Talk:Sikkim/Archive 1

Archive 1

Too many images

There are waaaaay too many images here. I say we have tah delete some of them! अमेय आरयन AMbroodEY 19:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The pictures are a great addition. More articles need lots of pictures like this. PoolGuy 19:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

History

In 1849 two British doctors ventured into the mountains of Sikkim unannounced and unauthorised. The doctors were detained by the Sikkim government, leading to a punitive British expedition against the Himalayan kingdom, after which the Darjeeling district and Morang were annexed to India in 1835.

What happened between 1849 and 1947 (the next year mentioned), anyway? 219.77.98.22 04:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Some old untitled talks

The article says

Sikkim became the 22nd Indian State, with a popularly elected chief minister, on April 26, 1975. The position of Chogyal was thus abolished, ending the monarchy. On May 16 the annexation was complete.

Do we know anything abt what kind of steps took place from Apr 26 to May 16? Sounds incomplete as it stands.--Jerzy 14:51, 2003 Oct 23 (UTC)

I've removed the following from the article.

However, Sikkim is still recognized by the People's Republic of China as a sovereign country.

As of 2003-2004, China no longer treats Sikkim as an independent nation [1] Ambarish Talk 06:51, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the wording in the chapter Demographics from "The demographics of Sikkim changed in the 20th century due to immigration of Nepalese, Tibetans, and Indians (many of the latter being Indian-provided bureaucrats who may have foreseen personal advantage from Sikkim's incorporation into India)." It becomes quite absurd to describe Indians as a separate ethnic group, both since there is no uniform Indian ethnicity but also since the Sikkimese themselves are Indians. Also many of the Nepalese and even Tibetans that have migrated to Sikkim are of Indian nationality. --Soman 23:11, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, its more Does saying the roads are in "pathetic" condition have an encyclopedic tone? Thc420 05:26, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Sundar 05:37, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

A realistic expression of Sikkim's annexation, I read was its 'absorption' into India as original Sikkimese were outnumbered by migrants from surrounding regions. Bhutan is trying to fight a similar fate. I find small nations or cultural entities getting engulfed by bigger ones (naturally or by force)as a sad event. But history, is replete with it, so in 1975 the world said goodbye to the independent Sikkim.[Ralph Eskimo]

Yaaaa, its so sad! We could have done without it Sisney dude 19:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Own Airport in 2005?

The article says "Sikkim is slated to get its own airport in 2005." I am removing this sentence since it is obviously out of date. I googled around a bit but was unable to find anything on the current status of the airport project, so I will leave it to others with more knowledge to update the article wwith the latest on that. Wbrameld 18:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

You are right. It'll take few more years for the airport to be made. There is not half a mile that is plain so it'll take whole lotta work. The roads too need to be widened and smoothened Sisney dude 19:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

size of state

The article on Goa says that Goa is the second smallest state after Delhi, this article says Sikkim is second smallest after Goa. Which is it? Rmpfu89 19:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Elementary, Watson: Delhi's not yet a state. —Nightstallion (?) 02:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Tone

Inapporpriate The intro presently reads (emphases added):

"Sikkim (also Sikhim) (Devanāgarī: सिक्किम pronunciation^ⓘ) is a landlocked Indian state nestled in the Himalayas. It is the least populous state in India, and the second smallest in area after Goa. Sikkim was an independent country ruled by the Namgyal Chogyals (kings), but following a referendum forced by the Indian Government on Sikkim that was held in 1975 in which the people of Sikkim were outnumbered by immigrants from outside the state voted in favour of merging the state with India..."

Even if this is true, it's an improper way to word this section. Can someone who knows more than me fix this? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree strongly with Koavf. I reverted the current version back to the previous version but it was reverted back by another editor and I decided not to get into an edit war. Viewfinder 02:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Sikhim/Sikhs

In view of the alternate spelling, non-Asians probably deserve something clarifying, perhaps both a ToP Dab and something parenthetical in the text. Perhaps what i've edited:

Sikhim redirects here. For members of the Sikh religious group, see Sikhism.

Sikkim (also Sikhim; the similarity of this transliteration to "Sikh" is a mere coincidence between words from two separate language families and two widely separated areas of northern India) (Devanāgarī notation, in various local languages: सिक्किम pronunciation^ⓘ)

BTW, the above attempts to correct

(Devanāgarī: सिक्किम ...

which is contrary to our usual specification of the native language for a place name. My guess is that the same spelling in the Devanāgarī alphabet is used in most or all of the various local languages. (Neither of my unabridged dictionaries gives a language for the name; http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Sikkim/id/1897059 favors Nepali as language of origin, but mentions also a theory for Limbu, which a number of other sites advocate for. But origin is not really to the point IMO.)

The Devanagari spelling is incorrect. As written it would have to be pronounced "Sakkimi". Shouldn't it be written िसिक्कम ? LADave 04:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sikkim Wikiproject proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

Description

A project, probably working with Wikipedia:WikiProject India, to work on articles relating to the Indian state of Sikkim.

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)

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2. Chris (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments

• The proposer should also add their name. Chris (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Scouting

Did Sikkim have Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts prior to its absorption into India? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Separate articles

Surely we should have two separate articles- one for Sikkim as an independent state and one for the current state of India, for example the Khanate of Khiva has a separate page for when it was an independent state as a Russian protectorate to when it became an SSR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.174.184 (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Is Tibet a country?

From the article:

The thumb-shaped state borders Nepal in the west, Tibet to the north and east, and Bhutan in the southeast.

Um, wait, Nepal and Bhutan are U.N. recognized countries, but last I checked, Tibet hasn't been on the list in about 40 years. It's now considered a Chinese province (whether one is happy about that or not). Should the article instead mention that Sikkim borders "China"? (or the "Chinese province of Xizang (Tibet)"?) - Eric (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

untiled sectin

Someone changed the capital to "New York City". I changed it back to "Gangtok".131.230.25.159 (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Fauna of Sikkim

Sikkim has

156 species of mammals (Avasthe R, Jha A, (1999)Mammals of Sikkim, World Wide Fund For Nature - India)

61 species of Reptiles (Jha A, Thapa K. (2003) "Reptiles and Amphibians of Sikkim" Shila Jha)

19 species of Amphibians (Jha A, Thapa K. (2003) "Reptiles and Amphibians of Sikkim" Shila Jha) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.91.210 (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Limbu Name

Sikkim (Nepali: Lif-Sikkim.ogg सिक्किम (help·info), Tibetan: Denzong[1])

this first line says. sikkim is nepali name.. which is not true. its english name.. you should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:kalzang rabgay denzongpa (talk • contribs) 02:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

You cannot tell which state is Sikkim by the map, it emphasizes several

As with the great majority of the India provincial pages, one is left wondering what the heck the map depicts. To the even the most discerning viewer, one cannot figure out which area is the area being described by the article. Who did the India map pages??? They are very poor in quality and they never clearly show which region is being described by the article. Please fix, anyone with access to at least slightly above "poor" maps. To clarify, several colors are used for the region. One could look at it and guess there are several regions described. This is not clear, and the main Indian map is hard to see.--99.132.143.69 (talk) 00:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is the area in color. You are welcome to improve the maps if you can. You can discuss about this with Planemad (talk · contribs).--GDibyendu (talk) 06:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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Religion

Can anyone confirm whether Buddhism is the major religion in Sikkim? An anon IP recently edited it and changed it to Hinduism. As of now, I have rejected that edit. But I want to make sure. Please post comments below. Regards. MikeLynch (talk) 08:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The Census 2001 gives the following data:

• Hindu: 71,027
• Buddhist: 29,356

See also here and here (result 2 of 3). More search results here. Wiki-uk (talk) 12:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I have changed and accepted the revision. Good day. MikeLynch (talk) 14:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

inappropriate and unverified claims

Okay this page lacks in editorial quality:

"Sikkim was annexed by India following a referendum forced on it against the will of the majority of its people." Could you present a source where we can verify this without having to buy an obscure paperback on Amazon, please.

I'm not saying it is untrue, but it sounds like a divisive statement strongly implying India used force that needs to be backed up by strong sources.

"Sikkim has become one of India's most visited states, owing to its reputation of cleanliness, scenic beauty and political stability."

Okay, this sounds like straight out of a tourist brochure. Surely a small distant provice isn't "one of India's most visited". regardless, please provide facts of visitor numbers, reports of cleanliness and stability. (The scenic beauty I buy, mostly because this is always subjective).

195.24.29.51 14:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You are right, these need strong referencing. Am deleting the same. The original editor can add them back again backed with adequate & appropriate references. AshLin 14:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The version of history given here is the official Indian propaganda. Pretty blatant too - "The Chogyal was proving to be extremely unpopular with the people" is false, and not just very POV. The reality is that Sikkim was annexed at the whim of Indira Gandhi. It was a power grab, partly to divert attention from her domestic troubles, partly strategic (Sikkim being on the Chinese border - Tibet actually!) There history should be rewritten to reflect the truth - or at least show both sides (the Indian version, and what really happened). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

ban of plastic in Sikkim

I just want to add one more fact to the article.

Sikkim is the first Indian State which banned plastic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.53.41 (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

A bit missing

There's a bit missing here, since while Sikkim was a British protectorate, this should mention that after Indian independence Sikkim was, if anything, an INDIAN protectorate. As it reads at the moment it appears that Sikkim was always a British Protectorate until it saw the light and voted by an incredible majority for incorporation into India following India occupying Gangtok. That should be 'protecting Gangtok'.

"Later, Sikkim became a British protectorate, before merging with India following a referendum in 1975."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.254.163 (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 

Edit request on 31 March 2012

I would like to add some more information about the origin of the word 'Sikkim' in the Etymology section. Your permission would be highly appreciated.

Haangpa (talk) 13:09, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Sikkim is alaso referred to as the Switzerland of the East in many articles and books and esp. during the British Raj.

It is a very useful note to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.244.73.4 (talk) 13:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

incorrect citation

Citation 11 (sikkim tourism board) is deprecated and no longer links to the correct place. The site has moved to http://www.sikkimtourism.travel/Webforms/General/Default.aspx since the page is semi-protected (why?) and I can't edit it, I'm just going to leave this here and hope someone who can do something about it does. --Aidanomatic (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Updated the URL. Thanks a lot. Not sure why it is semi-protected.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 July 2013

include the following fact to the page in the cuisine section :

Tongba — a millet-based alcoholic brew found in the far eastern mountainous region of Nepal and Sikkim, India.

</ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongba</ref>

196.15.16.101 (talk) 11:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Done with this edit. Thank you. Begoon ^talk 15:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Are Buddhist a majority?

See Religion in India#Buddhist majorities - dubious. Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Annexation of Sikkim -- Referendum under Indian Bayonets

India's annexation of Sikkim was definitely NOT due to the unpopularity of the last Chogyal and the Kazi was coerced into requesting merger with India by Mrs Gandhi. Before that, it was a part of Nepal. This article is factually inaccurate when it describes the events of of 1975-76. There is also no mention of the clashes between the ethnic Nepali and Lepcha peoples during the 70's that contributed in part to the instability that gave India a pretext to annex Sikkim. The Far Eastern Economic Review, Hope Cooke and Siddharth Ray provide a less biased account of the actual events. --Notquiteauden 15:09, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So its popular belief that the Kazi was coerced? My references say that the Chogyal was unpopular. Any articles online which contradict the mentioned statement?  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 18:54, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

In today's newspapers in Germany a military invasion is mentioned as anniversary, and the german version of this article says to, too. Looks like much research is to be done yet... 213.196.217.71 10:25, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

97% seems a bit too much for me. I bet there is something that we're missing.--Luci_Sandor  09:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well Article 2 of Indian Constitution says that Indian Parliament can allow a state to join the Union of India on conditions it seems fit, it was argued in RC Poudyal v UoI that India had rigged the referendum, but if it was so then why is so much of problem in Kashmir? The army could have easily rigged the poll in Kashmit too. the high percentage of votes for amalgamation was reflecting the aspiration of the sikkimese people as almost 45% of them were working in India and their families felt that in order to have a secure future they have to join the Union of India. Now to a neutral viewer this incentive can seem coercion however the field realities may not always be the same. Legaleagle86 04:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mentioned that referendum on joining India took place after Indian troops had invaded Sikkim. Source: Elite Forces of India and Pakistan, Ken Conboy and Paul Hannon, Osprey Publishing, London 1992 ——Nussknacker胡桃夹子^.^tell me... 05:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There's no mention of the Chinese influence here: having conversed with a former Sikkim Royal, he seemed to indicate that there was also the potential for Chinese annexation or similar ... (sorry, my comments not verifiable) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.187.163 (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

My understanding too, from personal discussions during my visit, is that the country was annexed by force, against the will of its native people. Contributing factors may have been the Chinese influence causing India to influence the referendum by encouraging plainspeople to move there. There's an interesting story about how the Indian Army faced off the only Sikkim defence force: the palace guard, hopelessly outnumbered. I would hope there might be found some text to verify these stories. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.118.42.66 (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Where have we heard this never-credible-story before? 1) Small country's leader "requests" larger neighboring country to annex the smaller country. 2) Larger country's army invades (why was the army needed if the smaller country was so eager to be annexed?) and smaller army surrenders without a fight. 3) Just so everyone is assured that this is all legitimate, larger country holds a plebiscite and gets an unrealistically high percent of the vote. (Poor India, only 97%, the Soviet Union used to get 99% in their elections, and Saddam Hussein got 99.9%. Did someone actually count the real ballots from one district? Someone needs to go back to ballot-box stuffing school for a refresher course.)

Is Sikkim better off now than before? Maybe, who knows? When history is so clearly an exercise in fiction, who can determine the reality of the current situation. These events occurred during an unfortunate period in India's otherwise honorable modern era. Would it be so hard to provide an honest accounting of events? Or would that call into question the legitimacy of Sikkim's current status as a "full" Indian state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.125.124 (talk) 04:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2014

When it says "borders " and then lists a series of countries in the opening paragraph it should read "bordered by" or the location should be reversed(i.e. south and west instead of east and north). BlueFireAt (talk) 04:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Fair point. Done, thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 14:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014

94.205.102.166 (talk) 13:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC) I would like to add a Sikkimese transcription of the state's name: Sikkimese: འབྲས་ལྗོངས 'Denjong'

 Not done Please provide sourcing and exactly where you would like the edit/change to be made. --JustBerry (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2014

Please edit the Education Section. Add Sikkim's latest Literacy rate is 82.20% as per Census 2011. Reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate Swangchuk14 (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

 Done - but for future reference please note we cannot use Wikipedia as a reliable source - you need to quote the actual source. - Arjayay (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2014

In Sikkim Festival Dussera is known as Dashain or Diwali is known as Tihar. So please change in Wikipedia page of Sikkim#Culture, Dussera as Dashain and Diwali as Tihar In Sikkim, Festival of Dussera is known as Dashain or Diwali is known as Tihar. So please change in Wikipedia page of Sikkim#Culture, Dussera as Dashain and Diwali as Tihar Sources : http://travel.himalayanglacier.com/latest/dashain-the-longest-and-the-most-auspicious-festival-for-nepalese.html

http://himalayasnepal.com/festivals-of-the-himalayas/

http://www.imnepal.com/diwali-deepawali-tihar/ 49.244.213.154 (talk) 09:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 07:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2014

The description mentioned beneath the photo of Kangchenjunga in Section Geography mentions it is second highest peak in India and the third-highest on Earth. The information is wrong as the highest peak of Kangchenjunga(8586m) lies in Nepal with its other belt in Sikkim and India. Please correct the description as it is giving sense that Kangchenjunga lies in India only. 120.89.124.227 (talk) 15:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The article already states that it "situated on the border between Sikkim and Nepal.". Stickee (talk) 07:32, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Correct Tibetan transcription: "Drenjong" NOT "Denjong"

Hi,

The name of Sikkim in Tibetan is "Drenjong" (pronounced like Jen-jong), and not "Denjong." In Tibetan script: འབྲས་ལྗོངས་ (Wylie: 'bras ljongs). Notice the Tibetan spelling is "bras" (pronounced "jen"), not "das" (would be pronounced as "den"). Source: Manual Of Standard Tibetan: Language And Civilization (Tournadre: 2005)

Hope this can be corrected.

Thanks!

Done — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 19:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015

I would like to suggest regarding the page of SIKKIM to add about the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY SIKKIM in the page of SIKKIM in Wikipedia. So that people and users can know about the NIT SIKKIM. Because it is an institute of National importance.www.nitsikkim.ac.in Nani2396 (talk) 08:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Protection

Why is this page protected? 31.52.167.61 (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2015

Requesting change from Standing 8,586 metres (28,169 ft) tall, it is the second-highest peak in India and the third-highest on Earth.

to:

Standing 8,586 metres (28,169 ft) tall, it is the highest peak in India and the third-highest on Earth.

K2 lies between the Uygur Autonomous Region of Xinjiang, China and Gilgit-Baltistan portion of Kashmir, which is currently under the administration of Pakistan. (http://www.britannica.com/place/K2). 49.244.136.197 (talk) 14:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done - I know there are many border disputes in the area, but K2 is not de-facto in India - Arjayay (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

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Cable Cars

Cable car is a mode of transport within Sikkim. Damodar ropeways is functional and connects Deorali, Gangtok with Tashiling, Gangtok. Deorali Cable Car Station is of great importance because of its proximity to Namgyal Institute of Tibetology. Rope ways have run in Gangtok ever since monarchy period. Historic 1971 movie 'Sikkim' by Satyajith Ray has documented the Footage.

Sikkim Goverment has also completed the construction of cable cars in Namchi, South Sikkim but is on test run stage. 103.51.222.243 (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Nominate it for GA/Featured

I think this is an excellent article. Someone having knowledge about the topic should nominate it for Good Article/Featured Article as soon as possible

Pratyush 11:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PratyushSinha101 (talk • contribs)

Official language

Which is the official language, Nepali or English ? Both are mentioned. 31.215.115.233 (talk) 10:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Noble orchid

The picture shown in the Flora and Fauna section depicts Cymbidium goeringii instead of Dendrobium nobile, the actual official flower. The article correctly mentions this but the picture is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeonTetraploid (talk • contribs) 21:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Vbras Ljong

Please do not remove the Tibetan words of Vbras Ljong, the Tibetan name of Sikkim. If you cannot see the words, please go to [2] and install the font.

Tan, 12:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Iraq

Can someone explain to me how this "Indian state" can be the second most populous state in "Iraq"? Shouldn't it be "India"?

Venice, 09:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

One word. "Vandalism"  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 18:51, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Mismatch between the geography and economy sections

I have added a single line to the geography section to state that the land of sikkim does have farmable areas due to terrace farming. Otherwise, it seemed like there was a mismatch between the geography section which vehemently states that the land is not good for farming and the economy section which states that the state has a mostly agrarian population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tprasanthm (talk • contribs) 23:34, 8 April 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for doing so. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 04:49, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Really great article, i wasn't suprised it is featured

This link is what triggered me to visit the article [3]

Page watch

I don't watch this page anymore so any replies expected may be directed to my talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 3, 2005 06:56 (UTC)

Least densely populated state?

Surely the least densely populated state is Arunachal Pradesh with only 13/km².

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2017

In the Bibliography Section please add the following best selling book on Sikkim "Sikkim-A Guide and Handbook" 19th Edition 2014 by Rajesh Verma ISBN 1480149357 117.96.240.128 (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 117.96.240.128 (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is not for promotion. We do not typically link such kinds of materials. Izno (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Sikkim

Technology of Sikkim

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File:Large Gautama Buddha statue in Buddha Park of Ravangla, Sikkim.jpg

First of all a disclaimer that the aforementioned image is shot by me.

Large Gautama Buddha statue in Buddha Park of Ravangla, Sikkim

This is a high resolution image of the iconic Buddha statue in Ravangla.

This is the best in its scope as has been voted in VI.

I believe that in the Wikipedia page on Sikkim, on the religion subheading, this image should be displayed.

This image is a Quality Image, a Valued Image as well as a Featured Picture in English Wikipedia. It is also expected to be shortly nominated in the Wikimedia Commons as a featured picture as well.

This is one of only 22 Featured picture in entire English Wikipedia on India and the only one from Sikkim.

All this I am saying just to illustrate that this is a very relevant as well as high quality image which I believe will contribute in further value adding to this already detailed and well written page.

I have a disconnect with user:Gazoth who believes "Image is too big and takes too much space".

I believe that he does have a point and accordingly the image may be scaled down to a smaller thumbnail size in the article.

However the image should have a place in this article.

I would very much welcome other editors of Wikipedia to share your views. - Subhrajyoti07 (talk) 13:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Railways section

Rao Ravindra, there is no need for disruptive editing to make your point. You can just express your views here on the talk page. If you want to update the Railways section, you can do it without removing citations. Citations should be present for content on every page, even if that content was copied from a different page. —Gazoth (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with History of Sikkim

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This page is the History of Sikkim. Does not qualify for an individual page. Also please improve its language. Aggarwala2727 (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose This article has been written in summary style and thus summarizes the history of Sikkim. As the level of detail is much higher in History of Sikkim, it doesn't mean that the content has been duplicated here. —Gazoth (talk) 17:12, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Gazoth. I don't see any case made for the proposal. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose agree with Gazoth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tibet Nation (talk • contribs)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wrong religious census for 2001

Census showing wrong growth and decline of different religious communities from 2001 to 2011. Kindly edit it with correct census or keep that portion where 2001 census of different religious group are mentioned deleted. Loingao (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021

Following the subsequent defeat of Gorkha, the Chinese Qing dynasty established control over Sikkim. Laxupradhan1993 (talk) 08:58, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 Already done It appears as though that text is already in the article, verbatim. If you were looking to change it, please clarify to what, and why. Thank you.  A S U K I T E  11:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2021 (2)

Following the subsequent defeat of Gorkha, the Chinese Qing dynasty established control over Sikkim. this sentence is false Laxupradhan1993 (talk) 05:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 09:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2021

Following the subsequent defeat of Gorkha, the Chinese Qing dynasty established control over Sikkim. Laxupradhan1993 (talk) 05:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2021

In the Economy Section, it is mentioned that Sikkim produces more Cardamom than any other State. This is however wrong. Kerala is the leading Cardamom producer in India. Prakash 31 (talk) 06:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:56, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Correction required in the quick facts section of the article.

There are only 4 districts in Sikkim not 6. 27.4.235.203 (talk) 04:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Please add the Hindi/Nepali spelling of Sikkim to the Box & article's first sentence: सिक्किम

172.83.69.121 (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 01:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

It has more to do with WP:NOINDICSCRIPT policy rather than sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Sikkim ki rajdhani

Sikkim 110.225.80.189 (talk) 07:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Kangchenjunga, the highest peak in India

K2

8611 metres

The highest peak in Indian subcontinent

Highest Peaks in States of India - List of Highest Mountain Peaks in India (byjus.com) Nepalilanguage (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2022

Please add the protection template. I have a large headache. 70.71.80.27 (talk) 19:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Sikkim. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. Kautilya3 (talk) 20:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Hidden POV's

The section called Sikkim#Under the British Raj has this passage:

In 1849, two British physicians, Sir Joseph Dalton Hooker and Dr. Archibald Campbell, the latter being in charge of relations between the British and Sikkimese governments, ventured into the mountains of Sikkim unannounced and unauthorised. The doctors were detained by the Sikkimese government, leading to a punitive British expedition against the kingdom, after which the Darjeeling district and Morang were annexed to British India in 1853. The Chogyal of Sikkim became a titular ruler under the directive of the British governor as a result of the invasion.

References

Both the segments are problematic, but it is the first segment that worried me the most. How did anybody claim that the doctors went "unannounced and unauthorised". What is in the Blackwood's magazine? Who wrote it? Why was a citation from 1890 used, when there are dozens of contemporary histories of Sikkim available? Looking into the history, here is what we find:

• In 2005, an editor called Nichalp added an enormous amount of unsourced content, part of which was the claim:

In 1849, a pair of British doctors ventured into the mountains of Sikkim unannounced and unauthorised. The doctors were detained by the Sikkim government, which led to a punitive British expedition against the Himalayan kingdom following which the Darjeeling district and Morang were annexed in 1861.

• A year later, an editor called Gowron beefed it up by adding the names of the two doctors and the tidbit that one of them was "in charge of the relations between British and Sikkim governments".
• In 2009, an editor called Hometech (now blocked) added the professional looking citation. The page number was quite precise, but no author has been specified and no url given, so nobody was able to verify it, until today.

So what does the citation say?

Fifteen years afterwards Dr Campbell, the Superintendent of Darjeeling, and Dr (now Sir Joseph) Hooker, while travelling in Sikkim with the permission of the British Government and the Raja, were seized and imprisoned by the influential monopolist, Namguay, popularly known as the Paglå Diwån, or mad Prime Minister of Sikkim. This treachery was punished by the annexation of the entire Morang, and a large area of the middle hills bounded on the north by the Great Rungeet river. But Namguay, though ostensibly dismissed from office, continued to exercise great influence through his wife, an illegitimate daughter of the Raja. Criminals were harboured in Sikkim, and British subjects were kidnapped from our own territory for the purposes of the slave-trade between Sikkim and Bhutan. Having exhausted all ordinary forms of protest, the Government of India found it necessary in 1860-61 to order the occupation of Sikkim by force ...

References

It doesn't say they went "unnaounced and unauthorised". It is quite the opposite. Still Risley was a British official. We can't take him at his word. Here is a modern source from a JNU professor:

Tsugphu Namgyal’s retirement from State affairs due to advanced age provided an impetus to Trokhang Dronyer Namgyal’s [the Diwan's] ambitions. In 1848 Trokhang Dronyer Namgyal refused permission to Joseph Hooker, a noted British botanist, to explore Sikkim. Later, however, he granted the permission when Archibald Campbell, first Superintendent of Darjeeling (1839-64), threatened to report the matter to the British Government. Towards the end of 1849, Campbell and Hooker, who had been travelling in Sikkim with the prior permission of Tsugphu Namgyal, were arrested near the Sikkimese-Tibetan border. Most Sikkimese at this time were for a policy of friendship with the British. These included the Tsibu Lama, who was the agent of the King of Sikkim in Darjeeling (1849-61 ). As he was unable to secure support for his action even from Tsugphu Namgyal and the Tibetans, Trokhang Dronyer Namgyal released Campbell and Hooker.

References

Once again it is made clear that the doctors had the Raja's permission and it was the influential Dewan that had misbehaved.

This is the phenomenon that I am beginning to call wikilaundering. Random POV's added by long-gone editors ages ago, have been a laundered by adding authentic-looking citations so as to preserve the POV's forever. I encourage all editors to reject all edits that add citations to existing content without explanation or verify that the citations actually support the content that they purport to support.

Postscript: Joseph Dalton Hooker is indeed an extremely notable botanist. He also happens to be the first one to travel around in Sikkim and describe its geography. It is he who declared that the Dongkya Range begins at Mount Gipmochi, which became an article of faith to the British and got put into the 1890 Convention of Calcutta. Sir Joseph never went into the Chumbi Valley. If he did, he would have known that Gipmochi further back and nowhere part of the Chumbi Valley itself. It is because of this error that China is able to build a military garrison on top of the Doklam Plateau, much to the detriment of Bhutan as well as India. Almost all encroachments of China into the Indian subcontinent are based on British errors of this kind. China cleverly exploits all such errors, while also bad-mouthing "British imperialism" at the same time. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Cardamom production

Its kerela not sikkim which accounts for the largest share of cardamom production in india.. please change that in the top section. https://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/India%20Production/India_Productions.aspx?hscode=1101 2405:201:300E:CCEB:E06D:CCFC:1F3F:2DC4 (talk) 12:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done. I removed it from the lead. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2023

President Groupadi Murumu appointed Lakshman Prasad Acharya as Sikkim's new governor. The change isn't reflected in Wikipedia yet! Lokeshvenkat17 (talk) 04:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 02:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)