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Disinfoboxes

Hey Andy. I was a bit annoyed by some of the statements at WP:Disinfoboxes and enjoyed your refutation. Anyway, just stopping by to let you know why I removed one of the the images. We can't display fair use images outside the mainspace. I would elaborate but I suspect you are well aware of that issue and didn't realize the image was FU. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Fuhghettaboutit, thank you. The brilliant piece of refutation was written by RexxS, quoted here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey Gerda. thanks for noticing this. I think I didn't get enough sleep last night. Sorry Andy: obviously you did not write the refutation or add the FU image. I looked at the history and somehow thought you were the creator. I will now post to the actual creator's page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, for some reason Andy and get connected to infoboxes even if don't we even mention them ;) - I wrote this, and promptly had a comment on my talk discussing infobox yes or no. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

This year's question to the arb candidates (as last year) was not really about infoboxes, but how diligently (or as you said: intelligently) a history in diffs is analysed, and what's good for the project, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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About funding wikipedia (ideas)

Thought, i had a few ideas about funding wikipedia which goes as this... wikipedia will always be ad-free, yet, wikipedia could be advertised for donation on other websites, could accept virtual currency such as facebook credits, people donating credits would fund wikipedia, but also, wikipedia could create products such as wikipedia DVDs containing archives, people who would like to own a fixed copy of wikipedia and even, update it many times a year, could buy a set of DVD that would contain Kiwix's integrated browser as a standalone... Every new versions would contain both updates, talks and change-history for a certain period... Otherwise, wikipedia shirts, even shirts featuring wikipedia articles, maybe, printing a daily shirt with the featured article of the day, lol :P well that wouldn't do for "just-in-time" delivery x) bad idea x) Maybe, yet, shirts with printed wikipedia articles could become really fashioned, i imagine people reading people's shirt for like, 15 minutes to say "wow, that was a nice read"... About facebook credits, there could be ways to make a facebook game like a trivia or something involving studying history and stuff, that could make people buy ehmm... energy packs, special items, custom props for their characters... you know the way FB games goes ^^ This way, people could donate credits but also get in-game items, to help them in their trivias, or treasure-hunt ^^ Maybe, daily trivia concerning the featured articles could make people want to perform in a leaderboard, to gain the title of encyclopedian of the day :P With monthly ranks and a third section for best scores of all time... :P I guess it could be developed as an android app too, but i don't know if android uses any credit systems... Unless using facebook directly... A last way wikipedia could raise funds could be by selling monthly magazines in many languages, selling them at a price that includes taxes, printing fees, and a certain donation going right to fundraising ^^ The trivia game could help raise funds to develop wikipedia furthermore and develop an app for the real encyclopedia for mobile devices. A windows software resembling Kiwix could be done for users to have the encyclopedia right on their desktop but to download articles only on demand (or entierely and keep updated, depending on the user's choice and well, hard drive capacity... (i created an account just for this topic in case an admin would want to contact me for any reasons pertaining to ideas for fundraising ^^ ) Mattthhieu (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Beatrix Campbell

Thanks Andy for your post. I am drawing B Campbell's attention to your message and asking her to consider adding a voice message, a photo, and a ORCID ID (whatever that is) if she has one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sturdytree (talk • contribs) 10:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit made to University infobox

Can you please self-revert this edit and discuss it in Talk? You characterized it as a "copy edit" but it's actually a significant change that (a) changes the meaning of the parameter and (b) makes the parameter appear nearly identical to the "affiliations" parameter. I'd revert your edit myself but the template is protected. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 13:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox university#Affiliation label. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for opening the discussion but you need to revert your edit, too. ElKevbo (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox academic division

Why did you bother starting a Tfd if you were planning to unilaterally change all use of Template:Infobox academic division to Template:Infobox university without waiting for the outcome of the discussion?--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Because two people blocked its deletion on the grounds that a some parameters needed to be merged onto another template. On further examination, only one is used; on six articles. All the parameters that are used are in the more generic, better, template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Herman Skolnik Award

Hallo, This is on my watchlist so I've just noticed your group of edits adding {{redwd}}, which I'd never come across before. I looked at the links for Herman Skolnik himself, all very interesting. But then I clicked on the links for William J. Wiswesser (the thinking being: "isn't he the chap as in "Wiswesser Line Notation" in which case he surely ought to have an article or a redirect to WLN?"), and found that both the links, Wikidata and Reasonator, go to the wrong person (Ben Henry Weil). I haven't checked the others so don't know if he's a one-off glitch or sympomatic of a bigger problem, but perhaps he shows a need for more careful checking? PamD 12:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@PamD: I didn't add the links, I just reformatted them after redirecting the template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The plot thickens. I see that when I created the page (ah, so that's why it's on my watchlist...) I listed Wiswesser as the 1980 recipient, no-one for 1979 or 1981, Weil for 1982. The source I cited as a ref is a dead link at ACS, but the current ACS page about the award shows no recipient in 1979, Wiswesser 1980, Weil 1981. Another ACS page, linked from the article, shows Wiswesser 1979, none 1980, Weil 1981. I'll update the list on the basis of the current listing. So I caused a hiccup in the list, but we still ended up with Weil's data links attached to Wiswesser (and I've added the latter to my "articles to work on some day" list). PamD 12:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see that now - @Magnus Manske:. (The above wasn't a reply to your reply, more of an edit conflict as I hadn't seen your noticed your reply when I hit "save".) PamD 13:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

And I've added the latest two recipients and found their Wikidata links. All this because Mike Lynch (1989) was my prof at Sheffield ... PamD 13:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Windy Corner, Isle of Man#RfC: Proposed merge to Snaefell Mountain Course

Hi Pigsonthewing. You participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windy Corner, which was closed as "no consensus". The AfD was taken to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 November 27#Windy Corner where opinions are split between "endorse" and "overturn". I have started an RfC at Talk:Windy Corner, Isle of Man#RfC: Proposed merge to Snaefell Mountain Course. Cunard (talk) 01:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Template merger

Since you seem to be more adept at this, do you think Template:Infobox college football player and Template:Infobox gridiron football person could be merged? Connormah (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Just pinging you once more. Connormah (talk) 18:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@Connormah: Sorry; I saw your request while travelling; then neglected to return to it once home. Now nominated for merger, at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 December 14. Please be sure to comment there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Column widths and Template:EH listed building header

Hi Andy, You know a lot more about templates than I do... I've tried to set column widths on the list at List of Scheduled Monuments in South Somerset following a comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Scheduled Monuments in South Somerset/archive1 but using a % setting doesn't seem to make any difference. Could this be because it uses Template:EH listed building header and if so is there any way to set the column width using this template? I've put the question at Template talk:EH listed building header but I have no idea if anyone is watching that any more.— Rod ^talk 18:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll reply at one of the above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Paradise Circus, Birmingham

A few minor issues before I get deeper into the review. Thanks for making the nomination to WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A few minor issues still remain. Please remedy. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Andy, Thanks for your help. I've nominated you as a cocreator. GTG. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you please weigh in on ALT 1? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Student essay editing...

Andy, if you are so keen, then you are encouraged to make the improvements. These contributions are inferior in many ways as is being widely discussed not only by myself but others. The rest of us have day jobs, so limited time to contribute. As you probably know from your teaching experiences, repairing student essays take hours of effort and time. Sincerely said, I just dont think that these unsupervised contributions from students are of the technical or stylistic standards we are accustomed to in Wikipedia. The graphics are copyright violations, the article are often violate WP:NOTTEXTBOOK and are preachy or making value judgements. The referencing ignores WP:SECONDARY. If you find these massive additions, salvageable, then you can join the completely absent instructor in editing. We really hope that you can help with content! --Smokefoot (talk) 13:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I find your mass removal of good faith contributions by new editors, and your repeatedly pejorative descriptions of them, both outwith the spirit of Wikipedia (WP:BITE, WP:AGF), and disruptive (WP:POINT). If you are too busy to make fixes, that's OK, you are not personally required to do so - just leave the material for others to fix. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

As I have already indicated, at that stage in my traiing would have submitted similarly awful essays. So my pejorative comments are directed at the so-called ambassadors-coordinators-instructors who foster and protect such inappropriate and poorly crafted content. Like you, they are waiting and praying for someone with writing skills to intervene. But as you're discovering, determined mediocrity can be difficult to rectify within the fringes of Wikipedia. Looking forward to your help with editing these and other articles. --Smokefoot (talk) 14:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Those people may have been your intended targets, but that's quite clearly not the result you achieved; here as elsewhere. And no, I do not pray. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

There is no result to be achieved ... the students dropped their essay bomb on Wikipedia and got their grades. The ambassadors-coordinators-instructors are flush with approval that they are "encouraging" and "nuturing" and being innovative in their engagement of Wikipedia. --Smokefoot (talk) 14:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Biodegradable athletic footwear

Errors:

1. The Roy Society ref is not about footware, & doesn't mention it. What it is about is compositing & biodegradation, in a very general way, with emphasis on packaging material. It's open access here. It references nothing in the paragraph where it is used, & didn't have a link till I added it, so I wonder if anyone ever read it. At present, the entire section 5 has no relevant source at all.
2. I also wonder if anyone read the Toronto and UC theses cited, or just the abstract. Since one of them is specified as "print", I suspect it was just found in a library catalog without even seeing the abstract.
3. The Staikos reference, used widely, is unacceptable as given, since it specifies either the link nor the name of the journal nor the year of publication, and makes the common undergraduate error of thinking Ebsco Academic Search Complete is a source, rather than a place where sources can be accessed.
4. The Albertsson reference, used widely, is given as vol 157, but it doesn't say vol.157 of what.

I can fill all these in, and iI will if I think it's worth the trouble. But the only two references here that seem to actually mention shoes are the inaccessible Santa Barbara Thesis, a podiatrist's newsletter on the web, & the Staikos article from some unknown source.

However, I made the error of judging the article from the version where Smokefoot had removed the content. That doesn't help either. But he is right that accepting work of this sort teaches students nothing valid about research, and seems to teach them that if you write for WP, anything goes, regardless of quality. DGG ( talk ) 17:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

When you asked the editor concerned for, for example, details of the Staikos reference, what response did you get? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Merge

Hi Pigsonthewing. After setting the merge process at paisley and buta in motion, aren't you supposed to create the initial entry in the discussion to serve as point of departure for others to then express their views and support/ oppose? I believe people need a little prodding, otherwise if they go to the discussion page and see that the discussion space has not even been initiated, they will jsut turn away? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

No, but if you wish to, be my guest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

From Template:Merge/doc, "After adding the merge template, please create a section on the talkpage explaining your rationale for the merge proposal." So, yes, you are supposed to start the discussion you are pointing people to. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:16, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for quality contributions toward "improving, standardising and rationalising templates, especially infoboxes" such as the growing one for Bach's compositions, for "gently reminding ... don't own sections of Wikipedia" to freely share in the sum of all knowledge: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Two years ago, you were the 340th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, - thank you also for "peace and reconciliation" and for quoting "Let us not forget that even one book, one pen, one teacher can change the world." (pictured) - Please stop making edits which require intelligent reading, such as helping a new new user and helping me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)