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HijackThis

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Reliant entirely on primary sources. No evidence of notability. Previous AfD was kept due to people sharing their own testimonials of how it helped them, which is just not how notability works. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Previous discussions: 2006-11 (closed as ✓ Keep)

Related discussions: 2010-08 Merijn Bellekom (closed as redirect to HijackThis) ← 2006-12 Wssecure (closed as ✗ delete) ← 2005-07 Help2Go Detective (closed as MERGE and REDIRECT)

Logs: 2005-03 ✗ deleted ← 2005-03 ✗ deleted ← 2005-01 ✗ deleted ← 2005-01 ✗ deleted ← 2005-01 ✗ deleted ← 2005-01 ✗ deleted

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Optimizer

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Sources are all just database entries. No evidence of notability. Not eligible for proposed deletion due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dyfuca * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can find plenty of user-generated sources that discuss this malware, and the databases mentioned, but nothing secondary. It's obscure enough that those sources should be enough for anyone seeking information; we don't need a WP page. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing from reputable pubs. Existing coverages are standard database entries and, as highlighted above, user generated forum discussions. X (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - was unable to find significant coverage; does not meet WP:GNG. Suriname0 (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 14:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of rogue security software

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Inherently against WP:NOTDIR/WP:NOTDATABASE. Wikipedia is not a malware database. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Enough notable entries to justify a list. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 16:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really? A large number of the bluelinks are duplicates pointing to the same set of articles, and a large number of the remainder are themselves undergoing deletion processes as non-notable.. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~Delete- Agree with nom, Wikipedia should not serve as a database for malware every and all malware samples. Most of the entries on this list are non-notable (failing WP:SUSTAINED) Sohom (talk) 15:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sohom Datta: Did you mean to support deletion? This looks like a delete argument but "keep" is bolded. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I meant to support deletion. Sohom (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as per WP:NOTDATABASE and because many of these entries do not have an article. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ultimate Defender

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Run-of-the-mill malware with no evidence of notability * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 13:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fakesysdef

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Run-of-the-mill malware with no evidence of notability. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree with Pppery that SealAndBear's description of the malware is indistinguishable from other trojans. This is reinforced by all of the references coming from sites simply announcing Fakesysdef's existence to advertise anti-virus software. MEMZ is a comparable article on a trojan virus, but it justifies its notability through third-party coverage detailing the malware's unique creation and its place in the broader history of computer viruses. BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 08:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Security Shield

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Run-of-the-mill malware with no evidence of notability. PROD previously contested by the now-banned Neelix with "try Google News search" - I did, and I found either nothing or unrelated topics * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ByteDefender

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The fact that BitDefender is sometimes impersonated by malware probably deserves a mention there, but I'm really not seeing how this software is notable. The references are just how-to-guides from malware-removal companies, which will presumably publish such guides for every bit of malware to come to their attention, but this seems very run-of-the-mill to me. Yes, this is an indictment of society, but it is what it is. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing to suggest this particular malware is notable. Just some articles about how to remove it and forum mentions. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Airbiquity

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All sources for this company are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lean keep very difficult to find under all the regurgitated press releases but the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has done a couple of more substantial pieces on the company,^[1]^[2] which looks to have been more prominent in the 2000s. (I don't think the articles are still available online – if anyone would like me to email the full text to review, let me know). I'm not yet fully convinced of notability – we would want to see decent coverage from more than one source – but the situation is not quite as bad as it looks. – Teratix ₵ 06:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cook, John (21 October 2005). "Ex-startup Airbiquity experiences a rebirth". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
^ Cook, John (22 January 2008). "Airbiquity rebounds with funding, deals". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

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Delete. I opened all of the refs, they are routine press releases, 404, tangential and such. Nothing to establish notability. A 1997 startup that had 50-100 employess before being bought up recently and has now disappeared. Desertarun (talk) 19:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look for sources that weren't in the article? – Teratix ₵ 04:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HDE Controller X

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No evidence of notability, no sources, single external link now redirects elsewhere Greenman (talk) 11:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Certainly exists, but doesn't have significant coverage in reliable sources. Best I found was some press releases. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Crummy unreferenced stub. no indication of notability. cursory searches yield nothing of use. X (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seekda

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No independent reliable sources about this niche software company in the article, and I am seeing nothing in a search that is not promotional. BD2412 T 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG obviously. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 02:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Bin, Xu; Sen, Luo; Sun, Kewu (2012). "Towards Multimodal Query in Web Service Search". 2012 IEEE 19th International Conference on Web Services. Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. doi:10.1109/ICWS.2012.42. ISBN 978-1-4673-2131-0.
  The article note: "To the best of our knowledge, Seekda is the most comprehensive search engine for Web Service nowadays. However, Seekda only provides keyword search, which makes its search quality far from satisfactory. For example, assume that a developer wants to search a Web service with the function of sending email. If he types “send email” in Seekda, the first matched Web service is a Short Message Service (SMS). If he inputs “email” in Seekda, the first Web service is for email validation."
  The article notes: "Seekda is currently the most comprehensive global search engine for Web services. However, Seekda only offers keyword search which leads to low accuracy. Because keyword search could not capture the users’ search need well."
2. Fensel, Dieter; Facca, Federico Michele; Simperl, Elena; Toma, Ioan (2011). "Seekda: The Business Point of View". Semantic Web Services. Heidelberg: Springer Berlin. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-19193-0_14. ISBN 978-3-642-19192-3.
  The book notes: "The mission of seekda is to ease the search, interoperability and bundling of services and thus achieve a true Web of services. seekda provides a dedicated Web services search engine, featuring monitoring and invocation facilities. ... The crawler developed at seekda detects services over the Web and classifies them in an internal ontology that is maintained by seekda. Discovered services can then be annotated with semantic descriptions. The aim is to detect as many public services as possible. To achieve this goal, the crawler is focused on both WSDLbased and RESTful services. The search is not just restricted to pure technical service descriptions but also encompasses information surrounding the service, for example, HTML documents that talk about the services. This information will help in a two-fold way: to discover the actual service (and to automatically classify it) and to further annotate the service (given that the extra information about the service is available). The semantic information is then used by the front-end search engine that seekda also develops and provides to users (more in Sect. 14.2.2)."
3. Mirmotalebi, Rozita; Ding, Chen; Chi, Chi-Hung (2012). "Modeling User's Non-functional Preferences for Personalized Service Ranking". Lecture Notes in Computer Science. 7636. Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-34321-6_24. ISBN 978-3-642-34320-9.
  The article notes: "Seekda is a publicly available web service search engine. It contains a good number of web services published online. It also maintains useful information of each service, such as its origin country, the provider information, a link to its WSDL file, tags, its availability, a chart of its response time in the past, a user rating, its level of documentation, etc. For most of the non-functional properties we consider in our system, we could find their values from either Seekda or the original hosting sites, except the provider popularity, the service popularity and the service cost. In the experiment, we excluded them from the similarity calculation. ... There were 7739 providers and 28606 services stored in Seekda (as of August 2, 2011). ... After removing the services with expired URLs, we finally got 1208 services from 537 providers, and each provider contains at least one service. Since Seekda started crawling and monitoring web services from 2006, the oldest service in our dataset was published in 2006."
4. Li, Deyi; Zhang, Haisu; Liu, Yuchao; Chen, Guishen (2010). "On Foundations of Services Interoperation in Cloud Computing". Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg: 9. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-14553-7_3. ISBN 978-3-642-14552-0.
  The article notes: "Seekda’s Web Services portal provides a search platform for public direct access to web services, which can enable users to find web services based on a catalogue of more than 28,000 service descriptions. Services listed at seekda cover a wide range of functionality in map, weather, sports, shopping and entertainment etc., and can be integrated into more capacious services. At present seekda verifies if a service is up once a day, and reports a measurement of availability by means of the frequency whether the server correctly implements the SOAP protocol daily. "
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Seekda to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not convinced that this set of mentions meets WP:NCORP. BD2412 T 12:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Despite Cunard's review of sources, this is a company and therefore needs to meet WP:NCORP. References showing notability must adhere to WP:ORGCRIT and nothing I can find does so. Even GNews only has 3 hits and GSearch shows nothing more than the typical press release, blogs, and CrunchBase type references. If the company was worthy of notice, we would see significant press coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Significant coverage need not come from the press – academic sources are a perfectly legitimate means of establishing notability. – Teratix ₵ 11:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Analysis of the first two sources:
1. Bin, Sen & Sun 2012's abstract says, "Compared with the alternative system Seekda, it is able to obtain much higher search accuracy with keyword query (with a match rate of 2-4 times higher than that of Seekda). The custom search can achieve 100% top-3 match rate, while Seekda fails in most cases using keywords." That a conference paper for IEEE did research on Seekda strongly contributes to notability. The word "Seekda" is used 20 times in the paper.
2. Fensel et al. 2011 has a chapter titled "Seekda: The Business Point of View". The chapter's abstract says, "Industry is slowly picking up on the use of semantic technologies within their systems. In this chapter, we describe how these technologies are employed by seekda, a company focused on Web services." That there is an entire chapter about Seekda in a Springer Berlin book strongly establishes notability. Seekda is mentioned 38 times in the chapter.
It is inaccurate to call these sources merely a "set of mentions". These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Significant coverage as they provide very detailed coverage about Seekda. These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Independent sources because they are functionally independent and intellectually independent. These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience because they are international publications covering this Austrian company. Cunard (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think by your own analysis of the first source it is a mention. The paper is not about Seekda. "Compared with the alternative system......" indicates it is simply being compared to the main topic of the paper and not about Seekda itself. And the fact the name is used 20 times also has no bearing. Curious if you were able to access the entire paper or just the abstract? --CNMall41 (talk) 07:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have full access to all of the sources I listed here. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria says:

A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
These criteria, generally, follow the general notability guideline with a stronger emphasis on quality of the sources to prevent gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals.

Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says:

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". Covering "the topic directly and in detail" (which these sources do) is sufficient to meet the notability guideline.

Cunard (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would have been helpful to note when first presenting the sources that the discussion of the subject went beyond the content quoted. I am more on the fence with that information. It would also be nice to see some of this added to the article. BD2412 T 13:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BD2412 (talk · contribs), I usually do not note that because the full text is usually available to all editors. The full text is not available to all editors for any of these sources, so I will take that feedback into consideration for these kinds of sources. I am hesitant to rewrite an article at AfD as it would be a time waste if the article was still deleted. I've rewritten the article here, however, in the hope that it demonstrates the subject is notable and moves you off the fence in supporting retention. Cunard (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Greenish Pickle!: What do you think? BD2412 T 15:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are two additional sources about the subject:
1. Simperl, Elena; Cuel, Roberta; Stein, Martin (2013). "Case Study: Building a Community of Practice Around Web Service Management and Annotation". Incentive-Centric Semantic Web Application Engineering. Cham: Springer. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-79441-4_4. ISBN 978-3-031-79440-7.
  The book notes: "In this scenario, seekda’s mission is to facilitate on-demand use of services over the Web. As a first step seekda is operating a search engine providing access to publicly available Web APIs. Seekda will simplify purchases across different providers and unify the use of services in bundles. Therefore, the emerging seekda portal can be a good candidate for such an independent Web API marketplace aiming to simplify purchases and transactions across different providers and to unify the usage of services regardless of their origin.
  "... Seekda’s products aim at creating a more transparent and accessible Web API market. The company has developed automatic means to identify Web APIs (on the World Wide Web) and has devised algorithms to enable users to find appropriate APIs for a given task efficiently. By pre-filtering the Web content and indexing Web API specific features, seekda manages the largest set of Web APIs known and make comparison easier through a unified presentation.
  "As depicted in 4.1, the seekda marketplace will facilitate the trade of Web API usage in a one-stop-shopping manner—dramatically reducing procurement costs. The current market is mostly based on atomic service offerings, when completely integrated solutions are clearly needed. Seekda will address this demand by facilitating the creation of service bundles. Interoperability issues between different providers will be handled by the marketplace, which allows for a seamless switching between providers and thus reduces integration costs for the customers of seekda."
2. Petrie, Charles (2009-11-06). "Practical Web Services". IEEE Internet Computing. Vol. 13, no. 6. doi:10.1109/MIC.2009.135.
  The article notes: "To be really useful, an open Web service would be able to be discovered easily by some easy-to-use search engine, perhaps Seekda (http://seekda.com). Now, this is potentially a good tool. Try, for example, searching for “hotel reservation.” You get a list of WSDL services. Click on one and you get the list of operations of the service. Click on one of those, and it asks you to fill in the strings that will compose the message and be sent to the service. This is almost practical. Except you don’t have a clue what you’re being asked to enter. Click, for example, on the “ReservationsService,” which is one of the services returned in the search. Oh, wait, there’s no description yet. Well, just pick the first one in the results list. Its description is “seems to be an internal service.” And if you click on the “Use Now” link, you have no idea what the operations do, individually or together. If you click on one of them, you’re asked to enter strings that correspond to fields that clearly want you to enter some secret codes. Even the previous “ReservationService” has operations with names like “GetRGInfo” with a single message field called “nRGID.” Seekda is possibly the best product of this kind out there. But you see the problem, don’t you?"
Cunard (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying, but I still do not agree. You are pointing to GNG for some of your contention and NCORP for others. Under GNG, "There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". Covering "the topic directly and in detail" (which these sources do) is sufficient to meet the notability guideline." However, under NCORP, there IS a requirement. It is spelled out in WP:ORGCRIT and unfortunately I do not see these meeting that criteria. It likely had a great product for a brief period of time but "presumed" notable and actual notable are not the same. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#How to apply the criteria says:

Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability:
Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
Be completely independent of the article subject.
Meet the standard for being a reliable source.
Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability.

These sources "addres[s] the subject of the article directly and in depth". The guideline does not say Seekda must be "the main topic of the source material".

Cunard (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am very family with what the guideline says. I feel your definition of what constitutes WP:CORPDEPTH is not consistent with how others apply it. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41: You said:

Under GNG, "There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". [...] However, under NCORP, there IS a requirement. It is spelled out in WP:ORGCRIT

I am not seeing anything in ORGCRIT, or NCORP more broadly, that requires a prospective source to cover a company as "the main topic of the source material", as opposed to "directly and in depth". Please point me to the specific text you believe sets this requirement. – Teratix ₵ 11:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bad choice of words on my part. I will admit that as it does not literally say that. I am going off what it says here "Sources that describe only a specific topic related to an organization should not be regarded as providing significant coverage of that organization. Therefore, for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO, but not a significant coverage on the company (unless the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself)" - I take that (and it has been fairly consistent in NCORP AfD discussions) to mean the company must be the main topic.--CNMall41 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But your own quotation specifies an exception if the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself – NCORP, far from requiring something must be "the main topic" of the article in question, explicitly notes the opposite: an article with a different main topic still demonstrates notability if it devotes "significant attention" to the topic under scrutiny. – Teratix ₵ 04:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article is very well-written and makes the best possible use of what sources there are. But the only real source is the book in the Bibliography. The sources Cunard provided are not about the company at all; they're just using a Seekda product as an example in studies of computing problems. This would be like having the article on General Motors sourced mostly to the Consumer Reports reviews of the Chevy Bolt. It isn't in-depth coverage of the company, so WP:NCORP is failed. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This would be like having the article on General Motors sourced mostly to the Consumer Reports reviews of the Chevy Bolt. Sure, but in this scenario the reviews would demonstrate the Chevy Bolt is notable, no? Wouldn't this suggest the article needs to be rewritten to be about the Chevy Bolt rather than deleted altogether? – Teratix ₵ 11:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, just need to tweak the lead to focus on "Seekda" the search engine service, rather than "Seekda" the company. The sources Cunard provides convincingly demonstrate notability. – Teratix ₵ 11:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is assuming the software is notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's been more than adequately demonstrated by the sources. – Teratix ₵ 04:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Thank you for the insightful analysis, Teratix (talk · contribs)! As you've suggested, I've modified the lead to focus on on "Seekda" the search engine service, rather than "Seekda" the company. Cunard (talk) 10:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Software law

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This has been sitting here unsourced and stubbed for years and years. If there is anything notable about "software law", it could just be a section in information technology law or similar article. ZimZalaBim ^talk 03:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Satisfies GNG easily and by an exceptionally wide margin. Has signficant coverage in Google Books, Google Scholar and elsewhere. There are entire books [1][2] [3] [4] [5] [6], and even entire periodicals (such as the Sofware Law Journal [7]), on this subject. There are also many entire periodical articles. The article is not unsourced now. The topic is very easily independently notable from information technology law, of which it is only part, and not even the majority. Being a "stub" is not a policy or guideline based grounds for the deletion of a topic that satisfies GNG. James500 (talk) 07:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for editing it, I remember seeing it a few months ago and being shocked how short it was. -1ctinus📝🗨 11:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per the sources uncovered by James. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Information technology law as a section. Even with improvements, this is still minimal stub quality, and can be expanded within the broader context of information technology law until there is something to break out into a more complete article. BD2412 T 01:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That approach violates the guideline WP:PAGEDECIDE, which says "an article may be a stub even though many sources exist, but simply have not been included yet. Such a short page is better expanded than merged into a larger page". GNG creates a presumption that this topic should have an article, and in view of the language of PAGEDECIDE, there would have to be at least a policy or guideline to rebut that presumption in this case. That approach also goes against the advice of all three criteria of the essay WP:NOTMERGE. The most likely outcome of that approach will be that information technology law, which is already a large and unbalanced page, will become too large (violating WP:TOOBIG) or more unbalanced (violating WP:PROPORTION) or will omit relevant material (and the recent removals of content from that article probably already violate WP:PRESERVE, due to the removal of entire countries that ought to be included, such as the UK and India). James500 (talk) 02:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, although this should also be covered as a section in information technology law. Software law is clearly separate from IT law as a whole, and I feel a lot of notable cases could be covered, like https://www.zdnet.com/article/sun-vs-microsoft-clash-of-the-titans-5000121284/ (from 2002, so reliable). Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it obviously meets GNG without any shred of doubt, but should be expanded ASAP. No point in having such a crummy stub that serves no purpose or usefulness. But technically it meets notability, so yeah, a Keep is a Keep. X (talk) 22:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merged into Embarcadero Technologies. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 00:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)‎[reply]

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No signs of significant coverage immediately visible. Might be merged into Embarcadero Technologies. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No evidence of notability, merge content into Embarcadero Technologies. Greenman (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Embarcadero Technologies: Not notable independently. Could be mentioned at the company though. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AccuSystems

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The article doesn't show any reason for notability and reads as an advertisement. Nigel757 (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Borderline A7, does not really make any recognisable CCS. Also WP:BROCHURE as of current version, but the pre-UPE edited versions available in the article history are better in that regard. I cannot find anything beyond name checks, not even passing mentions really. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Once I removed the spammy promo links, the article was even shorter. Nothing to suggest this company met GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JSmooth

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Software. No assertion of notability, no third party references, tagged since 2019. Sandstein 16:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No sign of notability. I could not find any proper coverage. Unreferenced duffs like these should either be improved or be nuked out of the orbit. I highly doubt anyone can come up with a minimum of 3 sources that'd help establish its cause of notability. [This AFD has been relisted once, and so far no other participation. It'd be a shame if this goes without a consensus.] X (talk) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable software. Zero independent sources. Jfire (talk) 03:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Matroska. Having had that AfD closed as 'keep', this is now a viable close and is supported by consensus. Daniel (talk) 01:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multimedia Container Format

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Abandoned software project. Zero independent sources, nobody cares: tagged since 2022 - Altenmann >talk 20:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and Redirect into Matroska. Streamline8988 (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Which is also nominated for deletion. But maybe together they will survive. the WP:RS scrutiny. - Altenmann >talk 07:22, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and Redirect into Matroska. Absolutely no chance of this having any reason being kept. An unreferenced crummy article. X (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WiX

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This article does not meet the criteria set out in WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSOFT. The majority of sources used are primary sources and therefore considered unreliable, such as the official website of Rob Mensching, the developer of WiX, wixtoolset.org, and Microsoft blogs directly related to the article's topic. The remaining sources are also unreliable blogs. There is a lack of acceptable sources in the article. While the topic may be important for Microsoft, it does not meet Wikipedia's standards without extensive and detailed coverage from authoritative sources that could help establish its notability. Barseghian Lilia (talk) 15:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - there is a reason why WiX is notable within software history with being the first open-source project developed by Microsoft (diverging from their profit-centric closed source model), but similar to other installer technologies and like most technical niches, detailed coverage is unlikely to be found outside of the industry, especially with it being a Microsoft-centric tech. A large number of results are found on Google Scholar where it appears in a number of technical books [8]. TubularWorld (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at the nominator's edit history, I'm a little worried that there is some sort of vendetta, ulterior motives or conflict of interest going on here where aside from creating a couple of Armenian articles this editor appears to just be trying to delete installation technology-related articles, such as comments made by User:Vlad on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/InstallAnywhere. Many of the articles that the nominator has suggested for deletion have been on Wikipedia for many years - in the case of this WiX article it must rank among the oldest articles having been started in 2004, so my question is why are these all being nominated for deletion all of a sudden? TubularWorld (talk) 10:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your observation, I've tried looking for this deletionist user, as far as I can remember I hadn't intersected with her anywhere else (for such vendetta / ulterior motives) and while from the login / name she's obviously Armenian, I really don't know why she wants all these technology articles deleted. With IA it finished finally with a redirect, so the history's not lost, but even I know WiX is more known than IA (InstallAnywhere). --Vlad|-> 10:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TubularWorld also, an interesting fact is that she doesn't like versions history in such articles, sometimes these sections are important in terms of size of text, deleting this first would make the article smaller as it used to be, then more prone to be deleted. --Vlad|-> 10:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: There's secondary sources elsewhere including at least two dedicated books and coverage in other books, at least one web article. Just needs to be cleaned up so it isn't only cited to some guy's blog. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 23:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WikiPedia is highly referenced in Google, when searching for pretty much anything, the en.wiki article (if it exists) is returned in the first 10 results (if not the first 5). It's a pity to click to such a link only to discover it has been deleted and / or transformed into a redirect! --Vlad|-> 14:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a valid reason for keeping. If this were true, no articles would ever be deleted. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This obviously meets GNG. X (talk) 09:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This programming language does not have enough WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. Just another .NET addon. Previously deleted in a 2009 AfD but resurrected by a WP:SPA in 2016. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No indication of significant coverage via my cursory look. Also should be salted. [This should not go without a consensus] X (talk) 19:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non-notable programming language. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Jfire (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New York Software Industry Association

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Appears to be defunct - no recent activity - can't find anything after 2007 - no notable references online. Newhaven lad (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. A search at the New York Secretary of State https://apps.dos.ny.gov/publicInquiry/ says that the association still exists. The archived versions of the association's website include pages that redirect to another group, New York Technology Council, Inc., which later merged into NY Tech Alliance, Inc. https://www.nytech.org/ Perhaps references exist for NY Tech Alliance and its events, including NY Tech Meetup. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A non article. It says nothing and has no refs. 25 edits in 19 years, so could have been prodded away. Desertarun (talk) 20:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Star Mississippi 01:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nette Framework

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No evidence of notability, no independent sources, tagged since 2018. Greenman (talk) 07:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No evidence this is a notable framework. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Apache Software Foundation projects. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apache Ambari

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There are references that verify its existence but nothing that shows notability under WP:GNG. Once of many forks from List of Apache Software Foundation projects. Can be redirected back to the list page as an WP:ATD but bringing to discussion in case someone is able to find better sourcing. CNMall41 (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Found a couple of books that mention Ambari-Hadoop for Dummies and Hadoop in 24 Hours — Sean Brunnock (talk) 11:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: There's some decent coverage in books and in articles found in scholar. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which references? I do see mentions (which again, verify its existence) but which references would you say contribute to notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 03:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Apache Software Foundation projects as nom suggested. Pretty insignificant coverage. — Sean Brunnock (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Nival (company)#Technology. A few more participants at AFD and this discussion wouldn't have needed to be relisted three times. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enigma Engine

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Video game engine used in a handful of games circa 2003. No actual coverage whatsoever. My redirect was correctly undone as it is not mentioned in the target article. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This one is very cut and dry – I found nothing from reliable sources about the subject itself and I think anything that is found could easily be incorporated into the Blitzkrieg video game article that this engine seems to have been created for. Nothing in book searches as well (where you'll commonly find coverage of this kind of thing). Nomader (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Nival (company)#Technology as a WP:ATD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect again or delete: The features description is hardly encyclopedic and the one source is an interview. IgelRM (talk) 20:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Nival (company)#Technology. toweli (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HTML-Kit

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Doesn't have enough coverage in WP:RS or WP:SIGCOV needed to meet notability guidelines. There's some brief coverage in books but nothing significant other than "it's an HTML editor you can use," and nothing else I could find that seemed reliable. Survived an AfD in 2005 solely on the basis of being "well-known." StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Usual software fluffery. Unreferenced since 2005. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails GNG, unsourced, nothing found that meets WP:SIRS. // Timothy :: talk 10:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Installer VISE

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The article does not align with the English Wikipedia's criteria for both WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSOFT. The sources used in the article are mainly either primary sources or focus on the company rather than the software. An earlier attempt in 2011 to remove the article was made due to the lack of detailed and in-depth coverage from reliable sources. Currently, there is still a lack of widespread coverage in reliable sources for this article. Barseghian Lilia (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Shadow311 you relisted this saying that articles that have been proposed for deletion cannot be soft deleted, yet this exact soft deletion has already happened for two other articles for which the deletion has been proposed by the exact same user: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EMCO MSI Package Builder and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zero Install, so how is it at the end of the day?!? Thanks! --Vlad|->

@Vlad: We're at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, which is different from Wikipedia:Proposed deletion.

~~Comment~~ Keep - After looking at the nominator's edit history, I'm a little worried that there is some sort of vendetta, ulterior motives or conflict of interest going on here where aside from creating a couple of Armenian articles this editor appears to just be trying to delete installation technology-related articles. Many of the articles that the nominator has suggested for deletion have been on Wikipedia for many years - in the case of the WiX article (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WiX) it must rank among the oldest articles having been started in 2004, so my question is why are these all being nominated for deletion all of a sudden? TubularWorld (talk) 13:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. It is easy to find independent WP:RS of very reasonable quality. For example, here is an article in an IEEE publication reviewing a different installer and using Vise as a reference point for comparisons: [9]. --Викидим (talk) 00:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've changed my vote to keep after having done a little more research into this software (and added a few things to the article). It appears that this was quite popular 20 something years ago, even to the point that Apple themselves distributed their own software using it. TubularWorld (talk) 09:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. There was no discussion of the sources provided during the discussions, the delete rationales are not paritcularly strong, and there were a couple of merge suggestions. A merge discussion can be handled on the talk page. (non-admin closure) voorts (talk/contributions) 02:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ClanLib

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Nothing in the article suggests this meets WP:NSOFT/WP:GNG, and my BEFORE did not find anything useful (WP:SIGCOV-compliant). Can anyone save this? Otherwise we can consider a redirect target, perhaps? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Piotrus:, are you asserting that what the article purports to be full chapters in two different game programming books doesn't amount to SIGCOV? I don't have access to or know these sources, so maybe you know something not obvious from the description here. ~ A412 ^talk! 08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@A412 I did not realize the second one is a book (dead link, all refs are malformatted and don't suggest they are books). The third one does link to a book page but I could not verify the contents (it is just publisher page). I also remain unconvinced that coverage in how-to/textbooks is sufficient to prove something is notable, unless those books are widely used. There is a lot of low quality spammy how-to/textbooks in the computer sciences field, particularly now in the AI days (although those works are likely old enough to at least not be AI creations). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" does indeed have a chapter on it, although I can't access the full text, unsure about the other one. There seems to be some decent sources in Google Books and some in Scholar. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@StreetcarEnjoyer Is the publisher (Premier Press)? Their website suggests they do print-on-demand stuff, so self-publishing. See [10] or Our work helps you achieve your marketing goals.. Assuming this is the right company, this one does a lot of non-book gadget printing?? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, Amazon lists pub as Course Technology PTR, a subsiduary of Cengage Group. Course Technology PTR has Premier Press as an imprint. While I'm fairly confident who the publisher is, I can't say whether or not there's editorial control. @Piotrus I suspect you have an unrelated Premier Press website there, by the looks of it they're not in educational publishing. ~ A412 ^talk! 02:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some stuff I found if you'd like to look at it and decide upon its reliability. [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment: List of games built with ClanLib: https://web.archive.org/web/20060626025824/http://www.clanlib.org/games.html - all of them seems to be hobby projects or even learning projects. I doubt that any of that on it's own would have Wikipedia article. Quickly looking at the list I do not see anything commercial or noteworthy. Pbm (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah I would personally delete it. Looking for useful game engines and this page wasted my time. 24.113.50.192 (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A link to the website perhaps from its entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines since that's how I ended up here. 24.113.50.192 (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTUSEFUL. The article "wasting your time" is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. What matters is if the books that discuss the subject are independent and contain WP:SIGCOV. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just some thoughts. I remember ClanLib. Back in the day, it was a 'big thing' for GNU/Linux users. At the time, Pingus was one of its showcase projects. Eventually, late 2007, Pingus switched to SDL. But early on, both gained popularity as SEUL(-supported) projects. Pingus still has its website there, and starting 19 July 2003 ClanLib was hosted there. I agree that ClanLib is not - or, no longer - notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, but perhaps it could get a single sentence at Video games and Linux § 1998–2002. Then the ClanLib article could redirect there. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 1.0

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Unsupported Tyytthtyyyyuyj (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep: Invalid deletion reason, article has good article status. Is this a joke? StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 13:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Software proposed deletions

Solar Eclipse Maestro (via WP:PROD on 11 September 2023)
Pixillion Image Converter (via WP:PROD on 10 September 2023)

[1] Cook, John (21 October 2005). "Ex-startup Airbiquity experiences a rebirth". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

[2] Cook, John (22 January 2008). "Airbiquity rebounds with funding, deals". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

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