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June 2009 Posts

Thank you

Thanks for your welcome and helpful help, Ched. (Labellesanslebete (talk) 18:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

hey, no problems - and you're always welcome here too. If ya have any questions, feel free to ask, and if I don't know, I'll find someone who does. ;) — Ched :  ?  19:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

I would like to thank you for coming out and participating in my Request for Adminship, which closed unsuccessfully at (48/8/6) based on my withdrawal. I withdrew because in my opinion I need to focus on problems with my content contributions before I can proceed with expanding my responsibilities. Overall I feel that the RfA has improved me as an editor and in turn some articles which in my eyes is successful. Thank you again for your support. Cheers and happy editing.--kelapstick (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, it's he :D.--kelapstick (talk) 19:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
LMAO ... hey, I thought it was, but I'm never sure on the Internet. Hey, I'll think you'll make a fine admin., and would expect you'd sail through it next time with ease. Drop me a poke when it happens, and since I'm asking - nobody can call it canvassing ... lol. By the way, I was honest when I said I enjoyed working with you, I like the way you're able to think outside the box, and I think that's a great skill for an admin. to have. Look forward to working with ya in the future. ;) — Ched :  ?  19:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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- Dank (push to talk) 00:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Equality

Thank you for the pointer, it looks interesting. I'm replying here as I am clearly no longer welcome at Pedro's talk page and my last message there is of course a reply to him and not to you! Groomtech (talk) 06:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, thought it might be something you'd enjoy reading. I'll go back and read through Pedros talk too, because I was basically just chipping in on the topic of "rights", and hadn't really read everything, but rather skimmed it. I think you might be mis-understanding a bit. Remember, we come from a wide variety of cultures, age groups, and backgrounds here. Some folks will feel it's more civil, more useful, and actually the best way to approach things, if they simply state what they believe to be obvious. Some people will sugar-coat their words, considering it to soften things, but others may see that as clouding or confusing the issue - and would rather just state outright in a clear concise manner the point that they're trying to get across. I see you have a WQA thread opened, .. ehhh .. naaaa. Hey, just read up a few threads on this very page, and you'll see that I can be a bit sensitive about certain things as well, so I'd like to think I can relate to the issue of being sensitive. I'd just drop back over at WQA and let 'em know that you might have not fully understood the intent of things, and that it was ok to archive the thread. Trust me, Pedro is one of the good guys around here Groomtech. I'd be surprised if he meant to offend you in any way. — Ched :  ?  15:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The WQA has already been closed, but thank you for your time and trouble anyway. Groomtech (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Pedro has left an apology in case you felt it was required. Is it ok to tag as resolved then?
Note to anyone watching - that pesky old thing called "real life" calls. bbl (be back later). Feel free to monitor and do as you see fit with this while I'm gone. I'm not precious about much here. Even my talk page. ;) — Ched :  ?  19:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh the things we can do... hmmm....---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
lmao - I guess I'm gonna have to start checking the dark dusty corners here, just to make sure there aren't any old dead fish layin'1 around that would smell up the joint. ;)

1 lay?, lie? .. never did have a good handle on that one. let's see: lay on the table - hills lie behind us .. awww forget it. Edit my comment at will (this one time) ... lol. — Ched :  ?  22:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm

I've been aware of the wp:TIGERS for a while now. I noticed one today I hadn't seen before. Since we have: Tigers, and bears ... Oh my, I wonder if we have any "Lions" essays about. I'll have to look into that. ;) — Ched :  ?  17:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

started: Wiki Lion

BLP Merge?

To check on: Merge Keith Miller with Keith Miller in the 1946–47 Australian cricket season? — Ched :  ?  20:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, both articles are pretty long already, so I think it's alright to keep the two articles separate. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
kk .. I'll consider it
Resolved
.. thanks ;) — Ched :  ?  21:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: BLP cats

It's preferred, yeah, but no big deal. On the main WP:BLPPOTENTIAL page, the {{Potential BLP status}} template counts each section header as a hundred remaining articles. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Added Category:Date of death unknown to those two, will take a look at the other one in a sec. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh, apparently I was wrong... Category:Year of death unknown is the correct one. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Well the correct one is Category:Year of death missing. "Unknown" is if it is really "unknown" i.e. lost through the times and usually is for ancient people. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ched, I would like to ask you to add not only the Category:Living people but also the xxxx births category if possible. If the year of birth is missing to add Category:Year of birth missing (living people). This will save is from double work. Thanks and keep the good work, Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I'll get back at it tomorrow. ;) — Ched :  ?  03:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

"Year" not "date"

Hi. This is a typical confusion. If the year is missing then add "Year of birth missing". "Date of..." is for talk pages. I made a guide in User:Yobot. If you have more questions ask me. Right now I am little busy but I like the job you are doing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

AAHHHHH ... kk .. now I got it. and thx ;) — Ched :  ?  17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Karol Sabath

Looks good as far as I can tell. I made just one minor tweak. And nah, I'm happy to help! :) –Juliancolton | Talk 00:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Descriptive db-templates

Hey Ched. Not here about the message on my talk page. I've been a bit involved in an RFC I started and getting Kelly pool up to GA status. Anyway, I happened to see your note over at the RFC on simplifying the CSD criteria and I just wondered if you were aware of all the intuitively descriptive redirects and subtemplates of the master criteria for each subsections. You see a band, you don't need to type {{db-a7}}, just {{db-band}}. Clubs, db-club, person, db-bio, company/organization db-corp, and there's also db-spam, db-attack, db-empty, db-nocontext, db-web, db-repost, db-nonsense and more. This may all be ho hum, I know stuff to you. I just find them intuitive (despite that familiarity has made me a walking encyclopedia of meaningless subsection numbers), so I had this picture of you in my minds eye hunched over a chart cross-referencing the CSD numbers against your tagging. Actually, since we've never met I actually picture your dog. Sorry, it's what's on your userpage (I suspect, however that you are not, in fact, a newfoundland). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for taking the time to drop me a note. Yep, XfD just isn't my hang-out. SoWhy has been helping me a bit with some of it. I know A7 gets used incorrectly a lot, to me A9 is a little ambiguous, etc. I knew that the db-reasons were available, but I really wasn't up to speed on what they were. I've run into a few things while doing NPP, and usually by the time I figure out the right one (even if I'm using Twinkle - I'd rather look), .. it's usually gone by the time I get back to it. I'd just rather try to fix an article than tag it for deletion. I'd doubt that I had over a dozen CSD's in my 9000+ edits. And some of them were db-author stuff in my own space .. lol. I can relate to the being busy on other things - and the Kelly pool article looks good. A few things there that I hadn't expected in that kind of article. I'm kind of pecking away at a FLC from time to time - but mostly been working in the BLP unCat area. Flagged Revs. and "liberal protection" is coming faster than people think. I'll keep in mind those tips you dropped me, and see if I can put them to use down the road.
The dog and me? .. hmmm .. I guess there could be some similarities. I tend to be a happy, good-natured, loving guy. Kinda slobber all over anyone willing to say hi .. lol. I've gotten a little more gray hair than the dog over the last few years, ... but hey. I wear glasses too .. had 'em since second grade. Old school geek .. lol. Folks that know me might say "He's not as dumb as he looks" .. but perhaps that's a bit subjective. Nope, not from Newfoundland - USA actually. Thanks again for stopping by, and I appreciate the tips. Always good to have friends drop in anytime. ;D — Ched :  ?  22:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Check back on for tweaks

Loreen Rice Lucas — Ched :  ? 

What?

I wanted to open a discussion on the LGBT Gay musicians category, and instead you remove it and then claim I'm "not contributing to the encyclopedia." There's nothing that says I have to edit on the article mainspace in order to be a "contributor." I contribute by cleaning up. Just the same as many others do. I appreciate if you would "expand" on your accusations. Bulldog123 22:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Conservation is already underway at:
I think it best to maintain a centralized discussion there. — Ched :  ?  22:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
You mean conversation? No, I'd like to know in what possible way my edit to the LGBT talk page was "disruptive," since you seem to have cited it as a diff. If you're going to gang up on me without any knowledge of my editing history, and contact buddies to come and comment, I'd like a more detailed explanation. Does this have something to do with personal offense at my comment? Bulldog123 22:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I will have no further comment here - you can view and reply at the link posted above. — Ched :  ?  23:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

eyes 4 BLP

  • Poss Living people and Living people are mutually excluded categories.
  • Add DOB/DOD unknown/missing in talk page only if you think it's important that this articles has it.
  • Add YOB in article page and DOB in talk page if everything is missing and the latter is important.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me get up to speed in this area - it is greatly appreciated. ;) — Ched :  ?  18:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep this in mind as well: "When the year of birth for living individuals has been researched, but the month and day remain missing, please do not use Category:Date of birth missing (living people) before ascertaining the individual's full public prominence." Better avoid adding this category unless there is some reason to do it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
AHHH... glad you said something about that. I'll double-check my recent edits in that, I had just been placing it simply because it didn't exist ... but I think I can see the purpose here now that you mention it. Good point, and something I wasn't doing properly - thanks. ;) — Ched :  ?  22:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Went through my last 5 days of contribs - think I got most of them. — Ched :  ?  01:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

re: ANI post

Well, a block is definitely appropriate, but given I don't do much in the way of blocking, I prefer to see other opinions regarding appropriate length. Some espouse indef, I would likely indef myself since my tolerance levels are low, but perhaps others can give a more level-headed perspective. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 10:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

If you ever see the term COinS tossed about, that is special code in various templates that produces machine-readable metadata. Both citation templates and the PERSONDATA templates use COinS to produce metadata. Essentially, they just fetch information from various fields and format in a hidden way so that automated systems can scrape data from the site: preformatted citations, and preformatted biographic info. Post any questions you want, I'll answer them when I wake up (haven't slept yet, so typical!). — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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MLauba (talk) 20:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

RFA 4 U Reloaded

Seeing the recent decline of new requests (currently only one), you might want to get Pedro to nom you these days. I think you're ready enough to learn anything you do not know already "on the job" (so to speak). Regards SoWhy 08:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I noticed by his contribs and TP message that he seems to be pretty busy IRL at the moment. If I don't see anything by the weekend though, I'll mention to him your thoughts on it. ;). I know I have family coming in the weekend of the 27th, so much later than than next week some time may push things back to July - which is OK too. As always, I'll defer to consensus and community inclinations. We'll see how things shake out over the next couple days. I have to admit, I do appreciate the encouragement though. ;) Thanks SoWhy. — Ched :  ?  13:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Tommorow, I shall do the honours (and tomorrow is UTC so 8:00 am). Pedro :  Chat 
And I can't spell tomorrow consistently either ..... be warned! Pedro :  Chat  22:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL .. OK. I'll do the best I can. ;) — Ched :  ?  22:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Preparing now. Pedro :  Chat  22:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Yay! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 23:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Some shameless thankspam!

User:Colds7ream/RfA

Congratulations, I'm glad it worked out so well for you! ;) — Ched :  ?  14:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

That article at DYK...

In response to this, I think it's notable based on WP:GNG. I had my doubts at first but Kotaku is a well-respected online news source for games and PopMatters meets the requirements for a WP:RS. Some of the other sources are a bit suspect (an editorial board of 4 mates, who don't let anyone else write for their blog!). I don't think you were suggesting you'd nom' it to AfD but I would expect it to be kept. Hopefully we can let the conversation die and that will be it, the issue isn't one of censorship but appropriateness but some editors don't seem to be able to see that, and the consensus is clearly against its inclusion in DYK. Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I'm not one to go around wanting to delete things Bigger. I was just saying that the sources aren't exactly WSJ, NY Times, Washington Post kind of resources. In over 10,000 edits, I'd be surprised if I nomed more than 2 or 3 for XfD anything, or tagged more than maybe a dozen articles for CSD (maybe even as low as half-dozen). And I do some NPP stuff and BLP unCat, so I do run across my share of less than perfect articles. I'd rather fix and build than just delete. Nope, not going to nom it. I may offer my opinion at an XfD discussion on how I feel something meets our criteria here, but I'm not a "deleter" at heart. Sometimes I don't always agree with consensus, but I always try to abide by it, and recognize it when I see it. ;) ... Cheers. — Ched :  ?  14:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Ha ha, I've tried a bit of NPP but get immediately sucked in to trying to improve the first article I came across. I once spent an hour trying to source info for an article, only to find it was blatant self-promotion (book source was printed by the company, etc..) and AfD'ed it, only to realise I should have prodded it. The people who bothered to vote didn't bother to look properly at my arguments and none of the original, COI'd editors, were around! Plus ca change, for the French reading this! Bon chance, Bigger digger (talk) 00:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Clean up on Aisle 12 - your RFA nom

Done - needs answers, signature and transclusion..... Good luck. Pedro :  Chat  23:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
[luz]

. See my edit summary .... Pedro :  Chat  23:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL .. np. I'll get to work on the answers now. ;)— Ched :  ?  23:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Cool - I'm off to get some sleep (driven 500 miles today so rather tired) - good luck :) Pedro :  Chat  23:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You can transclude to the main page whenever you are ready to go live. It isn't necessary to wait for anyone. Just drop a note on Pedro's talk to make sure he's aware. If you want me to write something, I will, but I'm terrible at such things. I'm really only capable of Q&A stuff :) In any case, take as long as you need/want, there is no deadline, har har har. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 03:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Okie dokie .. soup's on! ;) — Ched :  ?  03:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Best of luck! I know we've crossed articles *somewhere*, I just don't know where. Mainly I wanted to be one of the non-Signature Cabal comments to this thread. tedder (talk) 04:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL ... Thanks Tedder. Admin or not, I look forward to working with you in the future too. ;) — Ched :  ?  04:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
ps ... you could always join the AGF Cabal... lulz. — Ched :  ?  04:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey! What are you saying about me? You're assuming that I use bad faith? I see that as nothing short of an attack, sir.</humor> Okay, sorry, couldn't resist. Relax, and hopefully your RFA will continue to be positive. tedder (talk) 04:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
*smiles* ... thanks Tedder, I admit to a bit of the nerves here ... that helps. You're ok buddy! ;) — Ched :  ?  04:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Just saw you went for it. Best of luck, although I doubt you need it. Seems to have started quite smoothly. :-) Regards SoWhy 09:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Huh. I actually did think you were already a sysop. Pleasant surprise. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I remember the rules. Rule #1: EVula is always right. Rule #2: If in doubt, see rule number 1. I guess I'm just going to have to become one now ;). — Ched :  ?  16:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Lemme just go close your RfA per WP:EVULA. I'm sure that won't cause drama at all. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL ... hey, works for me ;) — Ched :  ?  16:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ohai Ched. I think I told you my thoughts about this on the phone...but anyway, best of luck. :) (I'll chat to you more on the phone later) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 08:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Steve, I'm just glad everybody is OK. Some things in real life are more important than a website - even this one. Not sure what I'll need to change over for the overseas dialing, but I'll look into it Monday. I see I've got a couple things to answer, and then I've got a lot of running to do today, but I'll try to get back to you (and the 'pedia) by late afternoon. Cheers ;) — Ched :  ?  10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Best wishes for your RFA...Petro, Btw I have a naughty question for you at the RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 13:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Tinu. Naughty questions? .. hmmm ... that could be fun. I don't think we're allowed to make Pedro blush though. ;) — Ched :  ?  14:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh - commented at the RFA.... :) Pedro :  Chat  14:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Arguments

Hi Ched.

"betraying my teacher" - hah! I'd be terribly disappointed if you didn't argue your case as best you can :-)

Cheers.  Chzz  ►  11:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Chzz. Well, I think you make some very good points, but I just couldn't see the end result as the best possible scenario. I know we've agreed on 99% of our previous collaborations, so I just kinda felt bad that we didn't this time. But, I'm looking forward to the next 99. ;) — Ched :  ?  16:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
My point is, we're not here to judge what is a 'good' or a 'bad' topic. I'm a strong believer in freedom of speech, and I don't like to see peoples personal perceptions of right and wrong creeping in - which is the way I perceive what has happened there; it's censorship by stealth; there is no policy to prevent it appearing on the front-page simply because of the word, and yet that appears to be what has happened. Whether the article is good or bad is another matter entirely. The best possible scenario, as far as I am concerned, would be for Wikipedia to demonstrate that we don't make any kind of judgments as to what is morally correct, we merely report encyclopaedic facts in a totally neutral manner, regardless of the subject matter. Unfortunately, in this case, as with others, this doesn't appear to be possible.  Chzz  ►  23:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
And it is a good and valid point. I had to read Orwells Nineteen Eighty-Four years ago in high-school, and it's message is something I've carried with me the rest of my life. Censorship frightens the dickens out of me, but I had to go with what I believed was right for the 'pedia on that one. Cheers — Ched :  ?  10:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hey Ched. Who gets emails sent to webmaster [at] web-friend [dot] com? لennavecia 13:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Just me. I'm the only one that ever did anything with the site, but I haven't done anything with it for years. The one I sent you is the main one I use cause I get 3-5000 a day at web-friend.com, and I have a very heavy spam filter on it. If you sent something there I may have deleted, but I check through it. — Ched :  ?  19:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

My bad

Ohai...remember how I was supposed to work on 24 articles? I kinda got stuck fixing up a BLP nightmare at Bob Allen...sorry about that :) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 00:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No problems, and yep - those BLP things do seem to crop up and overshadow some of the "fun" stuff sometimes. I had to answer a couple more question on the RfA myself, and have been trying to spend some time with my brother while he's here as well. (he lives about 1200 -1500 miles away, so we don't see each other often. Maybe tomorrow night, if you leave me a link or two, I can look over some stuff. If I can make any improvements, I'll try, then you can tweak when you have the chance. — Ched :  ?  02:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
You have mail :) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 02:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll check it out here shortly. ;) — Ched :  ?  14:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD

I've just nominated Beth Smith for deletion. Since you worked on it I am letting you know. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow ... cool, thank you Steve. I had never really looked at it from the notability aspect, only from the unreferenced contentious material (BLP) info end of it. If I get time, I'll take a look and weigh in at the AfD. Thanks again for letting me know. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  15:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Cabal zone

You accidentally edited in a cabal zone. I have reveresed your edits. Next infraction, we will need to start putting a lien on your property ;) (j/k) -- Avi (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

<* smiles *> infraction duly noted sir, and the infraction will not happen again. ;) (Ched heads for the coin jar to pay off the lien) — Ched :  ?  02:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that. Takes balls for this noob to play Bureaucrat. His RfA is going well so he must be getting an inflated ego already. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I simply didn't see the sign ;) — Ched :  ?  11:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

*Twiddles thumbs*

Where's a crat when you need one? - Dank (push to talk) 23:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

LMFAO ... did I have my web-cam on again? ... sigh .. busted. ;) — Ched :  ?  23:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations :)

Yeah...the RFA isn't closed yet, but you've passed. Congrats (and answer your phone >_>). Here's your shirt :) I know you'll do us proud. Best of luck, Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 23:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, all you get after passing RFA is a mop and a crappy T-shirt. But hey, adminship is not a trophy :) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 23:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Congrats indeed -- you're an administrator. Happy editing — Dan | talk 01:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Dan, and thank you Steve (even if it was a tad premature ;)). Apologies for the delay in responding, I ran out to get a bite to eat, and relax a bit. Not sure why after 6 1/2 days all of a sudden with a couple hours to go, I started feeling anxious - but I will do my best ... so in the spirit of da wiki
Congrats, it's well deserved.--Giants27 (c|s) 02:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Giants27, I honestly do appreciate the trust and support. ;) — Ched :  ?  02:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Thank you Mark, and thank you for the kind and encouraging words of support at the RfA. I will be cautious before doing anything that would require the tools. Best to you and yours — Ched :  ?  17:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on your successful RFA ! -- Tinu Cherian - 04:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Tinu! And thank you for your support. I'll do my best to never betray that trust. — Ched :  ?  05:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

re-archive RFA discussion

Ched, before you break out the wine and cheese, can you (re)close this discussion? I commented out your original archive tags, and I don't want to re-enable them and change the date, as it sort of implies that I'm changing your content. tedder (talk) 01:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Tedder, great attention to detail! I don't think it's anything to worry about though. Discussions get archived after a thread isn't responded to in a certain amount of time. It will gradually work its way to the top of the page, and then disappear into the archives of WT:RFA. Nothing to worry about. And thank you for your support and encouragement over the last few days. It's appreciated more than you probably realize. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep, I'm fine with that, but wanted to drop a note your way since you'd archived it once already. Either way is fine. See you around. tedder (talk) 01:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's try that again

Your adminship, gift, was too big, here you go.

<* smiles *> Thank you Abce2, I'll try to put it to good use. — Ched :  ?  01:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Sure ... coax me into doing something stupid huh? ... lol. I mentioned to Law about blocking some guy named "Jimbo", and he tells me to go for it! .. geesh ... no mercy for the newly anointed huh? Seriously though Julian, thank you, thank you for everything. You've shown me by example that it can be good to speak up - and I appreciate that. — Ched :  ?  04:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I could have sworn you were British. I guess I mixed you up with S Marshall. They eat Necco wafers where you are? Weird! Congrats again. Admin fo' life! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, Ched! I'm glad to see that it went so well. I've been offline a lot lately. Of course major problems with my internet connection might have a lot to do with that! I called them an hour ago and they agree to give me a free month. That'll help take away a bunch of the sting. Royalbroil 22:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks RB. Actually I've been off-line more than usual as well. My CERT team's been activated a few times over the last few days due to some very nasty weather as well. Power and phone lines down a LOT. Internet has been on an up-down cycle for several days now as well. Don't know if we'd get luck enough to get a free month, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask. — Ched :  ?  01:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem

Been kinda off the map today, so I come back to find you got the bit! Congrats! Bring on the questions! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Really, just read Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, which is a bunch of legal mumbo for "this work can be freely shared and modified as long as the original and subsequent author(s) are attributed in their preferred manner, and must be accompanied by this same license." CC is less restrictive than GFDL. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Another One

For the hall of fame shame :) Well done. Any questions hit me up. Pedro :  Chat  18:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Lazy

You've been an admin a whole day and you only managed to delete one redirect? So..uh, I decided that this deserves an award. :)


The Lazy Admin Barnstar
For slacking off on the job, basically :) I do hope you realise that I am being gravely serious about all of this. Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 21:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL .. no rest for the weary lazy eh? It's Huntster I tell ya ... he made me not do it ...., oh - wait - no ... I guess that's Pedro that told me .. "If in doubt .. don't" ... lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

NASCAR pics

I think I told you that one of my pics got me NASCAR garage & pit passes to this weekend's Nationwide Series race at the Milwaukee Mile. I'll email you more about that off-wiki. Lots of opportunities for driver pics... I'm going through the entry list to see who needs to be photographed for the Wiki. There's a undercard for an IndyCar support series with Derek Daly's son in. So don't expect to hear much from me for a few days. Feel free to let me know with admin questions of course. Rain is moving in right now and it'll kill my connection. Need to cut the message short. Royalbroil 22:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Very cool ... well, the race, not the rain and lost connection. I didn't realize that was this weekend. Have a great time, I'll check my email, and I'll talk with ya when you get back. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Good luck!

Good luck with the tools. I trust you'll use them well. I do have concerns about your spelling capabilities, though. :) – (iMatthew • talk) at 01:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

lulz .. I was kinda hoping that would squeak by un-noticed. Thank you for the good wishes. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
What was the trout for? And I don't know if I even have an account on commons, so I can't really help you much there. Did you send that to the wrong person? :P – (iMatthew • talk) at 11:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that was about IRC, and he didn't sign it. :P – (iMatthew • talk) at 17:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Ahhh ... OK ... I haven't been on IRC in a couple weeks. My mIRC proggie expired, and I haven't gotten anything else yet. ;\ — Ched :  ?  17:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

What's going on?

Why are you editing your closed RfA, and striking out votes?

It's closed, and as the note at the bottom says should not be modified. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

OMG .. Thank you soooo much Malleus ... I was copying over to write thank you notes ... and was striking in wrong place ...THANK YOU! — Ched :  ?  02:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting worried, Ched... – (iMatthew • talk) at 02:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Geesh .. at the rate I'm going ... I'll be blocking myself before long! — Ched :  ?  02:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
No harm done. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 03:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I know we don't always agree on everything - but you are a damn fine Wikipedian, and a hell of a good editor Malleus! I do appreciate the help, and I do admire your work here! On a side note, I think you'll be pleased (if not downright surprised) to find I have no intension of being any part of a crusade. I never thought of CIV as an excuse to "block" just because someone calls an idiot an idiot, or that a "little shit" comment was something to make a big deal out of. I might drop a talk page message of "Hey .. be nice" here and there, if I think someone is being overly harsh ... but that's not something I'd ever want to use the tools for. Thanks again for the quick heads up .. you could have easily posted to a wider audience and embarrassed the crap out of me - I appreciate that. ;-) — Ched :  ?  03:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

So, it's too late to change my vote? Can I at least strike it? Or has Ched already done that for me? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd imagine this is an albatross I'll wear for a while ... lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  03:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol, interesting manoeuver there! You know, some people delete the main page, some people edit their RfAs so it looks like they lost. But no, only a bureaucrat can change the bit. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Some peoples kids eh? ... I seem to recall something about a "flamethrower" ..... lol ;) — Ched :  ?  04:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thank you

You're welcome, I'm happy you got the bucket and mop, and I wish you well with them. As I may have said in the RFA, I trust you will use them wisely, and, as I may not have said, do not be dismayed by cries of admin abuse. You have probably seen these yourself in ANI, and how most of the time, they never get really that far, as they are baseless. I trust the same thing will happen to you at some point in the future, should you run into a user who disagrees with you or some such. As to the sign, it is quite funny, it's I love signs like that.. I have to ask what it was that it meant, assuming of course that you yourself asked(at least here's hoping you did). Anyway, I realize I already did above, but again, good luck.— Dædαlus Contribs 17:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, it's strange, one would think something like that would cross one's mind in thinking of the picture's origins, but alas, it had not occurred to me. Thank you for the explanation of the origin. It makes slightly more sense now, heh.— Dædαlus Contribs 18:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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Drork on Hummus

"Refactor"? Is that the new word for "delete"? It was rather indiscriminate, too.... --macrakis (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually it's more equatable to "editing" than "deleting". (see: Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages). I agree, the bulk of the edit was to delete other editors postings, but he also edited "view" to "viem" in the User:Supreme Deliciousness post (I'm not sure what that was supposed to convey). I'm not familiar with Drork, so I always attempt the politest reminder first. Hopefully the situation can be worked out without anymore blocks or bans, but I do realize that it is a volatile subject matter. — Ched :  ?  02:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Listas

I just learned that you are involved in adding the listas parameter from your post on Magioladitis' talk page. Welcome to the madness!

However, to your question about the listas value for Talk:Mao Gao-wen, and generalizing a little, the value for {{DEFAULTSORT}} on Mao Gao-wen is "Mao, Gao-wen" because in nearly all names of persons from continental northeast Asia the family name (aka "surname") comes first. Mr. Mao's listas should be "Mao, Gao-wen" although "Mao, Gaowen" would also be correct.

There are a few articles regarding naming conventions and I once found a page that listed all of them. A very rough rule of thumb is that Korean, Chinese and Arabic names should be listed as the page name but need to have a listas value and a {{DEFAULTSORT}} value to prevent a bot from setting those values to something abominable.

Please devote a small amount of your editing time each day to add a listas value to the pages in Category:Biography articles without listas parameter. If you want some pointers in how to determine the correct value, ask me and I will try to teach you all I know.

Happy editing!

JimCubb (talk) 05:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Jim, thanks for the links and the tips. I'll go through them in a little more detail tomorrow when I'm not so beat. LOL at the "Welcome to the madness"... I think that's the case with Wikipedia in general ... lol. I got started doing some BLP unCat stuff, and have been picking up little bits and pieces of information along the way. Sometimes it feels like quicksand, and I'm getting pulled in deeper and deeper - but I do love the learning experience! Magio has been extremely helpful in guiding me in the right directions on much of this, so I do tend to pester him with a lot of questions. I'll take a look at the "bio w/o listas" cat, and see if I can chip in there from time to time as well. Nice meeting you, and I'll likely be dropping by your talk page shortly with more questions. Thanks again. — Ched :  ?  05:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

By and large I have found Wikipedians to be earnest, intelligent and willing to learn what they can to avoid making mistakes or stop making the mistakes when such are found. There is one who promised to go back through his contribution list and correct his past mistakes. There are a few who have trouble grasping concepts or reading with comprehension and those are the ones who give the rest a bad name.

Anyway, as you can see by the talk page of the category, Category:Biography articles without listas parameter was huge. It is not yet small, although less than 10% of its peak size, and the remaining pages are the ones that need to be fixed by people like you and me, people who are willing to manually open the talk page and the article page and do some analysis to determine the correct value to apply. The time of the usefulness of the bots is over.

The work is often challenging. Sometimes the work is rewarding in a perverse sort of way. (There was a Chinese scientist whose name's first and third syllables could have been family names. There was no sort value on the article page. I found, buried in the penultimate paragraph, his young son's name, even though blp frowns on naming minor children. There was the family name!)

JimCubb (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. I used to be active in various chat rooms, message boards, etc., but drifted away from much of it due so much of the "flame war" type of things. I've found that here, most people, regardless of age, are mature, hard working, and intent on improving the idea of free information. I will certainly take a look at the Cat:Bio w/o listas over the next few days - and try to lend a hand. I don't mind the "by hand" stuff at all, in fact: I tried huggle early on, but it looked like it would be too easy (for me) to make mistakes, so I never really adopted it. I agree that bots can be limited, but I've been amazed at how advanced some can be too. I found that one (YoBot) was able to go through and fix my "Living People" cats to the proper "Living people" (case issue). Anyway, I look forward to working with you. ;) — Ched :  ?  18:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Churchill's "black dog"? Sorry, couldn't resist the association. Thanks for your interest in AdminReview. It's been dormant for months during the Date Delinking ArbCom debacle. I'm thinking about how to reactivate it; I think community approval is required first.

On incivility, I think the concept is essential on WP, but it is abused in some cases (e.g., = "I don't like your straight talking"). Tony (talk) 09:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm .. hadn't even thought of "Churchill" concept, but as I understand it - it does fit! Yes, I agree, some admins are eager to block on the sight of "straight talking", but mostly I think the proper intent is there - to keep disruption to a minimum - and, to keep new users from being offended and being chased off. It appears to me anyway, that the more experienced administrators seem to work a little harder to "communicate", rather than to just "block on sight". I think there is a huge difference between being "civil" and being "nice" - and I think a few folks tend to try to equate the two. I also think that often familiarity will breed laziness - and sometimes the lack of "niceties" are perceived as civility issues when they shouldn't be. Anyway, regardless of my personal ramblings, I agree - WP:CIV is an important policy, and I agree that is often abused by those who enforce it too liberally. Hopefully, we can get to a 99% ratio of "warn and communicate", and a 1% "block". Hey, I can dream can't I? ... ;) — Ched :  ?  18:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Need admin help to remove some images I have added.

Hello Ched!

I'm sorry to bug you about this, but I seem to have made a little mistake (I'm new here). In an effort to consolidate my images into one location, I re-uploaded images that I had already contributed to Wikipedia onto the Wikimedia Commons. Since doing that, the five images that have been "duplicated" all show a possibly unfree image warning. And, they are mine, so obviously that isn't what I want to be there.

First, here is a list of the images that I now have this issue with: Upper eyelid blepharoplasty incision Fat removal using cannula during tumescent liposuction Exposing lower lateral cartilage during rhinoplasty Mid facelift (rhytidectomy) upper incision Mid facelift (rhytidectomy) lower incision

Please advise on the proper way to handle this problem. I would really like to keep all my images on the Commons from now on. And I do have these five images with exactly the same file names and descriptions there. So would that mean that upon these five being deleted from Wikipedia, that the articles referencing them would fall back to the files on the Commons? Anyway, I appreciate your help. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paravis (talk • contribs) 17:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably your quickest solution is to tag the images for deletion on commons. An en-Wikipedia admin doesn't automatically have administrative rights on Commons. I do know of one, and will drop him a note (or you can: User:Royalbroil), but you'll likely not catch him until Monday evening. A lot of his weekend time is spent doing personal kind of stuff and such. Sorry I can't just go delete them for you, but I don't have that capability. — Ched :  ?  18:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Ahhh ... OK, I see - they are dups of what is on commons. OK, if there is no other history, I'll delete as db-author. Then check with SoWhy to make sure I did it right. — Ched :  ?  18:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done .. but checking that I did it right. — Ched :  ?  18:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Ched! You are a rockstar :). Paravis (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem, I also notified a Commons admin. of this thread. He may contact you at some point. ([User:Royalbroil]) that I mentioned above. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  19:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
It looks like all issues were addressed before I got here. The website specifies the license as Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 Unported, which is compatible with Wikimedia Commons and the English Wikipedia licensing requirements for images. The (local) images on the English Wikipedia have been speedy deleted per the author's request and the Commons images are now showing through. A very thorough job by everyone involved! You both are rockstars! Thank you, Paravis, for your images of something that an average person can't obtain! Royalbroil 23:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

UNIX

Hey ched...have you ever done UNIX? Yeah....I have a test this morning (in like 4 hours) and I'm stuck. (I'd have asked on irc, but you're not there hint hint) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 18:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I was a network admin. for a fairly large scale UNIX system, but it was all Banyan Vines interface. (muser), etc. I never really worked much on the "pure" side of UNIX other than end-user. (early e-mail and ftp stuff at school in the 80's. I doubt I could pass any kind of test on it to be honest. Yea, my mIRC failed (timed out), and I haven't gotten a new client yet (or torrented anything either). I'll look at getting back into that some time early in July. Also, I did go through some of the 24 stuff, but didn't find any broken or 404 links - but I'll keep looking. Good luck on the test. ;) — Ched :  ?  18:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Chzz

You're too late mate. He just left on extended wikibreak, and the last one lasted a couple of months. A (hopefully temporary) loss to the community, I think you'll agree. - Jarry1250 (t, c, rfa) 18:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

OH ... didn't realize that. Hope it's not a long break, but I hope he's enjoying some relaxation and fun. Thanks for the heads up, and yep, I agree - great editor, hope he comes back soon. — Ched :  ?  19:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion and yet still blue!

I figured this out about 2 weeks ago when I was deleting images that were transferred to Commons. You did delete the image file off en.wiki, but since the file name is the same on Commons, it will stay blue unless deleted from there as well. That's my theory anyway. Law type! snype? 21:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me know if you guys need a map and a compass. Maybe some matches to start a fire? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
It's so easy even a CoM can do it? Law type! snype? 23:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Law, you did a great job with the snickers salad photo, but I'm going to have to ask you and Ched to refrain from adding any homemade shots to my latest masterpiece: food and sexuality. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Whoaaaa.... food and sex? ... could we ask for anything more? CoM - you have my FULL attention! I might be old, but I ain't THAT old ... lol. — Ched :  ?  01:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't take the photo of the salad. The last thing I took was --> . Talk to Iri if you are going to mix eating and fornication. Law type! snype? 01:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL .. now how did that fall out of my wallet? ...Iri? .. ahhh ... ehhhh ... I'm kinda just back to neutral on that one. I kinda screwed up big time a while back, and I'm not so sure I'd be anxious to just jump in to that kind of conversation right away. I'm sorta hoping that I can get her to help me increase my writing skills - so maybe after she knows me a bit I could go for a couple smiles. You folks tell her I'm not such a bad guy, and if she'll buy that - we'll go from there. I do love the humor on her talk page though!!! Hope I can be a part of it some day. — Ched :  ?  02:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I know who took the picture of the snickers salad that he made. It tasted G-R-E-A-T! Royalbroil 02:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL ... I figure Xaviera Hollander would be proud of us! ... Of course then again, I figure that any time now one of about a dozen folks will be dropping in to tell us to "get back to work" ... lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  02:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
You're an admin. We don't contribute shit anymore. We just act like a bunch of foppish royalty - sitting around discussing bureaucracy and other things that nobody cares about. We really don't have to abide by civility anymore, and since nobody expects us to lower ourselves to touch an article, save for protection purposes, we can afford to do exactly what we are doing at this moment. Law type! snype? 02:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
LMFAO ... oh geesh am I gonna catch hell from Huntster, Pedro, and Tiptoey for tonight! (not to mention if Lara would catch me screwing around like this!) ... ;) — Ched :  ?  02:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

←Hey - I know, ... we'll blame it on CoM ... why not, everybody else blames her for everything gone wrong ... lol. — Ched :  ?  02:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

No kidding. He should have his own table at ANI. Law type! snype? 03:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
What's going on in this photo [1]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

Please review Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR#Nationwide_driver.27s_images_-_HELP_NEEDED! Royalbroil 00:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do. — Ched :  ?  01:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Check out my flickr photostream now. You should be able to see some great pics since you're my flickr friend. Royalbroil 03:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Uncategorized biographies of living people/BLPPotential

Hi. I added some information in Wikipedia:Uncategorized biographies of living people/BLPPotential. It's about how to deal with articles of the second block. I think you would find it interesting. Have a nice day. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Great! I just glanced over them, but I will definitely add the info to my skill set. Good stuff there .. thank you Magio, much appreciated. — Ched :  ?  14:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Ping

Hi Ched - gave a quick reply on my talkpage. Had my last exam today so I'll have a little more free time now! --Fir0002 10:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

replied — Ched :  ? 

Ohai

Just thought I'd let you know that over the next two weeks, my free time will be...more free? I'll have some time to edit again, but it will really be only for two weeks, then I'll be back to my shadowy self :). In celebration of this, and because I've been the same sig design since August 08, I've made a new sig. :) Steve Crossin The clock is ticking.... 09:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Steve, I do like the new font for the sig. Sorry I'm so spotty on my contribs at the moment, but after this coming weekend I should be back to a more regular pattern. The gold color is a tad hard to see in default skin, but better than a pale yellow - all in all - I like the change. — Ched :  ?  16:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats on adminship

Hi Ched! I haven't checked your page for so long, I didn't even notice you became an admin! Congratulations again. I wish I had voiced my support on your RfA. Thanks again for helping me with Norton Internet Security; I see you mention it on your RfA. TechOutsider (talk) 11:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Tech. Good to see you back around! Yep, I thought it was great what you did with NIS - and I do try to give credit where it is due. I have it watchlisted, so if you go for FA, I'll certainly be cheering you on! — Ched :  ?  16:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Usefulness

Chedsky, would you or one of your illustrious fellow admins help me move User:ChildofMidnight/Devendra Prabhudesai to Devendra Prabhudesai over the redirect? I would post my request to the request page, but it seems to be rather backlogged and complicated, and I've already been told I'm "completely clueless" once today. Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, after checking the history of the redirect, I deleted it .. then moved the article. I'll check with WP:REPAIR folks, to see if any additional history needs to be copied here. I also added the BLPBio tag to talk page, with living=yes, and the listas. We may need to check to see if it's the proper "listas". Do you want the redirect from your userspace left behind? ... or would you like me to delete that as well? — Ched :  ?  20:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hio Ched / CoM - the move was fine but you need to delete the cross namespace redirect that it leaves (I've done that). Hope that helps! Pedro :  Chat  20:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Cool ... I've got guardian angels ... ;). Thank you Pedro! — Ched :  ?  20:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Guardian Angels...? Talk Page Stalkers more like! Pedro :  Chat  21:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you gents. The sum of all human knowledge is a little more complete now on the world of Indian cricket. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

NP CoM, always glad to help one of our most valuable editors. — Ched :  ?  02:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Pedro

I know that it is not always "knowing what to say", but "knowing when not to say it". But, OH MY .. what a royal mess we have in this ANI thread. To be perfectly frank, I would support any admin who issued "unblocks" all the way around. I think this is a situation where discussion is the better venue. Unfortunately, I don't believe that I have the tenure or experience to unilaterally undertake such an action. CoM, I'd ask you to please remain calm. You have wonderful insight, and I can certainly understand your frustration, and even anger. But ... retaliation doesn't work well - you have friends, you have supporters - please allow them to work through the situation. — Ched :  ?  02:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Chedsky, don't sweat the little stuff. I edit here because of the enjoyment I get from collaborating with good people like you. I don't need or expect my friends to stick up for me or to take action on my behalf. If they are to be involved at all in admin related affairs that concern me, I want them to use restraint and to be as fair and impartial as possible without taking direct action, because that's what integrity and good judgment requires. I know that's not how others behave, and that there are packs here, but that's not the right way to go about things and it's not how I want my business handled.
I'm a big boy, and while I value Wikipedia as an important resource and take it seriously, my life does not revolve around it. If doing the right thing and standing up to bullies, censors, and other abusers is incompatible with working here, then so be it. I can take my lumps, and I don't need anyone to take any for me or because of me. I'm happy to share the good times and the camaraderie, and I expect you to remain in good cheer and to be good friend come thick or thin. Aside from that, try not to fuck up anything too badly with your noob admin "skills". Cheers buddy. Stay out of trouble! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words CoM. To be honest, I wish I had more time at the moment to spend on WP. I'd like to find a kind and gentle way to encourage you to continue with your efforts, and yet find a way to reduce the tensions and inevitable responses which lead to some uncertainties. I would truly hate to see any of the current situations lead to a path where you felt compelled to "respond in kind" to various items and editors, which would influence other editors to gather a negative impression of your work here. Sometimes it's a human instinctive reaction to "push back" when one is being pushed; I hope that future events do not work out that way. Enjoy your time at the keyboard - if you feel anger and resentment creeping into your emotions, please resist the urge to respond to things in a way that would reflect negatively on either yourself, or other editors. All bad things will rise to the top in time, and be skimmed from the deep pool of resources we have here I think. I'll do my very best to use the couple extra tools wisely, and I thank you for your advice and encouragement. Echoing your own words: "[You] Stay out of trouble [too]!" ... lol. — Ched :  ?  13:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Righto. Some very sage advice in that statement, and I'll try to take it to heart. I had also wanted to note that I'm definitely not "one of our most valuable contributors", but I do kick out some entertaining nonsense now and again. :) Be good Ched. Congrats again on your adminship for life. I hope recent events haven't dampened your enthusiasm. Encouragement for those having difficulties is always welcome, and I'm very glad to have you as a co-editor, and admin, and a friend. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


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