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Archive of User talk:Dank/Mar

Speedy deletion notes (March); click to "show"

These are messages for every speedy deletion I declined in March. I left talkback notices for most of the taggers. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Bcs2011/Purple States, LLC

Now for the particular case: what policy justifies speedy-deleting User:Bcs2011/Purple States, LLC?

Spam. Especially given that it's essentially identical to User:Bcs2011/Purple States LLC. Not so difficult question to answer, really, given the prsence of the {{db-spam}} tag. --Calton | Talk 02:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Vote so far is 6-0 at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Bcs2011/Purple States, LLC against deleting ... much less speedy deleting. The votes on similar questions in two threads at WT:UP also seem to run the same way. I'm grateful that you're willing to hunt down and tag possible db-spam in userpages, as long as you'll let me follow what seems at the moment to be policy and nearly unanimous opinion in accepting or declining the speedies. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Dr Michael O'Connor

Hi Dan, I was just in the process of removing the speedy deletion tag from this article but when I came to save it I found that you had deleted it. I can't see any promotional content here at all - the article simply presents information in a neutral manner. Are you really sure that it's blatant advertising? It was very likely written by someone connected to the subject, and the claimed notability has to be substantiated, but neither of these is a reason for speedy deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I admit that that's been the hardest judgment call today, and it wouldn't bother me to undelete it ... in fact, if I can be convinced that there's support for that, I'd insist on it. There are just some businesses in the "herbal viagra" category that just provoke extreme skepticism in me. This guy's claim to fame is writing books like "The Leader Within: Learning Enough About Yourself to Lead Others". When someone claims to be an expert in self-promotion, my alarm bells go off. Another relevant factor: although I'm not a deletionist, at CSD or AFD, once I make the decision that something sounds promotional, I delete it just as fast as I delete attack pages or copyvios, on the theory that we're only encouraging the spammers if we leave such pages up long enough to get indexed by the search engines. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I share your seeming dislike of the whole field in which this guy operates (largely because I've had to sit through far too many puke-inducing presentations by such people in my working career), but he would seem to have a smidgen of notability [1], and the article author managed to avoid the peacocking that we usually get with such subjects. Do with this what you will - I won't lose any sleep either way. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I undeleted and took it to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


I generally like to run articles like this one by WT:INDIA before deleting, and I've done so. Diff: - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. I will keep an eye on the article and the talk page. Best regards, Crowsnest (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi Onion, I don't think your speedy tag was wrong, and you may know something I don't know, but I decided to downgrade this one to AfD; see User_talk:Deaguk#AfD_nomination_of_De_Agostini_UK. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The article has no sources and sounds promotional to me. I have no issues with taking a speedy delete to a deletion discussion. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Trapeze Networks

See User_talk:Maxhead23#FYI_conflict_of_interest_guideline. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Families Anonymous

The tone isn't great, but competent people are working on the article. They seem to have a large number of local groups. I don't think it would hurt to take it to AfD, but I don't want to speedy it. Btw, always let the main author (if there is one) know if you're nominating their article for speedy deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Total judgment call, but I'm AfD'ing rather than db-spamming this one. db-inc doesn't fit. Please feel free to weigh in, especially if you poked around looking for notability. It's a potentially significant technology by one of the major producers, but I couldn't quickly find suitable sources. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I was iffy on the speedy, but went bold and did it anyway since it hadn't been released yet. I'll weigh in on the AfD in a while. Thanks for letting me know! --132 20:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

American College of Pediatricians

FYI: The prod has been removed. Aleta Sing 03:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American College of Pediatricians -Aleta Sing 04:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Taking this out of the db-spam speedy deletion queue since it involves a school program. Obviously, schools can be as self-promotional as any company and some school projects should be deleted as spam; other school projects should be merged, and others have independent notability. I believe there's consensus for 5-day discussion instead of speedy deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It's not quite the boilerplate brochure now that it was when I tagged it db-spam. But there appears to be COI there too, as that account has only ever edited that page and the page of one of the course leaders. That can all be fixed though.  :-) MuffledThud (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, hang on. I was talking about UMAUD Environment and Natural Resources studies, but you're talking about UMAUD. There were two copies posted of the same article, by the same author: UMAUD is AFD'd, but its fork, UMAUD Environment and Natural Resources studies, is not. If I redirect UMAUD Environment and Natural Resources studies to UMAUD, it will lose its recent de-spamifying efforts. I could try synching the changes over, from former to latter. That doesn't sound quite right on the process side though. How do you think we should fix this? MuffledThud (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Since they've done work on the second article but not on the first, I'm proposing at the first AfD that we speedy that article and AfD the second. The same contributor has also created an article about the professor who is acting as project director; perhaps some of the content could be merged there? I agree with you that we have to think about the process side, but since the first article is more or less a copy of the original version of the first, I don't think any real harm is done by a speedy, as long as we let the creator know what we're doing. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Foreign workers in Kuwait

U.S. federal govt text is all public domain, so no copyvio; declining speedy deletion, adding {{StateDept}}, taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sudbury Community Foundation

A judgment call, but I prefer not to db-spam nonprofit organizations where I think there's a chance of notability in cases where I think we're likely to get a bite either from a deletion sort cat (see the AfD if you don't know what that means) or from a wikiproject, so I'm declining the speedy, notifying WP:Canada, and taking it to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
Bringing Sudbury Community Foundation to AfD and posting on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board rather than speedy deleting is a prime example of the little things one can do to improve Wikipedia, and for that I award you a little barnstar.--kelapstick (talk) 04:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Cue fingerclapping! Thanks! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
P.S. It's so cute! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Toxic Waste (confectionery)

Declining db-spam since the article has been around a couple of years; Google hits suggest the candy might have entered popular culture sufficiently, but I can't tell. Taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yurihonjo hinakaido

I'm really out of my element here, but this doesn't feel spammy to me. Taking to AfD to address notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

well, as the author of this, you should consider that there is barely any other information on this area in the wikipedia and that this event is set to grow in the coming years to become a major tourist attraction in the area. I decided to include it because it is cultural, historical and also unique.Chrissato (talk) 14:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)chrissato

Okay, I'll copy this comment to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yurihonjo hinakaido, the page where people will discuss for 5 days whether to delete the article or not; I don't participate in that discussion, usually. At the moment, it looks they want to keep it, but the article needs some work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yellow Springs Kids Playhouse

Not overly promotional, but notability is in question. Removing from db-spam, taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

National Association of Retail Shipping Centers

I prefer not to speedy for db-spam when an article has been around for this long; also when it's at AfD. I'll add some links to the AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Declining speedy as db-spam. Article has been around for a while, edited by several admins, 3 references from reliable sources. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I marked it as spam because it had been tagged as 'advert'. I guess whoever marked it can put an afd on it if they're bothered. No problems, thanks. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Lauten Audio

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around for 2 years, admins have worked on it, lots of Google hits. I'll pare back some of the promotionalism. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

High school for medical professions

There's more or less consensus that articles on schools deserve at least a 5-day discussion; declining speedy db-spam deletion; taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was only A7 that didn't apply to Schools. ViperSnake151 12:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
It's true that A7 (db-notability) doesn't apply to schools. But read WP:OUTCOMES#Education; so far, when I've asked about speedy-deleting schools, other admins have said that they read that the same way ... it's hard to tell in advance whether people will decide to keep or delete a given school, so it's better to have the 5-day discussion than to try to make the call yourself. There are probably exceptions ... certainly copyvios should be speedied, and I think if the school article comes off as some kind of really slick sales pitch, and I can't find evidence of notability on Google, I'd probably be willing to delete as spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Deep Secret

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around 1.5 years, and it's not promotional, but there are WP:WAF concerns, and no references. Taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Corvus Belli

Declining speedy; article has been around 2 years, tone not overly promotional. Lots of ghits but no refs. Adding {{notability}}. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 06:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing, happy editing. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Gilbert Classical Academy

I read Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Education to say that decisions on schools are hard and they shouldn't be speedied, so removing from db-spam queue and taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 06:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, not aware that education establishments are not normally speedied. Have given it a weak keep as amended on AFD.--Dmol (talk) 07:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

That's what I'm generally hearing, although there are probably exceptions. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 07:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


I could only find one paragraph that was a copyvio at the given url, or any of the menu options from that page. I deleted the copyvio paragraph and declined the speedy. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 07:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Wellpoint systems

I think the db-spam tag was the right call, and the creator has been blocked for COI, but I've cleaned this up a bit, and I'm going to give them some rope. Notability is not a problem, but they need references, and articles on proprietary software companies tend not to be balanced. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

SDL Tridion

Seems okay to me, declining db-spam. I pared it down a little, but the tone is fine, and references establish notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Skip willits

Declining db-spam speedy; if the page is accurate, there's notability, and I read the page more as someone who's proud of his life's work than someone who is pushing something non-notable. I pared it down quite a bit and left two paragraphs, but those two paragraphs are fine, in user-space. It will need references when it travels to mainspace. I was a little troubled that I couldn't find notability in the first few pages of Google hits. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Also see my advice about Twinkle above. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Pardon? I don't use Twinkle. Or any of the tools. I look for the ones they miss, like the hoaxes and spams. There's enough people looking for the obvious. I look for the green ones in the grass... Peridon (talk) 22:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Not using Twinkle, Huggle or NPWatcher is fine, but that means an awful lot of extra keystrokes. For instance, you didn't notify the user that his page was subject to deletion, so he might have wandered dazed and confused, bugging people trying to find out what happened. Did you mark the page as patrolled? Twinkle and Huggle do that in theory (although that functionality is broken at the moment ... Grrr, it's the dev's fault). If not, that means probably Dragonfly6-7 will have to check the page when he does his new page patrol. The edit summary was just "spam", which a lot of people would take to mean {{advert}} rather than {{db-spam}}. A tool would handle all of those things with no extra keystrokes, so that you won't have to. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

RotateRight Zoom

I decided to decline the speedy db-spam deletion; I think we have to AfD this one. Tone is not overly promotional, and I can't pin down notability, mostly because "rotateright" is a common function. Feel free to weigh in at the AfD page. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Please also see discussion above about using Twinkle or some other tool if you're going to be speedy-tagging. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Kumin Sommers LLP

I've decided not to "speedily delete" this page for now because I have a feeling the creator can probably come up with newspaper articles indicative of notability, and I expect a law firm is probably going to be willing to learn Wikipedia's rules and play by them. However, I blanked the page for now, because the article as it stood had no references to indicate notability, and because the tone was brochure-like rather than encyclopedic. I've invited the guys from the LAW WikiProject to come have look. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Declining speedy db-spam deletion because I can't rule out the possibility with a Google search that they are as notable as they say they are; paring the promotionalism; taking to AfD; notifying WP:CAR. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

yeah i've been seeing theseScientus (talk) 02:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not in the UK, so you might want to share what you know at the AfD page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Taylor's University College

These db-copyvios where the article has a long history are a pain. I was able to find a version from October that wasn't copyvio in the first part; the second part was always copyvio, so I just deleted it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

DAV Sasaram

Declining the speedy deletion, even though the article is very spammy; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DAV Sasaram for rationale. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

St. Francis of Assisi Convent

Removing from db-spam queue, taking to AfD. See WP:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Education. For a high school, the tone has to be pretty over-the-top to merit speedy deletion as spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

The World Takaful Conference

Declining db-spam and taking to AfD, I'd like comment from people from the region if possible. Google hits suggest this is probably nonnotable by our standards, but it's possible people from the region will have a different view. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Shooting Gazette

The tone sounds okay to me, and IPC Media is very notable. Too many ghits to assess notability, and can't db-inc a magazine, so taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Maharaja Udit Narayan Singh

Posted at WT:INDIA: "This was in the db-copyvio speedy deletion queue. I removed the copyvio part, but the remainder is pretty slim, and someone may want to rewrite some of this. Feel free to take to AfD if you like." - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It is not my intention to take the article to AFD. But the article cannot remain in Wikipedia with so much copyvio. But now, since the copyvio has been removed, the article could stay. Thanks-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 02:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Sure thing, thanks for your tagging work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Riverbed Technology

I'm declining the speedy deletion. Easily enough notability, and the tone is not overly promotional. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, now I see what's up. Your company's article was deleted as spam, so in the last hour you've put undeserved db-spam speedy deletion tags on 3 competitors' pages, this one and Expand Networks‎ and Blue Coat Systems. Reporting to WP:AIV. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


Declining db-spam per discussion in edit history of Freddy Hutter. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't use db-spam on my second go. I used db-bio, your edit summary at the time of deletion notwithstanding.
Freddy Hutter:
  • publishes timely graphs related to Peak Oil Depetion, Economics & Election Forecasts
  • publishes coversions of popular opinion polls to Seat or Riding Projections for several jurisdictions
In other words, he explains what he does for a living. This is an indication of notability? Are these remarkable things that he does, that by mentioning him he makes himself out to be notable?
He says that his website is popular. That isn't inherently a claim of his own notability, and since it's an autobiography, and therefore a vanity piece, I wasn't inclined to make the necessary inferences of his own notability on his behalf.
In other words, in my view, the article "does not indicate why its subject is important or significant" (WP:CSD A7).

—Largo Plazo (talk) 12:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Fredhutter isn't an article, so A7 doesn't apply. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, my oversight. I thought you were talking about Fred Hutter— which you also restored after deleting. So my arguments for CSD A7 were about that article, and I believe you ought to have left it deleted. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
There's never been a Fred Hutter article; you're thinking of Freddy Hutter, and the admin that declined your request for speedy deletion was User:WilyD. He gave his reasoning in the edit summary, but I'm sure he'd be willing talk about it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Argh! I'm sorry for the confusion: I hurried through this too fast. Thanks for your patience. —Largo Plazo (talk) 22:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
No problem at all, thanks for your work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

List of Everex Products

Removing db-spam tag; not declining, just waiting for consensus to speedy to be reached in the AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Robert Alexander (photographer)

I'm sorry, I couldn't find the copyvio on this page, so I declined the speedy deletion request. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The first half of the second large paragraph on this page is virtually identical to the biography section of the article and this page clearly claims all content of their domain as copyright. ww2censor (talk) 04:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
That's a {{close paraphrase}} in a few sentences, which doesn't allow speedy deletion, although changing a few words around would be a good idea. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
It still looks like a copy and paste of part of a copyright page to me, but whatever you say it's not that important. I have too much else to do to go fixing this type of stuff right now. ww2censor (talk) 20:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Consensus I think is not to delete as db-spam if the article has references indicating notability and if removing some of the paragraphs leaves you with an article that isn't overly promotional in tone, given the notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction: Ninth Annual Collection

(And also 3 others in the series): declining db-spam, I don't think the tone is promotional. You could take it to AfD if you like, but my inclination would be to ask the WP:SCIFI wikiproject what their preference is; they might want all these pages merged. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. A publisher lists a series of books with all their chapters but no critical reviews? Oh, well, I just call 'em like I see 'em. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks friend. As you can probably tell from my talk page, every time I decline a speedy deletion, I put a note here with my rationale ... this is so that people can find all my calls on speedy deletion in one place, and also because taggers sometimes get annoyed when we put criticisms on their pages. In this case, I looked at User:Rastro's contribs, and he doesn't otherwise act like a publisher or promoter of sci-fi books, and I don't see a promotional tone in these articles. You're right, we don't want just a list of contents, but I don't think it quite fits the db-spam criteria, and we can only db-notability people, organizations and websites. I'll post a note at WT:SCIFI; they might want to take this to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The Unseen Bean

Taking to AfD. A difficult case that could use some discussion. A little bit was added after the speedy tag that helped, I think. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I was waffling a little and usually err on the side of NOT doing a speedy, but made the call in good faith. AfD in this case seems perfectly reasonable per your explanation. --Quartermaster (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
There are good points being made in both direction at the AfD (which suggests it did need some discussion, after all). I don't think you made a bad call based on the information you had at the time. Keep up the good work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Tracy Learning Center

Declining db-spam since it's (also) a high school and tone is not over-the-top. Taking to AfD since I can't find sources, but high schools seem to be surviving AfD without sources. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Terence P. Jeffrey

FYI - I retagged the article you declined for SD. I found a closer example of copyrighted material. Thanks... ttonyb1 (talk) 05:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I axed it. Good sleuthing work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks... ttonyb1 (talk) 05:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Caribbean Travel & Life

Declined db-spam, reverted to something close to the version that's been around for 1.5 years. I agree that the changes a few days ago were awful and something needed to be done, but I don't think we have consensus to db-spam an article because of recent spam. Since the article has been around a while, I didn't investigate notability, but if you know that notability is in question, please take it to AfD (or I'll do it). I'll keep the article on my watchlist for a while to make sure the spam doesn't reappear. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


Declining deletion as db-spam and taking to AfD; some "cultural sensitivity" won't hurt here (i.e. U.S. is incredibly self-promotional, and a quick deletion might come across as denying Luxembourg even a little self-promotion). - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Leo Club of Kota Bharu Central

Declining db-spam and taking to AfD; a "cultural sensitivity" judgment call, since this is a Malaysian philanthropic/fraternal organization. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The Livingston Group (nanotechnology)

In general, I'm not comfortable with db-spamming articles that have been around for a year (in this case, almost 2 years). If the tone were that offensive, someone would have noticed. WP:AfD is fine, reverting to a previous less spammy version is fine, but not db-spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


Not comfortable with doing a {{db-web}} speedy deletion on a fairly well-known gay pron site; we have more than a few admins who are self-professed experts in the subject, so let's discuss before we delete :) - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure we do; I've prodded it, regardless. Completely the wrong tone for an article. Ironholds (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. I'll talk with the creator and try to get a sense of whether he's promoting the site or just trying to show people that he's knowledgeable about the subject. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Problem solved. He just posted on the article talk page "Hello, I'm the owner of Badpuppy site". That plus the promotional tone plus the attempt to come off as a disinterested reviewer earned him a quick db-spam. I'll go discuss on his talk page. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Millward Brown

(March 31) I'm not comfortable doing a speedy deletion on an article that's been around for 3 years (in various versions). Revert to less spammy version if necessary. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Cairo Foreign Press Association

(Mar 31) Declining db-group, taking to AfD. Per, there's at least notoriety, which might imply notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Disaster preparedness and Emergency Response Association

(Mar 30) Taking to AfD; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disaster preparedness and Emergency Response Association - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Expand Networks

(Mar 26) Declining speedy deletion tag placed by a competitor; not promotional enough for speedy deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Blue Coat Systems

(Mar 26) Declining speedy deletion tag placed by a competitor; plenty of notability, not promotional enough for speedy deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Matt Norman

(Mar 26) Declining speedy, nominating for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Norman (2nd nomination). - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Norman H. Anderson

(Mar 24) Declining speedy, nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman H. Anderson. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Starr

(Mar 24) Declining speedy for db-notability (lots of good sources found); thinking about whether to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Lauchlan Maclean, 2nd Laird of Brolas

(Mar 24) Declining db-copyvio ... published 1889! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Palaris Revolt

(Mar 19) ‎Not a copyvio per Philippine copyright law#Government copyright; declining db-copyvio. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

St. Mary's Church, Handsworth, Sheffield

(Mar 17) Declining speedy deletion; most of the copyright violation seems to be gone now; keep working on it! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Buffalo Niagara Medical Campus

(Mar 17) Declining speedy deletion; this is the second mistagged article by this IP editor. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Roswell Park Cancer Institute

(Mar 17) ‎Declining speedy db-spam deletion for now, but I'll pare back the promotional bits and watch this one a few days. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Pura Vida Coffee

(Mar 17) Rescuing (after I deleted) ... I just found some refs that establish notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Sexton

(Mar 16) ‎Speedy was already declined by User:Nancy; please don't re-add tag without consensus. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Detmold (packaging)

(Mar 16) De-spamifying, removing from db-spam speedy deletion queue, taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Tele-Rilevamento Europa

(Mar 15) The creator has been moving in the right direction since this article was tagged db-spam, so I'm moving it to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Spark Networks

(Mar 10) Declining speedy; only a close paraphrase, not copyvio, which was easily fixed. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


(Mar 4) Declining speedy; since it gets a 5-star rating in Firefox's add-on page with 77 ratings, there's at least an argument that it's notable; notifying WP:INET. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


(Mar 4) Speedy deletion was already declined by Alexf, and I agree; it's AfD at worst. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Town FM

(Mar 4) Removing from the db-spam queue temporarily to give the WP:RADIO guys a chance to give input. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Agastya International Foundation

(Mar 4) Removing from speedy deletion queue so that Indian editors can have a look. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Project IMUSE

(Mar 4) Deleting the future events; declining the speedy deletion, but proposing a 5-day deletion unless sources establishing notability can be found. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Abbey Gates Primary School

(Mar 3) Declining the speedy deletion, removing the 2 spammy paragraphs. I'll ask the tagger if they want to WP:AFD it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Energy accounting software

(Mar 3) Declining db-spam speedy deletion per talk page. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


(Mar 3) I'm not comfortable doing a speedy deletion tagged by an IP on an article that's been around in roughly this form for a long time. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Prasad Bidapa

(Mar 3) Reverting to last non-spammy version in response to the speedy deletion for spam tag. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Daniel J. Kaplan

(Mar 3) Declining speedy; contacting tagger. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Chris Archer

(Mar 3) Declining speedy; asking tagger if he wants to AfD it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Business routes of Interstate 5

(Mar 3) Declining speedy, downshifting to "prod". - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

University of Wisconsin School of Human Ecology

(Mar 3) I'm declining the speedy deletion; I clicked on 3 of the links looking for the copyright violation and didn't see it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Presence (amplification)

(Mar 2) Declining speedy; there's enough context here, and AfD has started. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Peter Cianchette

(Mar 2) I believe all U.S. Fed govt works are public domain, so no copyvio. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Zhengzhou Yutong Bus

(Mar 1) Reverting the db-spam edit; notability is asserted, references given. Notifying tagger. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Prince Thingy

Sorry not to get back to you sooner - went to bed. Pure rubbish. No King of Champagne (ever!), Kingdom of Two Sicilies had ceased (merged into Italy) and so on. I enjoy a good hoax (and have sent compliments on occasion) but this wasn't one. Just a badly written mishmash. Peridon (talk) 13:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching it. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your RfA

Hey Dan - thanks for your your message regarding my failed RfA. I appreciate the time you took throughout the RfA to weigh up the case and felt honoured at your eventual move to support. I too think CSD criteria could use some work - namely because of the difference between the stated criteria and what is done in practice. For now, I'll be focusing acutely on CSD over the next couple of months and earn the trust of my opposers. Thanks again for the thoughtful participation and feedback. FlyingToaster 22:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry my support came too late to do any good. I'd enjoy learning CSD along with you, so any time you want to give me a holler that you're busy with tagging, I'll get busy with deleting. Looking forward to your next RFA. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Userify project page

Hi Dan, could you use your special powers to userify Wikipedia:Casual? The essay is what remains of a (poor) attempt by Pickbothmanlol (talk · contribs) to create a new Wikipedia guideline through sockpuppetry. I nominated it for deletion but it was found not offensive enough to delete outright. Thanks. Wronkiew (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


I have generally kept to a straight "if it's recreated after deletion more than once, salt it" policy. The only exception would be one that's been recreated after a full-blown AfD; those get salted after the first recreation. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

That works for me. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Martial arts spammer

The articles are basically identical, so I salted it under both variants of the name. The editor in question has never done anything except: add his school of martial arts to list of martial arts; create spam articles about it; and advertise it and himself, complete with contact info and spamlinks, on his userpage. I have blocked him indefintely as an advertising-only account. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks much; I'm learning. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Urban Initiatives

Re: your comments on my talk Looks like it got deleted already Huadpe (talk) 16:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Okay, I'll leave a nice note on the creator's talk page, then. Thanks for letting me know. That one was a judgment call; it fit the "profile" of spam, so no harm done with the speedy. I would have preferred to give them a little time to get their act together. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Chris Archer

Well, at the least, the article needs to be rewritten. --Jnelson09 (talk) 22:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay ... since this is your ballgame, nudge the creator and see if you can get them to find reliable sources. If they don't and you can't find them, then AfD it, or I'll be happy to. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

OVarian Cancer

Whoops realized after I deleted that you'd declined G11, but it was a copyvio. I'll restore and take to AfD if you want. Let me know StarM 03:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know about the copyvio; I agree with your decision to speedy. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page, Dan. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 04:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


This edit did not work. Taken to AfD. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Not sure why no one wants to touch that one; I know I don't because I've never had a clue about notability of software or software companies. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 10:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Sales 2.0 article deletion

I am writing about your recent deletion of the 'Sales 2.0' article. The article was created to give a clear, non-promotional explanation of the evolving field of sales technology and practices. The articles referenced were all legitimate 3rd party articles that did not promote any company or person. The definition as I last saw it did not contain any promotional or advertising content, so I am confused by your reasons for deletion. Also, not sure what you are referring to in your explanation "Sales 2.0 is a registered trademark of Sales 2.0 LLC" as this was not anywhere in the entry the last time I looked at it. This entry is similar to Web 2.0, in that the term describes the evolution of an industry and technological framework and thus belongs in Wikipedia. Please restore the article. ChrisLsquad (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

That article was deleted because it was promotional, and the "registered trademark" quote above was definitely in the article just before it was deleted. There were a couple of sources in the article, but that doesn't mean the subject is notable enough to merit inclusion in Wikipedia. I can't speak for Dan, but probably deletion review is your best next step.  Frank  |  talk  23:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Frank's got a lot of experience with deletion, and I agree. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses. It appears that the article was edited to include the content you mentioned about Sales 2.0 being a "registered trademark" and perhaps other additional language that caused the entry to be promotional in nature. I did not have a chance to see the updated language, but it sounds like it was out of place. The original Sales 2.0 entry was substantive though and definitely a worthy entry for Wiki (the term is used very regularly throughout media, business, analyst and consumer circles). I really do not think that this should warrant a deletion review, but instead be reinstated and have the promotional content removed. ChrisLsquad (talk) 00:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

There's no downside to getting a wider view of the issues, as long as knowledgeable people are willing to volunteer their time, and they are. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hey Dank,

You're right, there is a bunch of pages put up about Indian institutions that need speedy deletion. Usually, I tag it if its advertising, spam or fancruft. Otherwise, I use a Google search to check notability. Prasad Bidapa is definitely notable, imo, but the article was pure spam. I'm glad you brought up the older version - I think it can be salvaged. Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I don't live in India and so don't have the knowhow to understand the importance of obscure pseudo-borderline notable things. Only the flagrant nonsense. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys; I got an offer of help at WT:INDIA, too. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


No action is necessary, but thought you'd want to know about this thread.  Frank  |  talk  02:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

re Wuhwuzdat and speedies

Just a quick comment on your comment at User talk:Wuhwuzdat. I guess we have different standards about what's good tagging -- 10% bad tagging isn't great in my book, especially when you consider that each bad tag has the potential to drive off a future good contributor to Wikipedia. Even with the request to not leave messages about bad speedies, a quick glance shows that s/he had half a dozen comments on them yesterday alone. Making the text bigger with edit summaries like this isn't solving the problem. Just my two cents, make of it what you will. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 14:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of R&Q

Hi! R&Q is an icq client very popular between russian speaking people and it can be proved by russian google and yandex:

We also have an article in ru-wikipedia:

The R&Q's popularity is encreasing lately between english speaking people too and we decided to create an article in en-wiki. Yes, partly it can be refered to as an advertisment, but first of all we wanted to bring more information to english speaking people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by v2k3 (talkcontribs)

I don't speak Russian, but I took that search and restricted it to английском, which did give me English results. Nothing in the first 5 pages of English results was a reference to your software in what we would consider a reliable source. There were also no English references in the article I deleted. Can you find any English language reliable source that talks about your software? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Look in the forum of the &RQ author. R&Q is based on &RQ sources, but also R&Q violates GPL of that sources


Thank you, i will use your suggestion if i can figure out the html for it. Would you happen to know? Sarah Katherine 23:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. At My preferences/User profile, check the "raw signature" box, and enter for instance (copypaste this from the edit screen, if you'd like to also give a link to your contribs): Sarah Katherine Sko1221. Or, what would work just as well for the RFA crowd, User:Sarah Katherine isn't taken, so you could ask over at WP:CHU to change your username, or maybe you could take that name as a redirect to your current username. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that helps. [[Sarah Katherine visit 23:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Sarah Katherine Sko1221 23:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Now when people say something about Sko1221, people won't think "Don't know her". - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 23:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Dan. I'm writing about your recent deletion of the 'ARTESYS' article. I understand that wiki is not a promotion space, OK. But why you delete only ARTESYS and not other companies in the same section ("Document Management System"). Some of theirs have the same size as ARTESYS, less references than ARTESYS, some are more recent as ARTESYS. If it is a question of syntax, I write the ARTESYS article by copying-pasting company articles already in this section (like "Questys Solutions", "Version One"...). Thanks for your explainations. (talk · contribs)

I'm sorry, I've searched my edits, your edits, and deleted files, and I find nothing under ARTESYS or Artesys. Perhaps you misspelled it? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


Short for "Request for Arrows". :) Thank you for your support. This has been a hard but useful experience (useful experiences often are hard) and whether I ever accept a nomination again or not, I'm willing to address the cautions of the sincere Opposers and try to do better. Lots of arrows coming at me, and I get the point. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought you did very well in a tough RfA, and I suspect you'll do a lot better next time around. Let me know if I can help. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I've gotten more encouragement than I knew was out there, and that's heartening. Maybe I've become like an old shoe around here. Or rabbit's foot, minus the luck part. I'll be re-doing my user page a little bit, and otherwise if you see me do something extremely stupid, feel free to let me know. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Sure, if you'll do the same! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Always glad to be of service. :) It can be a great rush to see someone else do something dumb for a change. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of Barack Obama subpage

You deleted a subpage article that is currently being discussed, citing your own POV assessment of what that article contains, characterizing such in a particularly POV way, and not having participated or given regard to discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama/Criticism of Barack Obama. Restore it now. Thanks. -Stevertigo 20:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned on your talk page, the proper forum to review whether the deletion was appropriate is deletion review. Feel free to take the page there, and please let me know so I can watchlist the discussion. I'm always ready to learn if I've done something wrong. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk)
You appear to have certain opinions about the value of that particular subpage draft. You might also have similar opinions about the creation of such subpages, the usage of templates transclusion to aid article development, and the motivations of the creator. All of them are certainly valid opinions, in the context of discussion. To simply delete something outright requires more than rationale; it requires that such rational be accurate and have the support of other editors. We are discussing that issue now, and your deletion only serves to destroy and stigmatize that strange process of discussion first, delete after. You made some charachterizations on the Talk:Obama page, not rationales. Restore it, and join the discussion. -Stevertigo 20:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
As I said at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama/Criticism of Barack Obama: To quote WP:BLP: "Summary [speedy] deletion in part or whole is relevant when the page contains unsourced negative material or is disparaging and written non-neutrally, and when this cannot readily be repaired or replaced to an acceptable standard." To quote WP:Attack page: "An attack page is a Wikipedia article, page, template, category, redirect or image that exists primarily to disparage its subject. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, these pages are subject to being deleted by any administrator at any time." I have speedily deleted this page, and since it's already been speedily deleted under this and another name 6 times now, I have salted it (protected against recreation) for 1 month. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. This is perhaps the one policy that the Wikimedia Foundation feels the most strongly about, since Wikipedia is subject to the same laws on defamation that everyone else in the U.S. is. As always, I could be wrong, and if so, the place to contest this is deletion review. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
That's the policy; now a personal note. I know that it's easy to feel "slapped down" when someone comes along and deletes an article you've put some work into. I didn't delete the article because there's anything wrong with your work, and Wikipedia does sometimes divide up biographical articles among separate pages, and some of the pages will slant in one direction while other pages slant in another direction. Keeping everything balanced is hard work, and I wish you the best of luck with making the points you'd like to make. But our policy is to delete pages which exist to disparage their subjects immediately; you can then continue your discussion in the obvious place, the talk page of Barack Obama, and if you can gain consensus to divide up the information among separate pages in the way you like, then you can proceed. Happy editing. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Hello Dank55. As an admin, can you userfy the last version of the article for me so I can continue to work on it, or point me to an editor who can? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
    I'm sorry, userfication is suggested by our policy for certain types of deleted pages, but not when a page is deleted because it's created to disparage its subject. I'm guessing the reason for that is that userpages are indexed, which means the potentially defamatory material would immediately wind up on search engines and mirrors. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
    Pages can be explicitly {{NOINDEX}}'d, but I still don't think userification is appropriate here. Protonk (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of BLP

I see that your policy is to immediately delete pages which exist only to disparage their subject. This is great news. Please delete "criticism of George W. Bush". Ejnogarb (talk) 00:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

That page was created after consensus on the article's talk page to split the issues up among separate pages. Criticism of Barack Obama was created without any prior consensus, for the purpose of disparaging the article's subject (and at least two other people). See the policy quoted above; such pages are subject to instant deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
It's hypocrisy, and your bias is ruining Wikipedia. There is enough criticism of Barack Obama which has been documented by varied, notable sources to produce such a page. Ejnogarb (talk) 01:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The place to argue for retention of the page is at the deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 15. If I'm being hypocritical, they'll catch it. You're welcome to weigh in. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


I'm sorry, I couldn't find any copyright violation on the indicated page. Another page, perhaps? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 18:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No, that page... if you copy any portion of text from that page into Google, it already appears on this page and others. For examples, see this, this and this. ╟─TreasuryTagcontribs─╢ 18:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
PS:- shall I restore the speedy-tag, or will you deal with it yourself? Thanks :-) ╟─TreasuryTagcontribs─╢ 18:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Julian just deleted as spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 DoneJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


Could you please explain how my article on Florcello submitted 03/16/09 is considered "blatent advertising"? How could it possibly be written in a more unbiased fashion ? I want to learn. Please take a look a the articles for Tuaca, Liquor Fogg, Sabra... If these articles are acceptable, please advise how I am offending the Wiki rules.--MBH2000 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Giving the link here for admins who might want to look: Florcello. The first reason I gave was actually what we call WP:CSD A7 or "db-notability". We don't have articles about 99.999% of existing products; there has to be some significant record in journals, books, newspapers etc. that indicate that a variety of people believe the product is a fixture in our culture, something worth talking and writing about; this is a concept we call WP:Notability on Wikipedia. Generally, a product has to be widely deployed before it even has a shot at notability. I did a Google search, there weren't a lot of hits, and none of the hits suggested that someone was mentioning your product in something we consider a reliable source in a way that would establish notability. One admin had deleted your article as "spam" and another person had tagged it as "spam", and I believe they meant more or less the same thing. I personally don't care for the text "blatant advertising", because I don't think that's applicable even in most cases where we use that tag, but wiser people than me have decided that that's the tone they prefer. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Wallyboard

Hey, I noticed that you deleted Wallyboard under A7. I was under the impression that A7 couldn't be used for a product. I therefore tagged it G11. Is my understanding incorrect? decltype (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely right. I couldn't sleep last night, so I was doing CSD work at 3 a.m. ... not going to do that again, I see I also AfD'd an article without checking for notability, too. Gah! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification :) decltype (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Admin nomination

First, I am not this person, nor has this person contacted me about this matter.

I don't know if this is proper protocol for these things, so if this is out of line, I apologize in advance.

I am coming to you with this as, among the more active admins here (and your dealings with me in the past), you have shown sound judgment, courtesy, and fairness, along with what I perceive to be an inclusionist attitude. I know that under the guidelines, anyone can nominate someone for adminship, but the truth is it really needs to come from a respected admin.

I have looked into the history of a particular user, John Z, and have found someone who seems like an excellent candidate for an admin. Specifically:

  • Nice percentage of article edits to everything else (as evidenced by his contributions summary)
  • A person who people come to for help (as evidenced by his talk page
  • A consensus builder (works in various groups)
  • Ability to work in controversial topics without pi$$ing people off
  • Seemingly respected by his peers (talk page)
  • Apparently, no personal attacks or edit wars. The most hostile message I found on his talk page had a reply that at it's worst could be classified as terse.
  • Perceived participation in AfD discussions.

I am not providing sources for these claims, as I feel that should you decide to look into this it should be with fresh eyes, and some of these are more along the lines of my perception and "name recognition" from various aspects of wikipedia.

Should you not have the time to investigate, nor find this person to be a good candidate, I will understand. My only personal stake in this is I feel John Z is a thoughtful inclusionist editor, and I believe there need to be more. I will check back here should you respond.

Thank you,

Mike (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the heads-up. I've actually been using Twinkle for a while, but didn't realise it had a CSD tagging tool until now. Thanks again. GeneralAtrocity (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You bet. There's actually a temporary bug; Twinkle used to marked pages as "patrolled" automatically, but that got "unfixed" somehow in a recent upgrade of the Wikimedia software (and the Twinkle folks can't do anything about that). But when it's working correctly, Twinkle will mark the article as patrolled, and also alert the creator of the article with an appropriate message about speedy deletion, and also do the edit summary, and also do the tagging correctly. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 18:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


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Re: In other news

Thanks very much for the kind feedback, Dan. I've been working pretty hard towards good CSD work, especially in light of my past RfA & looking towards a hopefully less dramatic future one.  :) Happy editing to you. FlyingToaster 08:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

And to you! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


We do not blank during afd except if it justifies a speedy delete. The stuff will get out of the honest mirrors well enough after the article is removed 5 days later, and for the dishonest ones, any appearance at all will get it on for good. DGG (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


I recently had a page deleted macroview. Could you please give me some feedback on how I could get this page back on. It was deleted due to advertising and I can respect that but why then is the citect page still up. I based the page on this one to try to ensure it was ok. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moejoe199 (talkcontribs) 03:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The short answer is: let me see if I can find someone in computing who can help you. The longer answer is: there aren't a lot of articles on software in Wikipedia, because we require notabiliy, meaning at least several and usually a lot of newspapers, books, magazines, etc, have considered the software important enough to review or at least mention favorably. Are there any publications (other than industry publications, most of which print anything they're given to print) that have mentioned your software? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're in luck, someone at our Computing wikiproject is familiar with your software. Click on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing#Anyone who's interested; he's asking the same question, are you aware of any reliable sources that talk about your products. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You might also try checking with Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems. I think that might actually be the WikiProject that would be the parent for these type of articles, but there would be a little overlap with Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing. Tothwolf (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see that they've answered any questions since October; it was never a big wikiproject. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing is probably about the same in that its not very active now...I just happened to have it's talk page on my watchlist. WikiProject Systems does have assessment banners on a number of related articles in this field so I'd think they would be the right place, but finding active editors might still be a challenge. Tothwolf (talk) 04:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I've located some online pages that refer to our acquisition of Macroview and am waiting for my boss to get back to me regarding any newspaper articles. [[2]] [[3]]. Thanks for your feedback guys. Chris
I've rehashed a macroview page with references to sites that mention macroview and removed information on sentient. Where can I put the page for review? Thanks. Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moejoe199 (talkcontribs) 08:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't generally review software articles; you might try posting your notice at WT:COMPUTING, and perhaps User talk:Tothwolf has more advice. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


I recently had a page, ExteNet Systems deleted by you. The reason was that it was 'deliberate advertising' I believe. I am doing this as a student project for a company of choice, and I am trying to make it completely neutral and informative to provide information on the wireless provider industry.

Can you please give me advise so I can ensure it does not get deleted again? Thanks a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rialtoguy (talkcontribs) 15:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. See WP:SPAM and WP:CORP for what we need in order to have an article about a business or product. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles

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Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
For your excellent ability to balance content work and administrative duties in a spectacular and constructive manner. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Very kind, and good timing, too, I've been having problems with acid reflux (now fixed by Prilosec, apparently) and I needed a boost. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


I have responded to your e-mail on my talk page at User talk:Chillum#From e-mail regarding RfA. Sorry about the delay. Chillum 23:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Crat list

Sorry, my error for accepting you. I mistook you for another Dan. I will be more careful henceforth. Apologies for any embarrassment caused. --Dweller (talk) 13:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

My mistake as well! Special:EmailUser/Bureaucrats was what I was looking for. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Time magazine's "All-TIME" 100 best albums

I'm sorry, I couldn't find the copyvio at that page, where was it? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

This is my first tagging of a potential copyvio, so I've probably made a mistake, but at the very bottom of the page it says "Copyright © 2009 Time Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited"...GiantSnowman 02:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to speedy tagging! Did you find any sentences in the Wikipedia article that were lifted word-for-word from that page? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
There's no direct quoting, everything is paraphrased...but a similar list of All-TIME 100 Greatest Novels has been previously deleted for copyvio. GiantSnowman 02:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a tag called {{close paraphrase}} you can use when it's a close paraphrase, and I think it's likely this article won't survive ... but we can't speedily delete under G12 unless more or less the entire thing was copied word for word and there's no earlier version in the history that was not a copyvio. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help - I've added {{close paraphrase}} to the article; do you think I should PROD the article? GiantSnowman 02:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I think PROD is a good call. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've prodded the article as potential copyvio due to its paraphrasing. Thanks for all your help, GiantSnowman 02:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Any time. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi: You're probably watching the WT:WTA talk page, but if not, I wanted to let you know I've set up an RFC to get some outside discussion there, and to encourage slightly more formal statements than our more freewheeling discussion thus far. RayTalk 18:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

30 minute test block

Hello, Dank55. I know this may sound a bit ridiculous, but could you please block my account with an expiry time of 30 minutes as a test block? —Mythdon (talkcontribs) 23:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy to "help" ... but #wikipedia-en-admins suggested I should ask: what's the reason? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
To see how blocks work for the blocked users perspective. It's no big deal. I'll change my mind and say a 10 minute test instead. —Mythdon (talkcontribs) 02:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
The advice I'm getting is that it's probably not a good idea to block your main account; people do look at your block log from time to time, and they don't necessary check how long you were blocked for. Do you have a sock account of some kind? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
No, and I won't make one. If you don't want to test block this account, then I'll just forget about the test. —Mythdon (talkcontribs) 02:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'd rather not. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


glad to have my source recognised. DGG (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Curse the South, but we know our Bibble. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Schools at CSD

Hi, thank you for your good work that you are doing. We get many Asian schools that are very hard to source. When I come across them I generally merge them, either into their locality or, where available into a "List of schools in ..." page. This has the benefit of preserving the content and parking the school until sources can be found. Perhaps you might like to consider this approach? TerriersFan (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a great approach, but I'm wondering if we could have the best of both worlds if we AfD it first and then merge the material if the article is deleted? Someone might come up with sufficient sources, especially if we're giving them a couple of 5-day deadlines. AfD does run the risk that people will say we're undermining them if we merge when they said not to merge, but is there a contingent of hardliners we need to worry about? I haven't seen them. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that if a page is deleted then it can't subsequently be merged for GFDL reasons; an AFD is really an 'all or nothing' approach. My experience is that merging marginally notable schools rarely, if ever, gets challenged. TerriersFan (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Good point, and we just had a discussion about that today; I've added an anchor so you can see my response at WP:Requests_for_bureaucratship/Anonymous_Dissident#Response re: A Nobody. I'm really okay either way. If we could get clear guidance from an RFC, I'd be happy never to AfD a high school, and advise taggers likewise (unless the newly-created article is dripping with promotionalism or copyvios), but some previous attempts to get consensus on this (WP:SCH) have failed. Could we try this as an experiment? Will you keep following "list of Schools-related deletion discussions"? (I'm guessing that's what you saw.) I have generally been staying away from the vote if I'm declining a speedy, but I'll jump into the school-related ones and usually vote either Keep or Merge and Delete (probably the latter) if there are no sources; I have read the arguments on high schools before and I agree that it's highly likely that hard-copy sources supporting notability exist, but it may take a while to find them. That will be 2 votes (yours and mine) for Keep or Merge, and others, including the closers, are likely to be sympathetic, usually, so the material won't get lost, and if someone turns up sources, all the better. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Arachnoid Cyst Awareness

I preferred to speedy this one under db-web rather than db-spam, since none of the Google hits were to reliable sources, and no sources were listed or even suggested on the page. I read the conversations with the creator, and I agree that we're only talking about a couple of words that were promotional; the problem for me was complete lack of notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The user who created is accusing me of having something against her (or him), so I am trying to calm him (or her) down and explain why I speedied it. I'm not against having the article here in general, as long as there are reliable sources supporting its presence here. I hope I don't come off as bitey. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 01:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Complete lack of notability you say, but you don't even know what an arachnoid cyst is, let alone what the organization has done to help people. It has been around almost as long as ABTA, and because "google hits" which I am not even sure what you mean, you deleted the article? Go on, go read ABTA's, they only write a few sentences about their organization and you publish it, but Arachnoid Cyst Awareness you delete because of google hits, Just so you know the website used to be but has recently been changed because of availability of a new domain name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arachnoidcystawareness (talkcontribs) 01:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC) Once again I was the source, I don't need to copy other people's words in order to write a paragraph. ABTA didn't have any sources, and again I am just using their page as an example, but you kept their article. Doesn't make any sense to me, and I honestly believe you moderators on here love to delete as much as possible. Finally there was an article about the one organization for Arachnoid Cysts, and you guys went and deleted it. You must be so proud. When I was in the process of editing it too, it disappeared, very nice of all of you here. Are you afraid of something new? Do you not like those with brain tumors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arachnoidcystawareness (talkcontribs) 01:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Crackthewhip: Although I personally would prefer to go a little easier ... just a little ... on people who create articles that eventually get deleted as db-spam or db-corp, the warnings and edit summaries have been decided by the community, and yes, they come off as bitey, and that's apparently intentional. Arachnoid: see WP:CORP for what we need in an article about your organization. Find independent coverage in multiple reliable sources of your organization, and then we can allow the article. Also, it's likely your username will be banned (we call it "blocked") at some point, since it promotes your organization; you may want to create a new account. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

My user name was changed, I am not promoting anything, I think you guys are super paranoid, seriously. I will rewrite it however, but do you honestly think half of the articles on wiki were written by people totally unaffiliated with the subject matter? Of course not, and yet this is your big rule you have to abide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemmadidonato (talkcontribs) 01:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

"And that's apparently intentional". No, I am not being intentionally bitey and I find that remark offensive. How dare you not assume good faith? You can see on the talk page that there is no intentional malice (if there even is any) towards the user. I am being patient in explaining the user why the page was deleted. Why would I want to drive away a user? What would I gain from that? --Whip it! Now whip it good! 01:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Um...huh? Did I say you were bitey? Oh...I see what you're saying. I meant, edit summaries like "blatant advertising" and some of the content in the warnings, when not accompanied by explanation, clearly come off as "bitey" ... I don't think we should sugar-coat the fact that calling something "blatant" is a clear case of not assuming good faith. But the extra time that you put into talking with these guys shows that you weren't being bitey yourself. There's a discussion going on at the moment on a lot of CSD issues, and I'm going to push for milder edit summaries. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I didn't understand what context you were speaking in. I apologize I came off rude. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 02:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Not a problem at all, I understand what you were saying now. Keep up the good work, and I will try to get "blatant" and similar bitey words taken out of the default edit summaries. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it is slightly comical how no one will answer my question about this article , please look at it and tell me how it differs from the one I wrote, and please tell me where the sources are listed, oh can you also tell me why it is still on wiki if it is promoting ABTA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemmadidonato (talkcontribs) 02:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Google search on "American_Brain_Tumor_Association" gives immediate references from,,, etc. Which reliable sources have been writing about your organization? Do you have links? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah see now you are changing your story, ABTA never included any sources in their article, but now you are saying that is OK as long as you can google some? Maybe ACA's links don't show up on google, I know for a fact Arachnoid Cyst Friends has written a lot about ACA, but they are a private website which would never get picked up by google. Also Arachnoid Activist has written about ACA, but they also require membership in order to get onto the board, so that would prevent google from getting the links. But blogs such as Article Heaven and The Ida Express have mentioned Arachnoid Cyst Awareness and how it is the only organization out there for Arachnoid cyst patients. You can see a link to ACA on the Brain and Spine Foundation here: The whole point it letting the world know more about this wonderful organization is so more arachnoid cyst patients know they are not alone in their fight against one of the rarest brain tumors out there. I know maybe personally for you you may never understand, but seriously no one is out to harm wiki, I just felt it appropriate that ACA had an article just like any other NOTABLE organization out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemmadidonato (talkcontribs) 02:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The link to Brain and Spine isn't sufficient to establish what we call notability; a single link in a long list doesn't establish that people are writing about your organization. Most blogs are not considered reliable sources for most purposes. Sorry. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but I just google "arachnoid cyst awareness" and there were many links showing from Arachnoid Activist. If you want to be picky, then fine, be picky about what you think is a proper website and what isn't, the point is most people with arachnoid cysts know of ACA and talk about, but how many people have arachoid cysts compared to everyone out there with a "brain tumor". ABTA has more links because it is about a generalized BROAD subject--ALL BRAIN TUMORS. If you narrow it down to 1 rare type, arachnoid cysts, of course Harvard won't be writing a link to ACA. If you only knew anything about ACs, you would understand. IT IS AN ORPHAN DISORDER. How many times? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemmadidonato (talkcontribs) 02:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The point ... and this offends a lot of people, you aren't the only one ... is that a decision was made early on that Wikipedia was going to attempt only to report on what the world says, not try to make the world a better place. If Harvard and UNC and NIH and anywhere else that qualifies as a reliable source isn't writing about your organization, then write them and tell them about your organization. When they write about you, then we can too. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL, You think we haven't? Arachnoid Cysts don't even register on some people's radars. For what it is worth take a look at ACA and read about how people are suffering and doctors, neurologists, neurosurgeons because they never heard of this type of tumor, don't care. Maybe orphan disorder isn't a good enough term, rarest of the rare would be more fitting. Maybe Wikipedia should try to make the world more aware of these orphan disorders at the same time remaining encyclopedic. What is the harm in adding new diseases? And for what it is worth, your arachnoid cyst article was written by some girl Catherine years ago, most of the text in there isn't even true. But wiki printed it anyway, how is that encyclopedic and what the world says? You let some random person write opinion and not fact, at least I was trying to rectify that in some small way.--Gemmadidonato (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Gemmadidonato, I left you a message on your talk page explaining to you that your argument of "This article exists, so why can't mine" will not fly. And calling other editors "looney toon" and "crazed" is considered both uncivil and a personal attack. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 03:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
There are many thousands of support groups for diseases, but Wikipedia is not a directory, nor is it a tool for 'raising awareness' of diseases or support groups. Until there is significant coverage of your organization in reliable sources, we cannot include it here as it does not satisfy our notability guidelines. The disorder, however, is of course an encyclopedic topic, and I encourage you to work on Arachnoid cyst if you can improve the article with verifiable content cited to reliable sources. I would be happy to help, although I may not have access to many sources. Maralia (talk) 03:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Head → Desk

I just wanted to let you know that this was in no way intentional. Good job catching it :)Jake Wartenberg 23:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

On WP:BN, the "report" button to the right of the candidates tells whether anyone has double-counted ... they need that because people do it by accident so often, so you're in good company. Happy voting. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look... this MfD. Also check my deletion log; the page was deleted three times under three different names. I am soliciting the opinion of others as well. Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  15:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Case closed.  Frank  |  talk  16:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I saw the messages ... very nice work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


It's perfectly acceptable to block the account yourself, especially if it's a blatant violation of WP:SPAMNAME. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

In that case ... fear my mop of death. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)