A), inside the list were played at least once at the respective league. Please find a match report to prove he actually made hit debut on Albanian Superliga before added him to the list. Matthew_hk tc 10:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Mat. I remember this. You removed him from the list (I have all lists under watch) because your argument was "No source", and that is why I undo your edit. I don´t know the matches, but there are a hand full of sources saying he played there in that season. Hey, I´m not saying they are all right, but you can´t say that there are no sources. Just make a google search on Espinal,Dinamo,Tirana and, I´ll check, wait... here! Playerhistory.com, Soccerterminal.com, Footmercato.net, Zerozerofootball.net, Footballdatabase.eu, Footballtransfers.com, curriously enough, Transfermarkt-Espinal transfers is in your side now!

Hey, I´m not saying he surely played there. I don´t know, neither care much. But, your edit argument, about "no source" just isn´t right. You have to try to be less arrogant in your edits, and explain them, nobody here is your enemy. Hey, I even admit, you are probably right. But, so many sites saying he played there, hmmmm..., there must be something. Maybe he went for trials there... If you know anyone to have access to Playerhistory, there you could see how many games he played there. FkpCascais (talk) 10:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think someone play vandalism to these site, submitting wrong information to these site request them to update, so my primary argument is, use these site if lack to more reliable one. Juliano Pescarolo Martins is corrected by me, by submit a real information to zerozero. Matthew_hk tc 10:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About Espinal, try to speak with the list editor (its not me), he may know well Albanian football, or maybe post the question to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football? Hey, maybe what happend (my speculation) is something like the Spanish Antonio Moreno Ruiz in my favourite club Partizan Belgrade. He was signed from Sevilla in June 2007. He played there the summer tournaments, European cups qualification, and (not sure) maybe the first August League matches. Then in beggining of September, a nice offer from Mallorca came for him. Partizan sell him, and he continued his career in Lorca, as loaned from Mallorca. So, for 2007-08 season, he was Partizan, Lorca, and Mallorca player: Partizan (6/2007-9/2007), Lorca (9/2007-1/2008-Loan), Mallorca (1/2008-5/2008). So, by your standard, was he or not Partizan player? FkpCascais (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA only allowed player to play for 2 clubs from 1 July to 30 June each year or "calender season?" (except winter league switch to summer league, or he played a playoffs of previous season but after 1 July), but i don't know Serie D (non-professional football) count or not, Players could allowed to register for up to three clubs in a season. So, find a source which game he played at the start of 2003-04 season in Albania. FIFA always allowed international transfer all the season for free agent. Matthew_hk tc 11:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I´m just trying to help. I´m not an Albanian football specialist, neither I include D.Tirana club in the players article. But, for the list purpose, you just can´t argue that is unsourced. I don´t know Albanian football stats sites, and I have much else I wish to do first. I told you: Playerhistory is considered reliable, so please, try to find someone who has access to it (I don´t) and ask him to tell you what says after the Albanian flag. Hey, I´m glad to help, but I´m not going to search the net about him, sorry. You can also speak with the list editor, he seems to be Albanian football expert. FkpCascais (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see, you deleted it anyway. Well, I want revert you, but I honestly think that you should have discussed it first with the editor of that page. Again, he knows much more about Albanian football, and he can revert you, because he does have sources. Hey, neither Albanian Superleague neither Serie D are pro leagues, so he could have played in both that season, having the list editor the right to include him. FkpCascais (talk) 11:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of 2003-04 season, a forum post wrote he joined in September 2004, which is more possible as he played only 4 matches for Sapri. Matthew_hk tc 12:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just remember, we love football and statistics, so we shouldn´t be enemies, we should allways be friends. :) FkpCascais (talk) 12:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blažo Pešikan

Haha...ne pravim razliku između ćirilice i latinice. To su naša dva pisma zvanična! Još uvek ne mogu ništa da nađem o Mariju Ostojiću a hteo sam da te pitam ako bi mogli zajedno da napravimo članak o Blaži Pešikanu koji je igrao za klubove poput Partizana, Sutjeske i Hajduka iz Kule.

Možda ima nešto na onom sajtu ali ne mogu da nađem dovoljno informacije o njemu da bi napravio članak.

Možda nešto znaš i o Nenadu Stojčiću koji je igrao za Rad i u Torontu za Srpske bele orlove?

Veliki pozdrav!

Tempo21 (talk) 20:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Serbian Superliga

Olá meu caro amigo,

Eh pá, desculpa a sério, eu pensava que, independentemente da divisão ter um nome recente (agora sei que é desde 2006), servia para designar todos os jogadores (mesmo dos anos 30, etc) que tinham jogado na primeira divisão Jugoslava e/ou Sérvia (uma vez que não há uma categoria para ligas CROATA, BÓSNIA, etc). Desculpa o meu erro, não volta a acontecer.

Abraços também,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

Sorry, I didn't check who had created the page, I skipped streight to fact checking. The player certainly never played for River Plate or even appeared in a squad listing for the club. It seems that the only way that he could be considered notable is if he played first team football for OFK Beograd.

The reason I thought it might be an erroneous article is the fact that the Transfermarkt profile was deleted and the existence of some other players called Diego Suarez who has played lower league (semi-pro) football in Argentina and Spain and another called Diego Alejandro Suarez who was a youth team player at River Plate and currently plays for Central Córdoba. Neither of them are worthy of an article in my opinion, and I guess that someone at Transfermarkt got confused and created a hybrid article. If that is where you got your career chronology you may wish to amend the infobox if you consider the article worth keeping.

Apologies again for using the word hoax, even if the article creator was not a reliable editor of your standing, the correct wording would still have been "erroneous article". Regards King of the North East 19:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is my list of sources for Argentine football. Some are good, others not so good, If he played in Argentina between 1990 and the present he would certainly have an article here (apellido = surname).
As for Paraguayan league stats, I know of nothing useful, web coverage of their league is very poor compared to larger nations like Argentina, Brazil, Peru. Although Uruguay has half the population of Paraguay and Tenfield is brilliant. Anyhow, don't worry about a thing, I have also created some articles on players I truly believed were going to be world class (Pablo Vitti) who turned out to be duffers. Regards King of the North East 22:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Наравно!

Ајде да се договоримо...

Tempo21 (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnstar

File:R37-yo0365-Orden-dvoglavog-orla-s-macevima.png The Serbian Barnstar of National Merit
For major contribution in expanding and creating Serbia related articles. Tadija (talk) 15:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This WikiAward was given to FkpCascais by Tadija (talk) on 15:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, wait a sec. Let me wake up and see if this is real. ... It is, great! It´s a dream come trouth, many thanx!!! FkpCascais (talk) 20:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is only for ones that deserve it! :) All best, my friend! --Tadija (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Блажо Пешикан

Прво би хтео о Пешикану да направимо!

Tempo21 (talk) 21:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Matías Quiroga

Hi, Since you are proficient at Spanish could you help me to figure out what is going on with this bloke. See my comments here about the three contradictory sources. I think the article as I've improved it accuratly describes the player who now plays for Colo Colo but there is obviosly a lot of confusion.

As for Argentine women, I married one! Regards King of the North East 23:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I recently found this page perhaps you would be interested in joining the competition? King of the North East 23:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I've probably already done a few thousand over the years. Jogurney got a 2 week headstart for the 500 prize he signed up on 22 Jan so he's done 250+ already (the man is the king slayer of unsourced footballer BLP). I'm going to try and finish the task in 2nd place. Regards King of the North East 00:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've been on a stop start BLP crusade since at least April 2008 I don't think it's worth trying to find every player I've sourced, that wouldn't help the current problem, but I'm tempted to include them on the list as I find them while I trawl for other unsourced articles. King of the North East 01:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: your question at User:The_Wordsmith/BLP_sourcing

"Can someone explain to me how can I make a list of all articles I sourced recently?"

You'll just have to look through your own contributions list and pick out the articles you remember fixing up. You don't have to make a list of the articles you worked on, though -- it's nice to list your progress, but not necessary.--Father Goose (talk) 07:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanx Father Goose for answering me. Since I´m not allways as updated as I could be, I touth that maybe there is now some tool that can do this counting of sourced articles by us, hoping that way to avoid the borring work of doing it by going into my contibs historial. I have donne some good amount of articles by grabbing some country and doing the list. But, that was some weeks ago from now, so this days I have been quite bussy updating all the changes that happend in this transfer window. But, I promise that as soon as I finish, I´ll continue with the sourcing of articles deserving to stay here. Many thanx again, and best regards Father Goose! FkpCascais (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miloš Miljanić

Hi, perhaps you could find some details of this guy's career before he went to Central America? The inclusion of Yugoslavia in the nationalteams part of the infobox seems to be unsourced. Regards King of the North East 17:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hello, I've left you a message on my talk page. Timbouctou (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MLS player category

In most cases you would be correct that it is possible that a member of a team is not necessarily part of a league, so a member of Category:Manchester United F.C. players is not necessarily a member of Category:Premier League players, but in the case of Major League Soccer all members of a team category are also members of Category:Major League Soccer players. The reason for this is that MLS does not have promotion and relegation and when a team joins the league it does so as an entirely new team. So when Seattle Sounders FC joined MLS, it was as an entirely new franchise, not as the NASL team or the USL team. There are a few exceptions to this because MLS has a pool of goalkeepers that are not assigned to a specific team, but can be used by any team in case of emergency. As an example, Ben Dragavon is a member of the MLS player category because he is part of the GK pool, but he is also a member of the Seattle Sounders FC player category because he made an appearance for the Sounders. --Bobblehead (rants) 04:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of MLS, it is literally not possible to be a member of the team and not also a member of Major League Soccer. MLS has established itself as a "single entity" where all contracts are with the league and not with specific teams, so even if a player were to play in a competition (let's say CONCACAF Champions League), but never play in a regular season game they would still be a Major League Soccer player because their contract is with MLS and not with the team. Additionally, MLS owns all of its teams, so if a team were to fold, like Tampa Bay Mutiny and Miami Fusion did in 2002, that team completely ceases to exist and can not be reformed in a different league. --Bobblehead (rants) 04:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your note...

... replied on my talk page. Have a nice day. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

... and again. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 02:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dino Đurbuzović

Hi Filip. Thank you for the kind message. Strukljeva.net is a pretty good site for Yugoslav footballers from the 1980's (it's difficult to work with, but occasionally I find some players there). I was surprised that I couldn't find any sources for his spell in Turkey, but I'll try again some time. Unfortunately, the article is in poor condition, and he seems like a fairly important player (played in the top leagues of Yugoslavia and Turkey).

I noticed you have done a lot of BLP sourcing as well. Keep up the great work and best regards. Jogurney (talk) 17:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo, 1983

Hi FkpCascais, how is it going?

This edit caught my eye or better to say it's edit summary, on which you wrote: "Countrybirth correction (at his year of birth, 1983, SR Kosovo was a province of SR Serbia in the COUNTRY called SFR Yugoslavia.".

What I wanted to comment is that, Kosovo was not part of Serbia on 1983. From 1974 to 1989, it was part of Yugoslavia.

And yes, you are right, SFR Yugoslavia was the birthplace of Lorik Cana on 1983 (as we have discussed in the past). All the best. kedadial 00:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, in that article, my edit summary should have been SAP Kosovo. Please read that article before making statements like the one you did on my talk page. Personally, I wouldn´t mind that Kosovo became independent (I even support a quick resolution, even if that is to become the outcome), but please, stop rewritting the history. In 1983 Kosovo was part of Serbia, like it or not. In 1983, Kosovo was SAP Kosovo, (as the name "SAP" means, "Socialisticka Autonomna Pokrajna", meaning "Socialist Autonomous Province") a province of SR Serbia, that was a Republic of SFR Yugoslavia. Agree? FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you are right, my bad. It still technically was part of SR Serbia though largely autonomous and veto power on the federal level. kedadial 01:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So I really hope you agree that there is nothing wrong with my edit. We can change the future, but we can´t change the past. :) FkpCascais (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit was actually right, I just commented on the edit summary (based on what I have remembered and not what it really was). Thank you. kedadial 01:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Re:About Draža

What in the world makes you think I'm acting on my feelings and not on the five or so university publications I've listed in the article? Seems to me you might be the one who's preconceptions about this person may have been challenged by the cold hard facts I've based the edits on. Rest assured, before I completed the research on the subject, I did not edit the article. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:FkpCascais, you have no idea how many times I've had this conversation. Please read the discussions on Talk:Draža Mihailović and Talk:Chetniks. I recommend you read the Chetniks article's Axis collaboration section as well, it has selected information extracted almost verbatim from very high quality scholarly sources. Most of all, I recommend you set some time aside and read The Chetniks by Prof. Jozo Tomasevich, published by Stanford (you'll find the links everywhere).
As for "both side can find sourced backing": 1) the text is based on simple cold events - facts (Mihailović approaching the Germans or Nedić for example), not opinions or sholarly estimates, so there's really no doubt as to his collaboration; 2) No, you can't find sources of this quality claiming he was not a collaborator, and even if you do it will most likely be based on "opinions", and it will be vastly outnumbered by the sources to the contrary (there are a lot more publications). How do I know this? It was attempted before by people who were under the same misconception (a common misconception in Serbia, where a large number of people apparently harbor blatant illusions concerning the Chetniks and Mihailović).
In conclusion: believe me, this is the neutral point of view (NPOV). I am not at all acting in a biased way. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not talking about you, I don't know where you're from. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mislia sam da si Francuz, nisam ti pregleda userpage :) I thought you were French (Cascais, of course now I know its in Portugal, embarrassing... :), I did not mean to imply you were biased in this, just that you may not be fully informed. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

I've block you and DIREKTOR for edit warring on the page Draža Mihailović. Your both in open violation of the three revert rule, and I find that both of you have issues related to the page content. My advice to both of you is to leave the material alone. By the time this block expires, I'll have protected the article in question to keep both of you off the article until you can agree to edit civilly. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanx TomStar81. I asked for help in the talk pages of some projects (Military History and Serbia), and I touth a worning will come one edit before, so that is really why I reverted one last time. And also because I knew I was one edit behind the other editor also involved and I wasn´t really sure if all the last three edits of mine were reverts, or some were edits (I know this is not an excuse, but I just wanted to tell you anyway). I think I learned a lesson here, well, at least a few, by the way. This is my first ever block. I have already seen other editors being blocked, but it looks I didn´t quite get it how it works. Well, I must confess I am quite sad, I have turned myself in a wiki addict quite for some time now... I will definitly be more carefull and do all I can to avoid such confrontations. I just "lost it" there and we both surely deserve this. Many thanx again, and I hope you know, and I´ll anyway keep demonstrating it in the future, that this was an isolated incident. FkpCascais (talk) 06:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DIREKTOR

That user is a notorious Croat nationalist propagandist anti Serbs, anti Germans, anti Hungarians, anti Italians, etc. He supports criminal dictator Josip Broz, so asserted in his user page, then obvious hates Draza. Evidence:

3 RR violation but nobody blocked him despite report:

Well, what can I say... I supose gathering all this kind of behaviour and present it together may be a good way of demonstrating his inability to edit in a civil way here. His behaviour is not normal, and is pretty much identical to the one of some kind of very ill and frustrated person. He did learned quite few tecniques of propaganda, so he constantly accuses others of what he does, not even needing to mention his throwing of the rock, and then the constant victimization. The worst I supose that is the unwilingness to tell the trouth and to openly assume his positions. The most important is to gather all the problems he already had, (he was already blocked 4 times!) and present it to some admin. Right now, he is not my priority, but since he edits many articles of great importance, some action should be donne, soon. Thankx and keep in touch. FkpCascais (talk) 10:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I total agree with you! But 2 points are important very much:

  • he is not alone propagandist user, also user:PRODUCER is blatant titoist edit warrior, but here nobody has in user page pictures of Draza or Pavelic or Mussolini or Hitler!
  • sure Broz Tito was responsable of triple ethnic cleansing against Germans, Hungarians, Italians but these guys did section Draža Mihailović#ethnic cleansing and angry-lookingremove sourced crimes and triple ethnic cleansing ordered by Broz Tito putting nonsense list of awards and decorations because there is other article pertinent huge list by solo titoist
I am an administrator, uninvolved in editing this range of articles, whose attention was raised by this ANI post. Per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions I would note that the comments above are inappropriate as regards the open and collegiate neutral editing of the encyclopedia and, if acted upon, will likely swiftly result in sanctions. Please regard this as your only warning in this matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User...

You can use it if you want, but if not, just leave it here! :)

Cultural PropertyThis user participates in
WikiProject
Cultural Heritage of Serbia.

All best, --Tadija (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogue, not unilateral controversial edits

User:FkpCascais, even though my hands are sore from writing this by now, I'll attempt once again to impress upon you the necessity of discussing your controversial, unsourced edits, preferrably prior to their inclusion, and especially after you've benn reverted and the objections listed on the talkpage. Contrary to the false impression you may have gained from recent events, simply edit-warring to get your edit into the article is not how things are done on Wikipedia. Instead of mercilessly revert-warring, I recommend we simply follow the instructions in the {{controversial}} template placed at the head of the talkpage.

If you think I am a "Croat nationalist propagandist", you may be surprised to learn I am far more often in conflict with the (real) Croatian nationalists on enWiki than any Serbian user. In fact, the banned sock IP you are conversing with probably knows full well of my frequent conflicts with Croatian users calling me "anti-Croatian" and such other nonsense, but is deliberately misleading you. In conclusion, I am hereby extending an olive branch hoping dialogue will replace nonsense conflicts and plotting. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, unforutnately that's not how Wikipedia works. You either achieve an agreement with other users, or you don't edit at all. In other words, you are actually more-or-less required to talk to people until you achieve a consensus. This is why I've approached you myself. You cannot simply "not talk" to people, though you're certainly welcome to try. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 09:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hello FkpCascais. I can confirm from having been present of Wikipedia for some time that despite the nature of some of DIREKTOR's edits, he is not a Croatian nationalist. He has on many occasions clarified his inclination towards a Yugoslav federation, or atleast he values the country which existed pre-1991, and this has landed him in similar conflicts against actual Croatian knuckleheads who edit here to this ongoing running battle with you. It is another reason I feel that you ought to both try to patch up your differences. DIREKTOR is Croatian yes, and naturally in the fall of the brotherhood aspect of the old country, he has to side with his nation in a way that you may with Serbs, as I may also do on occasion with Macedonia (though I don't let it influence me that much). Even during Yugoslavia's finest hour, there was a little bit of bickering between Serbia and Croatia, even over issues which should have stood as a beacon of unity (like Belgrade and Zagreb crying like infants whose parents had taken away their sweets over which city should host the Eurovision in 1990!!). DIREKTOR is a good faith editor, and you are too. Evlekis (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Direktor, we have many opened channels to talk (articles talk pages), don´t we? So, I see no reason in having "private" talks, it is there where we need to "talk". I have responded you in all of them, didn´t I? Also, it looks that you have some understanding issues regarding me... I also really have no patience to listen to rude and manipulative people, so that is my right, not to desire having talks in each other talk pages, so please, respect it.

And Evlekis, I know he is not a Croat nationalist, but he is an extreme minded editor anyway (Titoist). He was rude, he continues to be, and is very manipulative. I have nothing against Tito (my gransfather worked and travelled with him, and I love some of his politics), that is not the question here, the question is in criminalizing ("collaboreation" is one of the most serious acusations), and that is simply not that simple in this subjects (Chetniks and Draza). His "criminalization" of them can only be the result of two options: unknolledge or bad faith, but I really don´t care. So, my intention here is not to make friends, I want to edit articles, and I will just stop thinking so much about other editors wills, and do more for the good editing of the articles themselfs. I was also quite dissaponted with you, because you left your own opinion influnce the edits in question. One thing is what we think and like (I am also not a Chetnik) and another is the reality and the NPOV editing. You should really think if the Chetniks were so Nazy as Direktor intends to make them... and why should I not intervene, as you recomended me to. FkpCascais (talk) 22:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC) And I was forgetting, all the best for your newborn. Despite this not being a perfect world (far from it), more "mini-Evlekisis" are very much needed! Big hugg from me. ;) FkpCascais (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

Thanks a lot! This is very kind of you. I've always known that you could be a good editor. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BLP sticky PROD

Hi FkpCascais!. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best will in the world, it is just not possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that the article may have to go if the creator or major contributors cannot justify their work.
For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at WT:BLP PROD TPL on the development of templates that are designed to encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without scaring away the newbies who might not be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not another a licence to kill for the deletionists, in fact the very idea of it is to ensure that you are not fighting a losing battle. It would be great if you could look in at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to engage in a hefty debate on incusion/deletion policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dishlenkovich

Yes, Dishlenkovich is ethnic Serb, but he is the Ukrainian footballer as he is not Serbian anymore. He is the Ukrainian citizen, not a legionnaire, therefore he is Ukrainian. You missed to see some other wondrous edits, sort of hate-attacks. I do not think that footballers should be the victims. Ukraine knows numerous cases when players playing for Ukraine afterwords were playing for other countries. I do not support the fact that he was allowed it, but I am against of prohibiting a free will if it legally does not interfere with any laws. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another example is that if you know the Russian empress Yekaterina the Great was ethnic German, yet still she is not a German statesman, but Russian, of course.Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes. I totally agree with that. Are you telling me that he is not Ukrainian? Look at his passport. Another thing about the Ukrainian citizenship. It is only allowed if the person has no citizenship of any other country. You have to renounce the citizenship of other country to accept the Ukrainian. It is not mandatory to do so in case you want to change in other way. I do not think I am missing your point. He is ethnic Serb who is Ukrainian. How can I prove it? You have to ask for his passport. It is recorded fact. He was a Serbian footballer, but currently he is Ukrainian. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And national team does not have to be a primary in anything. Primary in anything are only the facts of life. The other thing is how we want to interpret them. Do we want to interpret them the way they are or the way we want them to be? It is a topic of discussion that can be argued with no end and I doubt that we will find a consensus on it. I only hope that will not reflect on game of his national team. Go Srbija! :) Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that is fine. I did not know about the fact that it discussed already. What about players that played for multiple teams like Ferenc Puskas and Alfredo Di Stefano or Akhrik Tsveiba for that matter. Is Di Stefano Columbian? Is Tsveiba Ukrainian? Is Salenko, the World Cup record setter, Ukrainian? Did they mention them? A trivia question. Who scored the most goals in a single game at the World Cup finals? Russian or Ukrainian? Just a food for thought... Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also there is always much simpler alternative - avoid any claims. Like Dislenkovic, who is a native Serb, plays there and there. That way you do not go into the realm of politics. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, I am not making a polemic here. I only made sure that you are indeed aware of that whole issue on that topic. As I said before, that is fine, meaning your point. It was not even me at first who claimed to be other than Serbian. I only got rid of some stupid statements. You can check them out at discussion of the article if they weren't totally deleted. Hey, you say he is Serbian then you are probably right. I will not challenge that. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Dishlenkovich is solid performer. He is not the best, but he plays well. As I understand he sees that his years are running away from him and he lost a hope to play for Serbia and tired of worrying playing there. This way he does not only solve the problem with employment, but also frees himself from any obligations for the national team as the current management does not seem to put much faith in him. On the other hand Serbia made it to the finals therefore there seem to be plenty of competent players out there. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Serbian second and third division

Hi, my name is Razvan (Romania), we have a discussion last year about Mike Temwanjera and you said that I can contact you if i have a question about serbian football. I'm making a comparation between the second and third league in Romania and in other countries. I searched and I saw that the second league in Serbia have 18 teams and the third league is divided into four groups. I have some questions for you :

- When was the system changed to the current one ? - Do the teams have problems with the money (in Romania, this season, we had 5 or 6 teams that were relegated because of the lack of funds)?

If you know, you can inform me the same thing about the bosnian, croatian or another ex-yugoslavian countries. Thank you very much!

--razvanflorian (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI

Please view the section entitled "User:FkpCascais", a thread raised at ANI regarding you. Cheers, SGGH ping! 23:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for persistent disruptive editing, including slurs against other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Black Kite 01:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

FkpCascais (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It is really hard to beleve that the user:direktor arguments convinced you of blocking me. I do know that I have used some of the language I shouldn´t have but, it was written by me as a result of continuos unseriousness and provocation (indirect insults, as well) on his behalve. And, we are talking about a debate that took place on a talk page a long time ago. We were both blocked after it because we both reverted each other 3 times, and the agreement was not to edit related pages until there is some consensus reached in the Draža Mihailović talk page (about his nazy collaboration, a serious acusation), where I (and not user:direktor) was the one trying to archive a consensus. I respected the agreement, and direktor break it yesterday by directly insisting in his edits, and editing the same pages again, completely ignoring the discussion in the talk page, where, by the previous agreement, we should finish the discussion, before editing those pages, so it is really Direktor who broke the agreement. I only reverted the edits and asked the user to finish the discussion, and I even asked another Administrator for advice and intervention. So, the other user breaks the agreement, and I am the one punished? Couldn´t you at least check my edit history here? I am still shocked with the block. An worning (to both, direktor is much more disruptive than me, making impossible any kind of normal dialogue), and a appeal to work on reaching an agreement would have been far more productive. I am not sure you know, but I am the one asking for NPOV here, and I was supported by other users, while direktor is the one monopolizing the article, manipulating each others words, and insisting in a highly dubious, extereme POV. A debate is waiting for him, an agreement on not unilaterally editing the articles was reached, and I w<as the one respecting it, while he breake it. You could please read the talk page, each other actions, and see the trouth by yourself. I do promise to be much more carefull about the language that I use, and I will use my right of complaining when confronted again by this, but I honestly hope that you will see the unjustice that was donne to me, and unblock me so I can continue my work that I am doing here for some time now. Thanx

Decline reason:

You had already been warned about the consequences of disruptive editing on any Eastern European article (per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions). You have edit-warred, removed sourced material because you don't like what it says, and made personal attacks against another editor, so it should come as no surprise to you that you have been blocked. If you didn't read that link to the Arbitration Committee's binding ruling that LessHeard vanU provided, now would be a good time. We follow a zero-tolerance policy on disruption in that area. For these reasons and because you have continued to attack another editor in your request (contrary to the advice here), this unblock request is declined. Please be very careful to follow Wikipedia's verifiability, neutrality, reliable sourcing and civility policies when the block expires. Should they be necessary, subsequent blocks will be longer. EyeSerenetalk 09:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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FkpCascais (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am sorry, but I made those reverts on the pages because it was pre-condition made by user:TomStar81 when he locked the page, that no edits were made around the collaboration fact until a consensus is reached. I only reverted those edits. After some time, the page was unlocked but I refrained from editing since the consensus was not reached maynly because of the abscence of Direktor at the discussion.I refrained from editing those pages, and I wanted to finish the debate. I am guilty of some words directed towards the other user, but otherwise, I have not been neither disruptive neither have I broke any WP rule. I even asked for help from another administrator. And also, I didn´t "removed sourced material" because I don´t like it but because I am challenging the neutrality of the sources, as adequatly expressed it before. Also, the same source are very dubious about the contenet, being hardly clear, as the other editor says. The user:direktor is continuing his campaign against me. I am asking please to give me the chance to defend myself and demostrate to everybody that I am not a disruptive editor. I studied the issue and I understand now the reason of the block. I was also in a process of updating the football clubs squads lists, and I was interropted now. I would really like to finish it as soon as possible. I am asking please to give me a chance to demonstrate that I am a good wikipedian. :( Please, a week block is really too hard punishment. FkpCascais (talk) 09:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

As was pointed out by EyeSerene in their reply to your previous unblock request, you were warned that this could happen. Technically, this is a block for violating a sanction placed by WP:ARBCOM, so actually a single admin would be putting their adminship on the line by agreeing to go against that decision, and I don't see any compelling reason to do that for you today. You could try emailing the ban appeals subcommittee, or just wait it out, it's almost half over already. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

As I pointed out several times on two different articles: you cannot challenge the neutrality of scholarly university publications simply by declaring the Stanford scholar biased - based on your opinion that he "must" be, since he's a Croat by ancestry. Your personal dislike of Croats, so unfortunately typical around here, is not grounds for dismissing a source of the highest quality. Not to mention that you talked only about one source, and did not even mention the other five that were not written by persons of "anti-Serbian" ancestry. (I felt that the matter needed a quick clarification.) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please, we were asked to discuss in the place where the discussion was taking place, so why didn´t you? And also, I asked you not to speak directly with each other any more. You reverted the edits you were blocked for! And you ignored the discussion! And you constantly insult me and accuse me of everything. I am not deniying collaboration, you are the one pushing your best to the "collaboration" theory. He was condecorated for "resisting", and you are ignoring it. I have no problems with Croats, and other wikipedians can confirm it. Please, discuss where the discussion is taking place, and you should be blocked for your recent behavior. Admins, please help! This situation is enormously unfair and outragious! What is this, a show-off from him??? Can´t you see what a provocative attitude after all this is? FkpCascais (talk) 12:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the formatting of your second unblock request - I hope you don't mind. I won't review it though, another admin will do that. Other than the incivility which you've acknowledged (and your assurance regarding that is helpful), your unblock request still doesn't show that you understand what the problem was with your editing. You made six reverts recently to Chetniks - see WP:EW - which were resisted by multiple editors, not just DIREKTOR. Perhaps DIREKTOR shouldn't really have been been making reverts either in a content dispute (see WP:3RR; enforcing consensus is not an exception), but he wasn't edit-warring against consensus as you were, he wasn't removing sourced material, and in any case your unblock request should address your edits, not his. You were right to start a discussion, but that doesn't excuse your continuing the edit war. I hope this makes it clearer why you were blocked. If you object to DIREKTOR posting here I'm sure he'll respect your wishes, although part of assuming good faith is making the assumption that he's trying to help, not provoke, you. EyeSerenetalk 13:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are right EyeSerene. Also, thank you very much for formating my request and for having the patience of dealing with this issue and for your explanation. I must confess that I am aware of the majority of the WP rules for some time now. I also never had any bigger problems before this issue came up, and I was already blocked twice because of it.
Regarding the Chetniks and Draža Mihailović collaboration issue, I already explained all the reasons in the talk:Draža Mihailović page. It goes pretty much around the fact that those articles were very much edited in the way of demonstrating their collaboration with Nazy Germany, and much effort was donne to ignore the fact that they were an important resistence movement and Mihailovic was condecorated by the USA and France for his resistence effort during WWII. The problem here lies very much around the fact that I am leaving all collaboration part, and I am only adding some minor changes so the articles are more NPOV written. But, here comes the problem with user:direktor, that completely monopolizes the articles and does his best to incapacitate any changes to them.
So, all my last period reverts are about the adding of them in the "collaboration in Yugoslavia template". All this has to do with the discussion opened on the Mihailovic talk page. I already explained that a 3 side war doesn´t necessarily have to be a 2 side war, but Direktor, an assumed Titoist (communist, anti-monarchist) and a Croat, insists in editing the articles in his perspective, about a Serbian Monarchic movement, that is quite different from the overall, and quite polemic. I was the one asking for help many times, and in many different project talk pages.
Regarding him, I know that the WP:AGF is obrigatory, but I must confess that regarding him, it is very difficult to asume it. His constant manipulation just make him loose all credibility. I already asked him to respect my will about us not talking directly any more, so let´s if he is capable of respecting that. Also, attention, he just reverted the text to the same form that was in the previous edit war, from where we resulted blocked, so I can´t really assume that he wants nothing else but another edit war, since I had not receved any previous answer to the case that I largelly (it is in the entire talk page) exposed in detail.
I am really sorry for having said many things I did, and I already was doing enything to avoid confrontation. But, I did exposed my case in the place where we had said we will, and it was him that escaped from returning there. I do, obviously understand that not all edits need consensus, and other edits were donne to the articles (that Direktor reverted), but I just reverted the ones that were going around the same (collaboration) issue. It was very much the same edit reverted over and over again. Also, when we were blocked, the Mihailovic page was blocked by an Admin, and he said that the page will remain blocked until a consensus between us is reached, so it wasn´t me who came up with the consensus issue. I simply respected it.
Anyway, this is already working as an enormous lesson for me in many ways. And this was definitelly a very bad experience, that I will do everything to avoid in the future. WP fortunatelly has many optional methods of solving conflicts, so lowering the level of debate is never a honorable answer. FkpCascais (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Disclaimer: please note carefully the fact that I am NOT a communist. Titoism, you should also note, is a form of national communism. I am neither a Titoist, nor a communist. In fact I am against communism. I say "carefully" as any additional attempts at badmouthing me to other users by falsifying my political views will be reported as provocation and a breach of Wikiquette. This is not the first time you have been informed of this.
In case you wish me to cease posting at this talkpage please say so clearly, but keep in mind that you do not hold the right to forbid me from addressing you elsewhere (as you seem to have thought). If not, then talkpage communication can remain open. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Direktor, you are the one wanting to be labeled as "Titoist", and he was a "Communist", so, in fact, I said that YOU are Titoist, and that HE (Tito) is Communist and anti-monarchist, so by this, don´t get too excited, I wasn´t talking about you, but him (Tito), I really don´t care much about your personal views... But, if you assumingly act as "Titoist", you are definitelly possibly going to be labeled as "Communist" (he was the president of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia) so, it´s really a problem you will have to deal with.

About the second issue, it really looks like you are having some problems with my level-3 English... hmmmm, strange, usully people claiming that speak perfectly English have no problems whatsoever understanding me, specially if I say things correctly and insistently. It looks more like a case of your good education and your capacity to absorve information, needing to check things a great number of times, so you can be sure what is going on and what are people talking about. Also, it has been quite a habit that you usually allways conveniently understand things in a oposite, and keep having doubts, when it comes to subjects that you look to have troubles (or simply don´t wan´t to) understand. For last time:

DIREKTOR:Discuss in the talk pages (don´t be affraid finishing the debates with me) and we already have an enormous unfinished discussion where you were expected but you didn´t, and, resumingly, we have no reason whatsoever to have private conversations, specially if our main debate still isn´t over (in the D.Mihailovic talk page, you know where, don´t you?).

Since our discussion here is not finished yet, I will ask you clearly to revert all changes that you donne in the pages of Draža_Mihailović, Chetniks and in the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism and wait until we reach a consensus, as user:TomStar81 has told us to do when he locked the page og Mihailovic. Discuss in the places where the discussions take place, and don´t "escape" to personal talk pages as you seem to allways do when found in disadvantage.

So, please don´t post your comments on my talk page anymore.

(FkpCascais (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, he could´t respect me, and posted a comment again. FkpCascais (talk) 13:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um pedido simples

Olá meu amigo, espero que tudo esteja ótimo contigo, VASCO por aqui,

Bom, primeiro lamento os problemas que parece que tens tido com alguns assuntos no WP, este site é maravilhoso mas também tem que se lhe diga ás vezes...Espero que tudo se resolva pelo melhor.

O meu pedido é: por favor deixa os clubes estarem comprimidos no "box", mostrando só o nome completo na história. Reparei que há uns tempos puseste "Académica de Coimbra" num jogador, não é preciso, que eu saiba só há UMA equipa chamada assim, há que comprimir tanto quanto possível as "caixinhas". Outra coisa em compressão: acho que YUGOSLAVIA e/ou SOVIET UNION chega bem em "País de nascimento", não percebo o porquê de juntar os SFR e SFSR, é escusado e pode por-se por extenso (ainda fica melhor) na história (podes ver o exemplo daquilo que falo em Veljko Paunović). E já agora, em jeito de informação "wiki-histórica": não percebo a diferença entre os artigos Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia e Yugoslavia, podes-me explicar?

Folgo também em saber que te puseste de acordo com o Matthew HK, é bom trabalhar em equipa. Eu também gostava de ter amigos, na WP e fora dela, mas não se pode ter tudo :(...

Abraços, bom fim-de-semana,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Foste bem claro, pá, muito obrigado! Mas devo dizer-te que cometeste dois erros (não imperdoáveis :)!!): O clube de Viseu é o ACADÉMICO, não ACADÉMICA, e o clube albanês parecido ao FK PARTIZAN é PARTIZANI, como vês, dá para comprimir. Dou-te alguma razão no RED STAR (há mais que um), embora eu prefira comprimir (mas só no "box", aparece SEMPRE RED STAR BELGRADE na história, pelo menos quando "eu mando").

De resto, explicações bem entendidas, boa "lição". Um forte abraço também para ti e boas festas! VASCO, Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

control

User:Anon7mous, PRODUCER, DIREKTOR and AlasdairGreen27 are by the same person: you can ask ceck user control —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.25.163.32 (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

this is old case: wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DIREKTOR/Archive but you can open new case! PRODUCER and DIREKTOR are obvious same guy: both with all capital letters, both with 8 letters and same Croat ultra nationalist political agenda; Anon7mous and AlasdairGreen27 are obvious related accounts probably by various computers but sure that is alone guy who goes across cities of Croatia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.95.230.131 (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Good contributions, thanks!

Thank you for your enormous contributions in the soccer pages in general and in List of Albanian football players playing abroad in particular! --sulmues talk contributions 13:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind note. I think we have lots in common because of soccer. Although soccer should be separate from nationalistic issues, it paradoxcally is an extraordinary factor to bring nations together, more than it is to keep them apart. Many people know and are familiar with different countries because of soccer. It's through soccer that I started to contribute in Wikipedia anyways and I ended up doing all sort of articles. I really share your opinions about better representing soccer in former Yougoslavia and in general Balkanian soccer. Two tournaments that I think should be better represented are the Balkan Cup and the Balkans Cup. Unfortunately there is very little on the web about them, but plenty has been written in paper. I think and hope that one day these tournaments will be revived, in order to reinforce local Balkanic soccer. Similar tournaments occur in the Skandinavian countries or the Baltic countries, and the Balkan Cups (be it for the national teams or the city teams) will have a tremendous impact for international experience of young players. In between we have to represent in Wikipedia as many athletes as possible who have made the history of the sport in our countries. An example: while making some edits in this article (Balkan Cup), I think an article is warranted for Božidar Sandić, a Serbian footballer of the 40s. You might want to check him out. --sulmues talk contributions 18:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar with the history of José Espinal. My knowledge of the Albanian soccer after 1995 is limited as I left Albania at that time. Stadiums in Albania now have less than a tenth of the spectators of what they used to have in the '80s. However, please feel free to contact me especially on national teams and their statistics. In addition, you may are aware of many players of Serbian descent that play now in Albania, especially in Apolonia Fier and Vllaznia (currently 4 in the former and 1 in the latter). Bozidar Sandic: I couldn't find anything on him either, but he was a member of the Yougoslav national football team in the 40's and a strong one I suppose. --sulmues talk contributions 13:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was sure you'd find something on Božidar Sandić and yes, he deserves an article, who would better do it than you? Had I known Serbian, I would write it myself, because he honored the Balcan Cup tournament with his presence, but I guess it'll be you or someone else. Cheers. --Sulmues Let's talk 18:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

I filed the request for Draza Mihailovic article that needs your acceptance (signing) Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Draza_Mihailovic. BoDu (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that the request should be extended to the article Chetniks and to the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism. Please, give your suggestion for the description of the issues as you think may be acceptable to all parties involved (it must be done within seven days). BoDu (talk) 14:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Tekma Japan - Srbija

I ja sam nesto razmisljao o tome i zakljucio da se racuna. Slican slucaj je bio, npr, na turniru u Indiji 2001, kada su ucestvovali samo igraci iz domace lige. Na RSSSF o tome pise: "Yugoslavia won the Millenium Cup tournament in India. However, these matches were not considered official internationals since the Yugoslavs a sort of fielded a Yugoslav League All-Star team rather than an “A” team. But players were awarded caps for these games".[12] Dakle, utakmica se upisuje igracima, iako se ne smatra da je igrao A tim. Nadam se da je ovo od nekakve pomoci. Pozdrav.--Vitriden (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI/I

Please view the section entitled "WP:NPA & User:FkpCascais", a thread raised at WP:ANI regarding your behavior. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Request for mediation accepted

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Thank you so very much. I´m entirely on your disposition on this. :) FkpCascais (talk) 17:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your editing privileges have been suspended for 24 hours

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

Per the discussion at ANI and particularly this edit, if you are not willing to follow the advice given that would diminish the disruption and announce your intent to continue to pursue a course of action that will result in further disruption then your account will be blocked - as is the case here. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

FkpCascais (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me what did I done wrong here:

  • 1 - I receve this offensive message on my talk page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFkpCascais&action=historysubmit&diff=357494438&oldid=357491118 "...you can kiss your sorry ass goodbye."
  • 2 - I report it, as agreed in case I receve any more offensies: ANI report.
  • 3 - User:Beeblebrox makes a comment on the ANI report that equalises the behavior of the user that made a WP:NPA on my talk page with mine, and suggests me to "drop this matter".
  • 4 - I find the comment unfair, I ask User:Beeblebrox to find the reason for making such a comparison, and I explain that I didn´t had almost any contact with this user. I also alert this case to some admins so I can possibly get some advice...
  • 5 - I don´t have any more interventions since (05:46).
  • 6 - I get blocked. (12:41 ,7 hours since any intervention of mine) Reason: (Disruptive editing: Refusal to disengage upon complaint)

I am sorry but how can I possibly not complain, and understand that a user that told me twice in the same edit the words "...you can kiss your sorry ass...". This is clearly a violation of WP:NPA. I had antecipated this behavior because this user has already been uncivil with me and behaves quite provocatively: [13], [14], and I called his attention to it several times (that we should keep civil beside discussion disagreements).

I was not ever rude or uneducated with the user that posted this offensive comment on my talk page, and I can´t possibly understand why am I being punished for not wanting to cope with this sort of behaviour. And I am still amaised that this user didn´t even get a warning! This is definitelly not being a good exemple for WP and I am being very disapointed about the resolution for this situations. I had already complained about this user, my report was ignored and I keep having this kind of behavior (even worste now). Instead of trying to stop this, this way users are just being encouraged to keep their attitutde and the reporting of them is being presented as unusseless and punishible.

Resuming, I am told: "kiss your sorry ass", I report it and I am punished...

Can I ask please to be unblocked, I promise not to persue this issue any more. I just wanted to get these offensive comments directed towards me stoped.

Decline reason:

Might be willing to consider this if you acknowledge your own misconduct; see comments below. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Problem: "kiss your sorry ass good-bye" is not a violation of WP:NPA ... unless you believe that you believe that he's actually referring to your ass specifically. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. You will note that in the ANI discussion, both of you have actually been warned...nevertheless, WP:NOTTHEM applies. Care to rethink your unblock request accordingly, or shall we just let it run the full 24hrs? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It may not be an attack, but it's certainly uncivil; were I in Fkp's position, I probably would have raised concerns about that as well. However, in looking through the edits that led to the "kiss your ass goodbye" comment, your conduct was somewhat disruptive (removing comments by other users at mediation, making pointed comments towards others when confronted about it). From what I can tell, it's the forumshopping [15] [16] after Beeblebrox had said you were both in the wrong (he didn't single you out) and asked you both to stop. This seems to be a good block, although I may be willing to consider it if you a) agree to disengage from this and b) acknowledge your own misconduct in this matter. In the future, if you find yourself getting frustrated with another editor, take a step back before your own conduct gets you into trouble as well. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hersfold, I am extremely gratefull for your spared time and patience in having analised my request. I feel trouly sorry to be in a situation where I must admit that I feel happiness in cases when my position is simply understood. I have been found myself in a extremely difficult and unpleasent situation here, while working for a long time now to be a good wikipedian. I found myself confronted with cases of uncivility, or others that may require reporting it, several times lately, ([17], [18], [19]) but unfortunatelly, I had found a succesion of people much more applied in finding excuses for the behavior of people I report, that simply doing something to stop it and prevent it. I was even asked not to make further reports.I wished I had people defending me on this report [20] in wich I didn´t even had a chance to defend myself. In case of one report I did, as response, I had the first almost repeated [21]. While the users that I complain are quite usually involved in incidents, I have barely any experience in reporting nobody and I didn´t had almost any problems before I get involved here.
Regarding the case itself, I removed the other users comment for the simple reason it was wrongly placed there. The mediation request section is named "Additional issues to be mediated" and the comment doesn´t contribute with any "additional issue", but is rather a users POV resume of the dispute. I did acknolledge my mistake mostly because I should had pointed this out to the user that had posted the comment, but what better way to demonstrate acknolledgement of my mistake than by undoing my own edit returning the post in the place, as I did, shortly after? It was when the post was already back in place when I started receving treatening posts by that user on my talk page, and without answering, I ended insistently receving more agressive posts that ended in that one.
I do acknolledge that seaking help and contacting other admins on this case was definitelly not the best way to procede, and I was wrong. But, I also wished I was defended the way that those users were... I also find quite incorrect that the user doesn´t have to apologise to me for the words he said, and has not even been directly and frontally warned about it. Having users around using these expressionsand behaving this way can only harm WP.
Thank you so very much again, but I´ll just wait for the block to expire and I´ll be definitelly much more carefull regarding other users posts. Best regards. FkpCascais (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovan footballers

Putting aside our misunderstandings and different views, I would like to ask you something which could be an idea for a new article: do you know where I can find a list of Kosovan footballers capped for other national teams (including Yugoslavia/Serbia&Montenegro/Serbia)? You know better than me the history of Kosovo: footballers were forced to "scatter", even due to Kosovan diaspora, and played for various national teams (Albania, Serbia, Finland, Switzerland...). It would be interesting to group all the Kosovo-born footballers who played in foreign national teams. --necronudist (talk) 10:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure it's been helpful! Thank you really much! Do you think the FFK can be of help? Or they know less than us? --necronudist (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll try... hope they understand English ;-) --necronudist (talk) 13:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Buuuuuuuuh que medo!!!

Olá meu caro,

Pois é, não sei o que se há-de fazer, e eu já estou a perder a paciência, o que não queria que acontecesse (não vale a pena só por isto). Já falei com administradores (não para bloquearem, nem pensar) e com utilizadores alemães (para ver se falam com o gajo, ele não é NÍVEL 4 em Inglês, nem pensar!!!), nada feito.

Parece que a estratégia terá que ser "REVERT, BLOCK, IGNORE" - tirando o BLOCK - e cada um à sua...Mas não percebo este compadre, será que ele é mesmo um zombie? Sim, e a estrelinha que recebeu, e não agradeceu, não percebi (a segunda parte, parece-me de um total desinteresse e desrespeito pelos WIKI-amigos e colegas).

Bom ficamos por aqui amigo. Só digo uma coisa: dava jeito ou não se a Jugoslávia ainda fosse só uma equipa, para este Mundial? Uma dupla Nikola Žigić/Ivica Olić podia fazer estragos...Abraços, VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mladen Brkić

Please see my edit for Mladen Brkić. I think he'll win the Albanian Golden boot this year. --Sulmues Let's talk 06:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bozidar Sandic: He played for Ofk Beograd [22]. Funny because in the Balkan Cup he played against Albania coached by Broćić and then Broćić had him as a player in the 1947-1948 season. Happens.
Yes Sulmues means striker. When I play soccer, I stay in the middle of the attack or on the right side, Gullit style, hehe.
My team is SK Tirana, I'm a very old supporter of that team, even though I am disenchanted with Albanian soccer nowadays: I just look at the national team, the rest is really low quality. In addition, too much betting contributes to the ruin. Don't look at the 1987 loss with Flamurtari as a big loss for Fkp Partizan: Those days Albanian players were at an excellent level and Flamurtari drew Barcelona twice that same year: Barcelona passed thanks to the away goal. The year after Flamurtari beat Barcelona in Vlore and lost in Spain thank to a very corrupt referee. Bottom line, Flamurtari wasn't that bad of a team at that time and I would have ranked Sokol Kushta as probably one of the top 20-25 best strikers of Europe of that time: He has scored from midfield too: he had speed and precision. Had he been able to go abroad at that time, he would have made it to a good mid Seria A team.
Best luck to Brkic. He'll be a good bridge of friendship.
Another bridge of friendship (besides Fadil Vokrri): Ljubiša Broćić.
Albania drew Portugal 0-0 in Braga with Arie Haan coach and lost in the last minute 2-1 in Tirana with Kuze coach. We're now a team at the level of Belarus, go figure when we'll grow.
And thank you for the very kind note, I really liked reading it! See you around --Sulmues Let's talk 16:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resposta

Olá "compadre", VASCO "por aqui",

Em relação à tua dúvida, o EDNILSON só jogou pelos SUB-21 de Portugal, nada mais. O NILTON, segundo um link que achei e que pus no artigo dele, melhorando o aspecto geral da coisa também, já jogou por CABO VERDE (apesar do grande NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.com não acusar nada, nem para ele nem para o EDNILSON).

Abraços também, bom fim-de-semana,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i met the same problem as you

..with the same user:DIREKTOR, but on another side of his interested area of wikipedia. His making IMHO the project drifting away on the articles regarding his position. Look how he censored my attempt to set a dialogue on his discussion page. I'm with you. Regards,--Theirrulez (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone, has cancelled my contribution form this talk page! I was forced to restore it... what's happening?--Theirrulez (talk) 21:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone, has cancelled my contribution form this talk page for the third time! I was forced to restore it... I ASKED WHAT IS HAPPENING?

Yes sir he did again, he violated several times the WP:3-RR, but despites he already noticed me for sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and more, I just promised him I want to start a dialogue, so I will not be the one who notice him for that, for the moment.
Regards --Theirrulez (talk) 04:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you believe it must be reported, feel free to do it.
I choose this time not to do..
Transeat...

Buonanotte --Theirrulez (talk) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

hej

Pisacu na engleskom. So... the chetniks were on the side of the germans - but only in late 1944. When the monarchs no longer recognized them, and when they no longer got any help from the allies, they turned to the germans. My problem is that Direktor portrays them as German allies since day one. (LAz17 (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)). I think it is problematic that there is no mention of the Treaty of Vis. With that, in 1944, the Chetniks lost their backing. Since then we can say that they were not with the allies. They should have disbanded then. (LAz17 (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2010 (UTC)). Another thing that I recommend is to start collecting sources that talk about the allied support and whatnot that the chetniks have done. And german actions against them. Tim Judah's book talks about how the Chetniks collaborated with the germans because the germans were simply killing too many civilians. And that is quite reasonable, when 5000 people get slaughtered in one city in one day... what is one supposed to do... (LAz17 (talk) 15:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

In order to help or not to help the first question is do we agree on what is going on. Some people for example would say that the chetniks never collaborated with the nazis and paint the partizans as the biggest evil in the world. It is necessary to recognize that here was collaboration, and that since 1944 they were not legitimate as defenders. (LAz17 (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
LAz, the issue is about Draža Mihailović. There is no question at all that tens of thousands of Chetnik troops themselves collaborated as early as 1942, regardless whatever the two of you may or may not state - we have actual collaboration agreements between the Chetniks and the NDH, the Chetniks and Italy, and finally the Chetniks and the Wehrmacht, all in archives and referred to in scholarly secondary sources. I did recommend you read up on the issue, and I did recommend you skim through the Axis collaboration section of the Chetniks article did I not?
Anyway, since you do admit that the Chetniks collaborated for two years (1944/45), Fkp won't like that since it would require that we mention Draža Mihailović's collaboration in the lead. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of if they were or were not collaborating in 1942, the fact is that the allies recognized them as being no the side of the allies. The Chetniks were the main recipients of allied beyond 1942. Selective collaboration against an insurgent communist rebel force which was not loyal to the king does not equate to being on the side of the axis since 1942. So I think that you should go complain to the British and American governments for supplying the Chetniks even into 1944. Please really reconsider what you are arguing - that the Anglo forces were supplying hitler's soldiers... give me a break. (LAz17 (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
So fkp, I guess we are going to have to be enemies, now that you started opposing me. Nice choice. (LAz17 (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
If it is not important as you say, then you should feel free to remove what you wrote, or write "weak keep". (LAz17 (talk) 03:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Ostavi me na miru. Radio sam mnogo u vezi sportova na vikipediji, ne samo za Crvenu Zvezdu, vec i za USD Bosnu, JSD Partizan, i OSD Beograd. (LAz17 (talk) 03:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
To sto si dodao na kraju je provokacija,[23] da idem da placem. Idi mozda ti jedi malo govna - kako bi zvucalo da to kazem? Nepomaze stanju. Ja sam suprotno od mog misljenja doso da ti pomognem za onog italijanskog hrvata - jer postoji nesto sto sto se zove CCCC. Ali vidim da ti neznas ni sta je to, i dakle ti si izabrao da se nepodrzavamo. (LAz17 (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Faust Vrančić, ocigledno. (LAz17 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
???? Gle to stvarno nisi bio ti. ??? Jebo lud zbunjenog ovde. (LAz17 (talk) 04:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Izvinjavam se sto sam bio malo grup veceras - ali neslazem se da sam na nikog ubacio noz. Neznam sta je CZ/DM - DM je draza mihajlovic prepostavljam? Borili su se protiv partizana i niko nije bio na njihovoj strani. A oni su onda bili u istoj grupi sa nemcima i ustasama jer je im kralj kazo u 1944 da je gotovo. Nevidim sta je tu zabijanje noza. Direktor tvrdi da su uvek bili sa nemcima. Realno je da se kaze od 1944. I treba da se doda objasnjenje sto. Ali i to sam pre diskutovo sa njim - pre sam se mnogo svadjao, i bilo mi je dovoljno to sto sam izguro da su partizani ustvari bili srpska vojska vecinom rata. To mi jebilo dovoljno. Za ovo drugo sam odredio da radim kasnije - ali ko zna kad. Mogu da pomognem da se kaze da su partizani bili na drugoj strani od 1944, a ne od 1942. Dakle ti biraj sta ces - direktor koji ce da tvrdi 1942, ili ja koji ce da tvrdi 1944. U najmanju ruku ja sam bolja opcija, zar ne? Sto se mene tice, zna se dobro da je on bio junak, i to jedan od boljih junaka. Ko i momcilu djujic, to su pravi nasi junaci. Ali moramo da budemo realni ovde. (LAz17 (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Zao mi je ali u 1945 nemoze da se kazu da su bili na strani "allies-a" u ratu. Dakle na cijoj su strani bili nego na nemackoj? Cak imaju fotografije gde se cetnici slikaju sa nemcima. To je opste poznato. Ja dakle nemogu da pomognem da kazem da cetnici nisu bili na strani svaba... jer jesu na kraju rata. Nadam se da barem vidis razliku, da ja negovorim da su bili na strani nemca od pocetka- sto je sta direktor zeli da kaze. Niko na strani alliesa nije ih prizno u 1945. Cetnici su se sami predali englezima u italiji ili austriji, zajedno sa nemcima i ustasama. (LAz17 (talk) 17:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

E, ti stvarno nista nerazumes sta je u pitanju tamo, nemoj molim te da mi pomazes, zaboravi, ti si stvarno kako kazes:"Jebo lud zbunjenog..." FkpCascais (talk) 03:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template policy discussion

You are invited to help consider a common template policy for all WP:SPORTS biography articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports#Template_policy_discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Hvala Brate

Hvala brate, zamo zivim u Australiju, mozes da mi pricas Srpski, nema problema. Ako mozes da mi pokazes neku stranicu de pise kako se koristi wikipedia pravilno, bilo bi mi dobro i mnogo lakse, hvala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Australianhistorian (talk • contribs) 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Infoboxes

Thank you very much for the information, it was useful because I did not know that there was an actual policy. If anything, I am glad that one as such exists because it now fortifies the bigger problem that people often like to take out "Yugoslavia" in favour of successors. My only reason for giving the "SR Slovenia" or whichever was out of respect for the entity and not to ignore its existence. Of course, we can always add "SR Croatia" or "SR Macedonia" to the main text for the same effect, but I now know that infoboxes are settlement and relevant country at time of birth only. Thanks. User:Evlekis (Евлекис) 14:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Draza Mihailovic mediation

Hi FkpCascais, This is Isidoradaven from the Draza Mihailovic talk page. You had suggested that I sign myself to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Draza Mihailovic I am totally new to Wikipedia disputes and mediation, and so wanted to ask: How do I sign myself? Thanks Isidoradaven (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Stojanović

Dear Sir.. i paste this text in serbian about Ivan Stojanović. If you could obtain more info about this great author from Dubrovnik. D.m Ivan Stojanović rodio se u Dubrovniku 17 decembra 1829., u doba kad bijaše još krepka uspomena na slavnu prošlost dubrovačke republike. Kakav ja duh vladao u ono vrijeme megju vlastelom i gragjanima, te bijahu preživjeli republiku, možemo lako zamisliti, kad uzmemo na um, da se D.m Ivan, i ako rogjen u sasvijem drugijem prilikama, toliko njim napojio, da je sve do posljednjeg časa duhovno živio u prošlosti i čeznuo za njom sve više, i u teškoj duševnoj muci, ne mogući imati nade, da će se već igda povratiti stara vremena, nalazio jedinu utjehu, da bugjenjem uspomene negdašnje slave i veličine republike sv. Vlaha, uvjeri mlagji naraštaj o ništavilu našijeh dana, i da, vezujući prošlost sa sadašnjosti, utre put boljoj budućnosti. U tu svrhu, čistom istorijskom istinom i življem primjerima iz sadašnjosti, upućivaše nas na pravu stazu, i pokazivaše nam u čemu nam je nada i spas.

Još iz malena upi se u svetinju, kao i Dositije Obradović, te čitajući životopise svetaca, silno razgrija maštu, da mu se i u sred bijela dana pričuivalo, da ga neko zove po imenu. Tako malo po malo zavrti u glavu, da hoće biti svećenik i ništa drugo. Tu je cijenio, kako sam govoraše, da se nalazi Eldorado i luka utočišta protiv oluja svjetovnijeh strasti, premda je poslije u tome stališu okusio Dantove bolgje. Eadi otvorena Srpstva i umjerena i razložita liberalizma postade trn u oku svoje braće po zvanju, koja zazirahu od ovog novog Prometeja narodne svijesti, te ga stase potajno i javno zadirkivati i podmetati mu misli i djela, koja nije nikad ni u snu promislio a kamo li na javi izvršio. No On je ipak, nepomičan kao stanac kamen, o koji se lome bijesni vali uzburkana mora, služeći samo Bogu i svojoj savjesti, kao dostojan nasljednik najvećeg Svjetilnika Istine i Pravde, Spasitelja svijeta, ne hajući za sve moguće zapreke, i dalje razgonio svijetlom istorijske istine tmine vjerskog fanatizma, i otvarao oči zavedenom narodu, propovijedajući da mu > vjera ni najmanje ne priječi da bude Srbin.

Svršivši gimnasije s odlikom, stupi u zadarsku bogosloviju. Dovršivši bogoslovske nauke, bi rukopoložen g. 1852, prije nego dopuštaju kanoni, radi nestašice popova. Najprije je popovao na Korčuli godinu dana, a zatim ga premjestiše u Rijeku dubrovačku, gdje je proveo 30 godina. Tu se pokazao dostojan pastir stada Gospodnjeg neumornim trudom, ne hajući za svoju vlastitu korist Seljani Njegovi pričaju prava čuda o Njegovu dobročinstvu i darežljivosti, što može posvjedočiti i svak u našem gradu, gdje je boravio od g. 1883, kad je bio imenovan kanonikom, pa sve do svoje smrti. Sprovod Njegov, kakav narod ne učini do sad još ni jednom svećeniku od kad je Dubrovnika, najbolji je svjedok, koliko je veliki Pokojnik dobra učinio u rogjenoj zemlji, i kako taj isti narod zna cijeniti velike ljude. Seljani negdašnje Njegove parohije, i staro i mlado, zajedno s gradskijem bratstvima dogjoše pod barjacima crkvenijera, da sprovod uveličaju. Suze, koje sroniše sijedi starci nad grobom Njegovijem, ulijevaju nam nade, da će zdrava svijest narodna doskora slaviti triunfe nad nepravdom i obmanom, i da će braća, koja se još otugjuju od srpskog imena, uvidjeti namjere zavodnika, i pristati s nama u bratsko i srpsko kolo.

„U Eijeci nagje elemenat socijalni, koji ga sasvim prevrati, i elemenat materijalni, biva divni položaj mjesta, jer je Rijeka dubrovačka kod Rožata najčarobniji kraj dubrovačke okolice".

Cesto općenje s učevnijem ljudima i književnicima onoga doba, osobito s Nikom Velikijem knezom Pueićem, jednim od najućevnijih ljudi što ih je igda Dubrovnik imao,*) pa s vlastelom Lukom Dijegom Sorkočevićem i Vlahom barunom Ghetaldi, pjesnicima latinskijem, i humoristom Jozom mq. Bunićem, mnogo je djelovalo na razvoj mladog Njegovog uma. „Da nijesam trideset godina proveo u Eijeci, — pripovjeda sam — niko za me ne bi znao, da sam živ!"

U književnosti se oglasio najprije prijevodima, u čem je često puta bio dosta slobodan, te izostavljao i prekrajao na svoj način. Preveo je, što prije, što poslije: polovinu knjiga I sp ovjes ti sv. Avgustina (u narječju dubrovačkom, neštampano); komediju Aristofanovu Oblaci; njekoliko komada iz De Amicis-a; devedeset Lessingovijeh basana; dramatski fragmenat iz Schillera Zlohotnik ljudi (Menschenfeind); Voltairove: Mikromegasa i Gjova (kratka novela slobodno prevedena); Konversaciju kod grofice Albani

  • ) Baš kad smo na ovom čovjeku, koji je bio od golema, upravo presudna utjecaja na život i um Đ.m Ivanov, ne će biti s gorega, da natuknemo o njemu dvlje-tri riječi, tek da se i u široj publici obazna nješto o ovom fenomenalnom naučnjaku, koji radi svoje neobične skromnosti nije dao uzroka, da se o njemu piše i govori.

Niko Veliki knez Pucić, brat srpskoga pjesnika Meda, čovjek imućan i neodvisan, provagjaše život u nauci, baveći se poglavito dubokijem filosofskijem razmišljanjem. Poznavao je u prste sve filosofske sistemate; ali je ipak najviše naginjao platonizmu i u nj se bio uprav upio. Latinski je jezik poznavao kao i svoj rogjeni, a uz to je bio vješt i ostalijem tugjijem jezicima i literaturama, od stare grčke do naše, tako da se bio usavršio u svijem naukama do bogoslovlja, u kom je bio do čuda vješt, poznavajući kao malo ko sve crkvene oce istočne i zapadne crkve. Sve to golemo znanje bijaše bistro i lijepo sregjeno u njegovom prostranom umu. Na veliku štetu našu, taj čovjek nije uprav ni slova napisao. Koliko je bio skroman i u se povučen, čak je preko drugoga pomagao i siromahe obilnom pomoći. Upitan jednom, koji su pisci nadasve zaslužni za nauku, odgovori: Platon u filosofiji, sv. Avgustin u bogoslovlju, Dante u pjesništvu i Leopardi u pesimizmu. Možda su ga prilike vremena nagnale, da ovog potonjeg osjeti jače no iko drugi.

V

(koju je u prijevodu nazvao Sta je slava vojnička?) od Paul-Louisa Oouriera; No šonje po Ghislanzoniju; čovjek repat (preragjeno po nepoznatom piscu); i Kanonik dekan stone crkve u Bajadocu (neštamp.), za tim sve izreke latinske Publija Sirijanina Mimika i Petronija (neštamp.).

U „Dubrovniku" zabavniku Narodne Stionice dubrovačke, koji je i sam uregjivao za kratko vrijeme, štampao je originalne novele: Gospogju Maru i Luka Maloga, koji je opet bio preštampan u „Vojislavljevoj spomenici".

U „Slovincu" je štampao više originalnih radova, kao Gjoru (prvi je dio „Gjore" Diderotov Neveu de Eameau [Ramoov nećak] ponašen, a drugi je dio originalan), Zagarca i ost. Još je napisao i podulju originalnu novelu Gjovo (neštamp.)

Sastavio je i komediju Fr lezi ja (štampanu u kal. „Dubrovniku" za g. 1898.), pa Romantićizam i Jastog. Štampao je i njekoliko prigodnijeh pjesama i epigrafa na srpskom, italijanskom i latinskom jeziku.

God. 1893. izdao je prvi svezak Anegdota i različitijeh mudrijeh izreka. Tu je izišlo i njekoliko anegdota iz naroda, došle nigdje neštampanijeh. U rukopisu ja ostavio mnoštvo anegdota i pričica, prevedenijeh i narodnijeh, kao i iz istorije dubrovačke. Megju njima dobar dio zauzimlju filosofski anegdoti.

Jedno je od Njegovijeh najznamenitijih djela Dubrovačka Književnost, kojoj bi bolje pristao natpis „Bilješke iz dubrovačke književnosti", i koje čitalac ima pred sobom.

Još je preveo i Engelovu povjest dubrovačke republike, naj jezgrovitiju do sad istoriju Dubrovnika, i nastavio, gdje pisac bijaše prekinuo, sve do najnovijih vremena. Ta Njegova radnja izišla je u podliscima „Dubrovnika". Nije je dovršio, jer ga je nemila smrt prije pokosila.

Odlikovao se još i kao dobar govornik i propovjednik u crkvi, te je ostavio u rukopisu dosta crkovnijeh besjeda i teološkijeh razmišljanja.

Za vrijeme popovanja u Eijeci zabilježio je bio mnoštvo narodnijeh riječi, poslovica i zagonetaka, što sve od Njega iskučiše i u Zagreb poniješe Kurelac, Broz i Srepel.

Poznavao je još osim svog materinskog jezika: latinski, grčki, staroslavenski i jevrejski, pa italijanski, njemački i francuski. Bio je silno načitan i svestrano naobražen čovjek. [ocr errors]

Zamišljao je veliki Pokojnik, tek dovrši nastavak Engelovoj povjesti, da započne veću od ijedne svoje dosadašnje književne radnje: Politiku starog Dubrovnika i Stare dubrovačke običaje.

Po ovom, što do sad spomenusmo, može se zamisliti, koliko izgubismo smrću Njegovom!

Srpstvo je s Njim izgubilo velika rodoljuba i književnika, Dubrovnik zadnjeg prestavnika starog duha u životu i književnosti, narod dubrovački rijetka svećenika, siromasi velika dobrotvora. Teška je rana svijem, ali je nama, srpskoj dubrovačkoj akademskoj omladini, po gotovu najljuća i uprav bez prebola!

Politika naše nesugjene braće, neprirodna u ovijem stranama, služi se još i sad, na osvitku dvadesetog vijeka, vjerskim fanatizmom na štetu srpske narodne misli. Ta politika u službi zajedničkijeh neprijatelja, uzela je za najzgodnije sredstvo u borbi većinu svećenika, kojijem je glavni izgovor za taj postupak, da Srpstvo tobož prijeti rimokatoličkoj crkvi. Naš narod, koji čuva svoju vjeru kao očinju ženicu, lako se da zastrašiti od svog svećenika, te mu tako vjerski zanos pomuti zdravu svijest, i on se, i ako bez ikakva uvjerenja, ipak otugjuje od svog, a prihvaća neprirodnog tugjeg imena. — Ko nam je tu najbolji pomoćnik, nama Omladini Srpskoj, koji smo uzeli za glavni zadatak, da širimo ideju narodnosti i da rušimo predrasude srednjeg vijeka, ako ne opet svećenici?! Po onoj evangjeoskoj „Mnogo je zvanijeh, ali malo izabranijeh", i u nas se pojavi njekoliko svećenika, zadojenijeh srpskijem duhom, ali radi progonstva i mućenja do brzo klonuše, a oni, kojijem je harakter bio jači od lične koristi i ugodnosti života, očuvaše svoju ideju, ali ona ipak ostade samo u njima! Nijesu imali smjelosti, osim vrlo rijetkijeh izuzetaka, da je javno šire zborom i pismom. D.m Ivan je, bez i malo straha i zazora, ne hajući za sva teška progonstva i poruge, junački izdržao do potonjeg časa, i preko dičnog našeg „Dubrovnika" dovikivao narodu: „Srbin si po rodu i običajima; u Srpstvu ti je jedini spas; vjera ti ni najmanje ne priječi, da budeš Srbin!" Dokazaše li protivno naši i njegovi protivnici?! — Ne! već nastaviše zadjevice i podle nasrtaje; ali On, harakter nad harakterima, što nailažaše na veći otpor, sve bivaše tvrgji i istrajniji, i održa riječ Svoju, da će sve do potonjeg časa pisati u „Dubrovniku". S toga nam je smrt D.m Ivanova dvostruko teška: prvo, što nam je Njega nestalo, a drugo, što mu nemamo dostojna zamjenika, te u teškoj borbi ostajemo bez potpore i oslonca!

Ali ipak, djela velikijeh ljudi žive i poslije smrti i uspomena njihova ne propada!

Eao što će vječno u srcima našijem ostati sveta ideja Tvoja, o vrli i nezaboravni Pokojnice, tako će i za nas i za cio srpski narod kroz sva vremena ostati sveto i veliko mjesto, gdje utrugjene kosti i mučeničko tijelo Tvoje nagje mira i pokoja! Mi ćemo Tvoju svetu humku obasipati cvijećem neuvelijem s koljena na koljeno i prekagjivati tamjanom čiste zahvalnosti narodnje. Brat do brata, bez razlike vjere, hvataće se jedan do drugoga, spojen čvrstom vezom svete ideje Tvoje u divno svesrpsko kolo, i tu ćemo nad svetim Tvojim grobom s godine na godinu oduživati golemi dug, koji ti nikad odužiti ne možemo.

Vječna Ti slava i uspomena u narodu srpskom, i laka Ti gruda rogjene zemlje, koju si Jjubio svim žarom plemenita srca!

Dubrovnik, dećembra 1900.

Srpska dubrovačka akademska omladina. --172.190.242.242 (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign football players in Vyscha Liha

Hi, I'm sorry for my English. I correct Vučina Šćepanović about Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih. I agree with You to add also the seasons to the List of foreign football players in Vyscha Liha to the Category:Lists of expatriate association football players. Please, help me to segregate this list by nationality, for example: Bosnian footballers in Ukraine, Croatian footballers in Ukraine, Serbian footballers in Ukraine, Slovenian footballers in Ukraine etc. Also to create article Aleksandar Brdjanin (2002/03 Metalurh Zaporizhya 16 (0)), Đorđe Inđić (2003/04 Chornomorets Odessa 4 (0)), Edin Kunić (2002/03 Karpaty Lviv 1 (0)), Valter Androšić (2003/04 Vorskla Poltava 13 (0)), Dario Brgles (2005-07 Arsenal Kyiv 30 (0)), Mario Dodić (2002/03 Metalurh Zaporizhya 18 (1)), Jerko Mikulić (2002-04 Karpaty Lviv 31 (1)), Ivica Žuljević (2005/06 Metalurh Donetsk 1 (0)), Darko Bojović (2009/10 Illychivets Mariupol 1 (0)), Branko Ašković (2002/03 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 1 (0)), Ilija Borenović (2003/04 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 3 (0)), Goran Ćosić (2002/03 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 2 (0)), Igor Đinović (2003/04 Vorskla Poltava 17 (0), 2004/05 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 2 (0)), Ivica Janićijević (2001-03 Karpaty Lviv 7 (0)), Vladimir Milenković (2004/05 Vorskla Poltava 14 (4)), Saša Mitić (2004-05 Volyn Lutsk 42 (8), Zakarpattia Uzhgorod 9 (1)), Ivan Perić (2005-07 Arsenal Kyiv 14 (2)), Miroslav Rikanović (2006/07 Zorya Luhansk 8 (1)), Dušan Šimić (2001-03 Karpaty Lviv 14 (1)), Aco Vasiljević (2000-01 Metalurh Zaporizhya 13 (5)), Rusmin Dedič (2002-04 Vorskla Poltava 20 (0)). Bogic (talk) 11:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Zdravko Šaraba played for Volyn Lutsk, but Zoran Šaraba don't play for Volyn Lutsk. There is error in [24]. I think it related with abbreviature Z. Šaraba. Bogic (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gradovi

Taj Nemagic je pravio dosta vandalisma na knezevu. Ipak, uredu je sad. Za tu drugu stranicu nemozemo nista. Naterali su R.S. da promeni ime nazad u Foca... tako da nema sta da mozemo da uradimo. Da stvar bude mnogo gora, presednik foce je neki srbin koji voli muslimane - mislim da je sam reko da zeli da muslimani budu vecina, i da se nonstop zene sa srbima. Stvarno je tip koji radi protiv sve srpske politke tamo - neka govnara poput ovog komsica. Nije da treba da ga nevolimo sto misli nesto, nego trebamo da ga nevolimo zato sto covek radi kontra svega toga sto sve srpske stranke tamo zele. Ipak, obrati paznju na Bosanski Brod - pre nekog vremena su bosnjaci pizdeli sto srbi ga zovu brod. Proveri sta se desava sa time... mozda da pomerimo stranicu da se zove "Brod (Bosnia and Hercegovina) ili Brod, Posavina"? (LAz17 (talk) 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

Promenjeno je sto posto. Cito sam prosle godine na avazu kako bosnjaci su bili besni zbog toga. Dakle to moze da se promeni. Ali srbinje... to mozda kasnije, ne sad. Ti promeni ime grada, ja ca nabaviti podatke za populaciju grada i opstine. Stavi grad da bude "Brod (Bosnia and Herzegovina)", posto ima mnogo brodova - makedonski brod na primer. (LAz17 (talk) 02:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Da, to je glavni, [25] - ovi neki drugi mozda mogu i da se pobrisu. Sto je bitno da bude neki fan site o gradu? Moze biti milion takvi sajtova, sto su oni vazni za ista? Uzmemo neki glup bend... ima sto posto mnogo sajtova o raznim bendovima, ali nisu svi fan-siteovi na vikiju... tako da mozda nebi bilo lose da se pobrisu oni koji nisu zvanicni/vazni. Isto, vazno je da se vidi ako ti neki su uopste "updated" godinama. Sto da imamo zastarele stvari? :) (LAz17 (talk) 03:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

crno beli

Sta kazes, dal sam malo ili mnogo poludeo u vezi partizanski klubova?? (LAz17 (talk) 05:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

Ma ovo je tek pocetak. Imam jos nekoliko partizanski klubova da dodam uskoro. :) Mozda onda i zvezdu. Prvo sam treniro malo sa USD Bosnom... inace za koga ti vise navijas? Zvezdu ili Partizana? (LAz17 (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Stvarno nisam dok ti nisi kazo.
Ja vise volim partizana nego zvezdu... ali na kraj kraja bi najvise voleo da vidim da omladinski bude bolji od njih, jer ipak ova dva imaju suvise jaku dominaciju. :) (LAz17 (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Jok, moji su iz ljuti delova srbije. Otisli su u beograd, onda u bosnu... ja sam bio rodjen u hrvatskoj... ziveli smo u sloveniji... eto, "around the world"... (LAz17 (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Heh, ti si vise obiso nego ja/moji. (LAz17 (talk) 15:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

Sadick Adams II

Can you add a source to the article about that? FkpCascais (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See the Wikipedia article S.C. Adelaide or Swami Panchadasi The Human Aura: Astral Colors and Thought Forms Des Plaines, Illinois, USA:1912--Yogi Publications Society Page 36 Zombie 433 talk) 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What does Swami Panchadasi has to do with this? FkpCascais (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ask the editor of the SC Adelaide site, User:Cailecaile he has him linked on article side, i have the player only added in this category Category:SC Adelaide players. (Zombie4333 talk) 22:25, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know about the category and I agree, no problem, just don´t understand why you are saying to see Swami Panchadasi (William Walker Atkinson) article? What does a XIX century occultist got to do with a 1990-born footballist? FkpCascais (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
this was an edit error, he is now possibly to sign with Étoile Sportive du Sahel: see Saddick Adams linked to Etoile return but he is not sign for this time (for the editors before me. Stop the club confirmed the transfer Officiel - Adams Sadick étoilé pour 3 ans (Zombie4333 talk) 22:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I know about Etoile, but he already had problems with them in the past [26], but maybe this time he ends up playing for them... Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

is OK! once again sorry for the ignore, i have a badly day! (Zombie4333 talk) 23:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. FkpCascais (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hello,

no problem, it's not that I don't wish to participate to the mediation, but I think what should be done is, first of all, to rewrite the article. As a matter of fact, I have just started to do that (I am at the very beginning of what should be a rather heavy workload). I don't mind at all making comments on the "mediation" page, but the work on the article itself (and the honest uses of reliable sources) is what matters most. So far I've been using Buisson's biography for his "early life" details because it's the only biography available, but for the World War II sections, I'm going to use university sources. Tell me what you think and see what you can do. regards Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know what the problem is. However, if the article becomes well-structured and well-sourced (which it is not at the moment), I hope nobody will want to look bad for starting an edit war and re-imposing an obviously biased and unbalanced version. The funny thing is, I don't want to glorify Mihailovic at all. I personally think that the guy probably meant well, but he proved to be a klutz and an incompetent. However, I find his story really interesting, and I think he deserves far better than the current article. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. If you have good sources and info, don't hesitate to make your own edits. What's even funnier is that one of my main sources, Stevan K. Pavlowitch's book, is absolutely damning to Mihailovic, while not describing him as a collaborator. I definitely think the guy deserves to receive an more balanced treatment. I hope I'll do an acceptable work : maybe the fact that I couldn't care less about the Serb/Croat/Slovene rivalities (well, I do find their story interesting, but I'm utterly neutral) will be helpful. But the real bummer is that every single article about Yugoslavia in World War II (and that includes Chetniks, Yugoslav Front, Yugoslavia and the Allies, every single battle...) has to be rewritten and carefully watched. The solutions lies in using good and neutral sources. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Could you just keep the article in check ? I think rewriting all of it might take me several days. Thanks.11:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry, I am being absolutely honest and I have just left a message on the mediation page. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I have made some comments and suggestions on Yugoslav Front and Chetniks's talk page, and also on the "mediation" talk page. Your opinion would be welcome. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. No problem at all. But it would be nice if you could give your opinion on the articles' talk pages. Thanks. :) Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I know I'm late, but I have now resumed working on my drafts. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Yes, I think it's an important issue, and we should get back to it especially when rewriting the Chetniks article. While the Serb element is also central to the Chetnik movement, they were not 100% Serbs. Yet also, many considered themselves first and foremost as ethnic Serbs. We must remember that for many Serbs at the time, "Yugoslavia" simply meant "Serbia". The ethnic element is very important (IMHO the fact that the Chetniks were not able to overcome it is one of the reasons why they failed) but it should be weighed carefully for what it was. BTW, please don't hesitate to tell me what you think of the draft's progress : you might also comment on it on the mediation page. Best, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, definitely ! Most of the earlier Partisan troops were actually Serbs, there is no denying this. Just because Tito was Croat/Slovene does not mean that the line was clearly cut between ethnic communities. Far from it ! Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina

I've opened a thread at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts#Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina to discuss the complete replacement of content that has occured at Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. As an involved editor, you may wish to comment. -- Whpq (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal comments

I've mentioned the importance of sticking to content several times now. Yet I've just removed a number of personal attacks from the mediation page, some by you. It does not matter whether they are provoked or not. You are responsible for your own conduct. Consider this a friendly reminder. Would you be able to stick to content from here on out? Sunray (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Club categories

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Yeah, that's me

Vidim da ti je srpski maternji, pa onda pitaj, ako sam ja onaj na koga ti mislis da sam. :o))----László (talk) 01:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grb

Ne znam sto je skinuo. Ne znam ni ko je skinuo? Ne vidim razlog zbog cega bi neko skinuo...?

Tempo21 (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comical edit

That's right. Not even the schoolgirls are 1,60 in Montenegro; you'll be hard pushed to find a grown male that height. 1.60 is so short, I doubt even the Portuguese have that many small people. Montenegrins on the other hand are known for their stature, and you as a key editor for the footballers must surely have realised that you are entering digits above 1.83 most of the time for them. Evlekis (Евлекис) 20:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

May 2010

This is the only warning you will receive regarding your disruptive comments.
The next time you make a personal attack as you did at User talk:LAz17, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Stop it. Stop baiting LAz17, stop being triumphal at him being blocked - indeed, stop following him around and stop posting on his talk page. You can consider this an interaction ban with LAz17. Fences&Windows 20:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Players

Hey! :) Usually the best way to determine it, is to look at the name and/or clubs he played for. If some player played since his teenage years in Slovakia, he is not a Czech and vice versa. Zvarík is a Slovak surname, his club allegiances confirm this as well. Playerhistory.com shows a lot of wrong information, like here about Karol Dobiaš, Slovak legendary player from Czechoslovak times. Usually, it is really easy to determinate Czech or Slovak nationality, the problems appear only from time to time with Slovak players, who early moved to the Czech part and soon adopted Czech language and culture and assimilated. Jozef Chovanec or Milan Luhový are one of those players to name few ... in these cases the adjective "Czechoslovak" is the best one. Many of players like them even today refer to themselves as "Czechoslovak". :) Slovak players who assimilated in the independent Czech Republic are usually referred to as Czech. Many of them came with their parents as little kids, so they were completely raised in the Czech Republic as Czechs, like David Bystroň for example. Hope this helps to answer your question. :) By the way I work from time to time on new articles about Czech/Slovak footballers but I often miss club info about them (especially about older footballers). If some footballer ended his career in e.g. 2000, it is almost impossible for me to find out exact years/clubs of his career from 1990s and 1980s. Do you have any idea about some good online database? Playerhistory.com seems nice, but it is not free. - Darwinek (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Usually it is no problem to find at least decent info about players who appeared in the Czech League since 2004. Still, there are some problems. If a player moves to some obscure club in Iran or China or to amateur clubs in Germany and Austria, it is like he disappeared from the world of football. I don't know how about Croatian or Serbian players, but in the Czech Republic unfortunately many players choose money over quality at some point of their career. You can see many former great league footballers (even the league champions) playing for Euros in 4th or 5th leagues in Germany or Austria. Some of them are even not over the age 30. :( Anyways, to speak about the problem of finding statistics. Last week I was trying to create article about one defenseman, who won the league title with Baník Ostrava in 2004. He is now already retired but back then, he was a backbone of defense, contributing to the surprising league title. I was shocked when I could not find almost any stats about the player, who won the league six years ago. Only stats were from his age of 30 ... I found more after a hard search two weeks later. I don't know, but for me it shows how quickly can a successful man in this country get neglected and forgotten. - Darwinek (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about the long comment. :) Maybe you are right, that Czechs managed football teams in foreign countries a lot in the past, serving as some kind of teachers. The fact however is, that Serbs and Croats teach the whole world as well. :) I am always amazed finding out how many of them coached in Turkey, Greece and various other countries long before football became a commercialized sport. These stories are simply amazing. I recall of some Czech coach pioneering in coaching in the 1970s or so, in countries like Algeria and Libya. Those were really truly wild times. :) Today, almost everybody knows how to play football, so our teaching is not needed anymore. :) Unfortunately our Central European football (including e.g. Poland) is not good today. Our leagues lack money, which is the principal problem. We cannot attract quality foreign players and most important, we cannot keep our talents at home. That's what happened to Baník after championship season, they sold out almost half of the squad. The positive sign is, that at least several players from Balkans came to Czech league in last years. :) Andrej Kerić became top-scorer last season. Edin Džeko jumped to his star career from FK Teplice. Various Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian players play here. Some of them are of remarkable help to their teams. Anyways, I am nervously waiting for the World Cup and secretly hoping Serbia will advance from their difficult group. By the way, which club do you support in the Jelen Superliga? :) - Darwinek (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Starting from the end of your post. Yeah, Czech society is a bit in crisis, it can be said that way. The society became quite polarized over politics (right and left wing) and many people fear we can end up in debt like Greece. Still, it's not that bad, living standard is high and it is still a cool place to live. About the Serbs' feeling ... I heard and read about that and to be honest, I am not surprised, because it came at the moment of peak power of Yugoslav football. Still, I don't think it is a good idea to create some regional "Yugoslav League" again. You mentioned already some of the problems to smaller clubs, I would add security troubles resulting from matches like Hajduk Split - Partizan etc. There has been a similar idea for "Czechoslovak League" but it is stupid as well. Czech football association is full of corrupt and stupid "businessmen", who have no idea about football at all. Fans already do not come much to matches and joint Czecho-Slovak league would keep them safely home even more. I wish all of luck to the Slovak national team, because I really feel sorry for them. Nobody supported them even in Slovakia. All the years people were just bitching about them and making fun of them, instead of supporting ... and suddenly they are all football patriots. Anyways, I fear they will end up in group, like most of rookie World Cup countries. Well, as for the club I support, my club is Baník Ostrava. However, I have a favorite club in many countries and in Serbia it is Crvena Zvezda. :) I even attended Večiti derbi last November at Marakana. :) Btw. if you'd like to talk on some messenger or facebook, write my e-mail from my profile. - Darwinek (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the system took my soul. :) Go to User:Darwinek and on the left side you can find "toolbox" and then "e-mail this user". :) - Darwinek (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Try this link. If even this link wouldn't work, you probably need to enable your e-mail. - Darwinek (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aca

Yep, let's do it! Don't forget to add some info on the article about his name in different languages...regards, GiantSnowman 22:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I need some help.

Can you create FK Brodarac? I need that article... --Tadijaspeaks 23:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, please, i will create it, they are very small club, and it is not important. Thanks anyway. :) --Tadijaspeaks 23:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
O, yes, man, great! You are cool! As always! :) --Tadijaspeaks 23:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Kosovo" = "Republic of Kosovo"?

What do you think of this? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ZOMBIE433

Olá meu caro amigo, VASCO "por aqui",

Já vi que conseguiste "o milagre", já falaste com o ZOMBIE433, eu ainda fui mais educado do que tu com ele e NADA, não me diz nada. Acabou-se a paciência, tudo o que ele fizer e com que eu dê de caras (obviamente não o vou wiki-perseguir, nem nada parecido), vai ser só "UNDO", "UNDO", "UNDO".

Quero-me dar bem com toda a gente, aqui e fora daqui, e nada feito. Até arranjei um utilizador alemão para me traduzir uma mensagem para o gajo, mas desisti à última da hora, não vale a pena. 99,99999% das vezes, ele elimina (sem responder) as mensagens que recebe. A ti, até te respondeu ("Sorry, i am having a BADLY (!!!!!) day") mas, no geral, é um tipo que se está nas tintas, e é pena...

Abraços, boa semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Famos Hrasnica

Famos Hrasnica is not equal to Famos Vojkovići, one is Serbs club, one at FBiH. Matthew_hk tc 08:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure they are not the same club? I know that F.Hrasnica used to play in the Yugoslav 2nd League (from time to time), and after the war, the Vojkovici Famos appeared. I suposed that they were the same club, just renamed, but neither I was sure. I´ll correct everything if becomes that they are not the same... How do you know? FkpCascais (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Famos Hrasnica plays in the FBiH and is a Bosniaks club. Hrasnica as i know there is 3 Hrasnica in BiH, 2 at FBIH and 1 in RS. Famos Vojkovići is a Serbs club. Guessing should base one adequate information. Matthew_hk tc 05:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they separated... Nevermind, I´m doing some minor edits on the articles. See the link I added, it has the book that says "FK Famos Hrasnica", and there was where I found the list of notable players that was found on the page. On the other hand, you deleted the current players list of FK Famos Vojkovići (from Transfermarkt), be more careful, please (not sure why you deleted that)... I have to do it again now. FkpCascais (talk) 05:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, when you say "Serbs club" it is Bosnian Serbs (not Serbia). All Hrasnica are in BIH, 2 in Bosnian-Croat Federation, 1 in Rep.Srpska, but all in Bosnia. Depending what Hrasnica is Famos from (Famos Hrasnica), we may know if is or not conected with the Famos Vojkovici (because if Hrasnica is near Sarajevo, in Ilidza, so is Vojkovici, they may have split in early 1990s). FkpCascais (talk) 06:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Transfermarkt is a reliable source. Some information may correct but the transfer and current squad section of lower division often wrong. As there is no official site of the club exist, i think better use bihsoccer.com And Serb Rebublic FA to search a topscorer list to verify the "current squad" Matthew_hk tc 15:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Felicitaciones

Estimado FkpCascais, antes que todo saludarte y compartir contigo el hostigamiento reiterado de DIREKTOR a todo lo que no le parece o ponga en riesgo la memoria historica de Tito, esta vez en contra de Draza, el suele utilizar en mala manera y a su antojo las reglas de Wikipedia, es lo que se llama violar el espiritu de esas normas, llevándolas al extremo de bloquiar todo tipo de trabajo en esta espacio público, convirtiendolo en un monopolio de un grupillo de personajes, que no hace mas que limitar en demasía la universalidad y acceso libre a este medio de comunicación. El sabe a ciencia cierta que lo que se escriba o no, sobre sus áreas de interés, serán leídas y utilizadas como fuente de apoyo estudiantil e incluso estatal. Sabes cuantas visitas tiene la página de Tito diariamente? son miles y miles de personas que abren dichas páginas, recibiendo información tergiversada, de mala fe por una camarilla de fanaticos. Es por eso que encuentro loable la valiente actitud que haz tenido frente a las embestidas de este sujeto. cuidate y sigue así. Saludos --186.105.122.109 (talk) 20:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Muchas gracias por las observciones hechas. Por supuesto que existe la consciencia que wikipedia (especialmente esta versión inglesa) es usada como fuente de informaciones básicas, y varios sujetos aquí trabajan intentando manipular lo más posible, todo tipo de información, a favor de lo que defienden, o quieren defender. Claro que cuando esa manipulación pasa a ser descarada y perjudicial hacía diversos individuos, o grupos, hasta pueblos, pasa a ser mucho más facilmente detectable, y entonces se inicía un proceso de averiguación de la verdad. El problema es cuando ciertos sujetos tienen las espaldas calientes, y otros, no. Y claro, disponibilidad de perder tiempo y nervios en estas luchas. Vamos a ver lo que sucederá con todo esto, pero mucho juego de cadera hay que tener aquí... Aunque, si no fuera por el asco que tengo a cierto tipo de actitudes, probablemente no me hubiera molestado. Gracias y saludos. FkpCascais (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kočić

Tačno je Kočić.

Tempo21 (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal comments again

This is the second time I have found it necessary to remind you, on your talk page, to stick to content and avoid commenting about another editor. This is the last warning I will give: Do not comment about another party. Period. Sunray (talk) 22:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? FkpCascais (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am talking about this comment, in which you are making personal comments. I have repeatedly asked you not to do that. Sunray (talk) 23:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I´ll rephrase it there. Honestly Sunray, I had just exposed a great problem that occured in almost all sources that were missinterpreted, exagerated or completely falsifiyed by that and some other users. I do feel that attitude was shamefull. I urge some action on that. FkpCascais (talk) 23:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like a reasonable approach to me. But even in your remarks, above, statements such as: "... exaggerated or completely falsifiyed," and "that attitude was shameful" are personal attacks. I've explained this before. If something is incorrect, state your reasons why you think it is and back it up with examples and sources. If you stick to the content, and avoid the judgements, we will be able to make more progress. Would you be able to do that? Sunray (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hope I will. Honestly, I do understand you well, and I even completely agree with you on these comments issue, but it has been a bit difficult to keep allways cool-headed. I hope I´ll be able to make you soon here, with time, a wider and precise explanation about the issues that warry me, and make me be jumpy on these ocasions. FkpCascais (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Foreign players in China prior to 2004

I would like to complete a list of foreign players in China prior to 2004 but the information I got is too limited. Alexchen4836 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had a Chinese version but it is hard to know their latin name. the Chinese mixed up the Fabio x 3. Matthew_hk tc 15:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vlade Lazarevski

He was born in Krusevac. His brother was born in Russia. That is because his father's job required a lot of movement. He said it himself in Sportske Novosti interview of Thursday 25.03.2010. pages 16-17. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rovoobo (talk • contribs) 07:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here on official HNK Rijeka site it also says Kruševac. Vlade Lazarevski at HNK Rijeka site Rovoobo (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New draft of Draža Mihailović article

JJG has completed a new draft of the article. I am asking for participants comments here. If you haven't much time, would you be able to just look at the lead and provide comments? Sunray (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Rollbacks

FkpCascais, I feel these recent IP edits are just too controversial, given the mediation. Please note I invited the IP to join us in discussion. --Nuujinn (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, FkpCascais. You have new messages at Nuujinn's talk page.
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Nuujinn (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regardin a page

{{helpme}} I have a problem regarding a page that I created. FkpCascais (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's the problem? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Sorry to bother but something happend that could have been done in a better way regarding Rafael Barreto page. The page content was moved to a new created page, Rafael Barreto (footballer) this way loosing the page its edit history. What should have been done was that the page, about a footballer, should have been moved, and then a new disambiguation page should have been created, thus, not loosing the edit history. Am I right? FkpCascais (talk) 00:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody has tagged Rafael Barreto (footballer) for a history merge, which would solve this problem, so I'm negating the {{helpme}} template. If you need any additional help, feel free to add the template again and ask for help. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 00:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)You are indeed right. This is known as a copy-and-paste move, and can be fixed by an admin but is a bit tedious. You can follow the directions at WP:CPMV and/or list it at the holding pen. Intelligentsium 00:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did the deed and notified administrators. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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